::SNAP!!:: It's Like Magic!!
- Mayor Rahm Emanuel's decision to put hundreds more officers on the beat this summer represents a significant shift away from the Chicago Police Department's strategy of fighting crime with specialized units.
Under former Superintendent Jody Weis, units such as the Mobile Strike Force were beefed up. The idea was that pulling officers from the districts would allow more flexibility to move them to neighborhoods experiencing spikes in gang and gun violence.
The new mayor's strategy, first reported in the Tribune, puts an emphasis on the department's interaction with residents, officials said. The officers will stop parachuting into hot spots and focus on crime within district boundaries.
So instead of TRU and MSF spending all their time in Districts like 003, 004, 005, 006, 007, 008, 011 and 015, they'll be assigned directly to 003, 004, 005, 006, 007, 008, 011 and 015. It's brilliant!
Wait a minute....
Don't get us wrong, we're still of the opinion that overlapping and redundant assignments should be phased out and eliminated. We're just amused as hell that Rahm is so blatantly claiming credit for half of his "1,000 more cops on the street" promise based on a paper move that increases the number of cops on the street by exactly "zero."
Wait a minute....
Don't get us wrong, we're still of the opinion that overlapping and redundant assignments should be phased out and eliminated. We're just amused as hell that Rahm is so blatantly claiming credit for half of his "1,000 more cops on the street" promise based on a paper move that increases the number of cops on the street by exactly "zero."
- Asked twice whether he still intends to honor his campaign promise to put 1,000 additional officers on the street, Emanuel appeared to hedge. His staff subsequently argued that Emanuel promised 1,000 new officers “on the beat” and that, by that measure, he’s half-way home.
The above statement was brought to you by the Goalpost Movers Local #76 and The Committee to Re-elect Rahm Emanuel.
The FOP isn't impressed:
The FOP isn't impressed:
- “To say this is 500 more officers on the street — no, it’s not. Don’t mislead the public. There are no more police officers today than there were yesterday. They’re taking 500 officers as if they were never on the street and putting them into beat cars. They’re acting as if they were assigned to some desk duty,” [someone was quoted as saying].
Let's see if the media gives Rahm a pass on this smoke and mirror bullshit the way they did for Shortshanks.
Labels: city politics, department issues
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
237 Comments:
At least these guys were out patrolling and being the police. Now lets get all the useless coppers that have been sitting inside for years getting weekends off doing nothing but keeping a chair warm while they talk on the phone, back on the streets. The biggest waste is the coppers that sit inside doing a job that's not necessary.
The man couches his words VERY carefully. He did not say he would immediately add 1000 police to the payroll; he said he would put 1000 on the street. He recently amended that to 'on the beat'.
Think like an attorney. The phrasing is EVERYTHING. He's very, very SLICK.
Yeah; it's like magic. And all magic is, is sleight of hand and misdirection.
NO MORE DESK SERGEANTS!
75 more sergeants that will be hard charging the streets!!!
"I see crime will soon be a thing of the past in our fair city."
~ Chief O'Neil (circa 1904)
I saw this on Ch 32 news tonight. They said the new Supt will be on the AM news during the 7:00am hour, and Shields will be on in the 9:00am hour. New administration, same smoke and mirrors.
Sounds like a load of crap to me. Seriously, why not just hire more police? I am assuming that we can just cut deny Daley's request for bodyguards. And maybe we can cut the number of bodyguards that Rahm has. Not to mention we could also stop the flowerpots and privatize the "Taste of Chicago" in order to raise some revenues.
This is seriously a load of crap. We need more bodies on the department!
Could have just left those units intact...
I know they'd duck and dodge calls, but have the supervisors ACT LIKE SUPERVISORS and enforce the rules for once instead of just taking the extra pay with no decision making ability at all!
5/24/2011 10:07:00 PM
Sorry, but I've BEEN one of those supervisors who 'acted like one' and enforced the rules. (Just those petty ones, like showing up reasonably on time and giving the Dept an entire tour and answering their cells to take their jobs...)
You don't survive more than half a minute when you supervise 'properly' in a unit.
You get told you don't know how the game is played. You learn that most of your people have more clout than you do, you watch the cutie pies get their 3 or 4hr days and the retired deputy's nephew catch all the overtime. You get hobbled and if you don't play along, you get dumped.
Until the entire mindset of this organization changes, most supervisors in specialized units aren't going to be allowed to supervise. They are nothing more than chair-fillers who are required to look the other way or lose their spots.
I hope McSupe can change it, but you don't change a whole culture overnight.
So TRU and MSF are not disbanded yet. they have 90 days starting Sunday to either disband unit and open up city wide bidding for all affected members of Msf and TRU only. They cannot by contract be detailed more than 90 days and after the 90 days they cannot be detailed until 180 days elapse. so what happens to the 5 MSF sgts that were detailed on 28 April 2011, the first wave of anti violence inititive , their detail ends on 20 July 2011 and by their contract cannot be re- detailed until 180 days? Will they run around homan by themselves playing hide and seek while their counter parts are detailed out? Will they open Bids for them ? I think the city has no clue what to do other that say they put 500 officers on the street and New Sup isn't even approved yet. Also let's not for get the disbanded OCD cage teams that are In the areas doing the exact things they did In OCD just now assigned to patrol.
....but wait theres more to come : by end of June OCD and GEU and training division will detail another 100 or so officers... where are the districts getting the cars, radios, tasers and lockers for all of these men and woman? Both unions should step up and protect all these officers that are affected, have been affected and will be affected by Rahms insanity .
Remember Rham came from the Obama administration. We are in trouble!!!
If crime is down as it is being reported by the news media....then why do you need to move all these officers from TRU and MSF to the districts?
Why change what is working???
What are the 2 commanders in charge of now? what about the LTS AND sgts?
Officers being detailed: Don't be afraid to insist that your unit of detail provides a secure place, aka a locker, to store your things even if only on a nightly basis. Don't forget that one of our own, Thor, was murdered not even a year ago in the parking lot of a police facility. He probably would not have been a target if he had a secure place to change and take off his equipment. This is a safety issue and I for one will be the first in line to file an unsafe working environment complainant. I realize we all have done this but why should we risk our lives because the city/department are too lazy to do an audit of their facilities.
the big bosses are calling this "operation blue scarecrow", sorry can't reveal my sources
why did anybody vote for him~ I didn't
But I am not suprised ~ he will be worse
Than Daley towards Police & Fire~
MMMMmmmmm, looks like they are feeding us more bullshit!! Who's hungry!!??
The sad part is that the city has shown us once again it will lie and lie and lie and people will just shrug it off. Unfortunately the ones that are really getting screwed are the officers in MSF, TRU, and Canine.....yes, that's right I said Canine. What?...You didn't hear? Oh, well let me tell you. At 0100hrs Georgas' office called MSF and told them the Canine officers also had to put in par forms along with their sergeants to one of the districts listed by SCC in the post. And the forms need to be submitted by 1000hrs WED. I'm sure there are quite a few officers that are loving what's happening to these units and that is pretty sad. Say what you want but those officers are getting screwed. Good luck if you live North because your commute to work @ $4 per gal. is gonna suck. Our job is stressful enough on a daily basis. Rather than the city try to work with the officers they shove shit down our throats again and again. Does anyone really wonder why the divorce rate is so high among police? Or how about cops w/ drinking problems or worse...taking their own lives? Before laughing at what happened to those officers try to have a little sympathy for them.
I hope the 90 days goes by quick for all you guys. Remember, the city just screwed you, hit the medical if you need to... And stay safe out there.
Oh, one other thing. TO ALL YOU TAX PAYING CITIZENS OF CHICAGO. SCREW YOU. KEEP PAYING YOUR TAXES SO THE COPS CAN BE ASSIGNED WHERE THE TAXES ARE THE LOWEST. And while you are at it, don't forget to sign your kids up at private schools. We would REALLY have a budget crisis at CPS if suddenly there were a few thousand more students to teach. I mean, it's OK for your tax dollars to fund public schools, that way the people that don't pay taxes can send their kids and we can feed them breakfast and lunch for free.
BOHICA!!!!
what happens to all those who tattooed "MSF" on their bodies? they still get to stay?
O.T.:
I heard King Ritchie has found a job! Professor at U of C.
You have got to be shitting me. How would you like to be paying $50 k plus a year to send your kid to prestigious U of C only to find out he's being "taught" by this clown. They'll have to provide each student with a decoder ring to interpret all the mumbles and dems and dose.
Since King Ritchie is now supplementing his princely retirement pension shouldn't the city charge him for all this free security and vehicles he's getting?
Whadda ya say Rahm???
Geez...here we go again! Mayor running the police dept. NOT the super!
Hey now, typical politician, a good choice of words.Mayor did say more officers on the streets,that's just what he did, technically speaking . Lol.
Hey Tact is in blue and Gangs are in BDUs. Where the hell did all these cops come from?! So glad that Da Mayor(2) is so full of new and fresh ideas.
Smoke and Mirrors
It all depends on what the meaning of 'is' is...
Notice it's 'Rahm's plan', etc. Notice no credit to GM. GM will only be allowed to do what Rahm orders. Don't kid yourselves kids, this dept. will be business as usual.
Plus, if it's tru GM called the people in patrol 'dogs', why isn't anyone jumping up and down about that comment? WTF?
Remember when the black community said it was under siege with crack cocaine? They wanted tougher penalties for it as opposed to powder cocaine. A couple of years later, the poverty pimps were screaming that it was racism that got the tougher sentences for crack and they wanted the additional penalty removed. They got what they wanted and then screamed about it a couple of years later.
