XO Order Out
You can find it in the Automated Directive section of the Department Intranet or from home at the Department website. We're going to read the whole thing in short order, but here's something someone found just scanning the order:
- Sergeants will be going to the academy next week to get 8 hours of training to do the work of the Watch Commander . . opps.. "District Station Supervisor".
8 HOURS????????
So no more Desk Sergeants, but they want Sergeants to do Watch Commander work? And not at Captain's rate? We're sorry, but the PBPA ought to be fighting this and the FOP ought to be backing them. If the city can force people to do jobs that they aren't qualified for, well, let's just say that opens up all sorts of cans of worms in the future that really ought to stay closed. We have contracts for a reason.
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:04 AM
151 Comments:
not to sound like a scab but sgts make almost 90k a year... stop hiding behind your contract because you might have to do the WC duties. Who gives a sh*t.. Your still in your warm little station still not going much.
On day one, when a Sgt is ordered to act as a WC, he should submit an out of grade slip and, if or when it is denied, file a grievance.
Contracts? We don't need no stinking contracts.
Wow. I feel bad for all those guys and gals that frequently work the desk downstairs as acting sergeant. Those folks (for the most part) know the duties better than 90% of the 'real' desk sergeants that I've had the (dis)pleasure of dealing with over the years.
Seems we're not the only ones getting it stuck balls-deep in our "Sally Ports" with this whole reconfiguration thingy.
I'm dreading this...I'm really dreading this. Life isn't fair, still, if I wanted to be a Lt. I would of took the test. It's not right that a Lt. does the job at a higher rate, and a sgt. is ordered to step in, to do the same job at a lower rate. Plus a street sgt. won't have the degree of liability and responsibility as a sgt. acting as a station supervisor. Same goes for a P.O. doing the job of a desk sgt. without the pay. Making the same pay for instance, as a P.O. walking a cush foot route or in a safe cubicle. It's not right, it's wrong period.
I cant wait to be a Public Saftey Officer,I love Fire Engines.
Just close all the stations at 2100 hrs every night til 0700. The ride should be interesting. How long til G mac leaves then someone else turns everything upside down?
Can't you just skip the training and go out and buy the "Watch Commander for Dummies" book instead?
"If the city can force people to do jobs that they aren't qualified for,..."
Why not, its been going on that way for YEARS on this job. Why change shit now?
XOXOXO to you too, SCC!
Well if they want the Sgt.'s to do Watch Commanders work without the appropriate compensation, I say let it all go to hell. If they want me as a P.O. to do a Sgt.'s job without the proper compensation, that would be the last time they ever put me in charge of anything. I just would not do it. If ordered, I would claim ignorance and ask so many questions and take so long that they would never put me in that position again. That is why we have ranks and different pay rates. This is just a way for the city to save money and not have to promote anyone. Not with my help.
Funny all the people saying it doesn't effect us blue shirts..What about when you can't go to the WC to not work with the frigging idiot that sleeps the entire time, refuses to get out of the car, etc...
What about the guy who doesn't frigging use deodorant..
The XO is in charge of all of that now..
Have fun...
Now add civilian lock-up keepers, a P.O. running the desk and having some sort of authority to do so, and the idiot sergeant that no one wants on the street because he is too stupid and too scared now being the one approving our arrest reports..
Keep saying it doesn't effect us...
We are so screwed...
This is completely confusing . Just what is the job of this XO? And if the lieutenant is not working, the sergeant does his job ( for free?) It seems that the sergeant has suddenly become a captain but with no benefits.
Raccon Eyes, and his little Jersey Puppet McGruff, says Fuck You and your contracts. Contracts don't mean dog shit to the Racoon. He does whatever he wants and then dares you to fight him. Look at how he treated the Teachers Union. This leftest coniving bastard mayor is a Communist who has no shame. If you want me to take the responsibilty of a Captain then FUCKING PAY ME FOR IT! Other wise FUCK YOU! Any sergeant who works under this rule deserves whatever he/she gets stuck up their ass.
Sounds like sergeants will run the districts. Better make some more.
Ring ring...hello deputy....RWOC? YES there's not enough to hold him. Am I the commander? No but I did stay are red roof inn last night. LIFM
1 word- CLUSTERFUCK
Raccon Eyes, and his little Jersey Puppet McGruff, says Fuck You and your contracts.
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Please stop calling McDrunk 'McGruff', would you? That's an insult to the dog. And crime fighting.
Question????? I'm a PPO with a lot of time on the street. If I get called in on my RDO to be XO or district station supervisor can I still get EVENT NUMBERS?????
Hellooooooo FOP?
Looks like there won't be any need to promote anyone.
Remember something boys n girls, if you approve an arrest report that does not have PC, you can be federally sued. Now multiply that by being responsible for everyone else's job, with the civilian detention aides and the whole shebang, I don't see too many people who'd want that job.
They should do this for the aldermen too. Rotate them around to different wards in the city every other month.
Put a stop to this hypocrite segregation krap.
Black wards should have black aldermen, Hispanic wards should have only Hispanic alderman, etc.. That's the exact opposite of the racial integration mantra that they preached in the public schools for years.
You talk about "Broken Windows" what the hell kind of message does it send with this aldermanic racial discrimination based on ward demographics?
Move the alderman around baby. Let them 'reach out to the communities" That's the Taste of Chicago I'm talking about.
SCC read this, from the "Station Supervisors" order -
D. the final approval of Tactical Response Reports for those incidents that do not require approval by the Street Deputy, Street Operations; and
NOTE:
If the station supervisor is a sergeant, the station supervisor will forward the TRR to the tactical lieutenant or executive officer for final approval.
First of all, who the fuck is the street deputy, and when did we bring that back?
Second, Sgts cant approve TRR, only the lt or XO.....so....wtf? Is the station supervisor job an equalizer of rank - getting around my union - or is it not? As a sgt, if they make me work this job, why don't I get out of grade pay when this little note makes it clear that there are things in this job I can't do?
Executive Development Program:
II. PROGRAM OVERVIEW
The Chicago Police Executive Development Program for Lieutenants is designed to provide lieutenants with both a theoretical and practical application of the knowledge, skills, and abilities necessary for leaders engaged in 21st century law enforcement. The program is a five-week intensive course of study that will assist in the development of future leaders and managers within the Chicago Police Department.
---How f*cking stupid does a lt. have to be to want to advance to another rank under this jagbag supe?
---Somewhere jfled is snickering and juicing his shorts a little.
Who cares. Whatever. Ship is sunk. Just deposit my check.
Can't you just skip the training and go out and buy the "Watch Commander for Dummies" book instead?
SCC you really should put a like button in your comments section.
When they promote a class of Lieutenants, how long is their training at the academy?
But now they want to send the Sergeants "to the academy next week to get 8 hours of training to do the work of the Watch Commander . . oops.. "District Station Supervisor".
8 HOURS????????"
If this stupid plan doesn't have "LIABILITY" written all over it, I don't know what does!
