Summer Furlough Rumor
- The streets of Chicago are officially more dangerous than a war zone: Homicide victims in the Windy City outnumber U.S. troops killed in Afghanistan this year.
While 144 Americans have died in Afghanistan in 2012, a whopping 228 Chicago residents have been killed, and the murder rate is up a staggering 35 percent from last year. That’s a rash of homicides quadruple the rate of New York City’s, and police and crime experts fear it may only get worse.
....lead to rumors like this:
- The city's new priority in the next contract has changed.
Priority #1 is to cancel ALL summer furloughs in the department. The old priority was changing the medical policy.
The city is going to leave the medical alone and possibly offer 2% annual raises if the FOP agrees to NO 6, 7, 8, or 9 furlough selections for ANYONE. This will keep the city from having to hire more officers when all they need (they think) are more officers in the summer.
The city knows it will be hard to get this in arbitration, so they are already planning concessions to get the FOP to agree.
There are exceptions already built into the contract - we believe the Mounted Unit already can't have summer furloughs and one of the restrictions in place from the old days was Summer Mobile people couldn't have a furlough segment during their details. A wholesale ban on summer furloughs though? Not really in the cards that we can see.
UPDATE: Someone said that the Mounted Unit can get summer furloughs since last contract.
UPDATE: Someone said that the Mounted Unit can get summer furloughs since last contract.
Labels: rumors
posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
116 Comments:
Desperation will cause insanity!
Hire the depleted 3,000 cops and take the streets back!
No freakin way.
If rahm won't hire, then pay OT on RDO to work UNIT of ASSINGMENT. I'll work for OT one or two days a month in my district, but not shipped out or on furlough.
Ship me out and goose-egg city my friend.
I know for a fact this is NOT TRUE. However, with that being said.. it is scary. This is why. Idiots on this job will trade ANYTHING for money. Some morons will see 2 percent a year and sell their soul for it. Its not just for something like this because its a rumor. But if they play with the medical, uniform/duty availibilty or anything else big and say we will give you 2 percent raise each year believe me THEY will want to take it. Dont forget... agreeing to 2 percent or to any percent will only screw you in the end. Next time they will get it back by taking away medical, uniform or upping the payments for health insurance. They only have to up your premiums by just a few percent to get all that money back. Its ALWAYS a win win for the city. Dont give in to money!
I thought weather had no effect on crime.
Oh! June, July and August must effect crime!
With that logic in place, you'd have 1/2 the department on furlo certain times of the year.
Moronic @ Best.
The Mounted Unit has summer furlos it was part of the contract during Nolans tenure. Meaning we gave something up in order for that to take place. Which made zero sense being they are a no bid unit& the majority of events that require their presence is during the summer months.
Not true.
Mounted Unit has been able to take summer furlos since two contracts ago.
We shouldn't be so short sighted. If we can get more medical benefits, 4% for a four year contract and a few bumps with duty and uniform then we should take the deal. Rahm's goin 2 be campaigning for re-election during this contract battle. If after 4 years we still retain our benefits and the summer fulough thing ends then we might make out. You want a summer furlough? You know u can always get one.
Or you can simply offer any officer with one of those furloughs a strong financial incentive to not take it and work. Lets say time and a half for all your vacation time if you have a 7a. You get a separate check for all the vacation days and you simply continue working your regular schedule.
I think many would take the money.
Are they nuckin futs, no summer furloughs for hard working p.o.s who will be asked to give up spending vacation time with their kids to work for an ungrateful public? Do they think we'll roll over by offering us an insulting 2% raise? Or win us over by taking our uniform allowance and duty availability? The last contract was a joke...they need us more than we need them and they are starting to realize that amidst all this chaos. How about keeping all the benefits we have plus a 4% raise each year. We will undoubtedly be paying more into the pension and medical. FOP we have an opportunity here...we must stand our ground in this fight!
