Ignorant Comment
This popped up a few days ago in one of our Pro-2A posts:
- Here's what I don't get about your stance on this position. Coppers can already carry concealed. So can retirees. Why do you or I care about the rest? Now, I'll have to worry about the law abiding citizen who is having a bad day and has a gun in his possession. It may make sense to Joe citizen who can't carry now, but I don't understand how any copper, who actually does anything on the street, thinks this will make his job easier. And no, it isn't all about me. I did my time and I'm out of here in about ten minutes.
I do notice that you normally get about 200 to 300 comments on pro gun issues. I'm not a mathmetician, but that would seem to indicate that only about 1 or 2 percent of the active and retired coppers support your position. I think that says something.
Why do we care about the rest? Because unlike yourself, we don't see ourselves as above the citizens we serve. That's right - we said "serve." Check the side of your squad car - Serve and Protect. Sound familiar at all? We are public servants and all of our supposed power derives from the consent of the governed. Those same people could dictate that we leave our guns secured at the station every night so as to leave cops exactly where they are - unarmed and vulnerable.
You fall into the trap of thinking that regular people can't be trusted with guns, despite all the evidence to the contrary and 49 other states that aren't awash in nearly the amount of blood Chicago is. You worry about a citizen having a bad day? What about fellow cops? They're human, they have guns. What if they're having a bad day? You make a straw man argument that gets blown over at the first hint of logic.
Truth be told, you aren't going to run into Joe Citizen and his lawful firearm every day. In fact, we bet you wouldn't run into him weekly or monthly either. Joe Citizen isn't out there slinging dope, breaking into cars and houses, beating their significant other or sticking up people for phones, jewelry and cash.
But Joe Citizen is far more likely to run into someone determined to do him or his family harm, steal his iPhone, burgle his garage. And for you to conspire to deny your fellow citizen, the person you are supposed to be serving (even though the statistics say you won't get there for at least 10 minutes) is unconscionable to most right thinking Americans. The Supreme Court has ruled that police are under no obligation to protect the individual. That in and of itself is reason enough for Concealed Carry.
As to you alleging we get 200-to-300 comments on gun issues, you're obviously assuming that all 10,000 Chicago cops and 7,000 retirees read us every day and only those few choose to comment. A quick scan reveals we get under 100 comments on most pension issue posts, so using your "logic," coppers care even less about their golden years than their guns? Not likely.
300 comments is unusual for anything we post, scandals, Line of Duty deaths, gun issues. So you thinking and saying that it says something? All it says to us is you aren't a regular reader, you have no knowledge of statistics, and you certainly don't have a feel for what a large portion of our readership feels. It also tells us you spent your entire career drinking the Daley/Rahm/democratic Machine koolaid and viewing your fellow citizens as less than capable or worthy of defending themselves, no matter their individual circumstances.
UPDATE: Supreme Court link amended to the more appropriate Castle Rock case.
You fall into the trap of thinking that regular people can't be trusted with guns, despite all the evidence to the contrary and 49 other states that aren't awash in nearly the amount of blood Chicago is. You worry about a citizen having a bad day? What about fellow cops? They're human, they have guns. What if they're having a bad day? You make a straw man argument that gets blown over at the first hint of logic.
Truth be told, you aren't going to run into Joe Citizen and his lawful firearm every day. In fact, we bet you wouldn't run into him weekly or monthly either. Joe Citizen isn't out there slinging dope, breaking into cars and houses, beating their significant other or sticking up people for phones, jewelry and cash.
But Joe Citizen is far more likely to run into someone determined to do him or his family harm, steal his iPhone, burgle his garage. And for you to conspire to deny your fellow citizen, the person you are supposed to be serving (even though the statistics say you won't get there for at least 10 minutes) is unconscionable to most right thinking Americans. The Supreme Court has ruled that police are under no obligation to protect the individual. That in and of itself is reason enough for Concealed Carry.
As to you alleging we get 200-to-300 comments on gun issues, you're obviously assuming that all 10,000 Chicago cops and 7,000 retirees read us every day and only those few choose to comment. A quick scan reveals we get under 100 comments on most pension issue posts, so using your "logic," coppers care even less about their golden years than their guns? Not likely.
300 comments is unusual for anything we post, scandals, Line of Duty deaths, gun issues. So you thinking and saying that it says something? All it says to us is you aren't a regular reader, you have no knowledge of statistics, and you certainly don't have a feel for what a large portion of our readership feels. It also tells us you spent your entire career drinking the Daley/Rahm/democratic Machine koolaid and viewing your fellow citizens as less than capable or worthy of defending themselves, no matter their individual circumstances.
UPDATE: Supreme Court link amended to the more appropriate Castle Rock case.
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The Supreme Court didnt rule on Warren v. District of Columbia, it was a DC Appellate case. There is a case which is essentially identical which the SCOTUS did rule on, which is Castle Rock v. Gonzales
good answer
Right on SCC....
Very well said second city.
Why do you or I care about the rest?
Wow. God given freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution mean nothing to this cumstain.
Newsflash! You are a citizen just like me.
If you don't get thrown in jail because you quit your job you are a CITIZEN just like the rest of us.
I thank God cops do such a good job but guys that think they are above everyone else can kiss my ass.
They have some idiots on the job that wouldn't be able to pass an IQ test given to children to assess mental handicaps... ...that said, I don't want to believe this is a cop posting this comment, I'm gonna lie to myself and assume this was a civilian implying they are police to given the comment some type of credibility.
