More Bad Moves
Chicago Police Department officials exchanged a total of 297 emails — an average of six a day — during last year’s reinvestigation of a 2004 homicide case involving a nephew of then-Mayor Richard M. Daley, newly obtained records show.
The police refuse to make public those emails concerning the case of David Koschman, who died after being punched in the face by Daley nephew Richard J. “R.J.” Vanecko, an act they decided was self-defense. The case is now the subject of a probe by a special prosecutor appointed as a result of a Chicago Sun-Times investigation.
Transcripts of the emails exchanged in January and February 2011 total “several hundred pages of documents,” according to the police, who rejected a public records request for the emails.
Citing an exemption in the Illinois Freedom of Information Act, they said the newspaper’s request would be “unduly burdensome” to fulfill. They estimated that “reading, redacting and reviewing” those emails would take officials at least 40 hours.
Every single move has been the wrong one.
Labels: we got nothing
posted by SCC at 12:06 AM
93 Comments:
I'll read um/ Not a cop, but nurses can read too ya know.
no time due in 008,is that true? wtf
It smells like someone just shit them self! HA!
Eventually the truth will come out about how daley told the cpd to make it just go away.
Talk about digging yourself deeper into the hole.
Are there any working brain cells at HQ??
When all is said and done, the truth that Patrick Daley, famous for his hot temper, alcohol consumption and quick fists, will come out. His cousin was picked to be the fall guy by the old man himself.
Once the true story starts coming out it will be like a tsunami. There are definite criminal acts here and that may well force someone to look for some cover by telling the truth.
"Every single move has been the wrong one.
posted by SCC at 12:06 AM on Jun 20, 2012"
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Have you forgotten what police department you post about? When has this dumb shit outfit ever done anything smart? That they appeared to have a success with NATO had more to do with thousands of protestors who never showed up than anything the Department did.
Whoever sent the G8 to Camp David was more responsible for the illusion of Police Strategic Brilliance than any of the goofball strategists at 3510 S Michigan.
If another 25,000 protestors came here and if G8 extended the demands on police for another week the outcome would no doubt have been completely different.
Anonymous said...
Talk about digging yourself deeper into the hole.
Are there any working brain cells at HQ??
6/20/2012 02:50:00 AM
Very few.
Bosses love Blackberries!
Detectives compose in CHRIS/CLEAR!
Everything is saved in cyberspace and I predict Webb will find it and BOSSES will be indicted along with Vanecko.
Oh yes, I exchange 6 emails a day regarding my cases all the time--Limberger cheese is starting to smell like roses compared to this case!
A subpoena is in order forthwith!
Would, you think these emails,could,be between City Hall and the CPD ? How dumb to make a record with emails . Whose going to be the first fall guy, Detectives, ASA, or maybe even a boss ? You know this is not going to rest, the first guy to open his mouth will get the big break. OK boys and girls it is time to take care of number one and not the Daley's.
They are probably still trying to cover for whatever asshole sold his soul to the devil and the democratic machine so he could collect his scraps from their table.
Sometimes you have to ask yourself if doing the right thing is more important than kissing a politician's evil asshole, eh?
Webb’s team recently interviewed four Koschman friends who were with him on the spring night in 2004 when their drunken encounter with Vanecko and a group of his friends on Division Street near Dearborn Street ended with Vanecko running away and Koschman knocked out by a single punch, never to regain consciousness before he died 11 days later at Northwestern Memorial Hospital.
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My memory is bad, but didn't a copper spend time in jail in Iowa for punching a guy who punched him first and the guy wasn't even injured?
And if somebody could find out that there were 'X' number of emails exchanged, I would guess that there must be a record somewhere.
daley is dating sally fields now. this is the gossip going around.
Hey SCC: CPD officers need to learn to drive a little better. I was on the Edens spurr last night during rush hour only to see a marked CPD car (no idea what he was doing that far north) going about 80 in the shoulder to pass a line of traffic. Remember, the badge is not a licence to drive like a douche.
Some people get and have to trudge through 297 emails in a regular work day...They are definitely back peddling.
I will help you read them too! Not a cop, but 20+ years working in an office. Business has never been this slow in construction. I have time to kill. I have access to e-mail, web, printer, scanner, etc.
19P
They have nothing to worry about. The next step is to appeal to the FOIA state administrator who will review the refusal and decide if the information should be released. Who is the state administrator? Why, Lisa Madigan's office, of course.
