Monday, October 19, 2009

Examining the "4 & 2"

A whole bunch of feedback in the previous postings. Lots of give and take and more than a little unhappiness, although if others are to be believed, at least one person has posted 20 or 30 comments in an effort to make his argument look more convincing.

The upshot is it looks like the Department is going to a 4 & 2 schedule. Not only does this eliminate the 6th work day, it eliminates the 5th. It also eliminates the 3-day weekend but that seems a small price to pay for the advantages.

Here's a side-by-side comparison someone threw together for us. First up, the regular "6 on 2 off" that may soon be ending:

Just based on this 15 week model, you work 75 out of 105 days, meaning 30 days off.

Now, the same comparison but with a "4 on 2 off" variation:

The same 15 week model, but you only work 69 days out of 105, meaning 36 days off over the same period. Based on this particular day off group, you get an extra Sunday, Thursday, two Fridays and two Saturdays. That's a whole bunch more weekend family events that we couldn't attend suddenly being available. Those complaining about having to burn some hours to get a 3-day-weekend seems shortsighted at first glance. You have 6 extra opportunities to get Special Employment if that's up your alley. If you're on days, that 6 extra chances to get some court time you would have otherwise been doing for free. Holidays are only spread among 6 day off groups instead of 7 and are worth 13.5 hours now.

Does it have flaws? Sure. We have questions about how this "furlough hours" thing works, especially for working day furloughs. The start times seem to have some questionable overlaps that might lead to equipment shortages. The Captains' and Lieutenants' reactions are going to be interesting.

But let's face facts - the City was never going to give us 10-hour days if we were getting 50 or 60 extra days off a year. That would have made too many people happy. And the City will never willingly make us happy. This seems to be making just enough people irritated that Shortshanks is going to be the only one happy.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

It also eliminates the 3-day weekend but that seems a small price to pay for the advantages.

The three day weekend was nice! easy to toss a day on the front, and/or back to get a long weekend to go somewhere!

10/19/2009 12:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I can't even believe some of these dummies could possibly knock this schedule. How could you look at the 4-2 and not love it. Or at least not take it in a heartbeat over the 6-2 bullshit we have now. Those two lousy extra days off we get when are weekends come around every month and a half just don't even come close to making up for the agony of working this job 6 straight days. 6 straight is just too much. By the 5th and 6th i'm so irritated that i feel like i snap so much faster and am a bear to be around (at work and home). I can not wait to start this new schedule.
Nothing is ever perfect and of course you'll never satisfy 13000 people, but this has to be as close as possible. Just about everyone i talk to is pumped for the new change and say its been way overdue.

10/19/2009 12:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And how.

10/19/2009 12:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OT
I see that j-fed is pushing his power test to the troops. Why then has there only been 4 exempts out of 72 that have taken and passed the power test. (DJ-009, LS-GEU, JG mass trans) and ruthie (the commander of the academy no less) who would fail their boss.
ps...all 4 are carbine operators too

10/19/2009 12:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

But let's face facts - the City was never going to give us 10-hour days if we were getting 50 or 60 extra days off a year. That would have made too many people happy.




makes me happy that 10 hrs is not an option. 10 hrs is only good for 20+ yr on old timers that can get days. Sux for everyone else.

10/19/2009 12:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This will be good. More family time as you pointed out. 2 less consecutive days of exposure to savagery in this city.

These points alone make it a winner.

The 10 hour schedule isn't conducive to family life schedules or Officer sanity. Worked it, thought hour 9 of baby-mama and event # bullshit would make my fucking head explode. It sucked worse then the 6th day.

10/19/2009 12:40:00 AM  
Blogger Catherina said...

I hate to crash your site, but the Chicago Tea Party would like to thank the members of the Chicago Police Department for their curtosity and professionalism.

We hosted two events, Friday, CHICAGO: Operation Can You Hear Us Now, is when we went to the street side windows and of ABC news studios and CBS news studio windows and SCREAMED how the Silent Majority is silent no more!

It was such an absolute success for the Tea Party and one of the most frustrating news casts in quite a while, I was told, by a friend who works at ABC.

Mike Flannery came out and tried saying that because he was a local reporter, there was little he could talk about with national issues... I pointed to him the building across the city - Chicago's City Hall -- the building responsible for bankrupting America... I reminded him how Barack Obama, Michelle Obama, Valerie Jarrett, Arnie Duncan, Rahm Emanuel, plus a host of many, many others come from there and are now in the White House... He stared...

The police escorted us and was there in case any of the Obama haters descended; but when they aren't getting something for free or they aren't on the clock from the county building, they don't come.

Then Saturday, we had veterans, moms, students, suburbanites, city residents, blacks, whites, browns, gather in Millennium Park and celebrate the one thing all us different people share in common --A DEEP ADN UNDYING LOVE FOR THIS GREAT COUNTRY.

We spoke about our freedoms and how grateful we are to live in the greatest country.

We remembered those who died and prayed for those who were facing enemy combatants.

And for the 2 1/2 hour event we had Saturday, we were able to enjoy the company of many Chicago Police Officers.

You guys are awesome!

Thanks so much for all.

God Bless America,

Catherina Wojtowicz
The Chicago Tea Party,
www.ChicagoTeaPatriots.com

10/19/2009 12:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about this SCC? I am not gonna complain about this. Do you know why? Because I am happy to have a job that I like (not love) with a good salary (not great) in a terrible economy. There are many people wishing they were in my spot. 6 and 2, 4 and 2...it's all a crap shoot to me.

10/19/2009 01:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

what about working midnights? Have to choose between sleep or trying to enjoy utilize a day off. That is a raw deal for 1st watch on the 2 days off! Not right at all!

10/19/2009 01:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This means I wont have to listen to the crybaby broads that work the desk in 001 on 3rd watch as much. Great! They are so scared about losing their spots on the desk and having to work the streets in the scary first ditrict its pathetic. Even the 3 year wonders that they put on the desk are terrified to work the street. Fuckin pathetic.

10/19/2009 01:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SCC, any truth into us having to burn a half-hour of comp time to use personal and baby furlo days????

10/19/2009 01:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

4-2 is the way to go. 10 hour days are nice for the time off but it's a long ass day at work. Out of the options 4-2 is by far the best one. But i would've taken anything at all that got rid of the 6 straight. No matter how many days off after or how often my weekends rolled around, working 6 straight days absolutely sucks!

10/19/2009 01:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can we please thank the FOP for all the work they put into getting us this schedule change! Almost the whole department wanted to get rid of the 6th day and they actually found a way to do it.
From the bottom of my heart and my families i thank you FOP.

10/19/2009 01:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This new schedule rocks!
4-2 4-2 4-2 4-2!!!!!!

10/19/2009 01:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've never been so happy to start a new year in my life. This is going to change my whole outlook on going to work. Once i'm there that first day, no matter how bad things are i've only got 3 days left. How can you possibly beat that? There's not even a schedule in the corporate world that beats that schedule. This is some good stuff.

10/19/2009 01:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

all who work it love it. I'm all for it. I worked sat, sun and now have 4 more days to enjoy! (crap) for a 3 day wk-end? If I want one I'll take time.
104 hrs on the books workin no holidays!
v-days
bfd
p-days
who cares if u got to add a 1/2 hr here an there, it's half an hr. Plus 16 days off more we don't have to deal with the police circus!
4 dAYS off is 8!!!
take a day and your only workin 3 more?
Even working a restaurant these would be good hours, with a little overlap to talk to your next in line about what the hell was goin on! Did that for 15 yrs before this job.

10/19/2009 02:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm happy!

