No Time Due for You
Rumors about all time off being canceled in 008 on the weekends.
And the weekend runs from Thursday night until Sunday at noon.
This would appear to be an egregious violation of the Contract. It would also appear to be yet another nail in the coffin of policing in Chicago.
Is the FOP on top of this one?
And the weekend runs from Thursday night until Sunday at noon.
This would appear to be an egregious violation of the Contract. It would also appear to be yet another nail in the coffin of policing in Chicago.
Is the FOP on top of this one?
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
121 Comments:
FOP lost the 5th period furlough greviance. FACT !
Doesn't matter. Arbitrators are in the city's pocket. Make that zipper.
just make the "weekend" Monday through Sunday night. cause with rotating schedules its always someones weekend somewhere...
Well 4th of July is on a Wed. and Thanksgiving and Christmas is on a Tues. this year.. Now what?
truth in 008. thank you commander for having our backs.. oh wait, thats right. You offered this idea up at compstat. I see that you are doing a great job at kissing mcdrunks as*. Dont worry about the guys wearing blue... just make sure you get that next spot. You are a disgrace. Kup would be spinning in his grave if he found out how you are running things and treating the men. Your a joke, this department is a joke and the supt is a joke... Not to mention the jagoff XO of this waste of a district. Company men all the way.
YUP time due,bfd's,p days all cancelled for sunday AND monday,come to 008 all self centered commander wants is contact cards,thats it,time with your family means nothing to him,he cancelled p days for male po's on fathers day,yet he was home,this wouldn't happen if KUP was here
Better use a pday to get a weekday, yes WEEKDAY, off 3rd watch in 011. Time due is very minimal
Does this even matter to north side PO's? Let the working police squirm.
McNothing making friends again
They will kill each other regardless of how many police are on the street. They victims, families, neighborhood do not care or corporate. so why are we as police being made to work extra and be denied time due? We as police care about our families.
rapids in the "box' cant take time on the end,but if ur a beat car you can,this commander doesnt care who he fucks over,family function-denied,weekend trip-denied,wedding-denied,welcome to 008
Wow! Well, this is some bullshit.
Here's an idea. If they insist on taking away our time due, everyone check the money box. Everytime. Show them how much it will cost them in actual cash to pay us instead of granting us time. The other question is, where the fuck is the FOP in all of this? All this nonsense going on and not a peep from the FOP. Looks like just another useless hack as president in a long line of useless hacks.
cant wait for winter so i can use my comp time,the savages dont kill each other as much when its cold
Time due is being canceled in 005 all the time thanks to the xo. Unfucking believable. You put in 3 months in advance and you r still being canceled.
a couple of weeks ago in 008 we had an incident involving a white po and a black po,both on duty,it was a bad situation were 1 po put his hands on the other po while on a job,after dust settled,commander who was on the street,refused to come in,what a pimp move,we all know why,the black po has a phone call,and why would a self centered commander deal with it when he would get a call from a black politician? well when its me me me me
Unbelievable! Stick together boys, it's gonna be a bumpy ride
Correction time due restriction Thursday through Tuesday, enjoy that Wednesday!!!!!!
Anyone...ANYONE...that does a lick of proactive police work or revenue generation at the request or cajoling of some Bosshole after being denied time off is a fucking idiot.
Effected blue shirts need to do what some of the fellas (and gals) have been doing in a certain, to remain anonymous, district; the documenting of how the 'privileged' white shirts come and go as they please, oftentimes still splitting the shift as WC (or whatever they're called now).
It doesn't take much time or effort to film the arrival and departure times of your favorite time due-denying supervisor and then get a copy of the A & A's to corroborate the double standard. If you really want to be sneaky, coordinate with an RDO coworker to capture the arrival of these dummies at their residence while still on the clock. Sorry, but all bets are off when the Lt or Cpt says I can't have Saturday off for my kid's birthday and then they leave (again) four hours after they reported for duty.
You fuck with my time with my family? I'm gonna fuck you twice as hard. Believe that. The media loves scandal and controversy with the police, especially around contract time and when orchestrated by the powers that be. Let's see how well it sits with the PBPA when they have to go on the defensive.
Either everyone or no one has to play by the rules. The days of not "taking down the whole ship" are done once people can't see their kids walk across the stage to get their diploma or miss Junior strike out the final batter in the State Championship.
Game on.
It is the same way in 012, only 6 officers off on the extended week-end. Does that include the school officers working dog s/s? If you ask any white shirt they can't give you a straight answer. Or is this the genius thought of an ass kissing xo? Mind you all beat cars manned and 7 or 8 foot patrols.
The city does whatever it wants regardless of what the contract or an arbitrator says. If numerous p/o's start filing lawsuits with their own lawyers, things will change real fast.
The mantra of the old CITY NEWS BUREAU was...
"If your Mother says she loves you, check it out."
Before putting this on the BLOG
Please confirm this...
What is posted in the C.O. Book.
What is the wording of any real grievance filed. (Without names)
We all complain, but I bet people are still bringing in contact cards, movers, parkers, cta checks, arrests, and more. When will we ever learn that the more you give, the less you get and the more they want and the less they appreciate it.
Get out of 008 asap. The place is run by Irish merit clout hacks each one dumber than the other. If this were a ship there would be a mutiny.
Third Watch cry babies in 008 strike again ... disregarding officer safety ... the whole watch cannot take off ... If Kup were alive he would follow the same edict from downtown ...