The request is from a newspaper, for public dissemination.
Sounds like the Vinny Barbarino defense...what...who...where...
Forty years after Watergate somebody should have figured out that the cover up is always worse than the actual crime!
they would make the time if they were trying to fuck another cop over!!!!
I can only imagine the downward spiral effect that these emails can or could cause. Heads would roll. They department can face a HUGE BLACK EYE if this goes public. I have seen emails that bosses type. How stupid can one be knowing that all this stuff can become public record. But I guess their excuse would be..... I left my email signed on after I left the office. Wasn't me but looks like me.
Why is it that every single move the Department has made during this re-investigation is 100% the wrong one?
Because it deals with the Daley Crime Family!
Hope springs eternal...
Remember this?:
Dec. 17th 2007
Twenty-four years after he allegedly told a reform school classmate, "I am going to get away with murder. I am a Kennedy," the 41-year-old nephew of Ethel Kennedy was convicted Friday of the 1975 murder of Martha Moxley.
Michael Skakel, standing with his hands clasped behind his back, winced and shifted his feet slightly when the jury foreman announced the verdict at 10:55 a.m. A gasp arose from the gallery. Skakel's brother David sobbed quietly.
http://articles.cnn.com/2007-12-17/us/court.archive.skakel7_1_thomas-skakel-kenneth-littleton-dorthy-moxley?_s=PM:US
I'll volunteer. That poor mother.
Zimmerman flew and Tyler knew----Turk 182
Sound familiar?
And after the emails are examined the world will see why so many merit promote's are assigned to the detective division as sergeants and lieutenants. There they do exactly as they're told to do, especially when it means undermining an investigation for political expediency. On any other day they couldn't detect their asses with their own hands.
rapids and wagons in 008 cant even take time on the end.
Maybe the feds could donate some hours and read them for our bosses.....just saying..
As much as I don't like it and want to see Vanecko charged and make a deal to name Richie in something which would land him in jail (like maybe the parking meter deal) I can see not realasing private emails until there is a case in court.
Why the Fuck would you EMAIL someone about this??
Once the investigators start putting the pieces together, they'll find there's a Loyola Academy conection here....one of the lead detectives in the case had a kid, now a Chicago detective, that went to school with Vanecko at LA
I'm sure the whole fiasco was orchestrated by Daley, but it will be hard to prove. He didn't get the nickname "teflon" for nothing. I'd love to see him do time and pay punitive for this whole cover up, however you know that it will be numerous officers/detectives that take the fall for this. Daley will probably make a deal under the table with someone who will be the scapegoat; they will take care of the fall guy's family while he does some time and when he get's out there will be a pay-off in the form of a high-paying cush job under Daley's order. And th, th, tha that's all folks!
The truth might come out but nothing will happen, they will get another Fitzgerald to protect the chosen few.
Whether there is something to hide or not, rejecting the request is all about setting, or not setting, a precedent. The rejected party is well aware of the next step(s) to take. Once they jump through all the hoops, the information will be given to them. It's all part of the process, or the dance, so to speak, and it is just a matter of time.
And, in the interim, if there is anyone trying to bury anything, it will be found out and they will experience serious regret. Each grave will undoubtedly be exhumed and Anita will be tickled to drape the grave digger(s) over a pommel horse for a wide and far-reaching prosecutorial colonoscopy.
I thought you told us to not comment on the blog at the meeting.
Why are you commenting on the blog?
Practice what you preech.
Oh, that's right I never see you in church anyway.
008 commander is a douche bag and has lost all control. Keep micro managing pin head this guy is no leader and is ignorant as they come.
Maybe because it was a cover-up?
I'm not sayin, I'm just sayin...
the cover up is going to sink people and rightfully so
Nice to see the blog posting this story. Looking bad for the department as a whole. Not a cop, but emails are kept forever, unless you can find the tapes. Due to SOX compliance (Sarbanes-Oxley) you must keep emails and text messages. The telco provider can be forced to give those up.
I like OT. I don't want the city to hire any more cops because I like OT.
Quite obvious now that the upper Command of the Chicago Police Department is just another arm of the Democommunist City of Chicago Political Regime.
Chicago PD will forever be known as a Corrupt Police Department nationwide, run by corrupt Politicians and Police Supervisors, as integrity is a defunct concept with these types.
