Suspend It All!
Crime will be documented, but it will not be solved:
- The Ivory Tower had decreed that Detectives will have a report on all handouts within 5 days!!
OK let see how fast you can say suspend.
Thw word is that in NYC all cases are suspended and only the victims who demand follow up get some
Tie this into the upcoming list of jobs we won't even be responding to and we foresee a tremendous drop off in crime numbers. We also see a massive drop in the Clearance rates, though "massive" is a relative term if you look at the actual numbers right now.
Labels: from the comments, rumors
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
69 Comments:
Makes my day go by easier, sure boss
ha.. oh well. it actually makes the dics jobs easier. they cant bitch about the clarence rates anymore. after five days sorry.. suspended on to the next case. cold case is gonna have to pick up the slack now I guess but then what now, swamp them? the backlog will still be there... its just getting passed on to the next guy. smoke meet mirror. now do your thang
This has been going on for awhile now. I did a GOCR for phone harassment and I received a letter that the case was suspended, try and get ahold of the assigned dic,lol.
The CPD is beyond fucked right now.
A call to 311 takes 8 minutes for someone to pickup and then hangup on you without speaking.
Great job callback!
fuck this, everyone be armed and be ready for riots & looting
Like the severed foot found in the rail yard on the near west side yesterday -- yeah, listed as a "found/recovered property " case.
the story finally broke on the news! Chuck's I-team report, featured the cpd's youtube sensation in k-town
As our criminal justice system fails, another will take its place.
This is how criminal gangs gain a foothold in society. Your daughter gets raped and the police/courts/prison system can't provide justice.....go see the local gangster.
I don't think we want to go there.
"GUN TURN-IN"
Destroy all the guns. NO forensic work done this time. This will be the first time that forensics are not getting involved with the work up of the gun turn in.
We are still looking for the guns that killed Oficer Michael Bailey, Officer Jose Vazquez and Det. Robert Soto.
If found. The gun desk can trace the guns to possible suspects who purchased the guns. Or all types of possibles. Victims might have possible leads. Names on who might of burglarized the apartments and took the guns. Officers murdered. Mc Jersey is sure coming up with more new strategies. Leave the dead crimes dead. How about solving homicides. Maybe the guns come back to our suspects and now we can get charges approved.
The no questions asked were just for the turn in. NOT for other crimes connected with these guns.
My SGT said, they don't want to give us any possible leads or forensic help. What about the new gun unit starting up. What will they do. If we don't get witness or video. Forget it. Sad. I just hope its not true.
AREA CENTRAL
6/25/2012 02:17:00 AM
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I heard the same thing. Just destroy them.
This is like the Superman comic book. It is truly bizarro-land.
All the screw-ups get rewarded. The guys that actually care and are trying to do the best job they can get vilified and are treated like lepers.
And don't EVER do your job and come to management with a job-related issue. All you're told is "Stop your whining,I don't want to hear it".
Well,pretty soon all they're going to hear is the sound of that PAR form hitting their desk. Bye,Bye, idiots.
6/25/2012 07:50:00 AM
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I thought these to guys are right on the money $$$$$$$$$$$$$ and belong on this post. Destroying all the evidence goes right along with the plan to SUSPEND ALL THE CASES!
It is looking more and more that they just want to tell everyone everything is A OK! Forget solving any crime. The only cases to be cleared will be on view..........
Clearance rate? I'm probably getting 120+ cases per month. What's a clearance rate?
Anonymous said...
the story finally broke on the news! Chuck's I-team report, featured the cpd's youtube sensation in k-town
6/28/2012 12:57:00 AM
???
That is the end game in this numbers driven Department. If people get absolutely NO service when they call the police, then, they will stop calling and the stats go down.
It's brilliant. Complete bull shit, yet, brilliant.
The public is tuning in to the high homicide rate in Chicago. They have yet to grasp the dismal clearance rate for solving murders compared to other cities.
Any det's from NY who can confirm this?
I call BS because even for BS burglaries we have to use a full RBT format even though every line ends up as "DNA" or "NONE".
Absolute waste of time.
this is actually a good policy for most cases. there are some exceptions here and there, but there are limited resources and not spending those scarce resources on low priority and low probability cases is just good sense.
SUNK!
So why are we funding a police department? If the upper echelons of police management don't want crimes solved because of the effort involved to solve those crimes then why can't citizens form a militia to defend themselves against the criminals?
Chicago has degenerated into a legal anarchy where there are laws for one set of people and empty promises for those that fund it.
Crime will be down all right. If it isn't reported it didn't occur.
