CFD Hoff Leaving
Must be nice to have a boss who (A) actually served in the capacity of those he supervises and (B) is popular:
- Chicago Fire Commissioner Robert Hoff plans to announce his resignation on Thursday, the head of the firefighters union said Wednesday night.
Chicago Firefighters Union Local 2 President Thomas Ryan announced Hoff’s planned departure at a union meeting. Ryan told fire union members that Hoff had told him “it was time to go.”
Another source familiar with the situation called Hoff's resignation “imminent” and said it is for personal reasons, not because of any policy differences with new Mayor Rahm Emanuel.
They all say that, don't they? Especially when it's over policy differences.
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posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
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Medical leave:
In an earlier post someone suggested that the 365 medical will be revised or limited to the total 365 during time spent on the job.
This is a contractual agreement the union cannot allow to change. Numerous studies have shown that employees perform their duties more honestly and with dedication if they feel that their employer is legitimately working to address their concerns.
Using medical time for legitimate reasons can benefit both sides on running a long time operation. This is not a private company where you can replace a functioning position in a matter of days. What is wrong with giving someone the time off to go to cancer treatment for 6 months and returning to duty? The employer is the beneficiary even with multiple medical usage. The loss of experience, knowledge, skills and abilities will be disastrous if lost to such a ridiculous change in policy.
The medical integrity checks and balances in place is your balance for ensuring proper use. Keep it! Enhance it! Refine it!
The FOP, its members, affiliates, supporters as well as the employer should recognize that this subject is dear to many functioning employees who occasionally use medical time and even to the ones who legitimately and repeatedly use it.
If your neighbor is shoveling your snow, you will absolutely will make sure that his house is safe and secure every time you walk the block, when he is sleeping, away from home, ...
Every one is seeing $$ signs but if you work the numbers towards efficiency, dedication, experience, and keeping skills, then the winner is not the employee but the many own lives that everyone is claiming they are trying to protect.
God bless.
Has Rahm decided to close firehouses in spite of Hoffs' opposition?
"Hoff leaves as the union is about to start negotiations on a new contract with the city. In October, Emanuel said he would not rule out trying to cut the number of firefighters per truck or closing firehouses to save money.
Emanuel was responding to Hoff’s testimony at a budget hearing that he's “deathly against” closing firehouses and reducing truck staffing."
Something is rotten in the state of Denmark!
WTF? Why would he SUDDENLY leave just 10 weeks before G8/NATO???
Sorry, but for a guy who claims to genuinely care for his people, he sure is leaving them in a lurch at a most inopportune time!
And was that resignation effective immediately?
I know we're not firefighters over here, but something sure isn't right about this. Looking forward to hearing the real scoop from the smoke eaters on this one.
Personal reasons eh?
Well with less then 45 days to the start of the apocalypse, personally, I don't think that it's a bad idea. You have time to clean up your affairs and get out of town.
There were numerous posts here when he publicly called for more manpower, saying 'watch for him to resign in a couple of months'. We knew Emanuel wouldn't tolerate that.
Damn, what a shame. Sorry, CFD; looks like you're losing a good one.
I can't even imagine being in direct contact with the vicious Racoon. I am sure Comm. Hoff got out because nobody could please this mother fucker mayor we have. Any fireman I have ever spoke with had high praise for Hoff. Good guys would never last under the reign of the Racoon. Enjoy your retirement Comm. Hoff!
What did Emanuel do now?
Its all about the CFD budget! Comm Hoff WONT let manpower go below a safe working level for the Fire Department and City. Rahm said "too bad I want more cuts". Hoff will leave with his dignity intact.
You could be the most knowledgeable, hardest working policeman on the CPD and get past over for promotion by those who know & blow.
So how do you motivate the non clouted blue shirts ?
There's no doubt he's being squeezed out by Rahm.
Hoff was a fair boss and spoke up for his firemen and had their backs.....Rahm has no use for someone like that.
Strap in FD because you guys are next on Rahm's agenda.
Yes, Emanuel must have gotten his revenge for Hoff demanding more manpower.
Watch for another New York wonder to come in and SAVE us. Yippee.
HOFF for MAYOR!
G8/NATO may dump Rahm like the Blizzard that dumped Michael Bilandic and gave us the best Mayor we ever had, Jane Byrne.
