IPRA Overreaching Again
IPRA is not your friend and is looking for any way it can to hook you up and screw you over. We're going to summarize an e-mail we received to protect the source.
- On 06 December 2010, a accidental discharge occurred at the Area 3 Range during the 3.5 hour Firearms Training Course. An officer fired a round while bringing his gun up on target that struck the concrete floor, causing fragments to spray himself, the instructor and another officer. Minor lacerations and no small embarrassment resulted, and all the officers were taken to the hospital to make sure no fragments remained embedded. They will be fine.
Notifications were made to the upper echelons, an ET was ordered and the cumbersome paperwork was begun that always follows such an incident. Somehow, IPRA ended up in the loop and demanded a CR number be generated. The District Commander said "no" as it was a training exercise. IPRA went around his back and contacted the ADS of the Academy, who also said, "no." So IPRA did what they seem to do best and generated their own CR number (and possibly an additional U-number), thereby injecting themselves into a non-criminal incident that they have no authority or directive to investigate.
IPRA investigates police shootings and allegations of misconduct, not training accidents. IPRA is attempting to interpret their rules as "all shootings resulting in injury" will be investigated by them regardless of the circumstances of the shooting. This is not a good thing.
It certainly isn't, and anyone being approached by IPRA either in person or via To-From Witness statements should immediately contact the FOP and have legal representation available. We've published reports previously that IPRA is attempting to question officers out of the presence of representation by not identifying themselves as IPRA investigators or passing themselves off as detectives. Now it seems we have to watch our backs even for training accidents.
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posted by SCC at 12:09 AM
146 Comments:
Ok so some goof almost kills two other cops and your beefing because its being investigated? Someone should take time for this. If you can't even be safe on the range how can you on the street. I understand some will say accidents happen but what if this resulted in another officers serious injury or death? Just saying.
Outrageous...doesn't IPRA have enough 'semi-legit' complaints to investigate? Oh, I forget...complaints are down. Must get kind of boring with nothing to do.
I hope the FOP shuts this BS down.
Question:
Who investigates IPRA?
IPRA is clearly overstepping their boundaries and abusing their 'power.'
Is there going to be an investigation into these IPRA representatives?
If so, who investigates them?
It seems like they were given the keys to the car with no checks and balances.
"Somehow, IPRA ended up in the loop..."
AND...
"...thereby injecting themselves into a non-criminal incident that they have no authority or directive to investigate."
These two partial statements suggest that someone, either by accident or possibly with malice, made sure IPRA was made privy to an incident that by all accord could've been, and SHOULD'VE been, handled in-house. IPRA didn't just inject themselves into something...they were participants at someone's insistence.
This same scenario has played-out numerous times since I've been on; whether it be recruits in Range classes, or coppers doing their yearly qualifications, shrapnel WILL bounce back - even when a weapon's directly on target. Thank God no one has ever been seriously hurt, but shit like this is merely an "occupational hazard"...that is until someone makes a federal case out of it.
Going with the ol' gut, me thinks the "another officer" made a bigger stink than was necessary, thereby drawing way too much attention to the incident. Most coppers with any time on the job have seen considerably worse things that were handled "the way it should be". I doubt it was the range instructor, giving the propensity to this scenario occasionally happening.
Bottom line: No one bled-out. No one lost an eye. No one's going to walk with a limp the rest of their life. No one's confined to a wheelchair as a result of this. Bitch the "culprit" out, make him see the error of his ways, and get on with your day.
Man, this job has changed!
If true this it's incredibly disturbing. I'm not talking about the accident, but IPRA investgating a fucking minor training accident. There is absolutely no reason in the world for them sticking their nose in a training accident. What is their investigation going to reveal? That it was a training accident? What a waste of time and money. Just another reason morale is crushed. STUPID!
who ever did that was an idoit,,,, investigation should be conducted... someone could have been hurt
If someone from IPRA passes himself off as a detective, lock him up.
Question for any officer that can answer... This article says "accidental discharge" is that accurate. I'm a marine and we use to use that term years ago but a few years back it was determined that no such thing exist! Any discharge is intended, either by intent(you fire with purpose) user error (you fucked up) or inproper maintenace (user or the armory not following the manual). Either way if a round exits the user end of your weapon then you are responsible for that round. Do you guys not work that way?
Rosenzweig needs to justify her existence over there
If pass themselves off as "Detectives", an actual position in this Department, would that not be a Rule 14 Violation?
Like our Boss said at roll call recently. He's had to shoot injured dogs and other animals over the years to put them out of their misery. It used to be just a Missile-X card. Then it became a T.R.R. Now they want will get an I.A.D. Sergeant out of bed in the middle of the night for you to drop urine and do a breath test.
Now, you would be better off beating the poor thing to death with a shovel! What if someone gets a cell phone video. That would be a viral hit on You-Tube, "Chicago Cop Beats Animal With Shovel!"
You thought we had problems with that cougar we shot on the north side a couple of years ago.
Enough of this sh*t when is this union going to do there fuc*kin job this is suppose to be a damn police department not kindergarten these mother fkers n this city have really lost there Fkin minds !!!!
What a miserable joke.
Liberals gone wild again. They're just protecting the public, don'cha know! They're like the stinkin' courts now, they get involved in stuff that they have no jurisdiction over and try to expand their mission.
This was the policy from the time OPS was created. If someone is struck as a result of a firearm discharge, even in the range, there was a U# and the circumstances were investigated. If it occurred as a result of carelessness or negligence then a CR# was initiated and some discipline was imposed. This is not something new from IPRA.
The fact is that the majority of IPRA investigations find no misconduct or wrongdoing by police. In order to justify their jobs IPRA is broadening the "incidents" they investigate looking for any reason to justify their job. I've seen some of the CR's that have been issued and they are totaly baseless. I would say laughable, but we all know that a bullshit CR against an officer is no laughing matter.
Look for a star/ID and if you don't see one, ask to see it before you talk to someone on scene.
Per the rules and regs, Department members must identify themselves if asked.
The ADS actually took a stand and said no to IPRA? I am truly amazed. Its about time that word entered his vocabulary.
IPRA is modeling itself after the British IPCC (Independent Police Complaint Commission) and over there they do charge Pc's with violations during firearms training, especially the instructors! If you look at the BBC website almost all police related stories end with the near obligatory 'is being referred to IPCC for investigation.' We're entering the age of : "Every bad outcome deserves punishment." Any Bobbies care to comment?
So was the CR written up on this as J-Walking or perhaps a parking ticket?
What exactly qualifies a member of IPRA to investigate anything? What training and educational background do they have to serve as investigators?
