Ignorant Comment
This one appeared in our comment section the day before yesterday in response to someone wanting certain units disbanded to bolster patrol:
- to the dirt bag saying disband the units:
F*** YOU, units are the only ones doing anything out there. if you arent making an arrest a day working a beat car you have no room to talk s***.
go have your 3rd lunch of the day and come back to talk to me. yes, we are short on officers, but that doesnt mean we put "working officers" on meaningless beat cars to handle back logs.
-working copper
As far as we're concerned, there's only one dirt-bag in this conversation.
"Working officers"? "Meaningless beat cars"? These are the words of an idiot and a clout baby who spent little to no time in a beat car. And claiming anyone gets three lunches? Newsflash Einstein - units not tied to the radio are those beneficiaries, not us in the trenches. Asshat.
"Working officers"? "Meaningless beat cars"? These are the words of an idiot and a clout baby who spent little to no time in a beat car. And claiming anyone gets three lunches? Newsflash Einstein - units not tied to the radio are those beneficiaries, not us in the trenches. Asshat.
Labels: silly people
posted by SCC at 1:05 AM
180 Comments:
Come on SCC, they don't take three lunches...they take 3hr lunches. A day in the life of a unit...
-Show up for work an hour late
-roll call for an hour
-three hour lunch
-one hour running personal errands
-two hour DOPW pinch
-leave two hours early
Repeat
GFY. Beat cars are the frontline. Just because you were a dog before you got your sacred unit spot doesn't give you any room to trash talk. Officers on beat cars see more in a week than you see in a month. Step back in a beat car and learn the job.
This person is the perfect example of the response you get when you hit them with the truth. Someone tell this person that the basic police unit is patrolling in a beat car and all the others are for support. Everyone classified 9161 is the same. So Mr/s Working Police are you a 9161? Your only out of a beat car by grace/clout. Not by performance.
I agree with disbanding some of the units.
On the other hand, I kind of agree with the original commenter.
He is right about the 3 lunches too. I say if half of the beat cars did their job, the backlogs wouldn't be as bad. Instead you got people taking 25-30 minutes or more on a 5B disturbance. Why are they taking so long? Because they're hiding away somewhere bullshitting while other coppers respond to jobs on their beat.
I don't expect every copper to get arrests or be super aggressive. I expect every copper on my watch to answer and finish their jobs in a timely fashion, back up fellow officers, and respond to a job if it is near you.
I got my phone call after probation and will never speak to a filthy beat car cop again.
MSF is a pretty good gig, from what I hear. 10 hour day...OK, come in, work out for 2 hours, then go eat for 2 hours, travel time to ghetto district, 0.5-1 hour, including coffee. that leaves 5 hours to find an arrest in a ghetto district and process the arrestee. Not too difficult. Yeah, you all are making a HUGE impact on the crime level in 007, 011, 015, 003, and 006. HUGE impact. Beware casual cannabis users! Beware!
What a douche.
Wow!!! I never thought I'd see the day that anyone would refer to a beat car as meaningless.
Just smile and wave boys.....just smile and wave.
what a douchebag, somebody give this guy a hug. he's special!
Having worked in a unit before I never forgot where I came from which was a beat car. Now I'm back pushing one again. There are plenty of great coppers that never get the chance to work in a unit and can work circles around anyone in a unit. However that being said there is a lot of dead wait in patrol and in units. Locking people up is only one aspect of police work. I have respect for the Guy that brings in a few movers everyday or does all the accidents in the district because it kept me from having to do it since i wanted to lock people up. The real police respect any other officer that is a worker no matter what the work they do is. And as it is clearly evident by the above post this Guy isn't the real police.
I'd like to see how long this "unit puss" would actually last on a beat car. It is so easy to talk shit when these unit people never really dealt with the animal for a longer period of time.
The tables have been turned and SCC is a bit miffed. Awww! I've been in a beat car in four different districts and now in one of those units with no clout. Yeah hard to believe. So why so much hating on people that decided to tell their district goodbye and suck it?
This comment clearly shows why Chicago police officers don't stand up for their rights as one strong group. The useless leadership purposely created the divide and conguer method to keep total control in their hands. The leadership created these units and filled them up by personal selection. The units are told to make arrests, any arrests just so the fucking leadership will look good on paper. It's all about numbers and you know it shithead. I did more work on a beat car in one night than you did in a week. We know how things work. The boss says I want arrests and then you can go home early. The quality of arrests doesn't matter. Who gets the fucking call of three people shot? The beat car does! The "special" units just drive by to see if they can catch the offender and get all the credit. The beat car has to do all the paperwork. The "special" units are gone in a second and you don't see them for the rest of the night. You can have your special unit if you want, but don't shit on the beat coppers and try to tell us you are special. All police officers should stick together.
What a fuckin tool. Maybe they should disband patrol and put everyone in a unit assclown, since manning the districts is so meaningless, jerk off.
This clout baby burns me up, how about those officers who lock people up and answer the radio in a beat car only to never make a unit, and deal with shit bosses, court deviations, face lawsuits, and CR#'s. The arrogance of this post, plus we go to domestics and face a back log. Thanks for the back up Unit man.
Moron....plain and simple. Clout or not - this guy is a douchebag. I say, if he's such a big deal then he should step up and identify himself so we can all be "working officers" like him. Best part is that he probably works tact in a slow district. Take off your jeans, lose the hair gel - and come be the real police. What a dumbass.
OT: Thursday morning on 890 am mark donahue says cpd is only down 800 coppers.
What a F'ing joke!!This has got to be an MSF or TRU Superstar. Working Police....Sure you are. These so-called aboved named elite units only arrest crackheads or pissers one at a time and down the 3 cars it took for you to apprehend this offender!! Admit it asshats...how bout you leave that 3 man car and wolfpacking 3 cars deep and roll 10-99 on 1st or 3rd watch in 6,7,3 Dist..etc!!You superstars realize your little phone call wont keep you from having you arse handed to you from some real Offenders rather than the crackheads on 79th and Cottage you Supercops scoop up.Its easy to have all that fancy equipment you bought to match you Carbine that you cant wait to bring out for show when you have 2 cars with you on every stop. How about you work a two man car in a busy Dist without your little phone call clic to back you up and then you can speak about work STAT boy!!! Order your Camo colored Safari land ANOV holder attachment for your Carbine.Working Police...thats rich....Any Beat Cops Disagree about these Superstars???
In 27 years in the Chicago Police Dept, I learned lots of things about police officers. One thing I learned is that the nicer the spot that a copper is assigned to, the more they will bitch and moan and cry about how terrible this fu*king job is.
Another is that the more a copper bad mouths other coppers about how good a policeman they are or how much activity or arrests they produce, the more likely it is that they are throwing up a smoke screen to cover up for their own woefully lacking activity.
You learn a lot during 17 years of doing efficiency cards in the Patrol Division!
He probably works Area 5 saturation team.......
This "working copper" looks like a 2 year wonder who probably started in an A/3 District and now thinks he's a cowboy b/c he's either in TRU or MSF saving the world.
Anonymous said...
OT - Has anyone else noticed the FOP website doesn't seem to be able to update their "Current" Death Notices?
They are still showing the 15th of July with Thor Soderberg but NO MENTION is even made about Michael Bailey's death or his wake tomorrow.
How hard can it be for Mark or one of the boys to update it every day? It seems damn disrespectful to me!
7/21/2010 10:56:00 PM
Two days later and Michael Bailey's info is still not here.
TODAY IS THE FUNERAL FOP! WHAT'S UP?
http://www.chicagofop.org/Death_Notices.html
I'm in a unit; and i never think of the Beat officers as meaningless. the comment IS ignorant. the guys answering jobs all day have the toughest job in the department.
Divide and conquer works again. Here's an idea, when you are done attacking Patrol, go after the inside people. When you are done with them, go after the Dic's. Don't forget your partner, I heard he's sleeping with your wife. We all know how true rumers are. Then go after yourself, all pigs are nuthin' but another Abati.
Asshat.
Thanks for doing Daley's work for him. Now we know why we got such a great contract.
I understand ehy the officer made those comments. He is terrified of loosing his spot in a unit and working a beat car. A percentage of those assigned to units are soooo afraid of working a beat car in a district that they would sell their souls. I feel for every offcier working beat cars. Non-stop calls and lunches frequently denied. Time due denied. Treated very poorly by bosses. I have sympathy for this officer who is so scred that he posts this stupid ignorant comment.
Every unit serves its function in Chicago. Why does this have to be a Johnson waving contest?
Simply put. There are NOT enough Police. If you emptied the desk,and every other hide job in CPD there STILL would NOT be enough police. In fighting isnt going to solve a damn thing gentlemen. What we NEED to do is crank down in the "hot areas" and do what we know how to do. The attitude of "Im not doing this or that" isnt going to fly anymore. We need to get our streets back under some sort of control. With these threats being made,we NEED to be VERY COGNIZANT of our surroundings and BE CAREFUL. If you remember what a shadow car is then I strongly suggest that that type of Street Policing returns.BAck eachother up and HELP EACHOTHER and enough of this "im better than you" nonsense.
Yes, truly an asshat. Disrespect for fellow officers. Go fuck yourself.
