Free Passes From Governor
You'd think that after a parolee just shot and almost killed two Chicago cops, the governor would just maybe delay making this sort of announcement. It's obvious that his part of the criminal justice system needs a second look - parole hearings, clemency boards, pardons for violent offenders:
- Rosa Young-Bey Williams said she had been praying for what happened Friday, the day Gov. Pat Quinn made her one of 50 people getting pardons for past crimes.
The 64-year-old Williams now lives in Vista, Calif., but she said her teaching career was cut short when she was convicted for the Glendale Heights shooting of her ex-husband in the arm and shoulder during a 1988 domestic dispute.
“One day I just told myself I wasn’t going to take any more beatings,” she recalled Friday. “I didn’t kill him. I just shot him.”
Because that's what people do. If you want to get technical about it, her break came when she beat the "attempted first degree murder" charge. To only have been convicted of aggravated battery and armed violence was a gift. Everything afterwards is on her. But not anymore thanks to Pat Quinn.
And if this is the case the media highlights, we can only imagine what the other 49 cases look like.
And if this is the case the media highlights, we can only imagine what the other 49 cases look like.
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posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
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More and more the dumocrats are letting criminals roam free! Old mr potato head quinn typical liberal mental disorder allows them to prey on innocents!
She was also upset that her conviction prevented her from opening a home daycare-um, yeah-who would want her watching their kids? Never mind.
What does Quinn care!
He's gallivanting around in Israel this week because there's nothing for him to do here.
(OT) Just talked to my unit rep,he told me that mike shields is telling certain people that the free 55 and out medical will be history 01jan2013 truth or fiction? Hey Mike get you quiet ass out of that quiet room,and from behind the wheel of that fancy Lincoln we bought you and say something. At least Donohue spoke up at times kid your over your head! Please Mike submit a Par form and resign with your "family and friends" program for jobs before the audit and you go away for awhile!
BREAKING NEWS!!!
This just in. . .
Apparently the Superintendent has decided that black vest covers are not a good thing, and is going to restrict them to being worn underneath the shirt.
In his opinion, offenders are aiming for head shots when firing at police because they know the officers are wearing bullet proof vests. He apparently had this ephipeny on the scene of the 011th District shooting this past week.
At the Compstat meeting, he opened the floor to discussion of the matter. It was reported that Cmdr Kennedy nearly jumped out of his seat to agree with McStupid. Once Kennedy broke the ice, a plethera of other exempts also agreed with his finding. The only exempt to disagree (in a nice way) was Leo Schmitz.
The Superintendent then concluded that he will discuss the matter further in committee, but it appeared that his mind was made up. No more wearing of the vests over the shirt. Expect the order to come down shortly.
Interestingly, he didn't even think of the possibility that exterior vest covers help to protect against "friendly fire" against plain clothes officers, in that they are readily identifiable to other officers arriving on the scene. Maybe if they wore their vests on the outside in New York, they wouldn't accidentially kill each other so often.
Yeah Rosa, what a pain in the ass. I don't know if I want to live in a Country that punishes people for something as minor as shooting someone in the shoulder.
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/07/22/ex-chicago-cop-berates-officers-who-pull-him-over-for-dui/
off topic, two shot one killed at peterson and kedzie... wow, the northside is going to absolute shit!! watch out.... its spreading west like wildfire. 016 is surrounded on all sides including all the scum coming down from park ridge... if your living in 016, but that for sale sign out... nothing but scumbags moving in all around. I sold 5 months ago and moved south... best move I ever made.
Wow its not like I killed him I just shot him. Ghetto mentality.its all good joe!!!!!!!
OT: Already 40 police shootings this year. Don't even read the comments unless you need a dose of stupidity.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/6650643-418/shootings-by-chicago-cops-soar-in-2011.html
I spent a night in jail and a few thousand dollars in lawyer fees, since I grabbed my crazy wife ( now ex) on the arm, in trying to stop her from taking my daughter with her when she went into one of her lunatic rages.
All she had to do was call 911 and guess who ends up in jail? F the bs system we have.
Sorry. Disagree with you on this one, SCC.
People really need to understand that Pardons are NOT the same thing as Commutation of a sentence. Google, if you don't know the difference.
People are not perfect.
Sometimes, even good people screw up (Do I really need to 'name names' as far as this goes?) Sometimes, good people screw up BAD and wind up in prison.
But, it's possible that they can get their shit together and rebound... Pardons simply remove the collateral consequences associated with a past conviction. Do you really think that someone who committed some offense when they were young, or some low level offense, deserves to be blackballed from life, forever?
Being the internet, a bunch of pious, self-righteous assholes will say YES! FUCK 'EM FOREVER! but behind closed doors, we all know how it really goes...
None of this is to deny the existence of that subculture of permanently broken ghetto assholes who deserve EVERY OUNCE of what they get, but one time offenses, in light of a track record that demonstrates that person has been living stably and productively for a long period of time? I'm totally OK with giving them a second chance.
So this is the point in the conversation where a bunch of jagoffs will call me a "LIBERAL!" which couldn't be any further from the truth... but that type of sanctimonious, holier-than-thou bullshit is precisely why a lot of people are turned off by Republicans and wind up voting that way.
Let me guess--Trib open post on this story?
OT--
Can someone send me a rowboat or hip-waders?
Woke up to 2 ft. of water in the basement...my wet vac was plugged in and now floating on its side. Strange buzzing coming from my (new) furnace.
Does anyone know if a pair of waders would protect me from shock?
Also, does anyone know if I'm going to have to replace the furnace or water heater or will they dry out?
Help, single female PO. I'd appreciate some advice...the sump pump just kicked on--aren't they supposed to PREVENT flooding? WTF?
Was just thinking about calling my insurance on Monday to get flood coverage--is this considered a flood or is it just a flooded basement?
I just want to thank all of those who voted for Quinn and all those who decided that voting was too much of a burden and stayed home.
You get what you put into it. Enjoy those higher taxes and all the new criminals on the street.
She never heard of divorce? No mention of other, more sane, choices to end a bad relationship, other than killing him?
Fucking losers. And slowly but surely, this type of behavior is becoming acceptable because of people like Quinn.