It's my understanding that they are politically appointed positions. Are unqualified persons serving in a capacity to investigate?
Is this why some officers from 006 were stripped when they were not even in the area of an alleged incident? Oh, wait. J-Fled the master investigator did that.
I guess when your sole purpose is to screw cops for politicians your objectivity is a bit clouded and you don't really do an investigation. You do a botched witch hunt that costs the city in the inevitable lawsuits which will follow.
Off topic:
To Lt. J.A.
Nice FOIA request, did you receive it yet?
I was told what J-Fleds e-mail said about you. That was fucked up.
Signed a little guy who works in the FOIA chain...
Completely messed up, completely.
I have not heard, or seen, that IPRA people were in the areas I have worked at trying to pimp information from POs on the ruse of being a Detective. However, I trust and believe this information.
My question, who do WE contact when WE want to make a complaint against THEM?
Surly this is beyond the scoop of their investigative powers, and it is surly immoral, deceitful and seems to be a case of entrapment.
Can IPRA investigators really misrepresent themselves as "detectives" and then order you to cooperate with their investigation? Is that really feasible?
*** KEEP MAKING ARRESTS, WRITE MOVERS, PARKERS, CURFEWS, ETC... ***
Like everyone else says: Don't cooperate with them, but be polite Call the FOP.
http://www.iprachicago.org/resources.html
Check out some of the cases.
Don't get yourself caught in a Rule 14 violation. What started out for some as a reprimand is now separation.
Off Topic:
Joe Curtin is still DEAD!
I just like seeing that in print.
Also
Screw IPRA!
Can a CR be put on an IPRA investigator? I would think if they represent themselves as "detectives" that would be a criminal charge of police impersonation.
Their classic act is to stand behind a group of tactical officers in the station or on the scene and listen. They hear what they want to hear. Beware they are looking for heads, guilty or not. They have no training, and their CPD turncoats were bullshit dicks.
Ok so some goof almost kills two other cops and your beefing because its being investigated? Someone should take time for this. If you can't even be safe on the range how can you on the street. I understand some will say accidents happen but what if this resulted in another officers serious injury or death? Just saying.
No Dumbass. Someone is bitching because IPRA doesn't have the power to investigate training accidents. Try to take the time to read what is being written.
Just remember the only people who have rights are the criminals and I wonder how many of them work for IPRA?
If an IPRA employee in any way, shape or form states directly, or otherwise implies that they are a police detective they are going to be arrested for impersonation by this sergeant.
(OT) Yet more terror drum beats, does the government know something we don't? Are we the "blue canaries" when we work subways? Where did daley and the 50 put all the homeland security dough?
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/attorney-general-eric-holders-blunt-warning-terror-attacks/story?id=12444727&tqkw=&tqshow=GMA&tqkw=&tqshow=GMA
No Dumbass. Someone is bitching because IPRA doesn't have the power to investigate training accidents. Try to take the time to read what is being written.
Actually dumbass IPRA investigates anytime a department members weapon is discharged.
Do not talk to ANYONE without consult with a representative.
As a member who was in the loop here, IPRA would have a case had the office discharged their weapon in a reckless fashion or outside the range, say in the class room or at the desk. This is NOT the case. General orders outline that these types of incidents do NOT rise to the level of a CR number. With this CR number, the department is telling you that if you train and make a mistake, we will punish you. My question to them is, "why train?" if you are not allowed to make minor mistakes? Unit Commanders need to address this issue right now. I suggest they not send any officer to firearms training until this practice is stopped. I know for a fact FOP is notified and I hope they take issue with this as much as I have. I would love to sign this with my name but I know better.
IPRA identifying themselves as POLICE DETECTIVES sounds like an arrest for impersonation to me..
A few months ago in 006 a gun was pointed at a PO shots were fired by the po not 1 strikeing the offender . A case report was generated nameing (the PO knew him)the offender. a few days later ipra showed up at this guys house brought him down to interview him and then let him go!!!!!Never contacting police saying that they had a named offender with them !!!The next day a unit in 6 spotted the guy grabed him and arrested him. He stated that he didnt think he was wanted seeing as ipra had him down town interviewing him yesterday !!! fop was contacted.Who knows what they will do!ipra is pretty fucked up !!!!!!!!!
This incident is a training issue, not something that happened on the street with the public present. It should be handled by the training staff.
I donno, someone should check out these accidental discharges. They had one a few years back at area 5 range. Perhaps they should have more weapons handling classes.
When you qualify next year just look over how some of those next to you shoot. Scary huh...
Just another useless waste of money,daley has stolen and thrown away so much of our money,now as he rides out with the loot we are broke.
Recently two officers got into a physical altercation. A supervisor pulled a C.R. number. IPRA now feels they should handle the complaint because it is a "brutality case". IAD always handled the investigation.
No Dumbass. Someone is bitching because IPRA doesn't have the power to investigate training accidents. Try to take the time to read what is being written.
12/21/2010 09:38:00 AM
UNFORRTUNATELY, THE WAY THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN, IPRA CAN INVESTIGATE ANY TYPE OF FIREARMS USE AND OR DISCHARGE BY CPD SWORN PERSONNEL.
THE BLAME RESTS WITH THE GUTLESS ALDERMEN AND THE IDIOTIC MAYOR THAT PASSED THIS ORDINANCE.
IF YOU THINK IPRA SHOULD BE REINED IN NOW'S THE TIME. HOLD THE ALDERMEN ACCOUNTABLE OR VOTE THEM OUT.
Anonymous said...
Ok so some goof almost kills two other cops and your beefing because its being investigated? Someone should take time for this. If you can't even be safe on the range how can you on the street. I understand some will say accidents happen but what if this resulted in another officers serious injury or death? Just saying.
12/21/2010 12:38:00 AM
Read the story again. The officer had an unfortunate incident, but he did not point his weapon at anyone on the range. His weapon discharged down range into the floor and then fragmented and they were hit in the leg by a fragments. The point to the story though, is IPRA has no business being part of the story.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Ok so some goof almost kills two other cops and your beefing because its being investigated? Someone should take time for this. If you can't even be safe on the range how can you on the street. I understand some will say accidents happen but what if this resulted in another officers serious injury or death? Just saying.
12/21/2010 12:38:00 AM
You must not spend much time around a range do you? This kind of thing happens all the time and nobody was seriously injured in this case so why add the insult. IPRA has NO BUSINESS in this incident and I'll add YOU need more range time.
OT -
When are the CPD St. Baldricks events normally set up? I signed up as a shavee but have been on the lookout for the A/5 event. Is that being planned this year?
