Gang Art Goes to DC
If there was any doubt in anyone's mind that Luis Gutierrez is a gang supporter, this should put it to rest:
- A teen's piece of art that was chosen, and then disqualified, to adorn Chicago's vehicle stickers amid concerns of gang imagery is headed to the complex of the U.S. Capitol in Washington, D.C.Herbie Pulgar, 15, and his mother will travel to D.C. this week at the request of Rep. Luis Gutierrez. The Chicago Democrat chose Pulgar's design, which the teen said honors police officers, firefighters and paramedics, to represent the district as part of the 2012 Congressional Art Contest.“Herbie is a great kid who deserves recognition and praise for this wonderful and positive piece of art. I think it’s a credit to Herbie and his family that he chose to honor Chicago’s first responders and I’m very proud to have his artwork represent the Fourth Congressional District in Washington, D.C.," Gutierrez said in a statement.
No mention of Herbie's arrests. Numerous arrests that is. The ones where he admits to being a gang banger. And his gang is going to get national recognition. Gutierrez needs to be shown the door next time he runs for reelection.
Labels: un-fucking-believable
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
98 Comments:
Ol' Herb Dilla again!!!
"you stupid little pipsqueak"
This is obscene, reckless and disrespectful.
No respect anymore for this country.
Can that be tagged in the "un-fucking-fucking-believable" category. I think it needs the extra fuck because that is really unbelievable.
i'm not least bit surprised
when reelection comes around check out who is doing the "grunt" work
for him
i'll bet dollars to doughnuts
it will be gangbangers
his excuse of course will be "it's
for them to have a chance" the politics of chicago was built on the backs of them for years i thought all this "herbie" b/s was finally settled when when some one pointed out to "j-fled" and the city did the job "in-house"
it's grand standing that's all
but the bottom line is where is the $ coming from to do this?
louie's pocket?
or the the taxpayer?
Did Interpol get Pulgar Sr. extradited from Venezuela yet on those drug charges?
Two things:
1 These gang signs are going to hang in the Capitol ALL YEAR???
2 According to the rules, Gutierrez doesn't have the final say when submitting this "artwork"/"thugwork". It still has to meet suitability standards, etc. after review by a panel.
From the rules: "Artwork will hang in the Capitol for the entire year of the exhibition and cannot be returned to the students earlier.... The final decision regarding the suitability of all artwork for the 2012 Congressional Art Competition exhibition in the Capitol will be made by a panel of qualified persons chaired by the Architect of the Capitol. Artwork must adhere to the policy of the House Office Building Commission. In accordance with this policy, exhibits depicting subjects of contemporary political controversy or a sensationalistic or gruesome nature are not allowed. It is necessary that all artwork be reviewed by the panel chaired by the Architect of the Capitol and any portion not in consonance with the Commission’s policy will be omitted from the exhibit."
Cue the him boo-hoo-hooing youtube video in 3,2,1. always good for a laugh.
Time to bring that awesome video back
C'mon, leave the poor kid alone!!!
Got"notting to do wit no gangs!"
I have been dealing with the Maniac Latin Disciples around Humbolt Park for almost 20 years now and that piece of "art"-without and doubt was representing that gangs' symbolism. No question!
What is this saying to Chicago?
We were wrong in pulling it?
We condone (CAPITOL)this but Chicago doesn't?
How backwards is this?
I think this is such a contradiction, and it understates this city even more as a whole.
It also puts our country's reputation at stake.
Shaking my head that its such a cluster fuck, that 1 day we allow, next day we pull....Sounds like chicago way to me ...What a disgrace ...
Herbie's dad is on the FBI's 10 most-wanted list.
Just saw that the other day.
FBI — HERBERT PULGAR
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/cei/herbert-pulgar/view
Conspiracy to Distribute and Possess With the Intent to Distribute a Controlled
Substance.
Published on: 2012/02/10, Last Modified on: 2012/05/11
Wonder what gang lil' Herbie's pop is in?
Nothing like supporting a gang family:
FBI — HERBERT PULGAR
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/cei/herbert-pulgar/view
Conspiracy to Distribute and Possess With the Intent to Distribute a Controlled
Substance.
Published on: 2012/02/10, Last Modified on: 2012/05/11
Maybe Herbie can turn in his dad for the $10K reward?
