New Schedule for 2010
This is a good thing. It's all over the comment sections. The main points:
- The Lodge has been working to modify the current 6-on 2-off work schedule for at least fifteen years. That goal was finally accomplished today when the Contract Negotiations Team unanimously recommended that the full Board of Directors vote to accept an agreement that will implement a 4-on 2-off work schedule in Districts 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 9, 10, 11, 12, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 21, 22, 23, 24, and 25 beginning the first period of 2010. Areas 1, 3, 4, and 5 will also participate in this schedule. The full Board of Directors unanimously voted to accept the Negotiations Team's recommendation.
This schedule has been piloted in the 014th and 018th Districts for the past ten and one-half months. All details, including sample rotations, regarding this schedule can be found on the FOP website under the Current Contract tab on the left side of the page.
The 005th and 020th Districts will continue to work the Ten-Hour Rotating Schedule in 2010.
The 008th and 013th Districts will continue to work the 6-on 3-off Schedule.
Area 2 will continue to work the Ten-Hour Rotating Schedule in 2010.
All Special Functions Units that participated in any 2009 pilot work schedule will continue to work that schedule in 2010.
It should be noted that all desk, lockup, and watch relief positions will be included in all of these work schedules in 2010.
Labels: contract stuff, FOP
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
244 Comments:
This is not as nice as you might think.
018
Awww man! Now I have to see the wife more often!
16 more days off a year...shut the hell up about the three day weekends!
How come this is never put up for a vote? Who decides our hours? If these hours are good enough for us let H.Q. and all the various house mouses follow the same schedule.
Kiss the three day weekend goodbye.
Hmmmmmmm.... What will we give up?
Time to leave.
Holy shit another useless thing by the FOP. Lets go to dog ass central and see if they like the schedule. Let's not ask the working police in 008, 005, or 7 if they like their schedules. Lets not rotate the schedules around the Department and see what the real police think of a schedule lets just grab the worst one and go with it!! Thanks for nothing!!
Asshats
i work in a 4-2 schedule i love it, the only complaint i have is that since we no longer get 3 day weekends, alot of people put in slips for the weekends + low manpower to begin with and we all tend to be 99 on fri and sat which sucks.... but its a grt schedule though.
can guys from 018 and 014 chime in on the start times for the different watches? thanks.
I liked it the way it was, why the hell did the FOP have to go and change it? GOTCHA!!!!!!!!! Thank You FOP.
I have enjoyed the 4-2 schedule very much this year. If you're skeptical, you'll be over it by your first RDOs.
Now I'm gonna lose my my 3 day weekends, fuck this shit,this fucked up dept,shortskanks,Banjoboy,Burger Queen etc..... JOKE! Thank You FOP for a job well done.........
Can't wait to hear the crybabys bitch about this? Thanks FOP.
I work the 6-3 and love it. I never worked a 4/2.
So let me get this straight... if you work in Area 2 a Personal Day is worth 10 hours, but if you work in say any other district your personal day is only worth 8.5,,,, thats kinda fucked up
I am just happy to see that the FOP Board of Directors took the time to ask the rank and file if they were happy with this schedule, before they just voted on how our lives should run
Il take anything. That 6th day can suck my dick Daley.
Slow down with the praise. I hate the 6 day week, but look at this closer. You rotate backwards and lose a weekend. You will be off Monday/Sunday then Sunday/Saturday then Saturday/Friday. I have two young kids, so to me Monday/Sunday and Saturday/Friday are NOT weekends. Being off Saturday/Sunday is a true weekend. Also there is no more 3 day weekends ever. You are off one Saturday/Sunday ever 7 weeks. As it is now you get a true three day weekend every six weeks, and you get two in a row. Comp time will now cost 8.50 hours. The way it is now if you take a Baby Furlo as 5 days off between your two weekends you get 11 days off and it costs you 40 hours(5x8=40). To have 11 days off under the new schedule you need to use 59.50 hours(7x8.5=59.50). Interesting how the FOP put it on their web site at 6PM on a Friday. It was not on the site at 5:15PM because I checked when I was told about this. Got a call around 6PM and was told it was up now. Called the FOP and got no answer. Why didn't the FOP bring this to the members for a vote? It looks great, but it will cost you more comp time over the course of the year. Furlos are now converted to hours instead of days. You need to use more hours to be off your two 14 day furlo segments with this. You will not have as many furlo hours to use as compared to the current 22 or 25 working day furlo.
Thank you FOP!!!
I love you guys!!!
That 6th day blew chunks.
I'm lovin this. I always said the worst part about this job was having to work 6 straight days. By the 6th day you just had it up to here with everything that you were just ready to explode!
Thanks to the FOP on this.
You guys came through huge!
K.G. from 023... I know how much hard work you put in on this and all the bitching and moaning you had to endure. It was all worth it and i can't thank you enough. Lunch on me next time i see you.
Off topic--hey SCC, it looks like your latest resounding blast at WEISel has stirred up the wrath of Information Services. It would seem that no one is able to access your blog on any Dept. Computer via the normal alternate route. Yes, it appears that the Dept. has cut all ties with the blog...on Dept. computers.
Why are we negotiating with these assholes? What next piece meal part of a contract are we going to get? What did we give up (behind closed doors) to get this new schedule? What did we give up to get 55 and out? How balanced is the ledger right now? Are winning now or is the city? What are we leaving Benn to decide? How happy are we going to be with no retro and pay increase?
Here's your report madame!
Verrrrrry interesting, but stupid.
YES!! You guys are gonna love it...
018th district ranger
lovin my 6 n 3
How come we; the officers, weren't able to vote on the schedule change? I haven't seen a ballot or anything regarding the change just rumors regarding it. Now it's being shoved down our throats. The only thing that I saw was that the white shirts didn't like the "housing schedule".
PLEASE, move back the start times 3/w 10hrs.
might as well be on 1st/w.
I think the price of vacation homes in MI. and WI. just went down.
Just so long as the M.S.F stays in the ten hour schedule. If not the place is doomed due to a certian LT. P.K. The ten hour day is the only reason anybody stays there.
A company pissed off P.O.
great news! It's hopeful that my unit will pick this schedule up someday!
I think we should have had a vote on this , thanks flop you just cost me $8000 a year!
The airports are looking at 10 hour schedule,as since they are part of "investigative services" they will have the same great schedule area 2 dics have! Thanks to the commander for putting this forward! At least argenbright cares about his troops!
Anonymous said...
This is not as nice as you might think.
018
10/17/2009 12:06:00 AM
Right, Maybe working 6 in a row is somehow preferable to working 4 in a row. Thanks for the input Deputy Georges.
we're on this schedule now and it rocks.
i expect a lot of people will bitch, because of lot of old time coppers on here do nothing but whine and bitch like a bunch of pussies. do yourself and everyone else a favor- retire already.
my question is, if so many units are going to this schedule, why not just make it for the entire dept?
Anonymous said...
How come this is never put up for a vote? Who decides our hours? If these hours are good enough for us let H.Q. and all the various house mouses follow the same schedule.
10/17/2009 12:10:00 AM
If the various house mouses are in a fixed day off group, they will stay in a fixed say off group, S&S or S&F or S&M for example. If they are in DOG 1-7 and work 6 and 2 and are in a district, they will go to 4 and 2.
As for a vote, the FOP board of directors voted on it. It was unanimous. Management still retains the right to, well, to be management. or, as Donahue put it, management reserves the right to mis-manage.
I have heard nothing but glowing feedback on 4 and 2. It seems simple enough, working 4 days is better than working 6 days. This is exactly what PO's have been complaining about for many years, that damned 6th day. Now we have the 6th and 5th day eliminated.
How can that be bad?
hey cry baby we only have 6 day off groups with the 4 on 2 off your weekends come by faster look at the schedule first before you bitch or get a side job so you wont have to see your wife and kids with the extra days off.after a month ask and see how many love the new schedule
I like the 4-2 set up although I never worked it (worked the 10 hour test in 2005 and loved it but it is a long day), but the city needs just keep the same start times as the current schedule. This will eliminate all the problems with the lack of cars. You would end up working a little less than 2080 hours yearly but this job is not typical. Those less hours will benefit the city in less medical, IOD, use of force beefs, verbal beefs and domestic issues at home. That 5th and 6th day on this particular job when in a working district can be a grind on everything in your life.
Anonymous said...
Kiss the three day weekend goodbye.