Keep working kid. do you even know what a 99b is? or the difference between type a and type b is
---working copper
What a jagbag. Spokenlike a true cloutbaby hairgel. I don't know how many fucken times I had to bail these idiots out after they did something stupid.
Once it was 50 below 0 (windchill)at 2 in the morn and they searched a citizens car threw his back seat in humbolt park then threw his keys in the snow -lost. The guy wasn't even a banger but of course they couldn't tell a latin king from an insane busboy. Needless to say I had to take the guy home be cause he was 4 miles from there and he would have froze to death. He said the unmarked car with 3 jagoffs in it (in there 20's or early 30's) laughed and drove away.
It is incidents like these that made me tell my recruits that not to be a piece of shit if you go to the back. Of course the clouted recruits only heard, "yack yack yack when you go to the back". nothing else. I have countless stories of clout baby unit types fucking up and what pieces of shit some of them are. And I always loved the 2 year wonder "send me a paper car" shit.
They SHOULD disband units such as MSF, TRU, Area Gun and Gang.
Put ALL those bodies back into patrol ON beat cars.
These units are not making any kind of meaningful activity. So they should go back to answering the radio and would be a huge asset in patrol.
Must be one of the under five year wonders in the TRU or MSF unit, who believe they are the only working police. Get Real go fine your dime bag and brag about your arrest you jagoff.
I worked in a unit. They are filled with clout baby, paper jumping, bearded lady's who expect that they can turn in a slip when they can't leave early. They wear their caps backwards cause they're catchers (they take it in the ass). Don't you ever disregard a beat car again assmouth.
In 025 we have some hotshot three year wonders who always brag how great they are, how stupid the beat patrolmen are, etc... at the picnic table located outside.
Oh look at me, I am in plainclothes and you are not is their attitude and everyone else is lazy, isn't brave (brave to lock up drinkers, pissers, etc....).
Ok, this post is a perfect example of how we sabotage ourselves. There are workers and dogs in every unit and district.
With that said, in this time of sadness as another brother in blue is laid to rest, we should come together as a family to support and praise one another.
God Bless Michael Bailey. May you rest in peace.
Amen.
I am sick of these jagoffs with a few years (and clout) on the job who have a sense of entitlement and feel that they are better then most.
Look, if you are so foolish as to go out there during these times and chase idiots around for a bag of weed that is on you. If you fuck up or get sued this department, city and sup won't have your back (see Cozzi).
The same idiot who made that comment is the same d-bag that will go to some bar, get drunk and do something stupid (see Abbate).
One day you will fuck up or even worse simply be accused of fucking up- at that time you will see how this wonderful department, city and sup will hang your ass out to dry. Then and only then, you will find out how smart you are not.
You want to run and gun fine. You want to chase a bag of weed great. But don't you dare persume to say those things you said and not be called an asshat.
FREE COZZI
When I read that comment from the unit baby yesterday I thought too that he sounded like a pompous ass. Sounds like a neighbor of mine who retired as an exempt and went on to a six figure salary in the private sector. He once told me "units are where the workers are." I asked him how he would classify someone like me who spent his entire career in districts, in uniform, mostly first watch. He stopped talking. The most time this guy spent in patrol was as a captain. And these fuckers think they are special. I was in my late 20's when I came on having served in the army then getting my bachelor's degree and working a crappy job for three years before the CPD. What I never learned was how to play the kiss ass game like these special unit people and I have no regrets whatsoever. Next year I'll have my 29 and a day and I'll leave happily knowing that I never screwed over another copper or kissed a bosses ass. As for the heroes in units who like to disparage those in patrol...keep your pucker muscles strong because you're only a dump away.
Give them hell! We have the same idiots in the burbs!
Sounds like a pussy to me.
Special units making arrests? Gee, what I've seen is one of those cars makes an arrest and the whole unit goes down on it. Just a bunch of one rock wonders or drinker busts.
I've spent time in units and in districts. While the original poster did a poor job of getting his point across, units ARE needed. The simple fact is this city needs units that aren't specifically tied down to assignments.
If the district is in a backlog, its in a backlog. So right now, shenequa has to wait 4 hours for her "my baby daddy jumped on me" report, or the burglary victim waits 4 hours for their paper. Ad an additional 2 or 3 cars to the sheets, and there is still a backlog, but now shenequa only has to wait an hour-and-a-half, or 2 hours for the burglary paper.
The "free safety" is necessary, because if you look at the arrests in i-clear, it speaks for itself. For 1 recent week in 003 for example, there were 8 UUW arrests(with uuw as the first charge). Of that, 3 were from MSF, 2 were from GEU, 2 were from TRU, and 1 was from 003 tact. None from district watch personnel. Proactive and aggressive police who aren't tied down are the ones catching dude creeping down the gangway with a pistol, and preventing violent crime. Taking those pistols off the streets might have saved an officers life.
But I think the districts do need more people, we are just waaaaay to short everywhere is the bottom line.
In this time of great sorrow, can't we band together? We are being attacked on the streets, on duty, off duty, at our own homes on traffic stops, in front of our parents.....vilified in the media, and newspapers.
For once, please stand together. Honor the fallen, past and present...go down to 35th and Michigan and look at the case of fallen stars.....men, women, black, white, Hispanic, patrolmen, sgts., detectives, Lts. a deputy Supt., a lock up keeper from 14, Bomb and Arson detective, female youth officer, coming to the aid of school children, probationary officers, those with a few months left to go before retirement, Sergeant James L. Severin and Officer Anthony N. Rizzato killed by sniper fire in Cabrinni.......The 18, yes 18 officers that were killed by gunfire between 1967 and 1969. 18 in three years!!!! BY GUN FIRE.
One thing in common!!!!!
They were all Chicago's Finest
Prayers to our fallen and their survivors.
Area Four Detective
Sorry SCC, I work in a unit and have no clout (every dog has his or her day and I had mine). I don't even know what lunch is. Unless you count lunch as typing a report in front of a computer while inhaling whatever I bought at a drive through on my way in.
The ignorant comment was wrong. Some districts are very busy and the officers have to hump day in and day out. That being said the Patrol division is overloaded with do nothings. Go to some slow districts lets say in Area 3 and you will find guys who haven't been the complainant on a arrest in years. That is a straight up do nothing coward in my book.
Units are created to give some clout supervisor hack a better spot. The unit also creates more overpaid secretary's who are useless. The benefit of more units has been a massive increase in search warrants and seizures of cash. The reality is district level law enforcement is quaint and outdated. The shitheads don't have district or area boundries. The gangbanger works from the cell phone and goes where he or she wants. Information the good beat cop can give a detective/investigator/gangs/narcotics can be easily acquired from a good CI. Thats just the way it is.
The Patrol division shot itself in the foot when it quit working or doing the minimum and generated little revenue. When I was a beat cop I never came in with zero's unless I was stuck at the hospital or guarding a scene for the tour. Thats why I have had the chances to work Tact, Gangs, and in a Unit.
I wholeheartedly agree that the vast majority of bosses on this job are over their heads and have serious penis envy. I have kept the bosses out of my hair by doing some work.
Day in and day out I talk to officers from every area of the city. I always ask how their bosses are. The guys who tell the truth are easy to spot. The whiner and crier only knows how to complain. The guy who says the boss is a stroke but leaves me alone is the one to trust. I ask why does he leave you alone. The guy says I don't hit the medical, keep some time on the books , and bring in some activity every week. Thats all any of us have to do.
What a hell of a thing to say. Whomever said that must truly believe it and in my opinion doesn't belong on the job. Beat cars (Officers) are the most meaningful thing on this job.
OT, but, I was wondering who was in charge of deciding what uniform to wear for a police funeral. No blouse? No white gloves? (black gloves at a previous funeral? That's not even part of the uniform) Have we become so soft that we can't even wear the proper dress uniform to honor our fallen brother? Just a current trend that was bothering me...
This is funny. Do we need all these units? Probably not. For some reason people think the GEU is new......Its not, Gang Teams were moved to the areas like it used to be when I first got on. Do we need MSF, TRU? Maybe just MSF. Do you need midnight gang teams in A/3....NO! But all this fighting. WOW! Its kind of difficult now to move, but if you have about 6-9 years on and couldnt get on a tact team or gang team or any type of unit.....Sorry I have news for you....you my friend are the problem. I know guys that move from place to place and have been miserable where ever they are. Its just like those guys complaining about lawsuits. I hear them complain then ask. Have you ever been sued? 9 out of 10 times the answer is no and they have less than 5 years on.
I got a kick out of this one too. Listen here skippy, maybe you tripped over your combat boots with your uniform pants tucked into them, I don't know, what I do know is I've split my 12yrs between units and a beat car and I accomplished far more in a beat car. The time spent dicking around is such a waste, all of these units need to start getting disbanded with the exception of maybe narcotics. I would guarantee a huge difference in crime. But they won't and business will carry on as usual....
