More FTO's
In an effort to alleviate the current crop of FTO's riding around with two recruits each - and sometimes more - the Department announced a list of 63 people eligible to accept or turn down the FTO position. They have to reply by Friday and report for duty the day after Memorial Day.
We'll have to see how many accept the most thankless job (but most necessary) the Department has to offer.
Good luck.
We'll have to see how many accept the most thankless job (but most necessary) the Department has to offer.
Good luck.
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
77 Comments:
funny thing is that they already turned it down. why would they take it 1 month after turning it down?
Don't do it! Riding around with two and three PPO's who have no clue and have been brainwashed by the academy to be scared of everything hasn't been an enjoyable experience. I'm thinking about giving up the position
Don't fall for it. I just asked my DC to go back to my old car. They had me with 2, sometimes 3 PPOs at one time. There is not way these kids are gonna learn anything when you can't dedicate enough time to them everyday. Even if all 63 people eligible took the spot, there still will never be a 1:1 ratio. Especially with more classes in the making.
Then they want you, the FTO, to do 2 or 3 DORs a day but only pay you for one. No thanks. The city and department got over on us again. Would you do 2 or 3 times the work for the price of one job anywhere else? Would you pay full price for something and only take half or a third of what you paid for? Doesn't make much sense does it?
They just keep taking and taking and don't realize that more and more of us have figured out their endgame. They're asking us to do more and more, but have no intention of honoring their promise of our pension and screwing the retirees on health care. They can kiss my ass, this was the last straw. I signed up to try and make a difference to A new recruit. ONE AT A TIME BECAUSE THEY DESERVE THAT MUCH. But the city and our great department have once again taken advantage of us. And asking 63 more to take the bait is just anothe slap in the face.
Hey! Whatever happened to the Chicago Police Puppets videos from YouTube? They were awesome! About time for some more!
Gee maybe one can take Gary around and show him how to be the real police.
Congrats to the new batch of FTO'S. SO FAR, SO GOOD!!!!
im thinking 15 to 20 will do it
They had this planned because someone finally got it through DOWNTOWN'S thick skull...That if you do something for someone they will do something for you..wow..what a concept ..anyway..Good luck...There were still 10 openings on the north side.....in slow ass, do nothing, districts.,....I only hope that the ones that took the test actually take it seriously and teach the new ones......PLEASE PLEASE do your job..It is the least you can do..When your lazy ass doesn't want to do anything, you need them to do it...Please keep them safe physically, emotionally, and financially....Teach them...that is your job....God bless...
we need a class of evidence technicians!!
A good FTO can shape an entire career of worker or dog. I give credit to those that will will accept the responsiblity it entails. (sorry for spelling)
When is the next group of Captains getting promoted?
We in 011 2nd watch would like a heads up so we can organize our party for getting rid of our current LT.
I donno, some of the ones already out there seem to be dim bulbs.
I would only say - and it doesn't mean I think it's right - but in the private sector- even for entry level jobs and menial jobs- people are being asked/told to do two or three different jobs or they are let go... And no extra pay either.
The city just doesn't fucking get it!
They are lucky that they got the ones they did to go through with being FTO's. And then, AGAIN, the city changes the rules, and says - now you will have to train two or three at a time.
And yet again - You will not get paid for doing the additional DOR's.
And AGAIN - hey, you are not going to be changed from 9161 to 9164 for a while, so drop an out of grade slip (read as, you will only get FTO pay on days you are working, and with PPO's).
And for the PO's who get assigned to work with PPO's, the city has a message for you, to wit - You will no longer get OUT OF GRADE pay.
Anyone who has ever worn the uniform KNOWS how fucked up this policy is.....still, there are officers who are going along with it.
No doubt, those assholes who decided to make these changes to the program (and those bosses who have allowed it to be practiced)should be strapped down naked, in the center of the main field at 26/Cal, for the inmates to all have a turn.
Having said that, even a whore will not allow the John to pay her 1/2 price, for twice the agreed upon services.
You FTO's had better talk to each other, ALL have a meeting with the FOP boys, and ALL decide upon a course of action to correct this bullshit. WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS! TAKE A FUCKING STAND! Teach ALL OF US something! (and hopefully, not that we will smile while they fuck us in the ass).
"...ten openings on the north side...in do nothing slow-ass districts..."
Please let the record reflect that I did not post this.
Doesn't mean that I don't agree, I just didn't post it.