If this is true the union needs to think outside the box. Dont let the city dictate an if/then scenario. The city wants something bad we dictate what type of carrot is put on the stick.
Bring back summer mobile force, msf/tru, hire 1300 cops. Then promote D2's, Dics, Sgts, and Lts to give us hope that there is a chance of advancement. Limit merits to one bite of the apple and morale will improve. Improve morale and police effectiveness will improve!
So let me get this straight...
No time due.
No summer furloughs.
What exactly are the perks of this job anymore?
So, when it's cold out then, there will be absolutely no police on the streets because Everyone will be on furlough?! Brilliant!
THat's insane. All we have on this job is our seniority and our furloughs. That's it. Murders and shootings happen everyday of every month. Not just summer. What a stupid ass rumor. They keep beating around the bush about hiring the 1,547 officers we're short and already budgeted for. I'm sick of the Rahm and Garry. God!
Which two words do you think are best associated w/ this rumor...
1. Bull Shit
2. Nice Try
That would mean all the other furlough segments would have approx. 13% of the officers in the district off. Add in RDO's, baby furlough days, personal days, IOD, and medical and a district would be down close to 30% of the manpower. Never will happen. But if it is put on the table and anyone from FOP is reading this I'd be willing to accept the offer for a 30% pay raise over 3 years and a BJ from Rahm in front of the channel 7 news studio on State St while Jerry Taft is doing the weather.
New Life Cereal commercial with Rahm Emanuel: "Let's get Mikey,he will do whatever I say"
One year two months 17 days or tomorrow !
Split your FURLOUGHS !!!
2 weeks in the fall
2 weeks in the spring.
And three months IOD in the summer!!
Wait with The Coventry Ponzi Treatment system
m 5 months and take your second segment and baby over the holidays!
It's their forking system not mine!
Don't worry we can deputize as many people as we need. Start with RAMHO THE CITY COUNCIL(THEY ALL HAVE GUNS) And the entire population of Cook Cunty Jail!
Buy DVD'S AND AMMO NOW!
There going to have to give alot more then that.that is a basic raise maybe for 5 percent each year
What do we have to look forward to anymore? The city wants to take everything from us and not do anything to increase officer safety.
Thats fine by me. I hate summer furlough and I can get it. I rather keep the medical.
I am in!
Sounds like someone is getting desperate.
So let's say the union agrees to this. We get a 2% raise per year for no summer furloughs. So what guarantees would we have that once signed off, the city doesn't pull back the raises like they did to the teachers?
I don't understand.....isn't this the police deparemt that they wanted????
Number one priority-- fully fund the pension plan.
Take that 2% and shove it up your ass.
Swap the summer furlough for no residency requirement.
FYI -- City wants to go to commissary system for PO's uniforms and eliminate Uniform allowance
There better be a lot more than a 2% raise if they want members to even consider giving up summer furloughs. Now if summer furlough people with were offered 1.5x pay for working their furlough they would get some takers. Not me however, I won't give up 8th period full furlough voluntarily. After years of working my way up the seniority ladder I am not giving back anything earned through seniority.
UPDATE: Someone said that the Mounted Unit can get summer furloughs since last contract.
Refresh my memory...the Mounted Unit, does that refer to a commander?
Anonymous said...
If rahm won't hire, then pay OT on RDO to work UNIT of ASSINGMENT. I'll work for OT one or two days a month in my district, but not shipped out or on furlough.
Ship me out and goose-egg city my friend.
6/18/2012 12:12:00 AM
You're not my friend. I couldn't be friends with someone who says, "goose-egg city". There's just no way.
...and if it turns out that we are friends, I'm going to Unfriend you. Goose-egg city?!
The more this City takes away the less than ZERO activity I do!
Hitting 20 years on this job and can't wait to leave!
I envy those that can leave this job and city for good!
This City and Police Dept. really SUCKS!
