No Openings Again
But this time, instead of no actual openings, a screw up by Management and Labor Affairs:
- After a great deal of discussion with Management and Labor Affairs, the Lodge was advised that recognized vacancies for the third police period were scheduled to be posted on Thursday, February 11, 2010. The submission time for these requests was to be increased from seventy-two hours to ninety-six hours due to the Friday and Monday holidays. As of 1615 hours on Saturday, February 13, 2010, the recognized vacancies have yet to be posted. The Lodge will address this issue first thing on Tuesday, February 16, 2010 when the MLAS offices reopen for business. Units will be notified of the resolution which will also be posted on the FOP wwebsite.
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
44 Comments:
Hey SCC maybe they are waiting until the order is given to put tru,msf,gun teams etc back in patrol where they belong!
THIS IS BY DESIGN!NO OPENINGS BECAUSE EVERYBODY GOT ASSIGNED LAST PERIOD TO ALL THOSE UNITS!!ITS ALL FAIR AND HONEST!NOT!!!!!!!!!!
Although I've only been on seven years, in that relatively short time it has never been explained to me, nor can I find anyone who knows, how the Department decides who has openings and who does not. Now it seems to me, in the interest of fairness and transparency, our union and current superintendent would find a solution to this problem of obvious collusion. Then it dawns on me that our current union leadership is worth to us about as much as the superintendent. That is to say, I have as much faith in that weasel called superintendent as I do for the thieves called our union leadership. Those bums put up a facade of caring and action onto the most mundane and trivial of issues in an effort to fleece us into believing they are fighting for our contractual rights. Now what do ya think MLAS is gonna say when the mighty and fearsome FOP calls them? I'm guessing something along the lines of, "oh yeah, I'll take care of it later. Anything else? No? Ok." Click. It's time for us to realize how impotent, ineffectual, and untrustworthy the current FOP truly is. Please start going to meetings or writing emails letting these lemmings know their bullshit isn't working and to step up or step down.
always remember...its their ball and they pick who can play.they slip people in under the radar. just like when bosses add people to 2nd watch after the bidding process. i ve also seen people getting'' bullshit hardship furloughs''. just file your grievance and wait a couple of years. i guess the bosses could care less about labor agreements too.
also, why do they need 2 range guys...? Put one back on the street.
2/13/2010 09:26:00 AM
Way to throw your fellow copper under the bus!
I hope I don’t work with/for you!!!
HOW ABOUT THIS: Keep the 2 on the range; hire about 3000 more officers like our budget reflects!
This whole "Get rid of X unit, disband those guys, I can’t have this so get rid of them" cry-baby pussy mentality HAS GOT TO FUCKING STOP! Pull your head out of your ass for a second and take a serious look around, WE ARE A DIVIDED DEPARTMENT! Divided translates to WEAK. I guarantee we are going to get fucked on this upcoming contract. Why? Cause we are weak! Way to much in-fighting, too many willing to toss someone else under the bus way too fast! The Bosses know this, 35th St knows this, J-Fraud knows this and the midget on the 5th floor banks on it every fucking day we don’t have a contract and still work our asses off!
At a time like this, we need to stick together! We need to show the FOP, the bosses and the City we mean business! However, we can’t do it as a bunch of individuals stabbing each other in the back.
SCC has an incredible conduit to pass information. There’s a way to regulate it, screen out the bullshit. With a little common scene, filter out any “Mis-Information” which may be posted from 35th ST (Don’t think J-Fraud is not beyond pulling a stunt like that on something as “insignificant” as SCC!). Expose the bullshit lies that are fed to us. However, we find it all too easy under the veil of anonymity to advocate the fucking over of one of our own.
Sad, man, real fucking sad……
Hello out there fellow tactical warriors!
The reason why we have no openings is because the brass aren't sure what to do after I opened up my own satellite station. Yep, you heard right. I found an old, abandoned "Dairy Queen" out in Mount Greenwood and decided to make it my own private headquarters in my ongoing quest to eradicate the G.A.Y.L.O.R.D. gang once and for all.
So far the Woman's Tactical Association has joined along with the special black-ops gun teams that target retired cops. Don't worry, all members are allowed to hang out and do nothing and still get paid on company time.