10/17/2009 12:11:00 AM
There were those who lamented the passing of white strips down the sides of the pants, those who long for rotating shifts, those who cursed the radios and wanted to go back to call boxes. They will pass on into the dust bin of history.
Now, if I am getting close to days off falling on weekends, I can take a day and work 3 and then off 3. Fine with me. 16 more days off a year!!!!!
I suppose the flat earth society will still think working 6 is better than working 4. They probably also like carbon paper, typewriters and thin yellow onion paper. This is progress, long overdue.
Anonymous said...
Hmmmmmmm.... What will we give up?
10/17/2009 12:12:00 AM
Nothing.
So let me get this straight, I never worked for a Union before, but they can change something without the vote of the membership? If that is the case fuck these guys, its time to oust everyone of these assholes and get a real union like the Teamsters in here. This is absolute bullshit.
People complaining about this proves some guys will complain about anything and everything......6-2. Vs. 4-2. Duh....
Yes, I look forward to more time in the Ghetto and less time out of it, fuck this job.
Anonymous said...
Holy shit another useless thing by the FOP. Lets go to dog ass central and see if they like the schedule. Let's not ask the working police in 008, 005, or 7 if they like their schedules. Lets not rotate the schedules around the Department and see what the real police think of a schedule lets just grab the worst one and go with it!! Thanks for nothing!!
Asshats
10/17/2009 12:16:00 AM
The city gets a big say in which schedule it's employees work. The city did not want the 6 and 3 or the 10 hour day in Districts.
You, however, can volunteer to work the 5th and 6th day. Go for it. Asshat.
Anonymous said...
So let me get this straight... if you work in Area 2 a Personal Day is worth 10 hours, but if you work in say any other district your personal day is only worth 8.5,,,, thats kinda fucked up
10/17/2009 12:42:00 AM
There are always a few in every crowd. Keep it simple: A Personal Day is always worth one working day, whatever hours your work day is, one personal day is one work day.
BFD and Vacation Days are worth 8 hours each. Period.
On holidays, if your work day is 8 hours or 8.5 hours or 10 hours, you will be paid premium holiday pay for all hours worked. If you want to take your work day off, you use either one personal day or as many hours as you are scheduled to work.
Payday is still on the 1st and 16th however, that remains the same.
This is a great schedule. I work in 018 and its 110x better than the 6-2 BS. Who cares if you lose the 3 day weekends? They only come once every 6 weeks anyways. The 4 day work week goes by so fast its great. If you hook up one day you only work 3 and you have 3 off. I havent seen one negative from this schedule. Now there will be coppers who bitch and moan because they have nothing else to do!! Its 16 extra days off a yr and a lot less stress doing only 4 days in a row. The one thing it does effect is furlough. It doesnt matter what segment you take you have the same number of days off with each. No more trying to figure out if your weekends fall in the middle of the furlough. For the guys with less than 10yrs, your furloughs will only be about 17 days unless you choose to burn a lot of your time. But again, much better than working 6 straight
Anonymous said...
How come we; the officers, weren't able to vote on the schedule change? I haven't seen a ballot or anything regarding the change just rumors regarding it. Now it's being shoved down our throats. The only thing that I saw was that the white shirts didn't like the "housing schedule".
10/17/2009 04:23:00 AM
Officers had all of 2009 so far to give their input to FOP via the survey on the FOP's web site. Unit Reps ere supposed to post notices about this. It surely was in many monthly FOP Newsletters. If anything, the FOP did not get enough feedback from officers yet certainly will hear complains from the usual customers.
As for putting it to a vote, every time the FOP puts anything to a vote by mail in ballot, they are lucky if half return their pre-stamped ballot card. The FOP did NOT want to have less than 50% participation in any vote as is usually the case. This would tell the city that the membership doesn't care.
The unit reps didn't even get to vote, it was done by the negotiating committee, the City and the FOP Board of directors. I have no problem with it. The goal was getting rid of the 6th day, that was done, good work FOP!
How come we; the officers, weren't able to vote on the schedule change?
Because just like the contract & election only a small amount of the P.O.s actually vote.
Thank God. Sounds Great. I wish it would start today.
FUCK!!! I hate that 10 hour schedule. I'm never gonna get out of 005
Anonymous said...
lovin my 6 n 3
10/17/2009 03:09:00 AM
They will go bye bye no later than the end of 2010.
The city has until July 1st to notify the FOP if they intend to eliminate the 6 and 3 or 10 hour days in districts, which they will likely do.
10 hour days likely to stay n D-Units that have them.
start time for days is 0530-1400, 0700-1530, 3rd watch is 1400-2230 and 1530-0001, midnights is i believe 2100-0530 and 2230-0700
Anyone know the start and end times for the watches?
Those that have zero idea of how this works out. Can someone who does explain in detail what can we expect.
This is all brand new to most people.
Leave it to fucking coppers to bitch about anything!!! My GOD!!!! I work in a district that still has 6/2 schedule!! Who the fuck cares about the 3 day weekend!!! Anything is better than the shit that the 6/2 people work!!! All you jags do is BITCH BITCH BITCH! How about a nice hot cup of SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!! On the 3rd day of the new schedule turn to your partner and say, "Damn only one more day"!!!!!
the graduating recruit class. on the streets for a month. then pulled off their training cycles to work the downtown window detail for 2 momths starting november. do you really want 40 people down there not having a clue to what they are doing? if something big does happen its going to be hard to defend why 40 officers with 4 weeks of street experience were put on corners without POs supervising them. These officers should be in the training district learning the job. You can just see this plan blowing up in the departments face.
If they came up with a schedual that was zero on and 7 off but you had to pick up your check on Sunday morning at 0300 at the district, you ass hats would still have a problem. I could hear it now...
"Why so early"?, "Why cant it be on Monday morning?" "look they cut the uniform allowance"?. and on, and on. I hate this job because I have to look at your faces when I get here.
Too bad, the ten hour schedule is great. work five take three off, work four take four off. It can't be beat. I hope they can offer it in more districts at a later date.
Great job FOP I think it will be great. And to all the guys bitching and moaning you guys would never be happy about anything. 16 more days off a year and people are complaining about having to take an extra half hour for CU or BFD get a life losers.
God, you people will bitch about ANYTHING. If they gave us a 5 on 2 off schedule so many would still complain! The whole time I've been on (and no, I'm not a 2 or five year wonder), all I've heard is everyone complain about the 6 day schedule. Now that it's changing it's still not good enough. And no, I'm not a fan of the 10 hour day. Regardless of the 3 and 4 day weekends, everyday child care is too hard. So to everyone that isn't happy with the 6 day week, and isn't happy with the move from that.....GFY
Holy shit....are we ever happy? I cant stand to be there 1 day let alone 4.
However... 4 on 2 off! I say YES! When my 3 day weekends came along i usually just laid around the 1st day from exhaustion.
I do agree with us being able to vote on it tho! I dont like FLOP making my decisions for me with out asking!
And watch how FLOP makes a big deal how they fought for this.
Daley is releasing all his hidden billions to balance the budget. Why cant the Police get a contract?
No matter if we get 1% or 10% They will never get another ounce of work out of me. I am over tired of getting shit on by this city.
I wrote to Cozzi and he wrote back stating...the living conditions are beyond horrible. He needs cards and letters. We need to keep him going. PLease write him. What I find amazing about Cozzi is he still states... and I quote from his letter, Bill says I still think Chicago is the greatest city. I still think the Chicago Police is the greatest department. Bill goes on to say, PLease tell everybody I said hello and to back each other up.
Wow other than a bunch of no good bosses that have tried to fuck me over, and the fact that we cant get a raise/contract, I havent gone through 1% of what Bill Cozzi has. And I hate thie city and department with a passion beyond belief!
Will FLOP push for an 8 hour 4-2 schedule? Since we're guaranteed to get shit for a raise this contract cycle, along with decreased benefits and increased out-of-pocket costs, that would make too much sense. It would be easier for these City and FLOP mopes to agree to change a day from 24 to 25.5 hours.
"PLEASE, move back the start times 3/w 10hrs.
might as well be on 1st/w.
10/17/2009 05:55:00 AM"
No can do. The whole point of the 10 hour schedule is to eliminate a watch.
Did any one calculate this?
Was this an FOP gift back to the City since it will affect our Comp time hours and Furlo days?
Did I miss my voting ballet?
What's the Big idea FOP?
It seems we need FOP's ass kicked for this one..
Sign of the Times .. Boys and Girls..
Anonymous said...
PLEASE, move back the start times 3/w 10hrs.
might as well be on 1st/w.
