What Was That Noise??
Oh, that was just the sound of a whole bunch of sphincters slamming shut:
A special prosecutor will re-examine the April 2004 death of David Koschman, who died of brain injuries after being punched in the face by Richard J. “R.J.” Vanecko, a nephew of then-Mayor Richard M. Daley, a judge ruled Friday.
Cook County Circuit Judge Michael Toomin had harsh words for the way the Chicago Police Department and the Cook County State’s Attorney’s Office handled the poltically charged investigation.
Of their claim that Vanecko punched Koschman only in self-defense, the judge said, “This was a defense conjured up by police and prosecutors”
The judge also took note of what he termed the “missing files syndrome” on the part of both the police and prosecutors.
And Toomin noted that there are sworn statements from witnesses that contradict police reports.
Tribune coverage here.
Labels: scandals
posted by SCC at 3:00 PM
140 Comments:
Detectives will take ALL the blame.
Lawsuits with punitive damages are certain.
Criminal charges are a strong possibility.
A Special Prosecutor from What Jurisdiction? Illinois?????????? Never hand down an indictment.... Federal???? Never hand down an indictment. Both Chief Executives owe too much to Daley for that to happen.....
Take away Daley's pension!
Double standards David Koschman would be in Jail if he punched Richard J. “R.J.” Vanecko.
Here -- just for general reference, here's a similar recent case of a man dying after being knocked down and hitting his head.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-northwest-side-man-dies-day-after-being-punched-to-sidewalk-in-fight-20120319,0,5149769.story
"Equal justice under the law."
A railroad cop, a sworn officer, just got 40 years for shooting at the police. The judge "couldn't understand what was going through his mind."
You, with your relations and your connections at the very top, may similarly be held to a high standard of behavior -- as someone who "should have known better."
Sometimes the rich and powerful are made examples of -- as a lesson to all.
Be afraid, R.J.
Be very afraid.
fire up the grand jury bus!....everyone on board?
Judge Toomin must have major balls (r we allowed 2 say that?). Or else he is going with that ruling to give everyone false hope so we believe that the Law is practiced fairly even when a Daley is involved. Later, he will switch and alter his decision.
I'm going to guess it'll be difficult to actually tie this to anyone really important in the machine. Much too smart to have left any evidence. Some white shirts? Maybe not so smart. Some of Anita's people, maybe even Anita herself? Maybe not so smart.
Assuming the investigation was done on the up and up no one should be afraid of anything. Right?
Never, ever, did I ever lose a felony file, nor did I ever hear of the state ever losing one after they started one. Darren O'Brien's wife, if he even has one, might want to learn how to bake a hack-saw blade into some Irish soda bread if she wants to see her asshole again!
Hope they call Retired Det Sup Grau who was in charge of the Det Division at the time.I'm sure he called Uncle Phil when this call came in.Someone said he was on furlough at the time but check the blkberry for that time period.You can bet call's were made.Why do you think the State Police declined to take over the investigation. Because Grau was in charge at CPD at the time.LiL Hi's sphincter just got smaller.But trust in Hi he'll point in the other direction. Hey Ret Maria(Chief of Dets)Maher get ready to be sold out.
It's about time!!!!! Just let's hope the so called special prosecutor does not have any political ties to the Machine. Hopefully this is the start of the Machine's downfall. They are all corrupt in one way or another. Could this be the beginning of the end for a whole bunch of scum? One can only hope.
I thought I would never say this about a fellow police officer, but I hope the people involved in this cover up get BURNED....
wonder if the special prosecutor would need, or be interested, in extra help?...former cops, detectives, etc., folks with investigative experience, and with no connection to that case....
Thank God. Now , maybe we can get some answers, real answers and not the garbage coming out of the states' attorney's office and the department. The detective division is starting to look very bad on this.
Depose Shortshanks, the Police Superintendant at the time, the higher ups in the States Attorney's office etc.
That would definitely tighten some sphincters!
Shortshanks will say he didnt't know nothin about nothin. That was always his excuse.
Everyone involved should be prosecuted. Are they ALL going to fall on swords to protect a fucking scumbag crime family who would as soon steamroll over them as they have done to untold others through the years.
The trib had their articles comment section slam shut. They must have got a real hurried phone call.
Wow ! Didn't see it going that way !
Still don't trust a non-Federal prosecutor, coverup will continue in Crook County!
It's about time that poor Mom gets a little help and relief after such a savage attack by king daley's nephew.
Don't give up Mom, keep pushing, the truth is out there and it will surface. That family can not get away with murder.