God Help Us!
Yeah. He personally doesn't like the Mayor.
McShotglass just shit a brick . He knows that Hoff's
exit makes him look even more like a shameless yes man. Hoff couldnt stand the little shit. Hoff has integrity. I am sure McIntox can't stand him either but he has no integrity. Rahm wants immediate adherance to orders. Hoff told him publicly"you have no idea what you are talking about." For the children my balls.
Rahmie the Commie stomped his tiny dancer foot til he got his way. Changes coming to CFD cuz what Rhamie the Commie wants he gets.
Good Luck Commissioner Hoff, you are definitely an asset where ever you are going.
Posted as a comment on the Sun-Times story:
"God Bless you Chief
May you collect more pension checks than paychecks.
Wouldn't it be wonderful if the Chief would run for Mayor.
The upcoming G8/NATO disaster could be like the blizzard which fell Michael Bilandic. At least with the blizzard, that was God given and mishandled by Bilandic. G8/NATO is all Rahm who thinks he is God. Who else would invite that costly in blood and money disaster to their town.
We could only imagine what will happen if Rahm tries to bring in another outsider, another hatchetman like he did with Police, Public Hosing, Schools and Libraries to do the dirty work.
Stay safe, I think the CFD rank and file would revolt and we should support them. "
Here's the real reason he's leaving.
Continuing pressure from City Hall on BS issues annoying him to the point even a gentleman like him can't take it.
Racoon Eyes wants him out because: [a] Police Superintendent - white; [b} OEMC Executive Director - white; [c] Fire Commissioner - white.
Enough said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Significant changes are forthcoming for CFD. Aside from known contractual squabbles involving FFs per truck or potentially closing firehouses, here's the spicey meat ball -- Rahm wants 12 hour days! Hoff decided to leave before the extent of contract concessions surfaced.
Also, you'll NEVER see another commisioner like him. Rahm will appoint a politician dressed in uniform; someone who will absorb the blunt of criticism from rank and file but also serve as a mouthpiece for the mayor's demands.
This was a true boss! Happy retirement! ......now OFF TOPIC......I'm Cpd and just completed G8 training and am "embarrassed" to say the least at our so called "leaders". One moron that comes to mind is AZ from 011. This idiot was in my G8 class and REFUSED to do the active squirmish lines in the gym. Why u may ask??? Because he couldn't walk, yell orders, use his baton at the same time!!!! So what do most professionals do in a situation like that??....... He sat out and refused to do it. The instructors had to call their supervisors and a CR was initiated! AZ is a complete asshat. I know he's been mentioned here before but I got to see it first hand!
Hoff sounded like a great boss who puts the welfare of his men first Wish we had some like him
Good luck Chief Enjoy the retirement
Sorry to see you go Chief. Rumor has it Santiago is up for the spot.
A GREAT leaderand Firefighter! You will be missed
He's exiting CFD before G8/NATO conferences. Confirms that anxiety regarding the G8 has reached breaking point. McCarthy is an outsider who probably either doesn't realize, or doesn't really care, that Chicago is ill-prepared and that it will be ugly and destructive.
Hoff was an honorable boss who had the best interest of his people in mind when he fought against any reduction in manpower. Safety was paramount in his decisions. I'm sure this POS Mayor told him that there are going to be major changes to the CFD and he was welcome to leave. Bosses that have the best interest of their people will not be tolerated by the Ballerina. McCarthy doesn't care and will probably stay unless this current scandal expands dramatically. So Commissioner Hoff, good luck to you in your future endeavors and hopefully this new Commissioner will not be Rahm's YES man.
Damn, what a shame. Sorry, CFD; looks like you're losing a good one.
2/16/2012 12:46:00 AM
I was on the scene of the collapsed roof of the laundry where the firefighters died on 75th St. Was standing in the alley when Hoff arrived on the scene. Within seconds of his arrival he was in the rubble, on his hands and knees, loading bricks into buckets in an attempt to find the firefighters. Needless to say I was impressed. I remember thinking there was no way I could imagine Weiss even thinking of acting in this manner.
Smart move, leave while you are on top before the fiasco that will be G8.