My facility is state of the art with top notch training equipment. I bought an old, mechanical bull from a country western bar out in Berwyn to simulate what it's like to wrestle and arrest an offender high on PCP. (I can only assume it's accurate since I've always let the lowly blue shirts take on one of those maniacs. As my idol Tobias once told me, "It takes a bigger man to walk away from a fight. Now, take off your pants and sit down with me on my Harley")
Qualifications are easy. All a prospecting member has to do is have gotten a C.R. number, at one time or another, against a fellow officer and have at least one phone call to get here.
And since I know the cops that read this blog are good at keeping a secret, my satellite station has a fully stocked, Apple Pucker, bar. Borat comes by now and then to play pin the tail on the Deputy D. Man! You should see that guy dance the "Ickey Shuffle" after a couple of shots!
Until next time fellow Delta Force warriors. Hope to see you there!
The city continues to ignore the contract. MLAS Commander O'Neil was formerly a rep for the Lt's union too. Now he is suckhole for the administration.
They ignore contract, I ignore orders. They fuck over PO's. I do nothing. This is as fucked up as I have ever seen this job and it isn't getting better. Now we hear at FOP meetings that a two tiered pension system is coming for new hires. It will continue to get worse, much worse. What then is to look forward to if there is no pension?
God help the people yet to be hired on this job.
WTF? MLAS couldn't perform this simple function during their 10 hour days they have at HQ? No one else in the building gets that schedule. Must be nice.
OT: But another waste of money in CPD budget. Unit 132, with a total of 36 officers, has a "District Manager" who does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Must be the CMDR's beo--h.
the city controls openings
WHY?
look to your contract
Local 2 knows what to put in a contract vs Markie and the boys
Most important "mandatory manning"
If Markie wasn't in the mayor's pocket (Markie's next job after mandatory exit from FOP Prez will illustrate how far up the mayor's rectum he is!!!)
If we had "mandatory manning" what a different world we would live in.
This goes to the heart of power of any union especially public service because the mayor can't export your job to Mexico or bid it out like the janitors.
"Mandatory manning would ensure either enough boots on the street or valuable call back $$$.
Markie has never never negotiated real benefits for members that would at least level the playing field..........DUMP ALL THE INSIDE GUYS.....starting with dougherty and bella DIMARIA is the only "real fraternal guy in FOP" because he is smart enough to stay out of the bullshit
wharej
unit 603
m" cry-baby pussy mentality HAS GOT TO FUCKING STOP! Pull your head out of your ass for a second and take a serious look around, WE ARE A DIVIDED DEPARTMENT! Divided translates to WEAKalso, why do they need 2 range guys...? Put one back on the street.
2/13/2010 09:26:00 AM
Way to throw your fellow copper under the bus!
I hope I don’t work with/for you!!!
HOW ABOUT THIS: Keep the 2 on the range; hire about 3000 more officers like our budget reflects!
This whole "Get rid of X unit, disband those guys, I can’t have this so get rid of them" cry-baby pussy mentality HAS GOT TO FUCKING STOP! Pull your head out of your ass for a second and take a serious look around, WE ARE A DIVIDED DEPARTMENT! Divided translates to WEAK. I guarantee we are going to get fucked on this upcoming contract. Why? Cause we are weak! Way to much in-fighting, too many willing to toss someone else under the bus way too fast! The Bosses know this, 35th St knows this, J-Fraud knows this and the midget on the 5th floor banks on it every fucking day we don’t have a contract and still work our asses off!
At a time like this, we need to stick together! We need to show the FOP, the bosses and the City we mean business! However, we can’t do it as a bunch of individuals stabbing each other in the back.
SCC has an incredible conduit to pass information. There’s a way to regulate it, screen out the bullshit. With a little common scene, filter out any “Mis-Information” which may be posted from 35th ST (Don’t think J-Fraud is not beyond pulling a stunt like that on something as “insignificant” as SCC!). Expose the bullshit lies that are fed to us. However, we find it all too easy under the veil of anonymity to advocate the fucking over of one of our own.
Sad, man, real fucking sad……
2/14/2010 01:30:00 AM
You are 110% correct!!!! I only wish scc would start deleting post where 1 officer rips on another. We can't look like we are divided. We will always have differences, just like a family. I believe if you are gonna criticize another officer, unless you sign your name to the post, the post should not be published. Post that are ok to publish are post where officers who have been found guilty of a crime and all options of appeal have been exhausted. Or a supervisor who is taking advantage of his/ her rank and violating our contract and the depts rules and regulations. It's time for us to change.