@ 6/21/2012 01:31:00 AM you are RIGHT!!! Dam shame when PO's fight anyway over some bullsh&*. I would love to hear the spin on this one. Black PO punched by white PO because was interviewing a potential DB subject!! Commander ends up on scene and does jack!!! no matter what the beef take it in the station and fix it not the street!!!
If you get time denied, contact FOP and file a grievance. The more on record the better at contract time. How can we lose duty availability when our ability to take earned time is denied ?
You fuck with my time with my family? I'm gonna fuck you twice as hard. Believe that. The media loves scandal and controversy with the police, especially around contract time and when orchestrated by the powers that be. Let's see how well it sits with the PBPA when they have to go on the defensive.
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Perhaps you don't realize this KID . . .
A supervisor can excuse another officer (or another supervisor) for just cause . . that means NO slip, NO paperwork involved.
Go back to putting your hairgel on.
Time due has been denied on weekends in 011 for sometime now. And you know what, there are still these idiots who do all the traffic stops and contact cards. Overheard the XO saying that not giving anyone time due has done nothing to morale, because look at all the activity still coming in. You fucking idiots will never get it.
The ship is sunk!
Does this even matter to north side PO's? Let the working police squirm.
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How about you transfer to the northside? It's all one big city, no?
It's simple....
If you can't get time due from the commander ....
And the commander wants curfews and contact cards....
Since Kupczyk died, morale went to shit! McNaughton turned out to be a stroke. All he cares about is the "BOX".
Doest it matter to north side P.O.s? Really? Tired of hearing this shit. What am I Supposed to do move to the south side so I can be the "working police". I got assigned to my district when I came on. Good thing considering I've lived all my life on the northside. Remember when a cop gets killed the bad guy doesn't give a shit what side he's on. So fuck off anonymous, and be safe.
Westside Inside Do Nothing - you are absolutely right!
Like denying comp time is going to make any difference in the killing numbers.
Fck these bosses.
Even the slowest district 020 is getting comp time denied.
Anyone who is working that OT initiative is s rewing their coworkers.
I can have a day off? But I can work my day off? GFY!
And since the police doesn't stick together, the same people day in and day out still go out and get their dope arrest, impound a car or two. Use your fucking head, they deny giving you the time you have earned and you still go out and produce. Wake the fuck up.
Only THREE officers allowed off on a Sunday on 3rd watch in 011. We have had officers denied time due for their children being born, their honeymoons, and their child's first birthday party which were planned and had slips in for months in advance. And the commander has the nerve to tell us we aren't doing enough fucking contact cards. How about strapping on a pair and telling McFool at the next compstat meeting that activity is down and will stay that way until this fuking mess is fixed. Oh, I forgot, too afraid to lose that precious gold star. Forget the well being of everyone that actually WORKS for a living.
they claim we have a certain no of pos based on the budget. in reality there is not the no they claim, even though the money is appropriated. so where is the money going? this also occurs in other city departments. last but not least, do you know anyone who has achild in the asm program?
Easy problem for the guys in 008 to solve. With a little lack of effort, this edict would be recinded in a week.
Can the guys and gals in 008 solve this problem?
Do they have what it takes?
Only time will tell.
6/21/2012 01:46:00 AM
I understand your position against proactive police work, but the reason I don't agree with it could pretty up in this article:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-4-charged-in-south-side-robbery-spree-20120621,0,2508443.story
That traffic stop was "proactive", and thanks to those officers not turning a blind eye to a simple traffic violation, there are 4 less gangsters on the street for awhile that I won't have to worry about robbing my family or friends. There has to be a better way to voice our dissatisfaction with the management than letting the criminals run wild.
If you put time off in advanced and it is canceled and you don't take steps to enforce the contract...
Then you are a bitch who deserves what you get.
how many days off do you need?
Uh, management has the right to restrict elective time off. The only contractual right to elective time is in the sergeant's contract for personal days. Want off? Use tour of duty exchange, that's what FOP got it for.
A little OT, but I am disgusted that anyone would sign up for this bs overtime initiative. They won't let people take time off to be with their families and have a life outside of the job, but some people still don't give a shit about sticking together as a union. When you took this job you agreed to be part of a union. That means that every now and then you have to take one for the team. Sometimes being a money whore hurts the group as a whole, but people today just don't seem to get that. If this department had any kind of conviction as a UNION, we would have a lot more control over the bs they keep piling on us. But people will still keep bringing in their one baggers and signing up for this crap so the city wins again. We are going to get walked all over at contract time and we have nobody but ourselves to blame.
But ill bet everyone is bringing in mover, parkers, contact cards stil right?
that xo can take off whenever he wants to because it's a political merit non essential position
pays 2x what a new copper makes
This is what happens when u put a north side commander in a south side district. A guy who's entire career was spent north and he doesn't know how to react to the everyday shootings. It's not a big deal boss, went on before u arrived and will continue when u leave. When these clowns realize that the only thing they are bringing down is morale them maybe things will change. NO ONE will work for a boss that fucks his guys
If the 008th District would do some work maybe they could get the day off. In 008 the Crazy Roach leader Carter R is single handedly distroying Garfield Ridge & Kennedy HS and corrupting dozens of local kids in the neighborhood.
Carter who is also known by 008 tact as ""Powder" runs a weed spot out of his house that is owned by his daddy, a dick assigned to area central. If the police weren't afraid of the father maybe they could take some legitimate police action and do a warrant-but wait, it's ok to sell dope if its out of a policeman's house.
