Firefighters Sue
- A group of Chicago firefighters has hired a lawyer in anticipation of a possible legal challenge to a city hiring policy that will give graduates of Chicago public high schools an advantage in an upcoming Fire Department exam.
The firefighters say the preferential hiring practice that will affect the December exam should be extended to all Chicago residents, including those who, like the children of many firefighters and city workers, attended private high schools. Their legal fight is funded by a $20,000 donation from Firefighters Union Local 2.
The situation points to the competing political constituencies Mayor Rahm Emanuel faces as he approaches his re-election bid in February. Emanuel doesn’t want to anger firefighters, especially so soon after announcing a new contract with the union that was passed overwhelmingly by rank-and-file firefighters and the City Council. He also is loath to pick a fight with voters who choose private schools for their children, among them many of the city workers who are required to live in Chicago.
You mean city workers like....Rahm Emanuel? Those kinds of people sending their kids to private schools? It's kind of weird how democrats always want to punish the people who are doing okay for themselves, yet never notice the beam in their own eye as they keep their progeny as far away from the common-folk as possible lest they become tainted by those who work for a living.
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posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
78 Comments:
I seem to remember seeing posters up in the station describing a program for kids in cps that want to be cops or fireman. Could this be what they are talking about? Can some one clarify?
Then I guess everyone who was hired before college was a requirement should sue for not being allowed to take promotional test.
Does this mean that the CPS is so bad that in order to make things fair we have to give a graduate points. This sounds like an admission that the CPS is so under performing that it's graduates must be given points in order to have any hope of being competitive in the job market.
Why hasn't the FOP done the same thing, it's currently happening with the current 2013 list
Any prospective firefighter that did not attend a City public HS, should suffer a penalty. Nothing is more important for the education of our children, than they attend the public schools, and support our teachers union. Private schools mostly use undepaid non-union teachers.
He's squeezing the life out of the middle class who send their sons and daughters to private schools...mostly for strict classrooms and religious values... Then, tasking set-asides to kids who went to school under their parents mold. Where is freedom of religion, freedom of choice, freedom of movement? If this becomes rule...then those families who, in the future, send their children to private schools, should be free from paying the portion in their property tax bill that goes towards funding Cgo Public Schools.
Where do I sign my name up for this "class action" suite? Took the test in 05 and will continue to wait until the injunction is filed and cleared and "hiring" will resume off the test I haven't taken yet! Ha, this city is such a joke!
"Their legal fight is funded by a $20,000 donation from Firefighters Union Local 2."
How much lawyer time/work will that buy.
Just a thought but how about at least a matching grant from the Archdiocese of Chicago. Sort of like getting a little rebate for all that tuition they (and we) have been paying for all those years.
Raccoon Eye's kids go to the University of Chicago Lab School for FREE. They get to and from school in a Chicago Police vehicle and protected by armed Chicago Police bodyguards paid for by tax paying chumps like us. The Raccoon is a $millionaire many times over. The rest of us work part time jobs just to send our kids to private schools so they at least have a chance for a decent life. Something wrong with this picture?
Wasn't the same advantage given to the new police applicants last year as well?
No one cared....
A Chicag Public School was good enough for Bruce Rauner's kid. His daughter wanted to go to one so badly. He bought one for her.
Try sending your kid to a CPS high school where they're continually interrupted by cultures that don't want to learn.
Would be interesting to know how many people on this class action suit are Dummycrat and actually voted for this little bitch.
You send your kids to a better private school. This is a no brainer. Your kids will eat cps students up on any fire test. Let cps have their 5 points. Big whoop!!!
Waste of 20000 dollars in union dues.
Just so everyone knows, Karen Lewis "demanded" this provision in a meeting with the Mayor's people shortly after their infamous blow up.
Stop complaining. Its about time the tradition of those city jobs being past down onto the next generation of firefighters. This gives families of non-firefighters a chance at the job.
Most of the people that write in here hate this city and can't wait to get out. So why are you fighting so hard for your kids to get jobs here?
Anonymous said...
Raccoon Eye's kids go to the University of Chicago Lab School for FREE. They get to and from school in a Chicago Police vehicle and protected by armed Chicago Police bodyguards paid for by tax paying chumps like us. The Raccoon is a $millionaire many times over. The rest of us work part time jobs just to send our kids to private schools so they at least have a chance for a decent life. Something wrong with this picture?
