Thursday, February 07, 2013

Negotiations Begin

  • Chicago Police officers are demanding a 12 percent pay raise over two years, a reduction in health-care contributions and a $3,000-a-year residency stipend to compensate them for being forced to live and send their kids to school in the city.
After the first installment of our tax bill hit, a stipend doesn't sound bad. It's a pie-in-the-sky demand, but it sounds good. 12% sounds good, too. Especially after the FOP failed to send the required letter last year for timely negotiations meaning we've all been working the last eight months (and four more to go) with zero-chance of retro pay. Rahm isn't going to part with money any time soon.
  • The Fraternal Order of Police also wants to cut in half — from 20 percent to 10 percent — the share of promotions based on merit and change the name from “merit” — which, they claim, makes a political process sound apolitical — to “management” or “administrative” promotions.
A good idea that ought to be applied across the board.
  • To prevent the steady stream of retirements from further depleting the ranks, the union wants Supt. Garry McCarthy to establish “minimum staffing levels” and forward them to the union on a quarterly basis.
The best idea so far. Stop messing with everyone's time off. And if you can find someone to work a day for you, make it happen in a timely manner instead of this under-72-hour rush to the finish line we have currently.
  • The Police Department equivalent of clunkers — squad cars and other vehicles with more than 90,000 miles on the odometer — would be mandatorily retired from patrol, under the union’s proposal. The FOP proposal also states that the city “must provide adequate heating, hot water, air-conditioning and sanitary facilities.”
That would kill two-thirds of the fleet in short order. Foot patrols might be exactly what McNutJob wants. How about all cars over 90,000 miles are given to the exempts and anything left over is saved for administrative staff and HQ dollies? Smell and all.

As to the "adequate heating, hot water, air-conditioning and sanitary facilities," the City would have to close at least five stations overnight and another three within three years. And Homan Square would be condemned.

Here comes more of Fran Spielman's bias:
  • Costly income supplements that Mayor Rahm Emanuel has been urged to eliminate would increase under the union’s plan — to $3,620 a year in 2014 for duty availability pay and $2,100 for the annual uniform allowance.  
And although this will never see the light of day because Rahm doesn't want it to and the media is in Rahm's pocket, those "costly" items were accepted in lieu of pay raises decades ago. We sacrificed extensively for the City to save them, literally, what would have been BILLIONS of dollars in salary and pension obligations - a pension that is threatened by Rahm at this very moment. If our predecessors had known what Rahm was doing today, they may have demanded the pay raises up front instead of what they got.
  • In 2005, an arbitrator gave police a 15.5 percent pay raise over four years in exchange for a 33 percent increase in officers’ contributions to health insurance.

    The FOP now wants to reduce those contributions — from 1.29 percent to 1 percent of an officer’s paycheck for single coverage and from 2.47 percent to 2 percent for families. But the union is offering an incentive plan to help the city reduce its sick pay costs.

    Police officers who stay off the medical rolls would get a $1,500 bonus for two years without sick time not related to on-duty injuries, $4,000 for five straight years and $5,000 for 10 years without taking medical leave.

Interesting. Rahm isn't going to go for the insurance givebacks, but a bonus for not using the medical instead of the City's current desire to eliminate it once and for all - very interesting. But that math isn't going to fly.

Wage compression and time-due sellback are on the table. And a few things that will be the subject of more than a few comments:
  • A generous [emphasis added to show Fran's ball-licking bias - SCC] sick leave policy that allows officers to take up to 365 days off every two years would be changed to include full pay and benefits for 12 months over a four-year period.

    City Hall wants the right to order hair tests as well as urine tests. Supplementary employment would have to be cleared with the city in writing, capped at 20 hours a week and cut off within four hours of the start of an officer’s tour of duty.

    The city would be free to use disciplinary information in “not sustained” files alleging criminal conduct, excessive force or verbal abuse in future disciplinary proceedings against an officer for a period of seven years after the alleged incident.

    Effective July 1, sustained files “shall be maintained for the duration of an officer’s career and may be used against the officer for any appropriate purpose,” the city’s proposal states.

The Medical issue is going to be a battle - or it better be. How about cracking down on the abusers? We all know who they are. The city call already order hair tests. Supplementary employment shouldn't be a concern unless it interferes with your regular job - show us cause. And using "not sustained" files? They're fucking nuts. You can't introduce previous convictions at someone's trial lest it bias a jury. You can only bring that up at sentencing. The city not only wants to bring up your "sustained" cases, they want to bring up unproven, baseless accusations that may not even have a signed affidavit.

Hold on boys and girls.

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239 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hair tests? Are you kidding me. They can find THC in the hair of mummies. Another reason I'm glad to be retired.

2/07/2013 09:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Geez SCC, I'm sure a lot of people would agree with me. You do such a great job...is there somewhere we can contribute to compensate you for your time and effort?

2/07/2013 09:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You want to limit my supplemental employment to 20 hours? No problem! That must mean you're lifting the residency requirement! You see, I couldn't afford to buy a house for my family in an area with acceptable schools, so now my kids have to go to private school. It's VERY expensive. My side jobs (plural) are what pay for that school. So I will either move to the burbs where there are good schools or you can pay for my kids' tuition and I will stay here. It runs around $12,000 a year and will be about $20,000 a year when they hit high school. Whew! What a weight off my shoulders this will be. And it sure will be nice to have all of that free time now.

2/07/2013 09:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Looks good on paper, but with Rahm in office will be lucky to walk out these next negotiations with our shirts on are backs. Let's see if Mike S can walk the walk

2/07/2013 09:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

how about officers with 20 years on should have weekends off.

2/07/2013 09:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

how mileage pay for being sent to district more than 15 miles from your residence after being disbanded from a unit.

2/07/2013 09:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It just goes to show you how the public and the media feel about first responders. You would think in today's crime climate they would stand behind us and print something positive about the job we do. No wonder very few want to take the police. It's sad. Thanks for caring about us media. Get ready for arbitration.

2/07/2013 09:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If that asshole shields forgot to send a letter and is screwing me out of a retro check I'm gonna sue his ass personally. I won't sue the union just him personally. I have little doubt he did it on purpose.

2/07/2013 09:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

how about after a ppo get off probation in your area you can bid for their spot,its unfair to officers with over 10 years when new officers get better spots than them out of academy.

2/07/2013 09:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

selling back hours could help pay private school tuition for your kids.

2/07/2013 09:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

how about midnight shift extra pay?

2/07/2013 09:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

how about furlo's by watch?

2/07/2013 09:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

bring back 10 hours day for po's.

2/07/2013 09:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is that NO retro pay really true?

2/07/2013 09:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

how about better medical,dental and vision care.

2/07/2013 09:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No back pay????? Please clarify if this is 100% true........ Mike shields has some explaining to do!

2/07/2013 09:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

how about the city and officer split the cost of sending your kid to private middle and high schools?

2/07/2013 09:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, I have to agree with you that the cities proposals seem far out and unfair. But, this is a job and they probably have the right to determine what the job rules are. They just might get away with it, no matter how unfair it may be.

2/07/2013 09:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

how about officers that work inside have to wear pink jumps suits with bunny ears so the police station will be more child friendly.

2/07/2013 09:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I want to know which RAT unit rep handed over the proposals to the Scum Times. It wasnt anyone on the citys side cuz they didnt have our "side by side comparison". All these assholes did was bitch and moan that they felt they were being kept out of the loop with the contract talks progress. And when theyre treated as adults and welcomed into / brought up to speed on the process, they hand over the secrets to the enemy. I AM A UNIT REP AND I TOOK SERIOUSLY AND UNDERSTAND HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO NOT HAVE WHAT THE FOP ENTRUSTED US WITH LEAKED TO THE PUBLIC AND ESPECIALLY THE MEDIA. This is a prime example of why some things are better left unsaid or kept mum until the right time. Now here you have the public given more ammo to use against us. I can't wait to see what the Arbitrator is gonna stick us with this go around. This comment and the response to it from the other day pretty much sums up uneducated people sticking their noses into business where they don't have any place, in this instance contract talks:


Anonymous said...
OT With the city and our union negotiating our contract right nowTime to march...If a march is planed do tactically. Do it where and when Obama visits, or do it at a major event or major trade show. We need the most exposure and national attention, and that is how you get it, otherwise we are ignored. Don't forget Rahm controls the media. Plan this event with thought like the teachers. They got what they asked for and then some. Our unions should put some work into a march; this is when they finally earn their money. Our unions Reps. do nothing. Plan it like they plan the golf outings or corn beef dinners. We should have our bagpipes and involve our Social organizations.

2/06/2013 03:01:00 AM

Says the moron who has never negotiated anything more complicated than an icy flight of stairs.

You're obviously outta touch with reality and how things work in the real world. Here's a hint, jackass: teachers can strike. CPD cannot. Please draw some kind of semi-educated and logical conclusions from this one big fact and see why a march to try and embarrass Rahm isn't the be all, end all cure to getting a good contract.

You haven't a fucking clue what kind of work and the amount of time and research that goes into contract negotiations, son. He'll, I'd bet you're one of the 90+% of the goofs on this job that never attend FOP meetings, but will tell coworkers that you can't wait to get this regime out once their "four year term" concludes.

Sit back and let the educated adults - the ones who have more than a minute on the job - handle the big boy stuff. "Plan it like the golf outings or corn beef (it's cornED beef, dumbass) dinners", he says.

Now go look in the mirror for instantaneous confirmation of why this job is in the toilet, kid. And then go blow your bagpipe in front of City Hall and see if that persuades the mayor to agree to the 6% yearly raise we're asking for.