Hell, Danny Davis and Sam Adam Jr. just sued the Department yesterday for a suicide in a police lock-up. How quickly would the taxpayers get it shoved up their a$$ if that happens with 'any old Sergeant' with 8 hours training in charge of a district that used to be run by hand chosen, merit selected, specially recognized for their EXTREME competence and reliability, Watch Commanders???
This just sounds sounds like a "perfect storm" of liability that the Department is creating. Each and every bottom feeding, ambulance chasing lawyer in the Midwest should be salivating like the band of blood-thirsty sharks that they are and filing lawsuit after lawsuit for MILLION$ of out tax dollars.
Doesn't SOMEONE employed as an attorney for this city see a problem here???
HELLO???
Anybody home???
Corporation Council???
City Law Department???
WTF???
Anonymous said.....
And if you were a sergeant, you would be the first one bitching! Why all the hatred? This is the problem we have right now - we DO NOT KNOW HOW TO STICK TOGETHER!!!
What they do to sergeants today, they will do to POs tomorrow. Don't be so shallow and simple that you cannot think this situation through to the end.
So to be a SGT you need 2 yrs of college. To be a LT and above you need a 4 year DEGREE.
So are they going to throw out these requirements for any future promotions?
Seems like they are setting a precedent with this move.
I'm a Captain who voted against this contract. No one is going to be in charge of the watch any more. Every watch will have a station manager on every shift. It will be either a Lt. or a Sgt. That Lt. or Sgt. will be assigned by the EO. Who do you think is going to want all of that responsibility (arrest reports, lock up, desk with no desk Sgt) and not be compensated for it? The EO will have to force someone to do it. The Lts will be fighting with each other to choose the street over the Station Manager spot. When there's no Lt., the Sgts will be battling. In the meantime, there will never again be one person in charge of the watch. If you had a good Watch Commander who cared about you and treated you fairly, you are really, really going to miss them now. This is going to be a disaster.
So the outsider simply comes in and changes the names just to circumvent the contract.
Watch out 700 will retire in the next 5 months due to G8 & Nato conference and lack of leadership by Mr. Dead Rabbit. This will come quick and put a tremendous strain on the pension. Da Rah could care less! He will let the city keep missing payments and the pension will be severely stressed. I did not think about retiring but have to give it some thought to get back what I have put in.
....iam just glad the 3 year desk wonders are no longer getting out of grade pay....ie..blue shirts that are scared to work the street...bye bye...
Hey, no worries...Sgts acting as the W.C. all you have to do is approve everything without actually reading it (which is what most Sgts do anyway) and let the states attorny and judge figure it out in court. Just because the admin, with the snap of their fingers, says you HAVE to do something doesn't mean you're qualified to do it. I'm a P.O., I've only been trained to know MY duties and anything beyond that is up for grabs, whether they pay me as desk Sgt. or not. The same thing goes for the Sgts. When something happens I'm going to cry ignorance cuz I don't have the qualifications to do the Sgt thingy or the Lt. thingy, nor do I meet the education requirements of either one of those positions. I know what I'm going to do next year if all this really happens...next time I'm acting desk Sgt. I'm going to hit that approve button without reading anything and I hope the Sgt/acting W.C. does the same thing.
The PBPA is fighting this.
A Watch Commander is a leader of the police officers and police operations on the watch, a position of great responsibility.
A Station Supervisor is the manager of the station building.
So if you want the Watch Commander and a police related decision ask for the "Watch Commander".
If you want the "Station Supervisor" you better habla Espanol because I'll have our janitor pick up the phone.
No promotions for a long time, sorry secret study group kiddies....
Just how does the FOP back the PBPA? You really need to explain this one to me.
"Do jobs they arent qualified to do?" Ummm, doesn't that cover just about every exempt ?
right Dep. George?
Did it ever occur to anyone, least of all McCarthy and Rahm, that the FOP and PB&PA contracts, because they were voted on by the wonderful Aldermen of our Chicago City Council and approved by the great Mayor Richard M. Daley himself are in fact, city ordinances. Therefore they have the force of law behind them if we go to invoke that.
I would love to see McCarthy pay a punitive damage claim for what he has been doing.
"forcing people to do jobs they're not qualified for?" interesting SCC. It never seemed to bother anyone at HQ when they voluntarily(thru clout)forced someone into s supervisory or command position they clearly couldn't handle.
SCC, U know I'm not barking at U, but I've worked in just shy of 5 districts. Even the "wretched" 003rd district that everyone seems to know about, but most never even broke the plane of G/C to make a remotely informed decision about the district. My Capt there was totally competent, intelligent, and a true gentlemen. My current Capt can't annunciate rudimentary English words. Making a conscious effort to get "hooked on phonics" wood B a great start for some of these "forced" individuals.
It's spelled raccoon.
Hope CAPT D.D. likes working in the 3rd district, thats where shes going!!
not to sound like a scab but sgts make almost 90k a year... stop hiding behind your contract because you might have to do the WC duties. Who gives a sh*t.. Your still in your warm little station still not going much.
You must work in a cushy place, try working the desk in an area or any busy district with a lock up. There are a lot of responsibilities that fall on the desk sgt which can cause several people to take some serious suspension time if not performed properly.
If you think they arent doing much, step up, and volunteer. Im sure you were one of the first to bitch when you had to canvass a scene at a burglary job. Hey thats a detectives job, Im not doing that was you first bitch.
Anonymous said...
Can't you just skip the training and go out and buy the "Watch Commander for Dummies" book instead?
12/29/2011 12:49:00 AM
The City did buy that book but they need something for the academy people to do so they won't get sent back to the street.
lets take this a step further--- many moons ago an idea of making senior officers " master patrol officers " popped up--- they would essentially handle crime scenes in the place of a sgt if no sgt was available--- of course at no extra compensation though--- on another note, many younger officers are looking for employment elsewhere--- it's hard to walk away from a good paying job with good benefits but a lot of coppers are looking at the future and what will happen to this job--- many are questionning why they should put on the monkey suit and put up with all the bullshit everyday with no guarantee that they will even get a pension--- or getting seriously injured on the job causing a permanent disability and getting kicked out the back door--- things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...
Who is going to be in charge? It looks like nobody.
I give this inane plan about a month before something happens and it goes back.
To the first post who said the desk sergeant sits in a "warm little station still not [d]oing much," have you ever seen a desk sergeant at a station? at a busy station? they work their ASSES off. They oftentimes don't have 3 minutes to themselves to eat lunch, let alone 30 minutes.
This post either came from an outsider or someone at HQ (both mean the same thing almost)
The Lieutenant's Union is already preparing a class action grievance in the event that out of grade pay is denied due to the elimination of the Watch Commander (ie Captain) position. In the event a Sergeant is made a Station Supervisor and is denied Captain's (Watch Commander)for the tour, the same grievance should be filed by them. These orders are union busting; it's that simple. They are bad management. They blur the span of control of every supervisor and place no single person in charge of a watch. We are so fucked by this idiot at the helm.
Citizen: I need to see the Desk Sgt.
Answer: Sorry, don't have one. No desk sergeant anymore.
Citizen: Can I see the Watch Commander?
Answer: Sorry. No Watch Commander anymore either. Got a Station Supervisor.
Citizen: Can I see him?
StaSup: Can I help you?