How about fuck the judge. We investigate and present the case to the Asa. These courts and politicians tie our hands and now know how an investigation should be run.
It's about time.
"Ant are not meant to serve grasshoppers"!! -A Bugs Life
If you think the Police and States Attorney did this alone you are definitely drinking the Kool Aid!
This was done at the direction of the then Mayor Daley Inc. and the Judge knows it but he is playing the political game.
MAY is the month to show these "politicians" and "political hacks" what a bunch of ANTS can do...my enemies enemy is my friend...Welcome NATO protestors and all citizens tired of the lies. They can't kill US all...
So the question now is WHO will be the "special" prosecutor and HOW MUCH will it cost to buy him off?
What are the chances of finding a prosecutor independent of the corruption of this sewer of thieves called the Cook County Democratic Party?
Z E R O ! ! !
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Nothing will happen.
Cook County is too corrupt to be trusted with this investigation.
Unfortunately, I wouldn't even trust the Feds with this one while the village idiot from Kenya is in the White House!
Here Here Toomin, I didn't think ya had it in ya.
ITK
That's it. Appoint some retired judge and a heavy weight former prosecutor to "independantly" investigate this matter. Just like the Burge "investigation" with former judge Egan. No muss, no fuss, no political consequences.
I am shocked. And even more shocked by the judge's words. Good job judge.
Good. Anyone, cop or attorney that supported that vile family of drunken Irish crooks should get a taste of what they've been shoveling on the rest of Chicago for years.
Coppers & Detectives will be hog-tied and thrown in front of the CTA train..The Cook County State Attorney will be untouched. Everything bad about this case will be blamed on CPD.
'THE' Bottom Line...
ONLY the C(r)ook County States Attorney's Office can 'approve/deny' charges related to homicide cases since the tenure of then CCSA Bernard Carey. (1970's)
Presently, the CCSA Investigator assigned to each case ( Felony Revue) orders whatever additional investigation/evidence THEY want or necessary before THEY finally approve/disapprove any charges.
The 'Special Prosecutor' should ask Anita who/why they assign a 'special' ASA on heater cases, regardless of time of day.
Ask her to give him up, and have them BOTH explain, under oath their involvement.
A phone record subpoena from ALL States Attorney's involved (you too Anita) will alert the 'special prosecutor' who knew what/when.
Aaah, SCC... "The (sphincter) Shut Heard Around the World!"
Anita Alvarez said that she did ask for a "special prosecutor" to investigate. Remember, she sent the State Police over.
Anita Alvarez also compiled a 300 page book (BRIEF) as to why she should NEVER appoint a special prosecutor.
How bout that? A sitting STATES ATTORNEY who does NOT WANT TO PROSECUTE someone in a case where someone DIED?
Shell throw your ass in jail, especially if you're BLACK - with little or NO evidence
When will people realize that the POLICE DO NOT CHARGE!!!!! The police reports STATES clearly that VENECKO THREW THE PUNCH!!!! It is then up to ANITA ALVAREZ to prosecute and take in front of a judge for bail or whatever......
ANITA ALVAREZ DID NOT DO THAT!!!!
She is a LIAR! She would NEVER touch a DALEY!!!!
ANITA ALVAREZ NEEDS TO STEP DOWN FROM HER OFFICE!!!!
Her biggest problem is her 1st assistant JACK BLAKEY!!!
Jack Blakey is a huge problem --especially if you do not Look like HIM!
Well, that was anti-climactic. After reading the title and first two lines, I though it was about the PO's AD at the nail salon....
Hopefully in the future,the answer to"What Was That Noise??"will be "A cell door slamming shut on the whole cursed Vanecko-Daley crime crew".
I can only hope that NO CPD officer intentionally omitted facts or crafted the investigative notes in a manner to show no wrong doing. If this was done for what ever reason, what were you thinking? Favor for a boss or worse a politician. I hope you weren't that stupid, but there must be facts of this case we don't know about. This judge seemed pissed.
Kudos to Judge Toomin, it's a start in the right direction.
daley gonna join blago?ANITA?
CONSPIRACY and HOMICIDE...the guilty parties being Mr. Vanecko, Mayor Richard Daley, Dick Devine, Anita Alvarez and the detectives that sold their souls for a favor. And fuck you Racoon...your day is coming as well.
Expose the truth to daylight.
Finally, someone with some guts and integrity. Bless that judge!