You know, I don't have a problem with the teams like TRU or MSF per se. But a little leadership goes a long way, as does attitude - which is a reflection of leadership. If these units are not available for jobs because they have standing missions to actively look for people, then fine. So long as they have their ears up and roll on some hot jobs to help ease the load, then fine. I'm a big boy and I can deal with that. But it should be stressed from their leadership that they are supplemental to District patrol and not above it. Lose the attitude. If you grab somebody off my call and it turns out to just be some misedmeanor, dont just dump the guy YOU grabbed into my car and drive away. Dont just drive off without a word. This post sums up the shit attitude that many in these units have, endorsed by the silence of their leaders. 'meaningless beat cars' - GFY.
Lets work TOGETHER on this shit. It's not about being a super crime fighter or having a shitload of 'awards' - it's about us, each other. We need to be united.
Who the FUCK ARE YOU to make a comment like that? It sounds trite, but the beat car is the true backbone of the police department. I've been in the patrol division my whole career and proud of it. You may think it is beneath you, but the vast majority out there are proud. Most of the stars on the wall are regular Joe PO who were killed as they worked a beat car.
Special units are fine, but only if there is truly enough manpower to support them. We don't have the manpower to support them.
When I came on the job 25 years ago, we were tripping all over ourselves out there with all the POs out there. Foot posts were all manned. All the beat cars were manned with two POs. All the sector cars were manned with two POs. 5 Sgts and a Field Lt were always up. Not this BS we have to deal with now.
My district on days had to have a Sgt come in very early to cover midnights because they had no street supervision from 0300-0500. We lost 4 Sgts to retirement in 4 weeks and it will be getting worse in November.
This job was ruined when they began to require college. People like you ruined it when you put that college education out there and all that BS critical thinking. The only thinking you need out there is quick thinking on your feet, not some BS philosophy taught by a college professor who never has set foot out of academia.
I was 4 years USMC, followed by a couple years of a job where work and results were expected. The day I came on, was the proudest day of my life and I am still proud of the job that I do.
I went to college while on this job, paid for by the City and got into many discussions with teachers who never had a real job in their life.
Now we get these kids who have never really had a job where toil, sweat, tears, sore bodies and exhaustion were the norm everyday. You damn kids think the world owes you a living-you come from the generation where everyone got a trophy at little league and everyone tripped over you lavishing praise. Not everyone wins a trophy in life.
Do we have lazy coppers? You bet. Do we have coppers that bust there ass out there, day in and day out? You bet and they far outnumber the dogasses.
You got this one right SSC, this guy thinks he is super-cop with probably less than two years on the job and thinks being the blue jean police is the real police. He probably has plenty of numbers for drinkers and juvenile arrest. We know the kind, they have always been there and clout heavy. The Beat car is the real police with no perks as other Units.
That is the problem with this department. Everyone who works in a special secret unit or tact or gang actually truly believe that they are super cops. They actually believe they are to good to work patrol.
News flash, if we were as special as we think we are we wouldn't be a cop. Cops get this attitude about themselves that they are better then most because they are the police. They tend to get this complex about themselves. The truth is we are only average because if we were so great why would we be just a cop. Why wouldn't we do something that makes us much wealthier and doesn't put us in such danger.
Also, if we were so great why are we in the news every few weeks for doing something stupid.
I worked beat cars, tact teams, gang teams and special units. So, I have seen the egos.
Why cant we all just go back to districts and work the beat cars and handle the bs jobs that the great mayor daley states we should. Why can't we all get along and learn how to work together as one big happy family. This fighting within the department is what allows the city to keep shitting on us. So until we all learn how to work together we will continue to be shit on,
Lets just get rid of the ego and realize we all make the same money no matter if you push a beat car or work in a unit. We have to stop being so selfish and think of the big picture not just our little peice of the pie. We must all stand united.
Another asshole that thinks doing his one baggers everyday means that he's a "working" copper and the guys on the beat cars are all dogs. You sure are quick to call a beat car or the wagon to transport all your trash to the area or call for a "PAPER CAR" after you find, dig up, or stir up some shit that didn't turn out to be an easy arrest for you. Before everyone in a unit or on a tact team goes nuts, I know alot of you are good hard working coppers that don't belittle the beat cop like that so my little rant is not meant for you. People need to understand that generating numbers is not the only work that needs to be done on this job. Some fucks have gone to a unit or tact team so quick in their careers that they don't know any better. I've had nights where I knock out 6 or 7 case reports or handled 4 DOA's in a single night. There's no activity to check off with though so I must be a dog. I'd rather arrest some stinky shit bum for CTTL in the projects than handle the above scenarios any night. The beat cop deals with alot of bullshit, trust me. You just don't get to see alot of it.
Hey unit guy. Come out to a district. Show us how it's done clout boy.
If only we could institute the targeted strike force, all our problems would be solved.
So it's more beneficial to ride around in a three man wolf pack doing traffic stops and then have all six guys go down on the one bagger you get?
Typical mindless new young so called warrior who has no understanding of basic police work.
Didnt earn the spot the old way...by working a beat or rapid,learning the players,the district,how to talk to people....which ultimately leads to being able to draw out information
Just run and gun like a mindless thug...which is what this city wants. Non thinking police
Thanks SCC. Ive been waiting for a thread like this..." I agree that these units should be closed or pared way down to the top performers Felony wise. What good are MCC charges on Juveniles, or reckless conduct charges about the police showing up and everyone is throwing bottles, and shouting gang slogans. Then running between traffic causing nearby citizenry to become alarmed? Its just another form of the old DC. One of these days the city is going to get the pants sued off of them for Unit officers flowering up an arrest report or two when a taxpayer funded blue light camera shows that the whole scenerio was fabricated. Fair warning to the intelligent. Stop selling yourselves out to keep a spot on your team...I will not purchase a ticket to your benefit when you go down in flames due to your own literary license. We are sworn officers and held to a higher standard. Please give your integrity a check before its too late!
At least the people in one town are calling out their managers for having over-inflated salaries. Maybe if there were one other journalist in this town besides Kass, someone would look at the superintendent's salary and question why he is making almost as much as Obama for doing half the work he was contracted to do. After being stripped of his homeland security duties he should have been stripped of half his salary.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100723/ap_on_re_us/us_bell_salaries
Sounds like maybe his chinaman is on his death bead?
Hey Asshat, patrol is the backbone of this department and units are supposed to provide support functions for patrol, at least that was how it was years ago. Now, like everything else, Daley has turned that upside down too! Daley is creating all these units as a way to get around and undermine the FOP contract and avoid the hot button issue of beat realignment. And your so young and dumb you happily play right along. You are a prime example why this city walks all over us. Keep patting yourself on the back because nobody else is.
An arrest a day?
Sounds like a quota.
For what?
Virtually all of the arrests I make are for domestics. Of course I guess I could start making some massive weed arrests. Found a guy the other day with one or two joints.
That'll make the bosses proud. I read in a book a cop wrote about one of his coworkers who started arresting people for not riding with lights on their bicycles at night. The bosses loved the numbers he generated. Lots of arrests.
Try to figure out the difference between what it means to be a cop and to be a numbers guy.
can't make arrests when you are going job to job answering a backlog. Some calls are hours old but we still have to respond. If you whiny bitches helped with calls, maybe we would have a minute or two between jobs to do a stop & maybe make an arrest.
AMEN...SCC you rock! Im voting for you for Mayor!!! Long live SCC and your anonymous administrators...!
THANK YOU SCC!!....Let's just say I "bristled " when I read that comment....and I'm in a "unit"...I have TONS of respect for Beat Officers, as they are without doubt, the front line. I had been a Beat Officer for decades, and could feel that comment, like a slap in the face....again, thanks for calling them out!
Comments such as those by Mr. Working Copper (very impressive)underscore the basic problem with the Department, i.e., the denegration and reduction in size of the Patrol Division,the most important unit in the organization. All other units exist to support patrol. Reducing the status of patrol while insisting that their mission is retained is a recipe for disaster. Even the US Army understands that if the 11B's aren't supported, they lose the whole ball game. As for Mr. Working Copper, if you lack experience then your confusion is understandable.If you have some time on the job, then you haven't been paying attention.
3 20 MINUTE LUNCHES!
OR 1 TWO HOUR LUNCH.
THE SPECIAL UNITS ARE OUT DOING 1 BAGGERS AND SEARCHING FOR THAT ILLUSIVE GUN. BUT EVEN IF U PLAY CLOSE ATTENTION U WILL NOTICE VERY FEW REAL FELONY'S.
YEA HOT CARS, CRACK, AND AND GUNS R HELPFUL U DONT SEE ANY OF THEM SOLVING ANY POLICE MURDERS.
SO IN THE SCHEME OF THINGS IF U R SO GREAT I KNOW UR COMMANDER PUT U IN FOR MERIT SGT.
IF HE DIDNT THEN U MUST NOT BE THE ALL-STAR U THINK U ARE.
To all those in "special units", your one baggie of weed, pisser / drinker arrests hardly constitute real police work. Don’t forget the crux of this job, it’s wearing the uniform, answering jobs and showing the public that you are out there. Nobody gives a damn about a pisser or a drinker. That’s what an ANOV is for.
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what a crock. me and my partner work a beat car and consistently bring in 2 to 3 heads a night and answer calls. its the units who come into the station 8 deep on a drinker anc remain there for hours. scale back these silly units.
Meaningless beat cars? Lunch hours? Many times the guys do not get lunch, they are so backed up.
