Sworn Limited Duty Program
This popped up all over the comment sections just prior to the weekend. After enjoying our holiday, we did a little research into and here's what we have found:
- Employee Resource Order #E03-01-03 was issued and takes effect on the first of the year;
- Convalescent Duty is out, done, vanished;
- To be placed in the "Limited Duty" status, you must be able to handle a gun; walk without the assistance of a cane, crutch, brace; be able to subdue an "active resister;" and drive a squad car;
This is not replacing the I.O.D. or Medical Roll. It seems to be more for long term recovery/long term illness people. The catch is that you are granted a total of 365 days on limited duty for your entire career. Once that's done, so is your career.
We've heard you have to apply for the "Limited Duty" status and if you don't make it, well...Back to the Beat with you. Discuss in this thread - we're sure we've missed something important.Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
279 Comments:
sworn members the rank of lieutenant and above are not eligible
does that mean they can have unlimited limited duty? or
they are automatically put on disability?
Wtf. How does this work? Don't we have a contract? I know its cliche but where is fop on this one. This effects peoples lives on iod from fighting with these savages........now your telling me if I get all fubar'd fighting with Joe I am screwed after 365 days. Unfucking real. Yet again fop is silent...........
" be able to subdue an active resister" ????? Define that one.
Alot of people with bad backs who seem to be able to carry several personal bags to 35th st will ne headed back to districts
this was mentioned in the December FOP meeting. They are planning a "past practice" grievance
if you can handle a gun, drive a squad car and subdue an active resister...why would you be on limited duty?
I may have read it wrong but I thought the 365 days was only if you were hurt off duty and not police related. I think if you were hurt on the job you are okay as long as you can complete the listed criteria.
You have to be kidding me. Why not interview a working Cop on the west side that answers shots fired calls all night long and walks through blood and brains at crime scenes ? To me thats the real law enforcement in the second city.
12/25/2011 02:07:00 PM
You should walk around them, not through them. Who are you Garry McCarthy?
Can't blame the city for this, I blame all the lazy pieces of shit that fake injuries so that they don't have to come to work. We all know at least one that falls down and fakes a back injury so he can have the summer off. True the city screws us over too but sometimes we re our own worst enemy.
This is horrible! What about those people who'd like to work, suffering from cancer, orthopedic surgery, bad accidents, AND who did not do this on duty?
Four words... Americans With Disabilities Act.
What about pregnant P.O.s?
NO! You are not misinterpreting this at all SCC. It says exactly what you think it says. No more sissies on the job! That's how we did it on the NYPD and the NPD (New Jersey edition). Toughen up you bitches. That's why crime was running rampant in your city before I got here. Because you are all a bunch of sissies! Oh, and by the way, only Un-American sissies play rugby. Real American men play football! (Not flag football though, that's kind of sissy)
it sounds like discrimination against a person with disabilities--- we all know that the police department is trying to get more " bang for the buck " but they have to realize that police officers are hurt everyday fighting with resistors and assailants---
This is exactly what it says. You have 1 year to recover. This does not include IOD. If after 1 year you cannot return to full duty you will be placed on pension disability. The police can screw anything up and they did again with all the medical abuse that has gone on for years. Too many officers that refuse to return to work. Is it fair? No. Is it warranted? Yes. Any other employer has much more stringent rules. The city's relaxed policy was great until the abusers ruined it.
Anonymous said...
Ot .....Has anyone heard about or seen the supposed new G.O. that says starting January 1st we now only get 365 days of medical for our entire career? Don't we have a contract?
Good that's how it should be way to many dogs. If you don't like Chicago or this job why did you take the test? Leave now no one is putting a gun to your head to stay on this job. Leave and go find another job
At this time with the economy the way it is. Be happy for what you got. Stop the bitching.
12/25/2011 02:57:00 AM
You pathetic stroke. How about the "dog" who has a brain tumor and needs life saving brain surgery and time to recover? Is he a dog? That was me, I sure appreciate the time I got to rehab. Damn tumor infested dogs you might think.
How about the "dog" who gets in a bad car accident and breaks his neck and needs a year to even get back to walking.
That wasn't me but was a friend. Another guy is riddled with cancer, Stage 4. Is he a dog? Tell that to his wife and 4 year old daughter.
There are more but you would be too fucking stupid to understand there are people all around you with legitimate injuries and illnesses.
I have a better idea, how about ridding the job of strokes like you?
You are one jackoff I would actually enjoy see getting sick, and when your year on medical and year on limited duty is over, I would volunteer to drive you to personnel to turn your stuff in.
And then you can figure out for yourself what to do next.
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Hey goof I'm talking abou the dog who will go on the medical fr anything. When it comes to iod anytime there is hands on that sane old dog is filling out an iod report for somthing nonsense. Then goes on iod. But yet you see the same people dropping off kids at school, at the gum working out, picking up grocerys, ect.... I'm sorry that I cant stand dogs and people that don't appreciate this job. These same people are going to ruin iod and the medical for people like you who really need it. I take pride in on not going on the medical. If I have to get dental work done or have a little cold I take comp time. I'm sorry but that's how I was raised. Remember again stop bitching about one of the greatest jobs in the world. If you don't like it then get the f outta here. Peace merry Christmas to all even the dogs bark bark
What crap!
I pray not to get hurt, but if I suffer an IOD injury, I guarantee it will involve a lengthy recovery period. Fuck Rahm, let him hire more police. And fuck that pony who rode into town after him, McShit-faced.
12/25/2011 02:55:00 PM
Sad the way people on this department think. Wheres your honor dignity. I no rahm and mcshitty are assholes. But this is not the way to do things. I have way to much pride in myself to hold out on an iod. We need eachother in this time. God bless and to alll stay safe
Retired blue shirt
........To be placed in the "Limited Duty" status, you must be able to handle a gun; walk without the assistance of a cane, crutch, brace; be able to subdue an "active resister;" and drive a squad car;........
There are people on this job that can't subdue an active resister,or even a passive resister. But this order doesn't make sense. If you have to apply for limited duty and there is something wrong with you..... well, don't apply for it and just stay on the medical.
365 days and that's it? During a possible, gulp, 30+ year career? I'm all for getting rid of dead weight. We are hired to be Police Officers and not office workers. But, to keep track of limited duty time like that is bad news. I came on this job knowing there is good coverage for you (if you need it).
Anyway, doesn't this have to be negotiated into our contract?
What next? Euthanasia? Just put the cops to sleep if they can't measure up. This will also save on pension cost. Will this also apply to civilian workers in City Hall? Put them all to sleep and bring in new folks. I am sure Alderfools have plenty of pals and family to take care of.
I think it's a great idea and LONG overdue. Nearly every Light Duty officer I have ever encountered is on some serious bullshit. In Area 5 we are OVERRUN with light duty female police officers. One can't carry gun because of some obscure bullshit reason, but she sure can BOWL at cops for kids every year and since she is in the detective division as a P.O. she gets 7A and 13B furloughs EVERY year and doesn't even have 15 years on the job. She has been LIGHT DUTY for the eight years I have been in Area 5 and I have seen her bowl, play softball, volleyball and other activities.
Our Light Duty Desk female P.O. has also been on light duty for years, as well as our female P.O. timekeeper, and three other female P.O.s assigned to Area 5.
In my opinion if it's not a duty related injury GET BACK TO WORK or GET OFF THE JOB. As a matter of fact three of our LIGHT DUTY police officers have stated they are going to make a "Miraculous Recovery" when this order goes into effect.
I know there will many of you against my post, but in the "real world" people don't get paid the full benefits and full salary of their co-workers who are DOING THE JOB THEY ARE SUPPOSED DO.
I say get rid of all of them. Nothing but a bunch of scammers.
What about pregnant P.O.s?
when the medical section is given a doctors note confirming pregnancy they remain fullduty (it used to be "automatic" convalescent duty)...so now they work "full duty"- often at district desks with no gun- even when in an oversized uniform.....gone are the lengthy pre and post pregnancy light duty status---get a doctors note for 6 months of light duty and in two babies you've exhausted it all ----365 medical roll days within a two year period are still available....and there are Plenty of males who use multiple incidents of light duty status- so its not an anti-female thing.
Im not suprised....at the same time we have p.o's who are on medical for what ever BS reasons and cant be around others but wait..all your friends see your daily posts on facebook about who and what your doing...yea..your friends talk too..im sure every district has em...
See there you guys go again thinking that we have laws and contracts and papers that are in writing with signatures on them that protect us.
Pay attention.
Once upon a time about ten years ago Jefferson County, Ala needed a new sewer system.
To pay for that sewer system the county sold all these bonds to investors.
A huge scandal involving bribes and all kind on frauds shortly followed -- big banks of course are involved with the bonds and it was discovered that the people were charged more than twice the cost for this sewer system.
To make a long story short. Today the county can't afford it. They are bankrupt...
And here's the PAY ATTENTION PART.
The bond holders had the impression that the bonds were as safe as US Treasuries.
The bond holders thought that the bonds were backed by the "full faith and credit" of the municipality.
Heh...well guess what?
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Bankruptcy Filing Raises Doubts About a Bond Repayment Pledge
People who own what is considered the safest type of municipal bond may be in for a surprise.