FOP has been absolutely useless. What have they done in the past year?
To the guy in 012. Up till last week we were getting up to 11 or more people off on the weekend. The XO caught it and announced no more than six.I was standing in the hallway when he told the Lt. To stop giving so much time off. The XO doesn't give a shit about any of us. He never worked the watch before he went upstairs and only cares about numbers. New humpers,no time,cars in the boxes, no time due. Look at the sheets on the weekend there are no foot guys up. They are on cars. How bout the guys who go on the medical every month. Don't see you beefing about them. Or maybe you are the one posting.
Anonymous said...
Here's an idea. If they insist on taking away our time due, everyone check the money box. Everytime. Show them how much it will cost them in actual cash to pay us instead of granting us time. The other question is, where the fuck is the FOP in all of this? All this nonsense going on and not a peep from the FOP. Looks like just another useless hack as president in a long line of useless hacks.
6/21/2012 12:56:00 AM
My question to you is WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO MAKE THE SITUATION BETTER. You know what would send a message loud and clear? Every officer at check off coming in with zeros across the board. The city wants to do it by the book and then so should you!
6/21/2012 01:46:00 AM
West Side Inside Do Nothing I like how you think.
Anonymous said...
The city does whatever it wants regardless of what the contract or an arbitrator says. If numerous p/o's start filing lawsuits with their own lawyers, things will change real fast.
6/21/2012 02:48:00 AM
Just listen to yourself pal. You sound so stupid. File lawsuits. How about come in to work and do everything by the book. You want to stop a car or a person on the street? Ask yourself what probable cause do you have? Are you sure then you have probable cause to stop a car or person? Are you really sure? Earth to idiot- take the initiative yourself and don't think someone else will do it for you.
Do these motherfuckers think we have no families?
Just when you think morale can't possibly sink lower...........
I'm sure this is gonna piss some people off but here's an idea of what the sheets look like in 024. Every beat car up and 10-4, Always 2 wagons, 2 plain clothes cars,
anywhere from 4-10 rapid cars that are 10-4, two traffic cars, and 6-7 foot posts and in the summer5-8 bike units. When you take into account the tact teams and saturation teams, it is insane how flush we are with coppers. I've been in 024 for almost 9 years and have never been denied time off. And you'll love this. When the ppo's are done with their status, usually 3-4 out of the 10 or so will stay here. Not shipped to the south and westside. I'm very thankful for this, trust me. I'm letting you know so the guys in 008 can start getting it through there heads how badly they are getting screwed over. Stop working. Do nothing. Answer your calls and that's it.
don't blame sergeants!
Well 4th of July is on a Wed. and Thanksgiving and Christmas is on a Tues. this year.. Now what?
6/21/2012 12:14:00 AM
Hey numbnuts. Thanksgiving is on a Thursday every year. It doesn't change. Now what?
Anonymous said...
truth in 008. thank you commander for having our backs.. oh wait, thats right. You offered this idea up at compstat. I see that you are doing a great job at kissing mcdrunks as*. Dont worry about the guys wearing blue... just make sure you get that next spot. You are a disgrace. Kup would be spinning in his grave if he found out how you are running things and treating the men. Your a joke, this department is a joke and the supt is a joke... Not to mention the jagoff XO of this waste of a district. Company men all the way.
6/21/2012 12:19:00 AM
And yet you fools keep running around on the west end of 008 illegally stopping every Catholic school kid that is walking down the street, searching them with no probable cause, hoping to find something, anything to show the boss what great arrests you make. Keep bitching about no time off yet keep searching for bullshit pinches to please the boss!!!
When I was in 003, years ago, the I was assigned to a crappy secter and the sargent said I was gonna work today in a snob remark. I came in with ZERO'S at the end of the day and he asked how come? I said I was working today. I later found out that he told the WC, who was going to send me to another district, but he couldn't find anything worse. He left me alone and I was back on my car.
Insider told me the reason random drug is hitting all the districts hard is because after they get 15 people they can go home. Also it isn't random they are sending the same groups of people so they won't have any problems. I have already contacted the news media. Something needs to be done about this
In 018 the XO asked us in roll to take time off on the weekends. Apparently too many POs and not enough beat car slots. We all stood together in solidarity and said "No thanks boss. The meals at the Four Seasons are better than what we get at home."
Time due is being canceled in 005 all the time thanks to the xo. Unfucking believable. You put in 3 months in advance and you r still being canceled.:
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Yeah he was like that when was just the 3rd watch captain in 005 when I was there a few years back. Captain JJ is a HUGE asshole, I so glad I got away from him.
When your request for compensatory time is denied, and you need the day off; it's as simple as telling them you will not be coming in and to carry you A.W.O.P. You will not recieve pay for that day, but there is nothing they can do to you and you will have your day off. Regardless of contract or not, there are still federal labor laws:-)
Just a question regarding furlo extensions. And before you say get off your lazy ass and look up the general orders or look at the contract,or call FOP I already did. But can someone clarify if there is anything in writing regarding how long you can extend your furlo. Word of mouth or district/w/c rules sometimes says the Sunday before or the Saturday after the segment. Yet some peoples extensions are being denied and some p.o.s are allowed less than 21 days total(some only given 16 days which is basically a 2 day extension to your 14 day segment furlo), yet other p.os I know have been granted up to 28 days on a half segment furlo. Does anyone know if there is an answer in writing or is it the w/c's discretion.