"You fall into the trap of thinking that regular people can't be trusted with guns, despite all the evidence to the contrary and 49 other states that aren't awash in nearly the amount of blood Chicago is."
It may not be his fault; CPD has been brainwashing coppers into thinking "guns are bad for anyone but the police" for years. I recently ran into an edition of the CPD Star magazine (or whatever it was called then) that carried the same nonsense they've been shoving down our throats all this time.
If you remember back to the "good old days", if you got a gun, you got to go home. It's little wonder there're still coppers who think this way.
At some point you've got not allow yourself to be brainwashed, however.
Not all my friends & relatives are cops, and I'd rather they be able to protect themselves should the time come, not wait ten minutes for a car to show up.
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What an ass munch this poster is. Why allow regular joes to carry? Well you obviously have no time in court. Officer, why did you pay down that drug offender? Or that theft offender? What you thought he may have had a gun? Why? How many of your drug offenders have had guns? What? Less than 1 %? Then why are you expecting to find guns? Illinois is a non carry state, it's not normal to carry, you realize that officer correct?
Now in a conceal carry state your p.c. To pat down anyone changes... Why? Because its not out of the norm to expect people to carry...
Rookies...
Damn SCC, preach on my brother (Or sister)!!
Outstanding retort SCC I agree with your comment 100%. Ret. CPD 8yrs. now never had to draw my weapon since I retired and hope I never will.Now that I do not have arrest powers doesn't mean I won't defend myself or anyone else from harm just as any citizen should be able to do.
Nicely stated, SCC. Personally, even after years of retirement, and with my IROCC, I still care about the citizens, especially my friends and family living around the city.
Well Said !!!
tell this retired LEO to move to Connecticut if he wants to deal with that BS. As a current LEO and working in CPD I want all my family conceal carry . I want my daughter to be safe when I am not with her mom. Its called being a sheep dog and maybe you where never the police. We took an Oath to uphold the Constitution of US from enemy both foreign or domestic. The last time I looked second Amendment was on the constitution!
That is a highly intelligent, coherent response to some very ignorant comments. Good job SCC.
TY SCC , TY for sticking up for the US. God Bless YOU
When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.
I don't want my non-cop friends & family to have to wait those minutes-I want them to be able to defend themselves.
That's not an ignorant comment just because you and myself disagree with it. It's a valid point that has a valid rational answer.
Scc
I would have to argue with you here. Most coppurs could give two shits about their pension, or most anything to do with their well being. Nobody shows up for union meetings. We can't even get coppurs to vote when they are sent df addressed envelopes for union reps and the union pres. That's part of the reason out voices are never heard.
Less than an 1/8th of us even vote in general elections. Why do you think we get shit on every single time? They know we can never stick together and be a force to reckon with in a poetical agenda. We have zero unity. Most guys these days are concerned about lining their own pockets with overtime and will throw anyone under the bus to get it. It's a sad sad state of affairs. We will never have any power through the fop or in general. It's a fact. Coppurs are tge best at bitching and tge worst at actually showing up to change something. That's the reason our voice will never matter
He sounds like some appointed chief or commissioner. I would bet never really worked a day in the street.
Check this out..
Illinois judge charged with possession of heroin, guns
ST. LOUIS (AP) — A southwestern Illinois judge already under scrutiny after a colleague died of a cocaine overdose at his family's hunting lodge was charged Friday with possession of heroin and guns.
Wearing cutoff shorts and a T-shirt with the slogan "Bad is my middle name," St. Clair County Circuit Judge Michael Cook pleaded not guilty to federal counts of possessing heroin and having a firearm while being an illegal user of controlled substances. The criminal complaint alleges those offenses took place Thursday, and that Cook is an addict.
Earlier Friday, the county coroner said toxicology tests showed that Cook's colleague, St. Clair County Circuit Judge Joe Christ, overdosed on cocaine while staying with Cook at the Cook family's 2,500-square-foot cabin near the Mississippi River in western Illinois.
The 49-year-old father of six was found dead in a bathroom at the lodge near Pleasant Hill, about 65 miles from St. Louis, on the evening of March 10 — little more than a week after he was sworn in as a judge.
Pike County, Ill., Coroner Paul Petty said blood screenings showed there was also alcohol in Christ's system, and that investigators seized cocaine and paraphernalia from the cabin. The two judges were the only people staying at the property at the time, said Petty, who also serves as sheriff.
Ahhh but wait for it...are you ready?
Cook, 43, has not been charged in Christ's death, but that federal investigation continues. He remains a judge, though his courthouse office has been sealed off as part of the investigation and he has been stripped of his docket of hundreds of cases.
During Cook's brief court appearance in East St. Louis Friday, U.S. Magistrate Judge Clifford Proud ordered him released on his own recognizance on the condition that he attend drug treatment if required by court officials, surrender his passport, and avoid firearms and drugs not prescribed to him.
full story is here >> http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/05/24/illinois-judge-heroin-guns/2359141/
Do you have family members? Are all of them police? Probably not. What about your wife who traverses this treacherous city without her police husband by her side? Is she not allowed to carry a gun to protect herself? Your kids going off to college or on their own. Would you like to see them possess a weapon to protect themselves? Mom? Dad? We are not above the law. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.
Amen SCC!!!
And to the asshat who made that comment, your an asshat!