This safe debt, called a general-obligation bond, is said to be the next strongest thing to Treasuries because it is backed by a “full faith and credit” pledge. That means the government that issued it will pay it on time, no matter what.
But now Jefferson County, Ala., has stopped paying such debt, breaking with convention and setting up a fundamental test of what full faith and credit truly means.
“We all want to know, ‘What’s the truth here?’ ” said Richard A. Ciccarone, chief research officer at McDonnell Investment Management. “The way I learned it, full faith and credit was considered all the taxing power of a community, and that means there’s an infinite pledge. When you get into bankruptcy court, truth is something that can be revealed in a new way.”
more >> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/24/business/in-alabama-a-test-of-the-full-faith-and-credit-pledge-to-repay-bonds.html?_r=3&pagewanted=1&nl=todaysheadlines&emc=tha25
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Guy's they've done it to the mortgages. They've done it with the constitution. They're done it with city ordinances. They will do it to the pension in a minute. Just look at the track record.
Think about what we're fighting to protect and who we serve?Is this what we want for our kids and grand kids? This? Words and promises that mean nothing?
GMAC@NJOL.ORG said...
....... No more sissies on the job! That's how we did it on the NYPD and the NPD (New Jersey edition). Toughen up you bitches. ............rampant in your city before I got here. Because you are all a bunch of sissies! Oh, and by the way, only Un-American sissies play rugby. Real American men play football! (Not flag football though, that's kind of sissy)
12/26/2011 02:34:00 AM
On with the cricket match...
If you can do these things why are you not full duty?
Does not include IOD and it does not include medical !!!!
It is ONLY for light duty NON IOD !!!
Sky isn't falling
When you are young on this job, you never think that these types of situations will happen to you. But it does.
The past exempt members of this department are to blame for this new order. Because they allowed so many annointed clouted ones to get away with being carried as limited duty or convalescent duty for entire careers hidden in those inside spots, where nobody knew nor cared if those special ones ever came to work.
As always in CPD, the exempt got theirs and thats all they cared about, so now FU.
I just wonder who will be the first to challenge this order, because there are alot of loopholes worth challenging. Remember we have idiots writing this crap, and one D. Kirby gave the final legal blessing.
First, why don't we ever hear a word from our new union anymore. They sure were making a lot of noise when they were running. Seems they all but disappeared.
For all you goofs cheering this on, you won't be young and healthy forever. You're stupid for thinking this is a good thing. But you'll see when you get sick with cancer or some other illness or the horrible back problems that come with this job.
FOP had been warning about changes such as these for a number of years now. Before I pulled the plug this February, they held informational discussions at 35th Street about how the Department and the City were pushing this issue over the past three years at least. Although I'm certain it was not known that it was going to take this particular form, the intent all along was to force folks either back on the street in a full-duty status or into disablity/retirement (the latter status only provides you with 75 percent of your salary, is dependent upon your time of service to determine how many years you receive the payments before it ends and you are forced into retirement status). It's a shame that they included those who were legitimately injured or became ill in an on-duty status.
What is frightening is that FOP never suggested that it would affect everyone - especially those who were IOD. In many instances 365 days for recovery is NOT enough time. Obviously it depends on the nature of the injury, but some of the stuff we have encountered each and every day and the potential for a catastrophic injury that is slow healing (if it fully heals at all) requires much more than a mere year for recovery. If you "rush" back to work, based on the parameters the Department is using, you run the risk of re-injuring yourself or causing yourself permanent damage.
One of the saving factors of working this job was that if you were to be injured while performing your duties, you need not worry about rushing to fully recover from that injury. Do you think anyone is going to go out there and bust their ass knowing that a bad injury could result in their financial ruin and that of their families? I doubt it.
I would have thought that FOP would be all over this. Instead it appears that they just went along with what the City and the Department wanted.
I guess all this whining from politicians and an ungrateful public about police "benefits" and a "liberal" medical policy has finally taken it's toll. The onus is on financial accountablity (which is hypocritical and even comical coming from politicians who waste public funds for their own financial enhancement and personal gain). They are getting their pound of flesh and it is going to have an even more negative effect on the morale and fibre of the Department, consequences that they never anticipated or will be able to handle.
And you think the debacle about failing to find a competent and supportive police superintendent has been a major factor in the overall decline of the Department. Just give this bag of crap a little time to ripen and see what happens . . .
If this order only refers to injuries or illness that are not job/duty related then DISREGARD my earlier post in regard to the 365 day limit. If this is primarily aimed at forcing non-duty related medical issues back to work within a prescribed period of time, then there is little to be said.
While acknowledging that coppers get sick or are injured off-duty, and you would hope that the medical policy we had in place would continue to be extended as a perk, some coppers abused the policy. Had the medical policy not been abused to the point where it became public and obvious advantage was taken by some coppers who were able bodied but wanted to ride the system, then this thing would not have been changed to the current policy.
Coppers can be their own worse enemy. For the sake of the Department I can somewhat understand that changes need to be made, albeit not quite as drastic. Nevertheless, it is going to be hard for guys that are legitimately ill and need more time to recover.
Given the current political climate, the negative opinion the public has of the Department and the fiscal reality that is this city, I doubt if there will be much give on this. The Department is going to have to swallow this one.
You have to be kidding me. Why not interview a working Cop on the west side that answers shots fired calls all night long and walks through blood and brains at crime scenes ? To me thats the real law enforcement in the second city.
u serious... lol walking thru blood and brains. sounds like you havent had a crime scene before mr working police.....
If you can walk, shoot, drive and chase a bad guy - you are a full duty police officer, no?
This limited definition makes no sense.
Hey 351AM:
Are you gonna burn your own time when your kidneys and bladder fails from consuming too much 35th Street Koolaide?? YOU ARE AN IDIOT to burn your own time for legit illnesses/ailments. Are you one of the disillusioned hopefuls that think maybe you'll be noticed for being the quintessential "Company Man"? Maybe a merit bump up the CPD food chain for always being willing to "take one for the team"?
Newsflash, jackass!! You'll never be a true leader because you've been brainwashed into submission. And you display it with self-righteous fervor here in a public forum and undoubtedly in the flesh as well. Although you DO seem cut from the same cloth as most present-day CPD STUPIDvisors.....which is why this job is circling the shitter. I bet you wouldn't drop a slip if your lunch was denied and you'd donate your time if you stayed an hour overtime on a late pinch, too, right? Dummy.
Congrats, Mr. I'm-Making-A-Difference. You burn those 3-5 days after a root canal or better yet, return to work in pain against the doctors orders. I'll be home relaxing on Vicodin catching up with shows on the DVR and saving my hours for extending my furlos to spend time with my family.
Every Summer, our next door neighbor (who lived and worked in 016) hurt his back while on duty. One evening my wife and I (both police)were enjoying a cocktail on our deck. She looked next door and saw our IOD neighbor with a weight belt on installing air-conditioners on the second floor of his home. We decided it was some sort of new therapy he was doing. Miraculously, he was back to work after Labor Day - A Miracle!!!
It is too bad a that a small percentage of people DESTROY things for the rest of us. LR and DD what are you going to do now? I am sure come up with more bullshit or go to a 7th Dr. after the first 6 could not fins anything wrong you POS!
Anonymous said...
Ot .....Has anyone heard about or seen the supposed new G.O. that says starting January 1st we now only get 365 days of medical for our entire career? Don't we have a contract?
Good that's how it should be way to many dogs. If you don't like Chicago or this job why did you take the test? Leave now no one is putting a gun to your head to stay on this job. Leave and go find another job
At this time with the economy the way it is. Be happy for what you got. Stop the bitching.
12/25/2011 02:57:00 AM
You idiot. The dogs will get theirs in the end. They are the cost of doing business and they are in every profession. Ruining this benefit to catch a few dogs is retarded--God forbid something catastrophic happens to you--or your partner. You'll be singing a different tune. Deal with the abusers by making them personnel concerns or shit assignments. You're thinking is illogical.
>>>Anonymous said...
What next? Euthanasia? Just put the cops to sleep if they can't measure up. This will also save on pension cost. Will this also apply to civilian workers in City Hall? Put them all to sleep and bring in new folks. I am sure Alderfools have plenty of pals and family to take care of.
12/26/2011 04:25:00 AM<<<
Euthanasia, no I was planning to be put out to stud myself.
Whatever happens with this new policy will be the fault of one group.....medical abusers. It was only a matter of time. Want an example? Sgt Cynthia Moore-Powell. About 25 years OTJ, 12 years on the medical and bullshit IOD's. 12 fucking years. Look it up. More examples? Bullshit back injuries. Squad car gets tapped in a rear end accident, adios PO for 12 months, come back to light duty, complain about having to sit in a chair at the desk, get 6 more months off on a re-occurance of IOD. Laughable. More? Guys who conveniently get hurt right about the time that their kid starts his baseball, basketball or football season. Can't work, but CAN hit infield practice, or coach the basketball team, or stand on a blocking sled. And no real enforcement against abusers. Medical integrity unit? HA! Those useless fucks couldn't find their ass with both hands. They don't want to find anyone. That's a can of worms that the city and department does NOT want to open, because that will find out (by group) who the biggest offenders are. Give me ten people who are as pissed at abusers as I am, 10 good video cameras, and I'll end that shit in 6 months.