When I came on the job in the early 90's, 008 was one of the most sought after assignments. 002 was a hell-hole. Who'da thought I'd ever see the day when 002 "The Duece" would be favored over 008? 008...the district my homeroom instructor used to call "God's Country"?
well if your fatigued and cant work after all the hours hit the medical for fatigue.
Here's an idea. If they insist on taking away our time due, everyone check the money box. Everytime. Show them how much it will cost them in actual cash to pay us instead of granting us time. The other question is, where the fuck is the FOP in all of this? All this nonsense going on and not a peep from the FOP. Looks like just another useless hack as president in a long line of useless hacks.
6/21/2012 12:56:00 AM
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Dude you must be a fucking moron!!! Do you not pay attention moron, the FOP filed a unfair labor practice charge with the State labor relations board due to the grievances that the city refuses to arbitrate. What the fuck else would you suggest they do for you??
Come on ass wipe offer a suggestion instead of bitching that the union isnt doing anything for you. When was the last time you spoke up at a union meeting or to your commander, have you gone in to talk to him or its too easy for you to sit here and bitch like a puss.
This happens if you let it. I can't wait until I get denied. Cough cough... If you men and women keep coming in with parkers, movers, impounds, and curfews this b.s is going to keep happening to us in 008. Stick together! When the commander's and xo's numbers start to drop let them explain how the "back bone of the department" is feed up with their b.s. they need us more then we need these over paid hacks. They never did half the stuff we are doing out there. They are able to take the time off with their families, but we must take the time away from our family. I refuse to work my days off for this ot they are putting our there, hire more officers! I could use the money, but I'd rather see more officers out there with us on the streets when they have to hire more.
On another note. Leo is starting to lose it on 007. Dude "accidentally" shoots himself in the leg the other night. Leo makes it an accidental injury report and no one goes to jail. No mention of a weapon. Cooking the books....
They are denying time everywhere, including the north side districts. Talked to a officer from 019 and was told that even with the merger and addition of manpower there, they only allow a max of 5 P.O.s off on the weekend. Of course there will never be a shortage of manpower at rahm's house, as the taxpayers pay officers to babysit his family. The department better take care of all the officers on management because they are the only ones with incentive to be productive. Even still, the box that holds all the parkers and movers is looking pretty empty these days.
its true. the commander is also a MICRO-MANAGING asshole. FOP came to speak at one of the roll calls and the fuckin jagoff kicked them out
You fuck with my time with my family? I'm gonna fuck you twice as hard. Believe that. The media loves scandal and controversy with the police, especially around contract time and when orchestrated by the powers that be. Let's see how well it sits with the PBPA when they have to go on the defensive.
Either everyone or no one has to play by the rules. The days of not "taking down the whole ship" are done once people can't see their kids walk across the stage to get their diploma or miss Junior strike out the final batter in the State Championship.
Damn right. This job has been dying a slow death for years and messing with a persons social life away from this job will be the death blow and will be considered a declaration of war by some folks. The fools denying you time off will say its not personal but their full of s&!t. If they appreciated your efforts they'd make it work somehow. And thanks again for your great work and professionalism during NATO......NOT !!!!! now Eff your furlo extension and your other summer plans.
whoever asked that this be checked out, im telling you its true in 008 pdays being cancled the day before, and some had fathers day cancled even though slips were put in march and that was after a to form had to be submitted. po's cannot plan baby furlo because they are being told that they have to use pdays only and its not a sure thing. everything has to go through the idiot no stones xo and then its cancled. 3rd watch is hit the hardest becuse he has a personal hard on for them. Po's are being punished for the animal on the street and the lack of any real leadership. Some white shirts shouldnt be allowed to carry a loaded pistol nevermind leading and 008 is a perfect example
When your weekend is cancelled, Demand Triple Time, or hit the medical!
Has anyone heard of furloughs being maxed out at 21 days? W/C had just told us that its a new rule.
You fuck with my time with my family? I'm gonna fuck you twice as hard. Believe that. The media loves scandal and controversy with the police, especially around contract time and when orchestrated by the powers that be. Let's see how well it sits with the PBPA when they have to go on the defensive.
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Perhaps you don't realize this KID . . .
A supervisor can excuse another officer (or another supervisor) for just cause . . that means NO slip, NO paperwork involved.
Go back to putting your hairgel on.
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I didn't write the first comment but it's true. If they want to fuck with us-catch them on video. It may be accepted for supervisors to do this right now but wait until the media and the public find out that their tax dollars are being wasted on huge salaries when these peole aren't even where they should be. I promise that this rule of the
Not dropping a slip will be a thing of the past. RIP KUP. You were the best.
Hey did you ever hear of the cough cough medical. They can send a sgt to check on you and you would be home on fathers day with the kids. Hey IOD is another one Fuck this city and the Jagoff bosses!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
whoever asked that this be checked out, im telling you its true in 008 pdays being cancled the day before, and some had fathers day cancled even though slips were put in march and that was after a to form had to be submitted. po's cannot plan baby furlo because they are being told that they have to use pdays only and its not a sure thing. everything has to go through the idiot no stones xo and then its cancled. 3rd watch is hit the hardest becuse he has a personal hard on for them. Po's are being punished for the animal on the street and the lack of any real leadership. Some white shirts shouldnt be allowed to carry a loaded pistol nevermind leading and 008 is a perfect example
6/21/2012 02:30:00 PM
Start filing grievances. P-Day cancelled the day before is grounds for a grievance. If you don't start filing them instead of bitching on here then you have nobody to blame but yourselves. If this stupid ass XO gets a few grievances sustained on his ass, he'll change his tune real quick.