10/17/2009 05:55:00 AM
its not 10hrs dummy its only 8.5
Anonymous said...
Holy shit another useless thing by the FOP. Lets go to dog ass central and see if they like the schedule. Let's not ask the working police in 008, 005, or 7 if they like their schedules. Lets not rotate the schedules around the Department and see what the real police think of a schedule lets just grab the worst one and go with it!! Thanks for nothing!!
Asshats
10/17/2009 12:16:00 AM
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TO: Wayne or members of his band on unmerrymen.
Get a life!
Officers Please when I came on, not that long ago, 1995. THat was a big major thing people all wanted to get rid of. Well, that and the to be able to live outside the city. I see alot of complaining. I am not asking for names just what year did u come on and maybe we as some of the more seasoned officers can help you understand. It does not make an officer dumb, if they do not understand something. Thank you FOP.
The one thing that no one is mentioning is how the 1st watch overlaps the 3rd watch for an hour and a half on both the 4 on 2 off and the 6 on 3 off schedule. Remember, we work 8.5 hours plus a thirty minute lunch, which equals a 9 hour work day. That is why the desk officers do not currently work this schedule. Another problem the pilot program districts had is with equipment. When 1st watch officers got out of roll call, there were no cars, radios, or PDTs for them. Eventually, some pool cars arrived in these districts along with some extra radios but even now, the 1st watch cars are forced to come in and switch their vehicles two hours into their tour so they can have a PDT. How is the city going to implement this program citywide? Does it really make sense to have an entire watch of officers sitting around the station every night for an hour waiting for cars? This is what happens when no one asks the coppers that currently work these schedules for feedback.
I am just happy to see that the FOP Board of Directors took the time to ask the rank and file if they were happy with this schedule, before they just voted on how our lives should run
--There was a survey put up on the FOP website asking for input regarding the schedules. So THEY DID ask for input.
Check the site more often and put your two cents in and stop bitching. ANYTHING is better than the 6 & 2.
A point of clarification:
The FOP proposed the 6-3 schedule.
All the other schedules, 4-2, 5-2, 10hr were proposed by management.
Check the FOP site more often. They had a survey up and the input on the surveys was used for monthly meetings regarding the schedules.
As with every other decision made on this department, we will adjust.
They have a survey up now about denied time off. Maybe you should fill it out so when they deny your time off, you won't be complaining and saying FOP did nothing.
Anonymous said...
Kiss the three day weekend goodbye.
10/17/2009 12:11:00 AM
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Gladly, as long as I kiss the six day week goodbye.
To all the 2 year wonders, this is a GOOD thing. We have been trying to get rid of six days forever.
Really good for morale and the home life, no more weekends... I see alot more families spliting up!
Anonymous said...
Slow down with the praise. I hate the 6 day week, but look at this closer. You rotate backwards and lose a weekend. You will be off Monday/Sunday then Sunday/Saturday then Saturday/Friday. I have two young kids, so to me Monday/Sunday and Saturday/Friday are NOT weekends. Being off Saturday/Sunday is a true weekend. Also there is no more 3 day weekends ever. You are off one Saturday/Sunday ever 7 weeks. As it is now you get a true three day weekend every six weeks, and you get two in a row. Comp time will now cost 8.50 hours. The way it is now if you take a Baby Furlo as 5 days off between your two weekends you get 11 days off and it costs you 40 hours(5x8=40). To have 11 days off under the new schedule you need to use 59.50 hours(7x8.5=59.50). Interesting how the FOP put it on their web site at 6PM on a Friday. It was not on the site at 5:15PM because I checked when I was told about this. Got a call around 6PM and was told it was up now. Called the FOP and got no answer. Why didn't the FOP bring this to the members for a vote? It looks great, but it will cost you more comp time over the course of the year. Furlos are now converted to hours instead of days. You need to use more hours to be off your two 14 day furlo segments with this. You will not have as many furlo hours to use as compared to the current 22 or 25 working day furlo.
10/17/2009 01:05:00 AM
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Are you retarded? Fuck the 3 day weekend. You work a month and a half to get one lousy 3 day weekend. On this schedule you get two days off every four days. You work 14 less days a year you goof. You would need to use about 80.5 hours to complete a 14 day segment. Since days off come sooner, you end up using the same amount of time as you did on 6 and 2.
If you need weekends off go get a job at the bank.
As a 23 yr veteran Officer on the street, in a district all career, I can't wait to start the new schedule. I would be willing to take ANY schedule other than the 6/2. I know each schedule has some benefits and drawbacks and you can NEVER make everyone happy, but I think some of the younger guys do not understand how big this is. This department does NOTHING in a hurry. An alternate schedule had been studied at least 18 yrs ago that I can remember, and until now nothing has happened. I know there are no 3 day weekends, but we were working 4 weeks of 6 straight to get those weekends. I know we all have different situations, but to me personally, it was not worth it. I agree, we should have had more input into what schedule was to be implemented, but we all know the city...if they don't get their way, they take their ball and go home! This schedule causes the least disruption in relation to the current schedule and thats what the city was looking for. If we demanded the 10 hr day, there is no guarantee the city would go along with it. They could've told us to "get bit" and we'd be back to the 6/2. It has to be a mutual agreement and the city would only agree to the 4/2. Not a big fan of the FOP but I think this is a great step and can't wait to begin the schedule.
BE SAFE and BACK EACH OTHER UP!!
Its better than the 6/2 but the worst among the alternate schedules. Its the City's way of forcing Officers to burn more comp time therefore lessening the payouts for the fat cats when they retire. Good luck Officers I'm done in June anyway.
10 hour schedule is the best
work 5 off 3
three 4 day week ends
we need is a pay raise
no pay raise in 3 years
did other city workers ,alderman receive a raise
4 on 2 off better than 6 on 2 off
They are not going to offer this to Captains and Lt's. They will remain on the 6 and 2 with 3 day weekends.
Why something that is this important isn't brought to a membership vote. FOP has been doing a lot of stuff and not asking the members. Why is it that the City wants some of this, make them give something up.
Damn, you bitches would cry if we worked a 2 day week with the days being Sat and Sun. If your unhappy find a new job. Oh yea there aren't any jobs.
For the dude crying about his part timer, nobody cares. This is your job, if you don't like it see above comment.
I do agree with the poster that HQ should be on the working police's schedule.
Good job FOP the 6 days sucked.
"This is not as nice as you might think."
Maybe true- but much better then what we have now!
I'm glad to see they FOP listened to Area 2, and we are keeping the 10 hour schedule. It's the only reason I'm staying there. I hope they just leave it 10 hours the rest of my career. It's the only schedule I like. With the 4 and 2 there are not enough weekends off. They sould have of had each district vote for there own schedule, or have different schedules in each of the area districts so you could bid to the schedule you want.
Remember, we the members of FOP and the City agreed to get rid of the 6 day work week a long time ago, therefore stop thanking the current FOP officers. We the members agreed 2 contracts ago to get ride of the 6 day and made this one of several main issues to resolve. We agreed to have several pilot programs and pick the best for the members and the city. Mediate a fair schedule. The 6 day work week was not an option for a work schedule, the option was to pick between the pilot work schedules. We the members put this as a priority, now our officers of FOP want us to believe they and only they resolved the 6 day work week. Our options were to only be between the pilot work schedules. That being said, do you think the 4/2 is the best. You work the numbers and clearly you will realize the 4/2 is the best for the city not the members of FOP. Stop thanking FOP Officers for getting rid of the 6/2, thank your fellow street coppers who were around 12 years ago who had to pressure the FOP Officers, who enjoy the luxury of a friday, saturday, sunday day off when ever they
want it.
This blows! The city wants you to burn more comp time and this schedule makes you do that. The city says the 10 hour day used in several units can't be used department wide because of manpower and equiptment. Well how about the 6-3 schedule being used in 008? That's want I want. Who voted on this?
Q: Why shouldn't this be be put to a vote?
A: Because coppers bitch and cry about everything. Everyone on the 4 and 2 probably bitched when they got it and it seems hard to find a complaint from those same people now.
Bottom Line:
Still can avg 120hrs of comp time a yr + another 100hrs or so for Holidays (200+ banked a yr).
For those who are upset they cannot take all time due and create a larger bank of hours for retirement max out your deferred comp or open another retirement fund which will accumulate gains that you can withdraw interest free at retirement either way it will be more beneficial in the end then letting the city hold your 5000hrs on the books.
