Camden Gets in on the Act
Pittsburgh reporters actually tracked down the Orange One for quotes:
- Pat Camden, who spent more than 30 years with the department and was its spokesman for several years, harshly criticized the officers for damaging the reputation of a department that has been trying to rehabilitate its image that was hurt by several incidents, including one, captured on film and shown worldwide, of an off-duty officer beating up a female bartender.
"When you put on a police uniform you represent the Chicago Police Department and we've got these idiots with a prisoner right in front of them, and supervisors are standing right there," he said, incredulously. "That kind of childish behavior is totally unacceptable."
When Pat isn't on your side, something went wrong.
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posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
42 Comments:
The Tan Man is teaching at Northwestern??
Yeah, Mr.Skilled Orator "the offender pulls da gun on da cops & dey cap him". Gotta go guys, got a tanning appointment.
You wonder why our exempts can't speak in complete sentences to the Media?
I have to agree 100% with Mr. Camden. He would never say anything like that against the dept if it wasn't true. He's just calling it what it is...
You fucking idiots! I just hope you are merit sergeants and P.O.s with clout. Bye bye good life.
These supervisors failed their people and the city.
What was done was wrong. We all can agree on that. But the harsh name calling, we don't need that, do we?
Civility between us and the public would definitely be to our benefit. Just sayin"
OT...any truth to the rumor that recruits were told not to return on Monday? That is real nice to have people move into the city, quit there last job, and then just shit on them!
we can only blame others so much. Just like we always say that jesse, phleger and shitbag parents need to look in the mirror, so do we.
The media, daley, weis, or anyone else did not force any of these officers to pose-they made the choice themselves
can we go back to the days when u did not call your sargeant by his first name and you did not dare go into the watch commanders office for anything?
to anyone who is going to bash camnden, you have no clue what your talking about-stop pretending that you do- you obviously never had a first hand experience with a news worthy event and had pat come on to ask you or the dets what happend
he knew what to and what not to say
Anonymous said...
we can only blame others so much. Just like we always say that jesse, phleger and shitbag parents need to look in the mirror, so do we.
The media, daley, weis, or anyone else did not force any of these officers to pose-they made the choice themselves
can we go back to the days when u did not call your sargeant by his first name and you did not dare go into the watch commanders office for anything?
10/17/2009 07:32:00 AM
I remember a Captain with a metal sign on his desk, like a name tag, except this said "No Matter What You Want the Answer is NO"
That's how you started off with this guy. His power was absolute, his word was law. But, too many of them refused to knuckle under to commanders and higher ups and told one or two to go have sex with themselves.
So richy daley the short of shank and devoid of character or any shred of integrity or decency conspired and concocted a way to take power away from the Captains and put it in the hands of the exempts. Never again would a Captain refuse to obey a stupid ill conceived order from an Almighty gold star member.
That was a giant leap in the disgusting politicization of the police department. We are all living with the results of daley's manipulations now.
Captains and Lieutenants ratify their contract with no raise and refuse to stand behind the rest of us? OK, now the PO's and Sgt's are going to 4 and 2 work schedule while Capt & Lt's stay on the old 6 and 2. Fantastic!
I can't see that lasting but good for the Captains & Lt's if they do get screwed like that.
And all the specialized units, if they work the 6 and 2 they will continue to work the 6 and 2. The 4 and 2 is only for the Districts. And then only for Sgt's and PO's. Finally a bone gets tossed down our way.
The specialized unit reps were howling yesterday, "what about ussss" Their turn at a better schedule is likely to come but it is down the pike a bit. Same for the detective units, their best shot at getting an alternate schedule is to get together and tell their commander and the FOP what they want. Now the FOP has a stronger hand in making a case for the remainder of the city switching to a better schedule because everyone else has. It will happen, it just will take some more time. The command staff has to be allowed to think they are in charge.
I agree with 7:39am,,,,Pat Camden was a very good coach when I "became famous" a while back and had all kinds of TV cameras stuck in my face for an incident.
Quit bashing the guy.
I totally agree with Pat! Nuff said!
can we go back to the days when u did not call your sargeant by his first name and you did not dare go into the watch commanders office for anything?
10/17/2009 07:32:00 AM
WOW very good.....i have often wondered the same.
Anonymous said...
OT...any truth to the rumor that recruits were told not to return on Monday? That is real nice to have people move into the city, quit there last job, and then just shit on them!
10/17/2009 07:26:00 AM
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What are you taling about?
There are ONLY Four, FOUR, 4, (Yes, 1,2,3,4) Chicago recruits in the Academy right now.