On another note. Leo is starting to lose it on 007. Dude "accidentally" shoots himself in the leg the other night. Leo makes it an accidental injury report and no one goes to jail. No mention of a weapon. Cooking the books....
Moron it is an accidental injury report and you can only use the City charge if you want to arrest him which is a hude waste of time and man power.
Only 3rd watch denied for time due on weekends! Thanks to our xo. Who hates 3rd watch and doesnt make it a secret!
You do not need probable cause to make a street stop. All you need is reasonable belief. You need probable cause to make an arrest. However, be prepared to articulate the reason for the stop. Document it on a contact card. If after making a street stop based on reasonable beleif, you develop probable cause and make an arrest, a contact card is not necessary. Stay safe and back each other up.
29 years and DONE said...
You fuck with my time with my family? I'm gonna fuck you twice as hard. Believe that. The media loves scandal and controversy with the police, especially around contract time and when orchestrated by the powers that be. Let's see how well it sits with the PBPA when they have to go on the defensive.
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Perhaps you don't realize this KID . . .
A supervisor can excuse another officer (or another supervisor) for just cause . . that means NO slip, NO paperwork involved.
Go back to putting your hairgel on.
6/21/2012 07:08:00 AM
And this means exactly WHAT Mr. 29 years and DONE??
I'll let you in on a little secret, dumbass. While you were hiding under a rock for your whole career, a new breed of "boss" has taken control of this joint. Bosses too dumb to cover their tracks and too scared to keep their mouths shut when they get caught with their hand in the cookie jar. They will sing like canaries when it's either them or someone else losing their pension. I'm sure you've heard the phrase "there's no honor amongst thieves"..the new breed of police bosses couldn't keep a secret or run game to save their lives. And technology is a thiefs ( AND a jagoff bosses) worst enemy. I will take the original posters advice and do a little bit of candid camera just like I do for my side gig for the insurance company. And your little half-assed explanation as to why someone was excused by the WC for just cause will work once, maybe twice. Too bad stupid bastards like yourself will fail to see what everyone else sees - the pattern.
It sure is apparent you didn't learn much in 29 years grandpa. Maybe go comb in a bit more Alberto V05 to feel better?
Use tour of duty exchange, that's what FOP got it for.
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I don't mean to sound like an imbecile, but I have never heard of the above--been in the 'D' unit 20 years, so maybe I missed something.
You're gonna fuck with our time we spend with our families??!! Now it's PERSONAL. I have talked to many POs who have kept their mouths shut about all the previous mismanagement, but no longer. Even the quiet POs are angrily voicing their opinions. This will be the straw that breaks the camel's back. Personally, I can say that what little activity I did produce was to build up my time on the books. What is the point of building up my hours if I can't use those hours? I will respond to calls for service and back up my fellow POs. THAT IS IT.
Stop bringing in activity. Period. When you finally submit and cross over, you will feel a load off your shoulders. No activity. This is life. And can the crap about "I do it for myself, my mother, my priest, my work ethic, my upbringing, blah, blah, blah."
No leader at the top, no leaders through the ranks. The blue shirts are the backbone of this department, and the blue shirts didn't cause this.
Sit back, relax, back each other up. Write all the reports you can.
You might like it on the 'dark side.'
And yet you fools keep running around on the west end of 008 illegally stopping every Catholic school kid that is walking down the street, searching them with no probable cause, hoping to find something, anything to show the boss what great arrests you make. Keep bitching about no time off yet keep searching for bullshit pinches to please the boss!!!
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Who is illegally stopping Catholic school kids? Please tell. Hopefully you don't
Live out there and have police stop doing work when your house gets burglarized or your family robbed. Police live there. The beat car just wants to make sure police can live in peace in their own neighborhood and not let shithead gangbangers take over. It's not about numbers for some of us. It's about protecting our neighborhood.
Speaking of working together and the 012 District, who is the Prima Donna CAPS Sergeant who can't fill in on the watch? Seems 12 is very short Sgt's on days and calls all the other districts in the area asking for a Sgt. When they were asked if they use the CAPS Sgt or a Tact Sgt to fill in, the response from the front office was my CAPS Sgt won't be touched. So they call and ask for a Sgt almost every single day. Must be nice not to have to pitch in and help out.
Anonymous said...
Easy problem for the guys in 008 to solve. With a little lack of effort, this edict would be recinded in a week.
Can the guys and gals in 008 solve this problem?
Do they have what it takes?
Only time will tell.
6/21/2012 09:04:00 AM
I have been asking myself the same questions for a very long time. No matter how badly they fuck with us, officers don't want to stand up for themselves.
I remember a boss told me one day when I expressed my dissatisfaction; "I don't give a fuck what you think because there are plenty of officers going out there generating activity for me".
Fop is saying take advantage of duty trade....good luck stay safe...
All resources are put in the "BOX" to lower the homicide/ agg batt rate. This is done by cancelling time due, scratching traffic cars, etc. We are babysitting the savages so the numbers look good at compstat meetings.
Yet their are still morons who come in with revenue for an ungrateful Asshole. Why is a footman writing 30 Parker's a day with 30 yrs on the job?