Too bad none of our bosses have a set of balls!! Too many kiss asses on CPD!
will an outsider get hired for CFD
next cfd commissioner will be a minority
2/16/2012 12:05:00 AM. The problem with your statement is the medical abusers far outway the truly sick as far as time used. This is the city's easy way out of the situation. There should however be some sort of catastrophic illness clause included.
No doubt, Hoff IS a "fireman's fireman."
He also possessed a true dedication into fire science and cared deeply about his people.
This type of man is a dying breed and we were blessed to have him here in Chicago.
For that reason and that reason alone, Hoff would rather quit than surrender his values, or betray his troops because halfinger wants to run the show.
To say his overall presence will be missed, is an understatement.
But then.... I'm just a cop.
God Bless and all the best to the "Commish."
Anonymous said...
There were numerous posts here when he publicly called for more manpower, saying 'watch for him to resign in a couple of months'. We knew Emanuel wouldn't tolerate that.
Damn, what a shame. Sorry, CFD; looks like you're losing a good one.
2/16/2012 12:46:00 AM
Too bad we can't get Hoff as police superintendent.
What a fucking tool bastard Rahm Emanuel is, to allow a great boss like Hoff to leave.
Fuck you Emanuel you lousy prick!
This guy won the City's top award for valor and bravery in the line of duty, the Carter Harrison Award, not once but TWICE!
And all Emanuel won was the Chicago Style Suck Politician's Asshole Award. Fuck Emanuel the fucking jagoff.
I sincerely hope the City goes up and makes international news embarrassing Emanuel and I will do what I can in that regard to make tiny dancer look bad. Stay safe, back up your comrades but make Emanuel look like the jerkoff he is.
Be careful, Emanuel and his crowd will throw us in the meat grinder in a heartbeat.
There's no doubt he's being squeezed out by Rahm.
Hoff was a fair boss and spoke up for his firemen and had their backs.....Rahm has no use for someone like that.
Strap in FD because you guys are next on Rahm's agenda.
2/16/2012 03:00:00 AM
Hoff is as personable man, a firefighter's firefighter and a great boss, and it is a shame that he is moving on after only 20 months as the top guy.
enjoy your retirement commish.
You will be missed!!
Hoff is a little upset about Rhams idea of the new fire dept.
Privete ambulance service
Fire inspections to the Bldg Dept
New Aviation Fire Dept
Several retired fire bosses have been pushing for these, they are getting lines up for some real nice contracts
Anonymous said...
There's no doubt he's being squeezed out by Rahm.
Hoff was a fair boss and spoke up for his firemen and had their backs....."
2/16/2012 03:00:00 AM
WOW!
What an amazing concept.
How long has it been since CPD has had a boss like that?
Funny how something that simple can make a job like ours more tolerable...
I am sure Comm. Hoff was told to leave on his own or the Racoon would boot him out. This is how this little bastard operates. Either my way or the highway. The Racoon has gutted the polie dept. so now he will do the same to the fire fighters.
Hoff was a good guy who had no use for Paramedics,under him paramedics took all the hits.he never dealt with the CFD officer who assaulted the CPD diver and he refused to fire guys who stole money from the city.And his attitude toward G8 was "its CPDs problem not ours".When 80% of the CFD work is EMS you need a manager not a fireman's fireman
Can guarantee you the main reason is he doesn't want to be part of the G8 NATO debacle that Rahm is putting on. Smart move.
The 1:00 am post is great.
"The Reign of the Raccoon".
when he starts closing firhouses will it be in the ghetto? will it be downtown the high rent district or goldcoast. just like cpd cuts it will be far north and southwest and the aldermnen wont say squat. the good days are over.
hoff is against losing the 5th man,the new guy is a yes man, the firefighters are screwed.if the city gets its way the cfd will lose about 450 firefighter spots,now thats 450 guys not putting into their pension fund thats only 40% funded.tick tock tick tock........
Firefighters are saying they are losing a leader. If McCarthy left that would not be said.
94% of the calls CFD responds to are Medical Emergencies. The manning of fire companies is antiquated,& does not reflect the realities of today. As a requirement of employment every member of the CFD should be a Certified Paramedic. You have a 2 year time window to become certified, or face termination.
Maybe he is just unwilling to accept the 20-40% cuts the fire dept is going to have to absorb over time. If he can't deal with the reality of the desperate financial condition of the city, someone else is going to have to take over who can.