---not a cop
(OT) Just talked to my unit rep,he told me that mike shields is telling certain people that the free 55 and out medical will be history 01jan2013 truth or fiction? Hey Mike get you quiet ass out of that quiet room,and from behind the wheel of that fancy Lincoln we bought you and say something. At least Donohue spoke up at times kid your over your head! Please Mike submit a Par form and resign with your "family and friends" program for jobs before the audit and you go away for awhile!
7/23/2011 12:22:00 AM
He drives a Lincoln?
---not a cop
I agree with the decision to eliminate the black vest cover and make us wear the vest under our shirts. If not that, at least make the color of the carrier the same as the shirt you are wearing. I think it looks stupid to see all these black vests especially now with the word POLICE emblazoned across the back. And while you are at it, how about going one step further and eliminating those stupid baseball caps and the even more stupid shorts. How can anyones appearance command respect when you look like a big goof with a bb cap and shorts? Just sayin.
Ref. black vest covers: Does McStupid really believe that the bad guys on the street are such good shots that they have the ability, under combat conditions, to aim for and specifically hit the head? Jesus! Here's the fact. The bad guy thrusts his arm out at should height and starts firing - that's about head level. That's the reality. Let's be concerned more about WHY the bad guy is so bold rather than what color the vest cover is. You don't think that by now the street thugs don't know we are wearing vests?
OT: A man and woman were shot in their car by a man who attempted to rob them early this morning on the North Side, police said.
A man in his 30s was shot in the abdomen and was taken in serious condition to Illinois Masonic Hospital, said Police News Affairs Officer Hector Alfaro. His companion, a woman in her 20s, was shot in a shoulder and abdomen and also was in serious condition.
The couple was sitting in a vehicle shortly after 4 a.m. when the gunman approached on foot in the 4100 block of North Kenmove Avenue in the Buena Park neighborhood and tried to rob them, police said.
No on was in custdoy, and Area 3 detectives were investigating.
What are the actual facts of this story? If she was a battered ex wife who took one too many beatings, good for her for putting a couple downrange.
How can people on this blog get all giddy at the prospect of some city dweller vigilante blasting someone trying to steal an ipod on Michigan Avenue, then cry all foul when a woman who get victimized for years finally says enough and blasts the fucker, more than 20 years ago and gets out early.
If that is the case.
Glendale Heights isn't exactly the 011th District.
OT: Mayor Richard Daley’s longtime press secretary has taken a job with the same international law firm that Daley joined last month, making her the third top official from his administration to land a job there.
Jacquelyn Heard, a former Chicago Tribune reporter who was Daley’s top message guru for 14 years, is Katten Muchin Rosenman’s new director of communications and public relations, the firm announced today. Her former top deputy, Jodi Kawada, also joined the firm, as manager of communications.
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Real Estate The announcement came one week after Mara Georges, who was the city’s top attorney under Daley for 12 years, became a partner at the firm. It has offices in Chicago, other major U.S. cities and London.
The firm also plans to open an office in Shanghai. During his later years as mayor, Daley established relationships with many top Chinese officials.
Katten Muchin negotiated the city’s much criticized long-term lease of city parking meters. Daley, 69, is a longtime friend of real estate attorney Terry Newman, a partner in the firm who is chairman of the Illinois Housing Development Authority.
Nice how they all get taken care of by the law firm that brokered the parking meter deal!
Coincidence? Me thinks not, but what do we know/ Nothing to see here, move along.
Anonymous said...
(OT) Just talked to my unit rep,he told me that mike shields is telling certain people that the free 55 and out medical will be history 01jan2013 truth or fiction? ...
7/23/2011 12:22:00 AM
Hey pea brain. The free 55 and out medical was a ploy by Daley to reduce the size of the CPD and rid the city of the most senior and HIGHEST paid coppers. That was a decision for the mayor and had NOTHING to do with Donahue, the FOP or anyone else.
Now that the coppers have taken advantage of it and left, I'm sure you will see THIS mayor take it away, maybe even from the guys who retired. Don't say it can't happen!
Finally, I don't know if you, or 'your guy' lost in the last FOP election, but grow up with the anonymous attacks on Shields. It makes YOU look like a cry baby LOSER and does nothing to support or solidify our Union. If we don't ALL pitch in and "row in the same direction", we will be the same bunch of clowns that old man Daley kept divided and powerless when he refused to let us unionize. I guess you youngsters are too young to remember those days, though.
And instead of worrying about what kind of car is being driven by our FOP President, why not be concerned about how Daley and Burke get around town. THAT is the real problem!
It is amazing the lengths to which Jelly Spine Quinn will go to release convicted felons back into society while, at the same time, strenuously resisting the constitutional right of law abiding citizens to bear arms. He has pardoned 50 felons to live in our midst but has given the average citizen no way to deal with them should they return to their criminal ways. Edmund Burke the Irish Statesman and member of the British House of Commons who was known for his support of the American Revolution theorized that citizens will rebel against laws that on their face or in their application are unfair. Illinois is the only state that does not permit concealed carry. At the same time the State of Illinois contorts the criminal justice system to favor the early release, parole and pardon of convicted felons. The gun laws in Illinois place the citizenry in an unfair position in relation to the criminal element. It is no surprise that Illinois citizens are arming themselves and carrying arms in rebellion against an unfair and unconstitutional law.
Anonymous said...
off topic, two shot one killed at peterson and kedzie... wow, the northside is going to absolute shit!! watch out.... its spreading west like wildfire. 016 is surrounded on all sides including all the scum coming down from park ridge... if your living in 016, but that for sale sign out... nothing but scumbags moving in all around. I sold 5 months ago and moved south... best move I ever made.
7/23/2011 01:03:00 AM
Why is this suprising when all the coppers are either retired or assigned to the ghetto?
Being the internet, a bunch of pious, self-righteous assholes will say YES! FUCK 'EM FOREVER! but behind closed doors, we all know how it really goes...
None of this is to deny the existence of that subculture of permanently broken ghetto assholes who deserve EVERY OUNCE of what they get, but one time offenses, in light of a track record that demonstrates that person has been living stably and productively for a long period of time? I'm totally OK with giving them a second chance.