1. Police can't be everywhere at once.
2. Physical attacks usually favor the bad side.
3. Fellow citizens won't keep you safe.
4. Citizens should not fear being in public.
5. Statistically ccw states have less violence.
6. It is an American culture.
7. It is constitutionally allowed.
8. Some police officers just won't fight crime.
9. It keeps the bad guy thinking twice.
10. It's cool.
Civilians should absolutely be able to carry. I want my mother, father, family, friends and all hard working citizens to be able to defend themselves against these thugs. They are completely defenseless. They HAVE TO give up their phones, purses, wallets. The thugs have all the control. Very disheartening. They have the guns already! Now lets arm the next victim.
It's easy to become cynical while "on the job," listening to the political "leaders" at the local, state & federal levels. The majority of laws are, I believe, written by liberal minds who have never met a felon they couldn't embrace. Sometimes that bias seeps into the rank & file, and before it's recognized for what it is, becomes standard operating procedure. While the soon to be retiree can't see how an armed citizenry could possibly be a good thing, he might want to withhold judgement for 30-40 years, and then see if, as he ages, weakens, loses mobility, he might think differently. I would like to think so. Be safe brothers & sisters!
This person has been drinking the daley, emanuel, obama Kool-Aid for wayyyyy toooo looong.
Well said SCC.
"Why do you or I care a about the rest?", and "I did my time and I'm out of here in about ten minutes."?
First, I'm a cop BECAUSE I care about the rest.
Second, PLEASE LEAVE NOW! You are already at least ten minutes too late.
Sgt. Gerry Majerczyk, 010th District
P.S. No pats on the back, please. The rest of you know this is how you feel, you just haven't said it out loud recently (maybe for awhile). No kicks in the ass either, because if that's your sentiment, I already have no concern for your opinion, you are lost and I can't help you get back.
When seconds count help is minutes away.
Everyone deserves to be able to protect their lives and the lives of their loved ones. It shouldn't just be LE, politicians and the chosen special few. Every law abiding citizen who has proven themselves to not be a shit-bird by following the rules, going to work and paying taxes is an asset to society if armed since the shit birds already are.
I do think there should be a lot of inexpensive safety courses though. Also advise every 1st time gun owner out there to start with a revolver. I'm worried there will be a few accidental discharges with inexperienced folks carrying with a round racked. Start 'em off with a nice hammerless five shot .38 and move up from there after we've got them trained.
CC can't happen fast enough here.
Thank you SCC
"I did my time and I'm out of here in about ten minutes."
Too bad for the citizens of Chicago it wasn't 10 years ago. I had more to say about the many instances of flawed logic in the cowardly, mental migdget's comment, but SCC handled it better than I could have. Man that guy is stupid.
"I'll have to worry about the law abiding citizen who is having a bad day and has a gun in his possession."
Cops in 49 other states seem to handle it without any issue. If you are afraid of law abiding citizens, and your own shadow, maybe you should find another line of work like dog grooming or florist.
Coppers can already carry concealed. So can retirees. Why do you or I care about the rest?
You forgot Aldermen.
Boy, this sounds like it came right out of the mouth of some politician, a politician who has his own security detail 24/7, made up of armed police.
Maybe it's Rahm or McStreetlamp
Just A Citizen says:
Bravo SCC! Well said. Thank you for spending the time with that response. I read SCC everyday. It's the only truth I get. Stay safe everyone. Prayers for all LE daily.
Bravo SCC! What an egotesticular douche bag!
Great rebuttal SCC to another jackass's jackass comment.
Very good reply!
SCC, Excellent, perceptive response to that Elitist soon to be retired .....
SCC, thanks, you nailed it.
Not a LEO but appreciate all they do.
SCC, nice smack-down of the well intentioned but shallow thinking copper.
As usual, very well put.
Would not expect anything less.
Keep calling it as it IS.
Wow. Good reply, SCC. But it really disturbs me that there's people out there, public servants, that are so drunk on the koolaid. That "I've got me and mine protected, who cares about they and there's." Sounds an awful lot like the ladies waiting for their Obama money and the lady with 9 kids wondering who's gonna be responsible for taking care of them. Does Ed Burke have a kid PO?
I just finished reading the Tribunes web site and the article that I'm going to talk about is the robbery of the cell phone store in Hodgkins and the subsequent pursuit. In the article one of the robbers ; Steven Jakes pointed a gun in the face of the store manager and the directs a total of 5 customers and 2 employees into the back of the store at gun point. Steven Jakes is currently on parole and has 5 felony convictions under his belt at the ripe old age of 26. Now if Steve Jakes has a gun albeit illegally then why can't John Q.Citizen carry a gun legally. This is the problem that law enforcement encounters especially in this state. More and more people arrested for serious offenses are on parole. In my option my job is made harder by Govern Quinn , the judges and the parole board. Steven Jakes represents a large group of criminals who continue to repeat their evil ways and are subsequently given a slap on the wrist by the judges or are released early from their prison sentence only to victimize again. If the average Joe was allowed to carry a firearm then people like Steven Jakes would probably think twice about continuing their career in crime.
That gentleman isn't much of a statistician - concluding that most of the entire population of cops are against CCW because they don't comment on the blog is silly. It would make more sense to take the sample population of those who do comment and see how opinions are distributed within that sample population.
Did he not take an oath to uphold the Constitution?
Thank you SCC for your well spoken reply.
well said scc, that guy was obviously an a$$ hat wearing clown shoe
former cpd
Pretty much willing to bet this guy isn't the police and if he actually is show me where he's been assigned for his entire career and his rank. That might help us know what's really up with his ridiculous comment
Bravo,SCC.
One of your top 10 responses.
Your right, SCC, this was an ignorant comment. To this poster, read history. First they will disarm the ordinary citizen then, after a while, it will be restrictions on the retired police then active police. It is a very, very slippery slope!