Anonymous said...
Although I've only been on seven years, in that relatively short time it has never been explained to me, nor can I find anyone who knows, how the Department decides who has openings and who does not. Now it seems to me, in the interest of fairness and transparency, our union and current superintendent would find a solution to this problem of obvious collusion.
2/14/2010 12:23:00 AM
Why do you expect fairness and transparency in this department? CPD does not owe you anything other than a job. Wake up officer. Clout rules.
Anonymous said...
also, why do they need 2 range guys...? Put one back on the street.
2/13/2010 09:26:00 AM
It is called officer safety, asshole. You have no idea of the lack of knowledge with officers who qualify every year. The mistakes and close calls. Officers that work the range actually work 8 hours a day. Why are such a bitter, little man?
there are way too many sellouts. guys in patrol fighting over scraps. all the people in management spots didnt go to the march and about half the tac and gang teams. i see alot of selfish people who think they re entitle to everything.we are our own worst enemy. was it worth it? did you really have to beg to get days? were you tired of wearing that uniform after a few years? can you look your fellow officers in the eyes? your inaction speaks volumes.
Isn't it the DC's office who let's headquarters know how many openings each district has. I remember our old DC's secretary sitting on how many actual openings we had so as to keep the riff raft out. Now we have all kinds of mutts in our once nice working district. These mutts don't do a damn thing. They don't even back themselves up. Thanks for a NEW lower standard of police.
also, why do they need 2 range guys...? Put one back on the street.
2/13/2010 09:26:00 AM
Way to throw your fellow copper under the bus!
I hope I don’t work with/for you!!!
HOW ABOUT THIS: Keep the 2 on the range; hire about 3000 more officers like our budget reflects!
This whole "Get rid of X unit, disband those guys, I can’t have this so get rid of them" cry-baby pussy mentality HAS GOT TO FUCKING STOP! Pull your head out of your ass for a second and take a serious look around, WE ARE A DIVIDED DEPARTMENT! Divided translates to WEAK. I guarantee we are going to get fucked on this upcoming contract. Why? Cause we are weak! Way to much in-fighting, too many willing to toss someone else under the bus way too fast! The Bosses know this, 35th St knows this, J-Fraud knows this and the midget on the 5th floor banks on it every fucking day we don’t have a contract and still work our asses off!
At a time like this, we need to stick together! We need to show the FOP, the bosses and the City we mean business! However, we can’t do it as a bunch of individuals stabbing each other in the back.
SCC has an incredible conduit to pass information. There’s a way to regulate it, screen out the bullshit. With a little common scene, filter out any “Mis-Information” which may be posted from 35th ST (Don’t think J-Fraud is not beyond pulling a stunt like that on something as “insignificant” as SCC!). Expose the bullshit lies that are fed to us. However, we find it all too easy under the veil of anonymity to advocate the fucking over of one of our own.
Sad, man, real fucking sad……
Well said. Too bad everyone doesn't think like you do...
O'Neill is an under-employed lawyer and the consumate suckhole. He so vigorously and gallantly represented the lieutenants association that the city punished him by promoting him to commander of the most clout and outfit riddled unit-next to the intelligence division-in the department. Can you guys get a clue, ever?
Anonymous said...
also, why do they need 2 range guys...? Put one back on the street.
2/13/2010 09:26:00 AM
Way to throw your fellow copper under the bus!
I hope I don’t work with/for you!!!
HOW ABOUT THIS: Keep the 2 on the range; hire about 3000 more officers like our budget reflects!
Old Revolver Cop Says; BRAVO!!!!!
Never said better, and i'm not a rangemaster or training person. Came on the job in the early '70's.
I will try to explain the 2 man range necessity. Many years ago(starwars) the range men were coming down with black lung disease from inhailing too much gunpowder, it can and will cause cancer. The EPA mandated that you can only spend x-number of hours exposed to those fumes, and even with the best air filtration systems, you still breath that stuff all day long. They found this out in the early '80's at 025 when they had to shut down the entire range for over a year (that was just one example).
Can you run a range with just 1 man? Probably yes, many of the suburbs do it, BUT they do not have hundreds of officers showing up to fire every day.