Now, just what does this have to do with more officers in crime infested neighborhoods? They're hollering they want more cops because they need them. Don't bother to notice that the beats in the nice areas are huge and the beats in say 015 are about the size of a stamp. Now they're getting their extra cops, that they don't pay taxes for and in a few months, they'll start hollering that the police are an occupying army that they don't want around them any longer.
You just can't beat ghetto logic, they get what they want and then don't want after they get it every time.
Off topic: HIstory in the making!
Reading the Scum-Times article of Rahm & McSupe
making an appearance in the 006th Dist. yesterday,
I saw a picture of Jackson standing there with them.
It then occurred to me, that JJ has made history: He's
worked as the 1st Deputy (or Asst. Supt. or whatever
title he's working under these days) under 3 different
Supts: J-Fled, Hillard, and now McCarthy. That's got
to be some kind of record, although JJ will likely be
out of there by the end of the 1st week of June, if
that long.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/5570104-417/top-cop-has-plan-to-go-after-michigan-ave.-flash-mob-rings
The more I look at your new Supt., the more I think he looks like Double J from Saturday Night Fever.
He is from Jersey, isn't he?
---not a cop
This is all just smoke and mirrors. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss....
SGT PW, Deuce Veinte
I don't know why, but Obama has told me to come over here and wish you a Happy 6th Birthday. I still think you are a bunch of Infidels, though.
The sad thing is the voting public will actually believe him because yes they are that fucking stupid.
These are the same idiots that voted Todd Stroger into office.
Shanks but no thanks for the smoke and mirrors. At least extra short did not pretend to pull Cops out of thin air.
Meet the new boss......same as the old boss!
HOW MUCH is the new Superintendent making?
Does he get a PENSION?
Whomever the fool is that thinks inside people do nothing either has less the ten years on the job with no real knowledge of what it takes to help run an organization this large, or just the typical synical cop who would complain even when getting a pay raise. Our department has sent more admin officers and sergeants back to the districts in the last two years then ever in it history. Really we need to stop pointing fingers at each other and start voicing our frustration with the city and alderman. A management tool is to cause anger and frustration within ranks that way we don't point it toward management. Let's all stick together and hope the current ASO stays as First Deputy, we all know he is the real police and is all about the guys and gals on the beat. He had his legs cut off under Weis and 3M thats why he was so quiet under Weis. The new guy seems like he is not quick to react and is at least interviewing the exempts unlike Weis. But that ASA and Kirby I hope he sees through their BS, certainly not for the rank and file!
They did the same thing years ago when the Dectective Div was consolidated, all of a sudden there were 1500 detectives, not 200 youth officers, 300 gang crime specialists, 500 property crimes, & 500 violent crimes dicks, sounds alot better doesn't it.
Tnese are not exact numbers but you get the illusion of "having more" by pooling everyone together 'on paper'.
Still the Det Div is short staffed and no promotions in the budget. So how will the City hire officers when they can't meet the pension obligations.
Under Rahms leadership, who's job is it to create the smoke and who cleans all those mirrors?
Meanwhile, "area detectives are investigating and nobody is in custody".
Look to the Training Division for some warm bodies.These retards spend their whole career telling war stories to the recruits. Our department need qualified street cops as instructors and not house cats. Any copper at the academy or range for more then a year should be returned to street duty.
Wow! The mayor's office says "We're" hald way there already. Referring to his promise to immdeictely put 1000 more police on the streets. It's as if those 500 officer weren't already on the street. Either he's just another lying bag of shit like Daley or he really hasn't a clue.
Hey, at least now those ex-mobile strike force guys will be able to do paper jobs.
Anonymous said...
Yeah; it's like magic. And all magic is, is sleight of hand and misdirection.
5/25/2011 12:23:00 AM
Maybe Wizzo is a better nickname than Ballerino or 9.5
"someone was quoted as saying"
Hilarious! It's good to be you...
Now, just what does this have to do with more officers in crime infested neighborhoods? They're hollering they want more cops because they need them. Don't bother to notice that the beats in the nice areas are huge and the beats in say 015 are about the size of a stamp. Now they're getting their extra cops, that they don't pay taxes for and in a few months, they'll start hollering that the police are an occupying army that they don't want around them any longer.
You just can't beat ghetto logic, they get what they want and then don't want after they get it every time.
5/25/2011 06:23:00 AM
You write the truth! They'll be bitching about being in Occupied Englewood, Occupied Gresham and on and on and on. Momma will be screaming at the cameras...oh, what's the use? This shit will never end. It is a never-ending cycle. Ghetto logic is inexplicable.
It gets better, now we hear they are not totally disbanding. They are keeping 3 Lts and 2 sgts and 60 handpicked pos from msf to be sent to area 3, 4, 5.
Didn't msf run a whole unit at one time with 3 lts?
So with the city short boss es, Lts citywide ruining all over at time and a half, we have the luxury of 1 Lt per 2 sgts?? What are you thinking? Explain this to the taxpayers in a cash strapped city.
And another specialty unit on area 3.? What for?
McCarthy is running CPD
he knows the units work about
2 hrs a day and Rahm did say he would put 1,000 cops on the street
and that's what he's doing
quit beefin , now if they cut some exempts and clean out homan sq , crime lab and mass transit we'll be able to get some time due and have 2 man cars in district
rumor is McCarthy checked gps records and found out real quick how much time msf and tru actually spent on the street where they were assigned
Instead of finding all the officers hiding inside, just check each dist and 35 th street , in order to really put more officers back on the street, this new administration decided to put the officers that where on the street and already in patrol, on the street and into patrol. And no I didn't repeat myself this is what ready happened.
McCarthy good job , keep pressure on the units , now look into all the inside officers your current exempt command staff are hiding
dump the merit commanders that put the beat officer at risk , by creating do nothing office jobs
SCC if you really think about it and do the math the #'s show in real time that you gain approx 375 officers. This is illustrated by the fact that in the past those 500 officers in those units only averaging/produced 2 hrs of work per day(waisted deployment time-to&from district,workingout?,2 hr lunches, 8 on 1 bag arrest) Now you've gained 6hrs per officer x 500= 3000hrs/8hrs=375- might not be scientific but interesting ay
Significantly reducing the number of sworn in administrative positions is the real test of the new superintendent. Hire more civilians and put the sworn on the street where they belong. I believe that McCarthy is the real deal. I wonder whether the mayor is the real deal. There are a lot of protected people in the department. They will not go down easily. They love their evenings and weekends off and many appear to be afraid of the streets. I have seen them add ribbons to their uniforms and never leave the buiildings, just by adding their name to the paperwork.
I wouldn't believe what a MSF officer said about the sup calling distict coppers dogs- sounds like sour grapes to me!
what s with the attitude? bosses-dicks-tac-gangs and fellow blueshirts? i have plenty of time on the job and try to enjoy myself and keep a positive attitude toward my co-workers. stop with this bitter whining bullshit. its old and you ve got a long road to go.
The bad guys don't given a shit 'bout our numbers. Has anyone noticed how blatant they have been about owning the streets? We are of little concern to them. Please, be careful. Rhambo is not out there with us. He does not smell, nor does he care about, the danger we face.
Always, always...call for back-up. If you can't get it on time...walk away. Much better than the alternative.
Ghetto logic? Yes, I predict that by the end of Summer, the reverands will be claiming that the black community if " over policed". I actually heard some people in the recent past use this term . The really do believe that the reason more blacks are in jail then whites is they are " over policed" and that the crime rate and propensity for crime is no different in the black neighborhoods then in the white neighborhoods. That is just a way to duck solving the real issue: poverty, lack of education , lack of transportation and drugs and alcohol and taking responsibility.
Its called getting more bang for your buck. Its a great move, need to send gangs back to their dists and we should be good for the summer.
He once moved the housing market into a big bubble and sold before it went down. There was a need for police and he made 500 of them without spending a dime. When he drinks beer he prefers dosekis. Stay thirsty my friends.
O.T.:
I heard King Ritchie has found a job! Professor at U of C.
You have got to be shitting me. How would you like to be paying $50 k plus a year to send your kid to prestigious U of C only to find out he's being "taught" by this clown. They'll have to provide each student with a decoder ring to interpret all the mumbles and dems and dose.
Since King Ritchie is now supplementing his princely retirement pension shouldn't the city charge him for all this free security and vehicles he's getting?
Whadda ya say Rahm???
5/25/2011 03:17:00 AM
Is there that much of a difference with Daley teaching than some of our former meritourous exempts that are teaching in the College system?
Anonymous said...
Remember Rham came from the Obama administration. We are in trouble!!!
5/25/2011 01:09:00 AM
Read the book Gangster Politics, it will give you an idea what direction were headed into.
Great News! These guys are legends in their own minds. It doesn't do shit policing these animals on south and west side. Now he needs to open bids for the tax paying districts that are operating one man beat cars on afternoons. 016 has less than 200 officers for 38 Square miles of land, and the highest population of any district. Since 75% of department lives there, lets start protecting the home front. Fuck these dogs!.
I am sure this is to late, but any copper that filled out a PAR form just screwed themself. They WANT you to fill out the PAR form because you are then stuck in that district for an entire year! They are using the tactic "if you dont fill one out, you will be assigned at our disrection". Well, with the choices available, it really doesn't make a difference if you live north or south your not saving much if anything on any commute. And, without the PAR form you are only stuck there for 90 days, at the end of 90 days you can not be detailed for another 180 days. The bosses do not want this, they want you contractually stuck there for a year! Don't give them what they want, force them to open up a city wide bid. GRIEVE, GRIEVE, GRIEVE!