As for Joe Citizen, he/she has the right to defend themselves against the animals who don't abide by any laws.
Since you believe Joe Citizen should not have concealed carry and it sounds like you are retirering at which point you will become Joe Citizen, maybe you should give up your guns. Stand up for what you believe.
My last parting shot - sounds like a CPD boss - do as I say, not as I do.
The number of comments does not directly correlate to support.
The comments about gay rights will always be high, but that's because gays are programmed by their interest groups to go bonkers with writing comments.
It doen't mean that the population overwhelming support gays.
Here is a novel idea. Only give gays guns.
Why, because both issues have high comments so together they must be good.
The logic goes bust!
As a long time retired after serving 35 years, the only thing I fear is that this is the state of Illinois, County of Cook, City of Chicago & who signs off on who gets to carry & in fact who does get to carry.
Well put SCC. Thanks for a dose of reality in a sea of rabid anti-gun zealots.
apparrently this commentor doesnt have family either. when conceal c arry comes to this state I want my family to have the choice to carry or not, not a politician who has armed security to choose for them like we have now.
I do notice that you normally get about 200 to 300 comments on pro gun issues. I'm not a mathmetician, but that would seem to indicate that only about 1 or 2 percent of the active and retired coppers support your position. I think that says something.
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It does say something, but not what you think.
Your position seems to be that if 200-300 officers make pro-gun comments here that the other 9000-10,000 officers must therefore be against concealed carry because they failed to comment here.
HUH?
From a statistical standpoint, the exact opposite is true.
If a large majority of 200-300 people out of a "universe" of 10,000 or so all are leaning in favor of one position, a REBUTTABLE presumption absolutely exists to project that view as LIKELY amongt the entire "universe".
You're not a mathemetician alright, and it looks like you're several quarts low on common sense as well.
An amazingly literate and scathing rebuttal to the posters original comment. Congratulations SCC ! I can't believe that the comment was posted by anyone other than a supervisor (Lt. or above). Perhaps it was written by an inside sycophant. Any knowledgable street cop could not be that dim. God bless you SCC and Semper Fi! Prayers for all our brave service men and women and especially for our fallen heroes.
I moved to Chicgao from another state 7 yrs ago. I've had a gun for the past 17 years, and will continue to regardless of whether concel and carry ever passes. I've never had to use it and hopefully never will.
Patrick Henry: “The people have a right to keep and bear arms.” (Elliott, Debates at 185)
Patrick Henry: “Are we at last brought to such a humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our own defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in our possession and under our own direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?, 3 Elliot Debates 168-169.
Patrick Henry: “The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun.” 3 Elliot, Debates at 386.
Thomas Jefferson In his Commonplace Book, Jefferson quotes Cesare Beccaria from his seminal work, On Crimes and Punishment: “Laws that forbid the carrying of arms… disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes… Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.”
I would like to say that I went to the NRA convention in Houston. I attended the Leadership conference. Guest Speakers, Sarah Palin, Gov Jindal, Gov Perry, Presidential contender Rick Santorum, and a whole bunch of other big name speakers. Several hundred people in the audience. Texas is a CC state, when I asked a Houston PO if a problem with carrying my gun past security, he said "this is Texas, guns are legal here." No security to get in and nobody got shot. Maybe it is only Democrats that worry about getting shot by their citizens. Keep up the fight SCC.
Retired CPD
In 016 the supes tell the blues to call 10-1's to get help. Why? Bec there is only 190 blues for the whole gigantic district. Our alderman could care less about our safety.
That guy cant be the police. What an ass.
If medical marijuana passes then the users may forfeit their conceal and carry rights. Check it out. Its a little realized part of the law. Medical marijuana is not legal in the feds eyes.
By the way, well written SCC!
This poster could not possibly have spent a career on the street. He is either a troll posting as a copper an idiot.
Any copper fortunate enough to encounter a fellow citizen so determined to follow the law that he or she has gone to the considerable trouble of going through the permitting process should be glad to know that that person is far, far less likely to commit a felony than the rest of the population without permits.
They're people who care about leading lawful lives.
I thank God cops do such a good job but guys that think they are above everyone else can kiss my ass.
5/27/2013 12:28:00 AM
All we can say is, we, better than anyone else know that the number of dipshits on the job that think this way are in the minority.
Problem is, our own employers, the media and every moron that believes it thinks otherwise.
The minority of dipshits like the original douchebag poster give all the fuel needed to the anti police masses in their bullshit argument that all cops think this way.
..because I want my wife and daughter to be able to carry concealed also, Thats why.
I've read the Castle Rock v. Gonzales case. I wasn't there so I don't know the whole story. But what I gleaned from it was if the SCOTUS ruled in favor of Gonzalez it would leave every police department at the local, county and state level open to lawsuits. What that means is every time someone is a victim of a crime the police can be sued.It would open the floodgates. Someone gets shot and you are assigned the paper. The person dies. The family can sue you, the w/c, the department and the city because they failed to protect the deceased from getting shot.
You want to get a new lawsuits every week every time there is a crime committed in this city? It was unfortunate the woman's children were killed by the ex-husband. I would bet though she had no idea he was going to kill them. No one knew what he had done until he walked into the local police station and committed "suicide by cop". The found the children afterwards.
Well done SCC!
I guess now I know why Daley and Rahm started going outside the department for Superintendants. Sounds like most of the CPD doesn't parrot the failed Rahm and Machine agenda.