So this is the point in the conversation where a bunch of jagoffs will call me a "LIBERAL!" which couldn't be any further from the truth... but that type of sanctimonious, holier-than-thou bullshit is precisely why a lot of people are turned off by Republicans and wind up voting that way.
7/23/2011 01:50:00 AM
My guess is that you speak from personal experience. I am one of those guys that would be in the "Fuck 'em forever club". We're not talking about a DUI in your teens keeping you from getting a truckers license so you can feed your kids.
That's the problem today, we a TOO forgiving. There are little or no consequence for bad behavior. This 60's "buy the world a Coke" mentality is killing this society.
Do the crime, wear the stain.
Apparently the Superintendent has decided that black vest covers are not a good thing, and is going to restrict them to being worn underneath the shirt.
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I doubt it makes any real difference. When untrained shooters shoot, they tend to point in the general direction of what they want to kill and pull the trigger. Where the bullet goes involves a high degree of randomness for the untrained shooter, which is likely why the scum shooting at cops are mostly missing or not hitting vital spots while the cops are doing much better.
Personally, I think it is better for cops to wear a uniform that is easily recognizable as a police uniform. And it ought to be uniform from cop to cop, not some mishmash of whatever that guy decided to wear that day.
BREAKING NEWS!!!
This just in. . .
Apparently the Superintendent has decided that black vest covers are not a good thing, and is going to restrict them to being worn underneath the shirt.
How typical. We have shit computers, shit radios, shit cars and shit supervisors. Crime is out of control and these ass wipes are concerned about vest covers. Hey dick heads the bad guys know we wear bullet resistant vests. Same stupid shit with this fuck hole of a sup. as the last one.
OT--
McStupe is having a big meeting with the revs at HQ this a.m. at 0930. The West side revs.
Maybe this stupe will ask the revs if they could kindly talk to the gangbangers and ask them to stop shooting at police? It didn't work when the other stupe asked the gangbangers to 'knock it off.' Maybe this stupe is trying a different angle?
Guess he didn't learn his lesson from the debacle at St. Sabina? Or maybe he did, since he can control the video footage this time?
Heard this the other day when I was at HQ dropping off some paperwork.
Couldn't believe my ears. Some people are just galactically stupid.
God I hope he reads this blog!
Find out what it's all about trolls!
OT--
Can someone send me a rowboat or hip-waders?
Woke up to 2 ft. of water in the basement...my wet vac was plugged in and now floating on its side. Strange buzzing coming from my (new) furnace.
Does anyone know if a pair of waders would protect me from shock?
Also, does anyone know if I'm going to have to replace the furnace or water heater or will they dry out?
Help, single female PO. I'd appreciate some advice...the sump pump just kicked on--aren't they supposed to PREVENT flooding? WTF?
Was just thinking about calling my insurance on Monday to get flood coverage--is this considered a flood or is it just a flooded basement?
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It is probably not a flood, as defined by insurance carriers. Only the US government underwrites actual flood insurance.
Most carriers these days do not cover water damage at all unless you have a special rider.
You should call your agent now. They usually have after hours phone numbers. They usually have contact information for reliable companies to come deal with your problem, and will know if the insurance will cover the repairs. the faster you get this dealt with the less damage. Do not wait till Monday morning to call. Call NOW.
Sump pumps do not always prevent basement floods. Sometimes they fail for various reasons and other times they just cannot keep up with the amount of water coming into the basement.
An alarm to tell you that water is coming into your basement might be a wise choice. It could wake you up in time to do something about the problem before it becomes as big a mess. Or it might just wake you up to something you can't do anything about anyway. But at least you would know. Hook it into your alarm system so the alarm company can alert you if you are not home.
Electrical stuff sometimes can be dried out and it will be OK. But it is hard to say with any certainty. It may be that the electrical parts of your furnace and water heater that got wet can be replaced without having to replace the rest. Someone competent will have to come take a look and make that determination.
Any electrical devices such as outlet that may have gotten wet are highly suspect and probably should be replaced.
Waders will NOT protect you from electrical shock. The only safe way to go down in your basement while there is water there is to turn off the power to the whole house while you are in the basement.
Great post 1:50 am.
That is the most well written and thoughtful post I've seen here in quite some time.
Supt . McCarthy , thank you , body armour should be worn under the uniform shirt or in a cover that mirrors the shirt . CPD will look more professional . As for plain cloths tactical officers , put them in uniform . Detectives should be rewuired to wear body armour under sport coat or in a custom vest or seater type cover.
BREAKING NEWS!!!
This just in. . .
Apparently the Superintendent has decided that black vest covers are not a good thing, and is going to restrict them to being worn underneath the shirt.
In his opinion, offenders are aiming for head shots when firing at police because they know the officers are wearing bullet proof vests. He apparently had this ephipeny on the scene of the 011th District shooting this past week.
At the Compstat meeting, he opened the floor to discussion of the matter. It was reported that Cmdr Kennedy nearly jumped out of his seat to agree with McStupid. Once Kennedy broke the ice, a plethera of other exempts also agreed with his finding. The only exempt to disagree (in a nice way) was Leo Schmitz.
The Superintendent then concluded that he will discuss the matter further in committee, but it appeared that his mind was made up. No more wearing of the vests over the shirt. Expect the order to come down shortly.
Interestingly, he didn't even think of the possibility that exterior vest covers help to protect against "friendly fire" against plain clothes officers, in that they are readily identifiable to other officers arriving on the scene. Maybe if they wore their vests on the outside in New York, they wouldn't accidentially kill each other so often.
7/23/2011 12:28:00 AM
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Not that I'm doubting this took place because I've never seen the stupidity and balllessness that I've seen in the last
3 years as opposed to my previous 22 yrs on this job. But I really don't think this moron can do this once it's been approved and hundreds, maybe thousands of Officers already purchased and wear them.
It really doesn't surprise me to see our useless exempts cower and bow down to the Supt. It would really be nice if these exempts were worried about us Officers as much as they are about kissing the ring.
BE SAFE!