10/19/2009 02:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

so if 9 hours is the "standard tour," does a bfd day still equal 8 hours and do working-day furloughs still get converted?

how about those on the 10 hour day, do those working day furloughs still get converted to 8 hours?

10/19/2009 04:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is a better schdule. I'd have liked the 10 hour more, but i'll take what i can get.

10/19/2009 04:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I HATE CHANGE!!!!

10/19/2009 05:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

10 hour days will not work for 3 watches plus you work with only one partner, no relief partner. I hope they continue the shift for all rapids on 2nd and 3rd watch. They should have these cars manned 10-4 for each watch to help with schools and RAP issues, start times should be 0600-1600 and 1400 - 0001. The furlough with the new schedule will be a couple of days shorter, which is the same if you work straight days (unless you burn time) because it harder to link up the RDO's. But in the end its works because you are not emotionally and physically drained, overall you will use less time on a monthly basis because of this fact. My only concern with the schedule is the start times and the lack of viable equipment. The city should eat the extra 1.5 hour and keep the start times unchanged, this will make for happy humans and the city will be paid back in less medical, IOD, domestic issues, general beefs, insubordination, etc....

10/19/2009 06:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There should be no overlap with time.there should not be 8 1/2 hour shifts like I'm hearing.nor should furloughs be recorded by hours instead if days.
The Department of Corrections has been using the system forever and they dont do it this way.
I'm not a fan of this system but if we're going to use it there is no reason that it should be made complicated.
WORK A LITTLE HARDER ON GETTING THIS DONE "FLOP" AND SPEND LESS TIME ON ORGANIZING PARTIES.WTF!
BETTER YET, THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE YOU WORK FOR (THAT WOULD BE US P.O.s AND NOT THE MAYOR) WOULD PREFER THE TEN HOUR WORK SCHEDULE,WHY DONT YOU MAKE THAT A REALITY AND STOP SUCKING THE MIDGETS ASS!

10/19/2009 06:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

been on 4/2 in 018 since january. Best thing that ever happened schedule wise on this job in my 19 years!! You want a three day weekend? then take a day. If you do, then you only have a three day work week!! hows that compared to working 6 days to get a three day weekend? duh!

10/19/2009 06:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What position will the city take on "Duty" checks?

10/19/2009 06:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The furlough day thing is simply the city's attempt to nickel and dime the members into giving back something for the extra days off. These are now points to win back in future contracts.

Straight day furloughs are still straight day furloughs. (less than 10 years) Working day furloughs are hours like when you work a holiday, now you get 8.5 hours CU and 4.25 extra pay or extra comp time.

And BFD is another thing to win back in a future contract.

10/19/2009 07:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As I sip my morning tea and enjoy a smoke I decided that I wanted to tell Daley and his flunkies to "Go Fuck Yourselves ".

10/19/2009 07:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

well as I currently type this I am halfway through my first day back and only have 3 more this week. As far as Im concerned its 500x better than the shit we used to have. There are those that will continue to bitch no matter what they get. I bet by february 90% of coppers will love this schedule. Took me about 2wks to get used to it

10/19/2009 07:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Appreciate the comparison. I like the new schedule. Just my opinion, but I will be glad to see that 6th day go. But you can't please 'em all and people will bitch no matter what. It's gonna take a while to work the bugs out, but that's true of any changes. Remember when we all bitched about going to automated arrest too? We don't like change, but we adapt.

10/19/2009 07:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Like SCC states it is a good plan,anything that eliminates the 6th day is a great idea! Looks like mass transit and the airports will be doing this also,thanks to commander JG and TA at least they see the value is a happier work force!

10/19/2009 07:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

More time with the family!.. Amen!

10/19/2009 07:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The ones making the biggest stink about it where I work have 27 plus years on the job.....RETIRE if you don't like it!

10/19/2009 07:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I will take the 4 & 2 over 10 hrs days anytime, anyplace, anywhere. I cand stand being at work as it is. I might start playing Russian Roulette with a 10hr day. The goal of this job is to get in and get out asap. I don't need to be at work any longer than I have to.

Those who are saying they love the 10hr day came from units (housing). Those guys never put a 10hr day in their career. I'd love the 10hr day to if I only had to be at work for 8hrs.

10/19/2009 07:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Holidays = 12.75 Hours

10/19/2009 08:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can we please thank the FOP for all the work they put into getting us this schedule change! Almost the whole department wanted to get rid of the 6th day and they actually found a way to do it.
From the bottom of my heart and my families i thank you FOP.

PLLLLLLLLLLLLEASE! What the hell took so long? Thats there damn job. How about kicking some city hall ass and getting our contrct? What eve happened to ...

we will come by once a month to roll call.

We will have the contract settled in 6 months or less?

A bullshit becasue they are all bought and paid for by shortshanks!

You want a thank you...sorry.

All I can say is....its about fuckin time!

10/19/2009 08:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What about the Airport, We defend Chicago from the inevitable Terrorist Attack, and we get nothing in return?

10/18/2009 06:25:00 PM

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10/19/2009 08:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A FRIEND WHO WORKS IN 018 SAYS YOU ALWAYS FEEL RESTED. THAT WILL BE A NICE FEELING

10/19/2009 08:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OT: Congrats to the great work by the "hardcharger" in 16 who wrote the Pastor of St. Paul of Cross a mover for rolling through a stop sign after visiting his sick father at Ressurection Hospital. Fr. Carl has presided over many CPD/CFD family funerals and weddings through the years and has always been willing to lend a hand to any Department member in need. Keep up the good work A-hole!

10/19/2009 09:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

what about working midnights? Have to choose between sleep or trying to enjoy utilize a day off. That is a raw deal for 1st watch on the 2 days off! Not right at all!

10/19/2009 01:10:00 AM

Bid to another watch if you have the time otherwise deal with it until you get the time. Hey a lot of people had to deal with mids before they can get off of them, I was one for 4 years. I am not trying to talk down to you all I am saying is it all gets better with time on the job.

10/19/2009 09:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Instead of overlapping shifts, there should be face to face relief. The different watches would be able to share information about their beat. There would also be no need for the extra equipment to facilitate the overlapping watches. These are some of the changes that would make the 4-2 shift more workable.

10/19/2009 09:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bid to 008, 6 and three kicks box!

10/19/2009 09:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Love it. Just love it. THX, FOP

10/19/2009 09:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I willing to try anything new that helps get rid of the 6 day work week!

So what you have to use time due every now and then to get a 3 day weekend!

Overall, more days off in the year! I'll take it!

10/19/2009 09:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As I sip my morning tea and enjoy a smoke I decided that I wanted to tell Daley and his flunkies to "Go Fuck Yourselves ".

I am finishing up my last cup of coffee and a smoke, before heading out of the city, on my day off, and would also like to convey the above message to Daley and his flunkies...

10/19/2009 09:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've always said that if CRs were charted, a majority happens on the 6th day. 6 days straight is too long for this job and 4/2 has its shortcomings, but it's better than staying with a system that we know causes stress and burnout.

The only thing I'm worried about is what the city is getting out of this; what will they ask for in exchange/how does this benefit them.

10/19/2009 09:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

all who work it love it. I'm all for it. I worked sat, sun and now have 4 more days to enjoy! (crap) for a 3 day wk-end? If I want one I'll take time.
104 hrs on the books workin no holidays!
v-days
bfd
p-days
who cares if u got to add a 1/2 hr here an there, it's half an hr. Plus 16 days off more we don't have to deal with the police circus!
4 dAYS off is 8!!!
take a day and your only workin 3 more?
Even working a restaurant these would be good hours, with a little overlap to talk to your next in line about what the hell was goin on! Did that for 15 yrs before this job.