Video please. NYPD here stay safe
He's a politician, and his #1 Job is to make sure he keeps his job. Pandering to the dregs of society makes him popular with these vermin, he hopes they will remember him and get the vote out for him on election day.
The working folks should remember him also on election day. They need to cast him into the ranks of the unemployed.
You can polish a turd & disguise the smell but it still remains a TURD.
With Herbies past, He may become Aldermen someday!
I forget--what has he been arrested for? I'm afraid to look anything up on computers anymore for fear that the computer gestapo will get me.
Gangbangers stick together.
Never voted for the dude Never will.
Where the Herbie video?
The Teacher
Sounds like Dad (the fugitive) has ties to Luis! What an embarrassment.
OT Seemed like there was very little coverage of the Puerto Rican Day Parade. Why might that be?
Gutierrez is a gangbanger and his district residents don't care. Herbie is symptomatic of our society's loose moral compass that allows people to be celebrated for one narrow aspect of themselves without regard for the broader background of who they really are and what they represent by their actions and behavior. This is much like the rapsters and reality TV stars living large in the public realm - celebrity is more important than leadership values.
Luis already belongs to a gang, The FALN. A vicious terrorist group that set off bombs all over the country in the name of "PR freedom".
It will only be a matter of time before Herbie ends up on a table at 2121 W Harrison.
Was Herbie's drug running daddy ever extradited from Colombia?
I've been voting against Louie since he first ran for congress. I'm almost the only one in his district that votes against him. I've lived in Chicago almost my whole life and have decided it's time to write Chicago off. Nothing good comes from here anymore.
I'm not a police officer, but a huge supporter of you guys. This recognition is absolutely disgusting. What Congressman (and I now use that term loosely) Gutierrez just did is the ultimate slap in the face to you guys.
Remember this whole thing when all of you go to the voting booth in November. Please be careful...all of you. And THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE!
This guy is a POS and apparently a merit hack's political clout who is now known as the commander in the district with the most murders. Maybe getting gang bangers killed by lack of police supervision know how isn't that bad after all, this way they don't keep coming back to terrorize neighborhoods.
Not sure if anyone remembers but Herb Dilla's mom on Facebook is a big fan of the shoe Bad Girls Club. No big deal, but the logo fot that show is a heart with horns and a devil tail. She even used it for her profile pic at one point. Pieces of shit.
Little Louis and gangs go back to his early involvement with the FALN in the 1970's. They were a cadre of terorists who wanted independence for Puerto Rico, which is a great idea since it would take millions of Ricans off of our welfare rolls. However the group was clearly an anti-American terrorist group complete with bombs and Louis was one of their leaders. When the District turned Mexican Louis became the champion of Immigration Rights even though as a PR he is a citizen by birth. But how can you make Illinois blush? We have sent other embarrassments to Congress; Bobby Rush was Minister of Information for the Black Panthers in the 60's and Blago the former Illinois governor in federal prison are all entitled to Congressional Pensions.
so much for "obliteraiting" the mld's...
Hmmm . . . Little Herbie appears to have multiple arrests for gang-related activity, he identified himself as a gang-banger both to police and on his Facebook page, his daddy is a gang-banger, he joked with his gang friends on Facebook about the artwork showing gang signs, and lo and behold -- the artwork just happens to have gang symbols in it related to the very same gang his daddy is in and that he himself brags about. But I'm sure that's all just one incredible, amazing coincidence, right, Gutierrez?
Look, if there was any evidence that this kid was nothing like his dad and/or that he had turned his life around and had nothing to do with gangs, that's one thing, but EVERYTHING -- including the kid's own words -- says he's a wannabe thug. Awarding this kid is a disgrace.
Why Are There So Many Gang Members in Chicago?
http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/The-312/January-2012/Why-Are-There-So-Many-Gang-Members-in-Chicago/
Herbie will no doubt be sporting long-sleeves during his D.C. holiday to hide the gang signs he tattooed on his arms with a safety pin and ball-point pen ink while "hospitalized" for assaulting his mother and ODing on hallucinogenics. But let's not judge -- it's a "manifestation of his disability."
Little Fucking Vampire Herbie rises up again. Imagine bringing this asshole to Washington to show off his gang graffiti. Of course Luis Guterez is no prize either. The furthur decline of America.