Hey 12:35.....Camden is a good guy who was on our side. STFU asshole!
Camden is a class act....one of weis more stupid acts was to fire him...he was on scene of shooting with press,gave concise and clear statements...not like bozos we have now or worse,cfd spokesman...
The Tan Man is teaching at Northwestern??
Yeah, Mr.Skilled Orator "the offender pulls da gun on da cops & dey cap him". Gotta go guys, got a tanning appointment.
You wonder why our exempts can't speak in complete sentences to the Media?
10/17/2009 12:35:00 AM
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You are the bigest jerk of the day, you asshole. Think about your words.
Pat Camden was the best. And did you happen to notice that things have gotten much, much worse since they moved him out and the "professional civilians", and that includes Lt. M. Biggane because she was never the police anyway, are handling the on-camera stuff?
You can blame things getting worse, since Pat was given the exit, on a lot of things, such as technological advancements, cameras everywhere, the media's thirst for blood, the public's thrist for blood, J-Weasel's thirst for blood, and/or us being our own worst enemy, but the fact remains, Pat was good at his job, not only on camera, but with "the before and after the camera" relationships he forged over the years with people on and off the job. You do not replace that in the blink of an eye and, seeing the people that they have tried to have step into his shoes, it is never going to be duplicated.
Pat knew how to stem the feeding frenzy. Now, his replacements just open the gates and let the hoard feed on you.
Back in the day, I was no fan of the tanned one, but now I know I was foolish. And, no, I am not Pat or any of his relatives or friends. But you are still an asshole, Mr/Ms 10/17/2009 12:35:00 AM.
Here you go again, just because the Tan One agrees with your public attack on these officers still doesn't make it right. A quick video doesn't tell the entire story. Wait until all the facts come out and then start your attacks!
You usually attack Clout Babies and I don't care if the Tan One had 40 yrs with the CPD he was a CLOUT BABY!!!! His words mean shit to me.
Dont understand that comment about the recruits They just graduated a week or so ago and there are no recruits in the academy. Are you trying to say they were sent to district and told not to return?
"When Pat isn't on your side, something went wrong."
Pat dosent get a department paycheck to care anymore!
OT...any truth to the rumor that recruits were told not to return on Monday? That is real nice to have people move into the city, quit there last job, and then just shit on them!
10/17/2009 07:26:00 AM
Where do you find this bullshit?
Camden was the best! he was old school. he had that Miami vice tan.but he was a true cpd spin master.
Suspended......YES, Fired......NO Bad judgement call on behalf of them, really bad but not worthy of firing
Camden sucked. He did this stupid dog and pony show, had no credibility, left the scene, and then the bs went on unchallenged. A 'no comment' would have been just as effective if not more.
OT I let my Chicago magazine subscription expire because it's a liberal rag. This is now the 4th free issue they've sent me trying to get me to renew. ("Consider this our gift...") Don't renew, even if you like the restaurant section. You'll get the thing for free anyway.
Let's see, Camden a 30 year retired Police Officer, returned as civilian in CPD News Affairs, Now teaching at Northwestern????
Camden has covered the asses of a lot of Police Officers who made some bad judgements, some of you people didn't like that....then they came up with the "Bitch", some of you people didn't like that, now they have the mystery person....personally I would like to see more cops able to bounce back half as well as this guy...and when you retire you to might be fortunate to own property away from this shit hole and get yourself a tan
Now that Pat is really a "civilian" he can truthfully declare his feelings and opinions on police conduct. There were too many times in the past where he pulled his punches and bit his tongue because he was the "department spokesman."
About time!!!!!!!
The orange one.
I miss him.
I STILL DONT SEE WHAT THE PROBLEM IS.
I AGREE COMPLETELY!!!!!!!!!
JODI IN A CPD UNIFORM....THAT KIND OF CHILDISH BEHAVIOR IS UNACCEPTABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
To the first poster on this thread, there was never anything wrong with Camden's public speaking skills. I'd rather hear/see him on the news speaking about news events involving us than that that bullet head marble-mouthed SCREAMING SKULL anyday!
In 2000 I was involved in a shooting. Pat was the ONLY person on the scene who took the time to get the true story before he gave a briefing to our news reporters?? 5 years later when we were sued, Pats, was the ONLY true account. We were found not guilty. Pat you are what a spokes person SHOULD be. Gone and missed with great memories.
Ron White said it best "you can't fix stupid"
I'm glad some supervisors were there, so they can go down hard too.