Anywhere you can be a complete Imbecile and still buy Rank thru payoffs, Pay to Play, Nepotism, exchanging of favors, sexual and otherwise, etc; and crap all over the legitimate Promotional process, even rigging that, with a castrated bunch of political Tools in the CPD Internal Affairs, who have failed to stop even ONE event of promotion via political corruption, as well as a Blinders-On Attorney General, States Attorney, Feds, and incompetent Shakman Investigators and Inspector General, is bound to lead to a complete network of Corruption, which the CPD is neck-deep into, along with the rest of the City Departments, Crook County Departments, and State of Illinois Departments. The entire State of Illinois is, a complete Cesspool of Corruption, bribery, massive Theft, Fraud, and Incompetence gone Wild.
Time for a grand jury
Feds have to come in on the Koschman from-Vanecko-Daley case.
CPD and States Atty have already demonstrated their complicity in the conspiracy, stonewalling and "lost" files, disregarding witness testimony, et al.
We all need the US Atty to take this over - and taken away from that goofball insider Webb.
It's unfortunate.....the handful of bad cops involved with this stains the WHOLE department. Nobody gets a pass on this. How much more of this shit can you honest, good cops stomach? Not sure who the bigger pussy is here....RJ, or, all the people who know something but won't come forward? Protecting a Daley, how much lower can you go? Good luck, pussies.
I want Daleys head on a platter not his nephew. He created this mess of a city. His head should roll!
As a detective I was once told by an old timer that if it weren't for laziness nobody would ever get jammed up. He said telephones were meant to order pizzas with, not conduct conversations.
First, policemen are lazy and bosses love to play on their blackberrys. Those blackberrys emails all go through the dept's system and is saved. I bet those lazy bosses had more than a few questionable emails to each other regarding the incident. I pray some gold stars get served a big pile of embarrassing shit to eat when this all comes out.
Standard Operating Procedure. Deny the request as being too hard to produce the documents.
Ask yourself what would have to be read or redacted from the emails?
We all know that there has been and still is a cover up of this kids death. Now they are hiding there own involvement in it after the past mayor is gone and so is there protection.
The Superintendent says that the stats show his strategies are working and that Murders are actually down. Well unless people start rising from the dead we will be up again this month with 10 days to go.
These are not year to date totals these are the totals for the month so we have already meet last years total for June.
Homicides totals in Chicago, 2012 compared to 2011
Month 2011 2012
January 28 40
February 24 28
March 23 53
April 30 40
May 38 50
June 33 33
176 244
"...an exemption in the Illinois Freedom of Information Act...[for] “unduly burdensome” [requests]."
...and now we see the spirit in wich this legislation was drafted.
You think this is bad? This is nothing. There are some counties in this state that will not even admit to having telephone numbers.
The worst part is that a lot of the public equate these shenanigans with the average copper and think that they are as involved with this mess as the higher ups and the politicians.
This is just another example of the two-tiered levels of discipline/enforcement.
Was yesterday's union meeting the last of the summer? Does the contract expire in 10 days?
I'm wasn't going fishing today anyway!
Some jag cops are protecting Daley. Big deal, happens all the time.
I'm just wondering how that sits with the 99% of the CPD that hates everything Daley? I think a grass fucking roots effort is in order here guys. Weed out the shit in your department that is covering this up. Roast the bastards.....
100% decrease in shootings on my beat yesterday.the day before 1 shot, yesterday 0 shot. I love CONstat!
This is all just Silly and this is the first I am hearing of any of this. Silly, just silly I say.
I don't even know how to email, did you remember how long it took me to pass the bar exam? Silly, just silly.
19P is right.
Hope springs eternal...
Remember this?:
Dec. 17th 2007
Twenty-four years after he allegedly told a reform school classmate, "I am going to get away with murder. I am a Kennedy," the 41-year-old nephew of Ethel Kennedy was convicted Friday of the 1975 murder of Martha Moxley.
Michael Skakel, standing with his hands clasped behind his back, winced and shifted his feet slightly when the jury foreman announced the verdict at 10:55 a.m. A gasp arose from the gallery. Skakel's brother David sobbed quietly.
http://articles.cnn.com/2007-12-17/us/court.archive.skakel7_1_thomas-skakel-kenneth-littleton-dorthy-moxley?_s=PM:US
6/20/2012 08:19:00 AM
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Yep...and then there was Holly Maddux murdered by Ira Einhorn who avoided justice for decades because of political (Arlen Spector) and monied influence but he's rotting in jail now.