There is still some chance the city can be saved from becoming another Detroit, but time is very short.
This story is bigger than it is being portrayed, of course.
The early news on Fox this morning had a good report on it, but can't seem to find the story, or the video, now. Good luck, Chicago. It's going to be "interesting times" more than ever now.
Hoff was a fair boss and spoke up for his firemen and had their backs
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While it may be nice for the fire dept employees, it is not his job to be liked by the employees. He has publicly expressed a lack of interest in reducing staffing. He is just delusional if he thinks that he can prevent reductions in the number of FD employees. It is going to happen, with or without him. If he does not have the stones to do what has to be done, then someone with the stones will have to be hired.
I can undertand though, why he would rather retire than do the nasty job that whoever takes over is going to have to do.
BRING IN mike keenan OR coach ditka as da new fire boss!
Have to agree about the medical. Police officers are in a different situation, caused by the job and medical section policies. A broken hand, arm , foot etc in private industry keeps you off a shorter period of time because you can go to work with a cast on or what about stitches. In private industry you can get stitches in the evening when at home and go to work the next day with stiches in your arm, leg or head but on the CPD you have to be off with stitches. 365 days for a career is not alot of days. You see CEO's, politicians, etc return to work a few weeks after open heart surgery. CPD would not allow that.
Everything good that has ever been said about this guy is true. He is the best boos that I have even seen on this job in the 25 years that I have been here.
Some people say that he should stay until the contract is signed. We all know that these contracts take years to sign. Also he can do us more good being on this side instead of their side as management.
He is leaving on his own terms. He is leaving for personal reasons. He wants to spend more time with his family. It has to do with an illness to a member of his family that is more important then this job.
I wish him the best of luck and hope that his retirement is long & fruitful.
Boss you will be dearly missed by the men & women who love to serve in your name.
Fox news just said the movie Backdraft was loosely based on the Hoff family
Is another scandal brewing?
Hoff stood up to Rahm and refused to screw his men/women. He's done the job, knows what it takes , and not just on asshole's budget paperwork. I'd bet rahm is behind his leaving somehow...what a better way to screw this evil prick then leave now and let his next puppet take the heat for any screw ups....he just left one of the most decorated cfd firefighters walk away 2 1/2 months b4 the world watches us embarrass ourselves....
Dear McBoozer,
You should ride around with Hoff and let him be your F.T.O.
Not to learn Fire procedure, but to learn how to stick up for your men and women and not be a spineless puppet for the Sawed Off One.
I feel very sad about this. Commissioner Hoff seemed to be such a "right guy," came up from the ranks -- just saw him on TV the other day, there was a bad house fire in which a little boy and his grandmother died, and Hoff took the time to come to the scene to try to find out what happened, to learn something, to see how maybe something could be done better.
He strikes me as very much too competent and decent to be able to work with a grasping, climbing, conniving, political sewer rat like Rahm Emanuel.
Now, following standard Daley practice fashion, we have a plug-in replacement, some "Hispanically-correct" "manager" from -- you guessed it -- OEMC.
Thank you for your service to the people of Chicago, Commissioner Hoff. Good luck wherever your steps take you.
God bless and stay safe.
Interesting, firefighters/paramedics get another new commissioner appointed, one of their own who rose through the ranks and knows what he's doing. Gives members a sense that a) the city cares about them b) you can achieve rank, all the way to the top c) they have a LEADER at the helm. Time will tell if Santiago is a good appointment or not but what I know of him he definitely knows the job unlike our last two jokes of bosses
Hoff refused to drink rhams new flavored kool aid!!!!
Fox news just said the movie Backdraft was loosely based on the Hoff family
2/16/2012 12:57:00 PM
It was
11:15 am>that will never happen, emt B will be as far as the city will go,certain people will never pass a paramedic test!
God Bless Boss! From a CPD PO who has great respect for your leadership of men.
Hoff questioned reducing man power on fire trucks. That's the last word I remember him speaking. I chose to read between the lines.
It's sad the smartest policeman got pasted over for all those that know and blow according to him. Sorry to disappoint you , many of us passed a test. The one thing they can't steal from you. However, you can bitch about a lack of promotion tests, otherwise suck it.