Suspended......YES, Fired......NO Bad judgement call on behalf of them, really bad but not worthy of firing
10/17/2009 12:19:00 PM
We've got soldiers in a war zone facing prison time for the exact same thing. These guys were sent to direct traffic, so fired...YES
These are the 14 Marine Corps Leadership Traits The CPD sure could learn something from them
JUSTICE
JUDGMENT
DEPENDABILITY
INITIATIVE
DECISIVENESS
TACT
INTEGRITY
ENTHUSIASM
BEARING
UNSELFISHNESS
COURAGE
KNOWLEDGE
LOYALTY
ENDURANCE
I don t care weather the Sgts. In that video were merits or not. They are wrong Period and so is every P.O. there.
If you think just because someone is made off the test that that makes them a leader……….. You are wrong. Take a big look around. Just because someone can memorize orders does not make them a good leader of men and women who carry a weapon for a living, nor does being meritorious promoted make you a bad leader. You either Get it or you don t., and we definitely have a leadership problem in this department, and we have had one long before Weiss.
That’s what happens when politics comes into it and or we promote solely because of test scores. I don t have the answers or I d be rich man.
I know that the people who suffer the most because of poor leadership is the guy/gal at the bottom. The P.O. who is out there for 8,9, 10 hrs. If he does nt have a Sgt. He can go to and if that Sgt. Does nt have the intestinal fortitude to do the right thing that kid is going to get himself into a world of hurt sooner or later. The Sgt. Is NOT there to be your friend……….. He s there to be a supervisor, a leader. And Leading from the front is the only way that works in a profession where you carry a weapon. Not to many people can do both some can……
But do not blame just the sgt.s and above. There are some really dumb people out there who aren’t t supervisors……….. And a lot of supervisors are dumb
And if you can t honestly admit to that then you don t belong on this job.
Working with no contract sucks. And so does what happened to Bill……….. But do not dare use either one of those to justify the fact that you are a dog who never was the police…….. I am not blaming anybody for what they do or don’t do now………. Cozzi got screwed there’s no two ways about it. But don’t use Cozzi as an excuse …………which some people are.
And if you ever have any doubt about what this job is really all about Look at the top post………….. It is for real its not a game where all you have to do is answer your radio
I'll say this in every post on the subject. There is no way to know that the coppers in photo knew that the prisoner was going to be in it. Look at the PO's at the left of to the group. How would they know whats happening to the right side of the picture?
And all the specialized units, if they work the 6 and 2 they will continue to work the 6 and 2. The 4 and 2 is only for the Districts. And then only for Sgt's and PO's. Finally a bone gets tossed down our way.
The specialized unit reps were howling yesterday, "what about ussss" Their turn at a better schedule is likely to come but it is down the pike a bit. Same for the detective units, their best shot at getting an alternate schedule is to get together and tell their commander and the FOP what they want. Now the FOP has a stronger hand in making a case for the remainder of the city switching to a better schedule because everyone else has. It will happen, it just will take some more time. The command staff has to be allowed to think they are in charge.
10/17/2009 07:49:00 AM
Name one specialized unit working a 6 day week?
Areas 1, 3, 4, & 5 went to the 4/2 scedule. Area 2 is on the 10 hour day.
You have no idea what you're talking about, do you?
Camden did a better job than anyone filling his shoes since.
Agreed. Name me one who's done better since Camden left. He was fun to make fun of with his year round tan in the middle of winter but he was the best and always gave the real story.
Anonymous said...
OT...any truth to the rumor that recruits were told not to return on Monday? That is real nice to have people move into the city, quit there last job, and then just shit on them!
10/17/2009 07:26:00 AM
You are a complete idiot. The last recruit class graduated and are certified as law enforcement officers. Even if they were let go which is complete and absolute bullshit, they could find a job anywhere. The city would loose 6 months of training 46 recruits. There are now 4 CPD recruits in the academy. The third largest department in the country with 4 recruits in the academy. Suburban departments have larger classes. I would tell you to think first but you are beyond that skill, asshat.
Pat Camden is true CPD. He worked with the media and made sure we never got as much bad press as we get now. Come back Pat!!
10/17 7:32 a.m. can we go back to the days when the only time you saw a sgt was when you called for him and he reamed you a new ass for bothering him.... can we also go back to real bosses who don't come up to roll call and act like used car salesmen....
10/17 7:32 a.m. can we go back to the days when the only time you saw a sgt was when you called for him and he reamed you a new ass for bothering him.... can we also go back to real bosses who don't come up to roll call and act like used car salesmen....
10/18/2009 12:04:00 PM
Yep. When you didn't even know what your watch commander looked like. Even if you got into an incident and he arrived arrogant and drunk, he handled the situation with ease and you were happy you heard he was there.
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