Da Pelon
Won't happen. That would place too many people on furlo during the remainder of the segments and they can't afford that either. I'll bet that there will be a restructuring to, or limitation of time due. Only PDays during those periods, not DOTD or BFD. That would be a limitation in line with GMACs statement that it is not elective time, but discretionary time off.
So you work long enough to get 7th period furloughs and then they want to take them away? Sonic your wife is a teacher, you will never go on a family vacation in the summer with her till you retire? Go f yourself mcNutty.
Will Rahm staff members quit posting here "Telling all members to take the proposal and like it" your bullshit don't fool anybody.
Fact Less than 40 people signed up for the NEW same old BS summer unit!
How about making sure our pensions stay intact!
Anonymous said...
So let's say the union agrees to this. We get a 2% raise per year for no summer furloughs. So what guarantees would we have that once signed off, the city doesn't pull back the raises like they did to the teachers?
6/18/2012 05:08:00 AM
Take a look at the teacher's contract. There is a section in there that says if the city doesn't have sufficient funds to pay for a contractual raise, they can bypass giving the raise. For whatever reason, the teachers union allowed this provision in their contract. It is the fault of their union that they allowed something like that in the contract. We have no such clause in our contract.
Actually they just want to lower the percentage of projected summer furlough bodies. They can't just cancel the furlough segments. It would never hold up in court. But lowering the percentage to say anywhere from 5% to 7% of a watches manpower might fly.
No chance. Silly rumor bs. Not enough manpower for the other months. Plus look at the stats Jan saw a huge jump in murders this year summer hasn't really started yet. The manpower shoage is real but hiring is the only solution that will work.
Special Functions does not take summer furloughs
make it 7% raises and I agree,but let us have a "baby furlough" 1 week in the summer that would be great! Mike and make sure all other benefits are kept,and make sure rahmvbo agrees to shore up the pension and keep 55 and out medical I say DEAL!
It took me 24 years to get a 13B.
Never took off during the summer or spring breaks since I don't have kids, figuring let somebody who does get that spot.
Now that I work with a lot of people with a lot of time on the job whose kids are grown, I'll take at least one summer slot.
We have to think not only where WE are at this point, but those who will come after us.
If this precedent is set, it will be impossible to reverse it.
You may think I'm crazy but I would be very happy if nothing changed in the next two years you don't have to give me any raise just don't take anything I have and let me have a pension in 8 yrs when I retire. I understand we police a lot of people that do nothing and receive a lot of benefits, my opinion of them is the same as yours but that is never gonna change it is legalized vote buying. If you look at the rest of the trades you can see just how bad they have it right now.
This could work and ill tell you why. A small percentage have summer furlos. Dangle a little money and those who arent able to get one will say screw it ill take the raise i cant get a summer furlo anyway.
I will take no furlough for a 300% pay increase for the next 6 years
I wont get a summer Furlo for another 10 years. By then the city will have stripped out our union/contract. Ill be in 004 on midnights with no Furlo at all.
Bump it to 4% and im in.
I'm OK with no summer Furlo. With these stipulations...
1. 8% raise per year for 5 years.
2. Guaranteed baby furlo during Jun, Jul, or August
3. 8% pay deduction for exempt rank per year for 5 years. (And no selling of time to make up the difference or other cutsy pie maneuvers)
The problem is not only the redused number of Police Officers on the force, it is the average age of the officer. The F.O.P. needs to argue that point also, there are no more 22-28 year old Police that have the energy or disire to chase the young offenders. Chicagos police force is getting old.
Sounds like a great way to make sure nobody does any work during the summer. 19P
Nonsense. Too many on furlough the other periods.
If the City wants to save money, Get Rid of the Phony Minority Contracts that cost TaxPayers Miliions a year.
Thats fine by me. I hate summer furlough and I can get it.
weirdo... you probably love midnights too...some people on this job....
So let's say the union agrees to this. We get a 2% raise per year for no summer furloughs. So what guarantees would we have that once signed off, the city doesn't pull back the raises like they did to the teachers?