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Also, you'll NEVER see another commisioner like him. Rahm will appoint a politician dressed in uniform; someone who will absorb the blunt of criticism from rank and file but also serve as a mouthpiece for the mayor's demands.
2/16/2012 06:16:00 AM
You are right on the money about absorbing the blunt of criticism.
That's all McStooge is for.
Coppers keep blaming McStooge, but he is just taking orders. You know, the hatchet man. (.5 is pulling the strings.
I hear a bunch of people praising Hoff as such a great leader of the CFD...but WHAT did he do about that drunken lout who knocked one of our own CPD officers on his ass TWICE when he showed up on a call?
Does anyone know what happened to the CFD "OFFENDER?" Is he still working? Has he been disciplined? (crickets chirping)
Firemen are in trouble next. This is 1980 all over. Rahm looks more like Jane Burne.
Anonymous said...
Firefighters are saying they are losing a leader. If McCarthy left that would not be said.
2/16/2012 10:34:00 AM
:) How true :D
I did the math and Santiago looks like he came on during the strike.
If so, he put everyone fighting for better rights, in a position to lose their jobs.
Hoff was a good guy who had no use for Paramedics,under him paramedics took all the hits.he never dealt with the CFD officer who assaulted the CPD diver and he refused to fire guys who stole money from the city.And his attitude toward G8 was "its CPDs problem not ours".When 80% of the CFD work is EMS you need a manager not a fireman's fireman
Spoken like a true paramedic. Bitch, moan, cry and whine. Probably just complaining because he/she is too far down on the list to cross over and become a firefighter.
Boy, Comm. Hoff is a great guy, worked around him in the loop on 3rd of July Fireworks nights, a true gentleman, would talk to you like an equal , not treating you as a nothing, now if this can only rub of on McCarthy, I can't wait until this G8 crap, Shit is going to go bad and Rahm will launch him right out, I sure hope he is only renting and didn't buy any property here because he istruly gone after G8
To 09:48:00 AM:
You sure do sound like an angry paramedic that couldn't cross over!
Hoff a great man with "balls of steal," he did not want to let rahm and his demolition crew destroy CFD. Some of the things rahmbo wants:
12 hour day,cut back 1 fireman from each truck, all firefighters cross trained as paramedics (A great idea), newbies no pension (Same as CPD will get).
Why has rahmbo not hired coppers? The real reason is he is waiting for contract to expire and next contract a 2 tier wage scale,reduced severely pension, or no pension,12 medical days a year not accrued,no duty allowance, no uniform checks,10 holidays (If you work them no extra pay just 8 hours on the books).
A bigger secret the detectives as of 01March12 will be limited to 20 hours OT per month, minus court overtime,if they work a case it gets turned over to next crew and on and on!
Anonymous said...
I did the math and Santiago looks like he came on during the strike.
If so, he put everyone fighting for better rights, in a position to lose their jobs.
2/16/2012 08:48:00 PM
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Your math is just a little off. Santiago was on the job BEFORE the strike & he also spent ALL 23 days out on strike with the rest of the guys that walked for the duration.
Heard Commissioner Hoff story again on TV tonight, they said he "wants to spend more time with his family."
Third-generation Chicago firefighter and an old-fashioned gentleman to the last -- giving much more slack than Mayor Scum Emanuel deserves, that is for sure.
I was on the scene of the collapsed roof of the laundry where the firefighters died on 75th St. Was standing in the alley when Hoff arrived on the scene. Within seconds of his arrival he was in the rubble, on his hands and knees, loading bricks into buckets in an attempt to find the firefighters. Needless to say I was impressed. I remember thinking there was no way I could imagine Weiss even thinking of acting in this manner.
2/16/2012 08:26:00 AM
That mongoloid j-fraud tucked tail and RAN like a coward when danger was near. Shots fired a block away, and he got the hell outta Dodge real quick.
Comm. Hoff goes INTO danger. Thats what a Leader does.
While it may be nice for the fire dept employees, it is not his job to be liked by the employees. He has publicly expressed a lack of interest in reducing staffing. He is just delusional if he thinks that he can prevent reductions in the number of FD employees. It is going to happen, with or without him. If he does not have the stones to do what has to be done, then someone with the stones will have to be hired.