8/14/2014 02:45:00 AM
How do they go there for free? I have no love for the man but I would like some proof, how do you know that? The tuition there for two kids is over $55,000 a year. You claim they go there free, tell us how that is? I have never heard free. I used to sit on his house and believe me, I love posting embarrassing shit on that asshole.
How is it free?
Anonymous said...
Does this mean that the CPS is so bad that in order to make things fair we have to give a graduate points. This sounds like an admission that the CPS is so under performing that it's graduates must be given points in order to have any hope of being competitive in the job market.
8/14/2014 12:25:00 AM
We should have that qualification on CPS for the position of Mayor. No suburban pukes from New Trier High School! That jagoff Rahm went to nothing but exclusive schools and he pulls this shit in the city he has dropped his carpetbag.
Miserable jagoff. Clearly he is pandering for votes. When he runs for President he will bribe the same people with other people's money. (ours) Expect things like free citizenship for anyone from south of the Rio Grande, minimum wage fight as an example. Rahm calls it income inequality.
That piece of shit is very dangerous.
How many catholic school students have ever been charged with doing or attempting to do a drive by shooting.
How many have been victims? They don't tend to be hanging out on street corners slinging rock like the public school students or ex students.
Now, if we could just get Southwest to give 5 points on the pilots test...........
UNO is looking for new management to run their 16 charter schools into the ground. Will they give 5 points to public school grads? Is that double jeopardy?
CPD Explorer and CPS student was arrested for burglary in 006 yesterday
The alderscam O Conner got his sister 5 points on the principals test so she can technically be a "merit" principal.
I hope they win!
This is such a bullshit, Democratic City and I hope the city loses every lawsuit because its leaders are just stupid!
Da Pelon
it's blatant religious discrimination,12:55 am is that you rahm?
Ald Brookins says: "the cfd is probably overwhelmingly catholic and white." wtf, could you imagine if a white alderman said the cta is mostly black and baptist he would be forced to resign!
Is everyone forgetting that they did this for the last Police test where was the FOP. It's not new but once again the fire department has the nuts to stand up for what is right and the FOP just takes a back seat they should be joining in on this fight. It is not right to penalize those that have no choice but to send there child to a catholic high school so that they don't have to subject there child to gang banging thugs ruling the CPS high schools. The least the FOP could do is donate another 20 grand to help out in the fight since it's to late to do anything about are last test. Yes I am a LEO
This is a blatant attempt by the alderman to get more blacks on the fire and then the police departments. They won't say it, but that is what this is. It probably is legal, but sure is wrong. One alderman came right out and stated that the majority of the fire department is white and catholic and he wanted to change that. What is right about that statement? An attack on Catholics, an attack on whites or both?
Any prospective firefighter that did not attend a City public HS, should suffer a penalty. Nothing is more important for the education of our children, than they attend the public schools, and support our teachers union. Private schools mostly use undepaid non-union teachers.
And yet private schools have a better graduating percentage than public schools.
Come on people! If this were not leading into an election this would be a non-issue.
Does this mean that the CPS is so bad that in order to make things fair we have to give a graduate points. This sounds like an admission that the CPS is so under performing that it's graduates must be given points in order to have any hope of being competitive in the job market.
8/14/2014 12:25:00 AM
Don't quite understand the 5 point thing. Isn't the test a pass/fail and wasn't the passing grade for the last test a 62. Seeing that the test is geared at a grammar school or at best a high school level, how are is it to get a 62.
Then isn't it supposed to be a lottery for the positions,some saying it is determined by the last digit or digits of your SS number. My point is if its a lottery system, that alone takes away the value of the test scores because you could get hired with a 62 and not get hired with a 99 score.
What if you went to public grammar school and Catholic High School or vise versa? 2.5pts? How about a charter school? 4pts
The public schools are overwhelmingly minority. The five points is an incentive to gain a more diverse hiring pool. Not every cop and fireman should come from Norwood park and loyola academy. It has nothing to do with comparing academics.
Then I guess everyone who was hired before college was a requirement should sue for not being allowed to take promotional test.
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Ok smart ass go ahead and try. There is no discrimination there. Especially because you have have ample time to get a degree and city will cover it.