6/18/2012 05:08:00 AM
It would be a CONTRACTUAL agreement so I guess the answer to your question is that the legally binding contract would guarantee it.
They are already restricting time/denying time in every district. If you are lucky enough to have a summer furlough that may be the only time you get to take off. It's a total joke how they are constantly dancing around the fact that we need more police. Officers are done with this bs. That OT initiative went over like a lead balloon- only 40 officers applied for 120 openings! The morale is so low that it's sitting in satan's lap- and keeps dropping. People are leaving tac teams to come back to the watch- that speaks volumes. Guys would usually tripping over each other to get a spot on tac, but with all these scared and shaky supervisors there are no perks to a job where you are expected to put your ass on the line for a lawsuit everyday. Everyone's seniority has frozen, no room for promotion, old broken down equipment, old broken down officers, and mismanagement and incompetence at every level. You can only whip a horse so much until it dies.
must be a slow news day
Rahm can shove his 2% right up his stink star sideways. Don't ever sell out summer furloughs people because someday you'll have the seniority to take them too. And don't ever let the city fool you with their little raises because all Rahm will do after he gives you a measly 2% raise is raise your city sticker, your water bill, or some other tax or contribution we are forced to make and poof.... your little raise is gone along with your summer furlough. Don't agree to anything this administration offers because they can't be trusted AT ALL.
Can we let Detectives work the initiative even at D2 scale? Oh shame on me thinking logically again.
you can hire all the police officers you want, but if the bosses don't support them it won't mean a thing!!!!! Don't tell me to "be the police" when the c.r. number comes down you run from me
They can take my 7a furlough when they pry it from my cold, dead hands...or something like that.
You guys are looking at this all wrong. Many people in many jobs and professions have certain restrictions on time off and vacation time. While two percent isn't much, it's only a point of departure during wage negotiations. If all, and I mean all other current benefits remain untouched and at the current levels, the FOP should demand 3% increase per year over the life of the contract in exchange for furlough restrictions. Keep in mind the financial and economic conditions of the rest of the country-3% increase annually is a win in exchange for taking a Caribbean cruise with the family in April, or a ski trip to Steamboat in February, or steel heading on the Brule in October! We got Rham, he doesn't have us.
I'd accept a 2% a year raise if the city agreed to hire 2000 police officers.
I guess a bit off topic, but the issue that never gets brought up is contraction. The fact that we max out at 25 years is an absolute joke. I know we had some minor contraction a few years ago, but I know most suburban departments reach their max pay grade around 10 years or so. I'd like a raise as much as the next guy, but with 13 years on, I'd much rather see us fight for something that will have a serious financial impact. With that said, I know it's a serious long shot.
Would be ok, as long as we kept everything in the contract we have,plus a 8% per year raise,and a week off baby furlough during the summer,and maybe hiring at least 2,000+ more street coppers that could really work!
Take a full segment in the beginning and your guaranteed a baby furlough
why can't chicagoans see what the city is trying to do? the city should not be trying to penny pinch when it comes to such an important issue such as the safety of the citizens. the city should hire more police officers and that is all there is to it. this just simply shows the city's lack of committment and total disregard for the taxpayers.
rumor or not, this would not be worth it by any stretch of the imagination. hire more police, it's that simple rahmie.
Didn't our fine leaders say the weather has no affect on crime.
We shouldn't be so short sighted. If we can get more medical benefits, 4% for a four year contract and a few bumps with duty and uniform then we should take the deal. Rahm's goin 2 be campaigning for re-election during this contract battle. If after 4 years we still retain our benefits and the summer fulough thing ends then we might make out. You want a summer furlough? You know u can always get one.
6/18/2012 12:56:00 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Or you can simply offer any officer with one of those furloughs a strong financial incentive to not take it and work. Lets say time and a half for all your vacation time if you have a 7a. You get a separate check for all the vacation days and you simply continue working your regular schedule.