Take 2 days off every 7 weeks and you get your 3 day weekend. For those w/ kids we all know how many events and activities kids have during the week so a 3 day mid-week isn't the worst thing in the world.
Overall, just stop the bitching. I love this site but god does it make cops out to be a bunch of cry baby-ass bitches. Shut up for once and give something a chance before deciding it is so bad. We do 6 days now and we know that sucks so why not try something else before judging it and then if it sucks at least you have ground to stand on because you experienced it.
For example - J-Fed. We tried it and it sucks!!! Get it.....
I would have worked the ten hour days, or even the 6-3 schedule....this 4-2 is not the best schedule. if you really look at it we gave up our weekends to work 6 hours less a year. No matter how you look at it, we now have no weekends but work a total of six hours less in a year. Seems like a few guys on the 4-2 have already pointed out they don't like it and are already burning more time. This benefits the City way more than us.
You guys with your love of the 3 day weekend. You want 3 days off, use a P day. Like it is a treat to have to wait 5 weeks to see a weekend. But again, they could give you the moon and you bitch that you didnt get the stars.
You guys are so STUPID!
The bottom line is nobody wanted a 6th day. Now, we just lost a 5th and 6th day in trade for an extra 2 days off that come around every month and a half in the form of your weekend. Ok- so maybe you use .5 hours more for whatever but factor back in the extra 16 days you are off! Now seriously- only working 4 days in a row? That seems great to most of us.
You idiots that work all these side jobs and complain about your side job losses- that is not our concern nor the Departments. Deal with it and shut up- why should any of us give a shit about YOUR side jobs.
Maybe it is better for the city. But did you ever stop to think maybe it is better for the 90% of the people who want a change?
So, for you jerknuts who declare you know that this schedule is bad because you have 20 years on (how that qualifies you on the subject I dont know) or you three day weekend cry babies or even sidejob whores- SHUT UP and quit your crying because most all people wanted something different. So if you are one of the minority who doesn't wanted changes, well i guess it's your turn to take a bite of a big shit sandwich- and it's only 4 days of it!
-BLOW ME!
I DEMAND A VOTE ! 4-2 SUCKS
I just glad the 6 day week is gone, but wait I work days Monday-Friday, disregard carry on.
16 more days off a year...shut the hell up about the three day weekends!
10/17/2009 12:10:00 AM
Yeah...ten hour days we had 3 and 4 day weekends...6 and 3 and 10hr the only suitable alternative to the 6 and 2. My 2 furlo segments I was off for a month each time. When my weekends(and I mean weekends...4 days off) rolled around I was able to work my 2nd job 2 days and still have 2 days off with the family. Oh, and between weekends it was only 4 days of work. My 2 cents is that they shoulda kept the power watch and still accomodate the 4-2 watch.
Oh well.
I can only imagine that it's gotta be one old salty f*cking veteran that keeps making all the neg comments about this schedule.
Gosh some of you are so f*cking stupid i can't even believe it.
THIS IS A GREAT THING FOR US.
Everyone in the world works 5 straight days and then 2 off. We would only be working 4 straight then 2 off. It's f*cking awesome. I'm doing it now and believe me you guys will love it. The week flies by and before you know it you're off again. Seems like you're always off with this schedule.
I just can't for the life of me see how these guys can bitch about this. We used to only get our weekends every month and a half, which was great, but the rest of the time working the 6 straight just absolutely f*cking blew.
You selfish f*cking pricks complaining are only thinking about yourselves. How it might f*ck up some stupid side job you have going every 6 weeks. Get a life and clue.
99.9% of the department hated our old schedule and would've done anything to get rid of it.
THANK YOU FOP. You deserve praise for this and making the job a little more barable for 99.9% of us. That 0.1% can go f*ck themselves.
I was so happy when i heard this last night i couldn't sleep. I've been waiting to get rid of our current schedule for over a decade. The six straight is barbaric. Thank you FOP for a job very well done with this.
I can not wait to start this new schedule. I think i'll even get along with my partners a lot better. I only gotta work 2 days with each one then i'm off (and one of them is a crazy MF'er). This will be a piece of cake. working 4 with one then 2 the other or 3 with each every week was getting real old.
Anyway, much props to the FOP on this. Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quit crying you morons about side jobs and the crap 3 day weekends. As long as I only have to do 4 days in this crap city it is worth it. Can never make a cop happy, and to the old timers that don't like it RETIRE! Nobody thinks your cool cause you have 35+ years on in 016.
You people bitching on here i'm absolutely sure would be the same one's bitching if they were able to lift the residency.
Instead of being happy that now we could live anywhere we wanted like every other free American, you idiots would be totally against it b/c your housing value would drop. Your thinking is fuck everyone else and as long as i'm happy.
You gotta think about the future and the overall well being for everyone, not just yourself.
If you pull your head out of your ass for just a minute, you've gotta realize that working 4 then off 2 is so much fucking better than working 6 then off 2. The one extra day every month and a half IS NOT WORTH IT. It's not worth the agony of having 6 straight days of dealing with the ghetto bullshit and white shirt bullshit.
Just so long as the M.S.F stays in the ten hour schedule. If not the place is doomed due to a certian LT. P.K. The ten hour day is the only reason anybody stays there.
A company pissed off P.O.
10/17/2009 07:05:00 AM
This guy is a tool. Sits at the computer in 011 and watches the GPS of his units. Great LT!!!!!!
The 4-2 is awesome. Been doing it all year. You don't miss the weekends too much BECAUSE YOU ARE ALWAYS OFF!! Stop looking at how we lose a 3 day weekend every two months... This month, I was off
Sun Mon one week
Sat Sun the next, then
Fri Sat
Thurs Fri
Thats an ENTIRE MONTH with a fri, sat, or sun that im off, while only working FOUR FREAKING DAYS!!
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This month is followed by only three weeks without a weekend day, and then its right back to a month of weekend days. Add ONE day of comp time, and you not only have a three day weekend, but a THREE DAY workweek! Shit, I feel like a fireman...If today (sat) is my day 1, I'm rdo wed already!!!You are gonna love it. Its not perfect. If you want perfection, you are never gonna be happy anyway... I was not really in favor of this program UNTIL I STARTED WORKING IT.
10 hour day rotating is the best. 52 extra days off each year plus 4 day weekends every 4th,5th, & 6th week. I worked them for 4 years previously before the union fucked my unit up and said those hours were never negotiated and we had to go back to the 6 on 2 off. Only 684 more days and I'm gone. Maybe sooner if I get pissed off enough.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Just so long as the M.S.F stays in the ten hour schedule. If not the place is doomed due to a certian LT. P.K. The ten hour day is the only reason anybody stays there.
A company pissed off P.O.
10/17/2009 07:05:00 AM
Is anyone else tired of hearing msf people piss and moan? Or the gang guys that were tricked into going to OCD (saw that one coming)? Guess what...BID OUT. Shut up already. You went there. if it sucks, LEAVE! This is still a good job, and you can still have a lot of fun. There are 25 districts,and ALL of them are close enough to the Sears tower that your portable TV has excellent reception...
10 hr work day just means more movies- Thank you red box
The 6 and 3 is the way to go. Period! Its very nice having 3 days off always. The 4 and 2 does not work for the working PO. Yeah I have to work six in a row but the 3days off always are very nice. So keep pounding your chests you idiots bout the 4 and 2 cause you just got your wish. I will be enjoying my 6 and 3's with weekends every 3 weeks. Thankyou very much.
This is not as nice as you might think.
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10/17/2009 12:06:00 AM
Shut up, Steve Georgas. You're not in 018 any more.
WHOA DUDE!!!
How come this is never put up for a vote? Who decides our hours? If these hours are good enough for us let H.Q. and all the various house mouses follow the same schedule.
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I am just happy to see that the FOP Board of Directors took the time to ask the rank and file if they were happy with this schedule, before they just voted on how our lives should run
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It WAS put up for a vote, it's just your FOP unit rep never botherd to ask YOU how YOU wanted them to vote!! It's easier for them to just vote how they want without consulting the district they represent.. Keep it in mind that's all.. They will tell you they had no warning, or heads up.. Bullshit.. And did the city sign it?? If they did not, then you never know, I certainly dont trust the city to do the right thing when there is something the membership might want..