It would take one man two to three times as long to do it alone, and lets face it, we are not robots.
It's a safety issue. That's why they alternate who works the range and who works the desk to check people in.
And if you ever watch officers coming in to get ready to shoot, it's a wonder we don't have more accidental shootings in the waiting areas.
I prefer to go to a private facility and practice shooting. Your ammo, targets, etc., expenses are all tax deductable.
And more important, after reading most of these comments on the blog, I have to agree with the people of not trying to do more with less, we need more coppers.
The City is not now, nor will it ever be your buddy. Management could care less about us. They are only concerned about that GOLD STAR and the perks (which are getting to be less every day, mandatory furlo days, etc.)
Quit Bitching about the FOP! If you want to change it, start going to every meeting and sign in so you will be able to run in the next election (if you do not have the required number of meetings under your belt, you will be ineligible to be nominated and run).
It's OUR problem, stick together and quit picking everything apart!
Life is not Fair, so learn to live with what you have and work to make it a better working place.
p.s. to the 7 year guy. Glad you finally woke up and smelled the coffee. Nothing is legit on this job anymore, as if it ever was.
The annointed ones will always get that spot you wanted, no matter how hard you worked or studied for it (clout rules in this town).
Being a company man will get you nowhere but frustrated.
Since we STILL do not have a contract and the short one is doing everything possible to delay it's outcome, do ONLY what you have to survive every day. Drive with Extreme care and obey the SPEED LIMITS when going on those calls, NEVER go ALONE even if you are foolish enough to work a 1 man car, wait for a backup, ALWAYS!
And most important, use common sense. The Brass love to give orders to make them look good but they are not always legit orders!
Don't throw each other under the bus like j-fed does!
AMEN Brothers and Sisters!
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JUSTICE IS SERVED
"At a time like this, we need to stick together! We need to show the FOP, the bosses and the City we mean business! However, we can’t do it as a bunch of individuals stabbing each other in the back."
YOU'RE RIGHT & TIME TO STOP SELLING EACH OTHER OUT TO GET ON TACT,GANGS,UNIT STEADY BEAT CAR.
TAKE YOURSELF FOR INSTANCE MOST LIKELY THE BIGGEST SPINELESS SACKLESS SELLOUT PIECE OF GARBAGE EVER TO DISGRACE THE BADGE.
Pull your head out of your ass for a second and take a serious look around, WE ARE A DIVIDED DEPARTMENT! Divided translates to WEAK.
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Interesting argument.
Is our union weak because street coppers are finally complaining that their workload has quadrupled, while portions of their fellow coppers use clout and other personal connections to get into units that by and large get way more perks and do way less work?
OR, perhaps our union is weak because too many coppers don't like it when senority dictates their assigment. These coppers want their perks now. So, they use their family members, their friends, and their family members' friends to get an assignment that gives them their perks NOW without senority.
The only thing a copper has who has no clout, is senority.
All specialized units in this department should have minimum standards. Physical tests, time on the street, minimum arrest requirements, minimum ticket requirements, shooting ability, and education (if such an education is actually required by the assigment).
Once you reach those minimum standards the decision should be made...by senority.
It's the coppers who flocked to the made-up management units that have dissolved our negotiating power. They are the ones who turned their back on our union when they gave up contract provisions to get an assignment they didn't put the time in to earn.
But fear not. It will all even out in the end because in 5 years all assigments, including district assigments, will be management picks. And when this union is finally and totally dissolved in the next 5-10 years today's political dollies will be the ones to get screwed over by the new generation of political hacks. And the officers who fed into the bullshit clout system that we have today will get to live full time in the sewer they created. Senior officers in a department that doesn't give a crap how much time you have.
Although I've only been on seven years, in that relatively short time it has never been explained to me, nor can I find anyone who knows, how the Department decides who has openings and who does not. Now it seems to me, in the interest of fairness and transparency, our union and current superintendent would find a solution to this problem of obvious collusion. Then it dawns on me that our current union leadership is worth to us about as much as the superintendent. That is to say, I have as much faith in that weasel called superintendent as I do for the thieves called our union leadership. Those bums put up a facade of caring and action onto the most mundane and trivial of issues in an effort to fleece us into believing they are fighting for our contractual rights. Now what do ya think MLAS is gonna say when the mighty and fearsome FOP calls them? I'm guessing something along the lines of, "oh yeah, I'll take care of it later. Anything else? No? Ok." Click. It's time for us to realize how impotent, ineffectual, and untrustworthy the current FOP truly is. Please start going to meetings or writing emails letting these lemmings know their bullshit isn't working and to step up or step down.