10/19/2009 02:03:00 AM

Its the no understanding people like this poster above that just does not get it! You want a full weekend off, BURN A SLIP...3 day weekend...BURN A SLIP!!!! Why the hell should we have to burn any slips when the 6 and 3 gave us weekends every 2-3 weeks?????????? Yes the 6 and 2 sucks but the 6th day in the 6/3 is alot easier to handle knowing you always had three in a row off and if you wanted or needed a 4day weekend you could drop a slip if you really needed too. Not everyone has un-godly amounts of time on the books nor are everyone allowed to get time added to make your 3day weekend. You need to wake up pal because no one I talked to is pumped up about the 4 and 2....NO ONE! And yes, I cherish my fri-sat-sun's, sat-sun-mon's. Yeah, a great schedule....burns all my p-days,v-days and comp time so i can be priveledged to have a 3day weekend......you sir are a dummy.

10/19/2009 09:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Choose your battles said...

"I hope they continue the shift for all rapids on 2nd and 3rd watch. They should have these cars manned 10-4 for each watch to help with schools and RAP issues, start times should be 0600-1600 and 1400 - 0001."

Won't fly in 018. They need to stay till 0200.

10/19/2009 09:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I work the 6-3 in 008 and I love it, yes the 6 days are rough, but having 3 days to recover from it is outstanding.....yes we have to burn .5 hours on BFD, but NOT personals, at least with the 6-3 schedule. I would have no problen with the 4-2 either, people seem to like it, ANYTHING is better then the 6-2.
Really, I read these posts, if we got a 2 on, 5 off schedule, somebody would find error in it. Like a poster said above, we have a GOOD job, in a SHIT economy, its a good steady paycheck, with a pension. We all work with good people, there hasn't been a day where I haven't laughed my ass off at work.
If you don't like this job, or what it has to offer, then quit, people do it a lot, and I respect them for doing so because at least they have the common sense to get out of a job they don't like, or think they do well.
This isn't the Marines, you didn't sign a contract, they don't own you. Does this job has it faults? OF COURSE YES, but name me a job that doesn't?

10/19/2009 09:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

THE 10 HR. IS BEST SAYS:

Sure its rougher for the last couple hours, but to have the extra days off away from this place is a blessing to P.O's and their families. . Plus, less gas to burn, less trips to and from work a year, great for the FAMILY, A SMALL SACRAFICE ON WORKING DAYS TO SEE FRIENDS AND FAMILY MORE OFTEN, YOU GET IT, I'M SURE...

MUCH BETTER FOR The ENVIRONMENT AND CLEAN AIR, + ENERGY CONSUMPTION, which Daley and the DemocRATS constantly preach, except if it's not in THEIR best interests. Imagine how much less gasoline consumed if the whole department was on this Schedule, about 40+ less trips to, and 40+ less trips from work, per officer. Less pollution, less gasoline consumption, less traffic jams, constantly jammed expressways, resulting in even more polution and wasted gasoline, you smart cops of the CPD get my point. The Hypocritical DemocRATS preach all this b.s. to us constantly, but now they have a chance to do something about it, and if it's not to THEIR [Daley Crime Cabal's] advantage, they won't do it. It's DemocRAT Selective Bullshit, 101 people. THEY, are SO, fuckin stupid, this could be spun into a voluntary Environmentally friendly Eelective shift for City Employees to pick, and would be a great sell to the GREENIE Environmental Libs. out there, but they [Daley&Co.] are too LAZY and STUPID to even spin this into some easily good publicity for the City. This is because he has only Dumb-Assed Political Hacks working as his underlings, not intelligent people.
VOTE OUT ALL DEMOCRAT HYPOCRITE INCUMBANTS IN THE NEXT ELECTIONS, VOTE REPUBLICAN AND SAVE AMERICA FROM DEMO-COMMUNISM. and WATCH OUT FOR ILLEGAL AND DRUNK DRIVERS ALL OVER CHICAGO, THANKS TO NO-LYMPICS AND SANCTUARY TO CRIMINALS DALEY.

10/19/2009 10:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about this SCC? I am not gonna complain about this. Do you know why? Because I am happy to have a job that I like (not love) with a good salary (not great) in a terrible economy. There are many people wishing they were in my spot. 6 and 2, 4 and 2...it's all a crap shoot to me.

10/19/2009 01:00:00 AM
nice try you should sign it not a cop

10/19/2009 10:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm trying to find out more info on the pilot program of the 4 and 2 start times etc. I was on the F.O.P.'s website and I couldn't seem to find it. Does anyone know where I could find the original 4 and 2 pilot info?

10/19/2009 10:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your 6 - 2 graph doesn't make sense. It looks like 5 - 2 tp me?

10/19/2009 10:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There will always be give and take in any job. For those of you who are crying about losing your 3 day weekends I ask this question: Were they worth the wait? Sure having 3 days off without burning any time is nice, but having to wait 5 weeks to do it didn't really make it worth all the hype.

Our work week will now go from 6 days in a row to 4. Not only do we get rid of the 6th working day, we lose the 5th one too. Work 4 days, off 2 days. Technically we will be working a 5 day week BUT they will be broken up with our 2 RDO's.

I do have questions on the furlo issue. I have 25 working days now that will be converted to 200 hours next year. So since that equals each day being worth 8 hours, will I have to throw in slips for 30mins for each day I take?

Even if I do, I usually split my furlos so I will only have to deal with that only twice a year. So if that is what I have to give to take less time working during the week, I'll take it.

10/19/2009 10:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've been reading these posts about this new schedule and no one seems to post what happens when you take just one day off in any week......3 day work week!

10/19/2009 10:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

what about working midnights? Have to choose between sleep or trying to enjoy utilize a day off. That is a raw deal for 1st watch on the 2 days off! Not right at all!

10/19/2009 01:10:00 AM


HUH? How are you handling it now working 6 on and 2 off?

10/19/2009 10:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

BETTER YET, THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE YOU WORK FOR (THAT WOULD BE US P.O.s AND NOT THE MAYOR) WOULD PREFER THE TEN HOUR WORK SCHEDULE,WHY DONT YOU MAKE THAT A REALITY AND STOP SUCKING THE MIDGETS ASS!

10/19/2009 06:27:00 AM


Then I guess I'm in the minority. I have spoke with officers that work your coveted 10 hour day. By that last day they are so wound up that their first RDO is used just to de-compress.

10/19/2009 11:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

10/19/2009 07:37:00 AM
Those who are saying they love the 10hr day came from units (housing). Those guys never put a 10hr day in their career. I'd love the 10hr day to if I only had to be at work for 8hrs.

Listen up fly boy, I came from the 008th district who had the 10 hours on the 3rd watch for a year. We worked all 10 hours and it was the best schedule I ever worked. The 4 day weekends came around every 3 weeks. I added a day on my 3 days off and had 4, 4 day weekends in a roll. I only burned 5 comp days all year with the 10 hour days. See how many comp days you will need to burn to get the weekends off with the 4 and 2 schedule. 10 hours should have been the way to go, or at least have one watch work the 10 hours for the guys that like it. It worked great in 008, your already here at work what's an extra 2hrs for 52 more days off a year, the mostly come during your weekends when you need to be off. SCC said it right, the city dosn't want to make us all happy.

10/19/2009 11:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What position will the city take on "Duty" checks?

10/19/2009 06:59:00 AM


Well if the city didn't take the Duty checks when we went to straight watches why would they now?