"GUN TURN-IN"........
saw a report on the internet....worldwide, 875 million firearms; the US has about 25% of those (275 million or so)....not sure how they estimate that, but, keep making those gun arrests and gun turn-ins!.....making a difference! hah
Off topic SCC but it's supposed to reach 100 degrees today. Will the beaches be closed due to heat(Sarcasm off). Carry on Sir, stay cool out there!!!!
This should be a major news item because it is destruction of potential evidence! Why is the Media ignoring this? Are they that fond of Rham that willing to protect him? Criminals will avoid prosecution because of this failure to retain evidence.
If the current detectives dont have a huge case load because everything is Suspended, then there is no reason to promote any new detectives.
Garry also had IAD watching guys from Area 1 with do nothing spots (homicide filing?) to exploit the misuse of manpower .
Like the severed foot found in the rail yard on the near west side yesterday -- yeah, listed as a "found/recovered property " case.
6/28/2012 12:29:00 AM
Wow, I'm impressed they did the proper report.
They started watching Area 1 for the useless spots for the chosen few because they want to justify the swiping for the detectives.
So, let me understand this deal with the that upstart criminal enterprise Ceasefire. They have a "no snitch" policy and share no information, while they get to sit in Compstat meetings and are privey to all our plans and problems.
Does anybody think the dope-man will now be informed where NOT to operate.
Does a Million dollars to Jeff Fort and the Blackstone Rangers ring a bell.
Gentleman we have reached the bottom.
Talk about killing crime. There will be no crime when the Evil One gets done. Kill all the reports and presto crime is way way down.
Handouts are not ment to be worked anymore. We don't have enough det's for in custody jobs most nights. Retirements have really decimated the detective division. All that matters to the bosses is being able to show no jobs on late list at the compstat meeting. It is going to take years to fix this dept after the Mcjersy shore/ wysinger regime is over.
If I just stop acting on crime that I see, the numbers will go down too. See that hand waiver? I don't. There you have it. Crime reduction New York style. Thanks for the tip, GMac.
This has been going on for awhile now. I did a GOCR for phone harassment and I received a letter that the case was suspended, try and get ahold of the assigned dic,lol.
The CPD is beyond fucked right now.
6/28/2012 12:24:00 AM
Trying looking out on the park bench in Area North he'll be the one smoking and trying to look busy!
Area 1 is being watched for guys not working their assigned shifts and leaving early.
this fits into comp stat perfectly... The clearance rate will go up because the handful of jobs you get to work on might get solved, everything that is suspended never existed in the first place. Just like the 1,200 Police jobs Rahm eliminated in the last budget.
Its all on how you make the stats work for you. Clearing 3 of 10 is much better than 3 of 100
The five day suspend rule has been that way for at least 8 years. All morons did was document that on paper.
When you call, you can't understand them anyway. They don't bother learning how to speak. They just know how to YELL. Sick of all of them.
With the new system of Murder teams, and Agg battery teams, the General Assignment guys and gals are getting all the handouts and are being swamped. No choice but to churn and burn and suspend everything. Handouts are assigned everyday, including RDOs. G/A Det have gotten approximately 175-200 handouts each since April 1st along with Field Jobs. Meanwhile the Teams get none.. The supervisors are aware of this and all they care about it the freaking late list.
A2(south) 10 hour days, when you come back from your days off you will have 1 day to turn in the suspended sup.
Time check and event number please?
On view? Sounds like you need to adjust your blinders.
The brass is trying to make an example out of a couple of Area 1 guys. This way they can justify the consolodation and no promotions. They started watching certain guys and seeing how unproductive they were and now want to eliminate these spots.
This new policy is so stupid is beyond contempt. I usually take the month that we had to work on my cases. It is a lot easier to work a case in a month than to work a case in five days. Now I see why Mc thinks that we have too many Detectives. Once I suspend a case, I rarely go back to it. Especially now that we have less space for files at the Area. You are correct SCC, we will just suspend our cases and will not look back. This Police Department is going from bad to worse. Out of sight, out of mind.
McCarthy knows nothing about criminal investigations. He never did investigations, he never understood how to do investigations, therefore, he doesn't like investigations.
He thinks they're a waste of time. He can stop crime before it happens, so why would he waste time investigating crime that already occurred?
Just listen to Rahm 2 minutes into it.
Please watch the first 5 minutes of 9 minutes if you have not seen this. Part 10 of a twelve part series on the Obama Deception. This is why we do not have to hire police.
I'm sure the uniforms will be brown.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLGErX_uSa8&feature=relmfu
Anonymous said...
A call to 311 takes 8 minutes for someone to pickup and then hangup on you without speaking.
Great job callback!
6/28/2012 12:27:00 AM
What do you think is going to happen come next year when the department depleats / forces into retirement all those at 311 that are on limited duty.