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Hey Dude, you still dont know what your talking about. Have you ever gone to a union meeting? I never saw you "step up" and tell Donahue he was full of shit. Have you ever seen the complete lack of participation from the membership on almost any issue? The only thing the FOP membership does with any regularity and accuracy, is bitch and complain. If our members could pull thier heads out from thier asses, things would be much different, or maybe even somewhat different. You cant just sit back, and expect everyone to do everything for you, participate or be quiet. Hope you learned something for the rest of your career, it's not going to get easier by itself.
...as for the IGNORANT statement about the range man power......GO SHIT ON SOMEONE ELSE! 2 are needed for "safety" f**k head. AND no I do not work the range.
ALL the bullcrap from some of you people. STAND TOGETHER NOT APART! Can't wait...2 more years!
Can we all stick together and stop bashing each other.
Ultimate Tactical Warrior, you are one funny dude. Your posts make me laugh. I was a hard worker and thought with enough hard work, I could join the tact team. Boy was I wrong. Your posts remind me how foolish and dumb I was and reminds me of old memories. Keep up the humorous posts.
Hell I bet half of us lose our pension because we dont stick together when they screw us. We have only ourselves to blame!
Ultimate Tactical Warrior, you are the best. I love your sense of humor, no matter what anyone says. Please keep me laughing.
Where is the ULTIMATE TAC WARRIOR?
Perhaps MLAS could not find enough time to put the vacancies out. I mean they work a tough schedule, 4-3. Those 10hr days are tough and all those 3 day weekends! With everything else you also want the vacancies posted on time? C'mon give MLAS a break already!
THERES ROOM FOR HAMILTON ON SWAT THOUGH. GUEE HOW MANY OF US CAN GET PAID TO TRY OUT FOR A UNIT ON COMPANY TIME RAY? ALL THAT AND YOUR TAKE HOME CAR TOO?
This whole "Get rid of X unit, disband those guys, I can’t have this so get rid of them" cry-baby pussy mentality HAS GOT TO FUCKING STOP!
Why? Are you that afraid of working the watch???
It's been confirmed, yet not yet made common knowledge:
All the goofs finally assigned to the area gun/gang teams will be sent to districts either starting the 6th or 7th period (still to be determined).
There is a MAJOR reshuffling of manpower coming. Unfortunately for those that signed-up for the glory of being on an "elite" area team will have NO say-so as to where they'll be assigned. EXPECT TO WIND UP ANYWHERE MANPOWER IS SHORT, BOYS AND GIRLS. And that means any watch, also. Since you are no longer "detailed", but "assigned" to the area teams, you have given up your rights to get back to your district of origin.
Initiative "Clean Slate" (that's one of the names the brass is kicking around) will end the existence of MSF, TRU, Area Gang/Gun Teams, etc., and ship the patrolmen from these units back to the districts. Only after all manpower in the districts is brought up to snuff will they consider re-forming SOME variation of the disbanded units, but in much smaller numbers.
All you clout babies better start making your calls now. Midnights in the Deuce may be your next assignment.
There's going to be a lot of disgruntled "hard chargers" coming to a district near you in the near future.
And now the bombshell: All this reshuffling is in the works courtesy of a certain boss that resembles a wrestler.
You heard it here first folks.
Commander Don O'Neil needs to be ousted!!
after 34 yrs on this job, I can't believe that we have sunken to all time lows, 1st we have no representation from our unions, they all collect good money to work for us but it seem like we continue to vote these deadbeats in, they all run on a forum of promises but when they get elected and do nothing we reward them ,and re-elect them, in these tough times we seem like we just don't care as the city steamrolls us into a BULLSHIT contract, we will get nothing and these clowns will still be living high on the hog, going here and there on our union money, but thenm they just say hey it's union business and you guys don't realize how hard we work for you.
34 years..dude!get out and move someplace warm!screw this..im strugglin to make 20!!
'The City is not now, nor will it ever be your buddy. Management could care less about us. They are only concerned about that GOLD STAR and the perks (which are getting to be less every day, mandatory furlo days, etc.)'