The writing is all over the wall. First Hizoner Daley was told he couldn't run again because he possibly faces indictment, but not until Obama's re-election is secured(as was the case with George Ryan as Bush's re-election). Second Bill Daley can't be seen around Obama when shit hits the fan and Third, now they are coming after the nephew, perhaps Pat(ty)next? We'll all be watching and so will the Feds, just incase the "local authorities" don't do it right.
CIVIL RIGHTS complaint filed in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Illinois, Eastern Division on Thursday, March 29, 2012.
12-CV-02353 Michael Seiser v. Debra Kirby and the City of Chicago
Jury Demand.
Problem is, the lawyers won't be getting indicted and charged. The police will. Stop supporting this inquiry. Shit flows downhill, SCC.
Flip Vanecko to give up his corrupt motherfucking Uncle Richie.
Let Vanecko plead out for 10 years inside with Daley getting life with no possibility of parole.
What goes around, comes around.
Looks like the Daley Crime Family is starting to fall apart. Hopefully Richie and his son are next. Bwwweeeeeerrrpppp !
This is all a dog and pony show. The judge gets to pick the special prosecutor. So they will pick someone who is down with the program. They will conduct a bogus investigation and determine that there is no need to prosecute. I will bet a paycheck on it.
They have just named Richard M Daley as the special prosecutor to investigate. His years of experience as States Attorney make him highly qualified for the position.
I also couldn't help but notice that the Tribune didn't have the comments section active for the article.
But any police related story has the comment section active, so every non contributing member of society can spew their anti police rhetoric!
Screw the Chicago media whores!
I hope this mother gets a little justice and RJ gets to share a cell with ROD BLAGOJEVICH #40892-424 ENGLEWOOD FCI. Age 55-Race White-Sex M. Projected Release Date 05-23-2024. OUCH!
OT: Does anyone have a copy of the "Davis Report" that came out of the Mayor's Office.
I guess the City revealed that they paid over 7 million dollars in differential pay each year to sergeants, lieutenants and captains.
Sound exaggerated to me.
OT: Quinn is letting more convicts out. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-quinn-grants-clemency-to-52-illinois-offenders-20120406,0,1098453.story
Guarantee, if someone has to take the fall-- it will be the detectives. They might have been taken car of-- but they will take the fall if someone has to.
The politicians werent the primary responders or the Dicks. Theyre the ones that told Mrs Koschman how impressed she'd be by who was involved. By looking the other way they made us all look like gutless pieces of crap...
OT.... I was IOD recently, not shot, but still injured. I'm still waiting for my new best friend Jerry, or is it Gerry or Ahhhhh never mind, to call me.... C'mon I want a new best friend too!!!! Fart... Uh ohh maybe sharted
This may be the first brick that finally brings down the wall. Andy Shaw was on the news tonight,he was beside the victims mother. Lets hope it works this time. We all know it was taken care of by King Daley.
Toomin did what he had to do. If Vanecko never spoke to detectives it would be impossible for anyone to come to a conclusion that this was a case of self defense as he made no statements.
I don't think that anyone is ever going to go to jail over this incident, but you can believe that if anyone is thrown under the bus, it will be a member(s) of the CPD.
some questions need to be answered
did any high ranking members of detective division get nice retirement jobs with crook county states attorney office and state police dept
any supervisors or family members receive promotions to command staff
this investigation should be very interesting
maybe someone should look into if h grau was ever promoted to sgt . lt . commander by cpd merit system
ANITA ALVAREZ NEEDS TO STEP DOWN FROM HER OFFICE!!!!
Her biggest problem is her 1st assistant JACK BLAKEY!!!
Jack Blakey is a huge problem --especially if you do not Look like HIM\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
Do you all know that jack was a us attorney but that office told him to quit or be fired? So he quit and who hires him? Anita, his old friend from college days where they both politiced for daley family.
And jack applied to be a us attorney three times. They said no. But on the fourth time his daddy (college professor who helped write laws) dropped a dime once again to daley family who made a call and little jack was hired.
OT: Does anyone have a copy of the "Davis Report" that came out of the Mayor's Office.
I guess the City revealed that they paid over 7 million dollars in differential pay each year to sergeants, lieutenants and captains.
Sound exaggerated to me.
4/06/2012 09:33:00 PM
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SHIFT differential?
Please find out why fop attorney was fired. Whats going on there......
That judge will never advance in Cook County. He just doomed his career!
Anita Alvarez needs to be defeated next election.
Dont go thinkin Kochman was innocent either..Any of you guys remember Rush Street when you were young?..Everyone is shitfaced and looking for a fight. Vanecko might not be innocent, but neither is Kochman!