All they are going to have left over there are the crazies and the criminials. Certainly not enough to man a watch.
Hats off to Tracy Ladner.
>>>Anonymous said...
As our criminal justice system fails, another will take its place.
This is how criminal gangs gain a foothold in society. Your daughter gets raped and the police/courts/prison system can't provide justice.....go see the local gangster.
I don't think we want to go there.
6/28/2012 02:02:00 AM<<<
Do you recall the opening scene in the movie,
THE GODFATHER.
The first line, by the outraged father, an undertaker by trade is, "I believe in America."
One of the reasons that movie was so popular was and still is the idea of a form of real justice when the legitimate form is either undermanned or corrupted.
Off Topic…
Here is a thought, be ready for what might come if George Zimmerman is acquitted. The South and West Sides might react like L.A. did after those cops were acquitted in the Rodney King resisted arrest so he got his ass beat case.
Ok, well obviously some dicks are busier than others. As I sit in the area handling case after case, theirs a dick that has been on a personal call since she walked in this AM. Yes I am sure it is personal, she talks loud enough for everyone to aggravate people trying to get work done. How the supervisors have let her get away with this is beyond me. Have never seen work of any kind done by this useless piece of work. Maybe she should be part of a COMPSTAT meeting!
Forgot to mention, the last post is also Area Central!
Lets face the truth : most property crimes haves been suspended with little or no work for at least 40 years, and I can go back that far in the detectives. There is pressure to clear homicides and armed robberies and little else. If your wallet is taken and someone uses your credit cards you get a letter and the case is closed. Try to get the detectives to take a case, even if you can identify the person using your credit card and they will not. Try that in the suburbs, or most suburbs, and that person will be arrested.
Can we suspend murders now? Awesome
What is a Detective? At The rate they are leaving by next year there will be 50 in Area 3 oops North.
It's ten days , relax
Im a detective, and I get about 10-15 handouts a day. I'll be glad to suspend them all! Should take about 20 minutes every day, then out to Starbucks for coffee and then a 3 hour lunch. Thanks Supt!
OT comment about COMP STAT meeting today at HQ. Witnessed a brutal meeting today with threats being made to chop off the head of Chief Williams. The threat came from Wysinger?? Al has been poisened by the KOOL-AID.
Looks like McCarthy is out come August 1st. Go to the bank with this one. 9.5 is not happy with the slaughter on the streets of Chicago. Sorry Mr. Mayor you need to start hiring now and pray it does not get worse before it gets better.
If you guys don't like the detective division you can come back and work the watch, any late car you want, we can use all the help we can get. I think after one period, you would love to go back to the detective division handouts.
Anonymous said...
Garry also had IAD watching guys from Area 1 with do nothing spots (homicide filing?) to exploit the misuse of manpower .
6/28/2012 07:59:00 AM
They ought to go to the new FCU--at least one det hasn't got any jobs since getting there. And oh yeah, what about the FOP guy JC, who it was found never did anything on any of his cases? Didn't come out till he got laid up. Knew nothing about FCrimes, but got assigned to a task force in front of people who had been there for years. Go figure! Yeah, this job is legit.
"You are only as good as your last envelope." Chief Williams does a very good job reducing the violence in 7 and 11. 3 goes up for grabs and the Chief is told that he is on the chopping block.
Helms is in way over her head. Helms needs to be re assigned to a CAPS position. Leo is going to be put in 3.
What a way to get rid of your evidence. If only the D.C. Sniper was here during a city of chicago gun turn-in. You want a gun destroyed, just turn it in at the city of chicago's gun turn in, no questions asked. They are destorying all firearms without a forensic work up this time. This is the first time in the history of the gun turn-in. I heard there is NO MAN-POWER! or GIRL POWER!
Nice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Great news for Area One. errr Central. We get 60% of the cases, instead of a 3 way split. Move the X ! Now you see it, now you don't !
Fly on the Wall said...
Im a detective, and I get about 10-15 handouts a day. I'll be glad to suspend them all! Should take about 20 minutes every day, then out to Starbucks for coffee and then a 3 hour lunch. Thanks Supt!
What has changed ?
Area Central obviously has a disgruntled jagoff. FYI every area has someone assigned doing felony and homicide files. It's called record and document keeping because of our judicial system.The areas have twice the amount of work to do because of the merge.
Stop bitching and being a whining busy-body about who is talking on the phone, who does this and who does that and blah, blah, blah... if you don't like it,put in a PAR and leave. In the meantime, STFU.
I remember when CHRIS came about they said it would be "one button" to suspend a case - HA - and they said it would be paperless too - DOUBLE HA
Arrest report used to be one page - now they are five - triple HA
HAHAHAHAHAH!