In case the writer did not notice, the whole police department, all thse paper pushers, empty holster types, all the units, working or not, are there TO SUPPORT the patrol division. If there are no guys working the street, there is no need for units, bosses, nice, plush offices, etc.
Now heres a revelutionary idea, lets support the guys on the street!
I would like to believe that this was someone who is basically unhappy who was trying to stir up shit. I like to believe that there are zero Policeman who are so stupid as to truly believe the ignorant commentary posted. Patrol is the backbone of the Department! We as Policemen need to respect one another and how we support one another through our different assignments. This is true now more than ever with the continued assault on Police from the outside. Nobody truly knows the identity of people who post anonymously and what their agenda is. Maybe that dork had a bad day and wanted others to feel bad. Don't let that happen. Patrol is the backbone of the Department!
I have done both for decades. There is nothing more important than the Beat cars, and nobody does more work. The bad guys and the good citizens have to have those blue and whites. Get some time on the job and you will realize that kid.
Jodi, Ernie, that message was for you too. Man ALL the Beat cars 10-4.
30 years working a beat car
listen hair gel , I arrive for roll call early , in uniform , respond to radio assignments , back up my fellow officers , check parks , schools , cta buses , write a ticket or 2 , school absentees , take my half hour lunch etc
units , sit around unit office for an hour , drive half hour for a 2 hour lunch , make a bs pinch , start heading back to office to go home early . jody weiss have masters check the GPS on the cars assigned to tru , msf , gun and tactical units , what a joke
This guy was a troll, but most in units feel this way. Also to the fucknuts that bitch about police in 016, if you dont like it bid here then you can work 99 like the rest of us and I can see how big and bad you are. You can sure act tough 5 deep...
This has got to be a douche from MSF.
jfled when will you assign caps , police officers assigned as crossing guard supervisors , commanders secretaries , police assigned as time keepers etc back to beat cars
you're assigning 1 man cars on 1st and 3rd watches , but won't help us by assigning the office police to help us . we need 2 man units , have sergeants ride with 1 man units , don't allow another officer to get injured
I work, I work my ass off every night. I work a beat car. Screw these units, the Area Saturation Teams duck early (2 hours at least) the Midnight Teams duck early (2 hours at least as well) they are useless. What are they good for? NOTHING!!! They don't answer jobs, they clog the air with their running of names, and they are just a pain in the ass all around. I can see keeping one unit, either TRU or MSF. Granted a lot of the coppers in both units are useless as well. There is no need for all this extra bs, we have tact teams in the districts and we have the Gang Enforcement units. There is absolutely no need for the Area Teams and both of the larger units. 1 will suffice.
All of the following is ignorant. What we need are officers banding together to tackle this problem that the city has brought forth. The lack of leadership at city hall and at 35th street has enabled the criminal element that WE FIGHT everyday to have a voice. ALL of US love this job, who else would risk their lives everyday for an ungrateful public. This climate of depolicing, has unleashed a super predator among us. WHATEVER, your politics, race, religion, or gender we are being stalked. We owe it to ourselves and each other to watch one another's backs. We do that by clearing corners, Search Warrants, getting OUR lazy a**es, out of the car, confronting those who take a stand against the Police. They bend to OUR will not their own. If all that doesn't work and the mf'r doesn't want to go inside his house, is disrespecting ur badge, ur uniform and is a THREAT to ur safety; then u call a car, walk over to that offender slap the sh** outta him, and take him to jail. Some idiot is going to ask "What are u gonna lock him up for?" That's the typical response of DOGS who never have or will WORK. In my opinion, with the exception of the Israeli Police, we are the greatest policemen in the World because we do more with LESS. Now is not the time for the bickering and the in-fighting. The city started this and it's up to us to finish it. Enough is Enough. Yeah ur gonna get beefs, ur gonna work in that grey area. I had an old timer tell me when I first started, if u can't make a tough decision on this job and live with the consequences then you shouldn't be the Police. And another thing, I would like to thank all those old timers out there who set the precedent out there on the streets that enables me to work in a dangerous environment. You can still be the Police out here, it's just tougher to cut the corners. WE are not the sheep. We are the sheep dog. If these criminals dare us to walk amongst wolves, then why don't we start obliging them.
P.S. Remember: WE ARE DOING THE LORD'S WORK.
I will continue to pray for all of you and your families, as I hope you are for me. God bless the CPD, God bless Bill Cozzi.
Thank you
Beat cars are the ones holding cpd down yeah u make a one or two bag arrest good for you. News flash get over youself dude!
I can agree they do need to slim down those units. so ppl in the damn districts can get some help everyday not just after a few shootings. And they can take a damn day off work using cu.
This person is an embarassment to the CPD. It's obvious that he is in a unit with only a few years on the job. Coppers with time on have learned the system and would never speak like that. This guy is still a litle boy and waiting for his mommy to tell him his a man.
wow,no jobs usually 3 deep in a car,and u bring in a warrant arrest or some bud!8.5 hours for that!you plain clothes guys-not all-are useless!all u do is make more work for everyone else.your arrestees either need to go to the hospital,or need to be transported somewhere!always a drain on the watches!its funny because the beat car usually bring in the quality felony arrests!
And to that so called "working copper" I'm willing to bet my pay check that my watch of meaningless beat cars has brought in more guns and gun arrest so far this year than your entire unit. Oh and that's while getting denied one lunch let alone three as you say. Admit it, you're just to scared to work a beat car day in and day out and deal with the savages we deal with EVERY DAY! So to this chicken shit fake copper, GO FUCK YOURSELF you waste of oxygen. Don't worry though, the real police will continue to handle their beat cars.
Boy what an A Hole- Give him a cup of shut the fuck up along with a dose of self-esteem.
What a tool
I agree with your commentary that this is truely an ignorant comment. As a retired supervisor who has worked patrol and specialized units, I have found agressive and lazy officers in both situations. The specialized units do indeed have much more leeway to screw off and many of them do.One unit in particular, would make an arrest right out of roll call and then hang out in a private club the rest of the night. There is no room to throw stones in either situation. What the department really need is outside evaluation of the effectiveness of specialized units to include tactical and detectives, not just the gun teams and response units. Too many of these units are nothing but a knee jerk reaction by some brass who feel that they " have to do something" or come up with new ideas to look like they are on top of things. Stick together and stop attacking your fellow officers, no matter what unit they are in.
Isn't this kind of name-calling and inner turmoil what the city and the bad guy would like us to do? I believe "everyone," that's worth anything on this job is working hard to keep their heads above water. We're in this together let's act like it--all we have is each other in case you haven't noticed.
Oooohhh... you mean the working officers that come in late, look in the mirror and think how good they look in jeans and a black vest cover, talk about where they're going to eat for the first hour or two, then do some shopping, then find some piss-bum to sandbag and go home an hour early?
Those working officers?
The tables have been turned and SCC is a bit miffed. Awww! I've been in a beat car in four different districts and now in one of those units with no clout. Yeah hard to believe. So why so much hating on people that decided to tell their district goodbye and suck it?
Once again, the reading comprehension level exhibited here must make your fellow short bus rider so proud.
WE AREN'T hating on people who get to units. The fact is people will always get to units. By hook, crook, know, blow and once in a while, by impressing the right person - which is how clout is born come to think of it.
WE ARE hating on people who think they're too good for grunt work, you know...Beat Cars.
THAT is who we were ripping on. THAT is who has earned our disdain. THAT is one of the many problems existing on this Department today.
Got it?
Hair gel.... hair gel.... hair gel....I love to hear these asshats get mouthy. Listen kid, the days of being the police are over. In the past when an officer was shot/killed ANY gang-banger that had the nerve to be out on the street was taken care of accordingly. The days of smacking the fear of God in these bangers are over thanks to CAMERAS....J-Fled and the scared bosses that have our back (yeah right) I atleast can say that at one point in my career I was the "working police" like the "working police" should be! As of now the Beat Cop is actually more dangerous now than before because these shit bags know our hands our tied!! So stay in your clout unit and STFU!!
There are good and bad in patrol and in units as well. I worked my ass off in specialized units and in a beat car also. The main thing is I got screwed for working, period!
Guys/gals: please remember that you are guilty automatically when the bangers and drug dealers and left wingers say you are!
I just love when these special units stumble into something paper related,(without an arrest}, then car for a beat car to do the paper.
Sorry SCC, I work in a unit and have no clout (every dog has his or her day and I had mine). I don't even know what lunch is.
Again, we weren't addressing you. We were addressing the ignorant asshat who wrote the comment. We know there are plenty of hard workers in Patrol AND the units. We also know there are plenty of dogasses in both.
It's the poor attitudes like that displayed in the posted comment that we abhor.
The bottom line is you can't beat seniority, no matter how much these two year know it all wonders think or say!!
There are some Officers out on the streets that would rather be on a beat car, rather than doing pussy Tact/Unit shit! What makes you think that everyone wants that crap?!