Asshat.

2/07/2013 09:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

how about a free tank of gas every month.

2/07/2013 09:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I really like the merit stuff.


Hey, guess what? The military has ZERO merit, and blacks do just fine.


What's the difference?

2/07/2013 09:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why don't we ask to be ask for the following as bargaining chips; in most incidents ask to indemnify PO's from punitive costs do to city's lack of good defenses in civil suits, get rid of residency (we can't afford to live in city and schools suck), lower merit promotions, have all tests graded a few hours after tests taken (put up lists day of tests), shorten investigations of wrong doing etc........ How about it FOP!!!!!!!!!

2/07/2013 09:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

how about 1st watch get a extra hr of c.e time for every day work.

2/07/2013 09:55:00 AM  
Anonymous Joe Grammy said...

Message to FOP :

STAND YOUR GROUND !

Look at other big city contractural awards and go from there.

Most of us have worked our asses off this past year doing more with less and we deserve to be compensated.

Dont let the mayor and his cronies win

Hey FOP stand your ground and kick some ass

and remember we are the ones that ratify this contract

Do not settle !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2/07/2013 09:55:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

But remember the city has your all you go getters.

2/07/2013 10:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

how does that make sense to use unsustained allegations against an officer? these scumbag asshole shitbirds make false accusations on officers for a living. that should never fly let alone get off the fucking ground.

2/07/2013 10:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry I max out deffered comp because I am sick and tired about hearing about my pension being fucking cut all the time. I work more than 20 hours a week for side jobs. I don't hit the medical, I come in do a good jobs and sgts don't have to bail me out on c.r.'s because I don't get them. Can you imagine if you have a wife and kids and she lost her job? Sorry kids have to eat cat food because daddy can only work 20 hours a week on side jobs! Fuck off!!!

2/07/2013 10:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

City of Champaign has offered 5k to any PO who moves INTO the city and stays for 3 yrs.

No takers. go figure.

2/07/2013 10:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A certainty like taxes and death: our current and any future contract "negotiation" until the end of the world shalt always go to arbitration.

If the city won't get off it's ass and negotiate a new contract with FLOP before the old one expires, change our contract and automatically go to arbitration. Effective the day our contract expires, give the membership an annual and pensionable COLA (4% or the rate of inflation, whichever is greater) at the start of each year until the contract is resolved.

F*ck rahm and the daley horse he rode in on.

2/07/2013 10:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't know why the FOP didn't take the city/state to court years ago to fight this archaic residency requirement. There is no way in hell that would stand up in court. If an officer can make it to work everyday on time, why should it matter where the heck he lives. I believe the union won't press the issue b/c they most likely own houses in areas that they feel would go down hill if residency lifted.

2/07/2013 11:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

when do we march? Lets march once or twice a week, everyweek! I'll be there as much as I can. We work in the most dangerous city in the US, deal with the publics and the departments bullshit 24/7, risk our lives, miss holiday functions, get minimal sleep, work long hours, court-work-late arrests, stress, and much more and all they do each and every time the contract is up is shit on all of us!!!!

2/07/2013 11:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about for residency they do a gradual release.
For instance, once an officer has hit 10 years on the job, then the officer is allowed to live outside the city. That way the city still gets new officers living in the city and the officers are able to gradually move out to areas where they actually want to live.

2/07/2013 11:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I like the idea of getting something in return for not going on the medical. I haven't been on the medical in years and over 10 years i've been on there for a total of 8 days. My wife gets 12 sick days a year that she can use or sell back at the end of the year. At that rate the city would owe me 112 sick days by now. The city knows they area making out with this medical deal b/c 95% of the dept is just like me. Barely uses the thing.
There are 5% that use it as a day off whenever they feel like it. How to control and deal with that select minority is the real question.

2/07/2013 11:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Go read the comments by the citizenry on the sun times article about this. It will never make your want to do an ounce of proactive police work for anyone. I say the fop files a class action lawsuit about the unconstitutionally of the residency clause. I'm pretty sure we would win. The unions in Cleveland Ohio threatened to do this and the city caved and the city workers no longer have to live in that shithole.

2/07/2013 11:29:00 AM  
Anonymous The Box Chevy Phantom said...

Dirty Bastards...

The scum-times already slid this article behind their now famous pay-wall...

Those who control the narrative can dictate the pace and content of the discussion.

We find it quite ironic that these same people rolling around on the ground, chewing their tongues in outrage over ANYTHING viewed as an upside for The Policeman, are the SAME PEOPLE who gave the previous mayoral administration a free pass, air & opportunity to STEAL an estimated $12 Billion to $15 Billion in taxpayer treasure.

>Crickets<

Heh... But they're very energetic in saying "fuck you Coppers and your families!"

Heh... The whole of Northern Illinois would be desert, if every mature tree were turned into scaffolding for the well deserved group dangle of the criminal-political media apparatus driving the Civil War against First Responders in this town.

Based on the comments we DID see in the s/t, the low information and willfully uninformed respondents are carrying the day.

"Those greedy cops..."

"They knew what they signed up for..."

"Worst recession in history and they're demanding more!"

The article itself was chock full of intentional mis-statements, greasy & slippery City Hall-speak and lies of omission.

The public IS NOT INTERESTED in the political and media powers doing right by The Police in these difficult times.

The public wants very much to see The Policeman "punished" for the fear, uncertainty and insecurity in their lives while giving the criminal-political media cabal a free pass.

The Policeman is viewed/perceived as somehow having an undeserved extra piece of chicken in his pot...

No mention of the peril, horror, sorrow and aggravation The Policeman has to endure to put that "extra" piece of chicken in the pot.

A Shit-Talker's Holiday ensues...

"Nobody made you sign up, Copper! If you don't like it, then quit already! We'll do your job for half, no medical, no pension and no complaining!"

Don't you worry Shit-Talkers... Coppers ARE quitting (retiring)... In DROVES!

Shit-Talkers just talking shit for shit's sake when even in HARD TIMES people aren't lining up 40K deep to sign up for CPD...

Like they used to...

Gee... We wonder what CHANGED?

Perhaps the realization that it's become a shit-doo-doo job in a shit-doo-doo city run by "the smartest" dolts ever assembled in the history of municipal governance, while dealing with shit-doo-doo people living a dead-end, death-decay-destruction worshipping, blissfully ignorant, throw-away existence?

The Police Are The Enemy.

The Police are doing it all wrong...

Very well then...

We figure it would be ultimately pleasing to the Shit-Talkers if The Policeman stood aside and let nature take it's course.

*Frantic Waving by Shit-Talkers - "NO NO NO! That's NOT what we meant! Stop being mean and scaring us like that!"*

Care to respond, Shit-Talkers?

Heh... Even the Shit-Talkers know this job has intentionally been destroyed.

They know in their shriveled little hearts, The Policeman was NOT the major actor in this.

They also know that it's far beyond The Policeman to fix.

Heh... *Snort of Contempt*

The Police Are The Enemy Eh?

Shit-Talkers are abundantly clear about whe they see as allies.

"We want you Cops to just go away!"

Shit-Talkers... They sleep so sweet and child-like, don't they?

Yeah... Negotiations Begin.

2/07/2013 11:46:00 AM  
Blogger Just A City Worker said...

Might as well demand back the Right to Strike.

This will OfC go to arbitration..

Someone start a collection to buy the arbitrator.

2/07/2013 11:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can we continue to wear baseball caps?

2/07/2013 11:56:00 AM  
Blogger The Keesing Bandit said...

I am holding on.... But I can't tell you what I am holding on to.

Now, Kees me you fool!!!!

2/07/2013 12:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

New award ribbon for generating 1000 or more event numbers within a 12 month period. Can be worn next to the perfect attendance ribbon.

2/07/2013 12:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The pension is dead. You'd better be contributing to your 457 retirement fund or you will be here until age 63.

2/07/2013 01:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Saying that the City will never go for our proposals and that the math does not add up does not help matters. It hurts us. SCC, you are compromising our negotiating position.

2/07/2013 01:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The games have begun. Rahm's getting a woody.

2/07/2013 01:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Off the topic: when is the next Sgt class? I heard maybe late feb or mar?

2/07/2013 02:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Still got time to lateral off the sinking ship, just not sure where to?! The future is NOT bright in this Schitty!

2/07/2013 02:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

how about ...fuck fran!

2/07/2013 02:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I read in the slum times about capping secondary employment to 20hrs. a week and not permitting officers to work within a 4hr. window before their tour of duty. This is b.s. I have worked for the board of ed. for the past 13 yrs. and it is vital to my family's financial health for me to work. Why should the dept. get to choose when, where and how I will spend my time working a viable job? Pay us more and stop stripping our benefits and maybe I wouldn't have to work a side job for the past 13 yrs. Then on top of that, I have to register with the city that I work for the board of ed. as a secondary job. What gives? This is a bad idea that will affect @ 700 p.o.'s that work security for the board. This will also screw us financially. This is not good at all. This dept. keeps getting more and more screwed up.

2/07/2013 02:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So long as I'm not doing anything illegal, the city can't control my life when I'm not at work. If I'm a piano teacher and I start at 1400 hours, I can't give a lesson at noon? Go fuck yourselves. Raising a family is expensive and some people work part time jobs. If I'm not late or sick it's none of your business.

2/07/2013 02:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is exactly how it should be done. The only way to deal with a bully ( Rahm ) is to be a bully. Thats how Karen Lewis did it for the teachers.