It's unbelievable how nothing ever seems to make us happy. Everyone bitches about the 6 day work week and now that they've finally gotten rid of that shitty ass schedule, a bunch of people start bitching about the new one and how they won't have 3 day weekends anymore. What fucking schedule do you want exactly? You want 4/2 with 3 day weekends? Sorry but the math doesn't add up for that. Here's an idea... Every 5 weeks throw in a slip and give yourself a 3 day weekend. Everyone that wants to keep 6/2 for their 3 day weekends must not have worked the 6/2 for too many years. Either that or they need a psych evaluation.
Holy shit another useless thing by the FOP. Lets go to dog ass central and see if they like the schedule. Let's not ask the working police in 008, 005, or 7 if they like their schedules. Lets not rotate the schedules around the Department and see what the real police think of a schedule lets just grab the worst one and go with it!! Thanks for nothing!!
Asshats
10/17/2009 12:16:00 AM
Goddamned assholes never cease to amaze.......the 4-2 has worked very well in the units using it. AND......moron.......the FOP does not have the power to "rotate the schedules around the Department and see what the 'real police (like you, no doubt, big tuff blogger)' think of a schedule" as you suggest. The 4-2 works great and is a vast improvement over what we had. GFY.
Kiss the three day weekend goodbye.
10/17/2009 12:11:00 AM
Gotta find something to bitch about, I suppose. For me, I like 4-2. Give it a chance.
Anonymous said...
I think we should have had a vote on this , thanks flop you just cost me $8000 a year!
10/17/2009 07:34:00 AM
How do you figure?
I love all the whiners that feel FOP should have put it to a vote, as if it is solely up to FOP to decide the work schedule. It's not. That being the case, voting for a 10 hour or 12 hour day is useless if you can't actually get it from the Department. Jesus, morons. The 4/2 is awesome. The vast majority of us working it like it better than 6/3. You'll see.
Yeah what a deal, with the 10 hour days you got an extra 54 yes 54 days off and weekends every 4th week and then you got 3 yes 3 4 day weekends so yeah FOP you did great for us. My son is grown and lives out of state, with the 10 hours I could take 4 days between one of my weekends and been off 12 days to visit. I know my didstict rep never came to a single roll call to ask what we thought and neither did anyone from FOP. So who does this really benefit. The start times for 3rd watch sucks ass you young guys will never see your kids. I am an old timer and remember rotating all three watches it sucked but straight watches really cost you new guys when it comes to seeing your kids grow up
Bob Mangan FTO 015,I love the 10 hour days and I'm gonna miss them
i work in a 4-2 schedule i love it, the only complaint i have is that since we no longer get 3 day weekends, alot of people put in slips for the weekends + low manpower to begin with and we all tend to be 99 on fri and sat which sucks.... but its a grt schedule though.
10/17/2009 12:16:00 AM
This is exactly why the city want sthis stupid schedule. Everyone will have to burn more time on weekends. No more three day weekend and you have to work 8.5 hours, it just does not make any sense.
The ten hour schedule is the one the city did not want because everyone would have a shit load of 4 day weekends.
If this was put up for a vote the ten hour day would of won by a landslide.
16 more days off a year...shut the hell up about the three day weekends!
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You sir are a fucking moron.
Ten hour days would give 52 days off more per year and a crazy amount of 4 day weekends.
It looks great, but it will cost you more comp time over the course of the year.
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HUH? You'll be earning more comp time, jerky.
Can't please everybody.
Time to leave.
10/17/2009 12:13:00 AM
Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
Bitch,Bitch,Bitch there is a whole bunch of people that will never be happy.I am happy the 6 day week is gone and no 10 hour day.Every one cannot have their own personal schedule.
i guess i could have to work a real job! 4-2, ill take it.
Dear Haters,
Give 4/2 a shot. It's all good.
Thank you.
Thanks, FOPPity Fop FOP. I came on in '91 and it's been a long time coming. Nice job.
"Kiss the three day weekend goodbye."
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GLADLY!!!
Who cares about a 3 day weekend when you gotta wait 6 weeks for it to finally come around?
And you gotta do 6 weeks of a 6-on/2-off to get it???
Put the crack pipe down, the 4 and 2 is a MUCH better schedule.
Finally some good news! This will help us two working parent families who would have been totally screwed on the 10 hour day.
Thanks FOP and KG-from 023-Nice work!
Fuck you FLOP! Chicago coppers get fucked again. Why? Why didn't FLOP put the schedule to a vote so that the officers could decide themselves what schedule they want. There should be one schedule for the whole department. Now FLOP is going to be licking its own balls telling the coppers what great job FLOP did for them. Where the fuck is the contract with decent benefits? Chicago police officers need a real union to represent them! FLOP is not cutting it because it doesn't give a fuck about the officers.
Hey 12:16
I did my whole career in ghetto shit and work in 016 now. Does that make me not the REAL POLICE cause I don't work in 007 or 011?
Love it, Thanks to everyone at FOP.
You will never please everyone, anything is better than 6 days!
Pimpin ain't easy!
http://www.wbbm780.com/pages/5462774.php?contentType=4&contentId=4886805
It's not bad w-the weekends, if you throw a slip in on your sun/mon you get three weekends off in a row.
TO...... Anonymous said...
I think we should have had a vote on this , thanks flop you just cost me $8000 a year!
10/17/2009 07:34:00
to bad SGT.....
Nice Job F.O.P.
from a P.O.
so tonight would be my friday already!!!! that sure beats goin to work and knowing i still have to be there 2 more nights
This is not as nice as you might think.
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why not?
you people that are bitching about the weekends. can we kick you as hard as possible in the nuts?! 6 day work weeks?! i want to kick myself in the nuts by the 5th day! you want to deal with the shit we do for 6 days or 4? and crying about weekends?! you have weekends what, every 6 weeks?! weekends, yeah ok! weekends imply you have your weekends off not that you have weekends once a month or so!
give me 4 days!
Do any of these cry babies ever stop to listen what they are saying? How do you know that they don't want it commando....
This is not as nice as you might think.
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And the 6-2 is any better?!?!?!?!?
I'm happy
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Off topic--hey SCC, it looks like your latest resounding blast at WEISel has stirred up the wrath of Information Services. It would seem that no one is able to access your blog on any Dept. Computer via the normal alternate route. Yes, it appears that the Dept. has cut all ties with the blog...on Dept. computers.
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It's been like that for a while, at least in 018
PK is bucking for that gold star, he still thinks its for real. Sit there and wallow in it, hairgel.
I think we should have had a vote on this , thanks flop you just cost me $8000 a year!
What-Pray Tell- would make your ass happy? Why don't we all stay on the 6 day schedule so you won't whine. Get a side job on the extra days off you'll be enjoying- Bitch.
To all you fuckin crybabies:
You'll find anything to complain about. You don't like 6 days and the FOP finally did something. Thats 2 less days to work? What's wrong w/ that? Oh, I can't have a 3 day weekend! Shut the fuck up! Put your slip in bitch, it's obvious you don't wanna be at work anyway
Two days off after working 5 or 6 midnights are not enough.
Want to see some sparks fly? Suggest that we get a real SHIFT DIFFERENTIAL, either in cash or Time Due, instead of the Duty Availability Check, that even cops who never see a police station after dark get.
While we are at it, if a Sergeant gets a half an hour per working day Time Due, how about an Acting Desk Sergeant? And make the Out-of Grade pay pensionable. That would be a nice boost for some senior officers and nudge the city to make more promotions. The city saves money by using "actors" because they don't have to pay the pension upgrade. If you don't want to pay your end of the pension upgrade, your can request a refund from the Pension Board.
What we need to do is get rid of FOP.What did we get for this in return, nothing!!!! This 4 day 8.5 work week only benefits the department not the rank and file officers and that's is why the department wants it so bad. This should have been voted on by the members instead of being shoved down our throats!!!. We officers will pay for this by using up our comp time, to add to the only two days off you are going to get, rest assured. Which is just what the department wants!!!! 4 and 2 yeah it's better than the 6 day work week, but we are getting butt fuck in the end !!!!!
It is funny that the UIC survey which was suppose to get the officers opinion as to what they thought of the new work schedules.... still has not been revealed as promised last spring by UIC and J-Fed.
This is the shit FOP is suppose to be protecting us from, not taking our dues while climming into bed with these assholes. Get ready people because were about to get hosed with this next contract. And you can take that to the Bank!!! Because that is all you're going to get!