Being in a unit is a way to circumvent the system i.e. two hour lunches, late to work and early ducks, until you get dumped back to a patrol beat, which is why you were hired to do in the first place! Morons!
worked in that joke of a unit TRU for a very short time..what a joke..was like high school with guns..now back in a beat car and loving it..sometimes 99 since all you non police wanna be's are draining the districts of manpower so you can wear your silly black uniform and think you're the real deal!!! GET A CLUE!!!! Bet you wouldn't be able to make a decision on a job unless you were 5 deep!!!grow up little boy/girl..one day you might actually have to do some real POLICE work..now go get your DOPW or nickle bag pinch.HA!
Is this coming from the tool working CTA, that came into 011 with a juvenile and locked her up for eating on the train?
When are the cops and firemen going to do what the hotel workers just did for their cause? Come on guys and gals; Or don't we want to embarrass anyone in particular?
Let's get together and get some balls among us to show the citizens what the truth really is.
Oh, ultimate tact warrior please take me with you. Your my dream partner.
My God! Grow the fuck up...all of you! Yeah the nitwit who wrote the comment bitching about beat cars is an asshat. The idiot that he responded to isn't hardly any better. Units aren't going to be disbanded. Manpower is a problem because new hires have not kept up with attrition for at least ten years and its worse now than ever before. The jagoff that the lemmings of this city keep on electing mayor is the problem.
We just buried a police officer today, the third in 8 weeks, you people should be ashamed. We are in this predicament due to politics and corruption. Stop hating each other. When you see those blue lights a few blocks ahead, stop and see if they are ok, regardless of where they or yourself are from.
God bless all of you for what you do.
Ignorant comment? absoultely.
But, lets look at the facts. Unit or District 10%-20% of P.O's do over 90% of the work. There are great officers working beat cars, tact/gangs and units. There are also plenty of dogs in all of the above. There is no question that patrol is the backbone of any department and there is also no question that specialized units accoplish things above and beyond what patrol ever could on their own (differnt type of work). Bottom line... your either the working police or your not, has nothing to do with your assignment!
What is a dog? Am I dog? Maybe I am.
Are cops who don't who serve the department dogs?
Units serve the needs of the department and that is why there are so many today. Patrol doesn't have to serve the department and that is where I want to be even if I'm the only one left.
I still do my job, but I do it my way and on my terms. I don't do things because the department wants me to. I don't give the department tickets or arrests because the department wants them. I give tickets to people who deserve them, I make the arrests that I think need making.
I don't do the Department's mission, I do my own.
I won't do anything for this department. After 15 years, I now truly hate this Department. I would not believe this Department if it told me the time of day. I do not believe that this Department has any concern for me if they cannot sacrifice me to appease voters. I know this Department lies every single time a gold star opens their mouth. If I didn't link my future financial security to this job's pension, I would leave today.
This department is broken beyond repair. It has been in steady decline the last 5 years and it fell off a cliff 2 years ago.
I have 5 more years on my sentence till I can leave for good and deny to my death that I ever worked for this Department. But, at least in my heart I'll know that I did my time in patrol and didn't betray myself by serving the master I hated just so I could wear jeans to work.
Now tell me, am I a dog?
NOT SO FAR OFF TOPIC!!! For the Copper who finds himself going to Traffic Court...
Kangaroo (Traffic) Court that is!
Today I reported to my "new" usual room CL02 (CL04 has been Closed) I must admit I only wrote 3 people, so I figured I would be In & Out...Not So F A S T...
The Judge, Thomas V. Lyons II finally arrived on the bench at approx. 9:20 AM explaining that he was the Only Judge hearing traffic court cases today as they are short Judges...The call began as usual, with attorney's getting first crack. It seemed that most defendants received minor fines in the amount of $20...But when the Cook County Fees of $145 were added it wasn’t so minor any longer. The Judge then took a recess and stated he was off to his next room that he would return...This happened twice...
It was at this time that a female def. had a case where by she was written two citations. The first for failure to use headlights while driving at night, the second for not having a child restrained in a car seat. The def. mentioned that the child had freed itself moments prior to the stop.
The Judge gave the def. several options: Plead Guilty, Have a Trial Now, or bring back photos showing in the photograph that the lights in fact work, as well as a picture of the car seat attached to the rear portion of the veh. A slight snicker could be heard by one or more coppers as we looked at each other in amazement. One copper asked the Corp. Council after the judge left the bench "Did you Hear what the Judge said"? He responded..."Happens Everyday..." Eventually the 10 AM cases arrived and the 9AM Call was completed in a timely manner...! 10:35 AM What a County...Crook county that is...
The kids in units are really trying to be the "real police," but with a management structure that makes the 3 stooges look like brain surgeons that is the best they can do! The younger coppers are scared shitless by the bosses,and as a KMA club member I don't want to lose my home,pension,and go to prison listening to a boss bullshit "I got your back kid," then when something happens states "I never said that," as the officer is paraded in front of the media and criticized! Fuck it all just back each other up 110%, and if a POLICE family needs help respond with force otherwise 1st and the 16th! TO ALL THE CITIZENS THIS IS THE POLICE DEPT YOU VOTED IN THE ASSCLOWNS WANTED! VOTE THEM ALL OUT!
whiteshirt mentality
7/23/2010 02:22:00 AM
Go to the Finance Division and pull up the salary schedule for 2010. It lists all the positions and title codes and what they're paid.
Run a seniority listing for each job title code and count the numbers in each. Members on leaves of absence or disability are not listed....the seniority listing only shows who is collecting a check, meaning on the job.
The count is about 12,500 give or take. The budgeted strength of the department is around 13,200 - 13,600. We're down about a 1,000....but 1000 cops minus say...10% for units or light duty and that leaves down 900. Divide 900 by 75 watches and you get 12 officers a watch. put 8 bodies on days and split the difference between the 3rd and 1st watches.
An additional 14 officers on midnights and afternoons would make a big impact citywide.
So we're not down 2,500....but we're down nonetheless and it shows.
Tell that to HB and his crew in the 16th District keeping our homes and families safe that he's meaningless.
The people siding with this idiot are nuts! I work in 007 and share the radio with 008; Where is this paradise of a district where you can get 3 lunches working a beat car? 007 and 008 have been in a back log the entire tour on third watch for months. I run into guys in 008 on third watch that look like they have been running a marathon from all the bullshit jobs they been running to!! I would like to leave but even with 10 years on I don't see the district openings that I would like to go to, so until then pay a little respect to us beat guys cause we been working like dogs out here!! And if you happen to drive through 008 or 007 why don't you handle one of our agg battery domestics so I can grab a freaking sandwich, my wife says i'm getting to skinny!!
Taking those pistols off the streets might have saved an officers life.
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Just as likely an otherwise law abiding citizen no longer has the protection of his firearm in a very dangerous area (one that many cops are apparently frightened of) and now faces a felony charge as well.
Call me cynic. Might as well go back to busting pot heads.
everyone lets remember our fallen brothers and stick together
Jody Weiss , Ernie Brown and Command Staff
please show us beat officers how good your specialized units perform.
assign unit officers to 7 ,11 , 15 and 25 on a week end 1st and 3rd watch to work as beat officers reporting for roll call on time , handling radio assignments , maybe write a parking ticket , mover , making a bus check , park check , taking a 30 min lunch and not leaviving work early .
I dare you , you know it and every beat officer and beat sgt. knows they couldn't handle it.
keep the district cars out there as sector , support units , not required to write reports that week end . It would be good PR between you and the district officers , you may gain some respect.
Order your Camo colored Safari land ANOV holder
Thats the funniest shit i've read all day. (Beside aproving the tac teams arrest reports)
hold the f@#k up. We are all the police here Ive spent plenty of time in both. Disbanding the units is not a good idea they serve their purpose just like everyone else. The days of 2/3 hour lunches are over. we are given an hour there are people watching gps. As far as errands a concerned everyone has things they need to take care of. "Units dont see shit"? "Units dont deal with the animal but for a short time"? Wake up where the hell do you think we're at in 23 all day? No we are in 3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,15, and 25. Different ghetto but same old bull shit. Relax with the Im the unsung hero of the police department bull shit. We are all the police no one is mor important than the other.
Whoever posted that comment is an egotistical fucking whiny clout baby. I have been a Detective for 10 years, but the backbone of this department is the guys and gals working the beat cars. You can get rid of any other unit or bureau except the District beat cars. They are the workhorses of the department. I worked a beat car for 12 years and still know they are the most needed part of this department. This department is useless without the work they do. They bust their asses every day. They run from one call to another and still back each other up. They may be overworked, but still handle everything and take it in stride. The district beat cars are the most necessary part of this department. Don't be a fucking asshole and put them down. Patrol is the hardest working and least acknowledged part of this department. Your ass should be put right back into a beat car and learn the real job of this department. You are a true ASSHAT for that comment. If you feel that way, the next time you are getting your ass kicked, call on the people from the unit and not the beat cars.
Worked in patrol for 17 years-- then a unit.
I would never utter a bad word about patrol. That is all that is promised to you when you come on the job. A blue and white.
Why anyone would criticize patrol is beyond me. If you as a police officer need the police , who do you call?
old retired guy
Beat guys useless huh, so on aug. 14 let all district police take the day off and unit police can fill in and handle the jobs. Step up studs so everyone how it's done.
Why does it seem that most of the guys in special units are vertically challenged? Not midget short, but definitely shorter than the average beat cop. Maybe beat cops shoes have a taller heel or something.