Anon said:
"Raccoon Eye's kids go to the University of Chicago Lab School for FREE. They get to and from school in a Chicago Police vehicle and protected by armed Chicago Police bodyguards paid for by tax paying chumps like us. The Raccoon is a $millionaire many times over. The rest of us work part time jobs just to send our kids to private schools so they at least have a chance for a decent life. Something wrong with this picture?"
You are so right. I send my kid to private school so she can learn and be safe. As demonstrated by the points given for being a CPS student, fuck that.
If I could go elsewhere I would, but we can't. If I had a crystal ball like GMac, it would tell me to keep working my ass off to pay taxes for those that can't do for themselves and that my daughter may grow to get a decent job so she can continue to perpetuate the DEmo-bullshit we have come to know in Chonduras. Term limits for entitlements. G_d bless CPD. Thank all of you for doing what you can do to make us safe.
Airborne All The Way!
Rham is a POS.
Every city worker should join this suit.
Outstanding. Rock on fire guys.
And Ald. Howard Brookins, 21st, defended the hiring policy, saying it’s right to give CPS students a leg up in applying for good city jobs. “The city is really trying to do something to give value to public education,” Brookins said.
The fire department “is probably overwhelmingly Catholic and white,” Brookins added, pointing to the public school preference as a “non-race based way” to help diversify the department.
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This brookiins is a Grade A piece of shit!!
I've had several dealings with him & he's a police hating dog, not much better than a storefront poverty pimp reverend.
This is a "non-race base way"?
How can that be when the population of the CPS system is only 9% white??
Sounds race-based to me!!
OT: Looks like Area South will be going to 10 hour days starting 1st period for Sgt's and PO's. Lt's and XO's remain the same. 022 not included either. Order pending
I can't even imagine what grounds such a lawsuit would have.
If the CPS extra credit was thrown out how could residency requirements stay in?
Neither is especially relevant to the actual job.
I see this case going no where.
CPD already doing this.
FOP need to get involved
I told my son I'd fucking knee cap him if he came on this job.
Angelo won't let the FOP get involved. He doesn't want to make Rahm angry.
Private schools do not have any standards except pay and junior will graduate. In addition, how many private schools are number 1 in the state?
Just so everyone knows, Karen Lewis "demanded" this provision in a meeting with the Mayor's people shortly after their infamous blow up.
8/14/2014 07:34:00 AM
Bullshit
Glad to see mary oconnor standing up against this
Any police or Fire dept. employee who votes for Emmanuel should have their head examined. Tell all your friends, neighbors and especially Catholic school parents what this POS is trying to pull.
Any police or Fire dept. employee who votes for Emmanuel should have their head examined. Tell all your friends, neighbors and especially Catholic school parents what this POS is trying to pull.
Thank God, my son who went to public high school now has a fighting chance.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
FOP need to get involved
8/14/2014 01:46:00 PM
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TOO LATE
They are hiring off the 2013 list NEXT WEEK.. approximately 100 recruits going into the academy
This wasnt made a big deal for the CPD because everyone on the list eventually gets called for processing. This preference allows CPS and Vets to go first in line for proccesing. The last test was 2010 and 2013. the firefighters never even finished their lists from 1995 and 2006. This is why they are making a big deal about it because the chances of even being called for proccesing have gone done significantly for anyone thats not a vet or cps grad.
The problem is all the people applying that are not even living in Chicago. They should limit it to city residents only or at least have some college requirement instead of just a GED.
How many catholic school students have ever been charged with doing or attempting to do a drive by shooting.
How many have been victims? They don't tend to be hanging out on street corners slinging rock like the public school students or ex students.
You ever hear of John Cappas? Marist finest. One of biggest dope dealers of the. 80's. Catholic School.
The public schools are overwhelmingly minority. The five points is an incentive to gain a more diverse hiring pool. Not every cop and fireman should come from Norwood park and loyola academy. It has nothing to do with comparing academics.
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I am willing to bet that the demographics of CPS grads receiving preference will be close to the cities demographics. The kids getting preference won't be the ones from Simeon or Clemente(for obvious reasons). They will be from Lane, Von, Taft, etc. The good schools in the CPS systems are more even demographically than the really bad ones.
All of you know that if your child got into Lane or Northside, you'd gladly send them there. But they weren't smart enough so you begrudgingly sent them to a catholic school. This whole religious claim thing is BS and you know it. However it is your best and only angle at this lawsuit.