On another note. Leo is starting to lose it on 007. Dude "accidentally" shoots himself in the leg the other night. Leo makes it an accidental injury report and no one goes to jail. No mention of a weapon. Cooking the books....
6/21/2012 01:32:00 PM
Really? How stupid.
I stopped by the NATO Command Center during the 1800-0600 hour tour which was being run by the Commander of 008. That guy needs to buy some new pants and shirts that fit. Also, he should invest in an iron. He looked like a stuffed sausage in his uniform, duty belt and all. It was a horrific site.
At one point, he was standing next to ISP; the creases on that Troopers uniform were so sharp, made him look like "Pig Pen" from Peanuts.
well if your fatigued and cant work after all the hours hit the medical for fatigue.
6/21/2012 01:16:00 PM
And be prepared for a psych eval before you some back. Stress or burnout or fatigue are going to get you a mandatory psych screen. Have fun.
Maybe just say you have a cold. Less grief.
008, 3rd watch:
You are being fucked with. Fuck with them back. Late arrests, money box. 'Nuff said.
OT- but not really....
Attended FOP mtg. on Tuesday and Shields danced around the upcoming contract negotiations. He said that City lawyer Franczek was on a fact finding mission with Teachers Union for six weeks and would contact FOP after that.
Doesn't it seem odd that the City hasn't given the FOP a list of proposals? The City is dealing with every other Union but FOP. I know the reason - FOP forgot to get that Article 28.1 letter in on time. So this means our contract is now extended to June 30, 2013 and the City also told FOP that it will be the last union it negotiates with. Why won't FOP tell its members this info? How much bargaining power does FOP have really now?
Does this even matter to north side PO's? Let the working police squirm
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relax Francis. ive got 18 years on and up north . spent 13 in "ghetto districts" now i have a spot in a unit up here and i just denied a weekend i put in for a month ago. stop with your supercop stereotyping. it shows your lack of experience and / or lack of intelligence.
Keep working!
whats going on with the morale in this department. worst ever.. bet you miss Weis now. I do. he didnt fuck with us too much. or our time.
Just a question regarding furlo extensions. And before you say get off your lazy ass and look up the general orders or look at the contract,or call FOP I already did. But can someone clarify if there is anything in writing regarding how long you can extend your furlo. Word of mouth or district/w/c rules sometimes says the Sunday before or the Saturday after the segment. Yet some peoples extensions are being denied and some p.o.s are allowed less than 21 days total(some only given 16 days which is basically a 2 day extension to your 14 day segment furlo), yet other p.os I know have been granted up to 28 days on a half segment furlo. Does anyone know if there is an answer in writing or is it the w/c's discretion?
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The agreement between the Department and the FOP is that if you work the 4 and 2 schedule a furlough extension is to your RDOs on the front and your RDOs on the end. If you are in a fix DOG working 5 on 2 off then you are able to extend to your RDOs on either the front or the end but not both, one or the other.
In my opinion this was a quick agreement and not well thought out, furloughs are not equal for everyone. Depending where your RDOs fall you can end up with a maximum furlough anywhere between 19 days and 26 days, and if you have a Commander or XO who are to scared to use discretion to allow you to extend it further than the general order allows like we do that's exactly what you will get.
When your request for compensatory time is denied, and you need the day off; it's as simple as telling them you will not be coming in and to carry you A.W.O.P. You will not recieve pay for that day, but there is nothing they can do to you and you will have your day off. Regardless of contract or not, there are still federal labor laws:-)
6/21/2012 12:52:00 PM
Don't forget to mention the spar you will receive for failing to notify your supervisor that you would not be at work and for unauthorized time off.
To the member of the FOP who wrote the comment below, quit defending you and your buddies here, all you guys are going to be voted out next election.
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Dude you must be a fucking moron!!! Do you not pay attention moron, the FOP filed a unfair labor practice charge with the State labor relations board due to the grievances that the city refuses to arbitrate. What the fuck else would you suggest they do for you??
Come on ass wipe offer a suggestion instead of bitching that the union isnt doing anything for you. When was the last time you spoke up at a union meeting or to your commander, have you gone in to talk to him or its too easy for you to sit here and bitch like a puss.
6/21/2012 01:21:00 PM
The commander of 008 is not a boss...he is a slick talking, bullshit spewing politician. Nothing more...nothing less. He was a clown of a patrolman in 014, a goof of a sergeant in 017, and an ass-kissing lieutenant in 010. Now he holds a gold star and cares about one person, and believe me, it is not anyone in a blue shirt. Want an example? Ask any of the officers that he denied entry to the stanley cup viewing a few years back. He apologized to the officers and said he couldn't even get his own family in, while his family was walking through the door along with the chief of some nearby suburban department.
Does this even matter to north side PO's? Let the working police squirm.
6/21/2012 12:39:00 AM
Same story up north. Not just the south side.
Make note of when the xo and the commander come in and leave.
Anyone...ANYONE...that does a lick of proactive police work or revenue generation at the request or cajoling of some Bosshole after being denied time off is a fucking idiot.
Effected blue shirts need to do what some of the fellas (and gals) have been doing in a certain, to remain anonymous, district; the documenting of how the 'privileged' white shirts come and go as they please, oftentimes still splitting the shift as WC (or whatever they're called now).
It doesn't take much time or effort to film the arrival and departure times of your favorite time due-denying supervisor and then get a copy of the A & A's to corroborate the double standard. If you really want to be sneaky, coordinate with an RDO coworker to capture the arrival of these dummies at their residence while still on the clock. Sorry, but all bets are off when the Lt or Cpt says I can't have Saturday off for my kid's birthday and then they leave (again) four hours after they reported for duty.