OT comment......change our shirts to navy blue and it won't be so obvious about the vest covers. Sgts and below in NYPD and all ranks in LAPD wear navy blue shirts. We should too.
To the poster on outside vest covers: I hope someone who actually knows what they are talking about chimes in. Wearing the vest under the shirt or outside, they still know you have it on. Also, you are denying those who wish to wear Level IV protection from using their body armor as it won't fit under a shirt.
You also limit the amount of gear you can carry to what you can squeeze onto a duty belt. Would it not be a better idea to ask the input of experts rather than exempts who don't know the first thing about firearms or tactical gear before making such a decision?
Regarding the vest covers. I just paid $740 for my diamondback vest. On that, I have a trauma kit, 2 rifle mags, 2 pistol mags and my radio. My vest won't fit under my shirt so now I'll have to buy new shirts. Moving that extra stuff to the waist will make me lose the extra cuffs too. This may not be a good idea....sir.
Pat Quinn is a sorry excuse for the
governor of this state. He lacks
consistance and always goes back on
his word even if it makes him look
like a empty-headed boob.
Who is jerking his chain ?
Must be the Witch At Endor. You see
what her advice did for King Saul.
Since Pat Quinn appears to be inept
concerning his job, now is the time
to exercise that Recall procedure to see if it will work.
i wonder how that person would feel if he got his teeth knocked out? oh, it was just his first offense. listen, i would say a person convicted of a crime..had committed that same crime 5-10 times before getting caught. i ve caught burglars that were active for YEARS! this is for the person that believes these people have committed 1 little mistake.
With all of the crooks, hustlers, and inept felons that has held the the
office of governor of the State of
Illinois,present occupant included, that job should be
abolished and the responsibility
given to Michael Madigan because
he calls the shots anyway.
2 idiots it doesn't matter what color the vest cover is all the bad guys and everyone else in the world no that police officers wear bulletproof vest it's common knowledge.
"...In his opinion, offenders are aiming for head shots when firing at police because they know the officers are wearing bullet proof vests. He apparently had this ephipeny on the scene of the 011th District shooting this past week."
Hey, Gary Retardthy, they already know we have vests on, you fool. You think we can trick them by wearing them under our shirts? What a fucking idiot you are. Too bad no supervisors at your meeting had the balls to tell you what an idiot you are. Ok, maybe Leo, but with all those steroids, his balls are probably really small. Why don't you check them personally Gary?
Replace your water heater! The emergency shut off valve will rust and fail to work in the future! I dont know about the furnace though!
Hey! Guess what?
The Sun Times found out who's responsible for all these shootings!!
Look:
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Shootings by Chicago cops soar in 2011
BY FRANK MAIN Staff
Reporter/fmain@suntimes.com July 23, 2011 12:10AM
Chicago Police officers have shot 40 people this year, nearly as many as in all of 2010.
No one knows for sure why police-involved shootings are up.
[...]
Police point to statistics that show aggravated assaults and batteries on police officers have risen from 739 in 2000 to 1,789 last year.
[...]
Even though such shootings are on the rise, overall violent crime in Chicago is falling this year, police say.
[...]
AGGRAVATED BATTERIES/ASSAULTS ON POLICE OFFICERS:
2011 786*
2010 1,789
2009 1,818
2008 1,568
2007 1,526
2006 1,480
*as of June 30
SOURCE: Chicago Police Department
[...]
But CeaseFire Director Tio Hardiman, whose organization mediates conflicts to prevent shootings, said he thinks police are sometimes too quick to pull the trigger these days.
“You have this ‘license to kill’ mindset,” Hardiman said. “The mindset is: ‘We are going to get the crime down no matter what it takes.’ ”
Hardiman said the police department needs to do a better job of communicating with inner-city youth.
“The police get training on working in crime hot spots, but young people don’t have any training on how to deal with the police,” he said.
The full story is here:
http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/6650643-417/shootings-by-chicago-cops-soar-in-2011.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Oh man...see that..the problem is that the coppers are not training pookie how to deal with the po-po.
Hahaha obviously what we need in this city is more reaching out....while the lil' p.o.s are popping off rounds at your head you need to communicate with them..
Seriously? Seriously???
OT when did American Citizens become so stupid and elect people to give away our hard earned tax money to support illegal immigrants, other US citizens that are 3rd and 4th generation welfare
families . Most of us work hard as construction , police , firefighters , other labor unions and are not much better off after taxes than the illegals and people on welfare . wake up America , vote in the next election .
For the suburbanites and citizens downstate , drive through the inner city , people have cars ,
cell phones , ipods , eat at fast food restaurants and are receiving welfare or social security at an early age because the claim they are disabled . wake up before it's to late.
So this is the point in the conversation where a bunch of jagoffs will call me a "LIBERAL!" which couldn't be any further from the truth... but that type of sanctimonious, holier-than-thou bullshit is precisely why a lot of people are turned off by Republicans and wind up voting that way.
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Precisely the attitude that caters to repeat offenders. Does the guy that molests your child deserve a second chance? Well, people like you give it to them, and they do it to another person's child. Congrats!
You are the Holier-than-thou forgive all person. Hypocrite.
First, I had major floods twice in my basement..shame on me for not calling XPERT flood control sooner. I had NO water last night, not a tear.
Your furnace is probably done. Service Master is a professional cleaning service for floods that some insurance policies cover..they are SUPER EXPENSIVE, so try to do it yourself, but call you insurance to check.
If you have multiple claims on your insurance for basement flooding, they will drop you for a period of time, it happened to me.
Good luck everybody..sharkin at work tonight.
The Governor is a Taxaholic Socialist, Anti-American goofball, who stuffs his face like the Fat Pig he is, at every freebie luncheon and dinner he can make, never paying a dime, and living off Taxpayers like a parasite feeds off a living organism.
He worships the false god of government, just like his Democommiecrat Party. The late Chicago mayor Harold Washington was right when he stated that Quinn was basically a useless buffoon..
Seceed or move from Felonois, if at all possible for yourselves and families.
7/23/2011 03:49:00 AM
The safest way is to shut off the power outside by the meter. It will either have a fuse behind a panel or a circuit breaker. Then go shut off everything before you re-set the meter. The waders will probably work but it is not worth the gamble.
