Another Englewood Death
A 16-year-old boy was shot to death on a West Englewood street this afternoon, police said.
The boy was shot in the head in the 1400 block of West 73rd Street at about 2:40 p.m., said Chicago Police News Affairs Officer...
We hadn't realized Chicago passed 100 homicides for the year almost a week ago - 21 March. That's the quickest run to 100 since 2004 and we're on pace to leave that year in the dust.
A funny thing we noticed over at the Red Eye homicide tracker though. They track homicides by date, age, sex, cause, day of the week, community area, race, and locale. But the race code is a little bit skewed. For example:
- Ramon Salgado - white
- George Marrero - white
- Johnny Vargas - white
- Gustavo Reyes - white
- Aliyah Shell (the six year old) - white
So which politically correct entity leaned on the Tribune Company to report their stats completely at odds with Chicago Police classification procedures and the nationally recognized standards?
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
39 Comments:
That is so that if there is any retaliation of these families they can turn it into a Trayvon type situation where "the white mans" actions were solely racially motivated.
Check the daily medical examiner's case sheets. That might be where the trouble lies. I believe W/H is usually how they have it, and somebody just chose the "W" part.
I don't know how Chicago pd tracks race but on the census Latinos or Hispanics (which ever name you prefer) are required to pick a specific Latin background and then are required to pick between white or black. It's stupid and frustrating for many Latinos who see themselves as neither. But that is what the Feds do. Now why use that in a crime stat? Your guess is as good as mine.
"A 16-year-old boy was shot to death on a West Englewood street this afternoon"
Pfleger? Jackson? Outraged marchers?
(crickets chirping)
the mainstream media has been a complete joke for awhile now. this redeye tracker race code is embarrassing.
Well SCC, that's why people read you insted of the Trib.
Hey Media reading this, want to increase your subscriptions? Start being more accurate in your reporting and objectivity.
By Rosemary Sobol
Tribune reporter
11:57 p.m. CDT, March 26, 2012
An 80-year-old man and the burglar whom he shot are expected in court today after the break-in at the elderly man’s Englewood neighborhood home, police said.
Homer Wright, of the 6400 block of South Morgan Street, was inside his home about 6:30 a.m. Monday when 19-year-old Anthony Robinson broke through several boards and entered through a rear bathroom window and tried to take liquor, police said.
But Wright, who told police he owns a bar, used a handgun to shoot Robinson in the lower right leg, police said.
Robinson, of the 6000 block of South Wood Street, was charged with felony burglary after being released from Saint Bernard Hospital and Health Care Center where he’d been treated.
During the burglary investigation, authorities learned that Wright has two prior weapons convictions from 1968 and 1994 and he was charged with one felony count of unlawful use a weapon, police said. Records show Wright also has a prior conviction for theft in 1990.
Wright turned his gun over to detectives and both men are expected in Cook County Criminal Court today.
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I thought in Illinois with a felony conviction you couldn't own a liquor establishment. Anyway, the man is 80yr, in his home at 630am, and the victim of a home invasion (NOT a burglary)!!! 1968, 1994..its safe to say he's not a threat to society. Take the gun and leave the man alone.
...maybe you never wrote a report but there are blacks, white hispanics. black hispanics . Hence the M1 ,M2, M3 .
First of all, whites are the minority in chicago.
Second, the worse the media lies the faster they lose what little credability they have left.
Salgado, Marrero, Vargas, Reyes, Shell---they all sound 'white' to me. That's right...since the Florida incident, Latino/Mexican/Spanish now means 'white.'
Sounds like job security!
"Another Englewood Death"
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So? Another thug criminal who won't be robbing and killing his way through life. One thing, he turned his life around for good. I recommend a posthumous GED and a Photoshopped graduation portrait.
apparently gmac is right about about weather not playing a role in violinece... cooled off and has been raining the past few, yet the bodies keep adding up....
The US Census decided that Hispanic means White. If I recall, the only option people of Hispanic decent had was to write in their origin in the event they did not choose to identify with White. Pretty fucking ridiculous.
CAN NOT WAIT TO SEE THE BODY COUNT IN MAY..... with most of the department being posted downtown... iam sure the rest of the town will be painted red
My wife and daughter are both of Asian decent, my wife actually being born in the Phillipines was considered NOT a minority several years ago when applying for my daughters birth certificate by the black county worker who told my wife only blacks are minorities and you are considered white and your daughter to!