Stop letting people from suburbs and out of state test there over 50% of the applicants.
Area south if that's what you mean detective division is in a 10hr day. Can't change it without contract
>>>Anonymous said...
I can't even imagine what grounds such a lawsuit would have.
If the CPS extra credit was thrown out how could residency requirements stay in?
Neither is especially relevant to the actual job.
I see this case going no where.
8/14/2014 01:39:00 PM<<<
So why does the source of any primary education matter? Even home schooling or an immigrant from out of state.
In fact, Rahm's going to need jobs for all illegal immigrant kids he brought in.
Has anyone seen where around here they are stashing these invaders?
OT: Looks like Area South will be going to 10 hour days starting 1st period for Sgt's and PO's. Lt's and XO's remain the same. 022 not included either. Order pending
8/14/2014 01:16:00 PM
Let's get 10 hour days citywide!!
Notice how the president of Local 2, Tom Ryan. isn't quoted?
These are 2 of 6 business agents of a 13 member executive board with a history of always being part of the problem and never being part of the solution. They're shamelessly pandering to their 19 ward base.
Nothing will change
Anonymous said...
Then I guess everyone who was hired before college was a requirement should sue for not being allowed to take promotional test.
8/14/2014 12:22:00 AM
The college requirement is stupid we lose many potential good Officers.
Glad to see mary oconnor standing up against this
8/14/2014 08:46:00 PM
Bullshit... She is a Rahm minion. She does not speak in the city council nor does she speak to the press, read the neighborhood paper. And in the end she will vote against unions.
Just what the public wants, a bunch of idiot shitheads from the chicago public school system when they need someone to save them. If Rahms house were to catch fire, I hope those are the people he would get.
It is not only the 5 points , every recruit class has to have 20% applicants from cps . Why not make it fair for All Vity Applicants and require every police recruit class must be 50% city of Chicago residents.
Anonymous said...
Any police or Fire dept. employee who votes for Emmanuel should have their head examined. Tell all your friends, neighbors and especially Catholic school parents what this POS is trying to pull.
8/14/2014 08:49:00 PM
I bet you voted for Daley.
Anonymous said...
Most of the people that write in here hate this city and can't wait to get out. So why are you fighting so hard for your kids to get jobs here?
8/14/2014 07:37:00 AM
Thank you. A huge majority of comments on the blog are about the hate for the city and its rampant corruption,but those same people are pissed because their child will be denied 5 points on an entrance exam. You should be directing your child to seek a different profession so they won't be forced to live in this hellhole you so despise.
OT: Looks like Area South will be going to 10 hour days starting 1st period for Sgt's and PO's. Lt's and XO's remain the same. 022 not included either. Order pending;
Most POs and the city would benefit from the 10 hour day!
rudy guiliani for mayor 2015 rudy would never allow this
seiser for supt.
Anonymous said...
The public schools are overwhelmingly minority. The five points is an incentive to gain a more diverse hiring pool. Not every cop and fireman should come from Norwood park and loyola academy. It has nothing to do with comparing academics.
8/14/2014 10:52:00 AM
Once upon a time all the public schools were overwhelmingly white, what's your point? Society as a whole can't progress with quotas, only through earned achievement.
Stop letting people from suburbs and out of state test there over 50% of the applicants.
8/14/2014 10:33:00 PM
Dumbest comment I've ever read on this blog.
Where do I sign my name up for this "class action" suite? Took the test in 05 and will continue to wait until the injunction is filed and cleared and "hiring" will resume off the test I haven't taken yet! Ha, this city is such a joke!
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And yet your trying again, seems like the jokes on you pal.
What if you spent some time in both the public and catholic schools? What if you grew up in the city, graduated from a city school and then you moved out of the city before applying with the intent to live in the city? What if my graduation cap or diploma is stored in my grandparents city house basement?
Anonymous said...
Just what the public wants, a bunch of idiot shitheads from the chicago public school system when they need someone to save them. If Rahms house were to catch fire, I hope those are the people he would get.
8/15/2014 08:51:00 AM
You are what's wrong with this city. How many shitheads come from catholic schools?
The "clouted" shitheads from chicago catholic schools are bigger shitheads that the ones from cps.
If passing grade was 60 , cps only needs a 55.
Hey---I thought I had the dumbest comment on this blog.
I feel so lonely.
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
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