Citizen: I have a problem with drug dealing on my block...
StaSup: Hold on sir. I'm only in charge of the station. I'll have to get you a Field Supervisor. They handle the street.
Citizen: Well who's in charge of the District?
StaSup: Right now? No one. The Cmdr is off so I guess the XO is next in charge but he's off too. You should call the Street Deputy. I think he may in charge right now.
ONE MONTH LATER (After Aldermanic, minister, prominent citizen calls and liability issues reviewed by Corp Counsel):
New Order: The position of Watch Commander and Desk Sergeant have been established with the following duties.......
LOL...forcing people to do jobs they aren't qualified for. Good one SCC, this is staus quo for CPD in that a majority of bosses aren't qualified for.
8 hours training to be WC... hmmm, how many licks, or I mean hours to be commander? 12?
not to sound like a scab but sgts make almost 90k a year... stop hiding behind your contract because you might have to do the WC duties
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It never ceases to amaze me how the weak and stupid can so easily be divided by the city.
"Notify the District Station Supervisor" is now the correct answer on future Lts. exams??????
Can't you just skip the training and go out and buy the "Watch Commander for Dummies" book instead?
12/29/2011 12:49:00 AM
Is that required reading for all the triple merit hacks out there?
... stop hiding behind your contract because you might have to do the WC duties. Who gives a sh*t..
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You Sir are a ONE WAY MOTHERFUCKER.
Thats right... and by the way.. you coppers make a pretty good buck also.
I think the city should get rid of duty availablity.
Get rid of that uniform allowance.
Hell, why should you make 3 hours OT for going to court???
Tommorrow you are being transferred to a District 35 miles from your home without any say so.
STOP HIDING BEHIND YOUR CONTRACT!
Did your mother have any children that lived?
not to sound like a scab but sgts make almost 90k a year...
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Oh, no you don't sound like a scab.
You sound like a Half-Wit tool.
As a sergeant I don't care if the pay me Capt's pay for the day, I want no part of it. Call me old fashioned, but I don't think a Sgt should be running the watch on a once in a while basis. Look how messed up things are now with lack of leadership at the top. Now we're going to have lack of leadership on the watches. There's a thing called Unity of Command - and with no real W/C to run the watch this Dept. will spin more out of control that it already is. Disagree all you want, call the Sgts baby's that need to earn their "money" but anyone who just agrees to let the City just do Anything they want despite a contract is setting a precedent that will haunt this Dept. for the long haul.
Years ago they had 4 or 5 Street Deputies. They came to all the major crime scenes and managed the scene. The Deputies all pretty much handled things the same way.
They did away with Street Deputies and made all Commanders rotate into that position for a night. It didn't work (it was a disaster) and they are bringing back the Street Deputies.
Now they want to do away with Watch Commanders and have Lts and Sgts fill in. Hundreds of different opinoions on how to interpret our Orders? Raise your hand if you think this is a good idea for anyone, including the City that pays the lawsuits that will come from poorly handled situations. Initially I would think "It doesn't effect me", but it does.
Did you say that my check is not coming tommorrow!?
Oh, you didn't say that.
Well, then who gives a fuck what this department does?
No more Desk Sergeants, the new title is "Guy or Girl Who Does Desk Shit."
don't kid yourself , the patrolman will be doing most of the district supervisors work
Why, yes you DO sound like scab. You also sound like a jealous asshole.
Listen, you fucking stupid prick; we need to STICK TOGETHER here. The City is trying to fuck us (ALL OF US!) and we cannot let them divide us. As Lincoln said, "A house divided against itself cannot stand".
Lt.'s, Sgt's and PO's that do any work outside their grade will fill out an out-of-grade slip and promptly file a grievance for each and every instance that. Period.
Well if they want the Sgt.'s to do Watch Commanders work without the appropriate compensation, I say let it all go to hell. If they want me as a P.O. to do a Sgt.'s job without the proper compensation, that would be the last time they ever put me in charge of anything. I just would not do it. If ordered, I would claim ignorance and ask so many questions and take so long that they would never put me in that position again. That is why we have ranks and different pay rates. This is just a way for the city to save money and not have to promote anyone. Not with my help.
12/29/2011 01:29:00 AM
I can't agree more. Increase my liability and workload for no extra pay....NOT gonna happen in this lifetime.
West Side, Inside Do-Nothing said...
Wow. I feel bad for all those guys and gals that frequently work the desk downstairs as acting sergeant. Those folks (for the most part) know the duties better than 90% of the 'real' desk sergeants that I've had the (dis)pleasure of dealing with over the years.
Seems we're not the only ones getting it stuck balls-deep in our "Sally Ports" with this whole reconfiguration thingy.
12/29/2011 12:25:00 AM
Yep, That's me you're talking about. I loved working the road and never spent a minute longer in the station than I had to to get my prisoner into lockup. I studied, made it off the list, and am the desk sgt on occasion. The desk crew PO's haven't worked the street in 5 years, minimum. They couldn't tell you shit about handling a job, but they can tell you the amount of a TVB. By the way, if you read some of the reports your co-workers are writing you would understand why we just shake our heads.
This is the ultimate cost cutting type of system. You just get your underlings to learn a behavior through practice. This removes all status and levels. The promotional process is not needed therefore everyone is paid the same. Lower level pay saves money. The work still gets done but with no interest or pursuit. Enthusiasm becomes a dead issue. The model of North Korea.
Well I will bet my bottom dollar ,I will claim ignorancce , will do the job just to stay off the street. These are the same ass hats that tell us don't write movers or Parker's to show the city. When was the last time you been on the street? If you have less then 15 years on the sreet dont bitch. I myself, have 22 years on and still working the streets.
Oh delicious batman! They will now have a blue shirt acting as station supervisor in absence of sgt! Watch the conflicts fly! Lets understand you may have a copper with 5 years on,and no credible arrests telling a veteran how to do paperwork! Just what gmac wants his style fights!
I retired in 2010. I thank God everyday . Things are so bad it is almost like watching a terrible movie. My heart goes out to all the young officers who must deal with this ineptitude for years to come.
So a know it all house mouse wearing the same color shirt I am is going to tell me what is going to happen? Way to build morale, most of these kiss ass desk people are scared ego bitches, just look at the 3rd watch crew in 018 our gravy district complete incompetence and all ignorance. But just ask em and they know it all
the union wont do anything about this...forget it...and you watch all the sgt's who will be more than willing to do whatever is asked of them at no extra pay...im still waiting for the union to give me an answer as to why i was pushed out of my bid spot in the review office on 19-jun....all i hear from the union is "we'r looking into it".....
Hey Rahm, would you have taken a job and stayed at an entry level for your entire career? I did not think so either. Please do not mistake your arrogance as that of the actual working people in our city.
You Sir, should stop taking us for granted.
We shall see how appreciative and supportive you truly are of the CPD & CFD come May 2012, until then have your fun, keep kicking us while we are down.
XOXOXO to you too, SCC!
12/29/2011 01:13:00 AM
LOL that's what I think every time i see or hear XO!
How would Madden have handled this outrage?