Is all this pissing and moaning going to change anything NO NOT AT ALL SHUT UP do your job and just back each other up.
Anonymous said...
Must be one of the under five year wonders in the TRU or MSF unit, who believe they are the only working police. Get Real go fine your dime bag and brag about your arrest you jagoff.
7/23/2010 06:46:00 AM
I respectfully disagree, it sounds more like a non patrol division officer. No matter what you think of TRU or MSF they still ride around in marked cars with GPS, mostly in one district.
On the other hand the secret squirrel units truely think their shot don't stink.
The tables have been turned and SCC is a bit miffed. Awww! I've been in a beat car in four different districts and now in one of those units with no clout. Yeah hard to believe. So why so much hating on people that decided to tell their district goodbye and suck it?
7/23/2010 01:45:00 AM
Learn to read Mr. Unit. The original poster from a unit started this shit about beat cars not doing any work and taking 3 hour lunches. Basically saying him being in a unit he is god and us beat guys are shit. We all know you guys do your b.s arrests to stay in said units and have easy days (long lunches, working out, not tied to the fucking radio for job after job, going home early etc) The point is don't put us down as if being in a unit makes you special. We are supposed to be on the same team. Maybe you guys could offer a little help out here.
Come on SCC, they don't take three lunches...they take 3hr lunches. A day in the life of a unit...
-Show up for work an hour late
-roll call for an hour
-three hour lunch
-one hour running personal errands
-two hour DOPW pinch
-leave two hours early
Repeat
I was gonna leave a comment, but the above statement couldn't have been more dead on.
i actually feel sorry for people in these units. Too much pressure to bring in arrests, they are often put in a trick bag trying to make that 1 gun a season they get stick. All it takes is one time getting caught with rule 14 and then you're gone. I am happy working my beat car and not having the pressure/competition that these guys have.
Anonymous said...
This person is an embarassment to the CPD. It's obvious that he is in a unit with only a few years on the job. Coppers with time on have learned the system and would never speak like that. This guy is still a litle boy and waiting for his mommy to tell him his a man.
7/23/2010 11:29:00 AM
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No...What IS obvious is that he is a troll and the comment was meant to spark the bashing of units.
He probably doesn't even work in a unit and put this there to get your goat. It sure worked.
what a beatoff! your typical punk who thinks hes smething special cause he's in sme goofy unit. typical tool!!! prob a 4 or 5 year wonder i bet. i dont work the beat anymore and my gen outlook is thank god, the beat guys work there asses off in most districts. you my frd are whats wrong with this dept. sick of tools like you! take it deep.
You got that right!!! Couple of summers ago, I was in Angie's pizza on Pulaski, off duty watching Sox game. Three TRU cars, six officers, were in there for three hours, and still there when I left. Yeha, "working officers"!!!
Seems that the officer with the spot is reacting to all many, many, MANY posts of beat officers saying how they ain't doin' shit anymore, fuck the bosses, do my 8-1/2 and do nothing, don't take a chance and get sued, J-Fled ain't your friend, protect yourself and take your time getting to the job maybe the disturbance will be over, 26 more months and I'm leaving this fuckin' city and Mayor Shortshanks can suck my dick, my wife and kids need me, and on, and on, and on.
The morale on this job is the lowest I have ever seen. Everyone is bitchin' about something or about someone. The beat guy bitch's about the guy that has the spot and the guy with the spot say's the beat guy's are all dogs. ALL UNITS HAVE THEIR SHARE OF DOGS!
Lets stick together for once so no more officers get hurt or God forbid, killed.
I know it is hard to get three guy's to decide where to eat lunch but for the sake of our safety, please back each other up and quit your bitchin'. You know who you are!
Divide and conquer kept the British empire strong for a long time. Guess if it aint broke dont fix it.
Take a look at the lieutenant's website. They posted a pretty article article about this and what a bad summer it is.
Blah, blah, blah, this debate between beat cars and tact/gang unit etc is getting really old. All it really does is create division at a time when we need unity. All we really have right now is ourselves, lets not turn in on each other. The comment doesn't deserve to be posted much less have its own headline.
Anonymous said...
If only we could institute the targeted strike force, all our problems would be solved.
7/23/2010 09:16:00 AM
Or the Mobile Response Unit or even better, institute the MobileTargetedStrikeResponseUnit Force
I would trust a blue shirt before I'd trust some "elite" pussy tact team.
---not a cop
"I know it is hard to get three guy's to decide where to eat lunch but for the sake of our safety, please back each other up and quit your bitchin'. You know who you are!
7/23/2010 06:06:00 PM"
bitch on the ballot, on election days.
get the fucking petitions signed, 3x+ the required number of valid signatures, get some CPD/CFD on the ballot for every city/county office.
bitch with your vote and get these motherfucking motherfuckers out on their motherfucking asses.
Who cares about these wunder kids in the special units? Things don't last forever and I've seen enough eventually come back to the district level.
The good ones just do the job. No bitching or moaning. But the others are fun to watch! Bitching and moaning about how could THEY be dumped back to a beat car.
Get assigned a 2 car accident and watch how they try and fill out the report. It's like watching a monkey f**king a football.
Yeah, get off trying to tell someone who's a better worker. If you work in a unit, you do what your unit's job requires and the beat officer does what his job in the district/beat/street requires. We don't need anymore cop on cop hating. All we have is each other. There are increasingly less perks for units but there are no perks for beat officers so have some tact and professionalism. Patrol IS the reason we are all here. You couldn't be in a unit if patrol wasn't your first stop so quit hating cause from your attitude, there's a good chance you'll end up back in patrol. Maybe then you can learn what's what.
Just because you - unit guy - did not find meaning in patrol does not mean it is meaningless. Afterall, the world just doesn't revolve around you. Get out of your own head and look at the whole department. Your career depends on it. Patrol officers should not all be lumped together because everyone is different. Its a shame you have no respect for your brothers and sisters in blue.
7/21/2010 10:56:00 PM
Two days later and Michael Bailey's info is still not here.
TODAY IS THE FUNERAL FOP! WHAT'S UP?
http://www.chicagofop.org/Death_Notices.html
7/23/2010 04:10:00 AM
Wasn't the guy who does their website on this blog a few weeks ago talking about how he donates his time and blah blah blah and advertises on the FOP site? Well why hasn't he updated the site we pay him whatever fee he earns to update? Get on the job boy!
"....who do you call?
old retired guy
7/23/2010 04:38:00 PM"
ghostbusters?
They SHOULD disband units such as MSF, TRU, Area Gun and Gang.
Put ALL those bodies back into patrol ON beat cars.
These units are not making any kind of meaningful activity. So they should go back to answering the radio and would be a huge asset in patrol.
7/23/2010 06:12:00 AM
I agree. I don't mean any disrespect to MSF or TRU officers but we are down too many officers and even with these units assigned to saturate certain areas, we haven't had the manpower to prevent two murders of our own. Disband them. They are not making an impact. Send them back to Patrol. We are too divided already. For this asswipe to make such a comment in a period when we have lost so many of our own, he should just be sent to pasture. Grow up officer. We are already sore about our losses. We don't need you and your kind attacking us too. Last time I checked, you were 9161 too. Next time (God forbid) it might be one of you killed and you know what? We'll all still be there for your family and friends.
LMAO!!!!!!
OK.... ROLL CALL FOR TRU? 1700HRS
HIT THE STREETS (AFTER SCRATCHING HEADS FOR A LUNCH LOCATION) 1830
TRAVEL TIME TO LUNCH LOCATION? 30 MINS
DINNER TIME? 1HR
DIGEST FOOD AND A FEW GOOD LAUGHS? 30MINS
FIND AN 1811? PRICELESS
YES!!! THE HARD WORKING COPPERS......
The "free safety" is necessary, because if you look at the arrests in i-clear, it speaks for itself. For 1 recent week in 003 for example, there were 8 UUW arrests(with uuw as the first charge). Of that, 3 were from MSF, 2 were from GEU, 2 were from TRU, and 1 was from 003 tact. None from district watch personnel. Proactive and aggressive police who aren't tied down are the ones catching dude creeping down the gangway with a pistol, and preventing violent crime. Taking those pistols off the streets might have saved an officers life.
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That gun you got took your whole tour to get. You don't have any calls to distract you. Not only that, everyone on your team went down on that gun arrest. Nuf said. Beat officers don't have free time to chase leads on a gun. We get them when we catch it on them WHEN WERE ANSWERING ALL THE CALLS that you're not. The fact is that getting the guns is what you're SUPPOSED to be doing. That's why you're there. A gun is not more of a crime than a domestic. So it doesn't make you better police and the beat guy less police. Get some perspective.
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"Despite the attacks on police, Daley said he's not about to turn a blind eye to officers who engage in excessive force. "If some police officer comes out and starts whacking people around here, you'll have an outrage," he said. "We are a country of laws.""
Was that anti-law enforcement, pro-gang mayor foaming at mouth? Little slippery slip of the tongue?
Anti-Law Enforcement?
Pro Corrupt Revs?
Pro-corrupt Aldertrash?
Pro-gang? Big Payoffs from gangs, are there?