I know it won't happen but I hope daley and his stooges get hammered for this one real good !! He'd look good in a orange jump suit !!
Just saw daley's body guards at walgreens purchasing 3 extra large packs of Depends ! Hmmmm !
I can't think of a cop or detective that would give any daley, nephew or otherwise, any favorable consideration in any way, shape, or form. This crap burns my ass that everyone is pointing fingers at CPD. Really? When will the citizens finally realize that CPD CANNOT approve murder, or aggravated battery charges (without a dep override) without the asa's approval? This ain't tv folks. Most witnesses are shit when it comes to information, statements, and court anyway, which is why approval is not given in the first place. These idiots are usually all over the tv for their 15 minutes of fame, but won't tell us shit. I'm sorry for the victim's family, but it isn't all in our hands. If it was, daley's asshole nephew would have been charged and making new friends at county.
Maybe they can get Lou Tessman to do the interviews.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-met-police-training-rivera-confession-20120406,0,6220207.story
Who lost the files? prepare for jail kids.
If the police attempted to cover-up the case...don't you think the "fillers" in the lineup would look identical to RJ. Something that would cause an eyewitness to be confused, unable to identify, and/or not sure?
Dont go thinkin Kochman was innocent either..Any of you guys remember Rush Street when you were young?..Everyone is shitfaced and looking for a fight. Vanecko might not be innocent, but neither is Kochman!
4/06/2012 11:34:00 PM
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Yes, because you were there and you know. Or not.
Hiram grau's biggest suckhole is the xo of 019.....he is defending h.g. strongly.
Birds of a feather stick together.
Fuck you Racoon...your day is coming as well.
This is the biggest no brainer and most obvious cover up in the history of chicago. Mayor Daley controls the CPD by appointing the ones in charge. They will do whatever he wants and everyone knows it. Of course there was a cover up. It's a guarantee. Daley and his friends would never allow something to happen to his family.
The big question is....what happened to the police officers that covered it up for Daley? Were they promoted even higher? Were they given special spots? Someone needs to check out the history of the officers that had their names on the covered up investigation. Follow their career's and see if they may have got something for doing what king daley wanted.
Ahhhhh. Good 'ol Felony Review. Only in Cook County !!!!
There are plenty of political "outfit" types on the CPD who would do whatever it took to bury a case or to impede a prosecution. Anyone who does not know this is either new or blind.
I hope that real justice comes forth and that the dirty coppers, prosecutors and pols are charged accordingly.
There is nothing worse than coppers, prosecutors and politicians sworn to uphold the law and to serve, becoming corrupt!
If any member of the CPD obstructed justice in this case, let me volunteer to be the first to put the cuffs on them.
Coppers who do dirty political shit like this are the reason the CPD has turned into the "Meritcloutorious" laughingstock of law enforcement it is today.
Fuck the CLOUT, political, corrupt hacks, they are not, nor ever will be coppers; let alone the "Real Police".
A copper who coversup a murder is as bad as the murderer, maybe worse.
Start looking at the dics involved and who was sponsored by the mob,AKA Chief of Detectives Hanhardt.
That's how the corruption thrives on the CPD, J-Fed's housecleaning purge missed quite a few players.
I hope the special prosecutor is a retired US Attorney that is squeaky clean.
Bye, bye all you rat bastards!
Justice for the Koschman Family!
Why aren't the Feds handling this yet ¿
Hiram, Phil, Anita, Darren and Charley have some splaining to do.
Who was the boss at A3 back then?
May God please give that poor mother some peace. Richie, Anita and their kind are the worst humans possible. God is watching you scumbags, nothing escapes his vision...
The detectives will be given immunity and they should respond truthfully and tell what they know
The only opportunity for them to be liable is if they lie as the statute of limitations has run both criminally and civilly on the initial incidents.
There is no reason to protect the reputation of the Daley/Vanecko family as they do not care about us as their actions relating to our pension fund articulate!
Remember it is not the initial incident that can get you in trouble but rather the coverup that follows!
Watergate is a prime example!
That judge knows the system inside and out. One thing he ain't is naive.
ASA's office. Daley was running it wasn't he?
Anonymous said...
Never, ever, did I ever lose a felony file, nor did I ever hear of the state ever losing one after they started one. Darren O'Brien's wife, if he even has one, might want to learn how to bake a hack-saw blade into some Irish soda bread if she wants to see her asshole again!
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There was no felony file.
Granted, I would have saved the paper in my locker for something like this. But there was no felony file.