Major reorganization in August for the CPD.
It is very hard to get a pardon, even for those who have spent many years after their conviction as law abiding citizens.
There should be some kind of reward available for those few who get out of prison and do turn their life around.
It ought to happen a lot more often, not less.
The problem is not the few who get out and make the effort to be law abiding again. It is those who never intended to do anything but return to a life of crime after they get out.
This appears to be a case of a generally law abiding person that society abandoned and allowed her to be seriously abused for a long time and just could not take it anymore. She paid for her crime. Let it go.
The bad guys know we wear bullet proof vests. It doent matter if its showing or not....bad idea especially when it's 100 fucking degrees out.
Take away the vest covers? Is he trying to demoralize is further? Finish off the job Weis did? Where the hell is the FOP? McGruff should be way more concerned about one man units than the vest covers!!!!
HBT in 005 this morning.
Ok....a Battered women shoots and doesn't kill the person that is beating her....gets ag bat conviction; and does time...and you all complain the Gov paroles her.
That is one of the few cases where I think clemency was deserved and she shouldn't have done time at all.
The case you're talking about happened 23 years ago, she was convicted the next year, it happened in a setting of domestic violence, and she served a significant time in prison for it. She's now in her 60's. The recidivism rate for violent crime for 63 year old women isn't all that high.
Would I have pardoned her? I don't know. I might well not have. But it's not an absurd decision based on what I can find about the case.
Anonymous said...
BREAKING NEWS!!!
This just in. . .
Apparently the Superintendent has decided that black vest covers are not a good thing, and is going to restrict them to being worn underneath the shirt.
In his opinion, offenders are aiming for head shots when firing at police because they know the officers are wearing bullet proof vests. He apparently had this ephipeny on the scene of the 011th District shooting this past week.
At the Compstat meeting, he opened the floor to discussion of the matter. It was reported that Cmdr Kennedy nearly jumped out of his seat to agree with McStupid. Once Kennedy broke the ice, a plethera of other exempts also agreed with his finding. The only exempt to disagree (in a nice way) was Leo Schmitz.
The Superintendent then concluded that he will discuss the matter further in committee, but it appeared that his mind was made up. No more wearing of the vests over the shirt. Expect the order to come down shortly.
Interestingly, he didn't even think of the possibility that exterior vest covers help to protect against "friendly fire" against plain clothes officers, in that they are readily identifiable to other officers arriving on the scene. Maybe if they wore their vests on the outside in New York, they wouldn't accidentially kill each other so often.
7/23/2011 12:28:00 AM
This is a good idea, and Policy in many Law Enforcement Agencies, besides, it looks sloppy.
I do wish the Governor's office had issued a press release with more details of more cases. The Trib doesn't have time for all the details, but the governor's office could put something on the web. I searched and found nothing.
They tried to get me to go to rehab. I said "No, No, No."
Can someone send me a rowboat or hip-waders
I had 2+ in my basement, I let them dry out for a few hours and all are working, furnace,hot water even washer and dryer. Check with your insurance about sewer back up ins. I pay about $75 extra a year and it covers times like this, had to use it twice and it was well worth it. Just finished making a claim for today's flood.
To the female PO with the flooded basement: Call the insurance company first. If its covered call a reputable HVAC company and they can take care of it. (Don't buy into the bullshit that you need a whole new unit unless the furnace is 20 years old or something, then you might as well). If not you can take the doors off the furnace (both) after the basement is empty of water and blow a fan on the insides for at least a day or so to dry out the motor and circuit board(s). It may do the trick, as for the water heater the burner section has to be removed and blown out and possibly a new ignitor (if there is one) will be needed. Or, best idea, call a reputable HVAC company and have them do it. Good Luck from a retired Union HVAC guy (38 years in the trade) and CPD family member.
OT: Hey SCC did you get a to see this crock of Bull Sh%$ in the Sun Times regarding the increase in police involved shootings? Here are a couple quotes from the paper;
The spike may be cyclical or there could be systemic causes — involving training or police policy — but it’s too early to tell without studying each shooting, Rosenzweig (IPRA)said.
But CeaseFire Director Tio Hardiman, whose organization mediates conflicts to prevent shootings, said he thinks police are sometimes too quick to pull the trigger these days.
“You have this ‘license to kill’ mindset,” Hardiman said. “The mindset is: ‘We are going to get the crime down no matter what it takes.’ ”
Hardiman said the police department needs to do a better job of communicating with inner-city youth.
Remember this asshole the next time anyone is asked to assist or work with the Commie group Ceasefire. GFY Tito!! Hey, isn't he one of the Jacksons?
no wonder he carried only two or three of Illinois' 102 counties in the election....most of the rest of the state knew he was a mush...
Who and why the fuk did they vote that corksucker it again. He was an icehole when he betrayed Logo th get the job by political assassination now the test tube motherforker want to invite insurrection and brigaindage.
I die, you die!
Press one for: Live cremation.
Press two for: Free assent from 550 ft.
Press three for: Ant digestion.
why would he ask exempts about outer vest covers? (would any of them have the balls to disagree, would any of them have any recent, extensive, street time, would any of them appreciate the fact that the vests "identify" the wearer as the police (meaning, at trial, the defendant/mope says, "I didn't know he was the police")?....
I'm the one who asked for a rowboat...thanks for all the advice you guys, very much, thank you.
The pump pumped out the water, and around 1300 the AIR came on!!!!! Yipeee!
Tried the hot water, that's working too!!!! Double yip!
I think I'll 'call a guy' to check them both out though.
Mouse must have swirled down the drain too, so I guess that's 3 yips for me today!
Hope everyone dealing with this issue today is coping. No sense freaking out--it is what it is and you just have to deal.
Don't know if my wet/dry vac that looked like a space shuttle bobbing in the ocean is working. I know that's what they do, but I'm afraid to plug it in....I'm too exhausted to worry about it now, because there's some bottles of bleach with my name on them!
Good luck to all!
Thanks again.
the bad guys know that every police officer in the country wears a vest whether it is over or under the uniform shirt. it does not matter where we wear them they know we have them on. wearing the vest on the outside of the shirt gives you more options to carry equipment that otherwise would not fit on the belt. not to mention that wearing gear on the vest as opposed to the belt is better for your back.