2/07/2013 03:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Give up nothing, fight for better health care and demand pensions be brought up to levels acceptable to sustain its members. It's not hard.
The budget has money for new hires, so hire people without taking credit for it.
WTF
I want to retire now!

2/07/2013 03:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And still nothing on fop website. Nice that members have to find out through scum times. If this is the best fop could do we are screwed.

2/07/2013 04:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Heh...

Those who happily make war against The Police (as shown by the comments in the s/t) will find that there will be no peace to be had with the rampant criminal element burning this city to a crisp.

All these tongues wagging about how much the "Greedy Cops" are going to cost and not a peep of protest about the Billions stolen by Daley Inc. and Rahm & Co.

Pennies on the dollar of what was stolen from the taxpayers...

Yet these people are howling for the "false economy" of snatching pennies off a Copper's dinner table to satisfy their blood-lust for "somebody" to be punished for "something."

The Policeman is the most visible agent of municipal government.

Who better suited for punishment?

Yup... Those "Greedy Cops" are the ones who made a dozen and a half families of inbred, degenerate, drunken louts from Bridgeport multi-millionaires on the tax-payer dime over the last 100 years...

These fools doing all the screaming in the comments section of this article are the low information public we have just cause to loathe as they are weak-minded enough to fall wholesale for Rahm al Ghoul's media propaganda.

You'll have better luck finding "Fair and balanced" up a dead whore's ass...

"GAAHH! That's why we hate you COPS! You're so angry, hateful, mean and cynical!"

Why yes... Thank You...

The world needs large, hostile and unfriendly men willing to attend to the mean nasty business of Policing.

All others stand around jaw-jacking in Rahm generated mock outrage about the hot, smoking "opinion" stinking and burning a hole in the seats of their pants...

Something about the concerns of The Police that makes people lose their fucking minds.

2/07/2013 04:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Big Changes Coming Friday said...

I heard from a reliable source that the arbitrator is going to change sick days to 365 over four years abd the number of holidays will be cut in half and include: New Years Day, Martin Luther King Day, Lincoln's Birthday, Memorial Day, Gay Pride Day and Labor Day. Inspectors will be removed from the ranks and the position will be taken over by 5 civilians. Rumor has it Cynthia Brimm will be named Chief Inspector.

2/07/2013 04:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Both the city and the FOP can ask for anything they want. What both sides are able to come to an agreement on is something else.

Given the city's bleak financial picture, I would not hold out much hope.

2/07/2013 04:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If the city has $50 million to build a park and name it after the dead wife of an crooked, asshole ex mayor of chicago, they have enough money to pay the police.

2/07/2013 04:20:00 PM  
Blogger chitownsfinest said...

I'd be happy as a pig in shit taking every one of those $ proposals and ill drive the car with over 100,000 miles everyday and accept the crappy facilities. The residency stipend sounds great too but Id be even happier letting them keep that and being able to leave the city! I like the FOp's proposal. Only thing Id change would be figuring a larger pay raise over 4 years instead of 2. Lock them in for the longest possible amount of time.

2/07/2013 04:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

10 hour days!!!! 10 hour days!!!!

2/07/2013 04:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about, a baby furlough day is a f'in day, and our furlough is our furlough, not hours

2/07/2013 04:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If the arbitrator is Benn again, we're screwed and the fix is in.

2/07/2013 04:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

1)they will front load the raise so the letter that was not sent will therefore cancel out any 6% raise.

2)they better bring residency to the table if they plan on cutting our side jobs. That's fucked up!

3)start opening up spaces in better districts! Why should I be stuck in a shit hole district when officers come out of the academy getting prime spots in nice districts?

2/07/2013 04:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Class action law suit against FOP for forgetting letter that cost us retro? Just a thought

2/07/2013 04:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just fund the pension and take care of medical!

2/07/2013 04:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey scc,
Ex LAPD officer declares war on department corruption
Included is his statement
http://hiphopandpolitics.wordpress.com/2013/02/07/fired-lapd-officer-shoots-3-fellow-cops-killing-one-releases-manifesto-exposing-corruption/

2/07/2013 04:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The public hates us were fu&@! Rham will spit Mikey out.

2/07/2013 05:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

For you hair gels who believe that we didn`t take the city to court over residency, think again. In the early 70`s the C.O.P. (Confederation of Police) did it and of course we lost.

2/07/2013 05:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

maybe, furloughs selected by watch (gives a younger person a better "chance" at a "better" furlough), and, duty availability based on watch, i.e., 5% of base pay for 3rd watch, 10% of base for midnights (prorated for those who change shifts mid-year).....

2/07/2013 05:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I must agree with any officer with 20 years should be given the option of weekends off. Also please show respect to those of us who have managed not to abuse the medical after 20 years of service. Why not consider some type of monetary reward for this accomplishment. Lastly there should not be any promotion consideration given to anyone with less than 10 years on this job. We have plenty of poor supervisors out there who lack common sense and the ability to lead.

2/07/2013 05:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I also congratulate the FOP for asking for D2A pay for FTOs and D2 pay for Narcotic and SWAT officers.

All of these officers deserve it.

Lets see if the City will go for it in the final contract.

Keep up the good work Mike and company at the FOP.

2/07/2013 05:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gypsies, tramps and thieves. That's all you guys are. Winers, diners and beggars in blue and speaking of blue. That blue code of silence that all the lawyers are talking about got to stop you got to be like LAWYERS always telling the truth to the ass kissing corrupt judges, even the crazy ones. HA, HA, Man, I love retirment!!!!!

2/07/2013 05:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey SCC....
Let's try and see who drives around in a squad with the most mileage. They could take a cell pic of the odometer. The car I had today had 104,000 miles. I bet there are cars way higher.

2/07/2013 05:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

>>>>>how mileage pay for being sent to >>>>>district more than 15 miles from >>>>>your residence after being > disbanded from a unit.

-How did that whole "Volunteering- thing" work out for you, kid? Stick with your contract.

2/07/2013 05:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
If the city has $50 million to build a park and name it after the dead wife of an crooked, asshole ex mayor of chicago, they have enough money to pay the police.

2/07/2013 04:20:00 PM

Bingo!

2/07/2013 05:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Come on guys, stop being a bunch of pussies. The city and Rham love you and have your back.

Love,

Al

2/07/2013 05:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If they are so ignorant as to cap secondary employment, then (as a det) they better stop f*cking me (us) work 15,18,20 hours in a row, and then be back to work at our regular starting time. Seriously? F*cking morons. 20 hours a week? There are days we work 20 hours a day. Seriously? It's okay to work 20 hours OT for the city within a couple of days between OT and court, but not a side job? Go f*ck yourselves (city). Take care of the blue shirts first, then start cutting all the middle management do-nothing f*cks. Sorry for the rant. Stay safe all.

2/07/2013 05:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What's the difference if u do 20 hr per week at a side job, court or violence reduction, cta? So if my court and special employment hit 20 hrs, is the city gonna let me blow off traffic court? Dumb asses

2/07/2013 05:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

FOP-As this is my last contract, just do the right thing.

2/07/2013 05:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fop just got slapped like a little girl by Alderman O'Conner... Shields has no clue what he is up against. He screwed over coppers in the pocket personally by not getting in the proper paper work in on time. He cost us money ladies and gentleman. Wake up. You all should be furious that you lost thousands of dollars due to his own ineptness.

2/07/2013 05:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I find it amusing to listen to you guys bitch and say I will do this and I will do that. All you will do is what your told to do by Rahm and the union. Majority of you guys are in such debt and the economy being what it is your stuck deal with and try to plan better financially. I have over 20 yrs on I planned for the worse and I will be fine. I agree the politicians are scum and screwing us but you can't blame them totally our base pay is still way above the median income in Illinois.

2/07/2013 05:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Keep working very hard officers. The city really appreciates your hard work.

2/07/2013 05:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There is NO way the union should agree to letting the city use "not sustained" complaints in hearings. They had better fight this one to the DEATH!!!!

2/07/2013 06:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yet at check off today idiots came in with Parker's and Movers.

2/07/2013 06:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'd be as happy as a pig in shit with the contact proposals, but we re going to reamed again. Sorry Mike, I have no faith in your leadership.

2/07/2013 06:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You can bet your bottom dollar that the aldermen, the mayor, City Clerk and City Treasurer will get a minimum of a 5% raise.

2/07/2013 06:45:00 PM  
Anonymous REFORM NOW! said...

Prioritize, officers and firefighters!

We must spend FIFTY-FIVE MILLION DOLLARS [$55,000,000.00] to commemorate the memory of the grande dame of that rat cocksucker Daley. We desperately need more bike lanes, flower boxes and wrought iron fences.

Privatize! The parking meter "deal" was a stroke of sheer fiscal genius. No-bid contracts are critical to our infrastructure. We don't want to condone graft and corruption.

Let's have "merit" for all promotions and assignments. CLOUT works! It enhances morale and above all, it's "the Chicago Way"! Implementation of "the best and the brightest" personnel policies will only eviscerate our great city. Standardized IQ testing is anathema to our sacred Chicago values.

Stop being whining pussies and don't be greedy! Man up!

Demand a cut in your ill-gotten salaries, pensions and medical benefits. We need more aldermen plus lifetime terms in office for all elected officials unless they're convicted of the mass murders of children. If that were to occur, removal from office and home detention will be mandatory.

Just because the other 49 states have concealed carry for law-abiding citizens doesn't make it right. It's racist vigilantism. Trust us. We've got your backs. It's for the children. The sun now rises in the West. Chicago is the epitome of good government. Freedom is slavery. Yada, yada, yada...