I think many would take the money.
6/18/2012 01:05:00 AM
No way. Double time on this one or nothing. They have got to make it worth my time if I'm going to put off my furlough. They want something, then they have to give something. Just wait until the contract negotiations start. You think they will offer us a fair raise? Not likely. I don't doubt they will cry poor again and make either no offer or some miniscule percentage like 1/2 percent total and try to take back the uniform allowance and duty availability, along with extending cr investigations to 14 years and 12 days a year medical. They never give a fair raise when times are good, so why would they start now?
I thought weather had no effect on crime.
Oh! June, July and August must effect crime!
6/18/2012 12:27:00 AM
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You do know school is out during the summer, don't you?
Twenty-nine years and a day is a long time to go without a summer furlogh. Be careful on this one FOP.
I know for a fact this is true. My mother told me about it at bedtime and she never lies to me.
>>Anonymous said...
Or you can simply offer any officer with one of those furloughs a strong financial incentive to not take it and work. Lets say time and a half for all your vacation time if you have a 7a. You get a separate check for all the vacation days and you simply continue working your regular schedule.
I think many would take the money.
6/18/2012 01:05:00 AM<<
I think many would, and it is sad that they would give up their family life for the cash which is mostly to pay kid's school tuition.
No wonder we have the highest divorce rate and die younger than most.work week.
Group of officers, detectives and sgts going to fugative app... Good luck to all...stay safe.
as much as i don't like it this is probably the smartest thing the city has come up with. week days in the winter have some days with one or two jobs a night or even none in the slow districts. Summer is out of control throughout the whole city. Make it 5% plus residency and you've got a deal!
Once again children....DO NOT GIVE UP ANYTHING YOU ALREADY GOT IN THE CONTRACT. There is no way the city would win that in arbitration. Remember, this job is not your life. Your life is the time you spend with family and friends. Do not think of giving up your summer furlough to put yourself on the line for these animals. Risk CR's and lawsuits for a neighborhood of people who do not appreciate the job you are doing. And most of all F*%# that little 9-1/2 fingered prick.
Anonymous said...
So let's say the union agrees to this. We get a 2% raise per year for no summer furloughs. So what guarantees would we have that once signed off, the city doesn't pull back the raises like they did to the teachers?
6/18/2012 05:08:00 AM
The teacher's contract had an "out" clause that demanded every raise had to be voted on by the school board every time around.
That's how THEIR union fucked them.
In our case, it's a lawsuit because city council passing raises means it's an ordinance and contractually obligated.
Means court to enforce it. And don't bank on that one either.
So in essence, don't be a shortsighted dumbfuck who gives up everything we've ever faught for for a shitass 2% COLA raise that Mr. Shitstick will attempt to steal away regardless.
And all this without pension legislation....so in the event it goes to the SCOIL and they shit all over their past rulings and the law in order to violate it and give shitstick what he want's, the shortsighted dumbfucks will be scratching their heads asking how it happened.... because they're too fucking stupid to know why before it happens.
So let's say the union agrees to this. We get a 2% raise per year for no summer furloughs. So what guarantees would we have that once signed off, the city doesn't pull back the raises like they did to the teachers?
6/18/2012 05:08:00 AM
You would have no guarantees. They don't believe in honoring their word, either written or spoken. Contracts mean nothing to them. Promises mean nothing. Get what you can and get out.
Anonymous said...
Mounted Unit has been able to take summer furlos since two contracts ago
The mounted unit gets 1 slot in 6A and 1 slot in 9A if you want to call that having summer furlos. Everything in between those slots is closed
It sounds unbelievable,but I would not count it out . Rahm wants to stick with the lowest amount of Police Officers that he can get away with,with ALL his thoughts on the bottom line. He wants Coppers to burn out faster, get out sooner, and he don't give a flying Fuck if it is by Retirement , Death(in its many forms) or People fed up and moving on. Remember He is a treacherous Weasel. He does not care about you ,your Family ,or your well being! FOP, lets take a page out of the Teacher's Union ,while we cannot strike, We can let him know in other ways we won't roll over! Sorry about the rant . 2 Martinis and I'm Pissed off.