There is no reason for IPRA to investigate training accidents. IPRA is a replacement for OPS, which was set up to involve allegations by the publice that did not involve criminal behavior, that was to be investigated by IAD. IPRA is there to make sure we play nice with the public. The only people who should be investigating a range accident are supervisors from the range, to determine what was done and what needs to be done to avoid the problem in the future.
Ok so some goof almost kills two other cops and your beefing because its being investigated? Someone should take time for this. If you can't even be safe on the range how can you on the street. I understand some will say accidents happen but what if this resulted in another officers serious injury or death? Just saying.
ok i would hardly say 2 other cops were almost killed.. almost killed is a far stretch from a round hitting the floor and ricocheting around. Its a range...they have booths and its called an accidental discharge for a reason.. IT WAS NOT INTENTIONAL...BETTER THAT IT HAPPENS ON THE RANGE THEN ON THE STREET...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Ok so some goof almost kills two other cops and your beefing because its being investigated? Someone should take time for this. If you can't even be safe on the range how can you on the street. I understand some will say accidents happen but what if this resulted in another officers serious injury or death? Just saying.
12/21/2010 12:38:00 AM
Someone needs to learn how to critically think! You must be perfect! Nobody got injured and everyone is fine and the officer whose gun misfired didn't intend to hurt anyone on purpose. Enough said.
*** KEEP MAKING ARRESTS, WRITE MOVERS, PARKERS, ANOV'S, CURFEWS, ETC...***
I understand some will say accidents happen but what if this resulted in another officers serious injury or death? Just saying.
if you ever read the g.os you would have your answer dumbass
I love the first poster. the officer did'nt almost kill anything, you over reactive opinionated asshole.. Like you said, just saying
Off topic:
To Lt. J.A.
Nice FOIA request, did you receive it yet?
I was told what J-Fleds e-mail said about you. That was fucked up.
Signed a little guy who works in the FOIA chain...
12/21/2010 08:06:00 AM
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Ok I'm taking the bait. What did it say. I don't want the exact language, paraphrase please.
We had multiple shootings of the roll call room ceiling during Wed. gun inspection during the 80's in the 2nd district and If I recall correctly they just got swept under the ceiling. HUH?
The shooting of the front desk during a quick draw demonstration was another matter but still, no heads seriously rolled over that one either. It was a different world then. G_d bless you [ that one was for you Rabi] for being able to work in today's environment. I couldn't handle it. Stay safe and watch each other's back. 1st and the 16th. still counts the most.
off topic but this department is being over run with a bunch of sissy suburban dorks. Since when did it start becoming cool for all the jerko**s from shaumburg, itasca, naperville, palatine and orland park(to name only a few) to come to chicago to become the police. You can always tell when a cpd copper grew up in the burbs... gel'd hair, nerdy personality, looks like he belongs in a dance club and an aweful sense of humor... what is becoming of this department???
Dear scc: what the hell is a "u" number? I know there's a log number and a cr number but for the life of me can't remember a u#.
http://www.iprachicago.org/resources.html 12/21/2010 08:47:00 AM. Thanks.
If one ever feels like doing any proactive police work again just look at the above site and its impartial(BULLSHIT) cases. Sustains for not filling out a contact card??? Also its great for morale, not like the morale is low or anything. Maybe someone should handout some of the IRPA findings after every role call/Pep rally, for that extra boost of motivation. Now go "Get em"!!!!!!
TO BEAT 1032 on Days today! (And the guy in the rubber gun unit)
Thank you very much for helping my lady get into her car when she locked herself out today at 24th and Pulaski. Your courtesy meant alot to her and myself and its nice to know that we as a police family help each other out. You never had to do what you did but you still took the time to do it and I do not want it to go unnoticed at all. Be safe this Christmas officer.
If anyone wants a good laugh, go over to the FOP website and click on Mayoral responses. Classic sh*t from the lesser known people.
Here’s a little tip for you when you are running for public office and you are responding to a union with over 10,000 members or more which belong to it:
You might want to check your spelling and/or your grammar.
Have a point when answering questions.
ONE WORD ANSWERS are not acceptable.
For the love of god, don’t f*cking write out your answers, type them out!!!
ok, new guy here whats an foia request?
True SCC!
We've seen these IPRA goofs wandering around shooting scenes "suited up" trying to pass themselves as detectives.
Someone is giving them leeway to do this. Either j-fled by way of shorty or the CCSAO.
The ranking officer on scene should be tearing the motherloving hide off these hacks. We wonder how many shooting/crime scenes have been compromised by these people because they want to hang a copper's scalp from their belts?
Perhaps if some of them get knocked down for being somewhere beyond the scope of their training and responsibilities, this foolishness will stop.
Integrity of the scene and safeguarding any witnesses from being influenced and tampered is paramount.
In regard to the negligent discharge?
Side-stepping the Commander of the unit of occurrence then side stepping the ADS of the Training Academy because you don't like their decision to "non-suit" is horse-shit.
Somebody(s) at IPRA should be hurt real bad for this. Up to and including termination and possible imprisonment.
Coppers tell them to get lost and they get an attitude.
off topic--- capt dd of 3rd watch 017 district has completely lost her mind--- she comes to roll call and starts blaming naysayers and bitter people for the current problems on her watch--- listen baby, all the people on third watch get along just fine--- capt liebert and barnas ran the watch before you and there were no problems--- you are the problem, you are the reason that the watch is in a state of chaos--- you can't manage anything and your roll call speeches are comical--- do us all a favor and hit that medical and get all your problems taken care of before you pull the pin.....,
My question, who do WE contact when WE want to make a complaint against THEM?
12/21/2010 08:07:00 AM
I do believe that would be the I.G's office And the Media (if you know anyone you can trust there).
but they wont go after the cop who shot his friend in the head after a long night of drinking. then the cop fights with the on duty responding police officers. you know how he's being punished for it??? he went from working a midnight beat car to working M-F days at 35th st weekends off. nice huh?
We are our own worst enemy.
TO MY FELLOW BROTHER AND SISTER COPS and Thos Deployed- GOD BLESS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND KEEPING MY FAMILY SAFE. HAVE A MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A HAPPY NEW YEAR. REMEMBER THE BEST CHRISTMAS EVER WAS THE FIRST ONE!-The Pentagon Coffee Maker
Anonymous said...
Ok so some goof almost kills two other cops and your beefing because its being investigated? Someone should take time for this. If you can't even be safe on the range how can you on the street. I understand some will say accidents happen but what if this resulted in another officers serious injury or death? Just saying.
12/21/2010 12:38:00 AM
Oh you must be one of those guys who were born on the job and never made a mistake in life or on the job. Congrats and FU.
This reminds me of an incident years ago on the West Side when an E.T. was call to recover a sawed off pump shot gun which was dumped under a parked car.