2/07/2013 06:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Class action law suit against FOP for forgetting letter that cost us retro? Just a thought

2/07/2013 04:29:00 PM

++++++++++++++++++++++

Hey Mr lawsuit happy dummy! And then what, are you going to pay yourself damages? YOU ARE the FOP you nitwit. Also, in order for something to qualify as a thought, you have to think first.

2/07/2013 06:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
how about furlo's by watch?

+++++++++++++++

Said the 4 yr guy on midnights. Wait your turn kid.

2/07/2013 06:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Remember the Pension. Please do not " forgive" the city from making the contribution. FOP has done it in the past.

2/07/2013 06:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

how mileage pay for being sent to district more than 15 miles from your residence after being disbanded from a unit.

2/07/2013 09:17:00 AM

****************

Yea, try to run this suggestion past your neighbor in Mt Greenwood who drives to Schaumburg every day to sit in a cubicle. Good luck.

2/07/2013 06:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

how about after a ppo get off probation in your area you can bid for their spot,its unfair to officers with over 10 years when new officers get better spots than them out of academy.

2/07/2013 09:21:00 AM

Finally a good suggestion.

2/07/2013 06:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It just goes to show you how the public and the media feel about first responders.

Exactly, so why are you still knocking yourselves out to make those bs arrests? Give the people the kind of police department they deserve...remember they still need us to keep the wolves at bay. If not let them put on a uniform, strap on a weapon and stand post. Like Jack said, "Either way I don't give a damn what you think your entitled to".

2/07/2013 07:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is all posturing and chest pounding by the FOP to try and deflect attention away from the fact that they royally screwed up. Best thing would be for Shields to resign and let anyone else take over. The kid is in way over his tiny head.

2/07/2013 07:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


when do we march? Lets march once or twice a week, everyweek! I'll be there as much as I can. We work in the most dangerous city in the US, deal with the publics and the departments bullshit 24/7, risk our lives, miss holiday functions, get minimal sleep, work long hours, court-work-late arrests, stress, and much more and all they do each and every time the contract is up is shit on all of us!!!!

*****************

March? Do you think anyone gives a shit if you march? All you'll do is make some other coppers stand in the cold and rain to direct traffic. You want to be heard? Go to a union meeting.

As far as that other stuff, missing family shit, working holidays, going to court? What the fuck did you think you were signing up for? Policing is a 24/7/365 proposition. Yea it's not always fun (especially if someone ends up next to a constant complainer like you) and yes we have to miss some stuff, but that's part of the game. Oh wait, maybe you thought that you would just work 9-5 and be off on weekends? You should have asked some questions before you made the VOLUNTARY life decision to be come a police officer.

I'm 2 yrs retired now after 26 years, 11 in districts and 15 in units, and no matter where I went there were crybabies like you who pissed and moaned about car assignments, he got what I wanted, day off groups, watch assignments etc etc etc. Shut the fuck up and do your job, or at least be grateful to have a job where the bare minimum (or less) will get you paid.

There are some things I miss about the job, but boy listening to disgruntled assholes like you sure isn't one of them. For the sake of everyone around you, give it a rest.

Be safe everybody.

2/07/2013 07:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree with 4:29pm about going after FOP for fucking us on retro. Funny thing is RA at FOP spent 20 mins on the phone with me back in April denying that it was true and saying it's all lies FOP didn't mess up and we will get retro. He claimed the city made up the story. We shall see.

2/07/2013 07:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

fyi all you people put on mandatory medical for running out of 365 limited duty work days well i just found out officers in certain units and districts are way over 365 days but for some reason are still working. oh boy...i smell a an0ther grievance$$$$$$$$.fop shields can u please help..why start something if no one is following????

2/07/2013 07:25:00 PM  
Anonymous CppThis said...

I feel your pain but let's be honest here, any financial concession the city agrees to is going to get foisted on the taxpayers plus some added kickba...err, administrative expenses which will push the state further into a death spiral. No matter which side wins the dispute, more money will flow from the residents of Illinois into the coffers of the guys holding the strings.

2/07/2013 07:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's a bird. It's a plane. It's Residency Man!!

Here we fucking go again.

YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO SELL YOUR HOUSE NUMBNUTS!

YOU WILL PAY EVEN HIGHER TAXES IN WHATEVER SUBURB YOU WANT TO MOVE TO!

You gonna move to Orland and send your kids to Sandburg. Thousands of kids and a rampant drug problem.

Enough already with the residency. These gotta be hair gels living with their parents. Just gotta be.

2/07/2013 07:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
You want to limit my supplemental employment to 20 hours? No problem! That must mean you're lifting the residency requirement! You see, I couldn't afford to buy a house for my family in an area with acceptable schools, so now my kids have to go to private school. It's VERY expensive. My side jobs (plural) are what pay for that school. So I will either move to the burbs where there are good schools or you can pay for my kids' tuition and I will stay here. It runs around $12,000 a year and will be about $20,000 a year when they hit high school. Whew! What a weight off my shoulders this will be. And it sure will be nice to have all of that free time now.

2/07/2013 09:10:00 AM
------------------
It is the same for ALL City workers...not just YOU!

2/07/2013 07:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is that NO retro pay really true?

Guys, give off this retro crap already. Some of you would sell out your own mothers for a retro check. That truly is the least important factor in this contract. Besides, any contract would be back-end loaded to avoid the city the need for much if any retro... quit being stupid if retro is your most important concern

2/07/2013 08:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes . . . . all that and AW and Rahm have your back. they want you start putting your hands on people again . . . .

the kool aid is being drinken by the mayor, the exempts, but who is handing out the kool-aid? is shortshanks still pulling strings?

And have you seen your property tax bill? NOW they want everyone to know what the pension liability is, right there on our tax bills. Is this an underhanded way to get the populace mad at those who pay into the pensions, so that they can try to get the populace behind voting for pension changes??

Meanwhile, the democratic party, which should be renamed the autocratic party, still supports people with mental illness to sit on a courtroom bench in the judge's robes to decide the fates of people and interpret the law.

if you have more than 10 years on but less than 20, can you quit this job and take all your pension contributions with you?

2/07/2013 08:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Agreed, 10 hour days and furlough by watch

2/07/2013 08:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't know why the FOP didn't take the city/state to court years ago to fight this archaic residency requirement. There is no way in hell that would stand up in court. If an officer can make it to work everyday on time, why should it matter where the heck he lives. I believe the union won't press the issue b/c they most likely own houses in areas that they feel would go down hill if residency lifted.

2/07/2013 11:16:00 AM

I know why they don't fight it in court, because it's a STATE FUCKING LAW that is neither in violation of the state constituiton nor subject to collective bargaining. Really...pay attention.

2/07/2013 08:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

once again i would refuse all of those proposals by our fop for the city just to uplift our residency restriction. i think that'd be a win-win because we wouldn't be asking the city for more money and we could leave this shitty city that rahm is further worsening. rahm knows that this city would blow up even more if there were no city workers living here. ha there would be no reason to live in the city. chicago as we know it would take a huge leap into detroit's shadow. common sense should tell rahm to stop fucking with the people who are protecting this city and to take care of the hard-working first responders.

2/07/2013 08:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

90,000 miles??? Really?? The NEWEST ambulances in the fire dept fleet have AT LEAST that, plus. And no new ones on the horizon...

2/07/2013 08:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'll be waiting for my $11500 bonus for never being on the medical.....
Show me the money!

2/07/2013 08:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

per Shackman agreement, pomotional list can only be used for six years. City has started process of making new test and therefore new list in accordance with agreement. They can use current list until september (make sgt classes), they are just figuring out who they really owe/want to make meritorious.

2/07/2013 08:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

anyone who pays attention to our contract talks knows this is all just the beginning stages and we are far from getting anything remotely close to these proposals. and the city will stick it as far up our asses as humanly possible and our fate lies in the hands of an arbitrator. the arbitrator needs to consider those who are stuck living in this city with a family and how unaffordable it is to send their children to a private school because that is the only option for most. believe it or not rahm(you fucking piece of shit) you are not the only one who wants to have their children have the best education possible. i wish everyone in the city knew how big of a hypocrite rahm is when he refused to let his children go to chicago public schools and how he has guns surrounding him and his family constantly yet he wants no one else to be able to afford private schools or be allowed to arm themselves against the rising crime chicago has consistently been bombarded with.

2/07/2013 08:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I say march and do it in a way to get the public on our side. Negations are nothing without leverage and this is leverage. if we do this right the embarrassed city, Rahmfather wont know what hit him The city is negotiating with the upper hand lets take that away from them. We do this right and they will want this contract settled like the teachers. Have some sort of fundraiser after for Goldstar or Memorial Foundatin, afterwards. Its good press and it raises money for Goldstar. Tie it into a corn beef dinner afterwards. Union don’t sit on your asses and let someone else organize this, it your job and its our money. I write this in hopes it will encourage the unions to organize. Now is the time to start! The last march was planned and completed in one week, are you kidding? Remember we need the citizens on our side so every aspect should we weighted with the citizens reaction. It also could educate the public of our pension woes. The city controls those talking points and right now the citizens are against us. They need to be told what its about. My sister who lives in the suburbs told me the other day “you don’t have to worry about anything you got that pension. She is an uninformed voter who believes the media, and that’s whats out there.

2/07/2013 08:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The contract negotiator for FOP should ask the city to show amounts saved on this year's snow removal, the OT cuts at the airports, moneys saved on reduced staffing at 911 & 311. According to the budget --- up to 20 million bucks. Oh yes, let's discover interest earned on those donated Olympic funds that Rhambo kept. That isn't even looking at the Park district yet.