They need to make it D2A then folks would do it. They dangled that carrot for me a few years back. What a waste of my time. I am so glad I gave it up after the last fiasco when they moved us around. I resigned it. Two more years then I retire from this job.
Hell, just pack all those newbies in a 12 or 15 passenger van with one FTO, that will work, so they think? Then set them loose in englewood on foot patrol and use the van to pick p the bodies. Nice job Rahm and Gary.
How are you going to teach recruits in Districts where nothing happens? I have seen recruits who have gone through the whole training cycle and never wrote a report or arrest for drugs or firearms. A recruit trained in 020 or 016 is not as experienced as a recruit trained in 015, 003, 007 or 009!Offer the FTO's a real benefit package, such as a specific number of points on Promotional Exams, or Specialized Unit Assignments after service as an FTO. The FTO program had its origin as a "Reward" for those who had served as Temp Sergeants in the late 60's early 70's, when the Federal Court, (Judge Marshall) The Program was copied from California.
Hate to say it but if they offer another FTO test that may be the only way to make a move in this God forsaken hell hole of a Department.
Sgt test would be another way to make a move but not to discourage - even though this will be the biggest turnout of officers taking the test. Record number of officers taken study groups not to mention the "inside circle" who will get the clout copy.
Detective test should be announced late 2014 or even early 2015.
Swat test. Ummmmmmmm. If you didn't take the first 2 tests shame on you. That was probably the best, legit test to take. (At least the J-Fed one)
Marine test that was "rumored" to happen in August/September is now cancelled. Rightfully so. We are so short handed instead of expanding clout units they actually may be getting downsized. Which leads into the next issue...VRI.
VRI is deminishing and bodies will need to be shifted. PPO footposts all ready started. Expect tact teams, gang teams, anyone else to be "in uniform" this summer. You know, to give the "illusion".
Retirees: expect to see a mass exit of officers retiring this year. The most at one time in CPD history.
It's down right embarrassing to see the F.T.O. 'S in their "Family Trucksters". I used to read my kids a book called the CLOWN AROUNDS about a Clown Family vacation, which is frighteningly close to what I see everyday.
to 2.49am,,,,those slow ass districts are the best places to train a PPO the nuts and bolts of this job. An FTO is able to take the proper amount of time to explain an AR report, name checks, complaints, upgrades, traffic reports, etc. instead of being hounded by a Supervisor to get back on the street because of the backlog
ONE AT A TIME BECAUSE THEY DESERVE THAT MUCH. But the city and our great department have once again taken advantage of us. And asking 63 more to take the bait is just anothe slap in the face.
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You have a hard time teaching three people that want to be there... the city is asking teachers to raise test scores or be fired while they throw 32-38 at them. 50-60% of these kids don't want to be there. Span of control is optimal at 4-7 ratio. Teach these new ppo's and stfu!
I was in the last class. So far so good no complaints.
When I went on they handed me a beat map and a radio and told me to go to work. Granted thing's are different today but I wouldn't want the responsibility.
What good is an FTO when the desk dolly making the roster ends up placing you on a box (mission car) for most of your cycles watching the same a-holes walk by every day ...wtf...the FTO program needs to lay out some guidelines for the districts. Rapid cars could give them the best overall training experience answering calls. But whadda I know !!!
The FTO position does not pay enough. Increase the pay, and you will get officers to fight for the position.
Risk=Reward
America
funny thing is that they already turned it down. why would they take it 1 month after turning it down?
DUH, because they can bid into districts they never thought they could get into and the last time they read all the doomsdayers that wrote on the blog that they would be sent to 007 and 011
I think I'm going to drink some of the Kool-Aid and give this a shot. Wish me luck ladies and gents!!!
What happens to the FTO'd after the academy empties out and the 600 Rahm promised to hire are throught with the academy. That will be in a short period of time. and who knows it could be a lengthy period of time before they hire again or hire at least on this scale
What number are they on for evidence techs????
Then they want you, the FTO, to do 2 or 3 DORs a day but only pay you for one. No thanks. The city and department got over on us again. Would you do 2 or 3 times the work for the price of one job anywhere else? Would you pay full price for something and only take half or a third of what you paid for? Doesn't make much sense does it?
They just keep taking and taking and don't realize that more and more of us have figured out their endgame. They're asking us to do more and more, but have no intention of honoring their promise of our pension and screwing the retirees on health care. They can kiss my ass, this was the last straw. I signed up to try and make a difference to A new recruit. ONE AT A TIME BECAUSE THEY DESERVE THAT MUCH. But the city and our great department have once again taken advantage of us. And asking 63 more to take the bait is just anothe slap in the face.