You are receiving 8 hours of training. You are now qualified to be a watch commmander.
who cares!im still on midnights with little or no chance to move up!i gotta go handle my domestic job!
If you want to know how much time you have on the books, You can not call the 8th district time keeper from 1 Jan until 15 Jan, she is going to be to busy to help you. She posted a sign on the walls of 8. Hello John Q public you cant call the Police for two weeks because we are busy. WTF
He has avoided our contract by making up his own rules and playing word games. He is such a d@ck!!!
What's next? Are we going to go from being called districts to precincts....
It worked in New York What are you stupid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rahm and Garry have gone too far,,,,,something bad will happen and things will return to the way it was.
... stop hiding behind your contract because you might have to do the WC duties. Who gives a sh*t.. Your still in your warm little station still not doing much.
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Still in the station not doing much?
You forget they have to deal with stupid fucking arrogant assholes like you.
I was told that next week I am going to be the "Station Supervisor" BEFORE I get any training.
I can say this after 27 years . . I don't give a damn if the station burns to the ground . .
I don't give a shit if the city burns to the ground.
As long as all my guys go home safe - FUCK THIS DEPARTMENT!
Expect NOTHING from me ever again Mr. Mayor.
From the SGTS WEBSITE:
Station Supervisor Grievance
The Association has filed a grievance (SGT # 11-037) on behalf of the membership regarding the new special orders on District Station Supervisors. The Executive officer will normally assign a lieutenant to serve as the station supervisor. As it is apparent that this position may be staffed by a sergeant at times, a sergeant that is assigned as the station supervisor should submit an out-of-grade slip for the hours worked. Please keep copies of the out of grade slips, as well as any other proof (A&As) that you worked as a station supervisor and forward a copy to the Association. Only those sergeants that can prove that they worked in this capacity will be eligible for any remedy that is sought through this grievance. Our contract language on this matter is very clear in that a sergeant who is directed to perform substantially all of the duties and assumes substantially all of the responsibilities of a lieutenant shall be paid at the D-4 rate for the hours worked. As this grievance was filed as a class action, there is no need to file individual grievances for these matters. We will be keeping an eye on the lieutenant grievance to see if they get captain’s pay and may amend our grievance accordingly
As I see it, they are changing the job descriptions. And, the department probably will provide training to those who have had additional duties or changed duties in their job descriptions. Now for the police officer, whatever rank, who now, after training, refuses to do the job without more pay ? Then, I feel sorry for you for I believe the department will make YOU pay. If a sergeant is making the kind of money he does in the CPD, then you are a supervisor and can handle additional duties. You make much more then most managers in the private sector, believe me, much more. Unfortunately, the years of merit promotions and political promotions and the incompetents that made rank will now come home to roust and will show how truely stupid some of these people are. By the way, the Superintendent praised the commander of 007 saying that " Tony" is doing a wonderful job.
SCC:
I belive someone ON THIS BLOG suggested this entire plan about 10months ago?!
I remember someone writing about getting rid of "Desk Sergeants" to save money and replacing them with a "Bonding officer" with no "out of grade" pay.
I wish I could find the posting.
Amazing!
Someone in City Hall DOES read this blog!!
Hey everyone, does this post look familiar:
It was from 12 AUGUST 2011 under “Lieutenants Meeting”
Many of you criticized me as being a fool - but GUESS WHAT?
SOMEONE in either City Hall or Headquarters READ THIS IDEA and NOW they have made it a Special Order that will go into effect on
3 January 2012.
From 12 August 2011:
A 28 Year Sergeant said...
90% of police department’s do NOT have a desk sergeant.
It is an unnecessary overpaid position of large democratic big cities with over-bloated spending in their budgets.
A police sergeant is a supervisor who should ideally supervise 8 to 10 officers.
What does a desk sergeant in Chicago do? He sits at the desk with 2 officers who handle all the citizens who come into the station.
The desk sergeant’s main responsibility is bonding out misdemeanor offenders that the watch commander gives approval to bond out. He writes the I-bonds, gets the endless about of paperwork that goes with the I-Bond or the felony packages together. He also holds the key to the property safe.
Basically a lot of paperwork duties.
A $95,000.00 @ year Sergeant should not be doing this just to supervise 2 P.O.s that work the desk.
Sure, it’s nice to have a desk sergeant to smooth over someone who comes in with a beef about a copper however what do they do in other cities? Make the citizen wait and call a sergeant in off the street.
If the city was smart they would have 3 officers on the desk instead of 2.
One of the officers would be designated as the “bonding officer”.
He would write all the I-Bond’s and get the paperwork ready for felony offenders and others going to court.
He would also sign for the safe key and release prisoners property.
The general order would have to be re-written so that the “desk sergeant” or “acting desk sergeant” would be permanently taken out.
The city would save the cost of 75 desk sergeant positions at the cost of 75 x $100,000+ @ year. (Don’t forget the extra supervisor’s quarterly and O.T that comes with the pay.
In all there are no more than 8 to 10 officers working in a district station. That is enough for the watch commander to supervise.
AND SPEAKING OF THE WATCH COMMANDER WHO MAKES $130,000 @ YEAR:
Once the department is down to under 20 CAPTAINS, The department should send them off auditing as inspectors or to other command spots to get rid of many of the unnecessary exempt spots. (ie; bullshit commanders in bullshit units)
The watch commander general order should be rewritten to make ONLY lieutenants watch commanders without any out of grade pay (captains pay) If the orders are rewritten getting rid of the “desk sergeant” and Captain/9175 as the watch commander.
The FOP and the lieutenants unions cannot win a grievance regarding these now defunct positions
NOW . .
about all these fucking take home cars . . . .
8/12/2011 05:46:00 AM
Question: Is non-duty disability pension money paid out of our pension fund? The pension board has to make the determination to pay an officer that benefit I just wondered where that money comes from.
The officer is quite right. I will never call McSnuff McGruff again. Sorry to all little nice doggies out there!
SCC you really should put a like button in your comments section.
12/29/2011 06:44:00 AM
Why so you can pretend you are a teenager on facebook and like every stupid comment that every idiot makes about their life? ie:
It's 4:30 and I'm taking a shit!!!
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Hello Lieutenants Association and FOP. When is the injunctions to stop all this nonsense? This is total bullshit and against our contract. Sergeants Union you need to file a grievence ASAP.
The program is a five-week intensive course of study that will assist in the development of future leaders and managers within the Chicago Police Department.
It will be a clout suck fest. Best one gets the gold star. Slurp slurp
If you had a good Watch Commander who cared about you and treated you fairly, you are really, really going to miss them now. This is going to be a disaster.
Shit, Boss. I haven't had such a thing in 4+ years.....
If you think they arent doing much, step up, and volunteer. Im sure you were one of the first to bitch when you had to canvass a scene at a burglary job. Hey thats a detectives job, Im not doing that was you first bitch.
12/29/2011 09:02:00 AM
And guess what? I still don't canvass. Just wondering, does your computer have an apostrophe key?