The E.T. photographed the gun in place and with gloves on, carefully picked up the weapon. His hand was around the pistol grip, fingers no where near the trigger, and as he stood up that piece of crap gun went BOOM!! Everybody dove out of the way but no one was hit by pellets. The E.T. was scratched by some spalled concrete in his ankles and calves.
What followed was a circus. The street deputy John J. Flanagan put this poor guy through the ringer as if this he was wantonly careless. The dicks, the district supervisors and everyone else tried to minimize this but it was everything but a round table.
A one of the participants said at the time, "I'm surprised he doesn't make us inventory his pants."
One of the dicks replied, "Don't give him any ideas."
Actually dumbass IPRA investigates anytime a department members weapon is discharged.
So double-dumbass, IPRA shows up when I qualify every year?
And I've actually been in the booth when a hot ricochet comes back and clips the guy next to me in the pants. IPRA must have come out for that one, too, eh double-dumbass?
IPRA has no authority to investigate training accidents, period. Read up on your General Orders sonny.
off topic--- capt dd of 3rd watch 017 district has completely lost her mind--- she comes to roll call and starts blaming naysayers and bitter people for the current problems on her watch--- SHE WORKS FOR MIKEY THAT SAYS IT ALL>HE IS A COWARD AND IF IT WERENT FOR HIS JD HE WOULD BE? Come on can you see he as the police or putting hands on anybody?Borat has more Balls
off topic but this department is being over run with a bunch of sissy suburban dorks. Since when did it start becoming cool for all the jerko**s from shaumburg, itasca, naperville, palatine and orland park(to name only a few) to come to chicago to become the police. You can always tell when a cpd copper grew up in the burbs... gel'd hair, nerdy personality, looks like he belongs in a dance club and an aweful sense of humor... what is becoming of this department???
12/21/2010 03:14:00 PM
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So growing up on the bad-ass, mean streets of Edison Park or Mt. Greenwood makes you worthy of being a chicago police officer. LOL
I've lived in the suburbs and now live in Edison Park and there is no difference, trust me.
Now if you tell me you grew up in the green or the gardens, that's a different story.
Get over yourself.
but they wont go after the cop who shot his friend in the head after a long night of drinking. then the cop fights with the on duty responding police officers. you know how he's being punished for it??? he went from working a midnight beat car to working M-F days at 35th st weekends off. nice huh?
12/21/2010 05:40:00 PM
YEAH WTF IS GOING ON WITH THIS CASE??? KEEP IT FUCKING QUIET & HOPE WE ALL FORGET ABOUT IT???
this is why these training are useless all training should be done by e learning then no problems would arise and no cr numbers issued .how in the hell can this happen with such intelligent range instructors this is why this is a waste of time but to take care of the connected officers they have these 3.5 useless training
we have to look out for each other
this should be a lesson learned
no more 3.5 training how many more incidents before the rocket scientist realized this should be
cancel for good .
stop packing the range with more officer than it can handle with these f*cking training !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If IPRA shows up on something like an AD on a training accident then treat it as a regular shooting. Wait for FOP lawyer, ask to be transported to the hospital due to a highly stressful situation. than tell them you were involved in a shooting (you were) and ask for medication to help you relax.
After a shot of Valium or similar tell IPRA to suck your undershorts clean and to come back in a few days.
SCC,
There is a Facsimile Message that was sent/created by a member of this Department in October 2008. This is NOT IPRA's doing. They are simply following an order given by a member of our Department.
It is certainly NOT funny that the exempts that were consulted about this issue were unaware of the order.
This is a training which the department forces upon its members then the result is now you fucked up so lets stick it to you ,where do we get these idiots
who run this department.
all these kings and queens who want to be more than christ
shame on you cause you know who u are it was an accident and shit happens .stop forcing these useless waste of time training this department should do every training by e learning believe me
its more useful and safe .
Well what the hell are you training at the range STOP TRYING THESE SPECIAL DIFFERENT IDEALS SMART ASS STAY WITH THE SAME COURSE AND TO THE RANGE INSTRUCTORS PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT IS GOING ON AT THE RANGE AND ASSIST WHEN YOU SEE SOMETHING WRONG THE PERSON RUNNING THE RANGE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE RANGE .............
if they arent part of the detective division, can they be arrested for impersonating the police if they identify themselves as a detective i believe they have total powers now and that really sucks.
Ok to clarify. Ops investigates all discharges at someone or when someone is hit.
This reminds me of the incident that occured in the academy 6 years ago when a PPO was supposed to do some dry fire, but instead there was a live round in the chamber and shot the round off in the hall way. Lucky for him, the instructor did not have his finger in the barrel like they used to do, to teach you sight alignment.
Ok so some goof almost kills two other cops and your beefing because its being investigated? Someone should take time for this. If you can't even be safe on the range how can you on the street. I understand some will say accidents happen but what if this resulted in another officers serious injury or death? Just saying.
If you are a cop who made this response, you are the goof. Yes, possibly the person should face some form of punishment Possibly.
If it was an accident we are lucky no one was seriously injured, but it was an accident. I'm sure the officer who fired the shot feels terrible and wished it never happen.
But it should be done by the Chicago police Department. Nobody stated the incident should not have been looked into, but it is beyond the scope for IPRA to get involved. If you believe IPRA should be involved in an accidental discharge during a training exercise, I pray to GOD almighty you are not a supervisor or never become one.
If it would of resulted in a serious injury or death, it would have been a terrible ACCIDENT and the officer would have had to live with that the rest of his life. Luckily it did not. i'm pretty sure the officer did not go to the training in the hopes to accidentally discharging his or her weapon and hurting someone.
What it does is remind us to be careful with our weapons and remember to be careful at all times.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
No Dumbass. Someone is bitching because IPRA doesn't have the power to investigate training accidents. Try to take the time to read what is being written.
Actually dumbass IPRA investigates anytime a department members weapon is discharged.
12/21/2010 10:06:00 AM
I discharged my weapon 100 time at the range the other day. Am I being investigated too?
No Dumbass. Someone is bitching because IPRA doesn't have the power to investigate training accidents. Try to take the time to read what is being written.
Actually dumbass IPRA investigates anytime a department members weapon is discharged.