5/24/2013 12:34:00 AM
And this surprises you? You were warned by fto's who were fucked over a few years ago. You were warned again a few moths ago before you took the test. You were warned again before you accepted the position. Yet you took it anyway. And guess what? Several others will take it too and still bitch about it.
WE need FTOS in 001 and 018.Learn how to do Shoplifters real Police work.
Don't do it! Riding around with two and three PPO's who have no clue and have been brainwashed by the academy to be scared of everything hasn't been an enjoyable experience. I'm thinking about giving up the position
5/24/2013 12:12:00 AM
This is the exact reason we NEED good FTOs. We need guys who use to work in tact, gangs, on incident cars or just good workers who on the watch to step up and be FTOs. Im not talking about dropping your spot where your at now... Im talking about the guys who when they were younger worked in these spots. But, as time went buy they slowed down and got tired of the "dope game" etc. Sure, these guys dont want to do much anymore but there is a huge difference... These guys know how to be the police. They know how to talk to the shithead. They know how to lock somebody up, follow up on something, what to do at a shooting, and how to stop people. They know how to articulate properly for a quality arrest/case report. Im not saying its suppose to be a "kick ass take names" fto but i know that during training you will need some of these. People need to step up. I left gangs about a year ago. I was getting older and just tired of the run around. It was a great unit with great people but I was able to leave and get a car on days and im pretty happy. I wish I would have taken the FTO test because it is something that I would be interested in doing. We need people who will teach these guys how to do things right and to unbrainwash these kids from the academy crap.
Im going to 18 district to eat good food, deal with normal people enjoy the nice things the city has to offer and oh yeah be an FTO and have someone drive me to all these locations!!! And a bump in paycheck this is a win win
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I would only say - and it doesn't mean I think it's right - but in the private sector- even for entry level jobs and menial jobs- people are being asked/told to do two or three different jobs or they are let go... And no extra pay either.
5/24/2013 07:34:00 AM
The difference is, if someone counts the wrong number of paper clips, nobody dies.
These are inexperienced police officers with guns and a lot of enthusiasm but no experience.
They, and the city they will serve for the next twenty to thirty years, deserve to be properly trained. Training doesn't stop when they walk out of the Academy, all shiny and new. As a matter of fact, it STARTS when they walk out of the Academy, all shiny and new.
To 9:29am
I was sent to 014 out the academy. Right before getting off status I was sent to 003 and felt like a ppo all over again. Well in theory what you said sounds good. It just doesn't work.
Do it for the ppos
You folks are completely missing the point here, and you're telling the putz he's worked you exactly the way he wanted to.
What you're all missing is that Emanuel's sole intent with his latest round of bullshit here with the FTO's is that it's just a part of his intent to create several unit/district positions whereby he will attempt to use them against the rest of us during contract negotiations. What is going to happen is that all these units and positions are going to be deemed "special" in that only THEY will be able to receive what is now called "duty availability", which will be renamed to something else so that it appears to be more related to any idiot on this job willing to sell his soul for bullshit rather than a term applicable to ALL police officers.
You heard it here first folks:
Duty Availability will be held against all those who haven't given up contractual rights and all those newly minted fools in the last year or so will be pitted against the rest of us so they can get that little spiff check that just got a new name.
Watch for it. Expect the FOP to sell out the majority of patrol who sit in beat cars every day and attempt to sell this turd to all PO's.
Emanuel's intent is to cause more war amongst the police. Renaming Duty Availability to something he can control, as in kicking people out of units or positions which will demand that pay premium is his true goal. What will happen is that during the summer, all the hair gels will get shit on for ghetto details and voluntary shift changes because they've given up their rights, and only THEY will get the checks. Then when summer is over, those people will be shit on back to their units and they will lose that check, and then NO ONE will be getting it.
See how that works kids? Play along with Mr. Shithead and you'll be voting against your fellow officer for a thousand bucks a year or so more.... and you thought you were upping your resume...HAHAHAHAHA!
The FTO program is a complete joke. These kids are better off bouncing around then sitting in the backseat of a fancy new explorer. And let's face it, the FTOs are not exactly the best and brightest of the Department, at least on the North Side.