Richard Henry Lee: “A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves…and include all men capable of bearing arms.” (Additional letters from the Federal Farmer, at 169, 1788)
George Mason: “I ask you sir, who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people.” (Elliott, Debates, 425-426)
What if a citizen has a bad day??? Really? What if an off duty or on duty cop has a bad day? What if a military member has a bad day? Have you had a bad day ever? Your opinion has no fact in supporting your "idea". You must have been the real police like 017, 018, 019 or 020? You based your opinion on 0 facts, just jibber jabber. So now that you are retiring, which you probably don't deserve, what will you do with your gun? Don't carry it! What if you have a bad day? Go hit the hole and hide out you dog ass anti american obama logic-like douche. Would you like your koolaid shaken or stirred?
I don't like the training requirements and fees associated with the latest bill, but I think Quinn is dumb enough to shoot it down if it passes the state senate.
If constitutional carry follows in June and IL does NOT become the wild west, I think the state legislature would have a very hard time passing anything more restrictive.
We The People have a natural right of self-defense. Carry if you think you have the need, just keep clear head when you do.
Food for thought.
A lot of active CPD are opposed to civilians have arms to defend themselves. I guess because the active police feel that it gives them some elite status and power over the civilians.
But they also believe that when they retire they should retain the privilege of carrying a firearms, not because they are the police, but because they WERE. And they became incensed when informed that their prior employment status means nothing.
Since the passing of the Federal ROCC law, retired LEO's have the right that citizens don't. In that way they are no different from the liberal democratic slime that is running this state and great country into the ground. Guns, (and other perks) for me, not for thee.
No guns, or other protection for citizens. Or their wives, sons and daughters.
In 49 other states, the citizens carry AND the police are not being killed by "citizens having a bad day".
I favor conceal carry. I grew up in Chicago, but lived in and visit states where conceal/open carry rights are not infringed upon. There is not blood bath.
Even though "no one" can carry in Illinois except the police, I approach every car and subject as if they have a weapon.
To those who don't carry off duty, that is your choice. To those who don't think other citizens should not carry, THAT IS NOT A CHOICE, it is a right for them given by the constitution.
Finally, if the original poster is so worried about shit like that, then get off the job. Your view belies an unsafe mentality in that 1) no one is carrying now, and 2) law-abiding citizens cannot be responsible people exercising their rights.
Conceal Carry For Illinois, because it is the RIGHT thing to do.
SCC,
Is it possible for a response without insults and ad hominem attacks?
I thought about firing back at that guy when the comment popped up but I honestly didn't know where to begin, or if he was just trolling. Unfortunately a lot of cops think like this and it's a big reason that many honest citizens outside the ghetto do not trust the police. SCC does more good than he knows by talking about stuff--not just gun issues but the bureaucracy, bad apples, good-cop stories, all of it--and doing it in the open where civilians like me can get a better perspective on the good and the bad and not just the bullshit coming out of city leadership. It's like a police outreach program that actually works because it's accessible to everyone, not just fools in the ghetto as the officially sanctioned programs invariably are.
If every city had an SCC this country would be a much better place.
I'm not a cop and this is EXACTLY the type of attitude that drives normal law abiding people to resent the police. Most of us however, are intelligent enough to know that there's good and bad in every profession and are therefore able to see beyond jerks like that poster.
I love this site and enjoy reading what the decent side (majority IMHO) of law enforcement people think.
Bravo for showing that schmuck the error of his thinking.
I do think there should be a lot of inexpensive safety courses though. Also advise every 1st time gun owner out there to start with a revolver. I'm worried there will be a few accidental discharges with inexperienced folks carrying with a round racked. Start 'em off with a nice hammerless five shot .38 and move up from there after we've got them trained.
CC can't happen fast enough here.
5/27/2013 05:31:00 AM
I'd have to agree with you there to. That's a good idea I haven't thought of. They do make a lot of nice compact revolvers now a days that don't represent the ones made in the 80's-90's Plain Jane's. A lot of them look cool, small, and safe. Some even have a locking mechanism on them if you're really worried.
Virtually fool proof and jam proof.
Bravo SCC. Bravo!
Ignorant to you maybe but also what many coppers may be thinking or feeling. You no more represent the CPD than any other working or retired cop. Edit your site all you want pick and choose to post only the comments you don't like or agree with it's your site and therefore your right. As far as cops having a bad day and carrying guns you forget how many suicides we have and gun related domestics and off duty drunk gun incidents? I seem to remember many I handled as a District Sgt.
Guess the laws must have changed didn't know citizens could pull and use their concealed carry guns when somebody steals that iPad or burglarizes their garage. Seems you think so just what we need you giving that impression to the uneducated gun carrying citizen.
Scc
I would have to argue with you here. Most coppurs could give two shits about their pension, or most anything to do with their well being. Nobody shows up for union meetings. We can't even get coppurs to vote when they are sent df addressed envelopes for union reps and the union pres. That's part of the reason out voices are never heard.
Less than an 1/8th of us even vote in general elections. Why do you think we get shit on every single time? They know we can never stick together and be a force to reckon with in a poetical agenda. We have zero unity. Most guys these days are concerned about lining their own pockets with overtime and will throw anyone under the bus to get it. It's a sad sad state of affairs. We will never have any power through the fop or in general. It's a fact. Coppurs are tge best at bitching and tge worst at actually showing up to change something. That's the reason our voice will never matter
5/27/2013 01:19:00 AM
Kindly publish the information that proves less than 1/8 of us don't vote.
Otherwise, stop promoting your blatant lies.
Great post SCC. Well said.