Yeah Dumbass...In the line of duty...not a training exercise. I guess every time we qualify with our weapons, the entire CPD will be investigated. It was still a training exercise...Do me a favor,quit writng.
off topic--- capt dd of 3rd watch 017 district has completely lost her mind--- she comes to roll call and starts blaming naysayers and bitter people for the current problems on her watch--- listen baby, all the people on third watch get along just fine--- capt liebert and barnas ran the watch before you and there were no problems--- you are the problem, you are the reason that the watch is in a state of chaos--- you can't manage anything and your roll call speeches are comical--- do us all a favor and hit that medical and get all your problems taken care of before you pull the pin.....,
Seems to me you complained "bitterly" about Barnas all over this blog, so maybe you are one of the bitter naysayers, getting C.R. numbers on fellow P.O.s, too lazy and cowardly to back up your fellow officers. No wonder 017 has the reputation it has. No one wants to hear your whining. Go back under your rock.
12/21/2010 05:07:00 PM
Anonymous said...
Ok so some goof almost kills two other cops and your beefing because its being investigated? Someone should take time for this. If you can't even be safe on the range how can you on the street. I understand some will say accidents happen but what if this resulted in another officers serious injury or death? Just saying.
12/21/2010 12:38:00 AM
YOU NAILED IT!!!!!
I regret to inform you that your loved one will not be coming home anymore because some nimrod could not follow simple traing guidlines like keeping your finger off the trigger and shot two officers!
off topic but this department is being over run with a bunch of sissy suburban dorks. Since when did it start becoming cool for all the jerko**s from shaumburg, itasca, naperville, palatine and orland park(to name only a few) to come to chicago to become the police. You can always tell when a cpd copper grew up in the burbs... gel'd hair, nerdy personality, looks like he belongs in a dance club and an aweful sense of humor... what is becoming of this department???
Wow So only people that grew up in Chicago can be chicago police? Im sure theres good cops and bad cops everywhere.... And its spelled Schaumburg sheesh
So would IPRA come out if a fired cartridge case bounces off the booth and into the back of my shirt causing a really nice burn on my neck?
Don't they have anything else better to do? goofs
A few months ago in 006 a gun was pointed at a PO shots were fired by the po not 1 strikeing the offender . A case report was generated nameing (the PO knew him)the offender. a few days later ipra showed up at this guys house brought him down to interview him and then let him go!!!!!Never contacting police saying that they had a named offender with them !!!The next day a unit in 6 spotted the guy grabed him and arrested him. He stated that he didnt think he was wanted seeing as ipra had him down town interviewing him yesterday !!! fop was contacted.Who knows what they will do!ipra is pretty fucked up !!!!!!!!!
12/21/2010 10:45:00 AM
They let a KNOWN criminal go? A criminal that shoots at the Police?
Someone NEEDS to be in hancuffs over this!
Anonymous said...
Ok so some goof almost kills two other cops and your beefing because its being investigated? Someone should take time for this. If you can't even be safe on the range how can you on the street. I understand some will say accidents happen but what if this resulted in another officers serious injury or death? Just saying.
12/21/2010 12:38:00 AM
just saying--EITHER YOUR NOT A COP OR YOUR AN IMPORT WHO WILL THROW YOUR PARTNER UNDER THE BUS.
Too bad you guys now have to worry about who's in the car with you.
Ok so some goof almost kills two other cops and your beefing because its being investigated? Someone should take time for this. If you can't even be safe on the range how can you on the street. I understand some will say accidents happen but what if this resulted in another officers serious injury or death? Just saying.
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Your an Idiot! I'm Just saying!!
12/21/2010 10:06:00 AM
I discharged my weapon 100 time at the range the other day. Am I being investigated too?
12/21/2010 10:06:00 PM
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Was anybody injured???
Anonymous Anonymous said...
ok, new guy here whats an foia request?
12/21/2010 04:33:00 PM
google it nimrod
if they arent part of the detective division, can they be arrested for impersonating the police if they identify themselves as a detective i believe they have total powers now and that really sucks.
12/21/2010 09:32:00 PM
Are you fucking retarded? This is why everything is fucked up. You refuse to make a decision on your own when the answer is so obvious.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
As a member who was in the loop here, IPRA would have a case had the office discharged their weapon in a reckless fashion or outside the range, say in the class room or at the desk. This is NOT the case. General orders outline that these types of incidents do NOT rise to the level of a CR number. With this CR number, the department is telling you that if you train and make a mistake, we will punish you. My question to them is, "why train?" if you are not allowed to make minor mistakes? Unit Commanders need to address this issue right now. I suggest they not send any officer to firearms training until this practice is stopped. I know for a fact FOP is notified and I hope they take issue with this as much as I have. I would love to sign this with my name but I know better.
12/21/2010 10:17:00 AM
It's not minor if somebody had to go to the hospital.
off topic but this department is being over run with a bunch of sissy suburban dorks. Since when did it start becoming cool for all the jerko**s from shaumburg, itasca, naperville, palatine and orland park(to name only a few) to come to chicago to become the police. You can always tell when a cpd copper grew up in the burbs... gel'd hair, nerdy personality, looks like he belongs in a dance club and an aweful sense of humor... what is becoming of this department???
12/21/2010 03:14:00 PM
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So growing up on the bad-ass, mean streets of Edison Park or Mt. Greenwood makes you worthy of being a chicago police officer. LOL
I've lived in the suburbs and now live in Edison Park and there is no difference, trust me.
Now if you tell me you grew up in the green or the gardens, that's a different story.
Get over yourself.
12/21/2010 08:31:00 PM
Schaumberg to Edison Park. Now that is a tough road. Plenty of coppers white and black grew up in places WAY more fucked up then Edison Park and Mt. Greenwood. At least as far as Mt Greenwood goes,most of the cops that live there didn't grow up there. Now Edison Park is a different story.
Hey Guys. The F.O.P. is looking into this and might file a contract dispute if enough supporting information is gathered. Hang in there and be safe!
It's typical I have a degree, backstabbing to get ahead, ass kissing to try to make it on someones elses back yuppyism.
That copper has one hell of a lawsuit. Cmon Ipu or whatever you call yourselves ...bring it on.
Do what your supposed to do and you will have no problem on 3rd watch. As for how the Captain is being....I cant say that I blame the Captain much at all. You want to be upset? Start blaming the
4'11" walking talking mouth that got the watch all screwed up in the 1st place. IM not a big fan of the Captain. However...Do a few parkers and a mover here and there and you will be fine. I could care less whether I like a person or not at work. This isnt high school??? Just do your job and go home. You want to be happy, then make yourself happy, that sometimes includes doing something to avoid something...Got It? The only way to shut the Captian up is numbers. So whats the big deal.
It's spelt, Scumburg!
The ET in the Shotgun story took a day for that.
I am going to sit on the can and have an intentional discharge of some deadly stuff. IPRA can investigate the movement therein.
doesn't the order say cr# for all accidential discharges? CR# doesn't automatically mean tht]at someone will take time for this, just that it's officially investigated. Don't see this as a big deal.