10/19/2009 11:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A spouse here...you can always tell when the 6th day has arrived. My PO is dead tired and distracted come that 6th day.

Hell - people are tired by day #5 of the work week in a civilian M-F 9-5 job.....and most of you work harder and longer than that....

We're looking forward to the 4&2.

10/19/2009 11:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Can we please thank the FOP for all the work they put into getting us this schedule change! Almost the whole department wanted to get rid of the 6th day and they actually found a way to do it.
From the bottom of my heart and my families i thank you FOP.

10/19/2009 01:24:00 AM

How about the FOP try to get the "intoxicated " shit out of our general orders in the next contract. Why can the President of the United States get drunk and everyone else except us Chicago Police Officers get drunk as long as we are not behind the wheel. Fuck FOP! This is something that needs to be addressed right away. This is a violation of our civil right.

10/19/2009 11:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SCC, any truth into us having to burn a half-hour of comp time to use personal and baby furlo days????

1/2 hour added to BFD's. You do not have to add the 1/2 hour to PDays. With working day furloughs, VDays are converted to hours.

10/19/2009 11:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Like SCC states it is a good plan,anything that eliminates the 6th day is a great idea! Looks like mass transit and the airports will be doing this also,thanks to commander JG and TA at least they see the value is a happier work force!

10/19/2009 07:18:00 AM

I agree,haerd the airports and mass transit also, good luck to both men and women you will love this schedule like we do in 018

10/19/2009 11:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SCC, THANK YOU for being the voice of reason! From a person who has been on the current 6/2 since I came on this job 23 yrs ago, I will gladly welcome ANY change!!

You pointed out what others still fail to realize. From an operational standpoint, the city would not agree to any of the other schedules. Not sure the 4/2 would've been my first choice, but it sure beats the hell out of 6/2. if this wasn't agreed to, we'd be stuck doing the 6/2 till who knows when. I'll gladly give up the 3 day weekend to get rid of day 6...AND day 5!

10/19/2009 11:55:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

END PARITY WITH THE CFD FIRE DEPT. WE HAVE A FAR MORE DANGEROUS JOB THEN THEY DO, AND IT'S TIME TO BE COMPENSATED WITH MORE MONEY AND BENEFITS THAN THE CFD GETS. JUST WATCH THE CHICAGO NEWS. IT'S OBVIOUS WE HAVE A FAR MORE DANGEROUS JOB. FURTHER, FUCK THIS CITY.

10/19/2009 11:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This schedule will make you burn more time, true. But I think that will be good for some of you guys that hoard your time. I find it is the officers that hoard their hours that are the most bitter/unhappy of all. USE your time. Get away. Enjoy your life. So you retire with an extra year salary. Who cares. You just spent 25 years missing out on YOUR LIFE.

10/19/2009 11:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A few years ago I worked the 10 hour day schedule when it was a pilot program. I loved it- the extra 2 hrs on the end were tough. But I think that this 4-2 will be great too. And if we need to give up a little to get a little so be it. Right now I am on day 4- so instead of having another two days to go- this would be my friday? SOLD!

For those who don't like it- deal with with it!

10/19/2009 11:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Stop your bitching about the new work week, cartoon.

10/19/2009 12:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
what about working midnights? Have to choose between sleep or trying to enjoy utilize a day off. That is a raw deal for 1st watch on the 2 days off! Not right at all!

10/19/2009 01:10:00 AM
Please explain

10/19/2009 12:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Glad you guys are getting the option of living a healthier, more balanced life. Six days must have been grueling.

---not a cop

10/19/2009 12:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can we please thank the FOP for all the work they put into getting us this schedule change! Almost the whole department wanted to get rid of the 6th day and they actually found a way to do it.
From the bottom of my heart and my families i thank you FOP.

Hate to burst your bubble, fop wanted the 6-3, Jody wanted the 4-2. Flop sucks.

10/19/2009 12:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've worked the 6-3 in 013 for the past year and the schedule of work days to days off is great. The problem is the start times, particulary the early start. For example, 1st watch early cars, which usually started at 2300, now start at 2100hrs and late cars start at 2230hrs. If your working the early car it's hard to get into a routine with juggling court, family, side jobs and well needed sleep. A 2230 early start and 0000 late start would be a better solution.

10/19/2009 12:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I love 4-2

10/19/2009 12:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We should not agree to anything including watch modification until we have a signed contract. All the side agreements we are making are setting a dangerous precedent that we are going end up regretting.

They have already began to divide us, now they will conquer us. We gave back the ability to sell all of our time when we retire for nothing (not enough people for the 55 and out thing to work).

This will end up being the longest time we have gone without a contract for the last 20 years. It will end being more then three years before it is resolved. Fuck them, we should not be giving them anything, don't dillude yourselves into thinking they are doing something for us because the are not.

10/19/2009 12:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You people never learn do you??
The City, the cpd will not give you anything that will be to your advantage......eventually the shoe will drop and the shit will hit the fan. Once you firgue out the City upside to this, it will be back to the flack jackets, steel pots.

10/19/2009 01:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

a lot of guys were bitching about losing the three day weekends but you can always burn a day once in awhile.... after talking to a few people i know who work the 4-2 they related that they started to feel better when they started working the shift--- less burn out, not as moody, less battles with the significant others, more time to connect with the kids, and 16 less days a year to put on the superman costume----

10/19/2009 01:09:00 PM  
Anonymous 765B/ 011 said...

Those who are saying they love the 10hr day came from units (housing). Those guys never put a 10hr day in their career. I'd love the 10hr day to if I only had to be at work for 8hrs.

10/19/2009 07:37:00 AM

You got that right, but I did work 9 hours one time and wow did that suck.

10/19/2009 01:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

id do 2 twenty hours days and have 5 off if i could :-)

10/19/2009 01:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Okay, I will admit I am not a fan of the 4/2 schedule. I would have preferred the 6/3 as you get even more days off and have basically a three day break every week. That being said, it appears the 4/2 are here.

Now why cant they just give us our vacation days, BFD and Personal and make them all equal a working day. Why is it that depending where u work a day is worth more or less... just even the playing field. The sgt's bfds are worth a tour.... are they more worthy than us?

10/19/2009 01:54:00 PM  
Anonymous uuuuuuwrong said...

makes me happy that 10 hrs is not an option. 10 hrs is only good for 20+ yr on old timers that can get days. Sux for everyone else.
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WRONG!! I work 3rd watch and the days off make it all worth it.

10/19/2009 02:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Mark said...

WORK A LITTLE HARDER ON GETTING THIS DONE "FLOP" AND SPEND LESS TIME ON ORGANIZING PARTIES.WTF!
BETTER YET, THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE YOU WORK FOR (THAT WOULD BE US P.O.s AND NOT THE MAYOR) WOULD PREFER THE TEN HOUR WORK SCHEDULE,WHY DONT YOU MAKE THAT A REALITY AND STOP SUCKING THE MIDGETS ASS!
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Wow! Amazingly stupid,clueless,pathetic,ungrateful,misinformed,I want everything my way crybaby.

10/19/2009 02:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"his means I wont have to listen to the crybaby broads that work the desk in 001 on 3rd watch as much. Great! They are so scared about losing their spots on the desk and having to work the streets in the scary first ditrict its pathetic. Even the 3 year wonders that they put on the desk are terrified to work the street. Fuckin pathetic."

Again you are showing your jealousy. I'm sure if anyone was afraid to work street, they didn't confide that in you. Secondly, since I am one of the crybaby broads that work the desk on 3rd watch, we are delighted about the 4 and 2, so before you post your crap, maybe you should "interview" us. Also, please stop coming by and talking to us as if you are our friend, hypocrite.