I can undertand though, why he would rather retire than do the nasty job that whoever takes over is going to have to do.
2/16/2012 11:29:00 AM
Hey you brain dead jagoff. It’s suckhole pricks like you who are running every goddamn police and fire department in this country into the ground. If Hoff believed that the 5th man on the truck was a safety issue, God bless him for having the stones to stand up to Rahmbo over this issue. Yeah maybe he’s delusional to think that he could actually win that battle, but it sure is refreshing to think that there is a boss out there who actually is concerned with doing what is right and who stands by his convictions. No it’s not his job to be liked by his employees, but it is certainly his job to be respected by them. There are way too many bosses out there that have sold their souls for the rank. I myself have often wondered how these guys wake up in the morning and look in the mirror without shame and disgust! It does not take stones to do what has to be done, when what has to be done is wrong. In this day and age it takes balls as big as watermelons to stand up for what you believe in, especially if you know your job is on the line. Me, I’ll just continue to watch the blind leading the blind from the bottom up, all the while shaking my head and wondering if things will ever change for the better. My guess is not a chance!!!!
I've never heard of a paramedic who wanted to be a fireman, nor have I heard they whine, it's usually the other way around.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
I did the math and Santiago looks like he came on during the strike.
If so, he put everyone fighting for better rights, in a position to lose their jobs.
2/16/2012 08:48:00 PM
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Your math is just a little off. Santiago was on the job BEFORE the strike & he also spent ALL 23 days out on strike with the rest of the guys that walked for the duration.
2/16/2012 11:04:00 PM
So what happened between 1980 and now that turned him into the Mayor's bitch?
Is it true that Santiago in Spanish means "I suck el jefe's dick?"
I am long time CPD. I had a chance in 1980 to get on the fire department during the strike. I wanted the Fire job but not that way so I went to the police academy instead.
Hoff made his choice and he will always be able to hold his head up high while Santiago will be remembered for groveling at the nut sack of a worthless mayor.
A sign of foreboding...things will worsen for city first responders, and you can take that to the bank. As hard as it was for Hoff to swallow the shit 9.5 was attempting to shove down his throat, the fact that he chose to bail tells me that things are going to get a lot worse for members of the CFD, and soon. Strap in and hang on guys, and make sure the firehouses (those that will remain open) have plenty of lube on hand, it's gonna get real painful.
Yeah maybe he’s delusional to think that he could actually win that battle
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While it would no doubt be unpleasant for him to preside over a downsizing of the fire department, he might have better served the fire fighters and the city by sticking around and making the cuts as painless as is humanly possible.
They are coming no matter what he did. Do you not get that? Pretending he is standing on principle or whatever he thinks he is doing will not change that one iota.
I don't know the new guy, but if the new guy makes the necessary cuts in less appropriate ways than Hoff might have done, that is on Hoff for cutting and running when a tough job showed its ugly face.
It is possible he just did not have the stomach for it. I can understand that. If that is the case, it is best for him to move on.
There are people willing to risk their own lives by running into a burning building and pull out people who would otherwise die. That takes a certain kind of courage.
It also takes courage of perhaps a different sort to do the dirty work when that has to be done, and it just does not seem like Hoff was up to that.
94% of the calls CFD responds to are Medical Emergencies. The manning of fire companies is antiquated,& does not reflect the realities of today. As a requirement of employment every member of the CFD should be a Certified Paramedic. You have a 2 year time window to become certified, or face termination.
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It is pretty antiquated, and some people are just unwilling or unable to change.
I don't think forcing every FF to become paramedic certified will solve anything. In any case, it would not be feasible. The training requirements take a long time to complete. They far exceed the requirements for becoming a police officer.
Cross train all firefighters to be medics? It would cost more money to train and pay that wage....newbies no pension? Then who would pay into the pension for the veterans?
Anonymous said...
Hoff was a good guy who had no use for Paramedics,under him paramedics took all the hits.he never dealt with the CFD officer who assaulted the CPD diver and he refused to fire guys who stole money from the city.And his attitude toward G8 was "its CPDs problem not ours".When 80% of the CFD work is EMS you need a manager not a fireman's fireman
Spoken like a true paramedic. Bitch, moan, cry and whine. Probably just complaining because he/she is too far down on the list to cross over and become a firefighter.