Just watched Sheilds on Fox 32. If he doesn't know how many police we are down -- WTF. he sits on the Pension Board, how many are paying in, FOP Pres, how many are paying dues. How many paid in 2009? The buck stops on one of his desks -- WTF -- Mickey. Get with the program asshole.
"...you don't change a whole culture overnight."
The Daley Administration featured a Culture of Criminality. It started at the top. You can't rid CPD of this.
Clout rules. Don't be naive.
Anonymous said...
Look to the Training Division for some warm bodies.These retards spend their whole career telling war stories to the recruits. Our department need qualified street cops as instructors and not house cats. Any copper at the academy or range for more then a year should be returned to street duty.
5/25/2011 07:53:00 AM
McCarthy heard you son and he detailed out from the academy 20 PO's and 2 sgts to districts. But somehow, they left the front office staff alone. Two full duty secretaries, in civilian positions who answer phones are saved while trained, talented and experienced instructors are detailed out to districts. Those secretaries have not seen a classroom in years. I was one of the officers detailed out and maybe that was a blessing. God help the next CPD recruit class.
I have to agree with a post about "inside people" on this department. No doubt there are enough useless positions and useless PO's living it up inside somewhere, but no more than the useless positions and useless PO's that are on the street. With that said, there are many more "inside officers" that do critical and tedious tasks that make the "operation" as a whole work. It allows the rest of us to concentrate on police work and being the police. We take for granted that we can just come to work every day and everything we need to do our job just seems to be there. We forget that even the smallest things like having a telephone, computer, databases, payroll, fingerprints, reports, the mail etc.. etc.. etc... that someone, somewhere makes it all happen. In a perfect world we would have a full staff of civilian employees (minus sensitive areas of the department) that could do the bulk of the work to free up more police, but this just isn't the case. Lets just not forget that there are many officers on this job who work "inside" that work hard and do jobs that none of us want or are willing to do, yet we count on their work being done or we bitch and moan!
Oh well the ride is over in TRU & MSF!!!
It's been a good ride......... Several years not answering calls, long lunches, off when you wanted to be off, and an overall, good group of people that were aware of how good it was..... Districts are going to be just as fun because it's all what you make of it!!! ( minus time due when you need it, lunches, etc..) To all the district folks talking smack, there are a few boners that think they are super cop from these units, but the majority are humble and likeable people that will be assets to the districts that the go to.... We were all in the districts before TRU & MSF
don't let this move by Rahm put us against each other...
Please keep your hands inside the ride til it has stopped completely!!!!!
"Our department need qualified street cops as instructors and not house cats."
But once they're in the academy, don't the "qualified street cops" become "house cats" by definition?
You can't have it both ways.
Besides, somebody (some jealous, small person) would be bitching about this in no time, too.
We've become a bunch of whining crybabies, too busy concerning ourselves with what the other guy is geting, rather than being glad about how good we've got it.
Hmmm Rhambone is putting 500 more cops back on the street who were already on the street. Yup same bullshit as always!
Bottom line, there should be no reason to have a 99 unit anymore (at least in ghetto districts), and that might save a life.
Yes, canine, too.......evidently the other districts musn't need them for search warrants, money sniffs, locate burglars or armed offenders, etc........interesting....who will take care of the canines when the handler is on furlo?
"Still the Det Div is short staffed and no promotions in the budget."
Take alook @ The Area A& A Sheets each Area has a minimum of 24 Detectives detailed out. Send them back to the Areas where they belong, Staffing problem solved.
The area gun teams are next. Some area have two sergeants and as many as 16-20 P.O.'s assigned there. They also are heading to the south side . Even area 3 and area 5.
3:17
Daley is being put in charge of arranging guest lectures at the Harris School of Public Policy- not likely he's doing much more than an introduction and a few welcome comments, maybe being part of a panel. His value to the U of C is that he has access to speakers they want, pure and simple.
Public Policy is a graduate school not the college. It's a one year masters program that's about $59,000. By the time your kid is in grad school, he or she should be paying their own bills.
I'll be glad to see some more police in the 004th distict. Maybe now I'll be lucky enough to see 1 or 2 police cars on beat 433 patoling. Nah, who am I kidding. They'll all still be North of the blvd, screw all of us tax payers and city workers that live here right.
The new sup should also check on the P.O.s assigned to the area deputies. If they are dumping me to a south side district from the northside, how about all all those inside people.The more the merrier!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Look to the Training Division for some warm bodies.These retards spend their whole career telling war stories to the recruits. Our department need qualified street cops as instructors and not house cats. Any copper at the academy or range for more then a year should be returned to street duty.
5/25/2011 07:53:00 AM
This is a fine example of an officer who is interested in screwing other cops. What is it to you if cops work at the academy? Let's face the honest truth; you probably applied to the academy and you didn't make it. You want the good hours and good benefits and you were denied. Now you are pissed. My friend, just move on with your life and stop being so bitter.
First of all, good luck to all of those coming to a district from MSF or TRU. The help is appreciated and contrary to popular belief, you still CAN be the Police while pushing a lowly beat car.
Having 25+ on and ALL in a district, trust me it's not a bad place to be. These units are nice and have their perks, but having those perks mean you lose many of YOUR contractual rights! There are some great protections in the contract and many of those are strictly for district law enforcement.
During my career I had a several year stint in tact and enjoyed it. There were good perks for the most part and great people to work for and with. When that came to an end, I bid to days in my district and never looked back. I had a chance to go to MSF about 18 months ago, but chose working days in a district instead. Knowing that they can't change start times (other than the 2 hrs by contract), is a nice protection. When in a unit or on tact, you're at the whim of the department.
Basically, make the best of your time in the district and good luck in your future endeavors. Many of us have had
bumps in the road in our Police careers, and sometimes it's for the better.
None of you owe this department anything. Just PLEASE back each other up and take care of each other. Everything else will take care of itself. Best of luck!
To all the "hatters" let me say this some of the best officers and supervisors I've ever worked with were in msf. We didn't "hook each other up" we looked out for each other which is the way it should be. We worked or ass of every day those numbers are not bullshit. We backed up dist. Officers not because we had to bt because that's the way it should be. I can speak for my co workers when I say were not afraid of police work. Thats why we joined an aggressive unit like msf do police work. In 20 yrs I have never dodged a job and I know my sgt or my teammates never did either. Most times we volunteered. We sat on crime scenes to free up beat cars and we rode on jobs and backed up the beat cars and always handled our own paper. We looked out for each other like family. Maybe if the rest of the dept. Would adapt this type of ethic the city wouldn't be able to screw us over as much. To my former msf teammates don't let the haters or the mutts a 35th turn you into a dog. Don't give them the satisfaction of seeing u lay down leave That for the "haters" stay safe
........AND that's why they call it POLITICS.
Same shit - Different toilet.
"Sorry, but I've BEEN one of those supervisors who 'acted like one' and enforced the rules. (Just those petty ones, like showing up reasonably on time and giving the Dept an entire tour and answering their cells to take their jobs...)
You don't survive more than half a minute when you supervise 'properly' in a unit.
You get told you don't know how the game is played. You learn that most of your people have more clout than you do,"
Yep, nothing new sarge.
Been there.
'Retarded Loot.'
Who gives a fuck! I'm on msf and knew it wasn't going to last. I have 5.5 years on. Hopefully I can still get back to 007 on 3rd watch. Stop bitching. People who wanted to be the police on MSF or TRU get to really be the police in the garbage districts now. I couldn't stand MSF, my team, or the micro managing sup. I did like all the extra training though. But, just like every unit you have the minority pulling in the good numbers (good numbers being quality arrests) for the majority. I didn't like wolf packing to go take a piss. I didn't like how the SGT was with us all the time. I didn't like the attitude of a lot of the other coppers....sooooo whatever. Everyone should have know it wasn't going to last forever. LATERZZZZZZZZZ
Giant dump just took place at 35th. And not in the toilet kids! Finding more bodies for the street but no new hires.
Man I'm sorry but you guys sound like a bunch of whining bitches.
It has always been known that nothing in this department lasts forever, if you're in a unit you are always looking for other opportunities. You never settle in and think this is where I will retire.
This is unfair,they are unfair,this ain't right...welcome to the big persons world kiddies.
And for the vested guys in these units, if you are bitching you should be ashamed of yourselves.
YOU know the exact reason you applied, don't bullshit a bullshitter.
Every unit that involves patrol all comes down to numbers, so the idea of saturation and visibility in an attempt to stop crime from starting is quickly thwarted because of the need to "document" their police work.
And for all those whiners, I love being the police. I enjoy putting on the uniform and acting in a professional take no shit way. On some days I do more proactive work than others,some days I just do my housework.
BUT EVERYDAY I TAKE PRIDE IN MYSELF,MY COWORKERS,MY DEPARTMENT,MY PROFESSION.
Stop with this sense of entitlement, do what you are paid to do.
LEARN TO EARN
I keep reading, " Quit the whining, " quit the crying." However, from the comments it doesn't seems like MSF or TRU coppers are doing that.
I wasn't in either, but have many friends that were these units. They actually have a, "it is what it is" attitude.
I must say that I don't agree with the new sup calling patrol "dogs". You do not need to motivate officers by knocking others down. That's a sign of poor leadership.
Let's not turn on each other now, we have a rough road ahead of us.
With that being said, stay safe and back each other up regardless if you have 5 or 20 years on the job!
When will the ET's be leaving for the districts???????
OT- Detective exam to be announced in late fall. Current list to come down. Unknown yet if another class will be made. Rahm wants a "fresh" start under his administration. No mention of Sgt list tho. This is from cityhall.