You would have to be a straight up douche bag to agree to this.
Keep in mind you young tikes some of us enjoy and have finally enough seniority to get Summer furloughs. If the shoe was on the other foot you would change your tune. I can't stand winter and some of us have family and bills and can't afford to go somewhere warm for the winter.
To 05:08 am-
You sir, as "The Fonz" would say are "correctamundo!"
The little prick does what he wants. At the table, ask big, then negotiate. All Pos need to be on the same page. Go to union meetings. And speak up god dammit!
This department runs on paper and unsubstantiated rumors. Don't believe anything you read or hear.
Where did the budgeted dollars to staff our manpower needs go? If a budget states we have have to spend $10,000 to build a statue of Ed Asner made of Tampons,by golly it better get built. Why is no one indicted yet?
Beginning July 1st, all helmets will be worn by tactical and patrol officers. They will be retrofitted with flashing blue take down lights which must remain activated during the tour to prevent shootings and murders. The helmets will play "Pop Goes the Weasel" and when the music stops, you must Anov or arrest the nearest civilian. Also, at random times during the tour, the Dispatcher will announce, "Switch Assignments!" At which point all officers must take another assignment from other officers, so if you were eating lunch, now you have to take over the DOA. The guy impounding the car with "sounds" takes over the shooting. The 2 bagger arrest takes over the Domestic arrest. The desk people will rotate seats counter clockwise with the guy/gal hiding in the radio room now taking the Station Supervisor spot.
This will reduce street violence, protect the children and meet the index.
Teachers contract was a different situation. They actually had in their contract the 4% raise but only if the money was there Dumb thing thing to have in a contract and I bet they never thought it would be used Thats how the CPS got out of the 4% raise
Anonymous said...
So let's say the union agrees to this. We get a 2% raise per year for no summer furloughs. So what guarantees would we have that once signed off, the city doesn't pull back the raises like they did to the teachers?
6/18/2012 05:08:00 AM
It would be a CONTRACTUAL agreement so I guess the answer to your question is that the legally binding contract would guarantee it.
6/18/2012 10:22:00 AM
The teachers had a contract too, a legally binding document. Rahm said "fuck the contract" or something similar.
Make all current exempts XO's at a captains pay grade . Most never passed a promtional exam , lets lower pay and XO's/exempts pension.
This will save pension for Lt. Sgt and Patrolman.
Let's quit worrying about all the nice guys and girls that lead us and never passed a test .
Anonymous said...
I will take no furlough for a 300% pay increase for the next 6 years
6/18/2012 09:26:00 AM
Oh yeah, I'm for that too. I will even shove a broom up my ass and sweep the streets when I walk around.
Anonymous said...
UPDATE: Someone said that the Mounted Unit can get summer furloughs since last contract.
Refresh my memory...the Mounted Unit, does that refer to a commander?
6/18/2012 06:53:00 AM
No. The Mounted Unit is an escort service working on various commander's staff in the front office of units all over. Want days? Get Mounted. Want tact? Get Mounted. Want to stay off shit details? Uh, you know the rest.
Beginning July 1st, all helmets will be worn by tactical and patrol officers. They will be retrofitted with flashing blue take down lights which must remain activated during the tour to prevent shootings and murders. The helmets will play "Pop Goes the Weasel" and when the music stops, you must Anov or arrest the nearest civilian. Also, at random times during the tour, the Dispatcher will announce, "Switch Assignments!" At which point all officers must take another assignment from other officers, so if you were eating lunch, now you have to take over the DOA. The guy impounding the car with "sounds" takes over the shooting. The 2 bagger arrest takes over the Domestic arrest. The desk people will rotate seats counter clockwise with the guy/gal hiding in the radio room now taking the Station Supervisor spot.