Anonymous said... Don't do it! Riding around with two and three PPO's who have no clue and have been brainwashed by the academy to be scared of everything hasn't been an enjoyable experience. I'm thinking about giving up the position
Instead of saying let's teach these guys the same way someone taught you. Yeah you should give up the position.
I guess FTO should be recieveing D2A pay if they are training 2 or 3 PPO's.
The FTO's can learn the fine are of cut and paste narratives.
ie. My recruits has trouble going down one way streets...
Keep up the great work FTOs! How many recruits can you fit in a passenger van?
Anonymous said...
A good FTO can shape an entire career of worker or dog. I give credit to those that will will accept the responsiblity it entails. (sorry for spelling)
5/24/2013 05:11:00 AM
The truest words ever said. Have seen the of the best and worst FTO's on this job. The best actually will watch over and teach recruits what they need to know. Worked with recruits when no FTO's were available. Taught them how to cover their asses and do the job right. Not be a lazy half assed dog. I can say that even doing it on and off it is not an easy job. Face it, you have to watch your own back on calls and make sure the recruit is safe. Different than working with a partner who knows the job and has your back. Also harder than working 99. All you have to do is watch out for yourself. To the dedicated FTO's, you deserve a hell of alot more respect and backing than you get. You are the ones shaping our future PO's on this department. You can sure as hell tell when a PO had a great FTO. I would never put up with the headaches the FTO's get.
A 25 year PO, who has been a Detective for 12 years.
You were warned by fto's who were fucked over a few years ago. You were warned again a few moths ago before you took the test. You were warned again before you accepted the position. Yet you took it anyway. And guess what? Several others will take it too and still bitch about it.
So if I'm following you correctly, you're saying they were warned. No?
To 5/24/2013 09:29:00 AM.
I trained in a faster district. I learned more in 8 weeks at the time, than anyone working in a slow district. In 8 weeks we handled multiple homicides, PSMV's, Agg Batts, Man with gun calls with arrests and recovered guns, Armed robberies, Domestics up the rear, and every other call imaginable. Not knocking slow districts, if there are any, but the best training is in a fast district. You get a taste of everything. That training allows you to be able to work anywhere in the city and have knowledge of anything thrown at you. Most PO's that learned in fast districts you can tell right away.
Put the Lt in charge of the Fugitive unit and watch the FTO program really flounder. At least he'll be out of our hair.
Still so many ignorant posts here. Ftos do get 45mins per ppo each day and the pay is salaried. Whether or not you have a ppo your getting paid. If u train 2 ppos a day that 1.50 hours on a ot slip. Im making big bucks. The 22nd gets me 800 bucks after taxes. A ppo can learn Lot in a slower district. Thise hair gels in fast districts write paper like forest gump. Nothside dist can allow them to take their time and actually write court worthy paper and become well versed in a broad area of law enforcement. Fast districts master dope domestics and shootings. Bid north and you have no clue how to do a missing or a actual domestic case report. Please stop showing how stupid you are until you know first hand what a fto and the program is all about.
Its good to train in slow district but new people do need some exposure to the animal element thats out there. You cant sir/mam the bad element ! they will eat you alive.
How about having a recruit spending four weeks in a ghetto district and four weeks in a slow district ?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Im going to 18 district to eat good food, deal with normal people enjoy the nice things the city has to offer and oh yeah be an FTO and have someone drive me to all these locations!!! And a bump in paycheck this is a win win
5/24/2013 02:03:00 PM
Pssst, Garry, you're not an FTO.
To: City does'nt get it: The FTO'S had a meeting a few months ago with Rich A. with the FLOP. We got free pizza and smoke up our asses. The city says they have to put PPO's with FTO'S and thats what their doing. The contrat state we get paid the 1/2 hour for paperwork. But if your smart and give each of your PPO the benefit of 1/2 of your critique time figure it out guys.
Still so many ignorant posts here. Ftos do get 45mins per ppo each day and the pay is salaried. Whether or not you have a ppo your getting paid. If u train 2 ppos a day that 1.50 hours on a ot slip. Im making big bucks. The 22nd gets me 800 bucks after taxes. A ppo can learn Lot in a slower district. Thise hair gels in fast districts write paper like forest gump. Nothside dist can allow them to take their time and actually write court worthy paper and become well versed in a broad area of law enforcement. Fast districts master dope domestics and shootings. Bid north and you have no clue how to do a missing or a actual domestic case report. Please stop showing how stupid you are until you know first hand what a fto and the program is all about.