If you want to know how much time you have on the books, You can not call the 8th district time keeper from 1 Jan until 15 Jan, she is going to be to busy to help you. She posted a sign on the walls of 8. Hello John Q public you cant call the Police for two weeks because we are busy. WTF
12/29/2011 01:37:00 PM
Well here's an idea, keep track of your own time in that little fop book they give you or go see her before January 1st. Do we have to hold your hand for everything?
Anonymous said...
Years ago they had 4 or 5 Street Deputies. They came to all the major crime scenes and managed the scene. The Deputies all pretty much handled things the same way.
They did away with Street Deputies and made all Commanders rotate into that position for a night. It didn't work (it was a disaster) and they are bringing back the Street Deputies.
Now they want to do away with Watch Commanders and have Lts and Sgts fill in. Hundreds of different opinoions on how to interpret our Orders? Raise your hand if you think this is a good idea for anyone, including the City that pays the lawsuits that will come from poorly handled situations. Initially I would think "It doesn't effect me", but it does.
12/29/2011 10:17:00 AM
Not exactly. The street deputies were replaced by all the deputy chiefs and (former) assistant deputy superintendents (there were 10-13 of them at any given time) who rotated on a weekly basis. You are right in the sense that it didn't work. No consistency ....
29/2011 03:59:00 PM
Anonymous said...
Question: Is non-duty disability pension money paid out of our pension fund? The pension board has to make the determination to pay an officer that benefit I just wondered where that money comes from.
12/29/2011 04:07:00 PM
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The simple answer is yes, and it is a category of expense in the annual report. It is my understanding though that the city pays their share of your hospitalization insurance and their share of the pension contribution. The individual pays his share of hospitalization and ension.
The best thing to do if you need a definitive answer is to call the pension board
Ring ring...hello deputy....RWOC? YES there's not enough to hold him. Am I the commander? No but I did stay are red roof inn last night. LIFM
12/29/2011 03:58:00 AM
Ok, either read what you write or put the bottle down.
Anyways this is like the old Groucho joke of not wanting to be in any club that would take him as a member. The problem with this will be the Sgts afraid to work the streets, you know the petty conniving sneaky back stabbing ones, will now be in charge of the stations? In the end all work will be delegated down rank and ends up on po's back anyway.
If you want to know how much time you have on the books, You can not call the 8th district time keeper from 1 Jan until 15 Jan, she is going to be to busy to help you. She posted a sign on the walls of 8. Hello John Q public you cant call the Police for two weeks because we are busy. WTF
I'm that timekeeper so you can kiss my ass, Be man or woman enough to come and say it to my face.
A 28 Year Sergeant said...
Hey everyone, does this post look familiar:
It was from 12 AUGUST 2011 under “Lieutenants Meeting”
Many of you criticized me as being a fool - but GUESS WHAT?
SOMEONE in either City Hall or Headquarters READ THIS IDEA and NOW they have made it a Special Order that will go into effect on
3 January 2012.
From 12 August 2011:
A 28 Year Sergeant said...
90% of police department’s do NOT have a desk sergeant.
It is an unnecessary overpaid position of large democratic big cities with over-bloated spending in their budgets.
A police sergeant is a supervisor who should ideally supervise 8 to 10 officers.
What does a desk sergeant in Chicago do? He sits at the desk with 2 officers who handle all the citizens who come into the station.
The desk sergeant’s main responsibility is bonding out misdemeanor offenders that the watch commander gives approval to bond out. He writes the I-bonds, gets the endless about of paperwork that goes with the I-Bond or the felony packages together. He also holds the key to the property safe.
Basically a lot of paperwork duties.
A $95,000.00 @ year Sergeant should not be doing this just to supervise 2 P.O.s that work the desk.
Sure, it’s nice to have a desk sergeant to smooth over someone who comes in with a beef about a copper however what do they do in other cities? Make the citizen wait and call a sergeant in off the street.
If the city was smart they would have 3 officers on the desk instead of 2.
One of the officers would be designated as the “bonding officer”.
He would write all the I-Bond’s and get the paperwork ready for felony offenders and others going to court.
He would also sign for the safe key and release prisoners property.
The general order would have to be re-written so that the “desk sergeant” or “acting desk sergeant” would be permanently taken out.
The city would save the cost of 75 desk sergeant positions at the cost of 75 x $100,000+ @ year. (Don’t forget the extra supervisor’s quarterly and O.T that comes with the pay.
In all there are no more than 8 to 10 officers working in a district station. That is enough for the watch commander to supervise.
AND SPEAKING OF THE WATCH COMMANDER WHO MAKES $130,000 @ YEAR:
Once the department is down to under 20 CAPTAINS, The department should send them off auditing as inspectors or to other command spots to get rid of many of the unnecessary exempt spots. (ie; bullshit commanders in bullshit units)
The watch commander general order should be rewritten to make ONLY lieutenants watch commanders without any out of grade pay (captains pay) If the orders are rewritten getting rid of the “desk sergeant” and Captain/9175 as the watch commander.
The FOP and the lieutenants unions cannot win a grievance regarding these now defunct positions
NOW . .
about all these fucking take home cars . . . .
8/12/2011 05:46:00 AM
12/29/2011 03:59:00 PM
So we should say thank you? Do you want a ribbon?
You are receiving 8 hours of training. You are now qualified to be a watch commmander.
Sgt's already did W/C duties when the W/C would hit the street, so it's no big difference.
So a know it all house mouse wearing the same color shirt I am is going to tell me what is going to happen?
Once again, they already do it as actors, get over it.
PBPA - SGTS said...
From the SGTS WEBSITE:
Station Supervisor Grievance
The Association has filed a grievance (SGT # 11-037) on behalf of the membership regarding the new special orders on District Station Supervisors. The Executive officer will normally assign a lieutenant to serve as the station supervisor. As it is apparent that this position may be staffed by a sergeant at times, a sergeant that is assigned as the station supervisor should submit an out-of-grade slip for the hours worked. Please keep copies of the out of grade slips, as well as any other proof (A&As) that you worked as a station supervisor and forward a copy to the Association. Only those sergeants that can prove that they worked in this capacity will be eligible for any remedy that is sought through this grievance. Our contract language on this matter is very clear in that a sergeant who is directed to perform substantially all of the duties and assumes substantially all of the responsibilities of a lieutenant shall be paid at the D-4 rate for the hours worked. As this grievance was filed as a class action, there is no need to file individual grievances for these matters. We will be keeping an eye on the lieutenant grievance to see if they get captain’s pay and may amend our grievance accordingly
12/29/2011 03:16:00 PM
Too bad you guys weren't so diligent when it came to selling out by agreeing to a wellness program. No sympathy from us p.o.'s. You guys sold out several times, which affects everyone below you and now its an unfortunate coincidence that now you got sold out by the Captains. Sorry.
What this all really means is that there is now absolutely no chance for advancement in your career as a police officer.
Should they dedice to promote detectives, you can be assured that the new ones will be traveling to Area 2 on midnights for a whopping $4K per year raise. Thus, only a fool or a southsider would take this promotion.
Also, since they aren't promoting captins anymore, the only lieutenant vacancies will be through attrition. And with sergeants now filling in as "station supervisors", you better believe they won't be promoting lieutenants in any kind of numbers anytime soon. Hell, I'd be amazed if they promoted any at all. If the city is allowed to get away with this, they will most certainly let the lieutenants go the way of the captains and phase them out through attrition as well.