You fuck with my time with my family? I'm gonna fuck you twice as hard. Believe that. The media loves scandal and controversy with the police, especially around contract time and when orchestrated by the powers that be. Let's see how well it sits with the PBPA when they have to go on the defensive.
Either everyone or no one has to play by the rules. The days of not "taking down the whole ship" are done once people can't see their kids walk across the stage to get their diploma or miss Junior strike out the final batter in the State Championship.
Game on.
6/21/2012 01:46:00 AM
That's pretty petty to me. The attitude of misery loves company is the sam for those private sector folks who want us to retire with no pension. I'm a PO and I could not take off to attend my own graduation but I would never try to stick it to anyone else. The Sgt or Lt didn't make the rule they are just following orders. Your solution won't change anything it will just cause more belt tightening when we have enough. Plus it's just mean.
There has to be a better way to voice our dissatisfaction with the management than letting the criminals run wild.
6/21/2012 09:06:00 AM
Amen. Absolutely. Doing this only makes itbhardervon citizens and on us later down the line.
Hey XO EK of 007, Where is the Christmas gift for the LT's in 011 that you collected money while you were a SGT from the watch and never gave them?
Still waiting to see what you bought them with the $$$ you collected from the watch.
Just say you gambled the money away already!
Word of caution to those on 007.
Never Ever give one penny to this man. You will never see it again.
It just goes to show you that only the best and brightest are leading this department.
XO of 007! What a joke this department has become.
speaking of the box. whatever happened to jack in the box?
f the 008th District would do some work maybe they could get the day off. In 008 the Crazy Roach leader Carter R is single handedly distroying Garfield Ridge & Kennedy HS and corrupting dozens of local kids in the neighborhood.
Carter who is also known by 008 tact as ""Powder" runs a weed spot out of his house that is owned by his daddy, a dick assigned to area central. If the police weren't afraid of the father maybe they could take some legitimate police action and do a warrant-but wait, it's ok to sell dope if its out of a policeman's house.
Irresponsible post ... Step dad is trying to make best of bad situation. Mom is the problem. And he is nowhere near being the leader. CR's have tamed it down. Two Six from Lawler Park and the Midway Kings are the real problem. The Bury your head in the sand PO's that live in 008 could do a lot more but just cry about it. Memo to the goof that posted about the Catholic school kids ... they act untouchable ... and they are a problem too cause Mommy and Daddy are the POLICE, fireman , or city worker. Once of the little smart asses mommy works for Alderman Z and thinks he can do anything.
Anonymous said...
We all complain, but I bet people are still bringing in contact cards, movers, parkers, cta checks, arrests, and more. When will we ever learn that the more you give, the less you get and the more they want and the less they appreciate it.
6/21/2012 05:18:00 AM
Yeah ... those people still doing those things are called "cops" unlike you, you whimpering pussy. Get over yourself.
f the 008th District would do some work maybe they could get the day off. In 008 the Crazy Roach leader Carter R is single handedly distroying Garfield Ridge & Kennedy HS and corrupting dozens of local kids in the neighborhood.
Carter who is also known by 008 tact as ""Powder" runs a weed spot out of his house that is owned by his daddy, a dick assigned to area central. If the police weren't afraid of the father maybe they could take some legitimate police action and do a warrant-but wait, it's ok to sell dope if its out of a policeman's house.
Irresponsible post ... Step dad is trying to make best of bad situation. Mom is the problem. And he is nowhere near being the leader. CR's have tamed it down. Two Six from Lawler Park and the Midway Kings are the real problem. The Bury your head in the sand PO's that live in 008 could do a lot more but just cry about it. Memo to the goof that posted about the Catholic school kids ... they act untouchable ... and they are a problem too cause Mommy and Daddy are the POLICE, fireman , or city worker. Once of the little smart asses mommy works for Alderman Z and thinks he can do anything.
6/22/2012 01:49:00 AM
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Hey goof, how can you defend daddy (unless you're powder's daddy) when the kid has been locked up a bunch of times. The 3rd watch has grabbed him 4 times alone. I never delt with momma and I have only seen the old man driving around GR in his mid life crisis vette.
And I don't believe the original post Was irresponsible nor do I think it was denying a problem with other gangs or areas of 008.
And powders one of those catholic school (st Dan) kids and nonody can deny carter isnt a crazy roach gangbanger. So how do you say he's not bad, dads not bad, but the city worker kids think they're untouchable. Isn't that kind of exactly what the first post was saying?
All I want is GR to remain safe and a nice place to life and I think that's all anybody who is concerned with the problem wants also.
This is classic, limit resources, i.e. time off, assignments, promotions and you'll have people stabbing each other in the back to get a benefit. It's sad to see the hostility toward each other. The plans to harm others or rat on them is pathetic. This is the new police dept.
As stated before, we are our own worst enemies. All the griping about this person has this assignment, that person has that assignment has created a climate of fewer assignments available which only hurts beat cops who will have no where to go when experiencing burnout.
All the talk about the zillions of lazy coppers that are abusing the medical, when in reality it was 1% of the force, not excusable at all but, led to a reduction of our previous medical policy.
All the griping about no manpower etc has led to time off being extremely limited. Whatdid you expect? But this is not news. Time off in the summer has almost always been limited in the summer in my district. It's nothing new. What is new is the cops who want to purposely jam others up. Just remember you are creating more restrictions down the line for yourself no matter who you throw under the bus.