2/16/2012 10:09:00 PM
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No it doesn't sound like someone waiting to cross over. It sounds more like that guy Pat who USE TO BE the department ENS Inspector who lost his job in the budget cuts that were made. I saw him on facebook making the same post. He whined until they made him a boss and gave him a buggy. Then he became a house mouse for the city. Never complained. Now that Hoff knocked him back down the food chain & took away his tak home buggy he is crying again.
Hey Pat STFU. Maybe you should take your pension and go home. You can't switch sides back now that you no longer have an EXEMPT position. You are a total POS.
There was always a big difference between a guy like Hoff and a guy like we had in JFled.
Hoff was at the building collapse on 75th st on his hads & knees helping dig his men out. I have heard the audio of the incident & you can here when Hoff arrives on the scene & makes his transmission over the radio that he was actually running to the scene.
We had JFled who was a block away from a scene for shots fired in Englewood and he ran. His excuse was that he didn't want to get in the mens way. Well what if the offender was still on the scene and was shooting some more?
I once saw this quote and it has always made a lot of sense.
I personally know Hoff and this fits him to a TEE. This is probably his GREED.
You Never Send Your Men Any Place That You Won't Go Yourself.
If You're Capable, Then You Go.
If It Requires More Then One Man, Then You Go First.
If You Don't Have The Courage To Lead The Way, Then You Shouldn't Be In The Job Of A Leader.....
Outside of the Employees of CFD, etc; NOBODY really cares. Black Boss, White Boss, Hispanic Boss, what's the real difference? All Crrokago Agencies are just political Whore-Houses anyway, when it comes to management, it's ALL about politics, not who's best qualified. All B.S.; and the Public is wise to it all,but helpless to do anything about it due to the dictatorship that runs Chicago/Crook County, and the Feds do nothing about it, due to corruption on ALL levels of Government, Federal,State, County, City, Local....
Hoff made his choice and he will always be able to hold his head up high while Santiago will be remembered for groveling at the nut sack of a worthless mayor.
So would it be a fair assessment to say that SANTIAGO
is the CFD's version of MICHAEL MASTERS? Just asking.
Anonymous said...
Hoff is a little upset about Rhams idea of the new fire dept.
Privete ambulance service
Fire inspections to the Bldg Dept
New Aviation Fire Dept
Several retired fire bosses have been pushing for these, they are getting lines up for some real nice contracts
2/16/2012 09:33:00 AM
Is this "aviation Fire Dept." gonna be like the Aviation police now with no guns? So they would fight any kind of fire without hoses?
There was always a big difference between a guy like Hoff and a guy like we had in JFled.
Hoff was at the building collapse on 75th st on his hads & knees helping dig his men out. I have heard the audio of the incident & you can here when Hoff arrives on the scene & makes his transmission over the radio that he was actually running to the scene.
We had JFled who was a block away from a scene for shots fired in Englewood and he ran. His excuse was that he didn't want to get in the mens way. Well what if the offender was still on the scene and was shooting some more?
I once saw this quote and it has always made a lot of sense.
I personally know Hoff and this fits him to a TEE. This is probably his GREED.
You Never Send Your Men Any Place That You Won't Go Yourself.
If You're Capable, Then You Go.
If It Requires More Then One Man, Then You Go First.
If You Don't Have The Courage To Lead The Way, Then You Shouldn't Be In The Job Of A Leader.....
2/17/2012 11:07:00 AM
You know, if you want to compliment someone, you should learn how to spell.
It took me a while, but I think you meant to say Creed, not Greed.
As in, this is probably his Creed, his belief, the words he lives by.
Yeah maybe he’s delusional to think that he could actually win that battle
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While it would no doubt be unpleasant for him to preside over a downsizing of the fire department, he might have better served the fire fighters and the city by sticking around and making the cuts as painless as is humanly possible.
They are coming no matter what he did. Do you not get that? Pretending he is standing on principle or whatever he thinks he is doing will not change that one iota.
I don't know the new guy, but if the new guy makes the necessary cuts in less appropriate ways than Hoff might have done, that is on Hoff for cutting and running when a tough job showed its ugly face.
It is possible he just did not have the stomach for it. I can understand that. If that is the case, it is best for him to move on.