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You have the FTO program all figured out, but have zero clue about what "court worthy paper" entails. You will get homicides, sex offenses, arsons etc TENFOLD in faster districts. Having worked BOTH I can honestly say that slow districts are nicknamed RETIREMENT districts for a reason. Been in a slow Dist for 5 years now and haven't written a single homicide case report but I could pump one out in no time because I had so many in my last Dist. I feel so bad for the young guys in my Dist cause they never had the chance to experince serious shit on a regular basis like they would in a fast Dist. Sounds to me like you were always in a slow Dist and are trying to save face.
Anonymous said...
Still so many ignorant posts here. Ftos do get 45mins per ppo each day and the pay is salaried. Whether or not you have a ppo your getting paid. If u train 2 ppos a day that 1.50 hours on a ot slip. Im making big bucks. The 22nd gets me 800 bucks after taxes. A ppo can learn Lot in a slower district. Thise hair gels in fast districts write paper like forest gump. Nothside dist can allow them to take their time and actually write court worthy paper and become well versed in a broad area of law enforcement. Fast districts master dope domestics and shootings. Bid north and you have no clue how to do a missing or a actual domestic case report. Please stop showing how stupid you are until you know first hand what a fto and the program is all about.
5/24/2013 09:39:00 PM
Yep, and learn how to be a dog ass and stay down on jobs. Go walk east until your hat floats.
Im a detective and i know this much. Ftos deserve D2A pay, plain and simple
Another FTO from the last class here: We had a phenomenal group in the last class, a great mix of experience. And we all believe in the position and the role. It has not been easy to ride around with TWO first-cycle PPOs--it's been exhausting, in fact--but I signed up to do it because someone has to take responsibility for trying to somehow get the Dept. back on track and its starts with all the new PPOs Maybe that's overly idealistic, but some of us are really trying.
And enough of the blind and abject negativity. Sure, we know the Dept. created this situation--they hired and promoted virtually no one for years. But at least the cycle has started up again. There will need to be adjustment and patience as we all figure out how to train and where to put all these new PPOs. In the big picture, it's a good problem to have.
Homicide reports are difficult!
Well slow and fast districts the sad thing is an initial homicide report will have very little info.
Now talk to me about a worthless document report. I know the victim does not have the paper work you cannot give a report.
But keep on believing that those general offense case report are great PPo beware the Chicago case report is a joke.
to 9:39 pm
Wrong.
they DO NOT get 45 min per PPO, they only get 30, regardless of how many PPO's they have.
Wrong again.
The pay IS NOT salaried. They are not yet changed to title code 9164. They have to do an out-of-grade slip.
What you are describing in your post is how the program USED TO WORK...The city decided to change that, because the city felt like changing it.
Do you see the problem yet?
HR under Tracy Ladner screwed this program again. She publishes a notice on Wednesday evening announcing the new class. Officers have less than 48 hours to respond. If the officer was day off Tues, Wednesday or Thursday, there were not notified. Why such a short notice to the officers? Why publish the notice on a week day evening? Tracy, how about showing some professional courtesy and making the announcement on a Monday morning, so those involved are properly notified and have time to make the decision? As a result of your incompetence Tracy, I heard around 8-10 officers accepted the promotion for next Tuesday. McCarthy states he is a poor administrator who surrounds himself with competent personnel? Really? Tracy Ladner competent?
Another FTO from the last class here: We had a phenomenal group in the last class, a great mix of experience. And we all believe in the position and the role. It has not been easy to ride around with TWO first-cycle PPOs--it's been exhausting, in fact--but I signed up to do it because someone has to take responsibility for trying to somehow get the Dept. back on track and its starts with all the new PPOs Maybe that's overly idealistic, but some of us are really trying.
And enough of the blind and abject negativity. Sure, we know the Dept. created this situation--they hired and promoted virtually no one for years. But at least the cycle has started up again. There will need to be adjustment and patience as we all figure out how to train and where to put all these new PPOs. In the big picture, it's a good problem to have.
Very well said. And the exact attitude a FTO working with new recruits should have. We play the cards we're dealt. The negativity does no one any good. Glad there are coppers like you taking these spots.
I agree, FTO's deserve d2a. Thank the fop that you aren't getting it. The city was willing to give it a few years ago but the fop refused to ask for it ....
FTO is an important job, maybe the most important job. Thankless, yes, but important none the less!!