Lastly, all the talk about laying down and not doing anything is going to bite us in the butt as well. The problem is that the public that reads this forum doesn't realize that this is not true. Cops are not laying down but doing their job. Those that don't are few and not respected. To any cop who thinks its cool to do nothing, remember you are creating a climate of lawlessness that will affect you or another cop. That's not the oath we took nor is it a solution. You will have the blood of another cop on your hands.
Stop throwing everyone under the bus. Stop ratting and being envious of others. It is a sin and the powers that be along with each of us has created this climate of limited resources. Stand above it and fight the real fight, not each other. This will be over one day and we'll get to the other side. Let's just hope we can get there without hurting each other.
The private sector has the same mentality and bash public workers because some in the the private sector lost their pension. Their solution is to hurt others rather than go after the real problem of theft, misuse of pension funds. We don't think that's right yet we do essentially the same thing when faced with limited resources. It's pathetic.
I can't wait to see a commander get demoted back to LT for sticking up for his troops. He will be the most respected boss on the job and then will be the most troop productive for doing so. Keeping treating the troops like shit and telling them they can't see their families. If someone was doing harm to your kid, would you just stand there and watch, fuck no, you would fucking kick their ass or kill them. Same concept by denying time due and telling coppers they can't see their kids, they will kill your numbers. Fucking White Shirts are Stupid!
To 12:53 and 3:11 -
Read the order. Furloughs can be extended on front and back of the segment up to your next RDOs. Yes, it's unfair because of your day off group. And don't forget, management DOES NOT have to let you extend past the segment. Any other days past your RDOs is not an authorized extension, also.
The ONLY guaranteed time off are your RDOs (and even they can be cancelled) and your assigned furlo segment. Although sergeants always get their personal days.
Any other time off is only at management discretion. So, the shorter we get in manpower, the less time off will be given.
Anonymous said...
And yet you fools keep running around on the west end of 008 illegally stopping every Catholic school kid that is walking down the street, searching them with no probable cause, hoping to find something, anything to show the boss what great arrests you make. Keep bitching about no time off yet keep searching for bullshit pinches to please the boss!!!
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Who is illegally stopping Catholic school kids? Please tell. Hopefully you don't
Live out there and have police stop doing work when your house gets burglarized or your family robbed. Police live there. The beat car just wants to make sure police can live in peace in their own neighborhood and not let shithead gangbangers take over. It's not about numbers for some of us. It's about protecting our neighborhood.
6/21/2012 05:47:00 PM
Yes I do live here and yes I am a cop. So why was it when my house was burglarized I was able to call in a burglary in progress to a p.o.s house, leave work and drive home(20 minutes), then enter my house through the kicked in door to make sure it was safe, then wait another hour for p.o.s to arrive then give me attitude and then give me a fucking criminal damage to property report then leave. Way to protect the homefront and way to be helpful and courteous to another p.o. And as far as stopping the gangbangers that's great but I wouldn't consider my 11 year old son wearing a polo shirt and checkered shorts who just walked out of the house with school books in hand would pass as a gangbanger.
to the goof that posted about the Catholic school kids ... they act untouchable ... and they are a problem too cause Mommy and Daddy are the POLICE, fireman , or city worker. Once of the little smart asses mommy works for Alderman Z and thinks he can do anything.
6/22/2012 01:49:00 AM
Ok I understand no kid is perfect but I don't remember learning that if a kid is a smart ass it isn't a reason to pull him over, search his pockets and shoes, make him kneel on the street while you go search up and down the gangways looking for something to put on them.Maybe some of you hard ass 008dist cops can drop the hard ass attitude. Maybe your bad ass attitude leads to the kids smart ass attitude. And yes I am a P.O. who witnessed this on several occasions and yes I confronted the officers why he is searching my son and a half a block area only to get that dumb fuck look and stutter. Not every kid is a shit head. Try to differentiate between a decent kid and a gangbanger.
Anonymous said.... All he cares about is the "BOX".
6/21/2012 07:47:00 AM
True for about 90% of the male population.
Yes I do live here and yes I am a cop. So why was it when my house was burglarized I was able to call in a burglary in progress to a p.o.s house, leave work and drive home(20 minutes), then enter my house through the kicked in door to make sure it was safe, then wait another hour for p.o.s to arrive then give me attitude and then give me a fucking criminal damage to property report then leave. Way to protect the homefront and way to be helpful and courteous to another p.o. And as far as stopping the gangbangers that's great but I wouldn't consider my 11 year old son wearing a polo shirt and checkered shorts who just walked out of the house with school books in hand would pass as a gangbanger.
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Well if you had a problem, call for a supervisor. Simple as that. I'm sure I could speak with people where you work and find some citizens who weren't satisfied with your police service. Not every police officer is perfect. Just because you had a bad experience doesn't mean all cops on the west end are assholes. I happen to think they do a great job for the most part. If it took a long time for police to get there-thank your mayor for having 1 car assigned to beat 811 and one to beat 812 and a very busy district that is dangerously short on manpower. There are some dogs, that applies to any job. For the most part, the 8th district cops on the west end are concerned with the 10 sector and do the best they can.
6/21/2012 11:55:00 AM
As a copper living on beat 2411, I can verify your claim, regarding the more than adequate manpower in 024. You guys are always loaded to the gills with po's.
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