Ok so some goof almost kills two other cops and your beefing because its being investigated?
It was being investigated you goof. This was a training accident that is not in the realm of IPRA. Why they are ramrodding this CR investigation is anyone's guess, though I would have to agree with the person who stated that this had to start from some exempts office.
Question:
Who investigates IPRA?
The same people who investigate Daley. Oh, wait.....no one investigates Daley.
Move along. Nothing to see here.
OT: What's with these Homeland Security Event Numbers being issued? I was working To-Spot the other day and I heard at least a dozen requests for these?
Anonymous said...
As a member who was in the loop here, IPRA would have a case had the office discharged their weapon in a reckless fashion or outside the range, say in the class room or at the desk. This is NOT the case. General orders outline that these types of incidents do NOT rise to the level of a CR number. With this CR number, the department is telling you that if you train and make a mistake, we will punish you. My question to them is, "why train?" if you are not allowed to make minor mistakes? Unit Commanders need to address this issue right now. I suggest they not send any officer to firearms training until this practice is stopped. I know for a fact FOP is notified and I hope they take issue with this as much as I have. I would love to sign this with my name but I know better.
12/21/2010 10:17:00 AM
IT IS NOT AN ACCIDENT A FIREARM ONLY FIRES WHEN YOU PULL THE TRIGGER THAT MAKES IT A NEGLIGENT DISCAHRGE ( Unless you have a piece of shit weapon in which case your NEGLIGENT>>>>>>>>>>> It s my life standing next to you that is gonna get fucked up when you let a round go that you did nt mean to ......... and yes asshat I ve been there done that and I got two fucking t shirts IPRA investigates when a P.O. discharges a weapon....... period and no ADS tried to do anything about it
I donno, someone should check out these accidental discharges. They had one a few years back at area 5 range. Perhaps they should have more weapons handling classes.
When you qualify next year just look over how some of those next to you shoot. Scary huh...
Hey Einstein......that's why its' called TRAINING! It's unfortunate, but this shit WILL happen. You are there to learn and as in all learning, mistakes will be made. If we didn't make mistakes, then we wouldn't need training.
This is a training which the department forces upon its members then the result is now you fucked up so lets stick it to you ,where do we get these idiots
who run this department.
all these kings and queens who want to be more than christ
shame on you cause you know who u are it was an accident and shit happens .stop forcing these useless waste of time training this department should do every training by e learning believe me
its more useful and safe .
12/21/2010 09:14:00 PM
You will be a boss one day because you are the biggest dumb fuck on the planet. Firearms training by elearning? My God you are a tool.
This place has suffered because of a lack of training. That's probably why this accident happened. Now you want to take what little is finally being offered away and train by elearning?
I take it back. You shouldn't be a boss. You should be the mayor. Now go fetch your fucking shine box you idiot.
I discharged my weapon 100 time at the range the other day....
12/21/2010 10:06:00 PM
Seiser did too but with one trigger pull.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
As a member who was in the loop here, IPRA would have a case had the office discharged their weapon in a reckless fashion or outside the range, say in the class room or at the desk. This is NOT the case. General orders outline that these types of incidents do NOT rise to the level of a CR number. With this CR number, the department is telling you that if you train and make a mistake, we will punish you. My question to them is, "why train?" if you are not allowed to make minor mistakes? Unit Commanders need to address this issue right now. I suggest they not send any officer to firearms training until this practice is stopped. I know for a fact FOP is notified and I hope they take issue with this as much as I have. I would love to sign this with my name but I know better.
12/21/2010 10:17:00 AM
It's not minor if somebody had to go to the hospital.
12/22/2010 02:04:00 AM
yeah, the injury was very minor. Not even a band aid was needed. Goof.
Remember something boys and girls...IPRA is notified by CPIC for any shooting incident. That's how they injected themselves. Look at the recent AMFN issued this last week.
This was a training incident. This is where we make mistakes and hone our skills. Why do you think we wear our vests? Thank God they weren't seriously hurt. Let's put blame where blame is due and that is on IPRA. Are there any bosses out there with balls to stand up to IPRA andsay enough is enough? Not anymore. If there were any, IPRA wouldn't listen to them anyway.
I got a really bad charlie horse while sitting in my squad...can ipra investigate please?
ok, new guy here whats an foia request?
Freedom Of Information Act.
Didn't they teach you anything in college?
off topic but this department is being over run with a bunch of sissy suburban dorks. Since when did it start becoming cool for all the jerko**s from shaumburg, itasca, naperville, palatine and orland park(to name only a few) to come to chicago to become the police.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
When you have to pull out your "I grew up in the mean streets" for credibility, it's time to reflect on what kind of loser you must be.
The single toughest, most bad assed, snake eating son-of-a-bitch I ever met grew up in an idyllic little town near Houston, TX.
He'd tear your heart out, eat if for lunch and laugh at your twitching corpse.
"I'm from Chicago, I'm so tough".
LOL. I bet that scares all the bullies away.
Oh, I grew up in the 'burbs, in a place shittier than 95% of the City of Chicago. Doesn't make me tough or a pussy.
It's who you are, not where you were raised. Of course, if you can't sell who you are, maybe you think where you were raised can make up for it.
If you can't even demonstrate basic firearm safety in a controlled, relatively safe setting maybe you shouldn't be carrying a firearm in the first place.
Watch the movie "The other guys" I call for a DESK POP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
12/21/2010 10:06:00 AM
I discharged my weapon 100 time at the range the other day. Am I being investigated too?
12/21/2010 10:06:00 PM
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Was anybody injured???
12/22/2010 01:56:00 AM
Yeah my trigger finger is sore going on the medical.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
So would IPRA come out if a fired cartridge case bounces off the booth and into the back of my shirt causing a really nice burn on my neck?
12/21/2010 11:49:00 PM
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They would if somebody called them. Who called them this time? They didn't just show up out of the blue, somebody dropped a dime.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
ok, new guy here whats an foia request?
Freedom of Information Act request!
Your welcome!
Don't worry, weapons training will soon be just like a video game. Thus no live fire. Ever see the training machine the academy's got which mimics armed kids running lose in a school?
You can identify yourself as a detective and not violate any laws. Private detectives and detectives who do corporate work do this all of the time. But, you cannot identify yourself as a Chicago police detective. That is the difference. Identifying yourself as a detective from IPRA is not a violation of any law. It might be an adminstrative violation of the IPRA, but you would have to ask them that question. If you think you can circumvent this and arrest someone for identifying themselves as a " detective", go ahead. It would make a great false arrest lawsuit.
Anonymous said...