Both pieces of shit, not that hard to believe.
Then when these gang members get killed, it's societies fault, not idiots like Gutierrez.
What a fine example of the people that voted him in.
Luis G. is also related to another one of klines favorites - marie mahar.
Do you get how this city works?
From the rules: "Artwork will hang in the Capitol for the entire year of the exhibition and cannot be returned to the students earlier.... The final decision regarding the suitability of all artwork for the 2012 Congressional Art Competition exhibition in the Capitol will be made by a panel of qualified persons chaired by the Architect of the Capitol. Artwork must adhere to the policy of the House Office Building Commission. In accordance with this policy, exhibits depicting subjects of contemporary political controversy or a sensationalistic or gruesome nature are not allowed. It is necessary that all artwork be reviewed by the panel chaired by the Architect of the Capitol and any portion not in consonance with the Commission’s policy will be omitted from the exhibit."
6/19/2012 12:35:00 AM
Did you come across an address to write to these people by chance?
Wonder what gang lil' Herbie's pop is in?
he is a Latin Eagle
Does Louie even live in the 4th congressional district?
Unbefuckinglevable … You know in other states people would be appalled to hear a State Representative would support ( or be ) a gang member!
And his gang is going to get national recognition
that has already been acomplished by Jose "Dirty Bomber" Padilla
which led to the all out blitz on the MLD's by the FBI
then came the war on the MLD's by McCarthy and Co. (after the feds pretty much dismantled them) claiming victory (kinda like coming into the ring at round 13 and saying you knocked the guy out after he took a whooping from someone else for the first 12 rounds)
COME ON - Let's ALL sing
I don't think thats so fair
I tried the best I can....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTKq616auFs&feature=related
i gang banger to another gang banger, wtf do you expect?
Better version -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgUYszKWnKA&feature=relmfu
Let's feel the BEAT y'awlll.
Nutting to do wit noooo gaaaaangs
Anonymous said...
Two years ago working a lakefront concert, the night before retirement, my partner and I spent time watching the memorial. We were afraid of a cdtp that night. All around the Officer's wall, half of the ground lights were out. Had we had tools and bulbs we would have changed them ourselves. We couldn't believe it. Shame on the powers that be that those lights were out. Don't know if it's any better now.
Heard on channel 9 news, "G-mac" got quoted saying IT WAS PROBABLY THE WORK OF A CHILD!!!! Does it get any better than this. Let's take their crayons away and give them a time out in the corner. How bout a time out with the coroner!
Retired 2010
6/18/2012 01:00:00 PM
IT WAS PROBABLY THE WORK OF A CHILD!!!! Probably a child that was saved by one of Rahms bullshit camera initiative. You know the speech "If it saves just one child's life then he can paint graffiti on the police memorial"
The 'lil gangbanger hero will also be feted to a tour of the White House, WGN News rptd.
Oh come on!?!?
Is this the best Chicago can send to DC?
Why don't we send them a train load of young urban marrauders, too? Just sweep them up from North Avenue Beach, the North Loop and the Red Line.
Oh come on - is this the best we can find to send to DC?
What a joke.
WGN rptd the Herbie and his mom are getting tours of the White House and Capitol - more than we ever got.
016 blew up lastnight. A home invasion and a jewelry heist in one night.
Anonymous said...
FBI — HERBERT PULGAR
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/cei/herbert-pulgar/view
Conspiracy to Distribute and Possess With the Intent to Distribute a Controlled
Substance.
Published on: 2012/02/10, Last Modified on: 2012/05/11
Wonder what gang lil' Herbie's pop is in?
6/19/2012 05:27:00 AM
Sure enough there he is, Armed and Dangerous with a Reward by the FBI and little gang banger Luis Guitteries is sponsoring this mutt's son, Congressman GangBanger Guttieriez. Priceless.
Lovely. Almost as stupid as that Congressman from Georgia who thought Guam would tip over in the ocean if too many US Marines landed on the island.
He will run and win again!
"I don't think that's fair; I tried the best I can!"
SCC, I remember when you first posted the video of this little dingleberry wailing that he had "nothing to do with no gangs" a few months back. No wonder Chicago is FUBAR. Don't worry--Chalkie's gonna be meeting this punk soon enough given his proclivities.