Is this guy for real vest covers. The blue ones get dirty and never get washed (2) name tags star numbers fall off shirts or ripped off. WTF
He, Quinn, is a Tool in the New World Order-National Socialist Takeover of America. A true Communist tool.
"But CeaseFire Director Tio Hardiman, whose organization mediates conflicts to prevent shootings, said he thinks police are sometimes too quick to pull the trigger these days.
“You have this ‘license to kill’ mindset,” Hardiman said. “The mindset is: ‘We are going to get the crime down no matter what it takes.’ ”
Hardiman said the police department needs to do a better job of communicating with inner-city youth.
Remember this asshole the next time anyone is asked to assist or work with the Commie group Ceasefire. GFY Tito!! Hey, isn't he one of the Jacksons?"
7/23/2011 02:44:00 PM
fuck him, and the horse he rode in on....if some rotten bastard points a firearm at the police....guess what....he has forfeited his right to live
Anonymous said...
(OT) Just talked to my unit rep,he told me that mike shields is telling certain people that the free 55 and out medical will be history 01jan2013 truth or fiction? Hey Mike get you quiet ass out of that quiet room,and from behind the wheel of that fancy Lincoln we bought you and say something. At least Donohue spoke up at times kid your over your head! Please Mike submit a Par form and resign with your "family and friends" program for jobs before the audit and you go away for awhile!
7/23/2011 12:22:00 AM
True, it's OVER. That was the original agreement, and the City only agreed to honor it till 2012. Jan. 1, 2013, that song is over, most likely.
Precisely the attitude that caters to repeat offenders. Does the guy that molests your child deserve a second chance? Well, people like you give it to them, and they do it to another person's child. Congrats!
You are the Holier-than-thou forgive all person. Hypocrite.
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I swear to god people like you are balls out retarded.
Not all offenses are the same. Some deserve a lifetime scarlett letter, but most do not.
Your daily experience as LE is totally irrelevant to this. You spend all day chasing after shitheads who HAVE NOT rehabilitated. Plenty have. They live quite lives, many have gone to college... they grew the fuck up and they aren't in the spectrum of interest for the police.
So does this mean a guy who stole a car at 19 shouldn't be able to hunt with his grandson when he's 56, after running a successful construction business for the past 30 years?
Get a fucking clue... and sad it it needs to be mentioned AGAIN as was already mentioned at 1:50 am.
A "pardon" is not the same thing as a "commutation". We even had some dumbass in these comments wailing and gnashing teeth about 'FELONS BEING LET BACK OUT ON THE STREETS!".
So many of you think the system is so 'perfect' in dealing with everyone else, except when its a situation like Cozzi, or something like that. Here's some advice. It fucks up with others, just like it fucked up with him. Lifetime criminal record for low level offenses- in the absence of any other offenses over a long period of time- is the most counterproductive policy, ever.
Let a man out of jail and make it so he can't get a job if he wants to work and get himself straight, don't wonder why he does something drastic.
Take away the vest covers after we were finally allowed to wear them in black and with the star, nametag and Police on the back for better identification to other coppers. Jeez for every small step we take forward we take 3 steps back. For Detectives it is a great way to identify yourself on a scene. For tact teams same thing. This guy has got to quit smoking crack and drinking his brain cells away. Next will we have to hide our weapons so the savages think we are unarmed and don't shoot at us. The outside holster will carry a flower bouquet. Jeez I'm starting to miss J-Fled more and more each day. I never thought I'd feel that way.
Was that a SPEEDBUMP?! said...
Regarding the vest covers. I just paid $740 for my diamondback vest. On that, I have a trauma kit, 2 rifle mags, 2 pistol mags and my radio. My vest won't fit under my shirt so now I'll have to buy new shirts. Moving that extra stuff to the waist will make me lose the extra cuffs too. This may not be a good idea....sir.
7/23/2011 09:56:00 AM
I'll just put the vest on the inside and we can have a bulls eye on the chest and back. That will fool them into shooting into the target area where the vest protects us.
Then we announce three times in a clear voice "POLICE, in the name of the law I command peace so place your weapon on the ground in front of you and throw your hands up in the air or I will be forced to use a level of force that might prove to be lethal to you."
Great idea McCarthy.
Actually, if I don't like the fucking look of some mother fucker I will just light them up and make goddamned sure I go home at night.
What kind of stupid SOB did rahmzilla hire here anyway?
Although I am now retired, I think the outside vest covers in black are a good idea. They don't show dirt (much easier to keep clean!)
nearly as much as the old blue cloth ones did.
Besides, in this heat, many cops will appreciate being able to pop that vest off when they come into the station to process an arrest. You can't do that anywhere near as easily when that vest sits under your shirt. And I've worn it both ways; when I came on the Job, they didn't make outside covers for the vests, you HAD to wear them under your shirt.
---another old retired guy.
Response to this nonsense:I agree with the decision to eliminate the black vest cover and make us wear the vest under our shirts. If not that, at least make the color of the carrier the same as the shirt you are wearing. I think it looks stupid to see all these black vests especially now with the word POLICE emblazoned across the back. And while you are at it, how about going one step further and eliminating those stupid baseball caps and the even more stupid shorts. How can anyones appearance command respect when you look like a big goof with a bb cap and shorts? Just sayin.
Seriously this is your concern? You think at the end of the day it matters what you're wearing in order to command respect from shit birds lol lol! You think vest cover color, shorts, baseball caps is what is going through the minds of people that shoot at you. It's not what you wear but your presence and your response to any given situation. Amazing, I understand at times the attire cops wear and how it's worn makes them come off a certain way but it's not the end all be all otherwise Jody wearing the uniform perfectly should have commanded the utmost respect.
Do any cpd bosses supervise? civilian superintents take over cpd and police officers wear goatees , beards , and wear the star in a leather wallet on a chain around their neck .