I agree wholeheartedly with some posters here. There are coppers who are cancer or heart patients or that have other bonafide medical issues and they need the medical. Sadly, they will lose it because of abusers.
On the other hand there are posters in this thread who proudly state that they will jump right on board the abuser wagon. THOSE are the people who will (I mean have) ruined it.
In the same way that coppers ruined restaurants and businesses the used to be friendly to us, coppers have ruined and will continue to ruin the medical.
Thank you one and all.
if you can handle a gun, drive a squad car and subdue an active resister...why would you be on limited duty?
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I agree. What's the point?
".... Anonymous said...
if you can handle a gun, drive a squad car and subdue an active resister...why would you be on limited duty?
(12/26/2011 12:25:00 AM)
Yes, that's right...why is someone who refuses to accomplish these mandatory feats be allowed to be a police officer, collect a check & "duty availability". We even see full duty officers unable to perform these functions.
Now I ax' you.... Who's going to be left to answer the phone in the front office, citations, caps, & review???? And what will we do with all those empty chairs?
o.t.
I dont know if anyone is paying attention to this, but some of the new owners of the chicago sun-times are Rahm's cronies...you can only guess whats not going to be reported now.
Can't blame the city for this, I blame all the lazy pieces of shit that fake injuries so that they don't have to come to work. We all know at least one that falls down and fakes a back injury so he can have the summer off. True the city screws us over too but sometimes we re our own worst enemy.
12/26/2011 12:39:00 AM
....and what did WE do to these Medical Roll abusers? Nothing.
There was a day when the Medical abusers would be treated like the pariah they were. Shunned at roll call, slow back up and abuse every turn. The abuser were treated like the lying scum they were. You were afraid to abuse it. There were consequences.
Some time around 10 or 15 years ago, things started to change. You had people we knew were out right stealing by taking Medical time, and nobody said a thing. YOUR rights being abused and they were treated like every one else. In fact, if a boss got on them, the boss got vilified.
No more consequences. Forgiveness for all.... and here we are. Just like we knew it would happen. take a look at the Country too. Same thing is going on. It's time to say something. No, it's past time.
So the officers that I know that were hard workers and did their jobs for 20+ and now have serious heart problems, diabetes, back problems, MS, cancer, etc. are now being shoved out? I get that many people abuse the system. Pick on them. To go after someone who dedicated their entire life to the department and was a great officer close to retirement is ridiculous. They deserve the seats at the desk, call-back, etc where they are needed and still useful. Kick the 3 year princesses scared of the street out of the desk spots and put them there. This is really upsetting to me. Hope I am completely healthy when I am older or I see how this department will treat me.
Any other employer has much more stringent rules.
true , but any other employer and whether in the private sector or not GIVES THEIR EMPLOYEES fair raises of 3- 5% , unless you work for the fucking mayor and or alderman who in this case give/gave their employees 5- 11% raises
If I have to get dental work done or have a little cold I take comp time. I'm sorry but that's how I was raised.
WOW! As I read this I thought I started hearing pipes in the back ground playing The Battle Hymn of the Republic.
Thank you Mr. Douglas. All the Eb's on this department owe you one!
/sarcasm
Hey mcstupid thanks for your email address.
If you work for 30 years this works out to just a bit over 12 days per year.
The civilians at least can carry over their 12 days they get each year!
This is worse than that civilian benefit.
HELLO FOP - Is anyone listenting.
Considering pregnancy is 10 months....are women only allowed to have one child if they want to keep their job?
Good so if God forbid I get a long term illness and do all the required medical treatments and Drs say I cannot work full capacity as a PO and city fires me I will be a very rich man.
There is a woman in our district that believes the department medical coverage is 365 days for each and every body part. She has more time on the medical than at her limited duty spot. With more body parts to go!!!!
To check department directives online or to study for the next sergeant's exam that will NEVER happen, GO TO:
http://directives.
chicagopolice.org/
directives/
I check on them everyday to see when the department will fuck us with it's new programs that will take away "out of grade" pay.
All the more reason to quit fighting with these shit heads. Answer your calls and do the bare minimum. Don't do anything proactive and put your and your partner's safety above everything else. Let this city and the citizens start fending for themselves. Give them the police department they've always wanted. Until they start appreciating the police and taking better care of the officers that are keeping them safe everyday, that's the best way to play it. Why risk your health when the city, the department, and the citizens are so willing to just discard you like a piece of trash if you get hurt? This job is ruined and it's time for self preservation mode. The way we're headed, I don't know how they're ever going to hire anybody to do this shit in the future.
This might be the dumbest order I have seen on this dept in the 18 years I have been a member. Should an officer be able to do all the things required to be light duty why would said officer be light duty????? Why doesn't the dept just say no light duty???
I think this order will come to bight the CPD right in the ass. I have been on what was called convalescent duty before. I had surgery and was told by my doctor I couldn't work the street. The doctor gave me a note detailing what kind of surgery I had along with the date I could return to work and what date I could return to full duty. I was off for 3 weeks. I worked the desk for 3 weeks. Then I returned to full duty. I would not be allowed under this new order to work the desk for 3 weeks. The CPD would have lost me for 6 weeks instead of 3. The last time I checked 6 weeks is longer than 3 weeks.
I understand the CPD doesn't want anyone on permanent light duty. We have an army of do nothings who are scared of their own shadows on permanent light duty.
I truly think the FOP will sue and win this one. The FOP will say the CPD has to show a reason for the change and the city won't have a legit reason. The city will say the medical has abusers. The FOP will counter and say show us an abuser and fire that officer, we have no problem with that. The city never catches the true dog asses. The city's medical integrity unit gets an easy mover now and then from an officer who doesn't use the medical much. The medical integrity unit never gets the professional dog. The pro dog is too smart.
What about pregnant P.O.s?
12/26/2011 01:27:00 AM
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Good question.
What about the ones that will get pregnant at least 5 times over their careers.
Won't that eat up 365 days?
Wish I could be pissed about, but I aint. I've seen too many dog asses riding the medical. While others and me are out here busting our ass. I know a certain south side, female who's literally spent more than half her 23 plus years on the medical. Yet, somehow, she's been promoted TWICE! Sgt C.M.P.
active resister, is that a runner?
The earlier post guy was RIGHT, BLAME THE SICK, LAME & LAZY FAKERS !!!!!
THEY HAVE RUINED IT FOR ALL THOSE WHO ARE LEGIT 111
Lieutenants have not had " light duty" for many years, probably stopped sometime in early 90's. Stopped that is for the unconnected and the unclouted. And, they did not receive any suuport from the Lieutenant's association under O'Neil. Many people outside of the department are amazed at the medical time and light duty of this department, something that few if any other police departments offer.
How bout the pregnant x-stripper in 020 that gets taken care of..she'll be going to 311 soon!
GOOD!
You can thank all the lazy shitbird officers that spend their whole career trying not to do any type of police work fro this one
Hmmm. I guess before I chase down that dude who just beat the shit out of his wife I better think about my owne self.
Anonymous said...
Four words... Americans With Disabilities Act.
12/26/2011 01:24:00 AM
Two words: "Reasonable accomodations."
Unfortunately, a female officer in a south side has been c/d for non related issues for over 3/4's of her 18+yr career.
The last several years she was off work being paid.
She came back on full duty, that's the only way the dept would let her back on. She swore for God she could work full duty. They let her back on and she showed up last summer and told the watch cmdr she can't work the street, her dr will have the paperwork to the medical section within 10 days. She basically lied and beat the system. Now she's back c/d working the radio room and doing absolutely nothing. Thats why the city pulled the trigger on everyone, it's just to bad legitimate c/d officers have to take a hit because of this bullshit!
It is common in private industry for employees to carry and pay for disability insurance. usually the employer pays part of short term insurance and pays no part of the long term insurance. If you are too sick to work, you8 receive a portion of your pay, but not all of your pay until you come back to work. I see nothing wrong with bringing this to the CPD for those who are sick or those injured off duty. Check into other police departments and you will see that NO ONE offers what the city offers the CPD for off duty sickness and injury. We have had way too many fakers over the years, falling out of chairs, slipping on steps. You can find these people off duty sking, shoveling snow, bowling and dancing.
Don't forget, the city cannot place you on pension disability. The pension system is seperate from the department. What the city states is your status does not automatically carry over to the pension fund. You have to apply for non-duty disability and be granted that from the pension fund.
How long do you carry a cop at full pay/etc, in a position when they are never going to be able to return to full duty? That is exactly what a disability pension is for in my opinion.
But it needs to be examined and applied fairly to everyone. It is a tough call. Look at a smaller department and see how it affects them also having an officer taking up a position.
Hate to say it, but it might be the best thing to do in most cases....sounds harsh though.
How about a pregnant female? Can't subdue an active resister while 5,6,7,8 months pregnant so then what? And before all of you start with your female bashing I'm a male PO and we all know there are males on this Job that couldn't get out of a wet paper bag and shouldn't be the police either. Skip the BS, I'm simply making a point
This is exactly what it says. You have 1 year to recover. This does not include IOD. If after 1 year you cannot return to full duty you will be placed on pension disability. The police can screw anything up and they did again with all the medical abuse that has gone on for years. Too many officers that refuse to return to work. Is it fair? No. Is it warranted? Yes. Any other employer has much more stringent rules. The city's relaxed policy was great until the abusers ruined it.