A lot of cops were sent to M.S.F. and T.R.U. from the 10th District
BUT! Those same officers spent a lot of their time in the 10th district doing their D.P.W. and nickel bag arrests and all those T.R.R.s.
There was still a police presence on the streets of the 10th District.
Now with these units disbanded and no one sent back to the 10th District we are at a net loss.
How long will it be before these gangstas figure out that the 10th District is the place to go to cause mayhem.
I am sure sooner than the new administration will.
NO MORE DESK SERGEANTS!
75 more sergeants that will be hard charging the streets!!!
"I see crime will soon be a thing of the past in our fair city."
~ Chief O'Neil (circa 1904)
5/25/2011 12:25:00 AM
Good cause I hate working the desk
How about the "chosen" area gun teams!!! They are still around!! Talk about smoke and mirrors...send them back!! Need the bodies and they really aren't as special as some of them think they are!!!
I have no problem going to a District again. I'm an old fuck with tons of senority, you know that day spot you have, the summer furloughs and christmas furloughs you enjoy. They will now belong to me!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!
We had a good run of it. The major downfall of MSF/TRU was we had exactly the right amount of people to make Rhamlom look like he was keeping a promise. Maybe we were too big, but we did our jobs and did them to the best of our ability. Hold your heads high and keep being the real police. For those of you who are mad, change comes to all things, accept it and move on. Find where they moved the cheese and go for it. For those of you in the districts that wanted us gone, you have got your wish. Don't go around gloating, be thankful for the warm bodies and greet your fellow officers with open arms. Be safe and watch your six.
citizens of chicago ddemand 5 more officers be placed in patrol
those 5 officers are assigned to Mr Daley who is retired at $180,000 a year and now has 2 part time jobs , probably making another $180
just saw mike shields on fox 32, he doesnt come across well on camera. we need a more refined spokesperson as the face for the media.
Sounds like a load of crap to me. Seriously, why not just hire more police? I am assuming that we can just cut deny Daley's request for bodyguards. And maybe we can cut the number of bodyguards that Rahm has. Not to mention we could also stop the flowerpots and privatize the "Taste of Chicago" in order to raise some revenues.
This is seriously a load of crap. We need more bodies on the department!
5/25/2011 01:02:00 AM
There are enough bodies but not enough workers. How many useless officers are sitting in desk jobs or buried away in units and other assignments? This is just the beginning.
To 0729am; They returned more coppers to the street then ever before? Well it still isn't enough.To many individuals become a cop and do nothing, they cant't wait for an inside assignment. Days, Mon thru Fri with Sat And Sundays off. Not like working a beat car is it? Do you work a complete tour?
Couldn't agree with anything written on the more. When we had the right manpower, the cars were all manned, the rapids were up, sometimes 2 wagons. Tact and gangs did their thing and the watch did theirs. We had enough people to send to mission teams and details of all kinds without effecting the watch. No one was pointing the finger at the other guys worried about what they were or were not doing. And NOBODY was happy when a copper got screwed over. It could even lead to a short work slow down. Now we have coppers dancing to delight when someone gets shafted. This is why the CPD is in the shape it's in. Blame the boss's. Blame the Mayor. Blame whoever you want. Until we get our shit together and come together as group we will be weak, and it will only get worse.....
boohoo , no more 2 hr lunch , early ducks and 1 hr roll calls
welcome back to the district
you are no better than any of us in patrol
next swat should be used in district patrol to resond to in progress calls and yes complete a case report , no more full tour waiting for a call , doing nothin
Look to the Training Division for some warm bodies.These retards spend their whole career telling war stories to the recruits. Our department need qualified street cops as instructors and not house cats. Any copper at the academy or range for more then a year should be returned to street duty.
Somme INSTRUCTORS THERE FOR OVER 8 YRS AND HAVE ONLY A HS DEGREE right Don F. Dont be afraid to go back to 015 Dist
just more of the same bullshit but then again did anyone really think it was gonna change ,do you think he reads the blog and says hey maybe they have valid gripes,he does'nt give a fuck about anybody but himself
he doesnt care that its not safe ,he doesnt care that we dont have enough bodies to cover the biz districts in order to keep some sort of control and the slower ones ( were we all tend to live ) to keep them safe because his agenda is more important his money is more important the safety of his family will be protected by us.he wants my pension there is probably nothing i could do about it so fuck rahm and his admin.ill keep coming to work cuz theres nothing else i can do but i anit given them shit
the lawsuit was filed today against the coppers in 023 by loevy and loevy. funny how the fail to mention how drunk she was or willingly played strip poker with the coppers. Im not defending the coppers actions, they were still wrong but its nice to see how the lawyers can just include what they want to have heard in lawsuits and not ALL the facts. Copy and past the link below to view the lawsuit.
http://206.18.146.25/rfcViewFile/11CV3502.pdf
inside for years getting weekends off doing nothing but keeping a chair warm while they talk on the phone, back on the streets.
--CPD administrative duties are going to be privatized.
No more PO's inside districts; no more in the medical section; no more in the academy etc. The only P.O's that will be inside are the P.O.'s that are light duty. Eventually those who are light duty due to something that is not IOD, are going to get the boot.
From the Fox News site ------
“It’s not just about those two task forces that we’ve kind of moved those folks around. We’ve also gotten cops out of administrative positions and put them on the street,” McCarthy said, ******adding he wants to end as much of the administrative function of the police department as possible*****.
YOU CAN SLICE A PIE NUMEROUS WAYS, BUT , The overall size of the pie is still the same....
CPD, and the City of Crookago, just does not get this, or does, and their priorities are FUBAR. My guess is that their priorities are FUBAR.
Cmdr Carter: Don't be a stroke. You worried about losing that gold star? Don't piss off your officers. Go do something productive, like getting radios and cars for the district.
-One of your officers
Sounds like a load of crap to me. Seriously, why not just hire more police?
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There is NO MONEY. I'd like to see 2000 more coppers as much as the next guy, but the money is not there. I am not forgetting why it is not there (thanks shanks) but it's not, at least not yet. For the short term it gives districts (watches) 400 more people. Yes that's only 5 or six per watch but that's three cars on two watches and 4 or five on the other depending on days off and the like. Until the money arrives (if it will) this is a good start. Now let's get able bodied people out of cubicles and offices and thin out narcotics and gangs and vice and get them out on the street and we will be even better off.
True: it is not more police, but is more police where needed. It's a start!
Dist. Sgt.
Plus, if it's tru GM called the people in patrol 'dogs', why isn't anyone jumping up and down about that comment? WTF?
5/25/2011 06:14:00 AM
He did... And I dont care anymore. So what if he called me a dog. I could give a flyin' fuck less. I've given this city 15 years of hard work in the hood. Been on Tact, been to SOS.
I just dont care anymore. Ive been beaten down by this department, watched as hard working coppers were tossed under the bus for their hard work. And have been tossed under the bus once or twice myself.
For what? Do you think anyone cares about that great pinch? The boss does because it brings down some bullshit number of his. Does that boss care about you? Seriously ask yourself that question. When the shit hits the fan, see how many of your exempts, ot Lt's that want to get promoted are there for YOU.
I could care less if the new supt called me a "dog". I'll be happy to tell him "At this point, you're RIGHT, Thanks for making my choice easier! 1st and the 16th!"
Remember, the city just screwed you, hit the medical if you need to...
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Jagoff, dogass comment. When you "hit the medical" you don't hurt anyone except the people on your watch who can't get time or a personal day or who have to pick up your slack.
What do you see when you look in a mirror?
“To say this is 500 more officers on the street — no, it’s not. Don’t mislead the public. There are no more police officers today than there were yesterday. They’re taking 500 officers as if they were never on the street and putting them into beat cars. They’re acting as if they were assigned to some desk duty...”
Don't bother the Mayor. He's still counting the take from his inauguration, at up to $50,000 per ticket. How outrageous can influence-peddling get -- does he have to put on a micro-skirt made of aluminum pop-top rings (remember those?), a pair of fishnet stockings, and a see-through blouse, and hang on the corner before anyone gets it?
FOR SALE.
Hey all you lazy never do nothin fucks who said "I ain't doin any work till Weis (or Daley) is gone"! Guess what, they are both gone. So I guess we can all expect you to really rip and run now right? Carry your weight? Stay off the medical? Help out a young guy? Make some arrests? Write some tickets? Do something besides complain?
Ok, probably not, because lazy fucking dogs are lazy fucking dogs no matter what. As someone in another thread said "dogs are not made, dogs are born".
26 years. in districts.
'Sorry, but I've BEEN one of those supervisors who 'acted like one' and enforced the rules. (Just those petty ones, like showing up reasonably on time and giving the Dept an entire tour and answering their cells to take their jobs...)
You don't survive more than half a minute when you supervise 'properly' in a unit.
You get told you don't know how the game is played. You learn that most of your people have more clout than you do, you watch the cutie pies get their 3 or 4hr days and the retired deputy's nephew catch all the overtime. You get hobbled and if you don't play along, you get dumped.
Until the entire mindset of this organization changes, most supervisors in specialized units aren't going to be allowed to supervise. They are nothing more than chair-fillers who are required to look the other way or lose their spots.
I hope McSupe can change it, but you don't change a whole culture overnight.'
You've hit the nail right on the head, Sarge! And let's not forget the 'other Sgts.' who want to be everybody's friend, who back door you every chance they get too.
'O.T.:
I heard King Ritchie has found a job! Professor at U of C.