To the author of:
"Here's what I don't get about your stance on this position. Coppers can already carry concealed. So can retirees. Why do you or I care about the rest?"
Evidently, you'll be out of here "in ten minutes".
Good riddance.
I hope it doesn't happen to right minded CPD retirees, but when they start fucking with pensions, I hope they start with people like you first.
You probably don't get it, but when you see the government taking away god given rights of your neighbors and you shrug it off saying, "Coppers can already carry concealed. So can retirees, "Why do you or I care about the rest?", you become a useful idiot that despots need to perfect their totalitarian aims.
The one thing that stands between people like you & tyranny and Americans remaining a land of free people is the fact that, as things exist today in a 2A America, the number of armed Americans exceeds a number of the largest standing armies in the world, combined.
Pre-WWII, after the German people gave up their arms to the National Socialists, circa 1933, Brown Shirts were Hitler's thugs (Homeland Security as it were) who terrorized Germans before Hitler had the Brown Shirt hierarchy murdered and Hitler appointed Himmler's head of the SS which was in charge of exterminating any political opposition and undesirables.
I can't help but thinking if this was 1933 Germany, you would be a charter member of the Brown Shirts.
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People who have grown up hunting and using guns for sport etc will embarrass the average military vet and police officer in weapons proficiency. I was 19 in basic training and we had 17 and 18 yr old guys from Alabama and Mississippi that were shooting the lights out from day one. The well trained vet and cop is a myth that the government (who pretends we are so well trained) and the media perpetuate and the citizens eat it up. We all know cops that shouldn't be allowed to carry weapons.
Holy Smokes, SSC I thank you for posting this. You hit the nail on the head. We are not above the citizens we serve.
Excellent post! Anyone with half a brain knows that a law abiding citizen isn't the problem.
This guy is also a huge part of the negative public opinion of the police, stop treating good, law abiding citizens as criminals and a lot of that "better than thou" perception would go away. It kills me when the residents tell me that "I'm much nicer than other cops" because I act the way everyone should, respectful to others and just generally polite. Obviously, that changes depending on the situation at hand and their attitude. I can be just as big of a dick as anyone else when needed.
How long has the original poster of that comment been gargling Mayor Tutu's ball sack??? Probably way too long! Anyway, great retort, SCC!
Outstanding, SCC!!! Couldn't have said it better myself. GOD bless America, GOD Bless the NRA, and GOD bless our veterans on this Memorial Day!
Anonymous said...
SCC,
Is it possible for a response without insults and ad hominem attacks?
You mean like making a blanket assumption that most cops don't support Concealed Carry because they don't comment on the blog?
Or saying something like "I gots mine, screw everyone else"?
We'll get right on that. In the meantime, a major portion of this blog is our opinion, and our opinion is that the commentator was dead wrong and a poor representation of someone who swore an oath to uphold the laws of Chicago, the Constitution of the State of Illinois and the Constitution of the United States.
The good citizens that need conceal carry the most do not fit the outward look or aspect, as a typical veteran cop may look. They appear as prey. Thats why they need the pocket gun.
I wont let my beautiful wife or daughter get tanks of gas anymore. I take care of it. Hopefully we get costitutional carry in June. It will ease my mind..and cause they both have foid..they can carry.
Where to start with this one....
Anonymous said...
Ignorant to you maybe but also what many coppers may be thinking or feeling. You no more represent the CPD than any other working or retired cop.
We represent us, period. We have never claimed, nor do we ever anticipate claiming the mantle "Voice of the Chicago Cop." Anyone labeling us as such hasn't asked us about it. We reflect and share the views of many cops, but no one has done any research on what percentage it is. If people don't like us, they don't come here, so any sampling of our readership would be skewed anyway.
Edit your site all you want pick and choose to post only the comments you don't like or agree with it's your site and therefore your right.
Gee, thanks for giving us permission to run our site the way we want to. We've been looking for guidance for almost 8 years now - thank god you arrived just in time.
As to our editing, we've had the guidelines posted in the right hand column for a while now, too. 96% of what people submit gets posted - and yes, we keep a running tally.
As far as cops having a bad day and carrying guns you forget how many suicides we have and gun related domestics and off duty drunk gun incidents? I seem to remember many I handled as a District Sgt.
Wow. You lost us there. Police suicides have exactly what to do with citizens carrying concealed to defend themselves and their loved ones? And domestics? Are you talking police domestics or citizens? Because again, there are already laws against domestics - a gun being around doesn't have anything to do with carrying concealed. Same thing with off-duty incidents. There are rules (Rules and Regulations actually) that you ought to be familiar with governing the carrying of a weapon if alcohol is going to be ingested. Again, nothing to do with citizens and their rights, only rules about Officers duties and responsibilities. If this is your idea of a cogent argument, we're going to have to question your claim of being a white shirt.
Guess the laws must have changed didn't know citizens could pull and use their concealed carry guns when somebody steals that iPad or burglarizes their garage. Seems you think so just what we need you giving that impression to the uneducated gun carrying citizen.
Just the knowledge that a potential victim is armed deters a lot of crime. Being confronted by an armed homeowner deters even more.
There are also training provisions - cops undergo hundreds of hours of training along with ::cough cough:: re-qualifying every year. Your "uneducated" citizen will undoubtedly have to undergo a shortened version of training and qualify regularly also. We haven't advocated blasting away at shadows and your contention we have said or typed anything of the sort is puerile.
So what's the real beef? You're frightened of armed law abiding citizens?