So what does this all mean? It means that if you're wearing a blue shirt, you're going to keep on wearing it for the rest of your career with no opportunity for advancement. And if you're already a sergeant, congratulations! You're soon to be the highest ranking career service members of the department.
- A Lieutenant Who Knows
Question: Is non-duty disability pension money paid out of our pension fund? The pension board has to make the determination to pay an officer that benefit I just wondered where that money comes from.
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There are 3 types of disability:
Duty, Occupational, Ordinary. All of which are paid out of our pension fund.
Duty - on duty related
Occupational - heart related or disease caught at work
Ordinary - non duty related
Duty - 75 percent of salary tax free, prescriptions paid
Occupational - 65 percent of salary tax free, prescriptions paid
Ordinary - 50 percent of salary, you pay taxes and prescriptions
Go to the Chicago Police Pension website. You can pull up reports for each year on where all the money comes from and where all the money goes out to.
Just a comment, if you take a look at the disability reports on that website, you will see that most of the disability monies going out is for duty related.
As I see it, they are changing the job descriptions. And, the department probably will provide training to those who have had additional duties or changed duties in their job descriptions. Now for the police officer, whatever rank, who now, after training, refuses to do the job without more pay ? Then, I feel sorry for you for I believe the department will make YOU pay. If a sergeant is making the kind of money he does in the CPD, then you are a supervisor and can handle additional duties. You make much more then most managers in the private sector, believe me, much more. Unfortunately, the years of merit promotions and political promotions and the incompetents that made rank will now come home to roust and will show how truely stupid some of these people are. By the way, the Superintendent praised the commander of 007 saying that " Tony" is doing a wonderful job.
12/29/2011 03:27:00 PM
As I see it, you couldn't pass a first-semester college English class. Your submission is a classic display of poor syntax and an argument constructed on a base of sand, not even clay. Learn to spell and write, then get back to me. ASSHAT. Can you spell that and use it in a sentence? Don't bother responding. You can't win.
I retired in 2010. I thank God everyday . Things are so bad it is almost like watching a terrible movie. My heart goes out to all the young officers who must deal with this ineptitude for years to come.
12/29/2011 12:00:00 PM
Thank you. I hope you have a long, healthy retirement. I have the years, but not the age. Only the second time in my life I wanted to be older--first, to be legal drinking age.
I have two words of advice. They are probably the most important words of advice you should adhere to without fail in the coming days:
DOCUMENT EVERYTHING.
Anonymous said...
He has avoided our contract by making up his own rules and playing word games. He is such a d@ck!!!
12/29/2011 01:41:00 PM
He is only going by posts and suggestions submitted here on this blog by our uber intelligent police personnel of all ranks who promote their stellar money saving ideas. Can't blame the Supt for this one....
Anonymous said...
Why, yes you DO sound like scab. You also sound like a jealous asshole.
Listen, you fucking stupid prick; we need to STICK TOGETHER here. The City is trying to fuck us (ALL OF US!) and we cannot let them divide us. As Lincoln said, "A house divided against itself cannot stand".
12/29/2011 11:13:00 AM
You mean like the scabs Sergeant Assoc. who agreed to the wellness insurance? Yes the are STICKING TOGETHER with us all. Now I see what you mean. NOT!
Sergeants in the Detective Division have been working as W/C's forever without any additional compensation. They have all the same authories on CLEAR that a Captain and Lt. has with the additional responsibilities of ensuring victims rights are not denied, ERI protocal is followed, detective supplementaries are ready for court, 48 hour rule is adhered to, the list can go on forever, the point being is that the new regime is going to try to get more out of everyone on this job so they can streamline the manpower and save money. The responsibility will fall on the person doing the job, we've already seen the shit roll down hill from the Det. Div. Commanders past the Lt's to the Sgts. The Detectives have more contractual rights than the Sgts. All I have to say is good luck to all of you, I hope it all turns out better than we think or we're all in big trouble.
"...In all there are no more than 8 to 10 officers working in a district station. That is enough for the watch commander to supervise. ..."
8/12/2011 05:46:00 AM
12/29/2011 03:59:00 PM
That was from Mcjersey, or a Mcjerseycrat!
Go back where you came from. A WATCH COMMANDER is responsible for the whole watch, as IN ALL employees, sworn and civilian, on his watch, in the station or on the street, in court or anywhere.
Anonymous said.....
And if you were a sergeant, you would be the first one bitching! Why all the hatred? This is the problem we have right now - we DO NOT KNOW HOW TO STICK TOGETHER!!!
What they do to sergeants today, they will do to POs tomorrow. Don't be so shallow and simple that you cannot think this situation through to the end.
12/29/2011 07:08:00 AM
Glad you said that. Its good to see that you recognize how decisions that affect you affect us. Those are my thoughts too. Guess we will be forced to take the health plan you guys agreed to. Thanks for looking out for us.
A 28 Year Sergeant said...
Hey everyone, does this post look familiar:
It was from 12 AUGUST 2011 under “Lieutenants Meeting”
Many of you criticized me as being a fool - but GUESS WHAT?
SOMEONE in either City Hall or Headquarters READ THIS IDEA and NOW they have made it a Special Order that will go into effect on
3 January 2012.
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HOLY CRAP!!!!!
The city got the idea for this from this blog?!?!?!?
Fucking company men sellouts. -lt.
Effective 01st period 2012 offenders will now be referred to as "PERPS." So let it be written, so let it be done.
Love,
Garry Mack Daddy Mc Carthy
Red Lightening, the more you post, the more foolish you look. Remember the story of Rumplestiltskin? When the fair maiden guessed his name, he got so angry, the little troll stamped his feet so hard, and he stamped and he stamped, until he disappeared into the ground.
Question: Is non-duty disability pension money paid out of our pension fund? The pension board has to make the determination to pay an officer that benefit I just wondered where that money comes from.
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There are 3 types of disability:
Duty, Occupational, Ordinary. All of which are paid out of our pension fund.
Duty - on duty related
Occupational - heart related or disease caught at work
Ordinary - non duty related
Duty - 75 percent of salary tax free, prescriptions paid
Occupational - 65 percent of salary tax free, prescriptions paid
Ordinary - 50 percent of salary, you pay taxes and prescriptions
Go to the Chicago Police Pension website. You can pull up reports for each year on where all the money comes from and where all the money goes out to.
Just a comment, if you take a look at the disability reports on that website, you will see that most of the disability monies going out is for duty related.
12/29/2011 06:42:00 PM
Thank you for the comprehensive explanation. Makes me wonder if there is an attempt to further bankrupt the pension by forcing so many officers to go on it.
Sounds to me like the watch secretary will now be the one really in charge. Buy that girl some coffee!