You have got to be shitting me. How would you like to be paying $50 k plus a year to send your kid to prestigious U of C only to find out he's being "taught" by this clown. They'll have to provide each student with a decoder ring to interpret all the mumbles and dems and dose.
Since King Ritchie is now supplementing his princely retirement pension shouldn't the city charge him for all this free security and vehicles he's getting?'
Is ANYONE surprised? This is the same 'elite' university that hired JOHN DOTY as their second in command of the UCPD! Now the U of C can state proudly, 'Yes, we gladly will recycle the City's TRASH!' If my kids attended that overrated, outrageously priced school and was taught or expected to attend any lectures by Former Mayor Mumbles, I would request a full refund of tuition.
I guess this is the U of C's way of 'payback' for the Mayor allowing them to conduct a full out 'land grab' throughout the Hyde Park area for many years
(check it out).
Before I say anything I must preface with "I do agree more coppers need to be hired".
That being said, I think this is a good thing. The bulk of MSF/TRU was making 1 bagger arrests (Together). If you add the 1/2 hour roll call, 1/2 hour to get to assigned area, two hour lunch and three hours down on the group one bag arrest, that leaves about three hours of actual street patrol out of these people. Don’t get me wrong, there are/were some great coppers in these units but a lot of the officers had a “super cop” attitude because of the unit they were working in.
Now, they'll have to answer radio calls, write tickets, etc... Ultimately freeing up the backlog and allowing all the po's in the district to do "pro-active" police work.
Also, it allows the district po's to finally be able to take time due, extend furloughs and enjoy a full lunch instead of having the dispatcher call them to see if their free yet, maybe even get a second cup of coffee without having to worry about down time.
I know a lot of the "stars" of MSF/TRU will not like this but it is what it is. It's about time the working po's at the district level get a break.
Let the hate responses begin……
Fence off those districts, they don't want police there. Pull out and let 'em fuckin' burn. They hate us anyways. Give them their territory and see how fast it crumbles and they kill each other. Too few police and they cry that da po-leeces ain't doin' nuffin'. Too many po-leeces and "they be pickin' on us cuz we be black." Lose/lose.
MSF and TRU disbanded, thus the Supt. chirped about some Area Team getting assembled. Each LT got to pick a Sgt., and Sgt picked his team, along with others to have a team of ten PO's. Bunch of clowns MSF Sgt's running around sucking up to Lt's so they could get picked. The Sgt.'s that got picked were trumped by other Sgt's that made phone calls, total chaos at Homan.
This one Sgt. at MSF who got Area5 was always brwon nosing the LT and pushing his team for numbers all the time, secretly gathering his team PO's and telling them the plan for his mighty team that will probably get dumped after 90 days anyway. Half of your team were useless, especially the female on you team who was carried by the workers. How nice to be a semi descent female on this job that is dumber than a box of rocks, but is carried under the wing cause some coppers are skirt chasers.
How quickly the Lt's at MSF turned their backs and played the part like they didn't know what was going on. PO's worked hard to keep good stats now got dumped to a district, so sad how patrol division hated MSF and TRU because they were stuck answering calls, while MSF brought arrests, granted it wasn't cool when a team brought a weed arrest and stayed down with the whole team.
Hope the BULLS win! let the city go up in flames!
I don't care, now I understand while some old timers are dogs and bitter about this job, you get nothing for working hard and bringing in numbers.
It's all about and will always be about who you know, and what phone calls you have. This Dept. is backwards. I've seen PO's that are retarded with three years on the job getting into Tact teams and etc..I'm like WTF....Cry baby Coppers getting days on management with no time on the job. Let this city rotttttt.....
You learn that most of your people have more clout than you do, you watch the cutie pies get their 3 or 4hr days and the retired deputy's nephew catch all the overtime. You get hobbled and if you don't play along, you get dumped.
Until the entire mindset of this organization changes, most supervisors in specialized units aren't going to be allowed to supervise. They are nothing more than chair-fillers who are required to look the other way or lose their spots.
I hope McSupe can change it, but you don't change a whole culture overnight.
5/25/2011 01:07:00 AM
As told by a guy who was likely lucky to have even stumbled into a unit such as these, who's also now pissed off that his little phone call couldn't keep him there.
My how the crybabys come out of the woodwork trying to claim righteousness when their number's up.
This guy musta been the supervisor dumped first because he certainly appears as the first one in line to try and give up his team.
People like this guy are best kept in "administrative" positions where they can do no harm, tell no lies that will affect the real police and have no control over others because he appears to be a perennial stoolie looking to get recongnized for either giving up his team or lying about them to get noticed and promoted.
Back to the streets for you pal! And while you think you're going to show up in a district where YOU"RE the new guy and start telling everyone they're gonna start doing it your way, try and remember those folks have been there longer than you, and when you piss them off you'll find YOU'RE the one in the W/C office being shut down and told to STFU just like your previous boss' have obviously done in the past.
DTEB- I spied having dinner with a bunch of Reverends??
Makes me wonder if ernie will end up getting a job that he is WAY under qualified for?? Hope he does, and takes Chucky with him.
Chucky needs to learn to keep her mouth shut.
on this job who work "inside" that work hard and do jobs that none of us want or are willing to do, yet we count on their work being done or we bitch and moan!
Are you serious? First of all quit all your posts re. How important you are because you are not worth the same salary We earn, if you are inside and we are handling the streets.
You do nothing a civilian can't do for a lot less money. And secondly don't tell me you do what others don't want to, bullshit, I could use a break, let's switch for a year.
Anonymous said...
OT- Detective exam to be announced in late fall. Current list to come down. Unknown yet if another class will be made. Rahm wants a "fresh" start under his administration. No mention of Sgt list tho. This is from cityhall.
5/25/2011 12:40:00 PM
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Well they better make another class, a big one at that, from the test's list to cover the vacancies that are open in Det. Division. If they dont, then get ready for a law suit for those lonely souls that have been waiting for close to four yrs now for their number to come up on the list. There are precedent law suits that relate the city must fill the open vacancies first, which there are a ton, before they can hire off a new test's list. Just sayin'!
So, Rahminator better realize he needs to justify why he needs a new test to be made and spend millions of tax payer's dollars....
And I dont want to hear that the old test was tainted......cry babies!!!!!
"They cannot by contract be detailed more than 90 days and after the 90 days they cannot be detailed until 180 days elapse. so what happens to the 5 MSF sgts that were detailed on 28 April 2011, the first wave of anti violence inititive , their detail ends on 20 July 2011 and by their contract cannot be re- detailed until 180 days?"
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You need to read, then re-read the contract again, then find someone who can explain it to you.
None of the personnel in MSF or TRU are in a biddable unit protected by the contract. The contract clearly states what is protected and what is not. Those people gave up all protections when they went willingly into an unprotected, non-biddable unit. Detailing out of that unit is not protected under the contract because those units are purely managerial. Whether someone was assigned or detailed to those units means nothing. They are all management's fodder and can be moved wherever, whenever and for any length of time the employer sees fit.
Additionally, under your contract, the employer is not required to allow them leave any detail or assignment since they are in fact, management's choice and failed to file a grievance within a timely fashion indicating they were taken from a biddable position against their will. These kids went willingly into a management controlled position which means they gave up the rights afforded to a distinctly outlined group of units within the contract. If you aren't in one of those units, you're shit outta luck.
The only way for those people to leave management's 20% is to BID to a biddable unit where there is contractual protection, and only then is that protection for a period of 1 year. And the employe is in no way obligated to open up any bid spots in any bid units if it does not wish to, regarless of whether they are unde suggested manpower levels.
You kids really oughtta read the contract and understand what it is you're reading, because if it doesn't expressly state something, it doesn't exist and grievances will fail. And don't expect "past practices" to continue to rule the day because that is also not a contractual right. Past practice is NOT case law.
You kids in MSF and TRU are at the mercy of the employer until such time as you withdraw yourself from their control by winning a bid to a biddable unit.
And there ain't gonna be any openings anywhere YOU'RE gonna wanna go.
For reference, the section you seek to give you comfort in this time of need is Section 23.11 - Details.
Take special note of paragraph 5, where it specifically states the following:
The Employer’s right to assign Tactical Teams, Mission Teams, District Gang Tactical Teams, or other specialized units shall not be restricted in any way by this Section.
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If you can't understand what this means, simply put it means:
MSF and TRU are clearly defined as "specialized units". And the last 10 words of this paragraph clearly state with no ambiguity that the employer's right to ASSIGN these units SHALL NOT BE RESTRICTED IN ANY WAY.
Means YOU'RE GOING WHERE THEY TELL YOU, FOR HOWEVER, WHENEVER AND HOW LONG THEY TELL YOU TO UNTIL YOU CAN PROTECT YOURSELF BY A SUCCESSFUL BID TO A BIDDABLE UNIT WHICH IS NOT COVERED BY THE PRECEDING STATEMENT.
End of lesson.
Anonymous said...
OT- Detective exam to be announced in late fall. Current list to come down. Unknown yet if another class will be made. Rahm wants a "fresh" start under his administration. No mention of Sgt list tho. This is from cityhall.
5/25/2011 12:40:00 PM
Gee, from cityhall? Are you sure? Can I take it to the bank? Straight up?
How about you blow it out your ass.
Same with any so called "this is the real deal" posts from unsigned posters. sign your name and unit or don't waste our time.
OT- Detective exam to be announced in late fall. Current list to come down. Unknown yet if another class will be made. Rahm wants a "fresh" start under his administration. No mention of Sgt list tho. This is from cityhall.