2/07/2013 09:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Speaking of money and stuff. How long exactly did Staples have the police contract for office supplies? One month? Now its Office Depot. But you still can't order paper or toner from them. Those have to go thru Equipment and Supply. anyone want to hazard a guess why??

Better question is why did Staples lose the contract, especially since they were the ones that bought "Diversity Product Solutions" wink wink.

Any one working at E&S have answers??

2/07/2013 09:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about, a baby furlough day is a f'in day, and our furlough is our furlough, not hours

While on the surface most would agree, realize that with the 4 and 2 schedule you are already working less than 2080 hours/year, so you are already coming out ahead. That's why babies are 8 and furlos were converted.

2/07/2013 09:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Now go look in the mirror for instantaneous confirmation of why this job is in the toilet, kid. And then go blow your bagpipe in front of City Hall and see if that persuades the mayor to agree to the 6% yearly raise we're asking for.

Asshat.

2/07/2013 09:41:00 AM
Wow I think you need to talk to a shrink you are seriously stressed.

2/07/2013 09:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

how about lifting residency after 7 yrs,this way the property tax base and value of your home stays intact.

2/07/2013 09:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
So long as I'm not doing anything illegal, the city can't control my life when I'm not at work. If I'm a piano teacher and I start at 1400 hours, I can't give a lesson at noon? Go fuck yourselves. Raising a family is expensive and some people work part time jobs. If I'm not late or sick it's none of your business.

2/07/2013 02:23:00 PM
Sounds like a good and legal arguement, but I would not bet on it. Your employer, that is your full time employer can control the number of hours that you work another job, what type of job you work and probably can prohibit any part time work if they choose to do that , but they would be changing the conditions of your employment and would have to negotiate if that was not a condition when you were hired. It is not out of the picture.

2/07/2013 09:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I don't know why the FOP didn't take the city/state to court years ago to fight this archaic residency requirement. There is no way in hell that would stand up in court. If an officer can make it to work everyday on time, why should it matter where the heck he lives. I believe the union won't press the issue b/c they most likely own houses in areas that they feel would go down hill if residency lifted.

2/07/2013 11:16:00 AM

Wrong again. Residency requirements have been taken to court in other cities, the most notable was Detroit years ago and all the courts sided with the municipalities right to impose residency requirements on their employees. It may be time to revisit this due to the change in economic times and crime conditions in big cities.

2/07/2013 09:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I want to know which RAT unit rep handed over the proposals to the Scum Times. It wasnt anyone on the citys side cuz they didnt have our "side by side comparison". All these assholes did was bitch and moan that they felt they were being kept out of the loop with the contract talks progress. And when theyre treated as adults and welcomed into / brought up to speed on the process, they hand over the secrets to the enemy. I AM A UNIT REP AND I TOOK SERIOUSLY AND UNDERSTAND HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO NOT HAVE WHAT THE FOP ENTRUSTED US WITH LEAKED TO THE PUBLIC AND ESPECIALLY THE MEDIA. This is a prime example of why some things are better left unsaid or kept mum until the right time. Now here you have the public given more ammo to use against us. I can't wait to see what the Arbitrator is gonna stick us with this go around. This comment and the response to it from the other day pretty much sums up uneducated people sticking their noses into business where they don't have any place, in this instance contract talks:

Chill out, Francis!!!!

2/07/2013 09:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Why don't we ask to be ask for the following as bargaining chips; in most incidents ask to indemnify PO's from punitive costs do to city's lack of good defenses in civil suits, get rid of residency (we can't afford to live in city and schools suck), lower merit promotions, have all tests graded a few hours after tests taken (put up lists day of tests), shorten investigations of wrong doing etc........ How about it FOP!!!!!!!!!

Its against the law to indemnify anyone from punitive damages. Nice try though.

2/07/2013 09:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The city was sued over residency in the early 1970's. The plaintiff was Eugene Mannion, a CPD officer who was living in Oak Park. The city residency ordinance was upheld all th way through the Illinois Supreme court. It is completely legal for the city to require it's employees to reside in the city.

The federal courts, you say? The city of Philadelphia had a residency law very similar to Chicago's. Again, in the 1970's, the Philadelphia police union, the FOP I believe, sued the city of Philadelphia in the federal courts, citing the law as being unconstitutional. The City of Philadelphia won , through the appellate level, and the U. S Supreme Court , declined to intervene . That is why the FOP does not sue yhe city over residence.

An old temer.

2/07/2013 09:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am holding on.... But I can't tell you what I am holding on to.

Now, Kees me you fool!!!!

2/07/2013 12:34:00 PM




do we get three guesses?

2/07/2013 09:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The games have begun. Rahm's getting a woody.

2/07/2013 01:45:00 PM



well, isn't that special.

2/07/2013 09:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I heard Mikey also asked for a new bike and a puppy.

2/07/2013 10:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

c'mon, boys and girls.

these 'negative' comments on the scum times hit piece are predominantly not from the 'general public'.

it's obvious, from the common vernacular patterns, that they come from a small crew of rimjob's publicity 'hit squad'.

these squid fuckers do this all the time.

it's their version of the one-two punch combination.

this so-called 'public opinion' means nothing.

it's sole purpose is to give mayor rimjob the 'foundation' for him to claim that the 'public' supports his rimjobbing activities.

the licky dicky media isn't going to ever publish the public's true opinions about our rimjob politicians.

truth isn't their cup of tea.

2/07/2013 10:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Given the city's bleak financial picture, I would not hold out much hope.

2/07/2013 04:12:00 PM




given the city's corrupt financial mismanagement, i would hope you'd pull your head out of your ass, even at this late date in your career.

2/07/2013 10:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

10 hour days!!!! 10 hour days!!!!

2/07/2013 04:22:00 PM




10 hour nights!!!! 10 hour nights!!!!

2/07/2013 10:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ahh internet article comment tough guy's gotta love them. Besides most of those idiots forgot to take there medication.

2/07/2013 10:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Class action law suit against FOP for forgetting letter that cost us retro? Just a thought

2/07/2013 04:29:00 PM



muddy the waters.

launch the smoke and mirrors express.

incite dissent.



that's the ticket.

2/07/2013 10:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

>>>Anonymous said...
how about the city and officer split the cost of sending your kid to private middle and high schools?

2/07/2013 09:34:00 AM<<<

The city will never go for that but they may do what the Teachers' Union does in an unwritten manner.

As I understand it Chicago Public School Teachers can send their kids to any C.P.S. program without waiting in line or passing tests.

Why not us, (and C.F.D.) too.

2/07/2013 10:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Think of this...if it is in fact true that FOP messed up with the paper on the retro pay what will they secretly give up in order for the city to give us retro saving Shields ass with the membership? I see a back room deal because FOP's retro fuck up is way to huge to be ignored.

2/07/2013 10:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't give up a thing for residency.

2/07/2013 10:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

FTOs for D2a all the way.

2/07/2013 10:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I never had a really good pickle.

2/07/2013 10:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yea, try to run this suggestion past your neighbor in Mt Greenwood who drives to Schaumburg every day to sit in a cubicle. Good luck.

2/07/2013 06:53:00 PM

Difference is guy driving to Schaumburg doesn't HAVE to live in the city.

2/07/2013 10:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Class action law suit against FOP for forgetting letter that cost us retro? Just a thought

2/07/2013 04:29:00 PM

++++++++++++++++++++++

Hey Mr lawsuit happy dummy! And then what, are you going to pay yourself damages? YOU ARE the FOP you nitwit. Also, in order for something to qualify as a thought, you have to think first.

Hey kool-aid drinker, slow your roll. It's called insurance.
Fop has insurance and that's where a settlement would come from.

2/07/2013 10:50:00 PM  
Anonymous STOP with the residency bullshit already said...

Residency again, really? Where in the fuck are you going to go? Which suburbs? The animal is there, maybe not in numbers like the City but they are there, and they can easily come and go. Do you really think you're going to move your entire family to a community rural enough to escape most of the crime and political influences that this shithole of a city has? Really? And then have yourself a 90-minute commute each way everyday, sometimes more if you have court. Yea, I know, you'll get an apartment here and go out to the house on your days off. Yea, $800 a month split by a few coppers... just like your old college dorm days. Stop with the residency shit already. Suburban property taxes are extremely high, you'll pay additional for garbage pick up, more for water and sewer than you are paying here, double or even triple your car fuel consumption and that's not including your wife's gas if she works or just wants to come back to the City and visit. Yea, you can move to a neighboring village, something just outside the City and get what? Nothing more than you have now except the spite of denying the City your property tax revenue. But you'll pay it all and more in the suburbs. Now stop being childish and let's put something real, tangible and obtainable on the negotiating table. Fuck off with your residency bullshit, it's foolish, costly and ill-thought-out

2/07/2013 10:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What the city is basically saying when you have 19 years on , they'll pull up a non-sustained beef from 18 years ago & start proceedings to fire you.

2/07/2013 10:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

well first off does the "entry" level starting pay make it enough for officer
starting out to live in the city figure with two kids and not a cubbyhole either otherwise make it like 10-15 miles of city limits
when they see the bill for hair tests that won't last

2/07/2013 10:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I don't hit the medical, I come in do a good jobs and sgts don't have to bail me out on c.r.'s because I don't get them."

You're a veritable bargain for the city. Obviously you never get out of the squad car, that's the only possible way of avoiding cr numbers. It's checkoff, better crawl back under the sgts desk& polish him off before you go home,Gump.

2/07/2013 11:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I’ve made this suggestion for the past twenty plus years for each new contract.