Just read Sunday addition of Sun Times and the new members of CPD pose for a picture , they look like a bunch of security guard rejects . McCarthy , you better start holding sgt. , lt. and captain rank accountable . You are a leader of Police Officers with no respect for themselves or the uniform . Remember these are the same ones complaining that you had a goatee as the civilian acting superintendent
McCarthy should ban black vest covers for uniformed officers and members of detective division.
Black vest covers look like crap.
Illinois politics is all Madigan....he rules all, and every Illinois Dem politician takes his/her orders from him, including the governor....makes one wonder about the character of Illinois dem politicians (do they have any independent thought process, any character?)....eh.....probably not
"Interestingly, he didn't even think of the possibility that exterior vest covers help to protect against "friendly fire" against plain clothes officers, in that they are readily identifiable to other officers arriving on the scene. Maybe if they wore their vests on the outside in New York, they wouldn't accidentially kill each other so often."
Your wonderful post was ruined by this last paragraph. Are you telling me it is easier to tell if somebody is a copper because he wears his vest on the outside? I always thought the baby blue shirt with the star and the patches on it gave us away.
Nice how they all get taken care of by the law firm that brokered the parking meter deal!
Coincidence? Me thinks not, but what do we know/ Nothing to see here, move along.
7/23/2011 08:12:00 AM
my only solace, these days, is the certain knowledge that, eventually, all these motherless fucks end up as worm food, just like every body.
Supt . McCarthy , thank you , body armour should be worn under the uniform shirt or in a cover that mirrors the shirt . CPD will look more professional . As for plain cloths tactical officers , put them in uniform . Detectives should be rewuired to wear body armour under sport coat or in a custom vest or seater type cover.
Signed- the house of Versace
This is a good idea, and Policy in many Law Enforcement Agencies, besides, it looks sloppy.
7/23/2011 01:47:00 PM
You are a total idiot and obviously have never been the police or in a combat area where the gear you wear could mean the difference between life and death.
You probably think that carbines are a good idea locked in the trunk so when, in the middle of a firefight, you need to run back and unlock it to use it to save your life. Moron.
OT comment......change our shirts to navy blue and it won't be so obvious about the vest covers. Sgts and below in NYPD and all ranks in LAPD wear navy blue shirts. We should too.
7/23/2011 09:48:00 AM
Hey, assholes. This isn't the NYPD, LAPD or any other fucking agency. We have out own traditions and culture, not to mention a few hundred gold stars on a fucking wall that built that.
Go fuck your bullshit outsider ideas. Vests on the inside of the shirt? Are you kidding me? When we had five officers killed last year and over forty shootings this year, you want to take a tactical advantage AWAY from us so it looks like another agency?
Go fuck yourself and your ass kissing bullshit ideas. You exempts better find what little balls you have and do some fucking research before you try to kiss an ass and fuck over working cops. How fucking pathetic can you be?
Signed,
A combat veteran with nearly two decades of police experience under his belt and no tolerance for your stupidity. Grow some damned balls already!
OMG! Never buy either paper, but bought both today because I'm sick and wanted something to do.
Read the scum-times first--it was so littered with spelling errors and was so poorly edited it was giving me a headache. Looks like they've hired all CPS students!
Some of the articles and letters-to-the-editor made me want to scream!!!!
Yuck! Now I'm sicker than I was before, and will probably not bother reading the fib.
OTx2 comment......change our shirts to navy blue and it won't be so obvious about the vest covers. Sgts and below in NYPD and all ranks in LAPD wear navy blue shirts. We should too.
Won't show food stains as much (personal finding) also, you will need to buy larger shirts to fit over the vest......$$$$$
As for the 55 health insurance plan- whomever is referencing Mike Shields' knowing it will end in 2013- might be onto something.
Mayor Daley offers free health care coverage for officers 55+ until....Many people take advantage....
The Affordable Care Act funds small businesses, State and Local government to develop early retirement plan for 55 + worked....
Korshak decision is in 2013....
The City is forced to send out fliers explaining that the 55 health care is being funded by the Feds...
On the website for the Affordable health care, it is explained that the early retiree health care funding stops on 1 Jan 2014, when the state health care health care insurance go online.
Just saying- read everything carefully!
In August of 1962 inmate James Dukes was put to death in the Electric Chair at Cook County Jail
for killing a Chicago Police
Officer. Nowadays the killer will
serve a few years and get pardoned
by the governor. And if the shooter
and killed by Police Officers, then
his next of kin files a wrongful
death suit against the city and gets paid, and the Police might face charges from the State's Attorney.
Two bosses 30 pending !!
I sold 5 months ago and moved south... best move I ever made.
HAHAHAHAHA!
Anonymous said...
Supt . McCarthy , thank you , body armour should be worn under the uniform shirt or in a cover that mirrors the shirt . CPD will look more professional . As for plain cloths tactical officers , put them in uniform . Detectives should be rewuired to wear body armour under sport coat or in a custom vest or seater type cover.
7/23/2011 09:41:00 AM
Looking profesional is the most important concern. Not comfort or the ability to carry more equipment. Look good for the public. Put everyone in uniform. Forget crime just look good. THis is ridiculous
I have a great money making idea for the city. PUT ADVERTISEMENTS ON THOSE BLACK VEST COVERS! Why hide them. Take that silly POLICE decal off and start advertising for Pepsi, Coke, Domino Pizza, Starbucks, Uncle Remus Chicken etc. This will create lots of money for the city to piss away on worthless projects and maybe make criminals stop aiming their weapons at you while they read the ads.
"Rosa Young-Bey Williams..."
First hyphenated middle name I've heard.
When are they going to start on the first names?
"Lakeesha-LeDomona Betts-Morganfield Jones-Shabazz was found unresponsive under a back porch after having reportedly ingested a 40 oz. Steel Reserve mixed with 19 packets of Stanback Headache Powder."
"Jones-Shabazz had been scheduled to enter the University of California at Berkeley's Accelerated Program In Quantum Mechanics this fall."
You have this license to kill mindset Hardiman said.
...yeah, by the government of the united nations...