I would say THANK YOU to all those who chose to become FTO's and especially to those who choose to do the job right and teach the recruits how to do the job right
Why so much whining!!
The absolute point behind the FTO program
Is to service our freshly minted brothers and
sisters. The money is not worth
the additional frustration, I don't expect to become rich
from being an FTO. What I do want and hope to incrementally accomplish is death to dog asses!! I work in a busy district and I am sick of these fat, VRI fluffed dogs, that in some cases are too preoccupied with their smart phone, to adequately guard a prisoner. Why the f@ck did you get on the job, if all you have ever want to do is station assignments. Why not service the people of your community!!! CPD is not you part-time!! Grow up and become professional this is not a job, it's a calling!!
Maybe some of you can't hear a call to valor, what you hear is the call of the feral pig in heat. I hate some of these lazy do nuthings! why wouldn't I want to work with someone who has yet to be tainted with the dreaded CPD dog ass disease so prevalent in even these busy districts. Call me an idealist but I became a police officer to serve the community I'm from, not steal a check from it. Maybe you dummy's should save your criticism for a less public forum, we are weakening our stance as public servants and first responders, by so frequently whining in public. FTO hard ass out!!!
.....When is the next group of Captains getting promoted?.....
You mean appointed. Just as soon as all the phone calls and money transfers are completed.
Anonymous said...
Still so many ignorant posts here. Ftos do get 45mins per ppo each day and the pay is salaried. Whether or not you have a ppo your getting paid. If u train 2 ppos a day that 1.50 hours on a ot slip. Im making big bucks. The 22nd gets me 800 bucks after taxes. A ppo can learn Lot in a slower district. Thise hair gels in fast districts write paper like forest gump. Nothside dist can allow them to take their time and actually write court worthy paper and become well versed in a broad area of law enforcement. Fast districts master dope domestics and shootings. Bid north and you have no clue how to do a missing or a actual domestic case report. Please stop showing how stupid you are until you know first hand what a fto and the program is all about.
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Thank you FTOs for all that you do.
"but I signed up to do it because someone has to take responsibility for trying to somehow get the Dept. back on track and its starts with all the new PPOs Maybe that's overly idealistic, but some of us are really trying. "
It's not overly simplistic, it's naïve.
Since when has it ever been the lowly PO's job to fix this fucked up department? We didn't fuck it up, and it's not our job to unfuck it, especially when all those who DID fuck it up are working against you to KEEP it fucked up.
Don't be naïve. You're merely falling for the bullshit and taking on a responsibility that ain't yours.
Let those who fucked it up and continue to fuck it up deal with the mess they made.
It's THEIR responsibility and THEIR fault. And it's not ours to fix.
And don't worry, you'll be blamed for it's failure anyways.
"Nothside dist can allow them to take their time and actually write court worthy paper and become well versed in a broad area of law enforcement."
Yeah, at the phenomenal rate of at best, 3 worthy cases in their 18 months.
But I guess when they get that award for finding a few stolen bikes in a garage you'll show them how to shake hands with the scumbag mayor and smile purty.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
A good FTO can shape an entire career of worker or dog. I give credit to those that will will accept the responsiblity it entails. (sorry for spelling)
5/24/2013 05:11:00 AM
The truest words ever said. Have seen the of the best and worst FTO's on this job. The best actually will watch over and teach recruits what they need to know. Worked with recruits when no FTO's were available. Taught them how to cover their asses and do the job right. Not be a lazy half assed dog. I can say that even doing it on and off it is not an easy job. Face it, you have to watch your own back on calls and make sure the recruit is safe. Different than working with a partner who knows the job and has your back. Also harder than working 99. All you have to do is watch out for yourself. To the dedicated FTO's, you deserve a hell of alot more respect and backing than you get. You are the ones shaping our future PO's on this department. You can sure as hell tell when a PO had a great FTO. I would never put up with the headaches the FTO's get.
A 25 year PO, who has been a Detective for 12 years.
5/24/2013 07:16:00 PM
ehhh, not so much. Any smart person can be trained to do all the work, but you're not going to engrain ethic into someone who's already 21 years or older.
Not to mention, all those smart folks who learn quickly also learn quickly what a fucking waste of time all this shit is. They learn real quick how their hard work means nothing. They learn real quick that the city doesn't want people making OT in court, so the system is gamed against them.
Smart folks learn from smart coppers. Then they form their own opinions, and if they're truly smart, they learn quick that CPD, Crook County Illinois is a bullshit place to work.