Anonymous said...
"GUN TURN-IN"
Destroy all the guns. NO forensic work done this time. This will be the first time that forensics are not getting involved with the work up of the gun turn in.
We are still looking for the guns that killed Oficer Michael Bailey, Officer Jose Vazquez and Det. Robert Soto.
If found. The gun desk can trace the guns to possible suspects who purchased the guns. Or all types of possibles. Victims might have possible leads. Names on who might of burglarized the apartments and took the guns. Officers murdered. Mc Jersey is sure coming up with more new strategies. Leave the dead crimes dead. How about solving homicides. Maybe the guns come back to our suspects and now we can get charges approved.
The no questions asked were just for the turn in. NOT for other crimes connected with these guns.
My SGT said, they don't want to give us any possible leads or forensic help. What about the new gun unit starting up. What will they do. If we don't get witness or video. Forget it. Sad. I just hope its not true.
AREA CENTRAL
6/25/2012 02:17:00 AM
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I heard the same thing. Just destroy them.
This is like the Superman comic book. It is truly bizarro-land.
All the screw-ups get rewarded. The guys that actually care and are trying to do the best job they can get vilified and are treated like lepers.
And don't EVER do your job and come to management with a job-related issue. All you're told is "Stop your whining,I don't want to hear it".
Well,pretty soon all they're going to hear is the sound of that PAR form hitting their desk. Bye,Bye, idiots.
6/25/2012 07:50:00 AM
===heard the same thing
Where's the media on this?
What if we threw out 5,000 rape kits w/o testing them? The liberals woud go into a tizzy ....
Penny-pinching fucks
this is actually a good policy for most cases. there are some exceptions here and there, but there are limited resources and not spending those scarce resources on low priority and low probability cases is just good sense.
6/28/2012 05:39:00 AM
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it is a great idea ... most burglaries have no witnesses and aren't going to be solved anyway ... period. If there is something to go on on a burgary, I personally enthusiastically follow-up - it is a good deal putting a burglar in jail. But, truth be told ... most are just "came home ... saw my door kicked in." Burglaries are tough, but as they say - it is what it is. It would be a real timesaver to not have to waste time following up on dead enders. Much rather spend my time on something that results in court time anyhow. So, I agree, NYPD does it right on this one.
Anonymous said...
This new policy is so stupid is beyond contempt. I usually take the month that we had to work on my cases. It is a lot easier to work a case in a month than to work a case in five days. Now I see why Mc thinks that we have too many Detectives. Once I suspend a case, I rarely go back to it. Especially now that we have less space for files at the Area. You are correct SCC, we will just suspend our cases and will not look back. This Police Department is going from bad to worse. Out of sight, out of mind.
6/28/2012 12:55:00 PM
It used to be 30 days, correct?
Hilarious the Area 1 guys trying to justify and defend their inside do nothing spot. You are a man in your 30's who is scared to work the street and spent his whole career in 020. These spots were created for light duty Detectives and people getting ready to retire.
Hey Mother Fuckers, It is Area One, has been since they closed 39th street back in my day, and it always will be, Area Central my ass, Fuck off you prima donna ass hats from Area 5, you Area 4 guys are, and, always will be ok with us, but these no time in the division sissy's from Area 5, get in line and pay your dues, you have a lot to learn,
A/1, No Death No Service
Anonymous said...
This new policy is so stupid is beyond contempt. I usually take the month that we had to work on my cases. It is a lot easier to work a case in a month than to work a case in five days. Now I see why Mc thinks that we have too many Detectives. Once I suspend a case, I rarely go back to it. Especially now that we have less space for files at the Area. You are correct SCC, we will just suspend our cases and will not look back. This Police Department is going from bad to worse. Out of sight, out of mind.
6/28/2012 12:55:00 PM
It used to be 30 days, correct?
6/29/2012 06:55:00 AM
I was in Area One in 1997 and the standing order was a first progress report had to be in within five days. This is a big nothing, people.
Every few years, they put it on paper again. No big deal. No one is saying 'close it within five days'. Just get a lousy progress report in within five days.
I just pissed my pants at the A1 no death, no service line. Always gave me a chuckle when calling in for a notification
If it was a gold-star that was the victim of one of those "low-priority" property crimes, the Crime Lab would be called out and the Det's phones would be ringing off the hook.
If it was a gold-star that was the victim of one of those "low-priority" property crimes, the Crime Lab would be called out and the Det's phones would be ringing off the hook.
6/30/2012 04:02:00 PM
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Oh, you mean like when McShortTimer's daughter got her cell phone taken?
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