Remember Terry Gillespie's wife was appointed Cook County Judge after this.
Anonymous said...
Dont go thinkin Kochman was innocent either..Any of you guys remember Rush Street when you were young?..Everyone is shitfaced and looking for a fight. Vanecko might not be innocent, but neither is Kochman!
4/06/2012 11:34:00 PM
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Yes, because you were there and you know. Or not.
4/07/2012 01:06:00 AM
No, I wasnt there, but Ive spent enough time on Rush Street to know what goes on there!
Always liked Toomin as a judge - fair and impartial. State's Attorney's office is immune from lawsuits so it will fall on the CPD if it happens.
It is pretty hard to defend the actions of the detective divison on this one, and i say this even if the dicks assigned to the case did nothing wrong. The time it took to even investigate this matter, the manner in which statements were taken from key witnesses, the losing of files and the failure to insist on chages when the offender in the matter lawyered up. These mistakes happen in other jurisdictions, but should not happen in this great city and this great department. Even the judge has pointed out these glaring errors.
"Dont go thinkin Kochman was innocent either..Any of you guys remember Rush Street when you were young?"
--4/06/2012 11:34:00 PM
Yup. Lived down there, drank down there.
"Everyone is shitfaced and looking for a fight."
Nope. Sorry. Only problem I ever had was one idiot in -- why advertise. I left and never went back -- every place else sold the same beer.
Don't project.
"Vanecko might not be innocent, but neither is Kochman!"
Yeah, nobody's OK.
After all, you know what you're like.
Criminal charges against Vanecko are not possible unless he is given immunity and commits perjury.
The detectives can face criminal charges if they lie to the Grand Jury.
Burge would not be in jail if he had not perjured himself when Flint Taylor set him up.
The Vanecko's belong in jail for stealing from our pension fund!
I can't think of a cop or detective that would give any daley, nephew or otherwise, any favorable consideration in any way, shape, or form...
4/06/2012 11:56:00 PM
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Really? You can't think of one cop who benefitted from supporting that family? I bet you never see them handing out flyers for the democrats at polling places either. Don't be a shmuck. These idiots are all around you and have been promoted past their ability levels.
This will get investigated and after the election a few low level fish will get some slaps on the wrist and the crime machine that runs Chicago and CPD will go merrily along.
How many times have there been investigations of various sorts and they end up with a lot of noise and no change. You really think greylord did any good? Are the judges in Cook County any less crooked now than before that so called investigation?
How about the fiascoes with Blago and Ryan? Part of the deal when you become the front men for the crime bosses is you agree to take the heat when it comes. Same as when you go to work for a politician. Just part of the deal if you want to play in that world.
Not a cop.
I cant believe Im seeing fellow coppers( I hope anyway) siding with Flint Taylor. One of the biggest scumbags alive today..Im embarrassed!
...Looks like the Daley Crime Family is starting to fall apart. Hopefully Richie and his son are next. Bwwweeeeeerrrpppp !
This all started with the piece of shit old man. Instead of just taking the annual piss on a certain spot at Holy Sepulcher, I'm going to leave a steamer.
get maria before the grand jury
she could be the one to tell all and receive a 10 day sentence
Anonymous said...
Problem is, the lawyers won't be getting indicted and charged. The police will. Stop supporting this inquiry. Shit flows downhill, SCC.
4/06/2012 08:44:00 PM
You couldn't be more correct. If you heard all of what the Judge said, he stated there was NO conflict with Alvarez. What he did say was that the POLICE DEPARTMENT falsified reports and mishandled the case. THAT is why he appointed a special prosecutor. This is not going to go well for CPD.
Now a special prosecutor will milk the county for millions to reach the same conclusion that detectives knew years ago - there was not enough evidence to charge the case. Remember, the Scum Times doesn't report all the facts
(OT) SCC this piece from o'reilly factor should be front page! "We don't shoot white people?" Why? "They are our biggest customers for dope!
http://www.billoreilly.com/video?chartID=610&vid=-933708378229554938
Anonymous said...
Dont go thinkin Kochman was innocent either..Any of you guys remember Rush Street when you were young?..Everyone is shitfaced and looking for a fight. Vanecko might not be innocent, but neither is Kochman!
4/06/2012 11:34:00 PM
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Yes, because you were there and you know. Or not.
4/07/2012 01:06:00 AM
Good point. A 5-06, 140 lb male against a 6-03, 230 male. Sounds like a fair fight to me. I am sure Kochman could have done a lot of damage against vanecko. Really? Then vanecko runs away like the dick he is. And the lost files? This case absolutely stinks. Even the judge said the same thing.