5/25/2011 12:40:00 PM
That's fine, I just hope they at least promote the 85 detectives that Jody promised 2 years ago that never happened. This would be fair
Anonymous said...
Significantly reducing the number of sworn in administrative positions is the real test of the new superintendent. Hire more civilians and put the sworn on the street where they belong.
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Ahhhhh.... and THEREIN LIES THE RUB, doesn't it???!!!
Simple math just plain escapes some of the best and brightest on this job doesn't it?
Wave the big mouth and demand all admin personnel be sent back to the street.... oh, and by the way HIRE MORE CIVILIANS THAT THE CITY CAN'T AFFORD TO TRAIN AND THEN DO THOSE JOBS.
Some dopes just can't understand the fact that HIRING MORE PERSONNEL COSTS MORE MONEY, NOT LESS.... WHICH IS EXACTLY WHY THOSE SWORN PERSONNEL ARE DOING THOSE JOBS SINCE THEY'RE ALREADY ON THE PAYROLL AND IN THE BUDGET.
Go back and get your GED and learn to add simple whole numbers.
"I guess [Daley's appointment] is the U of C's way of 'payback' for the Mayor allowing them to conduct a full out 'land grab' throughout the Hyde Park area for many years
(check it out)."
--5/25/2011 03:19:00 PM
Hell, this goes back to Richard * J. * Daley and U. of C. president Julian Levi leveling Hyde Park. Everything was "blighted." They had photographs, too. Car double-parked! Coal truck delivering coal! Children playing on the steps of a building!
Blight!
...and here came the bulldozers. This was called "urban renewal."
There are blank earth berms on 55th Street today, where once there were stores and apartments and businesses. Sort of a neutralized "land bank" for the U of C's future wants.
"He once moved the housing market into a big bubble and sold before it went down. There was a need for police and he made 500 of them without spending a dime."
--5/25/2011 09:18:00 AM
IT'S SEISER!
"[Daley's] value to the U of C is that he has access to speakers they want, pure and simple."
Oh, I can believe that. I can just imagine the sort of people he knows.
"Public Policy is a graduate school not the college. It's a one year masters program that's about $59,000."
--5/25/2011 11:05:00 AM
That's cheap for twelve months' rubbing elbows with Ultimate Evil -- a real glimpse behind the curtain, an entree to a world beyond most people's ken.
When are they having George Soros to lunch?
"rumor is McCarthy checked gps records and found out real quick how much time msf and tru actually spent on the street where they were assigned"
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Yah ok......Moron!
In general --
You can tell there's a new influx down at City Hall, people who are convinced that they're "the best and the brightest." There are some awfully smooth and straight-faced types showing up here with various "explanations" for things all of a sudden. Can't miss the tone.
(pfft)
Me, I'm watching the hands.
clean up those dogs that abuse the medical.
HOW MUCH is the new Superintendent making?
Does he get a PENSION?
NO!!! He is under a contract. You would need 10 years to be vested anyway.
Why is everyone so quick to shoot down this idea? Nothing against MSF or TRU but there have been a few times where they're doing a name check on home boy who gave them false info. Personally I think its better to know who's who in the area than have a bunch of officers wing it in an unfamiliar district.
As far as the academy staff that had their details rescinded, they had ever opportunity to be offically assigned to 124 had they really wanted to. Some of these individuals had 5+ years there and in that time they could have made it happen. They always had their old district to fall back on and this idea made some officers comfortable knowing that. The front office staff that someone was complaining about, you want a civilian doing that job with access to your personal information such as social security numbers? Are you kidding me. You need a sworn member that is accountable. That phone rings from open to close and the amount of paper work that is processed is impressive. One person could not do that job, period! Those officers who are great instuctors will be back in due time. For you officers that think you can just walk in a start teaching from a lesson plan without any preparation are just plain silly, teaching is a learned skill that takes time. Should officers be there 8+ years? No, and they should have a scheduled rotation for the operations and range sections.
So Weis appoints 22 new commanders on 15 Mar 2008. They need three years and a day to get their Gold Braid pension. So did they get their Gold Braid pension as of 17 March 2011 or do they have to make up the furlough days in order to qualify for the GB pension? Which might take them until July? 12+24+24 = 60 days = 12 weeks?
Or did our pension just take a huge hit? Or can Rahm and GMac try to restore our faith by dumping these clowns?
We're tax payers too! Save us some cash!
Hey SCC - can this be a thread?
Anonymous said...
boohoo , no more 2 hr lunch , early ducks and 1 hr roll calls
welcome back to the district
you are no better than any of us in patrol
next swat should be used in district patrol to resond to in progress calls and yes complete a case report , no more full tour waiting for a call , doing nothin
5/25/2011 01:48:00 PM
Didn't make tge cut huh.
trained, talented and experienced instructors are detailed out to districts.
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Good, if they're so squared away they should be instant "top cops". We'll be looking to them to show us how it's done. In case you forgot, we work weekends and nights out here. 22 instructors dumped from the academy is double the 11 metro recruits that make up the entire student population. Who exactly were these trained, talented and experienced instructors instructing? I see a lot of working out, ducking out and eating out going on at old 1300 W. Jackson. Welcome to the 9 hour day.
5/25/2011 11:26:00 AM
First of it's hater not hatter, this isn't Alice in Wonderland. Actually though listening to how you volunteered for jobs, sat on crime scenes, allegedly volunteered to back people up without trying to steal an arrest or squeak your names onto one, by either beating or tasing the offender, I would have to say that you have your own DELUSIONAL Alice in Wonderland version of what the Mobile Stroke Force stood for. Maybe MT was that way but we all see what his little pussy so called team mates did to him. No Esprit de Corps there. Enjoy being back in the district. While I enjoy being in mine, where I actually protect tax payers and not the scum of the City.
The new sup should also check on the P.O.s assigned to the area deputies. If they are dumping me to a south side district from the northside, how about all all those inside people.The more the merrier!
5/25/2011 11:09:00 AM
They've already got around this. About 6 months ago P.O.'s were dumped from deputies offices city wide. They just keep reporting to the deputies office for work each day while they are on the A&A's in the district. Problem solved.
Remember folks, be carfeul of what you wish for.
I worked the street and units for my most of my career but I am now light duty and work inside.
The ammount of info obtainable to an insider, personal and departmental, is tremendous. Inside people can obtain ALL OF YOUR info as well as every operation going on. Do you want them aswering phones and giving out your names? Reading your reports? Advising them on how the BT coppers were wrong and should've done a report? Filling out GCR's for crap that ain't even a crime, but has now has to be investigated.
Do you really want to replace PO's with civillians?
You do know who the city will hire dont you? They wont look or act like your neighbors, that's for sure.
We are the Police. We handle our business on our own. You can't trust outsiders with that info. It's bad enough the janitors have complete access to the station(especially lock-up and Tact offices)
We need more cops. Dont let these idiots turn us against one another.
Same team blue, same team.
#1 Eric Carter is a Class A Jag-Off,and one of the reasons I left...I couldn't stand to work for him and his Ilk.
#2 ET's don't belong in a District, they at least should be assigned to an Area with the Dic's,not North/South like it is now.In the District, The W/C did deny the E/T time due(no one to take his place/trained to do his job), but gave C/U to his buddy, and put the ET up as an X31/X09 Car to make the sheets look full. Been there done that and it sucked.
"Take your camera and dust case with you, you're on the Wagon today"
Good Luck and Be Safe All
To all the "hatters" let me say this some of the best officers and supervisors I've ever worked with were in msf. We didn't "hook each other up" we looked out for each other which is the way it should be. We worked or ass of every day those numbers are not bullshit. We backed up dist. Officers not because we had to bt because that's the way it should be. I can speak for my co workers when I say were not afraid of police work. Thats why we joined an aggressive unit like msf do police work. In 20 yrs I have never dodged a job and I know my sgt or my teammates never did either. Most times we volunteered. We sat on crime scenes to free up beat cars and we rode on jobs and backed up the beat cars and always handled our own paper. We looked out for each other like family. Maybe if the rest of the dept. Would adapt this type of ethic the city wouldn't be able to screw us over as much. To my former msf teammates don't let the haters or the mutts a 35th turn you into a dog. Don't give them the satisfaction of seeing u lay down leave That for the "haters" stay safe
5/25/2011 11:26:00 AM
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You done patting yourself on the back now?
Still not sure Shields is the right guy to run our union but I like his moxie. Very glad he let the public know not to be fooled by Rahms hocus pocus.
OT
Pension changes passed. Get ready to get fvcked
hey i hear it's a sad day for the medical section. people with senority got detailed out, but dog asses with no senority on that light duty bs get to stay..wtf!!!mr mayor please visit the medical section...see how hard those clerks work-sitting down staring at each other, on cell phone, on the computer, or better yet texting.. oh..how about double dipping on city time-answering business calls on city time s?p transportation.hey coppers, does your boss let your family, friends, lovers visit 6 of the 7 hours you work. well come to unit 231...it's allowed...and then they wonder why mr mayor is privatizing everything...mr mayor. why is it that 6 bosses making over $100,000 can't manage the medical section. get rid of 4 to hire 6/7 police.
Ha, marine unit disbanded too, now OCD Gang Enforcement will be up next and that should sum up the 1000 officers needed on the streets that the Slayer Mayor promised. Good chess move there, and saving the city money by not hiring officers, but placing the ones that we had into different locations! Wow no wonder Rahm is Mayor, he uses great trickery, did he learn that from all the ballet he took back in the day.
Good looking out puppet Supt., and tippy toe Mayor!
you got your 1000 cops, 1000 cops that are disgruntled and probably will do NOTHING but the bare minimum.....1000 cops handling and staying down on music disturbances and domestics.