Sergeants in the Detective Division have been working as W/C's forever without any additional compensation. They have all the same authories on CLEAR that a Captain and Lt. has with the additional responsibilities of ensuring victims rights are not denied, ERI protocal is followed, detective supplementaries are ready for court, 48 hour rule is adhered to, the list can go on forever, the point being is that the new regime is going to try to get more out of everyone on this job so they can streamline the manpower and save money. The responsibility will fall on the person doing the job, we've already seen the shit roll down hill from the Det. Div. Commanders past the Lt's to the Sgts. The Detectives have more contractual rights than the Sgts. All I have to say is good luck to all of you, I hope it all turns out better than we think or we're all in big trouble.
12/29/2011 07:25:00 PM
Ummm....No
Are they responsible for the lockup...no
Do they approved probable cause....no
Do they approved final charging.....no
Do they approve inventories......no
Do they release property....no
Do they do TRR's......no
You obviously do not know what you are talking about. At least from the patrol aspect.
These whining white shirts who are complaining they actually have to do something. funny.Don't they get 45 minutes a day in comp time every single day they work? earning 45 minutes a day in compensatory time and leave at the same time a officer does if not earlier depending on whos who? Sergeants make nearly $100 grand a year and lieutenants and captains make well over that. Poor baby. officers get in a beat car and get treated like less then a cigarette butt on street every day by not only the great citizens but our own bosses for LESS money and no comp time. c.p.d. life is a mystery
Well here's an idea, keep track of your own time in that little fop book they give you or go see her before January 1st. Do we have to hold your hand for everything?
12/29/2011 05:12:00 PM
How about you just do your job you lazy fuck?
i will give everone off no problem fuck the city
Why does it matter what happens behind the desk. It truly is a waste of police services. We have about 10-15 officer working indoors and it results into over paid paper pusher. We all joined the department to put bad guys/gals away instead we putting officers inside to watch tv, play on the Internet, talk all watch and I can keep going.
So please explain why this is going to be a problem because I don't see it. More officer on the streets makes it safer. Unless they are very unsafe officers them please push paper around in tue station because we don't want you on the street, but I will say please let the officer willing to work to go back on the streets and leave the office work to the wanna be police
The leadership, or I should the misleadership, sold us out on the wellness health care plan. It was never put out or up for a vote. City hall is gonna rahm this through F.O.P. with out even a word to the membership, same as it happened to PBPA. The CFD misleaders did the exact same thing to their membership. Did the members of local 2 vote on it? Nope.
On another not, the word games of a politician: Change the title of the Watch commander, Field Lt, and desk Sergeant to a new title to void out contraactual problems is a smooth Rahm move. Just like when he said he was gonna put 1000 new officers on the street during his campaign. Are their a 1000 new officers? No just 1000 officers from disbanned units that were saturating high crime districs reassigned on paper to the same districts.
Hey Rahm can you get around the parking meter debacle by renaming parking meters.
>>>Anonymous said...
You are receiving 8 hours of training. You are now qualified to be a watch commmander.
Sgt's already did W/C duties when the W/C would hit the street, so it's no big difference.
12/29/2011 06:07:00 PM<<<
The Desk Sergeant may have the W.C.'s PC# and pass word but he/she better be on the phone if it is anything of consequence. When the boss returns he better review any arrests that the Sergeant may have approved unless he is really trusting and can recommend that person for promotion. You can deligate the authority, but not the responsibility.
This is the management of the CPD:
Corporate filly
The Dakota Indians of North America passed on this piece of wisdom from generation by word of mouth - "If you are riding a dead horse the best thing to do is dismount". However in the corporate world because of the heavy investment factor other things to be tried, (but not limited to) are the following
buy a stronger whip
change riders
threaten the horse with termination
appoint a committee to study the horse
arrange to visit other sites to see how they ride dead horses
lower the standards so dead horses can be included
appoint an intervention team to reanimate the horse
create a training session to increase the riders load share
reclassify the horse as `living impaired'
change the form so it reads "This horse is not dead"
hire outside contractors to ride the dead horse
harness several dead horses together for increased speed and efficiency
donate the dead horse to a recognised charity therefore deducting its full original cost
provide additional funding to increase horse's performance
do a time management study to see if lighter riders would improve productivity
purchase an after market product that makes dead horses run faster
declare the dead horse has lower overheads and is therefore more cost effective
form a quality focus group to find profitable uses for dead horses
rewrite the performance requirements for horses
and finally if all else fails.....promote the dead horse into a supervisory (management) position
To 10:34, Obviously Det Div Sgt's don't approve P/C for lockups for again obvious reasons, but we do approve inventories(lots of them) TRR's when one of our members are involved, release of property (lots of them), remember, just because I'm a Sgt in the D doesn't mean I haven't worked in patrol and yes, I've been a desk Sgt too on many occasions, so again, yes, I know what is done in patrol. So shut the fuck up until you know both sides of the fence.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
A 28 Year Sergeant said...
Hey everyone, does this post look familiar:
It was from 12 AUGUST 2011 under “Lieutenants Meeting”
Many of you criticized me as being a fool - but GUESS WHAT?
SOMEONE in either City Hall or Headquarters READ THIS IDEA and NOW they have made it a Special Order that will go into effect on
3 January 2012.
----------------------
HOLY CRAP!!!!!
The city got the idea for this from this blog?!?!?!?
12/29/2011 08:07:00 PM
Maybe, just maybe, someone from O'neil's office posted that plan on the blog. Take a survey, find where the resistance will be and in that way be better prepared for the resistance/grievances when the order is implemented.
Anonymous said...
Sergeants in the Detective Division have been working as W/C's forever without any additional compensation. They have all the same authories on CLEAR that a Captain and Lt. has with the additional responsibilities of ensuring victims rights are not denied, ERI protocal is followed, detective supplementaries are ready for court, 48 hour rule is adhered to, the list can go on forever, the point being is that the new regime is going to try to get more out of everyone on this job so they can streamline the manpower and save money. The responsibility will fall on the person doing the job, we've already seen the shit roll down hill from the Det. Div. Commanders past the Lt's to the Sgts. The Detectives have more contractual rights than the Sgts. All I have to say is good luck to all of you, I hope it all turns out better than we think or we're all in big trouble.
12/29/2011 07:25:00 PM
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As one who has been in both positions over the years I have to tell you that there is absolutely no comparison between a W/C in the Detective Division and a Patrol Division W/C. When either job is done correctly the Patrol W/C has infinitely more resonsibilities. The lockup, approving/disapproving probably cause, final charging, ensuring that inventory and bonding procedures are being followed, approving I-Bonds, ensuring the proper and timely procesing of prisoners, ensuring that Detective Division respond to felony arrests when needed (it has always been the Patrol W/C that has that final decision), ensuring that prisoners in or signed out of his lockup are sent to court as required including ensuring that the 48 hour rule is followed, ensuring that street supervisors and personnel are responding to assignments properly. Taking responsibility for preparation of daily and monthly assignments, monitoring trouble areas of the district, and on and on. In addition the patrol W/C is expected to be responsible for the district facility and it cleanliness and repair and inspect parking lots for improperly licensed vehicles. I could also go on about TRR's and responsibility for resisting arrest cases, and police involved shootings, but I think you get thepicture. Proper handling of the patrol W/C job requires a great deal of input and effort. Detective Div. W/C has none of those responsibilities. That doesn't mean that their job is trivial it is not, but the two do not compare. If you think that they do, you obviously have never sat in the district W/C's chair.