Its all BS and media until they name the special prosecutor. That will tell how serious they are about the investigation Do they name an independent or a retired 85 year old judge whos been in politics for 65 years
Justice for Koschman!! Funny thing President Yomama doesn't speak on this important issue, maybe if he looked like Baracks "unborn son" he would give this some much needed national media attention. And fuck you RAHM, you are as transparent as snot.
Some detectives involved are still on the job...as detectives ...no promotions. Others are retired, and retired as detectives...no promotions. The sergeant retired...as a sergeant. Other sergeants from A/3 at the time are still on the job...as sergeants...no promotions. The lieutenant retired...as a lieutenant...no promotion. None drive expensive cars or live in luxury. Let me say this one more time. I'll say it slowly so the "haters" can understand me. NO ONE RECEIVED ANYTHING TO FIX THIS BAG OF SH#T HANDED TO THEM. It simply wasn't 'fixed'.
Toomin must be made he didn't get Appellate Court slating. Either that or he is losing it. Or both.
That case was and always will be bullshit. The right thing will still happen which is nothing.
Except it will cost a ton of money, it will drag good former CPD detectives through the mud.
And next time there is a commotion by the these lowlife attorneys for a special prosecutor in a police shooting, they will be using this as precedent.
Happy now?
not 1 thing will happen, Feds wont either. Special prosecutor will say there is not enough to indict
The amazing part of this whole travesty of justice is that it has been a weekly news feature, including the poor Mother begging and pleading for justice, and the powers-that-be arrogantly and spitefully impede the law.
Justice is coming!
The good citizens and public servants demand it!
Enough of the corruption and lies!
To the daley fluffers posting, there's accounts out there alleging that Koschman was beefing with vaneckos friend not vanecko, and that vanecko blindsided the kid. If true, puts things in a whole different light. Hope you sleep well r.j. because you know you'll be real popular in the joint.
Yeah some lineup. A month later and the detectives knew vanecko had substantially changed his appearance. This thing stinks. Regardless of whether vanecko should have been convicted of anything or even charged, justice was subverted. To help who, an otherwiswe standup guy who used bad judgement. No for a scumbag from a long line of scumbags.
----I can't think of a cop or detective that would give any daley, nephew or otherwise, any favorable consideration in any way, shape, or form.
Who helped bury batboys incidents. UhHuh.
NO ONE RECEIVED ANYTHING TO FIX THIS BAG OF SH#T HANDED TO THEM. It simply wasn't 'fixed'.
So you did it for free?
Boy detectives are Dumb.
Rod Blago is looking for a cellie.
How about Flimsy Flint???????. If they ever found out about his past clients. The case could look rather fishy.
NO ONE RECEIVED ANYTHING TO FIX THIS BAG OF SH#T HANDED TO THEM. It simply wasn't 'fixed'.
So you did it for free?
Boy detectives are Dumb.
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Apparently you don't have the mental capacity to process what you read. Again....the last line in my post reads: It simply wasn't 'fixed'.
No amount of hoping or praying by you, any other conspiracy nuts, or even a "special investigation" can change that fact.
Happy now?
4/07/2012 04:03:00 PM
As a matter of fact, yes I am.
How about fuck the judge. We investigate and present the case to the Asa. These courts and politicians tie our hands and now know how an investigation should be run.
4/06/2012 05:40:00 PM
If you really think that this is how an investigation should be run, you, my friend, are very ignorant of how things are really being conducted in most of the country. An independent look at the entire investigation will show how incompetent the investigation really was, despite any claims of lack of evidence to indict. The one fact stands out loud and clear: The department had an open homicide case for 7 years in this matter and never moved to take written statements from key witnesses or continue to canvass the crime scene area for additional witnesses. Now the claims come forward from witnesses that the police reports are lies and the police have nothing to substantiate their versions.Good investigation? Bullshit. These poor excused for investigations is one reason that the city loses in so many lawsuits.
Good work by the mother for not letting it rest, for fighting for her son. God bless her.
Who knows how for any of these dirty rabbit holes go? Ask of the special people who have found themselves under indictment and wearing prison issues. It happens a little bit at a time and them all at once.
Everyone involved in this murder cover up should burn.
Anita got all indignant 'n shit!
"The one fact stands out loud and clear: The department had an open homicide case for 7 years in this matter and never moved to take written statements from key witnesses or continue to canvass the crime scene area for additional witnesses."