I work the 10-hour shift. Thought I'd love it, but now I don't. The time off is great but 10 hours is rough.
this department is full of a bunch of morons
Anonymous Anonymous said...
the graduating recruit class. on the streets for a month. then pulled off their training cycles to work the downtown window detail for 2 momths starting november. do you really want 40 people down there not having a clue to what they are doing? if something big does happen its going to be hard to defend why 40 officers with 4 weeks of street experience were put on corners without POs supervising them. These officers should be in the training district learning the job. You can just see this plan blowing up in the departments face.
10/17/2009 08:33:00 AM
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Nothing new. Used to happen all the time. Graduate then go to a window, traffic or construction detail.
BLA BLA BLA BLA, I would work anything they wanted me to....IF THEY GAVE US A CONTRACT AND A RAISE!!!!!!!!
This is not as nice as you might think.
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Ok, I'll bite......why not?
Off topic--hey SCC, it looks like your latest resounding blast at WEISel has stirred up the wrath of Information Services. It would seem that no one is able to access your blog on any Dept. Computer via the normal alternate route. Yes, it appears that the Dept. has cut all ties with the blog...on Dept. computers.
Where the hell have you been. Haven't been able to access SCC from a Dept. computer for sometime now.
My God all the fucking crybabies on this JOB. You fucking tools have the right every fucking month to attend a FOP Meeting, the dates and times are posted in your book, that is the TIME to BITCH about what you don't like!!!!! Also, the boardof directors meetings are published so you can bitch to the board at these meetings, so grow a set and bitch at the meetings you fucking baby.....
members should get to vote on this,just saying.
So let me get this straight, I never worked for a Union before, but they can change something without the vote of the membership? If that is the case fuck these guys, its time to oust everyone of these assholes and get a real union like the Teamsters in here. This is absolute bullshit.
10/17/2009 08:01:00 AM
Yeah, No doubt! We should trade our contract for the piece os shit the Wonderful Teamsters negotiated on behalf of the Sheriffs. (NOT!)Get real, loser. FOP rules. Teamsters drool.
Everyone praising this has to be some non working hack from two of the most rocking and rolling districts in the city 18 and 14? Do you assholes even remember what it is to be the police? I work CHA and I laugh my ass off watching the idiots strutting around there like they are Gods gift to the Police Department, and 14 is no better. I laugh at the "Honorable Mention Board" that a whole Tact Team is on an honorable for a delivery charge from one bag of weed recovered. These schedules should have been rotated around the areas so that everyone could get a taste and see what they like. Then we all take a vote.
Stop thanking FOP Officers for getting rid of the 6/2, thank your fellow street coppers who were around 12 years ago who had to pressure the FOP Officers, who enjoy the luxury of a friday, saturday, sunday day off when ever they
want it.
10/17/2009 10:52:0
In the words of tennis immortal John McEnroe: "You can't be serious." I suppose FOP never really negotiated a contract, amirite? GFY, loser.
Just became privy to an email sent out to the Sgts. Their Union has been able to negotiate with the City and their BFD's are actually considered a tour when used to take the day off. If sold back then they are only worth 8. Wonder why we could not get this?
This schedule is being done to encourage coppers to take time rather than money.
You want a 3 day like you used to get? Burn 8.5 hours.
Running low on time? Don't check the money box kid, check the time box.
The only single reason this is being foisted on us is because more people will burn their time and thus more people will take time rather than money.
EOS
This is going to be the worst thing this department has ever done. More days off for the police, mean more days for bad guys to commit crimes. Did any of you goofs think of that? I talked to my Alderman buddy and he thought it was a bad idea. I guess you can't teach common sense or numbers. I'm getting so ashamed to be the police I might ask to go back to my district and go work the desk. At least then I'll know I'll be safe from beat cops that don't know what they are doing. Remember, as a wise old Seargent with ten years on once told me when I was working special events, "Someone is always watching you. Whether it's the media, I.A.D., or a boss. Don't ever do that again." He was yelling at me because I was on probation and was late for roll call by 3 minutes. He was right to do it and I wish we had more leaders like him.
the 6-3 is great.
1) your weekends come every other week not like 4-2 every 7 weeks
2) you actually get 3 more days off then the 4-2, give me 19 days off then 16 days on the 4-2.
the key to working 6 days is to get the extra day off.
Let's not ask the working police in 008, 005, or 7 if they like their schedules. Lets not rotate the schedules around the Department and see what the real police think of a schedule lets just grab the worst one and go with it!! Thanks for nothing!!
Asshats
10/17/2009 12:16:00 AM
The real police checking in from 008 again. 3% of the department, 50% of the beefing. Do you think Rick Francis was the real police? Was Phil O'Reilly the real police? Was Brian Strouse the real police? Was Jimmy O'Brien the real police? Those are northsiders I know who've been killed in my time. I know none of them measure up to your accomplishments over the last three years in 008, but they gave everything a man can. Now go fuck off with your real police bullshit.
the 6 and 3 sucks,....Why did 013 get stuck with it? who sold us out...
Do we get anymore days off with the 6/3 schedule? People keep mentioning that you get 16 more days off with the 4/2. If we get more days off with the 6/3 and still get our weekends then I could live with working 6 straight days. Also don't you get your weekends more often with 6/3? Instead of every 5th and 6th week they come sooner, don't they? I'm just wondering. I work a 5-day week now, but I know I won't be here forever.
To all of you who want to vote, you did when you elected your representatives. Do you get to vote on tax increases? No the people that were elected do.
There has been a letter of understanding for years to work to eliminate the 6th workday. It was cited by members who responded to the unions inquiries as the number 1 thing they wanted eliminated. Prior to that it was the wearing of the uniform hat.
As an FOP member your opinion is always solicited. I see the same people attending the meetings,responding to the surveys and voting . The majority of the membership is not active and only take any interest when things don't go their way. They then make moronic statements like "why can't we vote" and "this is being rammed down our throats". Take an interest before things are decided and you might get what you want. Or sit on the sidelines and cry like a 5 year old when you don't.
I loves me some 6 and 3... Oh, I think I'll burn a day this week... Watch Secretary make that a 4 day weekend!!!
its amazing how some people bitch and whine yet havent even tried this schedule, i work in 014 and love the schedule, if u dont after working it then your a retard
Whos calling who a pussy? I have worked this schedule for over 20 years, and I can tell you this kid, there was nothing wrong with it. It was all of the entitled crew that cried over working a 6th day. Talk about babies I was tired of hearing some asshole cry constantly about a 6th day. There were some things wrong with it but it worked. For you assholes on here with kids, actually look at the schedule and see how many Saturdays and Sundays you will have to spend with your kids, and how often they come around. Me, I like to spend my 3 days with my children and to get out of this shithole City on the weekends for 3. You guys are the idiots. Anything forced on you is not good for you, or haven't you unbelievable morons figured that out yet? That is why this department is in the shitter. A bunch of hairgel know it alls that think they can solve the worlds problems by stamping their feet when things don't go their ways. You my "friends" are the pussies.
THANK U! I hate the 6 day work week. By the 5th and 6th day Im ready to jump out a fuckin window. I can be with my family more anc work my side job more often. I could give a rats ass about weekends, by the time they came around you are too fucking worn out to enjoy the first day anyway. If I need a three day I will add one on. Some of you old fuckers need to realize this is not 1975 anymore. Some of you younger kids need to understand the 6 day week fuckin kills your soul, especially if you work in the shithole ghettos. Now by the time you are just getting tired of baby mama and joes ways, you will gladly remember that rdos are a day away instead of 3. HALLELUJAH I say! 12 on and 10 more to go!
I DO NOT LIKE THIS OR WANT THIS~WE ALL WORK SOME SORT OF SPECIAL ANYWAY WHICH DOES NOT MATTER IF YOU WORK SIX DAYS IN A ROW!
Remember, we the members of FOP and the City agreed to get rid of the 6 day work week a long time ago, therefore stop thanking the current FOP officers. We the members agreed 2 contracts ago to get ride of the 6 day and made this one of several main issues to resolve. We agreed to have several pilot programs and pick the best for the members and the city.
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Why didn't you sign your name to your stupid post so we could all send YOU a thank-you note since FOP apparently had nothing to do with it? SRSLY, U R TTLLY DUMM.
Nice work, FOP. Don't listen to the a-holes. Love the 4/2 itz awesome..
This only means our contract is going to suck. Then the flop will say "yea, but we gave you guys the 4 on 2 off." Mark my words.