So basically they made Captains the District Manager.......and Lt.s are glorified Sgt.s with more pay. And the only difference between a Sgt. And Lt is not just the pay, but the Lt. Can sign off on a TRR.......hmmm mm
To the bitter Po, who posted what a sgt. Earns and told sgts. to quit hiding behind a contract, are are such an illiterate moron. That's the idea of a contract. It would be similar to saying to you, do away with ur contract, no more time and a half for overtime and also do the sgts job, you little bitter man. Have fun retiring kissing bosses asses, now get back to work and mind your own job.
8 hrs of training, Lts are in class longer than that. There will be out of grade pay, its another rank.
Forward a TRR, TO THE TACT Lt. , really ? What about Midnites? Some tact Lts. Work days 9-5, what about 3 rd watch in that case? Ridiculous
Enjoyed the comment someone posted re. The writer of the scab comment, " did your mother have any children that lived" hahahaha
Yeah and unfortunately he may or may not be the police......hope he's not . To be that stupid and carry a weapon is scary.
Sounds to me like the watch secretary will now be the one really in charge. Buy that girl some coffee!
12/29/2011 09:50:00 PM
I agree. Under this new fucked up plan you'll find the most continuity in the regular Watch Secretary and regular desk officers. The rest of it...not so much.
As I see it, you couldn't pass a first-semester college English class:
But Sir, I did pass english class. You must be a stupid liberal who instead of discussing the points makes up some phony criticism of the writer. I see it coming, but you do not and are relying on a union grivance process which will leave you sorely disappointed. Go tell the public that you make 100 grand a year and will not take on more management responsibility ?
As I see it, you couldn't pass a first-semester college English class. Your submission is a classic display of poor syntax and an argument constructed on a base of sand, not even clay. Learn to spell and write, then get back to me. ASSHAT. Can you spell that and use it in a sentence? Don't bother responding. You can't win.
12/29/2011 06:48:00 PM
Buddy, why are you so angry? So critical ? You are the one with issues. You need to cool it. The man was just expressing thoughts. No need for the mean attack.
Back to earth , the most important thing to remember . Most captains/XO's should be wearing a blue shirt , they never passed a test . Watch secretary , patrolman did 95 % of the captains work.
Well here's an idea, keep track of your own time in that little fop book they give you or go see her before January 1st. Do we have to hold your hand for everything?
12/29/2011 05:12:00 PM
How about you just do your job you lazy fuck?
12/30/2011 03:03:00 AM
Sorry junior time keeper is not my job. Soon to be retired P.O. is though. And in all my years I have been able to keep track of my time on the books on my own. Really, stop having others do everything for you "you stupid fuck"
As I see it, you couldn't pass a first-semester college English class:
But Sir, I did pass english class. You must be a stupid liberal who instead of discussing the points makes up some phony criticism of the writer. I see it coming, but you do not and are relying on a union grivance process which will leave you sorely disappointed. Go tell the public that you make 100 grand a year and will not take on more management responsibility ?
12/30/2011 04:47:00 PM
I posted the response to you. Someone pointed out that perhaps I was a little mean to you, so I won't point out your glaring disregard for the English language.
I am a detective. I scored under 50 when I took the test. I'm not from this city or state, did not belong to a study group, and have no clout. None.
I took the first part of the last test they gave for sergeant, then did not follow through. If you stop to consider that the rank of sergeant is the worst job in the department, you would realize that they earn their $100K and more.
As a sgt. you are responsible for a varying number of officers who have been given authority by the State of Illinois to enforce laws, and to use force, in some instances deadly force, in the performance of their duties.
As a police officer, you are 'on-duty' 24/7. We walk around with targets on our backs. Even off-duty, I have come across numerous situations where I had to 'be the police'.
For you to diminish the responsibilities of being a police officer, or a 'manager' as you said, is an insult to us all. When we were sworn in, we knew that we might have to make the ultimate sacrifice. Put a price on that. Spend time with family members who have lost their loved ones, police officers, who are no longer with us.
Go ask some 'manager' at a bank, or a real estate office, or McDonald's, if making the ultimate sacrifice is part of their duties, or if they are willing to do such, and if so, for what price.
So, I'm sorry if I'm being critical, but 'fuck you'. Go ahead and denigrate the positions we hold. I'm not the liberal here, you are.
Well here's an idea, keep track of your own time in that little fop book they give you or go see her before January 1st. Do we have to hold your hand for everything?
12/29/2011 05:12:00 PM
How about you just do your job you lazy fuck?
12/30/2011 03:03:00 AM
Sorry junior time keeper is not my job. Soon to be retired P.O. is though. And in all my years I have been able to keep track of my time on the books on my own. Really, stop having others do everything for you "you stupid fuck"
12/30/2011 06:27:00 PM
Oh you're not the time keeper? Then mind your own fucking business. Im sure in all your years you have always had the exact same number of hours and p/b days as the time keeper. Some of us are not as lucky as you. That all being said, it is SOMEBODIES job, and it really doesn't matter what you marked in your book because that is NOT the official number. You would think somebody about to retire would realize that you need to have the correct amount of time reflected on the books and the only way to do that is to get a count from the timekeeper. If you think your going to get a check from the city for your comp time with FOP book then you are a fool.
I am certain that the first day that this plan is actually implemented, there will be grievances filed
I took the first part of the last test they gave for sergeant, then did not follow through. If you stop to consider that the rank of sergeant is the worst job in the department, you would realize that they earn their $100K and more.
Is that your excuse??
I am a detective. I scored under 50 when I took the test. I'm not from this city or state, did not belong to a study group, and have no clout. None.
I bet you are a property crimes detective. Now that is an overpaid job. You would need a good sommand of the language to write all of those reports. Maybe you should be paid on clear-up??
I am sure that there will be some grevances filed. I would think the department expects that and are planning on it. I would also bet that what they are doing is on legal advice that the city will prevail. Arbitration is risky and often splits the difference. If job titles are eliminated and job descriptions changes, the city probably has a strong position. I would also bet that most sergeants and lieutenants welcome the increased responsibility and status.
What spots do Commander Adama and XO Tigh get? G-Mac watching too much BSG?
Oh you're not the time keeper? Then mind your own fucking business. Im sure in all your years you have always had the exact same number of hours and p/b days as the time keeper. Some of us are not as lucky as you. That all being said, it is SOMEBODIES job, and it really doesn't matter what you marked in your book because that is NOT the official number. You would think somebody about to retire would realize that you need to have the correct amount of time reflected on the books and the only way to do that is to get a count from the timekeeper. If you think your going to get a check from the city for your comp time with FOP book then you are a fool.
12/31/2011 10:59:00 AM
It really is your responsibility to keep track of your time. You can ask the timekeeper but if you have nothing to go by how would you know if it's wrong
this program sucks. LT has to approve inventories and arrests. wanna go on time? good luck if there is a police shooting or something major, NO ONE WILL BE ABLE TO APPROVE SHIT! NO ONE! which brings us to our prior topics. to be the police or not to be... that is the question. be safe everyone!
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