I got news for you. WEISel/Masters don't give a damn about the Gold stars either...at least the ones who were there when they arrived.
All specialized units in this department should have minimum standards. Physical tests, time on the street, minimum arrest requirements, minimum ticket requirements, shooting ability, and education (if such an education is actually required by the assigment).
Once you reach those minimum standards the decision should be made...by senority.
It's the coppers who flocked to the made-up management units that have dissolved our negotiating power. They are the ones who turned their back on our union when they gave up contract provisions to get an assignment they didn't put the time in to earn.
But fear not. It will all even out in the end because in 5 years all assigments, including district assigments, will be management picks. And when this union is finally and totally dissolved in the next 5-10 years today's political dollies will be the ones to get screwed over by the new generation of political hacks. And the officers who fed into the bullshit clout system that we have today will get to live full time in the sewer they created. Senior officers in a department that doesn't give a crap how much time you have.
While I agree there shold be some sort of criteria for getting into units, especially Marine, Mounted, K-9, SWAT, but come on not all of them, Mass Transit? what the requirement for that absolute dog unit?
I disagree about senority, the fact is that if all units were by senority, all the units would be filled by complete dogs who once there would have no fear of being dumped for lack of productivity, a sad but true fact, look at Mass Transit and Ohare, anyone there by senority is there to retire and do nothing with the union protection of SENORITY.
Anyone care to agree or disagree?
To: The Dickhead stealing my pudding
From: The pudding owner
Subject: The theft of my pudding.
R/O is requesting that whoever is stealing R/O's pudding from the fridge in 017th Dist vending area, stop immediately, before surveilence is conducted, and complaints are signed. In reviewing station video, while not able to see your face, R/O has determined that you wear a black broad-brimmed hat, a half mask that covers your, eyes/nose, a black and white horizontally stripped long sleeve shirt, black pants, and a black cape. Once I figure out who the purple gumdrop shaped motherfecker who was with you is, it's your ass!
SIGNED:
PO CHARLES U FARLEY
#00001 017TH DIST.
APPROVED:
"Qualifications are easy. All a prospecting member has to do is have gotten a C.R. number, at one time or another, against a fellow officer and have at least one phone call to get here."
I got help pulling my foot out of my ass from a fellow officer on Weed St few years back, and to show my thanks and gratitude I slithered back to my bestest Sgt in 008 to initiate the CR# because my feelings were hurt. That puts me right at the head, bucko!
2/15/2010 01:38:00 AM
Agreed, but like in private industry as you climb the totem pole with years on your job gets better,seniority must still mean something! When you get time on the job then you will appreciate seniority even more!
the duece is staffed try midnights in 003,007,008,011 ,and 015!uh oh!time to live up to your billing as elite!lets c what u got!!stranger is no danger !welcome home!!!
This whole "Get rid of X unit, disband those guys, I can’t have this so get rid of them" cry-baby pussy mentality HAS GOT TO FUCKING STOP!
Why? Are you that afraid of working the watch???
2/14/2010 07:32:00 PM
Afraid? Me? Fuck no! I drive a shitty blue and white on the 3rd watch in a Dist in A-1. I've been doing it for a while, and enjoy where I am. Anything else?
Most important "mandatory manning"
If Markie wasn't in the mayor's pocket (Markie's next job after mandatory exit from FOP Prez will illustrate how far up the mayor's rectum he is!!!)
If we had "mandatory manning" what a different world we would live in.
This goes to the heart of power of any union especially public service because the mayor can't export your job to Mexico or bid it out like the janitors.
"Mandatory manning would ensure either enough boots on the street or valuable call back $$$.
Markie has never never negotiated real benefits for members that would at least level the playing field..........DUMP ALL THE INSIDE GUYS.....starting with dougherty and bella DIMARIA is the only "real fraternal guy in FOP" because he is smart enough to stay out of the bullshit
Be careful what you wish for, if we had mandatory manning ALOT of people would be getting their comp time denied, personal days and bfd's only and then coppers would be bitching about that so now what?
Agreed, but like in private industry as you climb the totem pole with years on your job gets better,seniority must still mean something! When you get time on the job then you will appreciate seniority even more!
Sorry but I have 17 years on so i'm not really concerned about it, I just think making all units by senority would ruin those units, which is why the department doesn't allow it, because they know it too...
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