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The key witnesses couldn't ID anyone in a line up and they were drunk when it happened. Written statement? Ha! And how do you know there was no canvass? Were you there? Or did you read that "fact" in the papers?
Anonymous said...
How about fuck the judge. We investigate and present the case to the Asa. These courts and politicians tie our hands and now know how an investigation should be run.
4/06/2012 05:40:00 PM
If you really think that this is how an investigation should be run, you, my friend, are very ignorant of how things are really being conducted in most of the country. An independent look at the entire investigation will show how incompetent the investigation really was, despite any claims of lack of evidence to indict. The one fact stands out loud and clear: The department had an open homicide case for 7 years in this matter and never moved to take written statements from key witnesses or continue to canvass the crime scene area for additional witnesses. Now the claims come forward from witnesses that the police reports are lies and the police have nothing to substantiate their versions.Good investigation? Bullshit. These poor excused for investigations is one reason that the city loses in so many lawsuits.
4/08/2012 09:36:00 AM
You sir are an idiot. "Written Statements" from who? This does not get charged you can not run another line up with the same witnesses the already excluded the offender. You are obviously not a detective, so keep blowing off your jobs,keep being afraid of black people and continue to go to 7 Eleven for free coffee.
By the way if you think Vanecko is chargeable go throw some cuffs on him, bring him to the area, and start rounding up witnesses, you fucking soft ball.
By the way if you think Vanecko is chargeable go throw some cuffs on him, bring him to the area, and start rounding up witnesses, you fucking soft ball.
4/08/2012 11:41:00 PM
You can throw insults all you want. The real truth will come out with the special prosecutor and I believe he will show, as the judge has commented, on how poor of a job the detective did. Learn what is happening in other parts of the country in criminal investigations before you tell me I do not know what I am talking about. Chicagohas become too inbred in how they do business.
For the defenders of the police investigtion in this matter, you have not been hearing what many judges are saying about the quality of chicago police detectives and their investigations. You have not read the depositions in civil cases where judgements have been rendered against the city. You have not talked to defense attorneys and private investigators about how easy it is to blow holes in your investigations. And you have never seen or read an investigtive file from other major cities. Thinkg should be changed in this town.
You mean you, as a detective, and I use that word loosely, do not take written statements from a key witness in a homicide case?
Vaneko is never going to get justice here. Not because of clout or anything. It's because the case has gotten so tangled up that everyone looks guilty whether they are or not.
Imagine what would have happened if everyone had just gone to the police as they should have. It woulda been a simple bar fight problem. Yeah, maybe there would have been an agg batt charge, one that would have gotten pled down.
But now, there's no way truth has a prayer of prevailing. Everyone has either changed stories, or had stories changed for them. Just crazy.
cant wait for the judge to slip in the shower or get hit by the phantom hit and run motorist ie daley crime family
The key witnesses couldn't ID anyone in a line up and they were drunk when it happened. Written statement? Ha! And how do you know there was no canvass? Were you there? Or did you read that "fact" in the papers?
4/08/2012 08:15:00 PM
Drunk or drinking? a big difference. And, yes, there was little canvass and no decent follow up investigation until many days after the incident. No matter how you try to justify such a poor investigation, the judge saw through this and commented so. Will there be an arrest or indictment? Who really knows. But the facts remain it was a poor investigation all the way around.Lost reports? Oh my! No indexing of reports and files. No, not really. So, who knows what originally went into the files. No written statemetns from key witnesses? No not that either.No attempt to find the alleged offender until weeks later> ??You call this an investigation? I dont care who the victim or offender is, they deserve better then this.
Some detectives involved are still on the job...as detectives ...no promotions. Others are retired, and retired as detectives...no promotions. The sergeant retired...as a sergeant. Other sergeants from A/3 at the time are still on the job...as sergeants...no promotions. The lieutenant retired...as a lieutenant...no promotion. None drive expensive cars or live in luxury. Let me say this one more time. I'll say it slowly so the "haters" can understand me. NO ONE RECEIVED ANYTHING TO FIX THIS BAG OF SH#T HANDED TO THEM. It simply wasn't 'fixed'.
All true. People don't get charged in one punch fights when everyone is drunk. Or even two or three punch fights. Nobody on the CPD put their neck on a chopping block for this guy Vanecko. this case is what it is. Look up how many similar cases haven't been charged since. Plenty.