STOP BITCHING! I LOVE IT! EVERYONE IN AMERICA WORKS MONDAY THRU FRIDAY AND ARE OFF ONLY TWO DAYS! WE ARE WORKING 4 DAYS AND OFF TWO. YOU WORK 2 DAYS AND YOUR HALF WAY DONE! FOR THOSE OF YOU CRY BABIES WHO NEED A THREE DAY ONE IN AWHILE PUT IN A SLIP AND COME BACK AND HAVE TO WORK ONLY 3 DAYS THE FOLLOWING. SCC I CANNOT TOLERATE THESE CRY BABIES SORRY ABOUT THE CAPS BUT ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. WE FINALLY GET SOMETHING GOOD AND THESE IDIOTS DO NOT REALIZE IT!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I DEMAND A VOTE ! 4-2 SUCKS
10/17/2009 11:13:00 AM
UR RIGHT 6 2 is much better fool!
by time your weekends come your too tired to do anything but sleep!
Quit complaining..After your second day of work, you are half way through the work week.
Then 2 days off, back to work for 2 and again you are halfway through your work week.. It's awesome..
No where near as tiring as the dreaded 6th day...
FOP, WHERE ARE THE WORK SCHEDULE SURVEY RESULTS?????????????
Enjoy the change and quit your bitching. You youngsters have been complaining for years about the 6 and 2 set up. No matter what was changed, as always someone out there thinks he/she just got fucked.
Now let me get ready for work this Monday. (I'm S/S for the past 20 years)
Just thinking outside the box here...just had an idea that may be a good thing:
for perhaps a serior office,
especially one who us MAXED OUT but does not have the age to retire yet...
is personally financially secure...
enjoys the job BUT DOES NOT WANT streess of a full work schedule...
let them work a 4/3 or even 2/2, in other words ON A STRICTLY VOLUNTARY BASIS at a reduced level of pay let them work part time and ease them selves into retirement. Less heart attacks. Maybe have a flexible schedule and work when they are neeeded most. Need to think about this more but I have to get ready for work now.
I personally look forward to this....I'm gonna beat traffic both ways, deal with less bullshit because these cocksuckers will just be waking up when I'm going home.. However, I will never use time due again...fuck 'em, consider it an accelerated investment plan.
Make 'em pay you on the way out! God I love this fucking job!
Signed,
Officer "Pleasing Crowds" since 1978
Anybody who agrees to anything without a signed contract is a complete fool.
Everyone keeps bitching that they should have put this to a vote. Why? So everyone can vote? Just like everyone goes to FOP meetings? (That would be sarcasm). Give me a break. We have proven over and over that we can't stick together or stand up as a department so they made the choice for us. The way we have forced them to on so many other issues. Get over yourselves people. Today is my Monday. If it was January I would almost be done with the work week. If you don't like that, you're a damn fool.
Thank you FOP! The new 4-2 schedule will be much better than the 6-2 When I want to take a 3 day weekend I have no problem filling out a slip and working 1 less day (a 3 day work week too) Last I checked, you can't take the time or money with you when you leave this Earth anyway! More time away from the job (16 more days off a year) means fewer days I have to put the uniform on and put myself in harm's way. Overall this 4-2 schedule combined with the slips I will fill out for some 3 day weekends = a lot more days that I don't have to go to work!! Which means I will be able to enjoy my LIFE which is not my job/work.
Cops will complain and bitch about anything.
I NOTICED THE FOP BOARD IS BLOWING UP THIS POST WITH DETAILED EXPLANATIONS.
A FEW OF THEM HAVE VERY DISTINCT WRITING STYLES.
I KNOW A FEW OF THEM ARE WORRIED THAT THE PLAN WILL PISS OFF MANY.
THEY DONT WANT TO LOSE THE NICE SPOT AT FOP HALL NEXT ELECTION.
JUST LIKE THE BIG FAVOR THEY DID US FOR THE 55 RETIREMENT THAT FELL ON THEIR FACE. SURRRE THE CITY WILL LET EVERYONE RETIRE EVEN W/ OUT THE ALLOTTED NUMBERS BEING HIT.
HOW MUCH OVERTIME IS CUT FROM THE DICK AT AREA 2.... FUNNY NOBODY WANTS TO SAY.
JUST REMEMBER A MEDICAL DAY WILL STILL BE A MEDICAL DAY SO FIGURE IT OUT IF U WANT A 3 DAY WEEKEND.
HOW MANY HOURS IN A MEDICAL DAY???
THINK A LITTLE AND DONT TAKE PICTURES W/ PRISONER IT SHOW THAT ALL THOSE DEGREES R WORTH AS MUCH AS AN HONORABLE MENTION.
The city wanted to get as many as possible if not all personnel on the same work schedule. It was a paperwork nightmare when people were detailed to events like The Taste.
I have over 25 years, most of them on the 6-2 schedule. I thought it didn't bother me, but I find that when my weekends come around, they are double sweet.
When on the 6-2 schedule your week days were Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday.
On the 4-2 your week days are Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday.
After your first day back at work, you are only 3 days away from being off again.
It also might be possible down the road to tweak the 4-2 to allow for 3 day weekends. Depending on your unit and manpower, it may be possible to flip days off.
It may not be perfect, but it is an improvement. The City and the CPD are not given to rapid change. This took 15 years to pull off. The CPD was one of (if not THE) last department to abandon the revolver.
Hey, are we going to be allowed to use a half hour of CU now? I hope they thought this one through...as far as I know, there is some rule that requires full hours be used.
OT earned in 1/4 hour increments, but can only be used in full 1 hour increments, right?
wow! what a bunch of winers! b thankfullllll u have a job. yea, some shit sucks, but it seemes like most of the guys/gals bitchin would b unemployeed in the private world. tell me what normal job has a 4-2, because i only know of a 5-2.
Im going to laugh at all of you when the city does'nt sign the deal on Monday, and there is no change... NOTHING WAS SIGNED YET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hate to admit this, but the FOP went into this looking for the 6 and 3 schedule. Weis agreed to do the 4 and 2.
Also, it's funny how the capts and lts agreed to the city contract and they get screwed on the schedule. Oh well.
Found out where 90% of the negative comments came from on the 4-2. I was talking to this f*cking retard today and he said he posted about 20 comments bashing the 4-2 schedule on here. So there you go. There's where probablly most of the neg comments came from. Trust me FOP, we are all happy as hell for the change and new schedule. I would love to post this idiots name who claims to have posted all the negative comments but then i'm afraid SCC won't publish this comment.
Just wanted everyone to know that it's one dude trying to make it look like a bunch of people don't want the schedule.
Why? So everyone can vote? Just like everyone goes to FOP meetings? (That would be sarcasm).
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Well put.
As if anyone would vote on this issue if given the opportunity....
when we are given the opportunity to vote -- when we don't even have to go anywhere to do so because the ballots are sent directly to our homes -- we STILL DON'T GET A LARGE TURNOUT.
Its 15 days off. But you lose three furlough days right off the top with the conversion of days off to hours.
Current Schedule...Burn 40 hours to fill in between your current three day weekends = 11 days off.
4-2's schedule... To get the same 11 days off you would have to burn a total of 59 1/2 hours of your hard earned comp. time.
This new schedule is a way for the city to get back your comp time. The FOP did not even let you have a say in this.
Lastly, why are we negotiating our contract in bits in pieces and not a whole.
Yeah put a slip in if you want a three day weekend. We had three day weekends !!!!, you put a slip in for a four day week end. Way to give up something we already had.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Slow down with the praise. I hate the 6 day week, but look at this closer. You rotate backwards and lose a weekend. You will be off Monday/Sunday then Sunday/Saturday then Saturday/Friday. I have two young kids, so to me Monday/Sunday and Saturday/Friday are NOT weekends. Being off Saturday/Sunday is a true weekend. Also there is no more 3 day weekends ever. You are off one Saturday/Sunday ever 7 weeks. As it is now you get a true three day weekend every six weeks, and you get two in a row. Comp time will now cost 8.50 hours. The way it is now if you take a Baby Furlo as 5 days off between your two weekends you get 11 days off and it costs you 40 hours(5x8=40). To have 11 days off under the new schedule you need to use 59.50 hours(7x8.5=59.50). Interesting how the FOP put it on their web site at 6PM on a Friday. It was not on the site at 5:15PM because I checked when I was told about this. Got a call around 6PM and was told it was up now. Called the FOP and got no answer. Why didn't the FOP bring this to the members for a vote? It looks great, but it will cost you more comp time over the course of the year. Furlos are now converted to hours instead of days. You need to use more hours to be off your two 14 day furlo segments with this. You will not have as many furlo hours to use as compared to the current 22 or 25 working day furlo.