Very well said, check out the Northside districts with all the abusers in all ranks of the department.
why is this such a problem???? this isnt a nursing home, i see plenty of people who are limited duty who are a hell of a lot more healthy than me, they can sit in a car and answer calls just as well as i can. as far as cancer and all that, thats what disability is for.
This is a fair policy,face the reality! I am personally tired of having a radio handed to me by some coward who gets patrolman's salary because his hand was sticking out of a window holding a cigar, when it was hit by another vehcile. That is the extent of the "alleged" injury that has put one officer in 023 on perpetual light duty. This goof is 7 years younger than me and in far better shape. Yet because of his bogus injury, he gets special treatment. He should have gotten a CR with his injury because smoking is not authorized in CPD vehicles, but that is a separate issue. The fact is that we have a lot of phonies hiding on these special situations. Take the disability or hit the street; remember, most of these guys and gals are cry babies and cowards who wouldn't show up for your 10/1 if they were on the street. If SCC wants to do a service to CPD, solicit stories on how some of these mopes got their status. When you hear the outrageous stories and lies that got some of these guys and gals on special duty; it will boggle your mind and embarass you that they are still on the job, and holding out for the next promotional exam. And when that exam comes, they will have an advantage because they will be studying for it on company time in the station, while you are out on the street. These phony injuries are the next best thing to having clout!
This demonsrates another problem with the dept- vague orders. Dummy this nonsense down in plain English and offer an example. No, I'm not stupid or hairjel, but come on- many orders are so vague and open to interpretation that NO ONE really knows what they really intend.... This one should simply read "officers have 365 days for a single non iod issue before they are terminated. For instance, lifelong illnesses are limited to missing 365 total career days of work before termination or disability " is that so hard to write?
I worked light duty for awhile, "multiple operations", while there were a few dogs most of these guys "and most were guys", who had serious illnesses, injuries, heart attacks, broken backs, strokes.....ect
Most were older and were desperately trying to hang on and do something positive while still putting food on the table and building towards a retirement.
But coppers, in general, are assholes who always feel the need to take out their frustrations by bad mouthing others and finding people they can place "lower" then they themselves. Thus the tag on the sick and injured.
Pssst! you young dumbasses! This is a patronage clout job! There will always be a soft spot for a clout copper who gets hurt or sick. For the rest of you 28yo know it alls your time is coming. It only takes one accident, one sickness, and you'll end up on the street begging too.
And then you'll see if anyone gives a shit about the pinches you made or the job you did.
does that mean they can have unlimited limited duty? or
they are automatically put on disability?
It means they are not allowed, nor have they ever been allowed, a limited duty status. Unlike the patrolmen and sergeants, Lts were never allowed to sit around on convalescent duty. Lts get sick or hurt and they go on the medical. When their medical time is used up they either come back full duty or leave the job.
Now, with this order POs and Sgts have to come back full duty or leave the job after burning up their medical AND THEIR 1 YR OF LIMITED DUTY. Still a better deal than the Lts get.
IOD and medical are secure at this point. This Department has too many lazy officers who only drive to a scene after "the workers" have done the heavy lifting. 365 days seems ample for an off-duty injury. Let's not react as though disability means "no pay." WTF! Do u really believe that ANY employer is obligated to continue to pay us full salary, forever, regardless of our ability to perform the function that we were hired to do??? Wake-up and talk with the lonely insurance guy sitting outside the roll-call room just in case something bad happens. The Sup's playbook is pretty clear. He's previously stated that he can not justify hiring new officers when he currently has an organization that's not operating efficiently. Translation.....too many officers that are comfortable coming to work and doing next to nothing. Some of my coworkers won't even back you up on a street/traffic stop. Stay tuned for PES changes, GPS tracking (milking jobs), watch commander control and accountablity as well as beat officer accountability. I hope he weeds out all of the deadweight. Retire, resign or stay and take pride in your work. Policing is serious business and things go bad really quick. If u don't think so, go to 007,011 or 015 or just take a look at all of the badges in the display case at HQ. We must serve and protect each other!
Wtf. How does this work? Don't we have a contract? I know its cliche but where is fop on this one. This effects peoples lives on iod from fighting with these savages........now your telling me if I get all fubar'd fighting with Joe I am screwed after 365 days. Unfucking real. Yet again fop is silent...........
No, actually if your limited due to an IOD you get duty disability. Unless of course its some BS scam like spraining your finger trying to open the car door in the cold or another of the hundreds of abuse scams I've seen dogs pull over the years. Then the board might call BS on ya.
it sounds like discrimination against a person with disabilities--- we all know that the police department is trying to get more " bang for the buck " but they have to realize that police officers are hurt everyday fighting with resistors and assailants---
12/26/2011 03:05:00 AM
Sorry, but a broken leg or a sprained back is not considered a "disability." If an "injury" or "illness" creates a permanent disability, well, then that's what "disability retirement" is for.
" be able to subdue an active resister" ????? Define that one.
BANG!
Forget Limited Duty, Medical Roll is better.
2011 04:23:00 AM
Anonymous said...
What next? Euthanasia? Just put the cops to sleep if they can't measure up. This will also save on pension cost. Will this also apply to civilian workers in City Hall? Put them all to sleep and bring in new folks. I am sure Alderfools have plenty of pals and family to take care of.
12/26/2011 04:25:00 AM
Civilians receive 12 days a year which is around 365 days for 30 years. When you are faced with very limited medical time, you would be surprised how you will work instead of using the medical.
Ask yourself this question: how man officers do you know that have been on light duty for years but seem to live a healthy life? Forget those that have cancer, heart attacks, life treatening illness?I am talking about those with hidden bullshit limitations? They have to explain to everyone what is wrong with them every day? Your time has come. Work or leave.
Just get an event number and you will be fine!
Wtf. How does this work? Don't we have a contract? I know its cliche but where is fop on this one. This effects peoples lives on iod from fighting with these savages........now your telling me if I get all fubar'd fighting with Joe I am screwed after 365 days. Unfucking real. Yet again fop is silent...........
12/26/2011 12:13:00 AM
Hey Dumdum, learn to read. It does not include IOD's. For God's sake, learn to read you idiot, before you go flying off the handle. Or get yourself some meds.
Anonymous said...
Wtf. How does this work? Don't we have a contract? I know its cliche but where is fop on this one. This effects peoples lives on iod from fighting with these savages........now your telling me if I get all fubar'd fighting with Joe I am screwed after 365 days. Unfucking real. Yet again fop is silent...........
12/26/2011 12:13:00 AM
IOD is in the contract and we are covered for duty related injury etc. Off duty is not. Insurance companies will be coming around to sell disability insurance. It you cannot retire it will pay to get a disability policy.
Anonymous said...
this was mentioned in the December FOP meeting. They are planning a "past practice" grievance
12/26/2011 12:23:00 AM
If FOP grieves it or takes it to court, we will lose. Every police union in the country that tried to litigate this has lost.
Anonymous said...
" be able to subdue an active resister" ????? Define that one.
12/26/2011 12:20:00 AM
Put a bullet into a jagoff would work.
There is 1 PO who brags about being on light duty, with an inside spot, for over 15 years. He surely appears to be able to work the street. These are the people they are going after. The scammers with doctors that write bullshit reasons that they can't do certain activities. This is a long time comming. This has absolutely nothing to do with being IOD.
Private disability insurance. We will have to insure ourselves for non duty related injuries or illness.
This is the best news of the new year 2012 all those lazy do nothing cops who are on limited duty for bull shit i totally agree is u can work the streets find a new jobs working as a secretary .
Good that's how it should be way to many dogs. If you don't like Chicago or this job why did you take the test? Leave now no one is putting a gun to your head to stay on this job. Leave and go find another job
At this time with the economy the way it is. Be happy for what you got. Stop the bitching.
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You my friend are an ass bag supreme! So guys like Jimmy Cordero in 025 who has been fighting cancer for the last three years, or Lupe Pena in 015 who was at death's door should get screwed over because the city wants to put this policy in place??
Let this try to pass. How they can get this past the ADA will be amazing. Nothing against Joe Murphy, but how many years has he been wheelchair bound and a commander now? How come this new order won't affect him or any other Lt's & above??
Dont be so sure about IOD not being included. Even now you only have 365 days of IOD or go on disability and even with any reoccurence it is only 365 days total for both the IOD and IOD reoccrence
If Im reading it right, we are talking about the officers who come back and work light duty for 8 or 9 years. It does not effect officers who are off due to catrastropic (sic) injuries or sickness. Nor does it effect the dogs who take 2 and 3 days at a time. It only goes after officers who try to collect full pay for not working the streets.
"active resister" ... fine give me a taser and he won't be active anymore.
Good! Hope it works because there a few of those weasels in 023(one female now faking it at call back)who get taken care of in inside spots for years doing nothing when we all know there is nothing wrong with them. Next they need to go after the ones who take a year off on the mediacal with the fake back injuries. 023 has them too.