The problem with this case is that NONE of these witnesses, on EITHER side, are reliable. Vanecko's buddies lied that night because, well, that's what buddies do after one of your idiot friends gets into a bar fight, and I don't believe a word that ANY of Koschman's friends say, since every time they talk to a different agency their story changes depending on what the Times tells them to say. Those clowns don't remember shit from that night and it's funny that everything they are saying now is being taken as gospel. Sorry people, nothing is coming from this, nor should it.
Anonymous said...
You mean you, as a detective, and I use that word loosely, do not take written statements from a key witness in a homicide case?
4/09/2012 10:12:00 AM
No I would take a video taped statement, only after consulting with the ASA. If I wanted to exclude somebody I would take a hand written statement most likely in the presence of an ASA, but more than likely the ASA would take the handwritten statement. We as the police seldom take handwritten statements without the ASA present. Get some time on the job officer, I use the term loosely, very loosely.
No I would take a video taped statement, only after consulting with the ASA. If I wanted to exclude somebody I would take a hand written statement most likely in the presence of an ASA, but more than likely the ASA would take the handwritten statement. We as the police seldom take handwritten statements without the ASA present. Get some time on the job officer, I use the term loosely, very loosely.
4/10/2012 06:07:00 PM
No I would take a video taped statement, only after consulting with the ASA. If I wanted to exclude somebody I would take a hand written statement most likely in the presence of an ASA, but more than likely the ASA would take the handwritten statement. We as the police seldom take handwritten statements without the ASA present. Get some time on the job officer, I use the term loosely, very loosely.
4/10/2012 06:07:00 PM
And, here is one thing wrong with your approach and one thing that was roundly critisized by the judge. Not only where written statements not taken, but video statements were made. Handwritten statements taken by an ASA are easily challlenged in court as they are not in the words of the person signing the statement.
The judge was not happy with the way the police conducted the investigation and wrote the reports. I don't care how many detectives try to justify what they do, the current process leaves them open to criticism. They are only doing what someone taught them to do, but that does not make it the correct way or the best way.
I understand many hated Daley, but some of the comments here sound no different than some of the comments made in the press regarding the Travon Martin case by the biased media.
If you truly believe Vanecko is guilty based on some facts, that's cool. But to convict the kid cause you hate his uncle isnt cool at all! In fact, if thats the case you should be ashamed of yourselves. Come on guys, were supposed to be better than that!
If a detective only takes statements after a consultation with the states attorney, who is really running the investigation? The police or the states attorney? The police should conduct their investigation and then bring it to the prosecutor, not the other way around.When things go bad, as they did in this case then both sides get to point fingers at each other and pass the blame. Whether it is a written or a tape statement, a critical witness in a homicide investigation should have their statemet memoralized. Now, as you can see the witnesses have given sworn statements saying the detectives reports are not true and accurate. And, this includes at least one independent witness. Chicago has been embarassed way too many times in the past over their homicide investigations. Maybe it is time for a change in procedures.
Anonymous said...
If a detective only takes statements after a consultation with the states attorney, who is really running the investigation? The police or the states attorney? The police should conduct their investigation and then bring it to the prosecutor, not the other way around.When things go bad, as they did in this case then both sides get to point fingers at each other and pass the blame. Whether it is a written or a tape statement, a critical witness in a homicide investigation should have their statemet memoralized. Now, as you can see the witnesses have given sworn statements saying the detectives reports are not true and accurate. And, this includes at least one independent witness. Chicago has been embarassed way too many times in the past over their homicide investigations. Maybe it is time for a change in procedures.
How many murder investigations have you run? We present the case the state charges the case or they C.I. or reject. The state decides who they want to put on "paper."
How many murder investigations have you run? We present the case the state charges the case or they C.I. or reject. The state decides who they want to put on "paper."
4/10/2012 11:40:00 PM
A whole lot more then you have, but in a different era. The state should never decide who is on " paper". From what I am hearing, there is no way you or anyone else can justify what was done in this investigation. Regardless of the guilt or innocence of anyone, this is an embarassment for CPD. I really do not think that any detective threw the case for his/her benefit.The only reason some things are done now in homicide cases is because of a state law and massive law suits that cost the city money. things were going backwards for a few years. You need a chief of detectives who actually was a detective.
Is this what the detective division has come down to? A detective cannot take a witness statment and memorialize it without the permission of the states' attorney? Good God!
If you take handwritten or court reported statements from one side you have to do for the other side (Vanecko's pals)
Or risk the appearance of unfairness and will be under great scrutiny if the case goes to court. Don't forget, Vanecko's pals are witnesses too. That being done, it's still a tie, no?
Who do you believe?
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