The real issue is that our uniform allowance is part of our salary and not a stipend to buy uniforms necessarily. I just bought a freaking vest cover and I'll be damned if I'm going to buy new gear at the whim of yet another uniform change. You'd think we have bigger fish to fry than senseless uniform changes, etc that have nothing to do with the lack of manpower and other policies that put the officers and citizens in danger. I cannot wait to retire. I just wish I had more time on so that date was like this year!
when I first started the job I wore the vest under my shirt and I can still remember how hot an sweaty it was to have it on under the shirt, I still remember some of the slob coppers who wore the blue vest cover with mustard and sweat stains all over it.
regarding the flood
1 dont go there while things are plgged in and the water is high
2 New water heater for sure
3 not sure about the insurance
Ass should be worn on head. All exempts lips on Mcarthys dick. All guns should have plastic rounds. Yea all of those tryin to change the uniforms never did a dam thing on the streets and those perfect uniforms are for them.
Signed: The Police
regarding the flood
Shut off the power BEFORE you go in the basement If the water is continuously deep enough to be touching things that are plugged in
The water heater and likely the furnace will have to be replaced
Sorry
Hey 07:59 PM combat veteran with almost 20 years experience......I have over 25 years experience working in shitholes throughout this city so go fuck yourself! Signed, not a fucking rookie
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
(OT) Just talked to my unit rep,he told me that mike shields is telling certain people that the free 55 and out medical will be history 01jan2013 truth or fiction? Hey Mike get you quiet ass out of that quiet room,and from behind the wheel of that fancy Lincoln we bought you and say something. At least Donohue spoke up at times kid your over your head! Please Mike submit a Par form and resign with your "family and friends" program for jobs before the audit and you go away for awhile!
7/23/2011 12:22:00 AM
True, it's OVER. That was the original agreement, and the City only agreed to honor it till 2012. Jan. 1, 2013, that song is over, most likely.
7/23/2011 05:17:00 PM
Ok Mikey boy shields anything on fop website with your answer quiet kid? Thought so talk about weak!
2 bosses 30 pending--- one of them is one of the toughest guys on this job--- if the department continues to sandbag working coppers nobody will be doing anything...
I think it looks stupid to see all these black vests especially now with the word POLICE emblazoned across the back.
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You're right. It should say FIRE DEPT. instead, that way they won't shoot at us.
Asshat.
The outside holster will carry a flower bouquet.
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That's some funny shit! Love the idea, especially if water squirts out when the shitheads come up close to smell them.
Anonymous said...
As for the 55 health insurance plan- whomever is referencing Mike Shields' knowing it will end in 2013- might be onto something.
Mayor Daley offers free health care coverage for officers 55+ until....Many people take advantage....
The Affordable Care Act funds small businesses, State and Local government to develop early retirement plan for 55 + worked....
Korshak decision is in 2013....
The City is forced to send out fliers explaining that the 55 health care is being funded by the Feds...
On the website for the Affordable health care, it is explained that the early retiree health care funding stops on 1 Jan 2014, when the state health care health care insurance go online.
Just saying- read everything carefully!
7/23/2011 09:51:00 PM
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Why oh why do you people want to stir the pot?
Korshak decision does not apply to anyone that is retiring under the new 55 and out FOP healthcare plan.
Read the Korshak decision before you make stupid comments about it.
EVERYONE'S health care is going to be affected by the Affordable health care plan!!!! Or Obama care if you want to call it that!
Hardiman said the police department needs to do a better job of communicating with inner-city youth.
He's right. We should teach them to dodge bullets better.
Asshat M*fcker.
So many of you think the system is so 'perfect' in dealing with everyone else, except when its a situation like Cozzi, or something like that. Here's some advice. It fucks up with others, just like it fucked up with him. Lifetime criminal record for low level offenses- in the absence of any other offenses over a long period of time- is the most counterproductive policy, ever.
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Retarded??? Dumbass. I had a family member commit a crime at 18 and go on to live a very successful life with wonderful family. (Yes, I disclosed it) Yet, that person did not take a gun, point it at another individual, and pull the trigger. Each case is different. Yet, when you intentionally try to kill another human being, you should have that on your record the rest of your life. Wow!!! I do understand the difference between commuted and pardoned. Quit drinking your latte and get out on the street and make a difference you liberal tard. It's difficult for people like you to understand, but us police officers went to college. Maybe not some of the old timers. But, their experience on the streets trumps your late night cramming sessions ten-fold. People like myself, who went to college and was able to discern the difference between liberal rants and actual truths, are far more based in reality. Sip your latte, sissy soldier.
You probably think that carbines are a good idea locked in the trunk so when, in the middle of a firefight, you need to run back and unlock it to use it to save your life.
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Realistically, you are not going to stop a firefight and go get your carbine anyway. It is going to be locked up somewhere. The trunk, a rifle rack, whatever. It is not going to be real handy.
Do you plan to take it with you when you go eat lunch? Or take a leak? If not, it won't be there when you need it.
While you can create an artficial scenario where having the rifle in the trunk is going to make a difference over it being someplace handier, in reality it won't.
In reality, chances are that rifle is never going to make any real difference. Again, you can create a higher unlikely scenario where it would, but would they have saved a single officer's life if they had been available? The answer is probably not.
They are not useful unless they are in hand. And no one is going to allow coppers to run around in Chicago carrying rifles on any regular basis.
They are useful as a means of projecting power, but that is a two edged sword that is best used in a very limited way.
Let a man out of jail and make it so he can't get a job if he wants to work and get himself straight, don't wonder why he does something drastic.
7/23/2011 05:46:00 PM
You are either a good guy or a bad guy. WE don't make you change your stripes. Do the crime, wear the stain.
7:25 am
I'm not making a comment about Korshak other than noting the curious timing of all these health care questions.
You, sir, should work on your reading comprehension. And maybe saving your anger and vitriol for our real enemies.
And my apologies for "health care health care" - dang IPhone and it's tiny keyboard- it should read 'health care insurance exchanges'.
end section 8.. im sick of these savages and their culture of garbage shove down our throat..
To the unpublished:
Nothing in this story hints at self defense. And neither does anything in her conviction - if she had pled self defense, this wouldn't have been an issue at all.
Shitcago, Crook County and illannoy are so fucked. They will just keep electing these liberal democrat pukes and nullifying the rest of the state that is normal. illannoy is doomed.
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