12 sick days a year for 30 years= 360 days
Hey goof I'm talking abou the dog who will go on the medical fr anything. When it comes to iod anytime there is hands on that sane old dog is filling out an iod report for somthing nonsense. Then goes on iod. But yet you see the same people dropping off kids at school, at the gum working out, picking up grocerys, ect.... I'm sorry that I cant stand dogs and people that don't appreciate this job. These same people are going to ruin iod and the medical for people like you who really need it. I take pride in on not going on the medical. If I have to get dental work done or have a little cold I take comp time. I'm sorry but that's how I was raised. Remember again stop bitching about one of the greatest jobs in the world. If you don't like it then get the f outta here. Peace merry Christmas to all even the dogs bark bark
You are an idiot. You would rather use you own time than hit the medical for a legitimate reason? News flash for you, no one is patting you on the back but yourself. Talk to us when you get a bad beef and get suspended. You're so quick to give up the time you think you earned by being the "real" police? See how you feel when the department tries to take all they can from you. Who are you to judge what these other people do on the medical? If someone sprained their support wrist and can't shoot with two hands for a while you think they shouldn't be able to pick up their kids or work out other muscles at the gym? Who put you in charge of determining who is a "dog" or abuser? Do you have access to people's medical records? Let me guess, you also believe everything on the news? You are the problem with this job. Too many guys nowadays looking out for themselves and quick to turn your back on fellow coolers. You don't even realize that by giving some up you open the door for it to come down on every one. Are there abusers? Sure, but I'll take the abusers any day to protect my guys and girls and maybe myself one day and know that if I stumble on some misfortune, I won't have to worry about paying my bills or my family's because I can't go to work. This is why wr have no strength in a collective voice. Have you ever gotten out of a ticket or done something technically illegal but gotten out of it because of a professional courtesy? Would that make you an abuser?
Convelescent Duty has never come up at the Meetings,
The city in fact is trying to make LIMITED DUTY NON IOD , capped to 365 days in your career.
Once your 365 days of limited duty comes up you either go full duty or your done being a Chicago Police officer.
From the FOP stand point we will most likely loss this to the arbirtator ( two other cities have won this already ) , but the union will be filling a greivance with the fact of PAST PRATICES.
What about the goofy girl who "bumped" her knee falling of a bike on duty and found a doctor to cover for her and brags about it? Since she scammed the dept. "on duty" she gets away with it while people with cancer have to get lost. I sure hope that proclaimed atheist is proud of herself.
long time coming. It might not be right but the coppers on this department can abuse just about anything... from a resturant giving 2 dollars off lunch to a wonderful think like the medical system. good work dogs. You scammed the system long enough.. now, get to work or stay at home.
This is just tip of the iceberg people wake up!!! Part of it sounds good for the fakers on the job, if they adjust it somehow for people with real illnesses (cancer etc) and make them exempt then this could be alot easier to swallow.
28 Years of service and this is the first time in my career NO Pax 501 Holiday Message.
That should of been labeled "WEST SIDE DANNY SAYS"
I had CA and wore a mechanical device. I was VERY fortunate to keep my job but on limited duty. However, I saw many desk jockies that were there only because of clout. If you're legit, you should'nt worry.
What if you get into a car accident and it goes over a year on medical by the time you recover from surgery how does that work? Non iod related the accident happened off duty.
There are people on this job that can't subdue an active resister,or even a passive resister. But this order doesn't make sense. If you have to apply for limited duty and there is something wrong with you..... well, don't apply for it and just stay on the medical.
12/26/2011 04:04:00 AM
It will most likely be challenged near immediately, but for an obscure reason. For many years, there have been sworn members in light-duty status because of converting to a religion that forbids the ownership and/or use of firearms and forbids physical combat of any sort. The hierarchy never objected because it was thought the religious aspect made it untouchable and any legal challenge would just be a waste of money. At the very least, any challenge(s) to the religious aspect, from either or both sides of the fence, might lead to a grandfather exemption from the mandates of ERO #E03-01-03.
This is exactly what it says. You have 1 year to recover. This does not include IOD. If after 1 year you cannot return to full duty you will be placed on pension disability. The police can screw anything up and they did again with all the medical abuse that has gone on for years. Too many officers that refuse to return to work. Is it fair? No. Is it warranted? Yes. Any other employer has much more stringent rules. The city's relaxed policy was great until the abusers ruined it.
12/26/2011 03:26:00 AM
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Wrong.
The new policy DOES include IOD. You have at most two years to recover from any injury be it on or off duty. One year medical time and one year limited duty. It also now appears that limited duty is severely restricted.
Suppose you are shot on duty. You have one year of IOD. If you don't qualify for limited duty, you must apply for disability with the pension board. You will get duty disability of 75% of your salary with raises and other benefits.
Suppose you get cancer. You have one year medical time. If you don't qualify for limited duty, you apply for a medical disability with the pension board. The amount you are paid is dependent on the time you have on the job.
Since there is no practical difference between the qualifications of limited and regular duty, the department is getting rid of all sick and injured employees if they are not fit for duty in one year.
The pathetic part is you nitwits stoking the fire without knowing what the hell you are talking about. This is not time on the medical, this is time on limited duty because of medical. What the order says is that if you are on limited duty (limited duty means working but unable to work the street) as a result of being on the medical you have one year total. If you are unable to return to full duty after that year you will be recommended for disability. This does not mean if you are off of work due to the medical, that has always been 365 days per every two years. So, what this means is that people who are working inside jobs because they have a medical issue will have one year to get well and return to full duty, or they will be asked to leave. This is not an issue covered by the contract, the contract only covers IOD, IOD status is not being changed.
So, how about you use your 5th grade level reading skills and read the order, ingest the information and give out the correct info before you start a wildfire of panic.
Wtf. How does this work? Don't we have a contract? I know its cliche but where is fop on this one. This effects peoples lives on iod from fighting with these savages........now your telling me if I get all fubar'd fighting with Joe I am screwed after 365 days. Unfucking real. Yet again fop is silent...........
12/26/2011 12:13:00 AM
You stupid dick. IOD limited duty officers are not affected. Read the order, numbnuts!
Four words... Americans With Disabilities Act.
12/26/2011 01:24:00 AM
Four more words, stupid....................doesn't apply to police.
12/25/2011 03:59:00 PM
I can understand te serious illnesses but you have to admit there are numerous officers with bullshit light duty injuries. Imaginary foot, leg and arm injuries for years. Yet they can still exercise and take active vacations. If the department can eliminate the fakes then we would not need the changes.
Totally agree I just cant stand the abusers I hate the fact that they get 3 to 4 extra furlos a year cause they get to go on the medical or iod. And it's every year the same people every year doing it over and over.
You people are wrong. You won't be done after 365 days, you won't get paid. I dont understand the active resister thing . I know for a fact there is a p.o in 009 , on the desk on afternoons that is 411 and could not fight her way out of a paper bag! Fuck this city, department and the suck dicks that pretend to be the police. Hope they have a good 2012.
The CITY OF CHCIAGO is crying that they are broke! The 17th dist 3rd watch CAPT. D.D. WHO WAS SCHEDULED TO BE OFF, ON sunday, CHRISTMAS DAY, DECIDED TO CHANGE AND HER REGULAR DAY OFF AND WORK ON THE HOLIDAY [CHRISTMAS DAY] JUST SO SHE COULD GET THE OVER TIME PAY!! I wanted to change my day off and she would not let me.. The city had to pay her a lot of money on the holiday, why can't everyone change their day off[s] to work holidays so we ALL can get the holidy pay?? I guess this just applies to THE FEMALE CAPTAIN IN THE 17TH DISTRICT!
12/26/2011 04:13:00 AM
Her daughters are a joke too. One has 5 years on job and already assigned to the airport. The other 3 years on and is working 14 tact no clue. But these are our future in no time they will be merit Sgt lt cap. What a joke.
Anonymous said...
I pray not to get hurt, but if I suffer an IOD injury, I guarantee it will involve a lengthy recovery period. Fuck Rahm, let him hire more police. And fuck that pony who rode into town after him, McShit-faced.
12/25/2011 02:55:00 PM
Sad the way people on this department think. Wheres your honor dignity. I no rahm and mcshitty are assholes. But this is not the way to do things. I have way to much pride in myself to hold out on an iod. We need eachother in this time. God bless and to alll stay safe
Retired blue shirt
12/26/2011 04:02:00 AM
We dont "need each other" after you retire. I respect and I'm jealous of you but "you" cannot help us at this point. Its good to hear about honor and dignity, but lets face it, there are too many people on CPD for "just a check and benefits".
I heard it from actual fellow recruits when I came on the job 14 years ago. "I aint arresting nobody", "I aint chasin' nobody" ( The beginning of the College Req. age). Im sure they are still on the job, earning that check. I take pride in my work ethic. I go to sleep at night and sleep good knowing I did my job. It pisses me off, but I learned to deal with knowing only a handful of guys (even less girls) will actually come to your aid when you need help. If I get injured, I will take the time to heal, but I try to work smarter. No jumping over or tackling anyone anymore. I plan to be in good physical health when I retire and move on.
The "Department" doesnt care about you because there is no stability. No one stays around in any one spot to care what happens to anyone. Supts come and go, the bosses stepping on each other trying to get to the top, Watch Commanders, close to retirement, taking extended furlos, going on the medical/IOD, Lt's shipped all around the City as "visitors" (not knowing whats going on in the Districts the supervise for a night), Sgts, not enough on the street, barely able to log all their cars much less do the administrative part of the job and Po's that try to do the job not feeling like any cares or backs them.