LET MEMBERS PICK THEIR OWN HOLIDAYS WHEN WE PICK OUR FURLOUGS.

I'll take M.L. King's birthdays off because my kids are off from school but not Pulaski Day when they are not. I'd also pick my wife’s or kid’s birthday, graduations and anniversaries.

Working 1st Watch and the day after the actual holiday would be better for you, OK.

Do you want Muslim, Jewish or Gay Holidays that’s fine; just plan it when you pick your furlough.

I'd pick Bud Billiken day and Cinque de Mayo.

Get denied a personal holiday, get paid time-and-a-half and still have Personal Days, Time Due and BFDs to play with.

Never happen, makes too much sense.

2/07/2013 11:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about we all quit, collect unemployment, get on link, get diagnosed with bipolar so we can collect social security?

2/07/2013 11:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about, a baby furlough day is a f'in day, and our furlough is our furlough, not hours

While on the surface most would agree, realize that with the 4 and 2 schedule you are already working less than 2080 hours/year, so you are already coming out ahead. That's why babies are 8 and furlos were converted.

2/07/2013 09:06:00 PM

You're still working 5 out of every 7 days.
8.5 x 5= 42.5
42.5 x 52= 2210
The city will never give you a schedule were you work less than 2080hrs.

2/07/2013 11:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

First, to the person who suggested that the City offer to indemnify officers for punitive damages....the City is not legally allowed to do that. You would have to lobby the State of Illinois to change the law on that issue.

Second, I love police and love what you do and support you. I think you need to hire more people and Rahm is totally dropping the ball on that. You should get proper equipment, newer cars, whatever you need to do your job safely. That being said...

A demand for a 12 percent pay increase and additional stipend to live in the City is ridiculous. Inflation is at minimal levels at the moment. Most workers in the private sector see less than this even in good economic times. I understand it is a beginning bargaining position, but it makes the FOP look greedy and does not help get the public on your side.

The last thing I have to say is how much the complaints about shitty lawyers that represent you irk me. If you want to be represented by better lawyers, have the FOP take that up with the mayor. Most of the lawyers who represent you get paid less than you do with no overtime, duty bonuses, etc. No raises in years. People who love the job and are good at it but have to leave because who can live in the City, pay for law school debt, and support their families on less than a P.O. who has been on the job for 18 months? If things were different, a lot of us who really care about you would still be doing the job.

2/07/2013 11:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I don't know why the FOP didn't take the city/state to court years ago to fight this archaic residency requirement. There is no way in hell that would stand up in court. If an officer can make it to work everyday on time, why should it matter where the heck he lives. I believe the union won't press the issue b/c they most likely own houses in areas that they feel would go down hill if residency lifted.

2/07/2013 11:16:00 AM


I love the way the younger generation thinks that when they get an idea that no one on earth has thought of it before.

The City was taken to court by the membershio over the residency issue. The City won. But it is better to beat your chest on a blog than to research the subject.

Lot's of stuff the hair gels scream about has been in court and has been decided by a judge and/or jury.

But no one has to believe me. Do your own research and learn.

2/08/2013 12:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
The city was sued over residency in the early 1970's. The plaintiff was Eugene Mannion, a CPD officer who was living in Oak Park. The city residency ordinance was upheld all th way through the Illinois Supreme court. It is completely legal for the city to require it's employees to reside in the city.

The federal courts, you say? The city of Philadelphia had a residency law very similar to Chicago's. Again, in the 1970's, the Philadelphia police union, the FOP I believe, sued the city of Philadelphia in the federal courts, citing the law as being unconstitutional. The City of Philadelphia won , through the appellate level, and the U. S Supreme Court , declined to intervene . That is why the FOP does not sue yhe city over residence.

An old temer.

2/07/2013 09:52:00 PM


That same Eugne Mannion eventually did live outside of the City, in one of Illinois Department of Corrections finest penitentiarys. I think the charge was armed robbery. Go figure. I went to high school with one or more of his kids. At OPRF High School.

retired guy

2/08/2013 12:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree with the earlier poster. Quit saying reverse discrimination. It is not "reverse" because you are saying discrimination can only happen to a black person and if it happens to a white then it must be reversed. Take any statement made by these race baiters and if said by a white individual making derogatory statements against blacks would be fired and castrated in the press. No one holds a person of color responsible for racist statements as if only whites can be racists. People need to band together and quit allowing racism to go unchecked in public comments. If its wrong then it's wrong for all colors. Being black or brown does not mean you get a free pass every time you feel like making a racist comment. ALL should be accountable for statements made in public. Can anyone imagine if Gingrich stated on national TV, vote for Rommney because he's white and we need a white man in the white house, yet no one bats an eye when a black democrat elected official says vote for Obama because we need a black man in the White House. Wake up America!! If its racist comments, then it's racist for everyone!!

2/08/2013 12:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

All you officers driving around and not even doing the most basic of law enforcement cry the most about getting what you think you deserve. If we took 80% of you off the street there would almost be no difference in response times.Goahead look around the roll call room.the bosses ask for the most basic stuff like a contact card and you complain. $80'000 a year and you cant even do that. Not all of you but enough to have the citizens say wtf? Do your job. McCarthy is a joke and you don't work for him. You work for you and your family.

2/08/2013 12:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Pat O'Connor didn't slap anyone. This goof was Daley's floor leader and is directly responsible for the parking meter fiasco and other assorted thefts from the public. Pat's wife Barbara is a realtor who , for some strange reason , obtained the exclusive listings on developments, that needed Pat's approval for zoning changes. Barb's name was plastered on signs all over the ward. The O'Connor's got rich, and we got the shaft. Both Pat and Bard should be in prison.

2/08/2013 01:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

10 hour days! !!!!!!!

2/08/2013 01:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"It just goes to show you how the public and the media feel about first responders. You would think in today's crime climate they would stand behind us and print something positive about the job we do."


It took a while for the 9/11-effect to wear off. That, plus the media's doing a great job killing off what's left of it.

What's needed is a hardcore public relations campaign outlining the everyday heroics of CPD, to counteract the small percentage of officers who do wrong.


rb

2/08/2013 01:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"And have you seen your property tax bill? NOW they want everyone to know what the pension liability is, right there on our tax bills. Is this an underhanded way to get the populace mad at those who pay into the pensions, so that they can try to get the populace behind voting for pension changes??"


I hope they print the pension liability information on the ballot come election time.


rb

2/08/2013 01:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"furlough by watch"


They tried that already. They hoped that it would force officers with more time on the job onto third watch, which traditionally has the majority of the least-experienced coppers.

That experiment failed.

There's nothing in it for the city, so don't expect it to happen.


rb

2/08/2013 01:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"She is an uninformed voter who believes the media, and that’s whats out there."


She is one of many. That doesn't mean she's a dummy, either.

It's the nature of propaganda. If you keep reading & hearing the same thing over and over, even if it isn't true, eventually you begin to believe it.

Counteracting their message won't be easy, but it can be done.


Media Influence



1. Keep repeating the lie and it becomes truth.



2. Cover the story once at 3:00 am and technically you fullfilled the OBLIGATION of reporting.



Below is an example of how this works.

Exit poll interviews from 2008 election.

Being overly misinformed does not make one an idiot, it just makes you intentionally misinformed.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm1KOBMg1Y8


rb (thanks, LH!)

2/08/2013 01:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Common sense loses in illinois said...

I don't know why the FOP didn't take the city/state to court years ago to fight this archaic residency requirement. There is no way in hell that would stand up in court. If an officer can make it to work everyday on time, why should it matter where the heck he lives. I believe the union won't press the issue b/c they most likely own houses in areas that they feel would go down hill if residency lifted.

-----a quality of life issue that could hold weight in negotiations but flop refuses to bring up. More political chess. This poster is common sense. Unlike complete morons who run illinois.

2/08/2013 02:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"...Better question is why did Staples lose the contract, especially since they were the ones that bought "Diversity Product Solutions" wink wink.

Any one working at E&S have answers??

2/07/2013 09:04:00 PM"

Staples had the unmitigated gall, the unrealistic expectation, and the intemperate hallucination that they would be paid for the products they provided. The nerve of them, did they think they were a Vanecko?

THAT WAS EASY

2/08/2013 02:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The city getting to pick what your side job will not fly.

Just think a whole bunch of Alderman work as lawyers doing side jobs unethically for the city.

Burke etc etc.

He does excuse himself from voting on anything he receives a fat envelope for.

2/08/2013 03:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Use not sustained files?

What happened to "dont be pussies the mayor has your back?"

2/08/2013 04:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

weekends off for po's with twenty years on the job. because they will have to deal with health problems when they get older from years of working erratic schedules.

2/08/2013 04:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

maybe we can ask for some concessions of residency ...

"If you put a wedding dress in any basement in any residence in Chicago ... you can live anywhere else for any length of time."

What ya think?

2/08/2013 05:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I already have my wife and kids living out of the city. Far, far away. I keep a residence here for me. It's hard, but completely worth it to get them away from this shithole. Two more years.....

2/08/2013 05:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
I don't know why the FOP didn't take the city/state to court years ago to fight this archaic residency requirement. There is no way in hell that would stand up in court. If an officer can make it to work everyday on time, why should it matter where the heck he lives. I believe the union won't press the issue b/c they most likely own houses in areas that they feel would go down hill if residency lifted.

2/07/2013 11:16:00 AM

Wrong again. Residency requirements have been taken to court in other cities, the most notable was Detroit years ago and all the courts sided with the municipalities right to impose residency requirements on their employees. It may be time to revisit this due to the change in economic times and crime conditions in big cities.