There are people willing to risk their own lives by running into a burning building and pull out people who would otherwise die. That takes a certain kind of courage.
It also takes courage of perhaps a different sort to do the dirty work when that has to be done, and it just does not seem like Hoff was up to that.
2/17/2012 08:41:00 AM
He's been doing this for over three decades. He lost his father to the job. He doesn't owe anybody any 'intestinal fortitude'.
If the changes are coming 'no matter what', as you say, then what's the difference?
Do you not get that he was FORCED OUT by Rahm Emanuel?
Once he defended his Department and his people publicly, he was NEVER going to be permitted to continue in the job. He had offended the great Oz.
He put a good face on it and he left as a gentleman, the way he conducted himself for three decades.
"He's been doing this for over three decades. He lost his father to the job. He doesn't owe anybody any 'intestinal fortitude'."
--2/18/2012 03:37:00 AM
F___ing-A right. This man HAS NOTHING TO PROVE TO ANYONE.
"A fireman's fireman?" That's just who you need when there's a fire.
He can look at himself in the mirror every morning without worrying is someone going to find all the money in the shoeboxes in the closet.
"He put a good face on it and he left as a gentleman, the way he conducted himself for three decades."
...while all these other disgusting little people stick their noses down in the hole and dig and dig and dig for loot, the dirt flying back over them -- you know how a dog likes to dig until it's almost to China.
You know who you are.
Farewell, Commissioner Hoff. I, too, fear that our City will not see your like again.
Less Fires,more Paramedics,Take all the trained firefighters and paramedics off their desk jobs,put them back in the field,reduce all the political hack merited chiefs and deputies.Go back to 3 division marshals,worked 30 plus years ago when there were more fires etc.With money saved,help prop up pension.The Nepotistic generational right of passage system shall die !!!! Create more squad companies citywide and use as a " floating" manpower pool to help augment the still companies.Require that they all become certified paramedics,because they will use those skills more than their diver skills.Utilize your resources more practically and efficiently!
Just some thoughts on the resignation of Comm. Hoff. Although I spent my entire career on the CPD, and have many CFD friends and have dealt with CFD personnel at fire scenes and accidents, our jobs and duties are completely different jobs and functions but both CPD and CFD are first responders and the safety and protection of the public (along with our own safety)are our primary duties. I don't personaly know Comm. Hoff but from what I've heard from CFD friends and seen of him on TV it seems he was the perfect man for the job, and I wish him and his family nothing but the best for their future.
Both the CPD and the CFD have known their share of scandals and embarrasing moments and politically connected bosses and do nothings.
Whatever the real reason Comm. Hoff resigned it was his decision.
As far as the newly appointed Comm. Santiago I think it is too early to judge, but at least he came from within the ranks of CFD and a carpet bagger was not brought in with little or no knowledge, to run things, as was the case with the last two CPD Superintendants.
The only one to judge the new Comm with be the men and women of the CFD who work with and under him and truly know what kind of a man he is and his motives will surface very soon in the contract talks and re-structuring of the CFD.
Again, I wish Comm. Hoff and his family nothing but the best and I thank him for all his years of service to the City and CFD.
As for Comm. Santiago I hope he remembers where he came from and hope he puts the men and women of the CFD first and hope he does'nt let politics come before common- sense. Time will tell.....Stay safe.
...If he can't deal with the reality of the desperate financial condition of the city, someone else is going to have to take over who can.....
2/16/2012 11:23:00 AM
Will you people STOP drinking the desperate financial condition kool aid???.
If there is $$$ for private cleaning and re-planting of flower boxes,
If there is money for tearing up sidewalks and putting 'lego blocks' in sidewalks at street crossings that were just poured 2 years ago,
If there is $$$ for purchasing supplies from a middle man instead of going to the source yourself (think Grainger, where the middle man bought from)
If there is $$$ to pay private tow trucks $99 EACH to tow PAPV's to 51st street for tune ups -- the ones we are longer able to ride, btw, (driver can get 4 on a flatbed)total $400....
If we can't get small blue property bags and are forced to use an 18"x30" bag for one earring,
(I know, why not cut them up?!?!?)
Umm Hmm, you go right ahead. Why not give us the necessary supplies?
THE CITY HAS MONEY.
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