MF
Gutierrez will never be "voted" out. That district is custom made to keep a piece of shit like him in. The only way he leaves is by pissing off the wrong people and they aren't the voters of the 4th.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illinois%27s_4th_congressional_district
No, it's "Why you little pipsqueak".
He's not stupid. Corrupt, yes. Liar, yes. Thieving little piece of shit, yes.
But not stupid.
wasnt luis guittierez a latin king piece of shit back in the day...
I would like to file a formal complaint against Rep Luis Gutierrez for associating himself with known street gang members! What the hell are we fighting for anymore?
Gutierrez is a punk
What do u expect from a cokehead whoremonger passing himself off as a politician?
Luis Gutierrez was a member of the Latin Scorpions around the old Tuley high School on Claremont.I know because I went to Tuley and he and his thugs would break into the lockers and steal leather jackets.Chased me down Western Ave with a gun one day thinking I was a rival gang banger.Approached him one day in Bucktown about it and he said "oh I was just a silly kid long time ago"
typical chicago way reward bad behavior..
>>>Anonymous said...
Two things:
1 These gang signs are going to hang in the Capitol ALL YEAR???
2 According to the rules, Gutierrez doesn't have the final say when submitting this "artwork"/"thugwork". It still has to meet suitability standards, etc. after review by a panel.
From the rules: "Artwork will hang in the Capitol for the entire year of the exhibition and cannot be returned to the students earlier.... The final decision regarding the suitability of all artwork for the 2012 Congressional Art Competition exhibition in the Capitol will be made by a panel of qualified persons chaired by the Architect of the Capitol. Artwork must adhere to the policy of the House Office Building Commission. In accordance with this policy, exhibits depicting subjects of contemporary political controversy or a sensationalistic or gruesome nature are not allowed. It is necessary that all artwork be reviewed by the panel chaired by the Architect of the Capitol and any portion not in consonance with the Commission’s policy will be omitted from the exhibit."
6/19/2012 12:35:00 AM<<<
The Little Gangbanger WON the election and snuck the handjive through and almost got away with it here.
Can we write to that Commission and tell them we disapprove of gangsta art as being intimidating to the community, fostering crime, degrading to other minorities, using all the politically correct buzzwords to get them to ditch that piece of crap faster than Michelle O. wants to put George Bush II's Official White House Portrait in the dumpster.
Maybe we will get another video of that little thug crying.
Thank Luis Gutierrez for this one...
Dear scc:
Sounds like the house building commish needs some emails.
I couldn't believe it when I saw the story. What a gang-banging- loveing puke (Gutierrez) is. I'd like to see the other works of art submitted for the contest. You mean Lil-Herbie's was the best! I bet not. A few years back, my daughter submitted a painting for the contest in Kirk's district, she didn't win, but the competition was outstanding. I can't believe a bull shit city sticker design won... well maybe I can. After all, look what punk is choosing it. Lil-Herbie now goes to D.C
From the rules: "Artwork will hang in the Capitol for the entire year of the exhibition and cannot be returned to the students earlier.... The final decision regarding the suitability of all artwork for the 2012 Congressional Art Competition exhibition in the Capitol will be made by a panel of qualified persons chaired by the Architect of the Capitol. Artwork must adhere to the policy of the House Office Building Commission. In accordance with this policy, exhibits depicting subjects of contemporary political controversy or a sensationalistic or gruesome nature are not allowed. It is necessary that all artwork be reviewed by the panel chaired by the Architect of the Capitol and any portion not in consonance with the Commission’s policy will be omitted from the exhibit."
6/19/2012 12:35:00 AM
This is awesome info. Shouldn't FOP and PBPA be writing formal letters of protest to this review panel?
Once a dilla - always a dilla. One day Yerba Dillah will be stumping to be the next rags to riches story of a Chicago aldermanic candidate from Humbo Park...
" i ain't got nuttin to do wiff no gangs, ax' Louie G dats the troof, troof!"
I've been voting against Louie since he first ran for congress. I'm almost the only one in his district that votes against him. I've lived in Chicago almost my whole life and have decided it's time to write Chicago off. Nothing good comes from here anymore.