...sounds like someone that says hooray for me and screw you.. ever think the rest of society wants the same quality of life..to be able to be protected.
..wow .. this is getting good..
Maybe someone, being afraid of someone, having conservative Republican family values..Don't bode well for Chicago politicians..
That guy sounds like an asshole, and does not represent most STREET Coppers.
Nice SCC, Nice.
Anonymous said...
“Ignorant to you maybe but also what many coppers may be thinking.....”
5/27/2013 02:15:00 PM
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Typical CPD boss! Keep carrying Rahm's water. He will still stick it in your ass when he gets the chance. Your just too much of a tool to realize that.
Scc
I would have to argue with you here. Most coppurs could give two shits about their pension, or most anything to do with their well being. Nobody shows up for union meetings. We can't even get coppurs to vote when they are sent df addressed envelopes for union reps and the union pres. That's part of the reason out voices are never heard.
Less than an 1/8th of us even vote in general elections. Why do you think we get shit on every single time? They know we can never stick together and be a force to reckon with in a poetical agenda. We have zero unity. Most guys these days are concerned about lining their own pockets with overtime and will throw anyone under the bus to get it. It's a sad sad state of affairs. We will never have any power through the fop or in general. It's a fact. Coppurs are tge best at bitching and tge worst at actually showing up to change something. That's the reason our voice will never matter
5/27/2013 01:19:00 AM
Kindly publish the information that proves less than 1/8 of us don't vote.
Otherwise, stop promoting your blatant lies.
5/27/2013 02:20:00 PM
Should have reread my own cut and paste before I posted, but I'm sure you got the drift that I'd like a link to, or proof of, your irrefutable information that shows less than an eighth of us vote.
And, while I'm editing, the original poster should learn how to spell coppers.
The Patrolman welcomes and encourages concealed carry by the upright and very much put-upon citizen.
God gave man the ability to think, reason and protect himself and those he holds dear.
God also gave the man of discernment the ability to protect and defend those who are in genuine need of protecting and defending...
Anyone who seeks to disarm a law abiding citizen is a rank traitor.
There IS sanction for those who commit Treason against the citizens of this Republic.
Great response, and one that I can use when this subject comes up among friends and someone disagrees with CCW in Illinois.
I would also like to ask that poster, wouldn't it have been better if those citizens been armed in Britain when those morons pulled out machetes? In fact, wouldn't it have been better if that poor soldier had been armed?!
To the unpublished ignoramus:
"genetically programmed"? Maybe you'd be more comfortable surfing some of the national socialist websites?
Asshat.
Wow. Way to go, SCC!
first I would like to point out that all that post here and read this blog are NOT police.. they read them because MSM does NOT do it's job and they can get the truth here.. That being said this poster is most likely a private citizen..
Probably a liberal pol from the North shore. Wait that's where Rhambo is from
I remember years ago business owners always carried especially tavern owners, if you stopped them they would tell you right away that they're armed and it was no big deal.
HAWKS! Yes!
Anonymous said...
That's not an ignorant comment just because you and myself disagree with it. It's a valid point that has a valid rational answer.
5/27/2013 01:18:00 AM
You are an idiot, and have no idea what our Constitution means.
Kindly publish the information that proves less than 1/8 of us don't vote.
Otherwise, stop promoting your blatant lies.
5/27/2013 02:20:00 PM
Check the FOP. Less than a quarter of the membership was even registered to vote.
I remember back in 89, My bud who was a security guard at St Marys did'nt want to go alone to take the CPD written exam at lane tech,
So i went with him, To my surprize, There were three catagories of hiring results,
1 Well Qualified
2 Qualified
3 low Qualified but needed to be hired, THE ( Politicaly correct ) the lotto winners
I believe the poster fits in category 3
I would like to say that I went to the NRA convention in Houston. I attended the Leadership conference. Guest Speakers, Sarah Palin, Gov Jindal, Gov Perry, Presidential contender Rick Santorum, and a whole bunch of other big name speakers. Several hundred people in the audience. Texas is a CC state, when I asked a Houston PO if a problem with carrying my gun past security, he said "this is Texas, guns are legal here." No security to get in and nobody got shot. Maybe it is only Democrats that worry about getting shot by their citizens. Keep up the fight SCC.
Retired CPD
5/27/2013 10:29:00 AM
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In the sanctuary City of Chicago, the powers that be are well aware of the domestic and undocumented shitbirds which they have allowed to come in to the city and to create havoc.
That's why the Chicago politicos pretend they don't want consealed carry in Cook County.
To the rational thinking citizen, it's s a perverted logic.
Coddle the shitbird & then have laws the shitbird isn't going to follow? What's the point?
The opposition to consealed carry is a ploy in so far as the Cook County combine does not want to let the crisis they created go to waste.
They want to dupe the people of Cook County in to thinking they are being protected from the imported alpha-shitbirds, the drivers of the elevated killings while the the Cook County foie gras brigade uses the crisis to repeal the Second Amendment of the Bill of Rights and strip citizens of their g-d given right to protect themselves.
Don't be brainwashed.
I'm a police officer and honesty i didn't know exactly where i stood on this issue. I think an armed populus has good and bad points ( Europe for example is not like the US where we are pro gun but has a substantially less violent crime rate) ...however in our country, state and in particular Chicago it seems the bad guy has the upper hand ( he can be rest assured that his next victim won't be armed unless they are the police ) all that being said , SCC i have to say that was an EXCELLENT well thought articulate rebuttal and you have put the gears in motion for me being assured where i stand. ..pro concealed carry
SCC, I don't even know why you bother with these idiotic comments--the original posters of the ignorant comments are too stupid to understand your responses. Must be hard to run this blog day in and day out though! Thanks for all you do!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Kindly publish the information that proves less than 1/8 of us don't vote.