2/07/2013 09:44:00 PM

ya I'm sure there was no crime in Detroit when this was decided.

And to make a law unconstitutional, it must be more than irrational (due to economics), it must be ...what's the word I'm looking for .... UNCONSTITIONAL. As you've said, it's not.
next ...

2/08/2013 05:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OT:

here's a link from 2008.


It's NYPD's last contract AGREEMENT. (note I didn't say arbitration agreement, but agreement).

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/new-york-finest-richer-new-police-contract-article-1.317046


2/08/2013 05:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Speaking of money and stuff. How long exactly did Staples have the police contract for office supplies? One month? Now its Office Depot. But you still can't order paper or toner from them. Those have to go thru Equipment and Supply. anyone want to hazard a guess why??

Better question is why did Staples lose the contract, especially since they were the ones that bought "Diversity Product Solutions" wink wink.

Any one working at E&S have answers??

2/07/2013 09:04:00 PM

Office supplies? I'm driving a squad in a shit district with 141,000 miles, three bad tires and some noise coming from the back and you're beefing about office supplies??

2/08/2013 06:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I don't know why the FOP didn't take the city/state to court years ago to fight this archaic residency requirement. There is no way in hell that would stand up in court. If an officer can make it to work everyday on time, why should it matter where the heck he lives. I believe the union won't press the issue b/c they most likely own houses in areas that they feel would go down hill if residency lifted.

2/07/2013 11:16:00 AM

Wrong again. Residency requirements have been taken to court in other cities, the most notable was Detroit years ago and all the courts sided with the municipalities right to impose residency requirements on their employees. It may be time to revisit this due to the change in economic times and crime conditions in big cities.

2/07/2013 09:44:00 PM


Good point! A judge can call out the police for "releasing a women into a lions den", but he's going to force us to live in the den?

2/08/2013 06:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey, guess what? The military has ZERO merit, and blacks do just fine.


What's the difference?


The difference is officers in the military aren't VOTED into their positions.

2/08/2013 06:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is there a specific reason why we are only negotiating for a two year period? Why not four? Or even three, since 2012-2013 was a freebie? Two years is not a good deal for such significant changes. It feels like we are being set up for a one, two punch.

2/08/2013 06:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You know, I am just a citizen but the thought of the police being jacked around in any way just pisses me off. When is EVERYONE going to realize that without you, and I know not all of you get along with each other and some work harder than others, etc. etc., but without the police, this city, state, country, world would be blown up, demolished, nuked, virtually a bloodbath in about three days. I do not understand why the higher-ups don't see this.

2/08/2013 07:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

c'mon FOP... you said these proposals would be on the web.... but we had to read SCC to see what they were. Then on the website you just post a 20 page document and tell us to have at it. Thank the "lawd" for SCC who put the info in a readable format.

2/08/2013 08:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That same Eugne Mannion eventually did live outside of the City, in one of Illinois Department of Corrections finest penitentiarys. I think the charge was armed robbery. Go figure. I went to high school with one or more of his kids. At OPRF High School.

retired guy

2/08/2013 12:18:00 AM
Yes, you are right! You bring back an old memory. There are a few more names out there that have been into hot water over the years that have slipped off of the current public rader. Once guy named "Rick" , a former sergeant now spends time with the mayor and superintendent. How about that??

2/08/2013 08:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Chicago police were indemnified against punitive damages until Harold Washington decided that the city would no longer indemnify us. Against what law? Ever hear of home rule?

2/08/2013 08:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Hey kool-aid drinker, slow your roll. It's called insurance.
Fop has insurance and that's where a settlement would come from.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

You are right, and I thought of that after I posted. The insurance probably would cover it. I'm not a kool aid drinker, just a guy who gets sick of hearing people complain about potentially getting sued, then advocate suing as a first tactic. Sometimes I just get tired of hearing people whine.

Be safe, brother! (Or sister as the case might be!)

2/08/2013 08:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Contact cards are a joke. You really believe this a basic part of my job? Jr. I don't police for numbers . Most of us do nothing's as you believe, have been though and saw so much we are burnt out. When you push a beat car for 20 plus years then you tell me how you feel. When I got on this job they took care of the old timers . Now all inside jobs are filled with no timers that have the balls to call the selfs
Police . I have we'll over a thousand arrests under my belt and have wrestled with so many ass holes my body aches every fucking day. I have four years to go and I'm still doing my job, answering the radio writing a few movers and making some arrest. Sorry if you think I'm a dog but I did my time . Now it's your turn

2/08/2013 09:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Get an apartment and move your family out of the city like the rest of us. Don't be a cheapskate.

2/08/2013 09:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

For you non-police people on this blog, making comments about our residency. GO F**K Yourself!!!
Let's see how many CPS employees live in the burbs and other city workers. Police are the only ones who can be potentially followed!!! So go back to teaching these monsters you call the "future", or pushing your broom!!

2/08/2013 09:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Second, I love police and love what you do and support you. I think you need to hire more people and Rahm is totally dropping the ball on that. You should get proper equipment, newer cars, whatever you need to do your job safely. That being said...

A demand for a 12 percent pay increase and additional stipend to live in the City is ridiculous. Inflation is at minimal levels at the moment. Most workers in the private sector see less than this even in good economic times. I understand it is a beginning bargaining position, but it makes the FOP look greedy and does not help get the public on your side.

The last thing I have to say is how much the complaints about shitty lawyers that represent you irk me. If you want to be represented by better lawyers, have the FOP take that up with the mayor. Most of the lawyers who represent you get paid less than you do with no overtime, duty bonuses, etc. No raises in years. People who love the job and are good at it but have to leave because who can live in the City, pay for law school debt, and support their families on less than a P.O. who has been on the job for 18 months? If things were different, a lot of us who really care about you would still be doing the job.

2/07/2013 11:58:00 PM



First, you don't love the police.

Second, you don't support the police.

Third, the public's, as evidenced by your bipolar opinions, opinion of the police is irrelevant to the issue of labor contract negotiations. Totally irrelevant. As totally irrelevant as it's opinion is to every other financial decision made by the ass munchers controlling our city, county and state taxing authorities. This is a fact. All theories to the contrary, a fact.

Fourth, thank you for removing yourself from the overly defective gene pool of county ASA's.

2/08/2013 09:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

indemnify PO's from punitive costs
==============
the city is prohibited by state law from doing so. in any case, it would kind of defeat the purpose of punitive damages if the guy being punished did not have to pay them.

2/08/2013 10:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Paulie Beedron said...

12:20 AM Post,

Well said! I hate "reverse" used as an adjective. As my history teacher once said, the reverse of racism is TOLERANCE!

2/08/2013 10:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't know why the FOP didn't take the city/state to court years ago to fight this archaic residency requirement. There is no way in hell that would stand up in court. If an officer can make it to work everyday on time, why should it matter where the heck he lives. I believe the union won't press the issue b/c they most likely own houses in areas that they feel would go down hill if residency lifted.
=========================
Chicago is a home rule community. Unless residency restrictions are preempted at the state level, Chicago can do what it wants to. I don't see there being any basis to sue.

Virtually all public safety employees have some kind of restrictions on where they can live. It is part of the deal.

The city could agree to change it, but what could you give up that would be attractive enough to the city for the city to be willing to give it up.

2/08/2013 10:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

He screwed over coppers in the pocket personally by not getting in the proper paper work in on time.
===============
these kind of things do not happen unintentionally most of the time.

look at who might benefit personally in the long run from this. look for certain people to get "merit" promotions in a year or two.

2/08/2013 10:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Unreal. I love reading when someone writes what they think the FOP should do or they or misinformed someone responds right away telling them to stfu or call them a moron. This is why we never stand together. So to all you anonymous blogging tough guys, remember we are on the same team.

2/08/2013 10:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't know why the FOP didn't take the city/state to court years ago to fight this archaic residency requirement. There is no way in hell that would stand up in court. If an officer can make it to work everyday on time, why should it matter where the heck he lives. I believe the union won't press the issue b/c they most likely own houses in areas that they feel would go down hill if residency lifted.

Are you on crack? We all own houses in neighborhoods that have gone down hill.

2/08/2013 11:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I don't know why the FOP didn't take the city/state to court years ago to fight this archaic residency requirement. There is no way in hell that would stand up in court. If an officer can make it to work everyday on time, why should it matter where the heck he lives. I believe the union won't press the issue b/c they most likely own houses in areas that they feel would go down hill if residency lifted.

The FOP wont press the issue because lawsuits cost money and the residency suits have lost everytime and after being upheld in the courts, it sets precedent

2/08/2013 11:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
how about midnight shift extra pay?

You already get duty availability.

2/08/2013 12:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

bring back 10 hours day for po's.

That's why we didn't get 10 hour days in the first place. Po's complained it was to long to be in a squad car.

2/08/2013 12:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
No back pay????? Please clarify if this is 100% true........ Mike shields has some explaining to do!

You need clarification, Go to a meeting and ask him yourself.

2/08/2013 12:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't know why the FOP didn't take the city/state to court years ago to fight this archaic residency requirement. There is no way in hell that would stand up in court. If an officer can make it to work everyday on time, why should it matter where the heck he lives. I believe the union won't press the issue b/c they most likely own houses in areas that they feel would go down hill if residency lifted.

Dont know why you would say "No way in hell it would stand up in court" He has everytime it has been challenged

2/08/2013 12:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

furlough by watch"


They tried that already. They hoped that it would force officers with more time on the job onto third watch, which traditionally has the majority of the least-experienced coppers.