It may take some time but that's where Vanecko is headed.
Karma
-not a cop
Everybody involved get on the bus. Make your deal. Let shortshanks fall on his OWN sword this time. Those that don't I hope they take your pension.
Maybe Racoon Eyes can claim Executive Privilege and keep the emails locked up for good.
This is a fucking disaster that needs to be over with. Release the info, let the heads roll, and let's move on to the next copper who smears the name of the department.
OT: Speaking of heads rolling, I see Nancy Jones is "retiring" as M.E.
Retiring huh? Have a feeling Mr. Prickwinkle forced this. Retire, resign, or be fired. If I was Jones I would have left awhile back. She's taking all the heat for an office that can't keep up with the indigent, unidentified(not wanted) bodies. The way things are going I'm curious to see who's quick to jump and take that shit job....no idea what it pays, but fuck it! This city needs 2 or 3 M.E.s at this point( or a bigger morgue). Anyone have a recent tally of bodies in the cooler?
Can someone hand me another piece of chalk?
"I was on the Edens spurr last night during rush hour only to see a marked CPD car (no idea what he was doing that far north) going about 80 in the shoulder to pass a line of traffic."
That's funny. I think I saw that same cop car. It was probably around 5:30pm or so and I also wondered why he was so far up north. I wish I could drive on the shoulder, the back up at the spur is always bad. Maybe I'll get one of those flashing lights I can toss up on the roof at any time like Starsky & Hutch had.
Hey! Another 30 minutes without a shooting on my beat! Shootings are down another 100% over the last hour. I sure these stats get to the negotiations table.
Time for an executive privilege
Anonymous said...
008 commander is a douche bag and has lost all control. Keep micro managing pin head this guy is no leader and is ignorant as they come.
Maybe he'll follow in the footsteps of the 25th District Commander, who put in his papers for a Mid July retirement. Bye Bye Hector!
Thanks for the info. 1:32pm :)
Vanecko wasn't there that night. That's why he wasn't ID'ed. Patrick Daley killed kid. Then he joined the US Army to hide. Vanecko's lawyer, Terry Gillespie ”managed” the line up. Gillespie had a big job, Chief of 1st Municipal, in the State's Attorney's office under Daley. Gillespie.s wife, Pamela Hughes Gillespie, was appointed Judge as payback. Now everyone go back to re-electing Barry and electing Shortshanks'nephew, Patrick Thompson.
Or find cheese in Wisconsin...
Maybe a world class hacker could "find" these e-mails?
IPRA / IAD are always pulling up officer's private cell phone records, in car camera, car to car chatter on computers, and you have no right to privacy on dept email!!!! But yet the Dept say it's impossible to pull up these texts. Good luck with that argument. Our legal affairs and corp counsel is no match for Dan Webb and his crew! This is an on going criminal investigation and yet we allow the destruction of files - even if they are texts. This policy will change very quickly!
loser goes to hospital, winner goes to jail. Where did I hear this before??
guess nato bullshit is yet to be over backpack with wires hanging out found on the seldom used back stairwell of 009's parking garage access right from sidewalk weren"t those terrorist idiots by 009 just indicted yesterday? be careful boys and girls
What's the over/under on the highest ranked copper that gets thrown under the bus to make this one go away ?
Though lacking the high-level clout of the Vanecko case, A-3 botched the Kevin Clewer homicide as well.
Still unsolved as the lead suspect didn't fit into the stonewalling and inept dets. scenario.
And other Dets who did look into the case were transferred out.
May have been tied to at least 2 other similar homicides, Brad Winters and Richard Markley.
Unbelievable.
Anonymous said...
Was yesterday's union meeting the last of the summer? Does the contract expire in 10 days?
I'm wasn't going fishing today anyway!
6/20/2012 02:48:00 PM
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You have to wonder if the FOP is in fact "covered" as Shields says by state law or if in fact the expiring contract is it for the FOP.
The city gave the firemen a list of items that they want to negotiate BUT nothing from the city to the FOP.
Makes one say, "Hmmmmmmm"
daley is dating sally fields now. this is the gossip going around.
6/20/2012 06:54:00 AM
shanks likes me. he really likes me.