This will reduce street violence, protect the children and meet the index.
6/18/2012 07:57:00 PM
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I heard the same thing from my guy downtown.
Make all current exempts XO's at a captains pay grade . Most never passed a promtional exam , lets lower pay and XO's/exempts pension.
This will save pension for Lt. Sgt and Patrolman.
Let's quit worrying about all the nice guys and girls that lead us and never passed a test .
6/18/2012 08:38:00 PM
I'm sick of the "let's let XOs be this, cut exempt pay etc." look XO's you guys already sold out. None of that will save our pension and draws attention from the real problems, lack of cash going into the fund, poor investments, poor fund managers, exorbitant fees to the tune of millions a year.
XO's, you still get your exempt pension so stop trying to stick it to the next guy up so you guys can rule the world. Is it not enough that you ruined it for every rank below you? Stop pandering for eliminating any spot or benefit that you can't currently exploit. Sick of hearing it.
The problem is not only the redused number of Police Officers on the force, it is the average age of the officer. The F.O.P. needs to argue that point also, there are no more 22-28 year old Police that have the energy or disire to chase the young offenders. Chicagos police force is getting old.
6/18/2012 09:45:00 AM
This is so true. A large portion of CPD officers are middle age or very close to it. Yet there is talk of officers having to stay to 65 or 70 years old? Age also has an impact on crime. Not because older officers aren't addressing it, rather that they cannot run and jump as fast as they could between 22-42 years old. This job is physical. It wears your joints out even for those of us who remain in shape. Police don't stay in the station 24 hours waiting for a call (no offense to CFD). No matter what side of the city you work, for police and paramedics, the job is non-stop physical activity.
What is it with the lieutenant S.A. letting the timekeeper in traffic enforcement change his furlough in violation of the union contract and the orders. When this is mentioned, p.o.s are told to mind their own business. This is a blatant violation of the contract. FOP you need to investigate.
If this happens the city is gonna have to buy more vehicles. Aren't we short cars as is?
The streets of Chicago are officially more dangerous than a war zone: Homicide victims in the Windy City outnumber U.S. troops killed in Afghanistan this year.
Didn't a west side lieutenant write the same thing in a blog 2 years ago?
All is fine... keep drinking the Kool-Aid.
Back in the mid 1990's the Department came up with a plan very similar to this. There idea was to limit the furlo percentage in the summer to 3% or 4%, instead of the customary 7-8%.
Matt R came around to sell the idea, saying did it make much sense to have the same numbers off during the high season as the low?
But why was Matt bitchin's the PO's when the furlo plan had been in effect before anyone in the room was even on the job? Some had not even been born yet. And if the furlo plan sucked, who's fault was that? It was the DEPARTMENT's plan.
It was pointed out to him that in a district that had (really had) 270 bodies, what difference would 10 bodies make? Put most of them on 3rd watch..do you have the cars?
And it was also pointed out that whiteshirts'furlos would also be curtailed.
Plan went no-where. (surprise-surprise)
Tho this plan with the $ incentive might work for a number of the younger officers that are just starting out, buying a house, starting a family. Most with families would likely pass on it.
Anonymous said...
If the City wants to save money, Get Rid of the Phony Minority Contracts that cost TaxPayers Miliions a year.
6/18/2012 10:09:00 AM
You are a blasphemer!!!!
So to 830 pm-
Unless you are plant from the rahm man, you seem to know a lot about the contract and how teachers got fucked! I'm no. Det. Here, but how about you school little mikey about langauge within thee contract so the rahm man doesn't fuck you too. Once it is contractually agreed upon and rahm says fuck you- let me know how long it takes to get that raise.