The dope dealers and shoot em up bangers will have a field day in the summer time! hopefully Tact units step up and not lock up drinkers and pissers, or stay down after their one rocker felony arrest....
I still laugh every time I think of Osama in his 8th grade graduation picture,still a classic.
To the post regarding administrative spots. I get the idea of getting full duty officers out of the streets. However, remember that the civilians they hire will be useless ghetto pieces of shit who will keep their chair warm for maybe an hour each day. The rest of the time will be spent hooting and hollering about stupid shit. You have to consider the caliber of employee that will be hired by the city. These people in administrative duties will be able to access all your personal information, cr numbers, intel, and be handling any paper you need moved up the chain. Front offices can be staffed with four or five pos (all cross-trained, civilians by contract cannot do a job that is not part of their job description and believe they will use it when more work is piled on their desks). That way when necessary they can be pulled off to work the street for special events, slow days, etc. The salaries paid to the useless civilians can be used for new hire po's. Before cars are downed a front office po should be utilized. Just a though
Why just end details of those who are in from "dangerous" units? Why not end them all? The northside is short on beat officers also. Quality of life issues are the main issues on the northside. If they wanted to keep an officer in a unit, they should have ended the detail and assigned them to the unit.
Whomever the fool is that thinks inside people do nothing ....
I will stop you right there, first off you made the word singular, that shows how out of touch you are. I would be "fools" plural, because any one of us pushing a beat car working the street would love for you to get off your daisy ass and work the streets like you signed up for. Let them hire a secretary to do the paper stuff at half the cost.
There were never 300 GSP and 500 youth officers. Think about 75 GSP, 120 YO, and 930 or so Dets. There are lines for 1300 D2As Right now about 1000. That is all. Carry on.
to the hack supervisor who couldn't cut it in a unit. Maybe the problem wasn't your people, your bosses or your unit, maybe it was you. I worked in a unit for 15 years, supervised some great coppers and had some dogs forced on me. A real supervisor finds a way to inspire those who need it. You don't do this by writing them up, or riding on them, you help them find their niche and let them go to it. I've written more awards for my officers than I can remember, I have written a few up too unfortunately, but sometimes that is what a supervisor is forced to do. The biggest thing I did though is to never hurt any of my people. You know what? I never was told how to "do it the unit way" I did it my own way and worked for me.
In progress this, in progress that. Shit, havent seen an in progress call since they closed COS. OEMC sucks, everything is 5 min. old. They only thing in progress now is the shit you on view.
Sad thing is that this department is pitted against each other. They bitch about inside people, bitch about people in units, bitch about teams, bitch about patrol officers.
When it comes down to it, we are all the police, some more than others, but we are still the police. Don't care if it's a dime bag arrest or a gun pinch. We get paid the same.
Stop being jealous. stop hating. And stop thinking you're better than anyone else. Because you are not!
Stop all the whining, be glad you still have a job. Our economy is so bad, and your going to complain about a job you have to do. You signed up for, don't like it, quit. It's that easy.
As for chucky shutting her mouth, thats not going to happen. She knows everything, just ask her she will tell you.
No more 6 deep dopw arrest? No more war stories in the hall? No more hogging the damn computers looking at facebook? And most important, no more caps backwards! Stop bitching and get ur ass to area 2! We need help. Be safe
http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/clout_st/2011/05/measure-would-dismantle-workers-compensation-system-in-illinois.html
OT:Measure would dismantle workers compensation system in Illinois
Ot, wilding in New York brought to lite on the Hannity radio program today.
Sweeping changes aimed at cutting Illinois government worker pension costs
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Posted by Ray Long at 6:53 p.m.
See Tribune Clout Street: CPD and CFD excluded!
To the Guy talking about the Msf Sgt taking area five. Are you talking about the sergeant that was shot and almost killed in the line of duty by a gang member? The sergeant that was with his team on the streets for the entire tour getting decent arrests? The sergeant that never did or said anything bad to anybody? That sergeant? Whom better than? Go get your shine box
Significantly reducing the number of sworn in administrative positions is the real test of the new superintendent. Hire more civilians and put the sworn on the street where they belong. I believe that McCarthy is the real deal. I wonder whether the mayor is the real deal. There are a lot of protected people in the department. They will not go down easily. They love their evenings and weekends off and many appear to be afraid of the streets. I have seen them add ribbons to their uniforms and never leave the buiildings, just by adding their name to the paperwork.
5/25/2011 09:06:00 AM
I don't think it be would be wise to civilianize the districts.
I don't mind working in a district, never worked inside. My question to the superintendent is, why are you punishing all of these officers who volunteered and worked hard, just look at the numbers, the late hours, many hours of ot, the brave officers who were in shootings, etc.and making us bid to a handful of south side districts with no consideration of the long drives or our families. Many of us are north side. You didn't even offer 025. I have many years on this job. The only district considered northside was 002 because of the location, this was not even offered, why? Even years ago the lazy coppers or ones who got in trouble were not treated this badly. This is not just sending us back to districts, this is a fuck you and your families. I would have gladly went to 11, 15, 25, 10, 14 etc. You wonder why morale is so low and sinking, wonder no more.
How quickly you forget how the banks, mortgage brokers and insurance companies SCREWED all of us the last 4 years and are STILL screwing us. There are still foreclosing, still laying off employees and reporting record profits. How does that make you feel?
greedy assholes bankers keep doing business unregulated and free to set their own guidelines?
If you do not like your job - then leave. You will not be missed and what you have done or currently do for the dept. will not be missed. Apply elsewhere!!!!!
To say they were already working those districts is true!! But they were only there no more then 4 hours of a ten hour tour. With them being assigned to the district they will have no choice but to respond to demostics or mental calls.If they are worried about responding to domestics do what I do , remain proactive find an arrest to avoid calls.Word of advise learn the term "travel time to lunch location". There will be no more two hour lunches that's for sure. Trust me I have worked area 2 you can't avoid arresting people in that dump
inside for years getting weekends off doing nothing but keeping a chair warm while they talk on the phone, back on the streets.
--CPD administrative duties are going to be privatized.
No more PO's inside districts; no more in the medical section; no more in the academy etc. The only P.O's that will be inside are the P.O.'s that are light duty. Eventually those who are light duty due to something that is not IOD, are going to get the boot.
You are so wrong City is not hiring anybody there's no money. Rahm put a stop to many things. No I don't work inside and I think it would be a good idea for retired p.o.'s but once again no money
Districts are short Lts and the idea is to use 5 Lts who will be responsible for only 2 sgts ea. in ea Area. Isn't that what the Lts and tact teams do already? Area 3 has a tact Lt in each dist. with tact teams at the Dep chiefs disposal. Why do we need another Lt?
Wow, what a brilliant idea, detail every body out of MSF, they even took the hardest working guy off the desk, Andy C. There will bew not one person left behind to man the phones, now when they call for support like things like SWAT, Command Van, Light Truck they will have to wait alot longer, I heard they put most of the guys assigned to work these vehicles back in districts, just wait to a police shooting where the brass are standing in the rain waiting for the command Van, and it takes 2hours to arrive, or when the crime lab needs to process a scene and the light truck arrives when the sun is coming up, the fuck heads have no brains, no spine, or anything that makes good sense and good decisions, we deserve everything that is coming our way, There will be no good to come from this move.
(OT) Clout street cutting Illinois pensions a must read!
http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/clout_st/2011/05/sweeping-changes-aimed-at-cutting-illinois-government-worker-pension-costs.html#more
Nice job 011. 1 of 2 pieces of shit in custody from an armed robbery at Irving and Melvina. Hope the Officer down didn't get hurt to bad!
A little off topic but I sure am glad Father Pfleger was reinstated. Back jus "Pimpin in the Pulpit"
George Soros is probably not invited to lunch- U of C has a pretty conserative Business and Economics programs- Remember George P. Schulz - of the Reagon era and fan of Milton 'free market' Friedman? Not exactly a liberal bastion!
Stop making crap up about the pension reform being done or a done deal. The bill is a shell bill, they are attempting to amend it and get it out of committee tomorrow at nine!! So start calling tomorrow asap!
Don't let it come out of committe!!!
I have many years on this job. The only district considered northside was 002 because of the location, this was not even offered, why? Even years ago the lazy coppers or ones who got in trouble were not treated this badly. This is not just sending us back to districts, this is a fuck you and your families. I would have gladly went to 11, 15, 25, 10, 14 etc. You wonder why morale is so low and sinking, wonder no more.
5/25/2011 09:50:00 PM
Good grief; it's a 90 day detail. It's not the end of days.
Find a way to use it to your advantage. Become that worker the boss depends on. He may be the supe one day. Become that invaluable radio geek. Be the guy your fellow coppers can count on and decide to be better than the stereotypes people label us with.
Go out there and be the best you can be. Bosses will remember and your phone will eventually ring.
And, if you become that draggy dog no one wants to work with, with the attitude no one wants to be around, people will remember that for a LONG, long time, too.
It's just a lousy 90 days. But it's long enough to show somebody what you're TRULY made of. What YOU choose is WHO YOU ARE.
What, nothing about the MSF/TRU detail list? It's out...
if you want to dodge the dispatcher I will destroy your day, week, month and entire experience while I am dispatching... ive been doing this for 28 years, try me junior!
5/25/2011 04:49:00 PM
I think I love you. Glad you're out there
Anonymous said...
From the Fox News site ------
“It’s not just about those two task forces that we’ve kind of moved those folks around. We’ve also gotten cops out of administrative positions and put them on the street,” McCarthy said, ******adding he wants to end as much of the administrative function of the police department as possible*****.