Leadership is a faint idea in CPD. They talk about it, but it never actually comes out and displayed. Raise the retirement age? Please God NO!!! Get the young blood in and let the dead weight go. Its a young persons job. The more new PO's brought out on the street, the better the morale.
Promote more Supervisors, Detectives, E.T.'s, FTO's, K-9 Handlers, etc.... Give Officers something to look forward to. Most would like to be given the opportunity to advance in their careers.
You want a to promote honor, integrity, pride, etc? CPD must become a PROFESSIONALLY run organization again. TOO many "goofs" making decisions with ZERO Police experience. You MUST know the job before you take charge or set policies in place.
Oh lastly and I say "GO FUCK YOURSELF" to any of the Media trolls reading this blog. You have no integrity or morals. Have a great day.
This never would have happened if they didn't get rid of TRU.
Me and my hard charging, 8 for 8, comrades would have gone to these medical abusers hours and given them the G.I. Jane Navy Seal tryout treatment.
Ring that bell! You can never be part of TRU!
it's Obamacare !!!!
Don't do anything!
Let this city burn down!
Anyone who does Police work with the way the City will throw an Officer under the bus for Politics!
Is just plain STUPID!
Da Pelon
"To be placed in the "Limited Duty" status, you must be able to handle a gun; walk without the assistance of a cane, crutch, brace; be able to subdue an "active resister;" and drive a squad car..."
Nu,, so, what's "limited? You're on the job.
Vicious little prick of a Mayor and a Police Superintendent who is, for all practical purposes, nonexistent.
OT: Scenio for anybody out there in regards to CPD steroid testing in 2012. Lets say an officer is using LEGAL over the counter oral supplements not banned by
the FDA, and it it pops a positive for steroids, would that officer still be fired? Im not talking about needles an vials here but legal oral supplements? I believe there is pending litigation on this involving other departments such as NYPD but not sure.
What you young officers don't realize that one day this will be you needing limited/convalescent duty--everyone at one point in their life will break a bone or have some kind of debilitating illness but ld/cd won't be there--now that's scary!
Half the people on the active duty role cant subdue any type of resistor ! This job has become a joke, and is getting worse ! now you must be very careful what you do and what you play outside of work.
You can thank all the scammers for this,every district has them and all the officers who really needed this are screwed and you can be sure this is just the start of things to come.
The order does not state 365 medical days over your career,it states 365 limited duty days over your career. this does not affect IOD limited duty.Let's see how many people fall off the chair and get IOD
and of course they released it late on friday afternoon
Looks like my last year will be spent on medical. Never took a medical Day my first twenty years , but if you say I've got 365 days to use, Now I'll use it. Gentlmans agreement out the door I guess
•To be placed in the "Limited Duty" status, you must be able to handle a gun; walk without the assistance of a cane, crutch, brace; be able to subdue an "active resister;" and drive a squad car;
There are a few problems here. I have seem plenty of people over the years that can't do some of this stuff ever in their career. "subdue an active resister", "Drive a squad car", "Handle a gun"
Does that mean if you can't do these things you can't even get on the job to begin with.
Except if you are clouted you can.
08:52 You are a dreamer
OT -- Channel 7 just now reporting that a beautiful little girl has vanished from a Fort Wayne, Indiana mobile home park that is also home to about 15 sex offenders...
Dear God.
Talk about a sinking feeling...
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2011/12/indiana-girl-missing-from-trailer-park-known-for-sex-offenders/
04:59 Amen One thing I dont understand, how can you be on the job, even light duty if you cant carry a gun? When you get off medical say for an injured hand, you have to go to the range and qualify before getting released by the medical section. Makes no sense
01:33 you are right about IOD You have only one year and then you have to apply for disability. Problem is what if they dont approve the disability? Its not automatic. Before this order a guy who was shot would be taken care of and put on limited duty
whats really going to be interesting is lets see if the dept wll really take those officers off limited duty. Yea, maybe but, they will still be hiding in the front offices, desk, made up spots and Area 5 detective division will still have all the po's doing the same thing in those same spots. Was always said, if the long term light duty officers positions were eliminated and they7 either had to go back full duty or go on disability, there would be MANY miraculous overnight recoveries
Let's see how Little Mikey handles this!
Does anyone have any idea of how many po's are on limited duty? and how many have been on limited duty for over a year? Seems that would be easy to find out thru the medical section
Could this also be an attack on our pension? Not sure exactly how it works, but I do know that if you go on pension, either duty or non duty related the pension board pays for part of that disability. If this applies to hundreds of long term light duty officers, that would further deplete our pension fund. Thats why the disability has a hearing before the pension board and the disability has to be approved by the pension board because they are paying for it
I have 711 days until retirement. Each tour seems like 15 hours.
All the more reason to quit fighting with these shit heads. Answer your calls and do the bare minimum. Don't do anything proactive and put your and your partner's safety above everything else. Let this city and the citizens start fending for themselves. Give them the police department they've always wanted. Until they start appreciating the police and taking better care of the officers that are keeping them safe everyday, that's the best way to play it. Why risk your health when the city, the department, and the citizens are so willing to just discard you like a piece of trash if you get hurt? This job is ruined and it's time for self preservation mode. The way we're headed, I don't know how they're ever going to hire anybody to do this shit in the future.
12/26/2011 08:58:00 AM
Amen.
Hey Detnick36 and all the other retards that start blogging before they actually read an order.....for once and for all, get it thru your thick heads that IOD limited duty officers are not affected. Period. End of story.
Four words... Americans With Disabilities Act.
12/26/2011 01:24:00 AM
Four more words, stupid....................doesn't apply to police.
12/26/2011 01:44:00 PM
ABSOLUTELY CORRECT!
It will most likely be challenged near immediately, but for an obscure reason. For many years, there have been sworn members in light-duty status because of converting to a religion that forbids the ownership and/or use of firearms and forbids physical combat of any sort. The hierarchy never objected because it was thought the religious aspect made it untouchable and any legal challenge would just be a waste of money. At the very least, any challenge(s) to the religious aspect, from either or both sides of the fence, might lead to a grandfather exemption from the mandates of ERO #E03-01-03.
12/26/2011 12:49:00 PM
Converting to a religion where you can't fight with someone? Boy the scams never stop on this department. What the heck? You took this job as a police officer. I don't care what your religion is, you have a firearm and you are required to do your job. Your decision to convert to a religion that requires you to do the opposite of this job should not be a reason for you to stay and get paid for doing nothing that a policeman does. I cannot believe the bs cops pull.
Considering pregnancy is 10 months....are women only allowed to have one child if they want to keep their job?
12/26/2011 08:42:00 AM
9 months idiot!
Signed,
A woman who knows.
detnick36 said...
If this order only refers to injuries or illness that are not job/duty related then DISREGARD my earlier post in regard to the 365 day limit. If this is primarily aimed at forcing non-duty related medical issues back to work within a prescribed period of time, then there is little to be said.
If anyone should have nothing to say it would be someone that went on light duty for a NON DUTY related injury while in the company of a female that was NOT his wife det nick.
I take pride in on not going on the medical. If I have a little cold I take comp time.
Did you ever consider checking the money box then donating the money to a church or a charity of your choice instead? No your right just donate it back to the city they wll spend it wisely. MORON
I think this order will come to bight the CPD right in the ass. I have been on what was called convalescent duty before.
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It's amazing to me that you can spell 'convalescent' but spell 'bite' = 'bight'. Seriously?
....and what did WE do to these Medical Roll abusers? Nothing.
There was a day when the Medical abusers would be treated like the pariah they were. Shunned at roll call, slow back up and abuse every turn. The abuser were treated like the lying scum they were. You were afraid to abuse it. There were consequences.
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Exactly. Medical abusers were not taken care of in the past but in the past 10 years the department has seemed to cater to them at the expense of everyone else. I probably have 20 days medical over my entire career which is over 20 years. I am not saying I am so healthy just that I use it when I am sick and when I am better I come back to work. I don't milk it like many others have. So this order doesn't affect those of us who don't intend to scam.
This is the best news of the new year 2012 all those lazy do nothing cops who are on limited duty for bull shit i totally agree is u can work the streets find a new jobs working as a secretary .
12/26/2011 10:55:00 AM
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Ah, the trolls abound today.
Oh, that's right; only WE go to work today. Civilians are off, so they can shop and skulk around police blogs.
As with everything else on this job, a few abusers of the system ruin it for the rest. Area 2 years ago had a few Dicks that just helped themselves to Overtime slips almost every day, with their buddy supervisors looking the other way. Then the shit hit the fan when the Mayor got wind of how much OT these Hogs made, and the plug got pulled for everyone. Supervisors STILL dont get rotated to this day, and favoritism STILL goes on, and how those favors get repaid? Guess how?
OT.
Take a look at the new scumbags in Emanuel's pocket....you thought the Scum Times was eating Daley's shit for free?
Look who's gonna be the public mouthpiece for the Emanuel runaway freight train into complete poverty for the working class of Illinois:
http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20111222/BLOGS02/111229926/rahm-has-deep-financial-ties-to-new-sun-times-owners
http://bigjournalism.com/pjsalvatore/2011/12/22/rahm-emanuel-chicago-mayor-has-financial-ties-to-chicago-newspaper-owners/
http://www.nbcchicago.com/blogs/ward-room/rahm-emanuel-suntimes-contributions-136161248.html
http://www.substancenews.net/articles.php?section=Article&page=2940
This fucker's trying to steal everything that ain't nailed down for his own personal control party.