Ok so some goof almost kills two other cops and your beefing because its being investigated? Someone should take time for this. If you can't even be safe on the range how can you on the street. I understand some will say accidents happen but what if this resulted in another officers serious injury or death? Just saying.
12/21/2010 12:38:00 AM
YOU NAILED IT!!!!!
I regret to inform you that your loved one will not be coming home anymore because some nimrod could not follow simple traing guidlines like keeping your finger off the trigger and shot two officers!
Hey two minute wonder with your "WHAT IF" sounds like you just got out of the academy. Nobody was shot and you are in a profession that has dangers whether on the street or at the range. Get some time on before you judge someone else. Keep on writing movers and parkers for our jagoff boss and go FY
Hey SCC, there a city ordinance which governs IPRA investigations. It requires that when IPRA receives an allegation against a PO and the PO is served, this starts a 6 month deadline. If IPRA has not finished the investigation after 6 months it SHALL notify the office of the mayor, and ALL complainants and respondents (PO's) in writing regarding the status of the investigation, the direction of the investigation and why the investigation has not been completed in the 6 month time frame. This is city ordinance and maybe FOP should start getting CR#s on IPRA and or start filing lawsuits. Your thoughts on this....
IPRA is a civilian organization.
CIVILIANS investigating officers.
Do not talk to them, do not help them with shit.
Daley started them up to appease the natives after all the "questionable" police shootings. They have found no improper actions by the police and should be dissolved. The next Mayor, or perhaps our FLOP should get them dissolved and save $ millions !
To all you morons that think this officer should take time obviously you must be part of the J-fed groupies. Giving him time will not correct what happen, training will correct or should I say help prevent or reduce this from happening.
Anonymous said...
IPRA is a civilian organization.
CIVILIANS investigating officers.
Do not talk to them, do not help them with shit.
Daley started them up to appease the natives after all the "questionable" police shootings. They have found no improper actions by the police and should be dissolved. The next Mayor, or perhaps our FLOP should get them dissolved and save $ millions !
12/22/2010 06:22:00 PM
And how would you suggest FOP (I assume you meant FOP) "get them dissolved?"
Is there some magic "get dissolved" button at the FOP offices that no one is aware of? Is there some mechanism by which the FOP (a labor union) can dissolve a unit of Chicago City government created by the mayor via city ordinance?
Please, let us know and I will be sure to forward your suggestions to FOP. (or perhaps you say FLOP)
I will take your comment as constructive criticism. As such you should be prepared to back it up with a realistic plan of action.
OK, it is time to enthrall us with your acumen. Get on with it, take all the time you need, but hurry.
Anonymous said...
Hey SCC, there a city ordinance which governs IPRA investigations. It requires that when IPRA receives an allegation against a PO and the PO is served, this starts a 6 month deadline. If IPRA has not finished the investigation after 6 months it SHALL notify the office of the mayor, and ALL complainants and respondents (PO's) in writing regarding the status of the investigation, the direction of the investigation and why the investigation has not been completed in the 6 month time frame. This is city ordinance and maybe FOP should start getting CR#s on IPRA and or start filing lawsuits. Your thoughts on this....
12/22/2010 04:56:00 PM
Actually this usually works in favor of the officer. The longer it takes the more likely a favorable outcome might be obtained or the more likely it is to win via arbitration. Memories fade, evidence gets old, there is time and reason to challenge any unfavorable investigation as not timely.
But you knew that.
You can identify yourself as a detective and not violate any laws. Private detectives and detectives who do corporate work do this all of the time. But, you cannot identify yourself as a Chicago police detective. That is the difference. Identifying yourself as a detective from IPRA is not a violation of any law. It might be an adminstrative violation of the IPRA, but you would have to ask them that question. If you think you can circumvent this and arrest someone for identifying themselves as a " detective", go ahead. It would make a great false arrest lawsuit.
12/22/2010 02:16:00 PM
You are a fucking retard. The only thing that has been circumventing is brain using your westside logic. If you represent yourself as a police officer of any kind(which is what you would be doing calling yourself a detective and asking an po about a shooting or information regarding a case) and you are not, you are impersonating a police officer.
For the asshat who thinks the 017 Dist. 3rd watch captain's speeches ar comical, what a sad reflection on what this job has become. From what I see, about half the watch are good decent coppers and the other half are a bunch of high-school back-stabbers that couldn't be a pimple on a police officers butt. She told the the high-schoolers to knock off their pimpy shit and start backing each other up and looking out for each other. Wants us to stick together all the time, not just at officers funerals. And now we just lost a couple of CFD brothers to add to our own losses this year. We need to prioritize people, all of us.
Sure its ok if you think IPRA can take all the tim they want while our guys/gals sit at call back for years. Care to join them in a cubicle?? Didnt think so. IPRA/IAD are not trained to do proper investigations and subject us all to bs and head hunting agendas...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
As a member who was in the loop here, IPRA would have a case had the office discharged their weapon in a reckless fashion or outside the range, say in the class room or at the desk. This is NOT the case. General orders outline that these types of incidents do NOT rise to the level of a CR number. With this CR number, the department is telling you that if you train and make a mistake, we will punish you. My question to them is, "why train?" if you are not allowed to make minor mistakes? Unit Commanders need to address this issue right now. I suggest they not send any officer to firearms training until this practice is stopped. I know for a fact FOP is notified and I hope they take issue with this as much as I have. I would love to sign this with my name but I know better.
12/21/2010 10:17:00 AM
It's not minor if somebody had to go to the hospital.
12/22/2010 02:04:00 AM
yeah, the injury was very minor. Not even a band aid was needed. Goof.
12/22/2010 07:59:00 AM
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Then why did they go to the hospital?
If you think that you can arrest an investigator from IPRA for impersonating the police because he told someone he was a detective, you my friend are the fucking retard. No ASA would ever approve the charges and i doubt any watch commander would sign that arrest report. So go ahead, Mr. Tough guy knowitall and do it. IPRA cannot order you to do anything, but if you refuse, they will bring on a police supervisor and then order you to cooperate. Refuse then, knowitall and you might be looking for a new job. Many of the supervisors are retired chicago police officers who have lost their way for money. Years ago, when the department advocates office was sending back the majority of the cr investigations from Professional Standards, their response was to stop sending the cases to the advocates office, not increase the quality of investigations. You might think IPRA oversteps their boundaries and abuses their power, but frankly, no one cares what you think. Only the mayor and city counsel have anything to say about this. Even the FOP is powerless.
Then why did they go to the hospital?
12/23/2010 03:32:00 AM
Thats where the pretty nurses are?
OT: What's with these Homeland Security Event Numbers being issued? I was working To-Spot the other day and I heard at least a dozen requests for these?