10/19/2009 02:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

An idea that was floated before, instead that might make this easier to swollow is instead of the usual United States/Christian holiday schedule, let us pick thirteen PERSONAL HOLIDAYS when we pick our furloughs.

If you want Easter Sunday off, OK, but if you want Passover instead that's OK too. You want Dr. King day off because your kids will be off from school, but not Pulaski Day because they are not that’s OK. You don’t care about Lincoln’s Birthday but want the wife's or kid's birthday or a graduation day off you can get it for sure this way. Too may people want Christmas off, OK, then seniority rule applies and if you don't get the day off; it's time and a half.

The city right now will not do anything like this to make the workforce happier.

10/19/2009 02:44:00 PM  
Blogger Doink the Clown said...

You just made yourself a powerful enemy SCC. Don't be surprised if one night a bunch of circus midgets show up at your door and pink belly you to death.

10/19/2009 02:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"his means I wont have to listen to the crybaby broads that work the desk in 001 on 3rd watch as much. Great! They are so scared about losing their spots on the desk and having to work the streets in the scary first ditrict its pathetic. Even the 3 year wonders that they put on the desk are terrified to work the street. Fuckin pathetic."

Again you are showing your jealousy. I'm sure if anyone was afraid to work street, they didn't confide that in you. Secondly, since I am one of the crybaby broads that work the desk on 3rd watch, we are delighted about the 4 and 2, so before you post your crap, maybe you should "interview" us. Also, please stop coming by and talking to us as if you are our friend, hypocrite.

10/19/2009 02:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This means I wont have to listen to the crybaby broads that work the desk in 001 on 3rd watch as much. Great!

Who is making you listen to them? Unless you are working desk duty, your dumb ass doesn't belong inside using the computer for your personal shit.

10/19/2009 02:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

the 3 day weekend came up every 6 weeks. i'll take a 4 day work week anyday

10/19/2009 03:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
How about this SCC? I am not gonna complain about this. Do you know why? Because I am happy to have a job that I like (not love) with a good salary (not great) in a terrible economy. There are many people wishing they were in my spot. 6 and 2, 4 and 2...it's all a crap shoot to me.

10/19/2009 01:00:00 AM

I am with you brother. I am happy that I have this great job, with awesome benefits and awesome co-workers. Too many cops are negative and always look at the dark side.

10/19/2009 03:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SCC--Explain how what the hours worked would be i know in 18 they are using the following shifts---2nd watch early cars 0530-1430 2nd watch late cars 0700-1600 etc.. etc..I would think from a management position it would be better to have early cars from 0700-1600 and late cars from 0800-1700---this way when the schools get out there will be more police on the street to watch them--and from a po's perspective--more backup! What say you????

10/19/2009 03:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

BETTER YET, THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE YOU WORK FOR (THAT WOULD BE US P.O.s AND NOT THE MAYOR) WOULD PREFER THE TEN HOUR WORK SCHEDULE...

10/19/2009 06:27:00 AM


What majority have YOU been talking to?? You and your circle don't make up a "majority" of thousands of PO's.

10/19/2009 03:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You burn 1/2hr for a baby furlough day. No extra time for a personal. Your v-days will be broken down into hrs and you may have to put a slip in for the last couple hrs of your last v-day to cover the discrepancy. Its not good, but its way better than the old 6/2. There were the nay-sayers when this first came down the pike. You can't please everyone but I would never want to go back to 6/2. The week runs by so fast there is no need for the 3 day weekend. Yea, they were nice but now you don't need them. Again this isn't perfect, but the majority of you will like this schedule.

10/19/2009 03:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

how about the rapids? a couple of weeks ago they said that at 011 the rapids will be 4th (or 5th?) watch and will be 10 hour day. anyone?

10/19/2009 03:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

IT's not fair !!! 4-2

How are all the "bosses" going to show contempt for you without continually screwing with your weekends and changing them each time they come up?

10/19/2009 04:11:00 PM  
Blogger Rich Rostrom said...

I can see why the "4+2" is preferable for several good reasons. But I have a question.
Under the 15-week "6+2" schedule, as noted in the post, each officer works 75 days out of each 105-day cycle.

Under the "4+2" schedule, each officer will work 4 days out of each 6-day cycle.

In 210 days, under "6+2" there would be 2 105-day cycles, for 150 work days, but under "4+2" there would be 35 6-day cycles, for 140 work days.

If so, then each officer works 10 fewer days - which would aggravate the existing manpower shortage by 10/150, or 6.7% - a significant whack.

Am I right? If so, what if anything is proposed to address this issue?

Just A Civilian (who does arithmetic)

10/19/2009 04:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

worked the 4/2 and the 6/3 schedule. the 4 is great because you have a short work week although sometimes the 2 days is not enough. but a 6 day work week is long and you get burnt out needing the 3 day. to each their own anything beats a 6/2 though.

10/19/2009 04:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry but your post is wrong. A Holiday is worth 12.75 either all time or 8.5 comp and 4.25 pay. Furlough isn't hard converting to time if you have a good timekeeper like 008 and 013 has People are happier in 008 and 013they are on th 6 and 3. I can only imagine that 4 and 2 is even better Remeber it's a 9 hour day 8.5 working and your unpaid lunch 12.75 hrs total for holiday split anyway you like.

10/19/2009 05:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To 7:37 You hit the nail on the head! I remember a guy in "housing" saying how much they "loved" the 10 hour day. Sure--in a unit like that you can do whatever, so OF COURSE THEY LOVED IT. In patrol 10 hours is something that will eventually wear your health and nerves down to zero. What is it? -----bullshit. Enough said..

10/19/2009 05:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your 6 - 2 graph doesn't make sense. It looks like 5 - 2 tp me?

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6 days in a row;

2 days off;

repeat.

It's the only way we saw a weekend every six weeks by rotating the days forward - Sun/Mon; Mon/Tues; etc. It's confusing to civilians who aren't used to it and dreary to cops who had to work it. It cuts years off your life and makes you miss a lot of family events. And they did do a study that showed more accidents and CR numbers were generated on the 6th day. Some old timers can tell you about it.

10/19/2009 05:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

FYI Pers day for PO's and Sgt's count as a day PO's must add .5 hrs to a BFD day Sgt's do not have to add the half hour. Union should have tried a bit harder on the BFD day. But it's still great

10/19/2009 05:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Fly on da Wall said...

how about the rapids? a couple of weeks ago they said that at 011 the rapids will be 4th (or 5th?) watch and will be 10 hour day. anyone?

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Rumor is that this eliminates the 10 hour rapids / 5th watch.

Rumor also is that once the 4-2 is in place, the 10 hour shifts will be eliminated by June and everyone currently on a 10 hour shift will be placed where manpower shortage in the district is hardest felt....midnights.

Beware.

10/19/2009 05:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

16 Years on and I HATE THE 6&2. I feel like a greyhound at the races waiting for my weekends. I can just picture it now...first day go to work, 2nd day still ok, 3rd day is hump day and the FOURTH day is my friday then I'm OFF 2 DAYS. I can handle that!!!! I don't know why people would hate to get off the 6&2.

10/19/2009 05:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

what about working midnights? Have to choose between sleep or trying to enjoy utilize a day off. That is a raw deal for 1st watch on the 2 days off! Not right at all!

10/19/2009 01:10:00 AM
dude were on midnites now and we still have to work the sixth day like you. but ill surely give up those two days to have the 4 and 2 schedule.