So who's gonna start making this bullshit about this cocksucker Emanuel MORE PUBLIC and in constant full frontall assault in their own media outlets to help ensure more people know what this fucker's all about?
While acknowledging that coppers get sick or are injured off-duty, and you would hope that the medical policy we had in place would continue to be extended as a perk, some coppers abused the policy. Had the medical policy not been abused to the point where it became public and obvious advantage was taken by some coppers who were able bodied but wanted to ride the system, then this thing would not have been changed to the current policy.
Nevertheless, it is going to be hard for guys that are legitimately ill and need more time to recover.
12/26/2011 07:41:00 AM
You said it in a nutshell. This is the consequence of abusers. The sad part is that everyone knows who the abusers are but nothing could be done about them. The older cops who might get sick now will be forced off the job if they cannot recover right away. I am an older officer. I am going to continue to work out and remain as healthy as I can so I don't have an illness that would require a lengthy time off. The bottom line is abusers ruined a decent benefit we had. I am sure those who will be taken care of will find yet another way around this new system until they ruin yet another benefit that we have. It never fails.
12/26/2011 11:47:00 AM
Very well said and a very good reply to the asshole p.o. who thinks he is such "a real police officer". There are too many people in our job who are always focused on what other officers are doing (i.e. "she is a dog", "he is a medical abuser", etc....). It's not my job to judge others. If someone is scamming the system then I firmly believe in the end karma will take care of their actions. I just have to worry about my own actions.
Anonymous said...
Good so if God forbid I get a long term illness and do all the required medical treatments and Drs say I cannot work full capacity as a PO and city fires me I will be a very rich man.
12/26/2011 08:52:00 AM
What amazes me is not that the city will keep taking away benefits. Instead it's how "uninformed" so many on this job are. Reference above post. And DETNICK who writes the disability pension pays 75%. Fact, if you are injured OFF duty or becme ill you may get ordinary disability, thats 1 year at 50% for every 4 yrs worked with a 5 year max. Then you are on your own.
The only exception is disabling heart disease=ODDD In that case you must have more than 10 yrs on you can APPLY for ODDD which is 65% Duty disability is different, must be duty related and is not granted easily unless your juiced.
Hey guys that are quick to buy into this nonsense and sell ourselves out. Do you really think this will end here? Remember when the city asked for one dollar a check for insurance? Same kinda response happened then, guys saying I'm fine with it, it won't effect me, what's one dollar? And look where we are. The city has shown that once they get a foot in the door, a leg will follow. We shouldn't be giving anything up, that's the bottom line. Years ago guys bought into thinking that meter maids to write tickets were no big deal and gave everyone a chance to do "real police work" and a wise old watch commander warned that by bringing in civilians we were losing our job security. What followed? Civilians directing traffic, privatized meter enforcement, civilians working lock up, handing out radios, dispatching, and talk of civilians working the desk coming. This equals lower police numbers that aren't getting replaced. What happened to the unit that was created to crack down on medical abuse? That sounds like an easy answer to this issue rather than all of you guys jumping on the bandwagon to let your rights go. And for all of you quick to expose what abusers are in your districts, go to to medical school if you think you have the right to judge, if not, stfu, because you might not actually know the whole story. And I'm just wondering, what does a female cop having been a stripper before have anything to do with any of this?
Thank you one and all.
12/26/2011 08:12:00 AM
It is not Cynthia. It is Centeria Moore-Powell.
She is a real pos. She has gotten away with a number of things where just one of them would have gotten anyone else fired!
One of her best stunts was when she pistol whipped her elderly Caucasian next door neighbor over a lawn sprinkler. She is a real classy woman. NOT. But she is a hater.
You have to be kidding me. Why not interview a working Cop on the west side that answers shots fired calls all night long and walks through blood and brains at crime scenes ? To me thats the real law enforcement in the second city.
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hey, Mr. new guy OTJ, stuck in a shit district like many of us were at one time-the blood and brains are evidence, watch where you're walking. But if you did that, how would you show the hogs at Dugans the blood on your shoes from your "bloody night".
Dumbass.
How come this new order won't affect him or any other Lt's & above??
12/26/2011 11:01:00 AM
Because he is a civilian exempt. He retired as a sworn.
It's pretty sad to read alot of these comments. I have been limited duty for 7 yrs. I was badly hurt on the job, after surgery I went right back on the streets, nothing was ever the same for me, that one injury (back)caused other spinal problems. What most do not understand is then they will change it from an IOD to medical..after many surgeries, I still work but limited. I cannot help what happened to me. I can't believe that some would just say to get rid of me...I am the Police, if you don't get this then maybe we need to get rid of you! Your life can change in seconds...you best think before you make these comments. God Bless our Brothers & Sisters in Blue.
I blame all the lazy pieces of shit that fake injuries so that they don't have to come to work.
I agree..Whatever happened to the "Hockey Star" (that was dumped from tac) from 017 that was being investigated?????
Bullshit like this jeopardizes the medical
Unfortunately this was a long time coming with many pieces of Shit on this job. I even know a few and all of you know who you are. Many are or were in call back just to point to a few. They have no problem doing sporting activities , going to the gym, standing in bars all night. They are the ones you should be angry with, the ones that ruin it for the truely hard workers who deserve and need it.
You are an idiot. You would rather use you own time than hit the medical for a legitimate reason? News flash for you, no one is patting you on the back but yourself. Talk to us when you get a bad beef and get suspended. You're so quick to give up the time you think you earned by being the "real" police? See how you feel when the department tries to take all they can from you. Who are you to judge what these other people do on the medical? If someone sprained their support wrist and can't shoot with two hands for a while you think they shouldn't be able to pick up their kids or work out other muscles at the gym? Who put you in charge of determining who is a "dog" or abuser? Do you have access to people's medical records? Let me guess, you also believe everything on the news? You are the problem with this job. Too many guys nowadays looking out for themselves and quick to turn your back on fellow coolers. You don't even realize that by giving some up you open the door for it to come down on every one. Are there abusers? Sure, but I'll take the abusers any day to protect my guys and girls and maybe myself one day and know that if I stumble on some misfortune, I won't have to worry about paying my bills or my family's because I can't go to work. This is why wr have no strength in a collective voice. Have you ever gotten out of a ticket or done something technically illegal but gotten out of it because of a professional courtesy? Would that make you an abuser?
Come on don't be an idiot you all no who I'm talking about the people that go on the medical 5 times a year. The people that go on iod 5 times a year. Those are the mfers I can't stand. I wish it was like back in the day when you would look down upon in roll call when asses go on the medical. Il sorry I just hate that shit.
What if you get into a car accident and it goes over a year on medical by the time you recover from surgery how does that work? Non iod related the accident happened off duty.
12/26/2011 12:30:00 PM
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You either use your comp time, go into no-pay status (until you recover enough to go into full or limited duty status) or go go on disability pension.
28 Years of service and this is the first time in my career NO Pax 501 Holiday Message.
12/26/2011 12:17:00 PM
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Who really cares? But if you do, you should have watched the Holiday Message streaming video.
Every Summer, our next door neighbor (who lived and worked in 016) hurt his back while on duty. One evening my wife and I (both police)were enjoying a cocktail on our deck. She looked next door and saw our IOD neighbor with a weight belt on installing air-conditioners on the second floor of his home. We decided it was some sort of new therapy he was doing. Miraculously, he was back to work after Labor Day - A Miracle!!!
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Someone has to put the AC in. Too bad his lazy ass copper neighbors wouldn't give the guy a hand.
Im 34 years old 6"0 190 lbs, I run a 9 min mile and lift weights 4 times a week and I'm barely "able to subdue an active resister" by my self.
Media trolls should Try putting handcuffs on someone who does not want them and and see what I'm talking about
Good luck with this one.
This is a fair policy,face the reality! I am personally tired of having a radio handed to me by some coward who gets patrolman's salary because his hand was sticking out of a window holding a cigar, when it was hit by another vehcile. That is the extent of the "alleged" injury that has put one officer in 023 on perpetual light duty.
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Instead of posting here, why not get a pair and say this to his face? Who's the coward?
I have witnessed rugby players from all over the world play the game with teeth freshly knocked out, broken bones and all size lacerations. Ruggers don't need all kinds of special "equipment" to protect themselves. They also don't need to stop the clock after almost every play. Give it a try if you think you can hang.
Come on people, you can't see the one or two people who are benefiting from this change. This is their chance to get 75% disability for a few years. Do your homework!
This department is not a professional department because it is not run by professionals.
There are hundreds of cops who answer their jobs professionally, despite having no hope for advancement or promotion. That is a credit to them.
However, beginning with the unprofessional boozer at the top and his minions of goofs, this department will continue ruining the morale of many good men and women, who in turn will continue only doing what they have to.
If the department was run by professionals, they would know that rewarding the good officers would benefit everyone, but the ego maniacs are fill with too much self importance and greed to look at what is best for the citizens and the department.
This "light duty" issue demonstrates AGAIN that the department won't deal with the few bad apples, but instead knee jerk react and punish the cops who need this benefit.