I don't know how the Chicago PD classifies people according to race, but, in actuality, the term "Hispanic" does not refer to race, but to ethnicity (that is, a person who's ancestry derives from, ultimately Spain), and is even different from the term "Latino" (which is a person who's ancestry derives from South and Central America), and also from the term "Latin" (which is a person who's ancestry derives from a Latin-based language country). Genetically speaking, the only races on this planet are Caucasoid, Negroid, Mongoloid and Pygmy (there is debate whether Aboriginal represents a fifth race, but that hasn't been scientifically confirmed). Evidence of this can be seen most clearly in South America, where there are both Negroid and Caucasoid people who also identify as Hispanics. Additionally, the U.S. Government, as evidenced from the last Census, notes this classification, only allowing for people to credit themselves as one of the officially-recognized races. Of course, I realize that somehow conventional wisdom in this country classifies Hispanics as of a race separate from the others, much in the same way you see Arabs and Asian Indians being classified as a separate race.
Check the daily medical examiner's case sheets. That might be where the trouble lies. I believe W/H is usually how they have it, and somebody just chose the "W" part.
3/27/2012 12:15:00 AM
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Close, but I'd bet somebody doesn't realize "wh" is NOT the beginning of the word "white".
Dear Tribune, "W" = White
and
"W/H" = white hispanic
First off Hispanic and Latino is not a race. Hispanic refers to people who were was once ruled by/influenced by Spain and have kept many of the Spanish traditions and language.You could be White, Black, Asian, etc and still be Hispanic. There are only four classifications (in the US) White, Black, Asian/Pacific Islander and Native American.
St.Sabina will never focus on the real problem in the black community. Nonexistent parenting with volumes of deranged procreation. With leaders as Jackson,Sharpton,Pfleger and sports figures with fleeting glory in some kids game. As lost as an aircraft without fuel, course or destination. Soon it will crash.
It's affirmative action! All races must be identical on all metrics - we're all equal, after all! So if we have to fudge the definitions of various groups to get to the truth of the matter, that's entirely appropriate.
And anyone who disagrees is a racist and should have no place in the public debate.
Race labels are an item of convenience, they only apply when they fit the predefined narrative. On the upside, the numbers seem to show that my asian wife is unlikely to be shot in Chicago.
I thought Latinos could be black, white or brown? Seriously.
"But the race code is a little bit skewed. For example:
"Ramon Salgado - white
George Marrero - white
Johnny Vargas - white
Gustavo Reyes - white
Aliyah Shell (the six year old) - white
"So which politically correct entity leaned on the Tribune Company to report their stats completely at odds with Chicago Police classification procedures and the nationally recognized standards?"
The federal government invented the term "Hispanic" to make demographics unrecgnizeable and statistics useless. You can call yourself "White Hispanic," "non-White Hispanic," anything you want.
Waaay down at the bottom of the New Checklist is the choice "Non-Hispanic white."
What an insult.
It's deliberate.
I don't know how Chicago pd tracks race but on the census Latinos or Hispanics (which ever name you prefer) are required to pick a specific Latin background and then are required to pick between white or black. It's stupid and frustrating for many Latinos who see themselves as neither. But that is what the Feds do. Now why use that in a crime stat? Your guess is as good as mine.
3/27/2012 12:21:00 AM
Maybe you or the people you're speaking of don't know this, but the reason it's like that on the census and our reports is because hispanic/latino is not a race. The people who fall under these classifications are either black or white(whether they see themselves that way or not), and come from, or have ancestors originating from a Spanish speaking country. Thus white hispanic, black hispanic.
In the Federal classification Hispanic is not a race but an ethnic term.
Hispanic/Latin people may be of any race. The hispanic term determines the region of origin for the person. What makes the classication difficult is that Hispanics can be of any race.
Dominicans are mostly black. Argentinians/Uruguayans/Chileans are mostly white. Mexicans are mostly of Indian (similar to American Indian) descent for which no particular race applies but would have to pick "white" since no other racial term applies.
SCC this is one of the rare times that I disagree with you. Hispanic is NOT a race, but groups of individuals connected by language and culture. The politicians have created this "RACE" to divide and conquer. Individuals who are of European Spanish descent are always white unless mixed with another race. Cubans are a usually of Spanish ancestry unless they were mixed with the slaves that the Spaniards brought to Cuba. A majority of Argentina's residents residents are white. Mexicans are usually a mixture of Indian and Spanish (White). There are some Mexicans in the larger cities, i.e., Mexico City, who have no Aztec or other Indian admixture and they are 100% Spanish and therefore, white. Think Vincente Fox! Individuals who identify as Dominican are usually black. Andy Garcia is a white Cuban and Sammy Sosa is a black Dominican. Both are categorized as Hispanic but are clearly different races.
•Ramon Salgado - white
•George Marrero - white
•Johnny Vargas - white
•Gustavo Reyes - white
•Aliyah Shell (the six year old) - white
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Technically, Hispanic is not a race. The races are caucasoid, negroid, mongaloid, and I think one more.