12/22/2010 07:20:00 AM
Nice try Mr. Terrorist. We can't be fooled that easily!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Then why did they go to the hospital?
12/23/2010 03:32:00 AM
Thats where the pretty nurses are?
12/23/2010 10:12:00 AM
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Good answer. But the point being made is you can't have it both ways. Either is was a big nothing and not even a band aid was needed, or it was something and several officers had to go to the hospital. I know how seriously I have to be hurt to go to the hospital and if they went for minor scratches, shame on them for making it sound worse than it was. So the question remains, are they investigating an incident where, on paper, several officers had to be treated at an emergency room? Then it's a big difference, on paper, from a minor training mishap. You can't have it both ways.
12/23/2010 08:23:00 AM
If you think that you can arrest an investigator from IPRA for impersonating the police because he told someone he was a detective, you my friend are the fucking retard. No ASA would ever approve the charges and i doubt any watch commander would sign that arrest report. So go ahead, Mr. Tough guy knowitall and do it
Look knit-wit. You don't know shit about states attorneys or watch commanders you dumb fuck. First of all it is a misdemeanor. Considering the fact that you didn't know what constitutes impersonating a police officer I highly doubt you would know what a WC would or would not do.
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IPRA cannot order you to do anything, but if you refuse, they will bring on a police supervisor and then order you to cooperate. Refuse then, knowitall and you might be looking for a new job.
Nobody ever said you could refuse an order from a supervisor you fool. A supervisor also WILL NOT order you to do anything IPRA tells you. That is why your beloved IPRA is trying to bamboozle coppers by telling them they are "detectives."
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Many of the supervisors are retired chicago police officers who have lost their way for money. Years ago, when the department advocates office was sending back the majority of the cr investigations from Professional Standards, their response was to stop sending the cases to the advocates office, not increase the quality of investigations. You might think IPRA oversteps their boundaries and abuses their power, but frankly, no one cares what you think. Only the mayor and city counsel have anything to say about this. Even the FOP is powerless.
Frankly, your uninformed opinion is wrong. Next time an IPRA detective approached you or one of your buddies encourage them to spill their guts because they have no other option. Disregard the attorney the FOP sends you because you are powerless over the mighty IPRA and their detectives. Just go back to sleep before you cause somebody to lose their jobs.
Ok so some goof almost kills two other cops and your beefing because its being investigated? Someone should take time for this. If you can't even be safe on the range how can you on the street. I understand some will say accidents happen but what if this resulted in another officers serious injury or death? Just saying.
You sound like a f$^^king yuppie. What if, what if, omg what if...
WELL IT DIDNT HAPPEN!!!!!!! STFU
Who's the head of IPRA, the liberal outsider??
Fuck these goofs!!! Don't talk to anyone you don't know and get your rep. present. Document names, star, employee numbers, and show I.D. Protect yourself because once you talk they got you!!!
For badly uninformed anon commentator. 720 ILCS 5/32, False Impersonation of a Peace Officer is a Class 4 felony and has been for some time. It was common practice ( unless something has changed recently) for an officer to be ordered to cooperate in an internal investigation if he first refuses. OPS would call in a police sergeant who was assigned to them and then order the officer to cooperate. No one said FOP attorney is powerless, but it is settled case law that an employee must cooperate in an internal investigation or face losing their job. Unless, that is, they take the 5th. And, unless things have changed, the IPRA can investigate anything that the superintendent directs them to investigatate. Remember, the brass have stated it before, the orders are orders for you, guidleines for them.Next time, discuss the facts. And, the fact that you thought impersonating a peace officer was a misdemeanor is very telling on what you really know.
IPRA has no jurisdiction but even if it is a training excecise and an accidental discharge a CR number has to be obtained, you get it thru IPRA and they send it on to IAD, its called in-attention t to duty anyway to look at it, the officer did not follow the rules and any way you look at it, it warrants looking into per our orders, I'm not defending or condeming anyone, but it is what it is.
For badly uninformed anon commentator. 720 ILCS 5/32, False Impersonation of a Peace Officer is a Class 4 felony and has been for some time. It was common practice ( unless something has changed recently) for an officer to be ordered to cooperate in an internal investigation if he first refuses. OPS would call in a police sergeant who was assigned to them and then order the officer to cooperate. No one said FOP attorney is powerless, but it is settled case law that an employee must cooperate in an internal investigation or face losing their job. Unless, that is, they take the 5th. And, unless things have changed, the IPRA can investigate anything that the superintendent directs them to investigatate. Remember, the brass have stated it before, the orders are orders for you, guidleines for them.Next time, discuss the facts. And, the fact that you thought impersonating a peace officer was a misdemeanor is very telling on what you really know.
12/24/2010 09:56:00 AM
(720 ILCS 5/32‑5.1) (from Ch. 38, par. 32‑5.1)
Sec. 32‑5.1. False Personation of a Peace Officer. A person who knowingly and falsely represents himself or herself to be a peace officer commits a Class 4 felony.
(Source: P.A. 94‑730, eff. 4‑17‑06.)
w(720 ILCS 5/17‑2) (from Ch. 38, par. 17‑2)
Sec. 17‑2. False personation; use of title; solicitation; certain entities.
(a) A person commits a false personation when he or she falsely represents himself or herself to be a member or representative of any veterans' or public safety personnel organization or a representative of any charitable organization
(d) Sentence. False personation, unapproved use of a name or title, or solicitation in violation of subsection (a), (b), (b‑5), or (b‑10) of this Section is a Class C misdemeanor. False personation in violation of subsections (a‑5) and (c‑6) is a Class A misdemeanor. False personation in violation of subsection (a‑6) of this Section is a petty offense for which the offender shall be fined at least $100 and not exceeding $200. Engaging in any activity in violation of subsection (c‑1), (c‑2), (c‑3), (c‑4), or (c‑5) of this Section is a Class 4 felony.
(Source: P.A. 95‑331, eff. 8‑21‑07; 96‑328, eff. 8‑11‑09.)
Your IPRA hero is claiming to be a detective but not a peace officer, hence your private detective reference. He would be guilty of the above misdemeanor. For him to be guilty of the felony he would have to claiming to be the police i.e. placing you under arrest(restricting movement), seizing property.
Maybe it is time to put this discussion to rest. I am hoping that the IPRA investigators see this discussion and have enough concerns to stop the bullshit. But, I doubt it.
I always thought the misdeameanor offense was directed at those who pose as members of police fraternal organizations to solicite funds or those who place FOP stickers on their cars and they are not the police. I did not imagine that you could use this on an IPRA member who just state he is a detective. Maybe I am wrong.
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