10/19/2009 05:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Most of us agree that the current 6-2 schedule is horrible. I never worked any of the pilot programs but wanted the 10 hr. days in the worst way. I'm willing to try the 4-2 and looking forward to it. I've gone on other department web sites and noticed a couple have multiple schedules you could chose from. Why couldn't FOP and the city have both schedules by placing 1/2 the department on 10 hr. days and the other on 9 hr. days. That way everyone would be happy. (At least for the most part.)

10/19/2009 05:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about this SCC? I am not gonna complain about this. Do you know why? Because I am happy to have a job that I like (not love) with a good salary (not great) in a terrible economy. There are many people wishing they were in my spot. 6 and 2, 4 and 2...it's all a crap shoot to me.

===================================

I applaud your attitude. I have a few family members and friends who have been laid off after years at the same jobs and they are bitching less then some of us with jobs. Putting life in perspective is always important and I am going to follow your lead and just be thankful I am supporting my family.

10/19/2009 05:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have 25 years on and I love this new schedule, I can't wait, my last few years will go by much easier now.


THANKS FOP!

10/19/2009 05:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How is it that a Captian gets promoted to Commander without going through the application process? Ask Commander Wedster how she pulled that off. By the way, why are they hiding her in R&D? Since when do they need a Commander in R&D? Arten't there enough useless Exemts at HQ now, which our tax dollars are paying for?

10/19/2009 06:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

nonymous said...
what about working midnights? Have to choose between sleep or trying to enjoy utilize a day off. That is a raw deal for 1st watch on the 2 days off! Not right at all!


What did you do on the 6-2 numbnuts? Call in sick for the 3rd day?

10/19/2009 06:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Doesn't matter I heard today that city might pull deal.

10/19/2009 06:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about the FOP try to get the "intoxicated " shit out of our general orders in the next contract. Why can the President of the United States get drunk and everyone else except us Chicago Police Officers get drunk as long as we are not behind the wheel. Fuck FOP! This is something that needs to be addressed right away. This is a violation of our civil right.

10/19/2009 11:28:00 AM

Earth to retard. Earth to retard. Come in, retard. You do not have a constitutional right to be drunk. That is all. If you think you do, hire Roddy. He needs the work.

10/19/2009 06:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OT: Congrats to the great work by the "hardcharger" in 16 who wrote the Pastor of St. Paul of Cross a mover for rolling through a stop sign after visiting his sick father at Ressurection Hospital. Fr. Carl has presided over many CPD/CFD family funerals and weddings through the years and has always been willing to lend a hand to any Department member in need. Keep up the good work A-hole!

10/19/2009 09:06:00 AM


Not defending the officers actions, but did the officer know he was a Pastor? Did the Pastor let the officer know? How fast did the Pastor roll through the Stop Sign? Anyone can hit someone crossing at a cross walk, now matter who they are. If the P.O. knew he was a Pastor and wrote him, shame on the P.O.

10/19/2009 06:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rich Rostrom said...
I can see why the "4+2" is preferable for several good reasons. But I have a question.
Under the 15-week "6+2" schedule, as noted in the post, each officer works 75 days out of each 105-day cycle.

Under the "4+2" schedule, each officer will work 4 days out of each 6-day cycle.

In 210 days, under "6+2" there would be 2 105-day cycles, for 150 work days, but under "4+2" there would be 35 6-day cycles, for 140 work days.

If so, then each officer works 10 fewer days - which would aggravate the existing manpower shortage by 10/150, or 6.7% - a significant whack.

Am I right? If so, what if anything is proposed to address this issue?

Just A Civilian (who does arithmetic)

10/19/2009 04:36:00 PM

All that arithmetic, and you failed to include the answer?!?!? The workday is increasing by .5 hours, Sherlock. Hence, manpower is not shorted by 6.7% Math without facts is some dangerous shit, Rich. Try to avoid making an ass of yourself in the future. Thank you.

10/19/2009 06:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The sad part is JPUD is trying to take all the credit for this. This guy really doesn't get it, nobody likes you no matter how hard you try!

10/19/2009 07:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've just about had it with this shit. I am headed for the 0 and 7 work week, no work and all days off.

6-2 or 4-2 or 6-3 or 10 hour, it is all just stirring the kettle with different spoons, it is still the police department, nothing will change that. Clout still rules. I am sick of the whole thing. The 4 and 2 comes too late for me to give a shit.

10/19/2009 07:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

END PARITY WITH THE CFD FIRE DEPT. WE HAVE A FAR MORE DANGEROUS JOB THEN THEY DO, AND IT'S TIME TO BE COMPENSATED WITH MORE MONEY AND BENEFITS THAN THE CFD GETS. JUST WATCH THE CHICAGO NEWS. IT'S OBVIOUS WE HAVE A FAR MORE DANGEROUS JOB. FURTHER, FUCK THIS CITY.

10/19/2009 11:56:00 AM

Amen, don't forget the higher education requirements for police too....

10/19/2009 08:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

10 HOUR DAYS ROCK!!!!!!

10/19/2009 08:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rumor is that this eliminates the 10 hour rapids / 5th watch.

Rumor also is that once the 4-2 is in place, the 10 hour shifts will be eliminated by June and everyone currently on a 10 hour shift will be placed where manpower shortage in the district is hardest felt....midnights.

Beware.

10/19/2009 05:24:00 PM

That's something a conspiracy theory idiot like yourself dreamed up, repeated to other idiots like yourself, and now you are repeating it like the guy that always has inside info from Jody's staff meetings. Bunch of buffoons.

10/19/2009 08:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Shit Hot Baby!!!!

I'll never fuckin' retire now! 63 or bust!

This schedule will make this job tolerable til I'm 63.

It's worth at least $800,000 to me.

More money for less shit, no brainer .

10/19/2009 08:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We started the 4-2 schedule in Area 5 about a month ago. I was a little apprehensive about the whole thing, but I now I LOVE IT. And so does everyone else in Area 5. Your days off come around so fast and although we lost the 3 day weekend most of you will love working this 4-2. For those of you griping about the 3 day weekend come on, we had to wait almost six weeks to get three days off. Boys and girls you are going to like this schedule...

10/19/2009 08:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

10/19/2009 01:10:00 AM


Deal with it. We have been there and done that.

10/19/2009 09:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Fly swatter said...

Rumor also is that once the 4-2 is in place, the 10 hour shifts will be eliminated by June and everyone currently on a 10 hour shift will be placed where manpower shortage in the district is hardest felt....midnights.
Fly on da wall


Fact has it that you have your rumor wrong.
If the pilot ends then those officers affected will re-bid watches. Midnights will be filled reverse senority.

Beware.

10/19/2009 09:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You people never learn do you??
The City, the cpd will not give you anything that will be to your advantage......eventually the shoe will drop and the shit will hit the fan. Once you firgue out the City upside to this, it will be back to the flack jackets, steel pots.

10/19/2009 01:07:00 PM


You've got a point. I thought the 4-2 was a good schedule until they agreed to it. There must be something we're missing.... no way they're doing it for us. There must be an angle.....

10/19/2009 10:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Doesn't matter I heard today that city might pull deal.

10/19/2009 06:09:00 PM


Let the City try to pull the deal now, just fucking try and you will have the biggest mutiny of police officers in the history of this City.

Go ahead shortshanks, pull this deal off the table. I dare you, I fucking dare you.

10/19/2009 10:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

what is this court you speak of?

10/19/2009 10:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This schedule DOES NOT APPLY to Sgts, Lt's or Captains...the city WILL NOT give it to the mgmt due to the fact that they get an extra .5 or .75 hours.....