6/19/2012 08:09:00 AM
No, you're not the only one. I've been voting gainst him forever, too. btw, He is vehemently AGAINST helping us get our rights to social security benefits restored.
Little luis has family on the job, you would think he would know better. The affiliation to the FALN has been quite beneficial to many in the hood, evergreen/washtenaw, rockwell/potomac, beach/spaulding and CPD. They know who they are. This sorry excuse for a human is so entrenched in the gang/cartel business and the cook county democratic machine that no one dares run against him. I dare the MSM to hang out at the polling places for the 26/1 wards, during the aldermanic/congressional elections, you would think they were taping an episode of gangland.
A trip paid for by you guessed it Tax Payers. This another political stunt by democrats. Next thing will be Trevons parents to the White House.
snaggle tooth louie got his kid a super deal on a town house , low taxes for the low income , flipped for a profit
Wow, this is America. One day your a 15 year old MLD recruiting 11 and 12 year olds in the playground and the next day you get to fly to DC with your congressman. And you wonder why Chicago has a gang problem. Because it's supported by the legislators. Just like when the Aldermen forced the department to cancel "Jump Out Boys". Why? Cause it was making a difference but hurting the aldermen's take.
Sad thing, this will help him get reelected yet again.
Can that piece of crap be shredded or pulped for toilet paper when it is pulled off the wall?
Much better message sending Herb Dilla than some hard working kid that's never been a gang member or arrested.
Way to use your head El Rey.
to those that wish to speak thier mind on this matter
the outfit that is paying for this
and picked it is:
http://www.conginst.org//index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1
thier e-mail is:
info@conginst.org
who knows if enough write
they just might change thier mind
Gutierrez gets more votes, campaign workers and $$$ from the gangs than he does from the police that live in his district.
Somebody or somebodies out there knows enough to put this guy in jail for a long time.
We need to find that whistleblower and get rid of this congressional thug. Start looking,asking questions, register and vote.
As long as Little Luis is honoring Herbie for his upstanding citizenry and artistic talent, he should take the pregnant broad who was tazed for resisting along too and award her for her above average parking and pre-natel child care skills.
Rahm just wants $ for possession of marijauna, and LEO's getting killed just to protect borders. Fast and FURIOUS. Nobody cares it's all about making money. Blood on their hands
Why should Louie G be shown the door? He truly does represent his constituency by supporting the gangs. He's an all American from Chicago showing the rest of the country how fucked up we are.
Louis Guitierrez? The same guy who supported FALN and wanted seperation from US for P>R>, but still be funded by US tax dollars.
What a piece of shit this mini cock sucker is. How anyone still listens to this pussy is beyond me. Never had an educated idea in his life. Chalk this one up as same.
Told ya the mayor lost the city!
Not only do we send the gang bangers art to Washington we're going to help pot sales be monetizing drug possession.
They call it decriminalization but it's all about the money.
While I lean towards legalization of pot this maneuver by going half way will reward the drug cartel members that are chopping off heads in Mexico.
The mayor has lost the city. The gangs run it. Maybe the gangs have their own secrete lobby group that is buying the politicians JUST LIKE THE CORPORATIONS IDK.
Study: Pension shortfalls plague 34 states; Illinois farthest behind
Hey, you know what's worse than the pension funding shortfall?
The healthcare shortfall!
The social contracts are being broken.
People that though that their state constitution meant something and provided them with protection are finding out otherwise.
Kind of like people thought that they had freedom of speech, that mortgage contracts meant something, that a signature on a robo-signed foreclosure notice meant fraud, and all the other banking frauds that got a pass. The illegal immigration laws where the city just looks the other way on -- as they pick and choose who to enforce their laws on.
It worked on all that stuff so why not shaft the people with the public pensions too.
Ready for the Rahm's reach-a-round strategy? He's gonna reach out like an apple picker snatching an Iphone...
"According to the Pew Center on the States, 34 states failed to maintain safe levels of money in the pension funds, which most experts agree is about 80 percent of long-term obligations. Four states - Connecticut, Illinois, Kentucky and Rhode Island - didn't even have 55 percent of the money they'll need in the long run."
And when it comes to healthcare it's worse. The state only has five cents for every dollar that is committed to healthcare.
Think that's bad enough?