10/17/2009 01:05:00 AM
no one will everbe happy, shut the hell up and just be the police for once, fucking cry babys all the time. i should call you francis
I knew there were a lot of dumb coppers on this job, but after seeing some of these posts i'm just baffled beyone belief.
People would die to have this 4-2 schedule. If you told any company anywhere that they could work the 4-2 instead of 5-2 they would JUMP on it in a heartbeat! And our schedule is so frickin bad right now with the 6-2 you would think guys would be bowing at the feet of the FOP guys who were able to accomplish this.
But there in lies the few dumb coppers that can only see how they are losing a 3 day weekend which only comes around every 6 weeks. They are so dumb that they can't see the big picture of how good it'll feel to only have to work 4 straight days. They won't realize it until they start working it, but when they do they will understand how dumb they were to ever think that another schedule would be better.
add it up 15 year plus guys!
25 v-days
6-p days
5 bfd's
plus 104 hrs if you you dont work any holiday at all all year
104 hrs equals approx 12 days off
so they want us to take off 48 more days a year. approx.????
besides the days i'm off?
I'm in, this is awesome!
forget the piddly .5 hr shit.
I want the 2010 operations calendar so I can take off the important family time needed. 4 days of time gives you 8 days off!
Talk to the dispatchers about serious contract issues they have!
They eliminated their holidays!
No holidays for dispatchers? grievances and lawsuits are flying.
They are screwin with oemc unmercilessly right now.
Well how about the 6-3 schedule being used in 008? That's want I want. Who voted on this?
10/17/2009 10:53:00 AM
Then go to 008!
Leave it to fucking coppers to bitch about anything!!! My GOD!!!! I work in a district that still has 6/2 schedule!! Who the fuck cares about the 3 day weekend!!! Anything is better than the shit that the 6/2 people work!!! All you jags do is BITCH BITCH BITCH! How about a nice hot cup of SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!! On the 3rd day of the new schedule turn to your partner and say, "Damn only one more day"!!!!!
Your the perfect example of someone who can't see past their nose. That's what the city likes. You must love giving back your furlough days, and getting less time off for your comp time in the long run. Yes six days in a row does stink, but 4-2's was not the best for us. It was the best for the city. Why do you think they pushed it through. You care about the three day weekends for the simple reason "ASSHAT". YOU DO NOT GIVE UP SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE ALREADY! Even you might be able to comprehend that.
this department is full of a bunch of morons
Nice grammar, who's the moron?
Whos calling who a pussy? I have worked this schedule for over 20 years, and I can tell you this kid, there was nothing wrong with it. It was all of the entitled crew that cried over working a 6th day. Talk about babies I was tired of hearing some asshole cry constantly about a 6th day. There were some things wrong with it but it worked. For you assholes on here with kids, actually look at the schedule and see how many Saturdays and Sundays you will have to spend with your kids, and how often they come around. Me, I like to spend my 3 days with my children and to get out of this shithole City on the weekends for 3. You guys are the idiots. Anything forced on you is not good for you, or haven't you unbelievable morons figured that out yet? That is why this department is in the shitter. A bunch of hairgel know it alls that think they can solve the worlds problems by stamping their feet when things don't go their ways. You my "friends" are the pussies.
Your kidding right ? Your bitching about the 5th and 6th week 3 day weekend special. You have 20 years on. You clown, just burn some of that comp time you are hoarding a couple of times a month and you can still have the weekends with kids.
You are insane if you think the 6 straight days were a good schedule. That was silly, silly, silly, silly.
Not a 20 year guy, but I have 15 and I do not have a problem with dropping a slip every once in a while.
You must be an inside guy if you enjoyed the 6 in a row schedule.
4 on 2 off is much better then 6 straight.
Whos calling who a pussy? I have worked this schedule for over 20 years, and I can tell you this kid, there was nothing wrong with it. It was all of the entitled crew that cried over working a 6th day. Talk about babies I was tired of hearing some asshole cry constantly about a 6th day. There were some things wrong with it but it worked. For you assholes on here with kids, actually look at the schedule and see how many Saturdays and Sundays you will have to spend with your kids, and how often they come around. Me, I like to spend my 3 days with my children and to get out of this shithole City on the weekends for 3. You guys are the idiots. Anything forced on you is not good for you, or haven't you unbelievable morons figured that out yet? That is why this department is in the shitter. A bunch of hairgel know it alls that think they can solve the worlds problems by stamping their feet when things don't go their ways. You my "friends" are the pussies.
10/17/2009 08:06:00 PM
are you slow?
you will be seeing your family MORE! i mean are you serious? you made this post? do you think at all, ever?
Some of you just don't get it. This is a win for the city, they will make you use more time to have more than two days off in a row, then you will have to check the time box because you will be low on time for using so much of it, so they will be paying out less in ot. So now people are trying to burn an extra day to be off 3, well guess what? more people will be denied or there will be more 99 units; great for officer safety huh? I know everyone is happy about losing the 5th and 6th day but you are short-sighted by not seeing what else you lose. Did anyone stop to think about the midnight watch? how this schedule will effect them? it is going to feel like one day off a week. Sorry but i would glady stay 6 and 2 and look forward to two weekends every 6 weeks, i've been doing it 16 years and it's been fine. 6 and 3 would be the best option IMHO.
Hey FOP... You should go to a 7 on zero off. that way everyone is equally pissed off. Stop crying already, anything is better than 6-2. "ohh, I won the lotto, but just LOOK at the taxes!"
10 hour days are the shit-52 more days off a year. Fuck 4-2 and 6-3!
Here is why there was no vote by the membership on the work schedule:
1. You were supposed to be giving your input all along.
2. If put to a vote, less than 50% would even bother to return the self addressed postage paid envelopes anyway.
3. If put to a vote the only choices would have been the current 6 and 2 schedule or the 4 and 2 schedule. That is it. The 6 and 3 or the 10 hour day would not have been offered by the city nor were they offered to the FOP in any of the negotiations. The city does not even want to continue the pilot programs in Districts 8/13 and 5/20, the city wants all 25 Districts to work the same schedule, 4 and 2.
By the end of 2010 all districts are very likely to be on the 4 and 2 schedule.
Again, no matter how much people like the 6 and 3 it was never going to be an option for us.
Yes, detectives in Area 2 know that overtime is down. They don't care, they like their schedule. Besides, there is still plenty of overtime. It is Area 2, they will not stop killing each other just because the detectives are working 10 hour days.
Be grateful we got what we did, 4 and 2.
The other units within the city will likely get another work schedule on a unit by unit basis.
As for Captains and Lieutenants, see what you get for going it alone and approving a shit contract? You can always resign your Lt or Capt spot and ask if you can work the 4 and 2 as a PO or Sgt.
Anonymous said...
FOP, WHERE ARE THE WORK SCHEDULE SURVEY RESULTS?????????????
10/17/2009 09:19:00 PM
Who cares. The choice was between 4 and 2 and the current 6 and 2. Easy choice.
Not having worked any of the new schedules, I'm willing to keep an open mind on the 4/2 starting in Jan 2010.
I got on this job back in the early 90's and we still rotated. I heard people bitch and moan about having to re-adjust their home life every 28 days; coppers whined about how hard it was to keep a second job, etc.
Then word came out that we were moving to steady watches. HURRAH!? No. Coppers started whining that they didn't have enough time to get the watch they wanted. At least with ROTATING they were able to work the watch they liked every 3rd month. And if you didn't have enough time on the job you wouldn't see days for a LONG time. More whining.
The one constant during all this has been the complaints of the 6 day work week. Unless you made this job your life, no one liked working those 6 days. Now, after all this time we will be losing that 6th work day and going to the 4 on 2 off schedule. Work 4 days in a row, then have 2 off and then repeat. Since the week week is defined as being Sunday thru Sat, we work 5 days within the week.
YAAA!? No. Now coppers are whining about losing that coveted 3 day weekend. Well here's an idea...ever 5th week throw a slip in and give yourself a 3 day weekend. Ah but some would whine about having to burn THEIR time to accomplish that. I guess there is no satisfying everyone.
On the topic of not being able to vote on this issue, I just have one question; of those of you that have been bitching here that this should have been put up for a vote I simply ask you this......when was the last F.O.P. membership meeting that you attended? Hmmm? Sorry, the crickets seem to be drowning you out. I thinks it's safe to say that the majority of the whining little bitches here have not been to a meeting in a very long time, if ever.
OK, rant over.
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