10/19/2009 11:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rich Rostrom (probably a civilian) did some counting (in support of us, or maybe for fear of his neighborhood not having enough police)...

Then someone (probably one of us)who thinks they are smart writes "Math without facts is some dangerous shit, Rich. Try to avoid making an ass of yourself in the future. Thank you.

I'll appoint myself to settle this one:

The 4-2 adds a half hour to your tour - absolutely. But this does little for manpower issues on any one day as it is not enough time to increase police presence on the street. It translates to ACTUAL face-to-face relief...and it should be this way.

Now, ladies and gentlemen, where the ACTUAL City advantage exists is in the elimination of the 7th day off group. With only 6 day off groups, the Dept's daily deployment strength INCREASES by 1/7th without having to hire any new officers. This will absorb the loss of the retirees who will not be replaced in the short term. (Notice no academy classses) Not only will the City not have to hire for awhile, but they will now be able to redeploy a 1/7th of the workforce over only six day off groups. With the exception of those waiting to get hired, this is a pretty good deal for both sides of the fence: We get more help on the street and the City saves money. But there are additional factors to consider...most of which favor the City and are realistic to project/expect:

1 - When the FLSA/Denied OT court cases are settled, the City will likely have to accept paying OT to callback officers to fill in when time off demands surge. By knocking a day off group out of the schedule, there should be enough on-duty officers to cover time off requests in the short term (plenty in a few years once heavy hiring starts again) for the City to ever have to deal with this.


Then, what about these things -

2 - How exactly do non-IOD/IOD medical days get converted? If you work 2080 hours a year (roughly our schedule) and value medical time this way, did we just give up a month of medical time I don't know the answer on this, but it seems if furloughs are converted to hours, medical time probably is too. Someone should check the fine print and see if this it the case or not. I hope not.

3 - No new equipment purchases (cars, computers) that were not already expected/budgeted need to be made AND there will be more officers on the street per watch with minimal, if no, overlap to the existing demand for non-human resources.

4. Do Supervisors get that half automatically? If they don't, they are already working 9 hours, so whether they move to the new schedule or not does not matter. And besides, I don't care what a Sergeant or above works anyway.

Result:

Don't trick yourself into believing the FOP negotiated something great and/or the City did us a favor. Even though the 4-2 is still a win for us, the new schedule makes more sense for the City...and is the only reason we were offered it.

10/20/2009 12:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You've got a point. I thought the 4-2 was a good schedule until they agreed to it. There must be something we're missing.... no way they're doing it for us. There must be an angle.....

10/19/2009 10:09:00 PM


There is no angle. It is straightforward. Everything right now in the city budgeting office comes down to saving money for the city. This schedule will do just that. This schedule will make you burn more time. When you need to burn more time, you will not check the money box as often and therefore save the city money.
That being said, it is true this schedule isn't as good for our wallets, but it is better for our heads.

10/20/2009 12:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

SCC, any truth into us having to burn a half-hour of comp time to use personal and baby furlo days????

10/19/2009 01:21:00 AM

NO. Personals count as a day... baby furlo, however, you do have to drop one half of an hour... no biggie, cause you make it up with all of the holiday hours

10/20/2009 12:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Instead of overlapping shifts, there should be face to face relief. The different watches would be able to share information about their beat. There would also be no need for the extra equipment to facilitate the overlapping watches. These are some of the changes that would make the 4-2 shift more workable.

10/19/2009 09:30:00 AM

do you realize that an overlap means that you have 1/2 the chance of having a late job because there are TWO of the early beat cars? That is one of the best things about the 4-2.... third watch and mids overlap, so there are waaay more cars on the street! You go home on time!!!! Face to face relief? Good lord. You must be new...

10/20/2009 01:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Blogger Rich Rostrom said...

I can see why the "4+2" is preferable for several good reasons. But I have a question.
Under the 15-week "6+2" schedule, as noted in the post, each officer works 75 days out of each 105-day cycle.

Under the "4+2" schedule, each officer will work 4 days out of each 6-day cycle.

In 210 days, under "6+2" there would be 2 105-day cycles, for 150 work days, but under "4+2" there would be 35 6-day cycles, for 140 work days.

If so, then each officer works 10 fewer days - which would aggravate the existing manpower shortage by 10/150, or 6.7% - a significant whack.

Am I right? If so, what if anything is proposed to address this issue?

Just A Civilian (who does arithmetic)

10/19/2009 04:36:00 PM

There is ONE LESS day off group. Problem solved. Anything else I can help you with?

10/20/2009 01:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I work 10 hour days and they are always 10 Hour days

But damn I love the extra days off

Well worth it

This site is for crybabies thst make shit up half the time!!!

And it really pisses me off that you guys dont stick together...COPS used to be all blue..all u got is each other and ya all bitch about each other endlessly..

Idiots the thugs stick together more than you DO!!!!!!

10/20/2009 01:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This schedule DOES NOT APPLY to Sgts, Lt's or Captains...the city WILL NOT give it to the mgmt due to the fact that they get an extra .5 or .75 hours.....

10/19/2009 11:17:00 PM

No sergeants..really?

Another twit posts.

10/20/2009 02:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I got most of my 40 CR's on the sixth day...it was always a very stressful day!

Go 4-2...

I feel my hair growing back on my head already...

10/20/2009 02:55:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Earth to retard. Earth to retard. Come in, retard. You do not have a constitutional right to be drunk. That is all. If you think you do, hire Roddy. He needs the work.

10/19/2009 06:36:00 PM"


Sure you do.

It's covered under the '...pursuit of happiness...' clause.

Burp.

10/20/2009 03:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You guys are funny. Giving credit to FOP for this. They wanted 6 and 3, goofy j-fed approved the 4 and 2 after the city figured out that it caused a greater use of comp time. The Budget Office liked that one.

And to the civilian doing arithmetic, yep this schedule puts less officer on the street. Probably one or two cars each watch. Real smart, huh?

Welcome to the strategic thinking Chicago police department.

10/20/2009 03:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm gone miss my 3day wkends that's how where I add some time And get out of town for a breath of fresh air. :-(

10/20/2009 04:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Another big mouth heard from?

"The biggest police mutiny..."

Sure, just like the militant march on city hall.

More hot air?

SCC does a fine service to the community, airing police situations. Big moujth threats only discredit us.

10/20/2009 06:08:00 AM  
Blogger Have it Better Than Most said...

TO: This schedule DOES NOT APPLY to Sgts, Lt's or Captains...the city WILL NOT give it to the mgmt due to the fact that they get an extra .5 or .75 hours.....

Ummm, the sgt's will be doing that schedule, don't know about Lt's and Capt's

10/20/2009 06:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm gone miss my 3day wkends that's how where I add some time And get out of town for a breath of fresh air. :-(

10/20/2009 04:45:00 AM

JUST ADD A DAY TO YOUR TWO DAYS ON EITHER END JERKOFF

10/20/2009 09:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And yes, I cherish my fri-sat-sun's, sat-sun-mon's. Yeah, a great schedule....burns all my p-days,v-days and comp time so i can be priveledged to have a 3day weekend......you sir are a dummy.

10/19/2009 09:50:00 AM


You cherish your 3 day weekends because you have been working a district that went to that schedule and your only choice at the time was to bid out. You obviously chose to stay and you made the new schedule WORK FOR YOU!

I have to wonder how you felt the day you heard your district was going to the 6 on- 3 off schedule? You like it now.....great for you. From what I hear if you are in a district now that works either the 10hr day or the 6/3 like yours, you won't be changing to the 4/2 in Jan 2010. It probably will be much later in the year.