The smartest things these PPO's can do is learn what they can from a fast district here, then get the fuck out of Crook County and try to find a somewhat legit department to work for. Maybe there their work has value.
I was in the last class. I don't understand the complaints of 2-3 ppo's at one time. You get paid 45 min per ppo per day!! And we only waited ONE pay period before 9164 kicked in. We drive in brand new cars where everything works and doesn't smell like old hot ketchup mixed w armpit. I'm getting paid extra money, 1.5 hrs ot daily and I moved from a shit district to a sweeeeet district!!! WIN WIN WIN!!. Lastly, they REALLY are so ready to be molded. They're afraid, naive and want guidance. I NEVER wanted to be an Fto. But honestly it has been great. I feel dedicated to them. They need me and they need others who will take them under their wing and train them. And I am in a slower district now w not many calls but self initiated work works everywhere. I wasn't sure about this FTO thing but its been great. If u don't want to do it, don't. But don't knock those of us who do.
"That training allows you to be able to work anywhere in the city and have knowledge of anything thrown at you''
And then you get the DUI with or with out crash victims that may be dead or about to die and no one is around help and time is ticking cause times are crucial in a DUI. Or the bonifide CSA with an actual real victim and not some ghetto ass caper MR I can tell you are from fast district.
"And enough of the blind and abject negativity. Sure, we know the Dept. created this situation--they hired and promoted virtually no one for years. But at least the cycle has started up again. There will need to be adjustment and patience as we all figure out how to train and where to put all these new PPOs. In the big picture, it's a good problem to have.
5/25/2013 03:58:00 AM"
Well said. People bitched,pissed& moaned there weren't any FTOS. For years you had POs a day off probation paired up recruits,now the program is barely off the ground, & guess what? People still bitch piss& moan. Either put some skin in the game or STFU
Please post the best FTOs names and what district they work.
To 8:12am
You are wrong. We are paid per ppo per day and 9164 kicked in may 16.
Well said. People bitched,pissed& moaned there weren't any FTOS. For years you had POs a day off probation paired up recruits,now the program is barely off the ground, & guess what? People still bitch piss& moan. Either put some skin in the game or STFU
Seems that is all the CPD is bitch or at least most of the ones on the blogs Never satisfied or can be pleased
As a result of your incompetence Tracy, I heard around 8-10 officers accepted the promotion for next Tuesday. McCarthy states he is a poor administrator who surrounds himself with competent personnel? Really? Tracy Ladner competent?
I'm not sure McCarthy has much to say about Ladner. This is Chicago and its a time honored tradition for city hall to place people they owe favors to on the CPD
I really feel bad for the poor PPO's. they have to ride with one of the following: a dogass who is bitter about everything, or with someone who just wants to exist and spends hours of the tour sitting in a 7-11 reading magazines. or with 2young hotshots that are trying to impress the PPO. It is not the PPO's fault regardless of what we say . This Job is failing these Poor kids.
If you took the FTO position, you get what you deserve. If you didn't know that the dept was going to stick it in your ass for a few more cents an hour, then you're a moosh.
Good luck and enjoy!!!
So our DSS tells us today that if there aren't enough FTO's for all the recruits we have, they are to be put with Sergeants, or on the desk.
They are NOT to work with a PO who has the ability to actually teach them something because they city knows they would lose the grievance by not paying the 'acting' FTO's.
So stick them in the corner of the desk and let them play on their phone all day, or drive around with a Sgt and learn how to not listen to the radio. Win. Win.
If I were on the desk, I certainly would not be showing them anything or answering any of their questions. If you aren't paying an acting FTO on the street, I wouldn't be an acting FTO on the desk. Sad part is a GOOD desk crew can teach you A LOT about the inner workings. Sorry, nothing personal PPO's, but this is the way the city wants to run its business.
Pay whoever is working with them, everyone has something to teach whether good or bad.
And to the guy that was talking about recruits working with those just off of probation, yup we did that, and guess what? We figured it out and made it work.
And to the guy that was talking about recruits working with those just off of probation, yup we did that, and guess what? We figured it out and made it work.
Thats the way it used to work and we all made it.
One thing that seems to be missing today, in most cases, is the Sgts input. When I came on the Sgt looked out for you, put you with the right po and tried to guide you. He also was there to teach you.
Seems today more and more sgts. want to mess with the recruits and young po's to show them they are the boss
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