Otherwise, stop promoting your blatant lies.
5/27/2013 02:20:00 PM
Check the FOP. Less than a quarter of the membership was even registered to vote.
5/28/2013 12:51:00 AM
Hearsay. DOCUMENT your assertion.
You are the BEST SCC.
You and all of law enforcement that believes in and defends the second ammendment.
One of the things to be taken into consideration is the societal values of the population. Chicago is awash in blood not because of firearms, but because of a culture that has no value for human life. Those people who do value human life, should not be disarmed because of the actions of those who would descend into barbarity. I doubt concealed carry will have much affect on crime in Chicago, but at least the innocent will have some degree of protection.
Well we probably wont get any kind of real CCW law in Illinois anyway. cullerton must have worked overtime this weekend putting together HB183. Got an alert last night. Looks like it will go to a sneaky vote today. But on a happy note I received my Smart Caryy deep concealment holster friday and its real comfortable. best I have tried. So now I can take my kids to the museums again.
OUTSTANDING! Your reply to that policeman is right on target.
Hay I'm in Texas, support the police 100 percent, and pack to (I'm in a McDonalds now drinking coffee and have my 340Sc .357.
Am I having a bad day? No. Do I get in a bad day so angry I'd take out someone? NO.
Three cheers 2nd City Cop. You see the light but others just don't want to see.
Anonymous said...
Kindly publish the information that proves less than 1/8 of us don't vote.
Otherwise, stop promoting your blatant lies.
5/27/2013 02:20:00 PM
Check the FOP. Less than a quarter of the membership was even registered to vote.
5/28/2013 12:51:00 AM
This is true. No more than 25% of our membership is registered to vote. It wasn't published because it is embarrassing. Go to a meeting and ask one or more of the elected officers. Out of that pitiful small number, maybe 30% vote. That's 30% of 25%. very small voter turnout. No wonder a few inbred Irish from the 11th and 19th Ward can elect our leaders for us. They turn out to vote there.
Very well said. Thank you and all who serve
Anonymous said...
SCC,
Is it possible for a response without insults and ad hominem attacks?
You mean like making a blanket assumption that most cops don't support Concealed Carry because they don't comment on the blog?
Or saying something like "I gots mine, screw everyone else"?
We'll get right on that. In the meantime, a major portion of this blog is our opinion, and our opinion is that the commentator was dead wrong and a poor representation of someone who swore an oath to uphold the laws of Chicago, the Constitution of the State of Illinois and the Constitution of the United States.
5/27/2013 04:35:00 PM
Once again you have scored "Expert" in the point missing competition.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Kindly publish the information that proves less than 1/8 of us don't vote.
Otherwise, stop promoting your blatant lies.
5/27/2013 02:20:00 PM
Check the FOP. Less than a quarter of the membership was even registered to vote.
5/28/2013 12:51:00 AM
Hearsay. DOCUMENT your assertion.
5/28/2013 06:28:00 AM
Fuck off, "counselor." Do your own damned research. And go get your shine box while you're at it.
SCC hits it out of the park. To the "us vs. them" elitist, you could use some soul searching. And maybe some remedial study on that pesky old document called the Constitution.
[Sworn Chicago police officers take the following oath: “I . . .{name} . . . having been appointed to the office of
Police Officer, City of Chicago, do solemnly swear that I will support the Constitution of the United States and the
Constitution of the State of Illinois and that I will faithfully discharge the duties of the office of Police Officer,
according to the best of my abilities.”]
http://chicagoinspectorgeneral.org/, August 2012 Report of the inspector general's office.
BTW - best shots in the national shooting schools I've attended (Ayoob, Cirillo, etc.) have all been cops. Worst shots in the same classes? cops. Not that proficiency and "magic ninja super hero powers of the badge" should have any bearing on the right of self protection.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Kindly publish the information that proves less than 1/8 of us don't vote.
Otherwise, stop promoting your blatant lies.
5/27/2013 02:20:00 PM
Check the FOP. Less than a quarter of the membership was even registered to vote.
5/28/2013 12:51:00 AM
Hearsay. DOCUMENT your assertion.
5/28/2013 06:28:00 AM
Fuck off, "counselor." Do your own damned research. And go get your shine box while you're at it.
5/28/2013 10:09:00 PM
Nah, I'm not an attorney. I'm the police and I value facts, not hyperbole and drama queens.
You can 'cite' whatever bullshit numbers you want to pull out of your hat and claim they're the truth. But, when someone says, 'prove it', you stick your fingers in your ears and act like a seven yr old and say, fuck off? Grow the hell up.
Kindly publish the information that proves less than 1/8 of us don't vote.
Otherwise, stop promoting your blatant lies.
5/27/2013 02:20:00 PM
are you claiming that more than 7/8th's of us do vote?
This is true. No more than 25% of our membership is registered to vote. It wasn't published because it is embarrassing. Go to a meeting and ask one or more of the elected officers. Out of that pitiful small number, maybe 30% vote. That's 30% of 25%. very small voter turnout. No wonder a few inbred Irish from the 11th and 19th Ward can elect our leaders for us. They turn out to vote there.
Great point. Go to a meeting and ask one or more of our FOP elected officers. Yea, like they know anything and would never lie. Half the shit you hear at the meetings are lies. I know Mikey always tells the truth
You rule SCC. All cops should be like you.
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