73rd and Loomis, anyone remember Michael Kirbys
why dont potus get upset over the murder of black teens in his own home town? two years were spent on medical plan, no one wants. if they concentrated on jobs crime may not be so high.
Cha-Ching, Cha-Ching,
This just in...
The Chicago Crime Commission now blames CPD for numerous inaccuracies in it's published Chicago Gang Book.
That has to make a man angry enough to go shoot out some streetlights eh?
Here comes the lawsuits and more finger pointing. Every man for themselves now.
In a somewhat related story there's a march going on right now calling for justice in the case where a women that was shot in the face by a CPD off duty about five days ago.
Some here were asking where's Chicago's outrage to our violence when the Zimmermen story broke in Fla. well I guess you got what you wanted now.
Who's gonna get thrown under the bus? Someones careers has to be martyred to get this stuff off the front pages.
Not trying to be a Dick but... Race is a social construct that is essentially meaningless. Ethnicity however is real and a more accurate way to describe someone. For example "black" people are technically African Americans, or Afro Caribbean Americans, or wherever they are from- Americans. "Hispanics/latinos/chicanos are all from south of the border and would more accurately be dubbed Peruvian Americans or Mexican Americans etc. Spanish and Portugese people are white Europeans believe it or.not."Whites" ( I am white) are just all lumped together from Europe to Iceland to the Baltic states to wherever and nobody really cares where our families come from. I suppose its because the majority of us work and pay our taxes and don't care if the government knows where our grandparents were born. I know I'm not applying for some social security- affirmative action- free tuition and medical program so I'll just celebrate with my family and just be called white." All that being said though the red eye is wrong. The blacks and the Hispanics do pretty much all of the shooting and getting shot. Just saying.its a fact.
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•Ramon Salgado - white
•George Marrero - white
•Johnny Vargas - white
•Gustavo Reyes - white
•Aliyah Shell (the six year old) - white
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Technically, Hispanic is not a race. The races are caucasoid, negroid, mongaloid, and I think one more.
3/27/2012 11:08:00 AM
hemorrhoid
Wright turned his gun over to detectives and both men are expected in Cook County Criminal Court today.
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I thought in Illinois with a felony conviction you couldn't own a liquor establishment. Anyway, the man is 80yr, in his home at 630am, and the victim of a home invasion (NOT a burglary)!!! 1968, 1994..its safe to say he's not a threat to society. Take the gun and leave the man alone.
3/27/2012 06:09:00 AM
The old guy got an I-Bond. Any decent judge can simply find him guilty and give him a suspended sentence and directions to Sportmart for a Louisville Slugger.
Technically, Hispanic is not a race. The races are caucasoid, negroid, mongaloid, and I think one more.
3/27/2012 11:08:00 AM
Yep, only three races. Hispanic is an ethnicity.
I get a kick out of hearing people state that Puerto Ricans are mixed with African blood. Most Puerto Ricans are NOT mixed with african dna. When the Spaniards conquered Puerto Rico, they killed a majority of the indigenous people. The majority of the current inhabitants of Puerto Rico have 100% Spanish ancestry---a.k.a. White People. Although the Spaniards brought slaves to the island and a MINORITY of today's inhabitants are 100% african or of part african ancestry, the MAJORITY of the people are of Spanish ethnicity and therefore--- White. By the way, I am Puerto Rican and my family here and on the island identify as White. If you examine the 2010 U.S. Census, most Puerto Ricans identify as White.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
" I get a kick out of hearing people state that Puerto Ricans are mixed with African blood. Most Puerto Ricans are NOT mixed with african dna."
I almost spit out my coffee laptop when I read this! You seriously need to go back to school and brush up on Pre-American history and the Spanish Conquistadors. They damn near wiped out the Taino people due to cruelty and small pox. When they did that they realized they needed more slaves hence the "Trans Atlantic Slave Trade" from West Africa during the late 1500's. Just because they self identify themselves as "white" they ARE not. The majority of Puerto Rican's have a mixture of Taino, Spanish and African ancestry. Just like you I am a Puertorriqueño! Stop being ashamed of what you are!
Michael Kirbys skating rink.
To the the person who spit out their coffee:
You just acknowledged that the Spainards nearly wiped out all of the Taino and you were right. The MAJORITY of individuals that hail from the Island trace their roots to those "cruel" Spanish. DNA testing on random individuals confirm this hypothesis. Check the census and see how people on the Island self identify. Yes there was intermarriage with the slaves and Spaniards, however, the majority of the Puerto Rican citizenry has no African dna. 75.8% of people on the island are white, 12.4% are black and 11.1 are an admixture of indian and Spanish. I am sorry if I offended you with the facts!
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