Pro-cop murderers?
What else would explain completely asinine Daley statement such as this on heels of 3 cold-blooded murders of Chicago police officers?
How dare he offend families of murder victims w. this statement?
I don't expect every copper to get arrests or be super aggressive. I expect every copper on my watch to answer and finish their jobs in a timely fashion, back up fellow officers, and respond to a job if it is near you.
And I expect you to treat all employees equal- So until that happens you can fuck off Mr White shirt.
I don't expect every copper to get arrests or be super aggressive. I expect every copper on my watch to answer and finish their jobs in a timely fashion, back up fellow officers, and respond to a job if it is near you.
Well Watch Commander, you first- earn you pay???? Do as I say not as I do.
I work in a unit and I am embarrassed by this moron's comment and I apologize.
Of course I have 16 yrs on and Ill bet this person has under 5.
Not too much we can do about ignorance...
Come on guys....I love the units. They are GREAT for a laugh. Like when their SUB or 1 bag weed pinches have 27 assisting officers listed. Or when they chase an offender from a domestic they got waved down for and then try to turn it over to a beat car (we have a really good laugh then as we drive by!). Or when they have 6 cars that are all 3 or 4 deep on a traffic stop with one guy in the car. Ah...good times, good times!
MSF is a pretty good gig, from what I hear. 10 hour day... and 4 days off
Doesnt this leave less manpower on the streets, than the 4 and 2 schedule.?
How many days off a year is this schedule??
Every one should be on 4 and 2
Hey listen...
this is a secret message...
If all patrol and detectives stuck together like the brothers and sisters they are and got into the unions face... Only a dream
Sounds like the arrogant po who kisses the more arrogant Lt's ass!
They bend to OUR will not their own. If all that doesn't work and the mf'r doesn't want to go inside his house, is disrespecting ur badge, ur uniform and is a THREAT to ur safety; then u call a car, walk over to that offender slap the sh** outta him, and take him to jail. Some idiot is going to ask "What are u gonna lock him up for?" That's the typical response of DOGS who never have or will WORK.
7/23/2010 10:56:00 AM
Wow hero please don't let me work with you. These are not the old days. Obviously you have no time on the job, never been sued, believe Jody has your back, or never heard of BILL COZZI. Just keep slapping the shit out of people under those wonderful cameras, video cameras or cell phone cameras and make up some charges for that arrest. Just leave your name on here so I know not to buy any benefit tickets for you.
"Locking people up is only one aspect of police work."
I had an FTO, a long time ago that told me that an arrest is a failure.
A misdemeanor arrest is a failure to keep the peace and a felony arrest is a failure to prevent a crime.
At first blush this might seem a little radical, but think about it for a moment.
Although you can't always keep the peace, or always prevent a crime, both of those things are part of our job. A larger part than making an arrest.
I understand that some people use court as their part-time job and I have no beef with that, but if you're so wrapped up in yourself that you actually believe that your making of an arrest is your only job, you ain't paying attention.
Be careful.
"The useless leadership purposely created the divide and conguer method to keep total control in their hands. The leadership created these units and filled them up by personal selection. The units are told to make arrests, any arrests just so the fucking leadership will look good on paper. It's all about numbers and you know it..."
Amen, brother (sister?)!
That's the beauty of being on a beat car! Whadda they gonna do, put me on a beat car?? Fuck them!
MSF & TRU aren't our enemies! They're just guys and gals trying to get away from a beat car for awhile. You can't blame them; promotions on this department are getting thinner and thinner.
Nobody cares about patrol.
Welcome to CPD!
Be careful.
Anonymous said...
My God! Grow the fuck up...all of you! Yeah the nitwit who wrote the comment bitching about beat cars is an asshat. The idiot that he responded to isn't hardly any better. Units aren't going to be disbanded. Manpower is a problem because new hires have not kept up with attrition for at least ten years and its worse now than ever before. The jagoff that the lemmings of this city keep on electing mayor is the problem.
We just buried a police officer today, the third in 8 weeks, you people should be ashamed. We are in this predicament due to politics and corruption. Stop hating each other. When you see those blue lights a few blocks ahead, stop and see if they are ok, regardless of where they or yourself are from.
God bless all of you for what you do.
7/23/2010 02:13:00 PM
Couldn't agree with you any more.
Patrol is the tip of the spear,everything else is a support element.
when it became public that our leader heard man shot , responded to news media
i gotta run , everyone thought he was running toward the gunfire
gotta run back to police headquarters
that's why the gang bangers are acting out , they know jfled don't got our backs
dats all gotta run
Go to some slow districts lets say in Area 3 and you will find guys who haven't been the complainant on a arrest in years.
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I remember about 9 years ago, there were a group of shitheads constantly found with dope and 2 times with guns that kept hanging out at the other end of my block...Among them was a guy who was a 3 time loser, but kept making it out of the system on a technicality...apparently someone didn't dot an "i" or cross a "t", (sarcasm).
When my neighbors and I discussed these goofs with our 3rd watch beat car guys, they had the cojones to tell us they needed a complaining witness to sign, and we'll make the arrest. I looked at him and said...are you fucking kidding me? YOU can sign the report, I am not putting MY family at risk as the complainant, these guys have already busted out car windows on people and I don't leave a weapon at home for my wife. YOU SIGN IT...I'll show up in court as a court advocate witness.
They never did anything, and the shitheads eventually got eradicated from the face of the planet
I got my phone call after probation and will never speak to a filthy beat car cop again.
I cannot believe that a police officer on this department would ever say such a thing. I have been retired for many years and I thank God every day for it. I hope this is not the way things are going, that it is this bad that you would say such a thing. Maybe things have changed since I was there but from what I remembered, and what I think it should be, is that every unit and I mean every unit exist in some way to back up a "beat car". I was a detective for over 24 years and we were there to back up, assist in any way the "beat car". They are the ones who ususally start the ball rolling on everything. They are the backbone of the department. If you don't know this than you are either not a police officer or one of these current bosses I hear about. Tell me this was a joke.
I remember about 9 years ago, there were a group of shitheads constantly found with dope and 2 times with guns that kept hanging out at the other end of my block...Among them was a guy who was a 3 time loser, but kept making it out of the system on a technicality...apparently someone didn't dot an "i" or cross a "t", (sarcasm).
When my neighbors and I discussed these goofs with our 3rd watch beat car guys, they had the cojones to tell us they needed a complaining witness to sign, and we'll make the arrest. I looked at him and said...are you fucking kidding me? YOU can sign the report, I am not putting MY family at risk as the complainant, these guys have already busted out car windows on people and I don't leave a weapon at home for my wife. YOU SIGN IT...I'll show up in court as a court advocate witness.
7/23/2010 11:21:00 PM
Ok Mr. Citizen you explained they were "previously" arrested for dope in the past. What crime were they committing now by standing on the corner. Sorry I agree I'm not arresting them and violating their civil rights because you don't like as you say "shitheads" on your block. Unless they commit a crime to you or someone else and you sign a complaint I'm not risking my job or family on another bullshit lawsuit
"They never did anything, and the shitheads eventually got eradicated from the face of the planet
7/23/2010 11:21:00 PM"
fagidabotit.
"Tell me this was a joke.
7/23/2010 11:41:00 PM"
either it was or the poster is.
Shortly after taking command of the CPD in 1960 OW Wilson initiated the Task Force as a back up to the Patrol Units. The beat car has and always will be the back bone of the police department. Most members of the Task Force renamed special Operations Group because of pressure from minority communities were aggressive officers who concentrated on FELONY calls, and gun arrests. Over the years something happened to the "units" as their members began to take the idea they were elite to be served by the beat car. If police officers would stick together and have their union concentrate on issues of importance such as manpower, safety, tort reform and a host of other things the police could actually gain respect as in days gone by.....
What crime were they committing now by standing on the corner.
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My apologies..in my haste to get this post in...I failed to mention they no longer lived in the neighborhood, their parents having long before sold their childhood homes for tidy profits and moved back to the Island. In addition to continuing the drive-thru pharmacy, they were notorious for having loud and disturbing conversations with other mopes driving by, tossing up gang signs and generally making it rather uncomfortable for the new urban pioneers to pass by and get home from work, or go for a walk with their kids...granted, we knew it was not the greatest of ideas to buy in this neighborhood, but at the time, it was what we could afford. I don't want to sound as if I don't appreciate our officers...I do...I just was commenting that the 3rd watch guys left a LOT to be desired in terms of being a PROACTIVE team of officers compared to the other beat officers from the same district. Our guys on the 1st watch were spectacular, in that they would go thru the guys and make sure they knew they weren't welcome in the 'hood anymore. Just their method of shagging them off the corner on 1st and 2nd watch was more effective than the 3rd watch crew.
Believe me, I may not be a hard core right winger, but, I am far from a COMPLETE LIBTARD...I'm more a middle of the road kind of citizen. Respect the neighbors, respect the police and if you don't live in the area, work in the area or support the area businesses...then KEEP THE FUCK OUT!!! And if you work in our Beat...KNOW we have your back...we'll show up in court...and we'll call with information. Just don't roll your eyes when we give it to you as if we're trying to tell you how to do your job. We're NOT. We're providing you with tools to do it safely, effectively AND efficiently.