5/25/2011 02:22:00 PM
Not gonna happen. Those in the ivory tower need to be fed a constant and redundant stream of paperwork and stats. The department can't run without administrative people.
...You do nothing a civilian can't do for a lot less money. And secondly don't tell me you do what others don't want to, bullshit, I could use a break, let's switch for a year.
5/25/2011 04:29:00 PM
Do you really want a civilian near your personal information? And do you think the CPD wants civilians with access to sensitive information?
To the Guy talking about the Msf Sgt taking area five. Are you talking about the sergeant that was shot and almost killed in the line of duty by a gang member? The sergeant that was with his team on the streets for the entire tour getting decent arrests? The sergeant that never did or said anything bad to anybody? That sergeant? Whom better than? Go get your shine box
5/25/2011 09:40:00 PM
how about the sgt and po in TRU that just won the supt award if valor and the Top Cop award in DC. Both dumped to the district. The new Lt coming to area 5 is going to bring his guys from TRU. Nothing personal just loyal to his Sgts.
"...do you think the CPD wants civilians with access to sensitive information?"
Yeah, it's bad enough that your fellow coppers have access to this information.
Does the 23rd District sex scandal ring any bells?
"The department can't run without administrative people."
CPD is numbers-driven.
These autistic fux can't get away from it.
It justifies many of the big bosses' jobs; somebody needs to compile all these stats.
Somebody needs to make stacks & stacks of reports featuring these stats, somebody needs to make dozens of photocopies of these reports.
Somebody needs to have meetings pontificating on all these stats and finally, somebody needs to file all these needless reports containing all these stats.
Then the process begins again.
"Sweeping changes aimed at cutting Illinois government worker pension costs
See Tribune Clout Street: CPD and CFD excluded!"
Excluded...for now. Don't let this bill pass...we're next!
"Stop being jealous. stop hating. And stop thinking you're better than anyone else. Because you are not!"
Can't. The department if full of whining crybabies that bitch constantly about the next guy who they perceive is getting a beter deal that they are, rather than being glad that they've got what they've got.
Whining, crybaby bitches.
Divide and conquer. That's why CFD will always fare better than us; we can't stick together.
MSF sgt. who got area five, you want a cookie for all your war stories? See you dumped too in 90 days too , until the deputy puts his won guys in. So all your riding around with your team and getting arrests don't mean SHIT! Spit and shine your own shoes, after you get off your high horse!
"Ha, marine unit disbanded too"
Dick Daley tried that several years ago. It failed miserably.
Have you ever seen some of the boats in Burnham, Monroe or Belmont Harbors?
Big money. BIG money.
Besides, practically speaking, we need them. The Coast Guard's nearest AirSta is in Traverse City, Michigan.
if you want to dodge the dispatcher I will destroy your day, week, month and entire experience while I am dispatching... ive been doing this for 28 years, try me junior!
5/25/2011 04:49:00 PM
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MJ, aka The Beast, we love you!
On 5/25/2011 07:46:00 AM, F O I A said...
"HOW MUCH is the new Superintendent making?
Does he get a PENSION?"
Don't know. Did YOU fill submit a FOIA information request or are you waiting for someone else to do it for you?
Where is Georgas going to be a Lt??
That is just a way to duck solving the real issue: poverty, lack of education , lack of transportation and drugs and alcohol and taking responsibility.
Thats not the real issue, that is the result of the real issue. The real issue is the Government, mainly the Democratic Party, giving everything to these people and telling them it "not their fault". Breaking up the family unit, creating the welefare state. A crime that equals slavery. Who really thinks the schools will be fixed, or people with get jobs, or crime will stop. Maybe their right, maybe it's not their fault, it's the liberal socialist Democratic Party's fault.
Anonymous said...
Do you really want a civilian near your personal information? And do you think the CPD wants civilians with access to sensitive information?
5/25/2011 11:46:00 PM
Wow, we wouldn't want a civilian with access to sensitive information, would we?
That could lead to all sorts of problems, civilians could read sensitive reports and let others do the same and civilians could provide copies of sensitive reports to the news media.
We couldn't be having that now could we?
I'm sorry to say SCC I'm glad that we are getting some help in the distrcts becuz last summer only like 3-4 ppl could take the day off becuz the beat cars would be under maned.... I know u guys are made but this is a team effort and you are needed in the districts right now nothing last forever. Ppl are not backing ppl up as they should I'm fustrated right about now with working and my safety I don't want to be a dog but I don't want to get hurt either. When ppl ask for help go help don't say ur going and never show up.
seriously,the only thing that sucks about the dump is the brutal commute. These cocksuckers added 20 miles each way to my commute. I live in 016 on the north end and I have to drive to damn 111th st in rush hour. if I make arrests they go down there too.
I never minded paperwork or handling jobs, I'm actually excited to hit the districts again, but spending nearly $20.00 a day on gasoline just to commute to and from work is just brutal.
If crime is down as it is being reported by the news media....then why do you need to move all these officers from TRU and MSF to the districts?
Why change what is working???
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Define WORKING.
Before the city will hire more coppers, they need to show that there is a real need for them. And you can't do that when you have the redundancy of units like MSF and TRU.
How can you justify hiring 1000 more people when you have so many doing the same job but in a different unit?
I don't think it be would be wise to civilianize the districts
Equally as unwise to try and civilianize all the spots at HQS, too much sensitive information that could easily end up in the wrong hands; besides, they aren't hiring anyone, let alone new civilians so don't look for a big change there.
My question to the superintendent is, why are you punishing all of these officers who volunteered and worked hard, just look at the numbers, the late hours, many hours of ot, the brave officers who were in shootings, etc.and making us bid to a handful of south side districts with no consideration of the long drives or our families.
Boy, I ran out of kleenex reading this one.
You forgot one thing and that is you VOLUNTEERED. That makes you management and as management the department can do whatever they want with you. It's their game and they will use you as they see fit.
I'm curious about one thing.......if the department says this is a 90 detailthen why are they having the officers involved bid to select districts?
I thought that once you are a successful bidder, you cannot leave (bid out) for a year.
If you are detailed then you go back to whatever unit or district you came from. So doesn't submitting a bid make it permanent?
Districts are short Lts and the idea is to use 5 Lts who will be responsible for only 2 sgts ea. in ea Area. Isn't that what the Lts and tact teams do already? Area 3 has a tact Lt in each dist. with tact teams at the Dep chiefs disposal. Why do we need another Lt?
5/25/2011 10:15:00 PM
Obviously we need Lt JL, assigned to Area 2 Task Force, with his Desk Jockey JH, to support the new "Dat Donuts" on 111th ST. Wake up rookie
It gets better, now we hear they are not totally disbanding. They are keeping 3 Lts and 2 sgts and 60 handpicked pos from msf to be sent to area 3, 4, 5.
Didn't msf run a whole unit at one time with 3 lts?
So with the city short boss es, Lts citywide ruining all over at time and a half, we have the luxury of 1 Lt per 2 sgts?? What are you thinking? Explain this to the taxpayers in a cash strapped city.
And another specialty unit on area 3.? What for?
5/25/2011 08:30:00 AM
FYI this move will save the city $. Each lt can be detailed to a district within that area to be the watch commander without paying time and 1/2.
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And, if you become that draggy dog no one wants to work with, with the attitude no one wants to be around, people will remember that for a LONG, long time, too.
5/25/2011 11:27:00 PM
Ok, question. What if you become a congenial, humorous, helpful and friendly "dog". Would that be ok? Someone who is not pro-avtive but answers their jobs, knocks out paper and does nothing more other than back up fellow officers. Would this be permissible? Just trying to get a sense of what is ok here.
If you do not like your job - then leave. You will not be missed and what you have done or currently do for the dept. will not be missed. Apply elsewhere!!!!!
5/25/2011 10:02:00 PM
No. Just no. If you do not like you fellow workers advocating for improved working conditions how about YOU leave?? Your company-man attitude will not be missed. Apply elsewhere.
hopefully Tact units step up and not lock up drinkers and pissers, or stay down after their one rocker felony arrest....
5/25/2011 08:07:00 PM
Why "hopefully"? Drinking in public and possession of Controlled Substances are illegal. Are you suggesting that officers should disobey their oath to uphold the law and arrest wrongdoers when confronted with evidence of such crimes? If so, then it is you who is not fit to wear the uniform. There is no crime "too small" to enforce, there are only coward and glory-seeking officers who "let slide" illegal acts
I see a lot of working out, ducking out and eating out going on at old 1300 W. Jackson. Welcome to the 9 hour day.
5/25/2011 06:34:00 PM
Working out? Ok but wow, how can you be against that? Sounds good to me. It might come as a shock you but... there are actually departments and agencies who actually allow members to work out on company time. Police work is sometimes a physical business. Physical fitness is therefore important. Just a thought you might want to consider, Junior
Any copper at the academy or range for more then a year should be returned to street duty.
5/25/2011 07:53:00 AM
Wow, you should be the new Supe. Really your logic astounds. Anyone who has the qualifications for, and desires to be, an instructor should set their sights on a one-year gig. Yeah, that will attract a lot of people! Retard
The sad thing is the voting public will actually believe him because yes they are that fucking stupid.
These are the same idiots that voted Todd Stroger into office.
5/25/2011 07:11:00 AM
Amen to that brother! A-fucking-men
Hmmm Rhambone is putting 500 more cops back on the street who were already on the street. Yup same bullshit as always!
5/25/2011 10:22:00 AM
A-fucking-men
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