Well it's gonna get worse. Healthcare expenses are rising at about 9% a year 2~3 times the rate of inflation and they want to cut cost of living increases on top of it all.
Retirement in poverty as the wealth is transferred to Sears, CME Group, Motorola, and to all the corporations and businesses that have clouted contracts with the city and state. The politicians will get a kick back via a campaign donation when those people get paid. What are they going to get from the unions? Zip! So why should they fund the pensions?
They'll play that victim man-in-the-middle game telling us all on how it's about the taxpayers. However it's really about skipping pension plan contributions and giving the money save there to their corporate campaign donating friends as they divy up the proceeds.
''if luis had a son...he d look like ''
Gutierrez is a gang banger, who represents gang bangers. He is old-time FALN. He does not care about police officers, that's for sure. He wants more hispanics allowed into the country to increase his power base.
Naw, Guiterrez isn't gonna bring that fat broad that parked in the handicap space to DC until her baby, little Taseretta, is born.
That chief clown, Ed Burke, must be dying to write the fat ignorant beyatch a check - and then she can rent a party bus after she wins the ghetto lottery.
Go herbie go. One day you could be president. Don't laugh, America's turned into gang/ghetto nation and who better to represent the current ethos of get rich or die tryin.
The trip was 6/19. Note that Gutierrez didn't issue a press release untl 6/18. Note that there was no mention of a contest for selecting the art from 4th District.
Write to ask that "art" is not hung or is taken down, explaining w/ specificity what is inappropriate and disrespectful to hang in any part of the Capitol (w/ an ol) campus:
Hon. Stephen T. Ayers
Architect of the Capitol
U.S. Capitol Building
Washington, DC 20515
Hon. Hansen Clarke
U.S. House of Representatives
1319 Longworth HOB
Washington, DC 20515
Hon. Tim Griffin
U.S. House of Representatives
1232 Longworth HOB
Washington, DC 20515
Write to tell him how inappropriate his selection was/how unfair to not have a contest and not share that this honor was available to his constituents/what a waste of taxpayer dollars sending the wrong message:
Hon. Luis Gutierrez
U.S. House of Representatives
2266 Rayburn HOB
Washington, DC 20515
Luis G. is also related to another one of klines favorites - marie mahar.
Do you get how this city works?
6/19/2012 10:57:00 AM
nonsense
Luis-y, you got some splainin' to do!
Contact page for Architect of the Capitol:
http://www.aoc.gov/aoc/Contact-Us.cfm
Address letters/comments to Stephen T. Ayers
Louie lives in 16 near Portage Park and gerrymandered the 4th Cong District to include his 2 flat he shares with a daughter and her kids.
Louie might be surprised in the next election, because his new district includes a lot of the NW Side where even the Latinos don't like him.
little luis the punk nothing but a terrorist!
http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/3895088-418/no-parole-for-former-leader-of-puerto-rican-faln-group.html
Naw, Guiterrez isn't gonna bring that fat broad that parked in the handicap space to DC until her baby, little Taseretta
OMG - LMFAO!!!!
Around 1988, the Art Institute featured the "controversial Luis in a Dress" painting.
Instead of Herbie's "artwork", choose "Luis in a Dress". :D
"Around 1988, the Art Institute featured the "controversial Luis in a Dress" painting."
--6/20/2012 02:23:00 PM
Remember how Harold Washington flipped his lid and ordered police to physically remove a painting of himself in bra and panties from the Art Institute?
Whatta town.
Remember how Harold Washington flipped his lid and ordered police to physically remove a painting of himself in bra and panties from the Art Institute? Whatta town.
Harold was dead. The Black aldermen, Farrakhan, Jackson, et. al. issued the order.
Channel 5 I believe dubbed him "Toast of the Town" fucking yea herbie!
"Remember how Harold Washington flipped his lid and ordered police to physically remove a painting of himself in bra and panties from the Art Institute? Whatta town.
"Harold was dead. The Black aldermen, Farrakhan, Jackson, et. al. issued the order."
--6/20/2012 10:55:00 PM
Yeah, now that I think back that sounds right. Harold Washington had a sense of humor, probably would have said "They forgot to paint in the bucket of ribs" or something.
The whole thing was as legal as tearing up Meigs Field in the middle of the night...
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