Many issues here...take my uniform allowance away? Fine, my uniforms will be impecable because I WILL tear my pants every day of the week while walking through a gangway while checking a burglar alarm. Sorry, my vest was soaked in a rainstorm on an accident scene, need a new one as the fibers have broken down. My flashlight fell and broke the bulb plus the extra one. Oops, tore my $200 jacket on a fence, need another one. Ouch, fell down some stairs, try to prove that my soft tissue doesn't hurt. We have to play the game as it is layed out against us. I love my job, but if kicked enough by this little thief, I can play the game too!
If this is true the union needs to think outside the box. Dont let the city dictate an if/then scenario. The city wants something bad we dictate what type of carrot is put on the stick.
6/18/2012 01:09:00 AM
That's what I'm talking about. The city is desperate and the ball is basically in our court. Why anyone would even consider taking that damn 2% is crazy. Don't be stupid with this one....our BENEFITS PLUS PENSION is what's important here....not pennies that they keep flashing in our faces. I'm actually offended because everytime the shit hits the fan, the city says "oh let's flash some money in their faces...they'll sell their souls for it!... many would which is sad....meanwhile, their slowly taking benefits away from us. If this is true, they can throw that shit right in the trash.
rumor or not, this would not be worth it by any stretch of the imagination. hire more police, it's that simple rahmie.
6/18/2012 12:25:00 PM
I agree. I don't have much time on the job but I've been in the work force long enough to understand when the ball is in your court you strategize to make the ending results more beneficial for your team...not just sit their and blow it and let everything be taken away from you. I could care less about that 2%...we need more police and would like to keep my benefits in tact along with the pension being fully funded. I just hope FOP is truly for the troops.
If we give up Summer Furloughs, where is the perk in senority?
Not only that it let's that slimmy pair Rahm and McNutso say during the summer, "We put 15% more officers on the street."
It lets them hold off hiring and promoting. We got to get our own message out. If thee is a Anti-Violence march somewhere, we have to hand out picket signs and get people to chant "HIRE MORE POLICE!" to the news cameras.
>>>Anonymous said...
Teachers contract was a different situation. They actually had in their contract the 4% raise but only if the money was there Dumb thing thing to have in a contract and I bet they never thought it would be used Thats how the CPS got out of the 4% raise
6/18/2012 08:30:00 PM<<<
Amazing how money just disappears in this city. The PARKING METER MONEY....POOF! It's gone, our pension money too.
But be late on a bill from the city and it's BANG!
Anonymous said...
Many issues here...take my uniform allowance away? Fine, my uniforms will be impecable because I WILL tear my pants every day of the week while walking through a gangway while checking a burglar alarm. Sorry, my vest was soaked in a rainstorm on an accident scene, need a new one as the fibers have broken down. My flashlight fell and broke the bulb plus the extra one. Oops, tore my $200 jacket on a fence, need another one. Ouch, fell down some stairs, try to prove that my soft tissue doesn't hurt. We have to play the game as it is layed out against us. I love my job, but if kicked enough by this little thief, I can play the game too!
6/19/2012 02:45:00 AM
Take is easy Francis. There are other, smarter ways to make them pay.
well if this is true which it is not wouldnt fire have to give up their summer furlough
READ your contract book! Mounted unit does not get summer furlo.
Yeah well, citizens aren't walking around Crook County in full battle rattle with an M-4 either.
And a lot of the time, it's the right people getting killed anyway. Boo-hoo.
Wow what a great idea guys and gals, just think then they would give us our own schools, just for sops kids, they would go to school all year, but take vacation when we dads got our furlo, just think only coppers kids in these schools. HA HA, glad I'm going in Nov.
Let the city pay time and a half to anyone willing to work all or part of their furl.
What happens if the city wins the grievance on the 5B furlos? They called it an emergency well ahead of time. What if the savages keep shooting each other this summer? Will next summer be an emergency? The precedent will have been set if they win that case. And I can see RahmHo calling it an emergency situation so that lil pookie can got to the Arab store to get his flamin hots and red pop without having to dodge bullets.
give me a 50% raise and you can have the summer furlo.
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