Sally Fields
500 recruits called off the list last week. less than 200 actually showed up and passed the power test. That's of course before the drug, polygraph and background investigation. They'll be left with about 50 qualified after that.
I heard only 1 single email was sent to notify the people to show up for test. Fucking genious!
Vanecko wasn't there that night. That's why he wasn't ID'ed. Patrick Daley killed kid. Then he joined the US Army to hide. Vanecko's lawyer, Terry Gillespie ”managed” the line up. Gillespie had a big job, Chief of 1st Municipal, in the State's Attorney's office under Daley. Gillespie.s wife, Pamela Hughes Gillespie, was appointed Judge as payback. Now everyone go back to re-electing Barry and electing Shortshanks'nephew, Patrick Thompson.
6/20/2012 05:33:00 PM
I am with you on this one. Right on the money.
Cover up from beginning to end.
---not a cop
Isn't that The Chicago Way?
(Obama-Holder pulling the same stunt.)
I DUNNO NUTTIN' !
If they (all) did nothing wrong, why not show the files?
Then there's the cell phone records to correspond with those emails...oops!
What loyalty, no self respect or conscience, but loads loyalty to Shortshanks.
Off topic but wtf! Sgt ey and lt Ac get 30 days from police board and others with much less actions get heavy time or firing? Police BD gotta go.
Anonymous said...
500 recruits called off the list last week. less than 200 actually showed up and passed the power test. That's of course before the drug, polygraph and background investigation. They'll be left with about 50 qualified after that.
I heard only 1 single email was sent to notify the people to show up for test. Fucking genious!
6/20/2012 08:52:00 PM
Just another crack in the wall! When they get done how many will they get? 10-25 max? I hope and pray they hire thousands to shore up my pension,that God willing I will be collecting in 2 short years!
Lil Hi the Dept Supt at the time of all this will fold in a heart beat. Even though he was on furlough you know he was kept informed. He will also throw the potato back into Chief Maher's lap because he will say she was in charge.Hope the Det's survive all of this.I think most are retired.
The Medical Examiner should claim she was pushed out because she's white .
This case never ever gets charged in Cook County. Negative line ups means nobody is charged. VANECKO could come in and give it up under a light, and the case still never gets charged. You don't believe me go to any area grab a runner and try working a murder.
I hate DALEY, he is a simpleton and a piece of shit, I want to see the VANECKO go to jail, but this is Cook County and unless VANECKO was the police, this case is never charged.
"Maybe he'll follow in the footsteps of the 25th District Commander, who put in his papers for a Mid July retirement. Bye Bye Hector!
6/20/2012 05:11:00 PM"
He has the time but not the age. Why would he leave? He still has more climbing to do
"Maybe he'll follow in the footsteps of the 25th District Commander, who put in his papers for a Mid July retirement. Bye Bye Hector!
6/20/2012 05:11:00 PM"
He has the time but not the age. Why would he leave? He still has more climbing to do
6/21/2012 12:48:00 AM
Maybe because he's got a nice new job waiting for him.
Anonymous said...
"...Hope the Det's survive all of this. I think most are retired.
6/20/2012 10:45:00 PM
IF the Det's are legitimately NOT to blame, I agree, BUT IF they did ANYTHING to influence this case, let THEM do the jail time that Vanecko or Daley or whoever should have gotten.
If cops or ASA's f'd up this case so bad that the guilty party cannot be charged, I hope SOMEBODY gets charged by the Feds like they went after Bill Cozzi... nail 'em for a civil rights violation. Just do SOMETHING!
They need the emails to and from Cline, Maher and Li'l Tom Byrne. That'll tell you what happened.
This is the real reason Mayor Daley stepped down and Obama asked Bill Daley to step down as his Chief of Staff.
The city is just stonewalling the inevitable!
Justice will come to the Koschman family but it will take time!
Anonymous said...
Hey SCC: CPD officers need to learn to drive a little better. I was on the Edens spurr last night during rush hour only to see a marked CPD car (no idea what he was doing that far north) going about 80 in the shoulder to pass a line of traffic. Remember, the badge is not a licence to drive like a douche.
Stop whining crybaby and move to right when there are sirens and lights. Jealous wimp...
I hope that they take all the corrupt cops and politicians that covered up for the murder that Patrick Daley did to Alcatraz.
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