I'll say it directly, fuck you bosses on the top and fuck you king Rahm. What goes around comes around. I hope that will come true in spades for the bosses and the king.
Ot.
http://pjmedia.com/blog/lapd-turns-a-blind-eye-to-illegal-aliens-without-drivers-licenses/
Wow LAPD chief might be worse be worse than ours....
Suppose you are shot on duty. You have one year of IOD. If you don't qualify for limited duty, you must apply for disability with the pension board. You will get duty disability of 75% of your salary with raises and other benefits.
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Wrong, you will NOT get a raise until you start your 8th year on DD, and that raise will only bring you up to 60% of what your current salary would have been had you been working.
28 Years of service and this is the first time in my career NO Pax 501 Holiday Message.
12/26/2011 12:17:00 PM
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Yup, you are correct sir.
Some of the bosses at headquarters brought this up last week. It was looked up and confirmed that in the history of the Chicago police dept a holiday message has never not been sent out in one way shape or form, not just talking pax 501
Welcome to the new police dept.
OT: Gunman opens fire on a crowded CTA platform. But, I'm sure the cameras stopped the crime, right? Saved a life or two?
No? But maybe caught some great shots of the last moments of a victim's life.
Hire some police, Mr. Emanuel. Cameras don't stop crime.
Four words... Americans With Disabilities Act.
12/26/2011 01:24:00 AM
Four more words, stupid....................doesn't apply to police.
12/26/2011 01:44:00 PM
ADA does apply to police and fire departments but it is extremely complicated issue and is usually looked at on a case by case basis, but there is plenty of case law on the issue where the officer in question prevails.
Dont be retarded if you claim you are permanantly unable to do your job the city has every right to have you leave the department under disability. Stop making excuses for the jag offs that abuse the system. Personally I think if you are faking an illness you should be fired. Otherwise bring me proof from a doctor that says you cant work full duty.
Anonymous said...
Four words... Americans With Disabilities Act.
12/26/2011 01:24:00 AM
Read the ACT, you Stupid Moron!!!
It doesn't apply.
"The new policy DOES include IOD. You have at most two years to recover from any injury be it on or off duty. One year medical time and one year limited duty. It also now appears that limited duty is severely restricted."
Wrong, it does Not include IOD. Stop the bullshit complaining and go back to work.
Considering pregnancy is 10 months....are women only allowed to have one child if they want to keep their job?
12/26/2011 08:42:00 AM
9 months idiot!
Signed,
A woman who knows.
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It's 40 weeks. Maybe 42 weeks if your kid doesn't want to be born for a while.
I don't care about splitting hairs - 9 months or 10. Whatever.
What I do care about is the fact that, as of today, men don't push kids out of their penis. And if the dept wants to treat a female differently, i.e. counting days of limited duty for when that female is pregnant and *not allowed* to be working the street, then we have a problem, Houston.
The Supt can't even walk w/out the assistance of a cain. After 15 Old Dogs & 5 shots of Jamison I'm pretty sure I'd need a cain just to get me thru the Advil assisted hangover. The shakes alone I might need a cain w/that type of heavy hitting.
Please?!
Consider this as you all go off on "only" 365 days of non-duty related convalescent duty per career, other large departments give their officers ZERO days of non-duty related recovery time and zero or 12 days medical time.
So if we get 365 days for non duty related medical issues, that is still more than other police departments get. NYPD being a rare exception. However, we have rights per the contract to bid, mover around etc. that NYPD can only dream about.
Just wait for the bitching when we are required to keep a daily duty notebook to record what we do all day in 15 minute increments like NYPD. They have to enter the time they spend going to the toilet.
Anonymous said...
Does anyone have any idea of how many po's are on limited duty? and how many have been on limited duty for over a year? Seems that would be easy to find out thru the medical section
yes
non iod limited duty is 314 , non iod covelescent is 116
total 430
this was said at the last union meeting
unit rep
Anonymous said...
OT: Scenio for anybody out there in regards to CPD steroid testing in 2012. Lets say an officer is using LEGAL over the counter oral supplements not banned by
the FDA, and it it pops a positive for steroids, would that officer still be fired? Im not talking about needles an vials here but legal oral supplements? I believe there is pending litigation on this involving other departments such as NYPD but not sure.
12/26/2011 03:07:00 PM
According to the FDA website, the supplement manufacturers are responsible for both the safety of their own product and that the labeling is truthful. The FDA only gets involved after an incident occurs. So if you take a "legal" supplement that has something in it that you were unaware of, you could test positive.
Well Call Back will be reduced to the two C's instead of the three C's.
The crippled will be eliminated.
Who they gonna get to work there then?
The crazies and the criminals over there could care less about how many jobs are in que.
As with everything else on this job, a few abusers of the system ruin it for the rest. Area 2 years ago had a few Dicks that just helped themselves to Overtime slips almost every day, with their buddy supervisors looking the other way. Then the shit hit the fan when the Mayor got wind of how much OT these Hogs made, and the plug got pulled for everyone. Supervisors STILL dont get rotated to this day, and favoritism STILL goes on, and how those favors get repaid? Guess how?
12/26/2011 06:33:00 PM
Sounds like IAD. Chief's buddies are making more than him. Wish I was a Blessed One.
Time for FLOP to start consulting some good workman's comp attorneys......
What about pregnant P.O.s?
12/26/2011 01:27:00 AM
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Get your ass out there and fight there's two of you....one fights the other gets on the radio
365 days over your total career......would this be retroactive for a career or begin next year? Some people have over 365 already for their "career."
Our fine leader his Racoonship will screw us all in his march to his next position Gov or president
Anonymous said...
Wtf. How does this work? Don't we have a contract? I know its cliche but where is fop on this one. This effects peoples lives on iod from fighting with these savages........now your telling me if I get all fubar'd fighting with Joe I am screwed after 365 days. Unfucking real. Yet again fop is silent........
Not to blindly defend the FOP But easy on the egg nog Doesnt apply to IOD
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NO! You are not misinterpreting this at all SCC. It says exactly what you think it says. No more sissies on the job! That's how we did it on the NYPD and the NPD (New Jersey edition). Toughen up you bitches. That's why crime was running rampant in your city before I got here. Because you are all a bunch of sissies! Oh, and by the way, only Un-American sissies play rugby. Real American men play football! (Not flag football though, that's kind of sissy)
12/26/2011 02:34:00 AM
dont get sick mother fucker
Considering pregnancy is 10 months....are women only allowed to have one child if they want to keep their job?
12/26/2011 08:42:00 AM
Pregnancy should be handles like it is in the real world. Unlike cancer or heart attacks pregnancies are a personal choice.
damn we are soft as puppy shit
Finally...we have a few of them on the desk in A/3.
Anonymous said...
OT -- Channel 7 just now reporting that a beautiful little girl has vanished from a Fort Wayne, Indiana mobile home park that is also home to about 15 sex offenders...
Dear God.
Talk about a sinking feeling...
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2011/12/indiana-girl-missing-from-trailer-park-known-for-sex-offenders/
12/26/2011 04:36:00 PM
I grew up there and was home over the holiday weekend & watched this story unfold. They found her body today. And guess what? The neighbor her lazy-ass mother left her with has been arrested!
Wtf. How does this work? Don't we have a contract? I know its cliche but where is fop on this one. This effects peoples lives on iod from fighting with these savages........now your telling me if I get all fubar'd fighting with Joe I am screwed after 365 days. Unfucking real. Yet again fop is silent...........
FOP wasn't silent...If you went to the last meeting you would have been informed that the city was going to do this and what FOP was gong to do. Maybe if you took a little time to find out, you wouldn't look like a little bee-och on the blog.
It's amazing to me that you can spell 'convalescent' but spell 'bite' = 'bight'. Seriously?
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literally laughed out loud
Does this mean B.L. from 024 will have to come back to work from her no damage fender bender?
OT -- Channel 7 just now reporting that a beautiful little girl has vanished from a Fort Wayne, Indiana mobile home park that is also home to about 15 sex offenders..
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Odds are it was Mom and her boyfriend wanting to get rid of the kid...
" walks through blood and brains at crime scenes"
Brains?????? Easy there rookie. You are throwing the word "brains" around rather quick aren't you?
"Considering pregnancy is 10 months....are women only allowed to have one child if they want to keep their job?"
Hey idiot, you don't get 10 months off for pregnancy and there is something called maternity leave captain dipshit. Most of you idiots should just shut up.
Considering pregnancy is 10 months....are women only allowed to have one child if they want to keep their job?
12/26/2011 08:42:00 AM
9 months idiot!
Signed,
A woman who knows.
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Ummm. Actually pregnancy is ten months.
Signed,
A man who knows better
does this mean that Joe Murphy is gone? How many years has he been in a wheel chair as a commander?
I believe this has to be negotiated with or contract there are a great number of abusers but if you have a serious medical condition it's a terrible thing. The order says everyone iod or medical will have to be able to arrest a resister bad back other injuries that will not happen they certainly ate trying to force people off job. Thanks abusers
What ever happened to the "Medical Integrity unit"? Wasn't it formed to abolish the abuses that this new order addresses? Where are those people now? Another crock of shit from the, "make jobs for the clouted department"? Maybe if this fine unit had done their jobs this problem would have been eradicated?
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