We want you to go home to your families, too.
PATROL is the backbone of the Department....As long as your in Patrol. I've done both, and PATROL sux!!!!!
I can not speak for every district but some of the Beat Cars in 15 and 25 on 3rd and 1rst watch hustle their asses off. I would get in a car with those officers any day.
An Area Five Dec
Isn't the Entertainment Detail still a "Unit"?
25 years ago when I was a PPO an old traffic copper told me somthing.
"Don't ever forget it. The patrol division is the rectum of the dept." Rang true then and still does.
Units generate cash for the city. Impounds, tows, anov's, fines, asset forfeture.
It's too bad that the writer of Ignorant is such a baby that he could not allow us to grieve Mike Bailey, Thor and Tom....he was so caught up in himself or either scared to death that he decided to sound off on the "POLICE". Beat car or not, busy district or not everyday that we don this outfit we deserve the respect of one another...if we don't have that how in the hell can we expect it from "Ricky and Rollo"....I think the writer should rethink his/her career decision, I am sure he/she is not vested yet (that comes after 10 years) so take your little money and go work the private sector. If you go back to patrol, welcome to the real world it is actually the job you applied for.
To the unpublished critic:
We don't shit on everything, although there is a lot to shit on. That isn't of our making. We're just lowly Officers in meaningless beat cars.
We still tell it like it is. Does it have our slant on it? Yup - who else's should it have? You want an echo chamber? Go start your own blog. If it's reasonably well written, we'll even link it here.
As for the name calling, the commentator started in with "dirtbag" for daring to suggest disbanding Units. We added a few digs - wouldn't you? Do you really think calling all us in the trenches "meaningless" needs to be taken lying down?
We didn't "turn" anyone against anyone either. This "Patrol v Unit" battle has been going on long before we got here and we're willing to bet even longer that when you arrived. In fact, we have been honored to know coppers from the 50's and 60's and even they say it was going on then, so blaming us is nonsense and merely demonstrates your epidermis is showing (that's a Simpson's reference).
And your comment won't be posted since we routinely delete the ones that say, "If your unhappy, quit." That's a childish way to argue and we find it annoying.
Hey Mr. "Elite", the next time you ride on a job to steal a pinch. and it's not there, try doing the paper yourself for a change instead of calling for a meaningless beat car.
009 midnights
CLOUT HACK. Keep making those 1 bag arrests buddy you sure are doing your part to help out. HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA While the beat cars are responding to domestics, batteries in progress and man with a gun calls you are in the station making your big PINCH and you arent doing the working copper any justice by not being on the street to help him if a 10 1 should occur. All of these tact, gang, untis etc that are making 1 bag arrests and locking up guys with a rock or 2 are doing NOTHING to solve any problems. You are simply wasting everyones time and while doing so you arent on the street to help out the REAL POLICE. You want to help, then lock up offenders on signed complaints where there is a victim. The bullshit dope arrests in the ghetto dont mean dick. been there done that and learned a long time ago. Obviously your tongue is so far up your clouts ass you cant even see the light
Dear Working Officer,
I have no ill malice towards you and thank you for the very fine job you do. But why can't you do it as part of the district watch? Or join a district tact team? What I was requesting was that all these units go back to the districts so they are at full manpower. That helps everyone in the district. Are you against helping your fellow officers?
The tables have been turned and SCC is a bit miffed. Awww! I've been in a beat car in four different districts and now in one of those units with no clout. Yeah hard to believe. So why so much hating on people that decided to tell their district goodbye and suck it?
7/23/2010 01:45:00 AM
Learn to read Mr. Unit. The original poster from a unit started this shit about beat cars not doing any work and taking 3 hour lunches. Basically saying him being in a unit he is god and us beat guys are shit. We all know you guys do your b.s arrests to stay in said units and have easy days (long lunches, working out, not tied to the fucking radio for job after job, going home early etc) The point is don't put us down as if being in a unit makes you special. We are supposed to be on the same team. Maybe you guys could offer a little help out here.
7/23/2010 05:06:00 PM
How do you know he was from a unit? Then you should ace the detective's test.
You got that right!!! Couple of summers ago, I was in Angie's pizza on Pulaski, off duty watching Sox game. Three TRU cars, six officers, were in there for three hours, and still there when I left. Yeha, "working officers"!!!
That's the best story you got? From a couple years ago? I bet you're the working police, huh?
Over the years something happened to the "units" as their members began to take the idea they were elite to be served by the beat car.
Its called generation, SOG were comprised of men, many now are boys, incl. white shirts.
new urban pioneers to pass by and get home from work, or go for a walk with their kids...granted, we knew it was not the greatest of ideas to buy in this neighborhood
Mr. Urban Pioneer, here is a tip; you moved in their neighborhood! Clue: they were there first. You chose to live there, which makes it your problem, no. 1. You cry about your children, be a more responsible parent and first look at the safety of your family and not your liberal agenda. The police are extremely busy being short handed running from job to job and backlogs. We dont have the manpower or time to arrest every individual on ea. corner because it disturbs you. YOU sign the complaint and stop being a female body part. Standing up for one watch of officers and bad mouthing another doesnt redeem you. Ill bet you would be the first in line to report an officer.
what a beatoff! your typical punk who thinks hes smething special cause he's in sme goofy unit. typical tool!!! prob a 4 or 5 year wonder i bet. i dont work the beat anymore and my gen outlook is thank god, the beat guys work there asses off in most districts. you my frd are whats wrong with this dept. sick of tools like you! take it deep.
7/23/2010 06:01:00 PM
Oh yeah, I fergot two menshun, I'm teachin in da academy now.
I have worked a beat car in 3 districts, have worked tact in 3 districts, and have worked in 4 units, including 3 as a supervisor. I had no clout, but bosses always respected my hard work. The hardest working officers were the ones I worked tact with, but these hard working officers don't exist any more. We never wanted to go home, and we all had families, but we just loved to work. However, I can't wait to say goodbye to this job and this city next year because it is not the same job in 2010. Good luck to all.
Do you think people will think before they speak after this roasting? What an excellent asskicking ... dummy
Anonymous said...
new urban pioneers to pass by and get home from work, or go for a walk with their kids...granted, we knew it was not the greatest of ideas to buy in this neighborhood
Mr. Urban Pioneer, here is a tip; you moved in their neighborhood! Clue: they were there first. You chose to live there, which makes it your problem, no. 1. You cry about your children, be a more responsible parent and first look at the safety of your family and not your liberal agenda. The police are extremely busy being short handed running from job to job and backlogs. We dont have the manpower or time to arrest every individual on ea. corner because it disturbs you. YOU sign the complaint and stop being a female body part. Standing up for one watch of officers and bad mouthing another doesnt redeem you. Ill bet you would be the first in line to report an officer.
7/24/2010 01:01:00 PM
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Perhaps, Sir, you are one of the wondrous HAIR GELS, patrolling our fair City...complete with a FANCY BS Degree in Underwater Basket Weaving or Fine Arts? This city is one that has gone thru changes over DECADES since it's founding...Prior to being "their neighborhood", it was someone else's neighborhood. My bride and I did not have children at the time, and in fact didn't have children until 8 years AFTER moving here...waiting patiently until such time we felt the neighborhood had improved to a point we could walk and run and enjoy the fruits of our labor, making improvements and making a CHANGE. The SHITHEADS had moved 2 years prior, and things were well. When the dog's decided they missed their old haunts, they decided to come back like the "good old days". So, yes, you're right, it was our problem, because we lived here and had to deal with 2 non-working police dogs. Which is why I wouldn't sign a complaint for them. Out of concern, not fear, but concern, that if I DID sign the complaint the animals may want to seek retribution on my home or family while I was away at work and the 3rd watch guys were on duty. As far as being a "female body part"? You're a clown. Those guys are not all dead. It was a EUPHEMISM. We stood up to the biggest guy and told him enough was enough. It was time to go. He knew me and the 2 other gentleman with me from when we helped his parents while he was locked up for a few months and released on a technicality. THEY were good people who, unfortunately, feared their son...he was a shithead by choice.
Anonymous said...
I got my phone call after probation and will never speak to a filthy beat car cop again.
Be careful!
There's nothing deader than a dead clout.
Dear Fellow Officers
Lets not fight among each other. The reason we stay down on jobs so long is because the moment we clear, we get hit with another one. Does anybody believe that as short as we are, if we cleared immediatly, there would be no backlog? It would mean that we would do twice the work on a shift and justify the mayor's staffing of the beat cars. What would happen to the city if we thourghly investigated every job we were sent to? It would mean the "citizens" would have to wait a little longer to get their cat out of the tree. Then maybe they would hire some more officers or develop a system where we dont get sent to every call because some freak of nature evolved to the point where they can dail 911
get rid of the units they do nothing !!! two year wonders that think they run the dept , well, ya dont i cant wait till i get off this fuck up job
how about a class action law suit against daily and the city of chicago , 99 units at 3 and 1 watch because we are so under maned .....thats bullshit close all units and fill the cars weiss ..u pussy
Ask any lockup person in fast districts what these wonder units bring to lockup every time, if not the same offenders everytime.
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