That experiment failed.

There's nothing in it for the city, so don't expect it to happen.

Dont know why you would say theres nothing in it for the city. They are the ones proposing it, so there is something in it for them

2/08/2013 12:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I read in the slum times about capping secondary employment to 20hrs. a week and not permitting officers to work within a 4hr. window before their tour of duty. This is b.s. I have worked for the board of ed. for the past 13 yrs. and it is vital to my family's financial health for me to work. Why should the dept. get to choose when, where and how I will spend my time working a viable job? Pay us more and stop stripping our benefits and maybe I wouldn't have to work a side job for the past 13 yrs. Then on top of that, I have to register with the city that I work for the board of ed. as a secondary job. What gives? This is a bad idea that will affect @ 700 p.o.'s that work security for the board. This will also screw us financially. This is not good at all. This dept. keeps getting more and more screwed up.

Maybe, you should go to an FOP meeting and quit reading the sun times. Take part in your FOP if you really care.

2/08/2013 12:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

STOP with the residency bullshit already said...
Residency again, really? Where in the fuck are you going to go? Which suburbs? The animal is there, maybe not in numbers like the City but they are there, and they can easily come and go. Do you really think you're going to move your entire family to a community rural enough to escape most of the crime and political influences that this shithole of a city has? Really? And then have yourself a 90-minute commute each way everyday, sometimes more if you have court. Yea, I know, you'll get an apartment here and go out to the house on your days off. Yea, $800 a month split by a few coppers... just like your old college dorm days. Stop with the residency shit already. Suburban property taxes are extremely high, you'll pay additional for garbage pick up, more for water and sewer than you are paying here, double or even triple your car fuel consumption and that's not including your wife's gas if she works or just wants to come back to the City and visit. Yea, you can move to a neighboring village, something just outside the City and get what? Nothing more than you have now except the spite of denying the City your property tax revenue. But you'll pay it all and more in the suburbs. Now stop being childish and let's put something real, tangible and obtainable on the negotiating table. Fuck off with your residency bullshit, it's foolish, costly and ill-thought-out

2/07/2013 10:51:00 PM

You forgot one important point. Schools in Chicago suck. Private schools are very expensive. I pay $12,000 for 2 in school now. You are telling me I will pay $12,000 in extra taxes and fees? Busshit. Education is extremely important for the majority of police families. I talk to suburban officers that live outisde cook county and have nice homes and free schools. Great libraries and fantastic park districts with real activities. How many officers now pay additional fees to use pools and park facilities in the surrounding suburbs?

2/08/2013 12:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
The city was sued over residency in the early 1970's. The plaintiff was Eugene Mannion, a CPD officer who was living in Oak Park. The city residency ordinance was upheld all th way through the Illinois Supreme court. It is completely legal for the city to require it's employees to reside in the city.

The federal courts, you say? The city of Philadelphia had a residency law very similar to Chicago's. Again, in the 1970's, the Philadelphia police union, the FOP I believe, sued the city of Philadelphia in the federal courts, citing the law as being unconstitutional. The City of Philadelphia won , through the appellate level, and the U. S Supreme Court , declined to intervene . That is why the FOP does not sue yhe city over residence.

An old temer

Not sure if you are right and also am confused. Here is one of the requirements to be a Philadelphia police officer right off their website. If you can live outside the city, how can this be a requirement

Residency
Each non-resident of the City of Philadelphia, hired for the position of Police Officer is required to establish residency within the City of Philadelphia no later than six (6) months after promotion to Police Officer I. Those appointed to the position of Police Officer shall establish his or her bona fide residence in the City within one year of his or her appointment.

2/08/2013 12:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What about the extra half hour a day!
A couple of years ago I believe it was in California, the US Supreme Court ruled that offices should be compensated and extra Half Hour a day. The Compensation is to change in and out of our uniforms and gear!
I personally gave this to the union and was told it would be in the next negotiations!Well Mike I am still waiting for you or your lackeys to return my call!!! This was used in the past to STOP the swiping in and out.

2/08/2013 12:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I don't hit the medical, I come in do a good jobs and sgts don't have to bail me out on c.r.'s because I don't get them."

You're a veritable bargain for the city. Obviously you never get out of the squad car, that's the only possible way of avoiding cr numbers. It's checkoff, better crawl back under the sgts desk& polish him off before you go home,Gump.

2/07/2013 11:07:00 PM

Truer words were never spoken.

2/08/2013 12:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said... All you officers driving around and not even doing the most basic of law enforcement cry the most about getting what you think you deserve. If we took 80% of you off the street there would almost be no difference in response times.Goahead look around the roll call room.the bosses ask for the most basic stuff like a contact card and you complain. $80'000 a year and you cant even do that. Not all of you but enough to have the citizens say wtf? Do your job. McCarthy is a joke and you don't work for him. You work for you and your family.

Contact Cards are bullshit! Keep working hard company man, the politicians will reward you with cat food to eat when you retire! You can play the stupid numbers game, enjoy your federal law suit!

2/08/2013 12:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
how about lifting residency after 7 yrs,this way the property tax base and value of your home stays intact.

2/07/2013 09:23:00 PM


??? What am I missing here?

2/08/2013 12:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

March? Do you think anyone gives a shit if you march? All you'll do is make some other coppers stand in the cold and rain to direct traffic. You want to be heard? Go to a union meeting.

As far as that other stuff, missing family shit, working holidays, going to court? What the fuck did you think you were signing up for? Policing is a 24/7/365 proposition. Yea it's not always fun (especially if someone ends up next to a constant complainer like you) and yes we have to miss some stuff, but that's part of the game. Oh wait, maybe you thought that you would just work 9-5 and be off on weekends? You should have asked some questions before you made the VOLUNTARY life decision to be come a police officer.

I'm 2 yrs retired now after 26 years, 11 in districts and 15 in units, and no matter where I went there were crybabies like you who pissed and moaned about car assignments, he got what I wanted, day off groups, watch assignments etc etc etc. Shut the fuck up and do your job, or at least be grateful to have a job where the bare minimum (or less) will get you paid.

There are some things I miss about the job, but boy listening to disgruntled assholes like you sure isn't one of them. For the sake of everyone around you, give it a rest.

Be safe everybody

Right on. That needed to be said

2/08/2013 12:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

fyi all you people put on mandatory medical for running out of 365 limited duty work days well i just found out officers in certain units and districts are way over 365 days but for some reason are still working. oh boy...i smell a an0ther grievance$$$$$$$$.fop shields can u please help..why start something if no one is following????

I heard some have already been placed on the medical. That would present a problem for the city if they arbitrarily put some po's on the medical and not others. Clout prevails but in this case they cannot pick and chose. You are playing with po's livelihood

2/08/2013 12:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
If that asshole shields forgot to send a letter and is screwing me out of a retro check I'm gonna sue his ass personally. I won't sue the union just him personally. I have little doubt he did it on purpose.

2/07/2013 09:20:00 AM


You jump on that suit and give me the name of the lawyer that will represent you, probably with a $10,000 retainer and $250 an hour. You go get him

2/08/2013 01:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hope mike gets us the 12 percent. I need the retro to get a Harley. Wooohoooo!

2/08/2013 01:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A demand for a 12 percent pay increase and additional stipend to live in the City is ridiculous. Inflation is at minimal levels at the moment. Most workers in the private sector see less than this even in good economic times. I understand it is a beginning bargaining position, but it makes the FOP look greedy and does not help get the public on your side.

2/07/2013 11:58:00 PM

A 'demand', which is a legal term, Counselor, (and not a DEMAND, as such) for twelve percent is a misnomer.
The Lodge is asking 12% over what amounts to three years. Four percent for last year, four for this year and four for next year.
We got burned on the last contract and this will go toward repairing that travesty of a contract.

As for your last paragraph, which I did not copy above, you know that old phrase people LOVE to throw at us. "You KNEW what you were signing up for." If the financial grass is so much greener, being the police instead of being our legal representative, then take the test and come on the job.

2/08/2013 01:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fuck off with your residency bullshit, it's foolish, costly and ill-thought-out
2/07/2013 10:51:00 PM

APPLAUSE!

2/08/2013 01:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

per Shackman agreement, pomotional list can only be used for six years. City has started process of making new test and therefore new list in accordance with agreement. They can use current list until september (make sgt classes), they are just figuring out who they really owe/want to make meritorious.

2/07/2013 08:55:00 PM

Funny you should write that on Feb 7. The current Sgt's promotional list was published on 07-FEB-07. So according to you the list expired before you even wrote your post. Thanks for contributing your legal genius. I guess we'll all just have to wait for the next "pomotional" test.

2/08/2013 01:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow. Lots of Rahmbot comments.


Anonymous Anonymous said...

"All you officers driving around and not even doing the most basic of law enforcement cry the most about getting what you think you deserve. If we took 80% of you off the street there would almost be no difference in response times.Go ahead look around the roll call room. the bosses ask for the most basic stuff like a contact card and you complain. $80'000 a year and you cant even do that. Not all of you but enough to have the citizens say wtf? Do your job. McCarthy is a joke and you don't work for him. You work for you and your family.

If 'we' took? Who are you?

2/08/2013 02:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
maybe we can ask for some concessions of residency ...

"If you put a wedding dress in any basement in any residence in Chicago ... you can live anywhere else for any length of time."

What ya think?

2/08/2013 05:29:00 AM


I got married at a courthouse and didn't have a wedding dress.

Can't I just put my ballet tutu in a box in the crawl space? Or, as I sometimes call it, my gacy space.

2/08/2013 02:30:00 PM  

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