So, suck it up buttercup! Enjoy your coveted 6/3 while you have it.

10/20/2009 09:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm trying to find out more info on the pilot program of the 4 and 2 start times etc. I was on the F.O.P.'s website and I couldn't seem to find it. Does anyone know where I could find the original 4 and 2 pilot info?

10/19/2009 10:17:00 AM


Click on CURRENT CONTRACT then on WORK SCHEDULE AGREEMENT 09/08.

10/20/2009 09:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Secondly, since I am one of the crybaby broads that work the desk on 3rd watch, we are delighted about the 4 and 2, so before you post your crap, maybe you should "interview" us. Also, please stop coming by and talking to us as if you are our friend, hypocrite.

10/19/2009 02:15:00 PM


OUCH! I'd be more impressed if you gave up your desk position and worked a beat car. You got this job to be a police officer, not a secretary with a gun.

10/20/2009 09:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I'm gone miss my 3day wkends that's how where I add some time And get out of town for a breath of fresh air. :-(

10/20/2009 04:45:00 AM

sucks to be you sell the vacation home or add time dick!

10/20/2009 11:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

thank you FOP. can we suspend November and December and get right to the 4 and 2??

10/20/2009 12:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

Earth to retard. Earth to retard. Come in, retard. You do not have a constitutional right to be drunk. That is all. If you think you do, hire Roddy. He needs the work.

10/19/2009 06:36:00 PM
___________________________________

Apparently you have the constitutional right to smoke crack.

Now back to 4/2

Loosing a 3 day weekend every 5 weeks is a small price to pay for not working 6 in a row.

By the time my days off come there is a pile of laundry to the ceiling and all the housework needs to be done too. My first day is spent cleaning and doing laundry and that's even with 3 days off.

6/2=7/1 - 5/3=6/2

4/2=5/1

4 days straight equals less work on my days off.

Also, how often are people really stretching their furloughs or adding an extra day to their weekends. In some districts you can't get a day off in the middle of the week, let alone the weekend. You people make it sound like you're doing it every week.

10/20/2009 12:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'll stay in my unit and do absolutely nothing. thank you daley
and i'll check the money box every single time.

10/20/2009 04:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why couldn't FOP and the city have both schedules by placing 1/2 the department on 10 hr. days and the other on 9 hr. days. That way everyone would be happy. (At least for the most part.)

10/19/2009 05:37:00 PM

In a Utopia world maybe. But we are talking about cops. They will never be happy. Even when given what they want or ask for they will still bitch and complain and bring up some conspiracy theory behind it.

10/20/2009 04:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why can the President of the United States get drunk and everyone else except us Chicago Police Officers

Because dumb fuck, you have a power that the president does not have....the power to arrest. How many time does this have to be said, when we signed up we agreed to abide by a higher standard. Not getting drunk is not new. I have my rules and regs from the academy 25 years ago, and being intoxicated on or off duty is prohibited. The people who bitch about not being able to get fucked up at will need to re-focus or get some help. How about worrying about wages, medical benefits, retirement and something important.

You want to drink? Go ask your wife and kids if they like it when you get fucked up.

Jesus Christ, get over it already.

10/20/2009 05:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

since the City is now trying to use our earned time-due as an issue in the new schedule, that seems as if the 4-2 will force people to burn more time due, then the FLO
P should be working on letting us sell our Time Due, like the Sergeants can. Whats good them is good for us.
Make the City pay us too, and take LESS time due.

10/20/2009 06:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This will be good. More family time as you pointed out. 2 less consecutive days of exposure to savagery in this city.

These points alone make it a winner.

The 10 hour schedule isn't conducive to family life schedules or Officer sanity. Worked it, thought hour 9 of baby-mama and event # bullshit would make my fucking head explode. It sucked worse then the 6th day.

You, must REALLY be STUPID...

10/20/2009 06:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can we please thank the FOP for all the work they put into getting us this schedule change! Almost the whole department wanted to get rid of the 6th day and they actually found a way to do it.
From the bottom of my heart and my families i thank you FOP.

It's not officially gone yet. Snake-in-the-Grass Daley is capable of anything.

10/20/2009 06:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What about the Airport, We defend Chicago from the inevitable Terrorist Attack, and we get nothing in return?

10/18/2009 06:25:00 PM

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Oh Fuck! That was a good one!

10/19/2009 08:31:00 AM

YEAH, HOW ABOUT IT, 7 OR 8 OF US PER WATCH , WITH OUR TRUSTY .38'S AND 9MM'S KEEP THOSE AIRPORTS SAFE BECAUSE MILITARY-TRAINED MILATINT SUICIDAL TERRORISTS WITH HIGH EXPLOSIVES AND FULL AUTO WEAPONS ARE AFRAID OF US. RIGHT.

10/20/2009 06:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
What about the Airport, We defend Chicago from the inevitable Terrorist Attack, and we get nothing in return?

10/18/2009 06:25:00 PM

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Oh Fuck! That was a good one!

10/19/2009 08:31:00 AM

YEAH, HOW ABOUT IT, 7 OR 8 OF US PER WATCH , WITH OUR TRUSTY .38'S AND 9MM'S KEEP THOSE AIRPORTS SAFE BECAUSE MILITARY-TRAINED MILATINT SUICIDAL TERRORISTS WITH HIGH EXPLOSIVES AND FULL AUTO WEAPONS ARE AFRAID OF US. RIGHT.

10/20/2009 06:22:00 PM


Hey, I use a .45 at the airport.

10/20/2009 10:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You cherish your 3 day weekends because you have been working a district that went to that schedule and your only choice at the time was to bid out. You obviously chose to stay and you made the new schedule WORK FOR YOU!

I have to wonder how you felt the day you heard your district was going to the 6 on- 3 off schedule? You like it now.....great for you. From what I hear if you are in a district now that works either the 10hr day or the 6/3 like yours, you won't be changing to the 4/2 in Jan 2010. It probably will be much later in the year.

So, suck it up buttercup! Enjoy your coveted 6/3 while you have it.
**********

No asshole, I chose to stay because I live where I work and the people I work with are top notch. Getting the 6-3 was an added bonus. You knock me because of the postive things I pointed out of the 6-3 but yet I sense some jealousy that you apparently do not have the 6-3. Looks like you lost out there buttercup cause you shoulda bid in when you had the chance, idiot. I will repeat myself......THE 6-3 IS THE BETTER THAN 4-2's by far! Period

10/21/2009 01:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You want a full weekend off, BURN A SLIP...3 day weekend...BURN A SLIP!!!! Why the hell should we have to burn any slips when the 6 and 3 gave us weekends every 2-3 weeks??????????

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Stop crying and use your brained. Take a tumble in the parking lot and go on IUD for a thirty-day weekend. Don't gotta burn a slip.

10/21/2009 11:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Stop crying and use your brained. Take a tumble in the parking lot and go on IUD for a thirty-day weekend. Don't gotta burn a slip.

10/21/2009 11:33:00 AM

Real intelligent post moron.

10/21/2009 11:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You are missing the point! The city, with the blessing from FOP want to stop you from saving the 6&4 BFD and PD days and cashing them in! Big expense to the city so with less weekends in the new plan you will most likely burn those days to get some weekends off! Genius!

10/22/2009 08:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Stop crying and use your brained. Take a tumble in the parking lot and go on IUD for a thirty-day weekend. Don't gotta burn a slip.

10/21/2009 11:33:00 AM

Real intelligent post moron.

10/21/2009 11:56:00 PM

Thanksed be to you.

10/22/2009 10:58:00 AM  

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