Ballot Problems
Quite a few popping up in the comment sections. We aren't picking on the FOP per se here, but this rush to pass a Contract only magnifies what would usually be minor errors:
- Sergeants are getting ballots - so are retirees?
It would seem that no one ran an actual active duty roster in the days leading up to the ballots being printed. The last sergeant class was months ago and there are guys retiring every day. You think it would be incumbent upon the FOP to have the latest list of active duty personnel to mail out ballots properly - especially for such a contentious vote. Guess not.
- "Propaganda" included with the ballot?
We got this complaint:
- ...the letter included in the ballot package. It seems as though our representatives at FOP are in a "rush" to get this done and over with. Furthermore, the writer does not hide their support for this contract and even attempts to steer the members to vote yes. That is inappropriate and points should be made stating the positives and the negatives for the members to understand so that we may be able to make a informed decision.
There's a time and a place for this - the newsletter, the website, the meetings, the district/unit visits. In the ballot mailing though? No.
- The "propaganda" has a glaring error?
Everything we've seen up until now has 11% as the offered monetary raise. Commentators are saying that it's listed as 14% in the ballot? And finally:
- How come the ballots are in the mail and we are supposed to vote and the last word the FOP President said about Tier 1 and Tier 2 hospitals is "We will get the information regarding which hospital is on which list to the membership as soon as we (FOP) get it?" How do they recommend a contract for vote and neither they nor we have the complete list of Tier 1 and 2 hospitals?
You see, you have to vote FOR the contract to see what's IN the contract. They must have learned that one from Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Obama. It's the new normal you know - trust them, they know what's best for you.
Labels: contract stuff
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
79 Comments:
My bad don't worry about it!
If any of you have done a closing on a house and this many errors just happened would you sign the contract?
Of course the above ground pool is included but you have no hose to fill up the pool.
We in for a giant slap in the face if this passes.
Duty availability will be gone in the future.
Isn't this supposed to be a secret ballot as well? My return address is on the envelope I send the ballot back in.
It's not the people who vote that count, it's the people who counts the votes.
Josef Stalin
Vote Early and Vote Often.
Al "Chicago's most famous citizen" Capone
I never vote for anyone; I always vote against.
W.C. Fields
I don't even work for CPD any more and I got a ballad in the mail today, lol.
The letter enclosed with the ballot is straight up out of line. I spoke to a Board member who does not hold the same opinion of what is included in that letter. In fact, he explained what he could, both good and bad. Also, he said the "Board vote" was not recorded and he was only an informal poll. -Don't want to front you out Brother, but, you know who you are. Thanks for the chat.
We are fucked.
Voting no may not be enough.
I hope every man has a rifle.
Oh, hell no. What a unbelievable cluster fuck! Why even bother sending out ballots. Just let the all knowing board fill them out for us. Evidently they have lubed up pretty well to let the city stick in our ass like this.
No SCC. Angelo is an old Nolan guy. Selling us out is what he does. You didn't know this?
Still voting no -- 014th district
There is a list of tier 1 and tier 2 hospitals on the FOP website.
How about sending out ballots to retirees WHO LIVE OUT OF STATE?
I NEVER gave my address to the FOP yet somehow they've gotten the new address without missing a beat.
That comes courtesy of the Pension board. They hand over your address change immediately to the FOP.
So, since the FOP HAS gotten my change of address OUTSIDE the state of Illinois, exactly HOW can they not know that I'm no longer an active member? They changed my address to an out of state address for christ's sake!
Ballot irregularities up the ass, violation of by laws to accomplish their goal of a yes vote, this needs to be shut down NOW.
NEW ballots need to be sent to active MEMBERS only and ballot counting oversight is now required to prevent fraud from your FOP.
First step is state lodge.
Second step if they ignore this is National lodge.
Final step after that is the media.
If THEY ignore it then it starts going out to media outlets that won't ignore it who aren't in bed with Emanuel the scumbag.
Social media is the last resort.
Angelo reeks of scumbagery and this kind of bullshit should let you trigger a new election and kick his double-crossing ass OUT of the union.
This guy is a pathetic liar who fucked you guys over and will likely fuck retirees over as well as soon as he has the chance.
Angelo needs to GO and take his cabal of sycophant assholes with him. They're ALL accomplices to his sellout of their membership.
A votes, a vote if their for this b.s.
SCC stated: We got this complaint:
...the letter included in the ballot package. It seems as though our representatives at FOP are in a "rush" to get this done and over with. Furthermore, the writer does not hide their support for this contract and even attempts to steer the members to vote yes. That is inappropriate and points should be made stating the positives and the negatives for the members to understand so that we may be able to make a informed decision.
There's a time and a place for this - the newsletter, the website, the meetings, the district/unit visits. In the ballot mailing though? No.
As a cop i say...
I say it's a valid point. If the FOP wants to insert a letter clearly supporting the contract, they can also state why. The letter itself is inappropriate. Either just encourage the members to vote or don't insert a letter at all.
9/24/2014 01:54:00 AM
Sorry scc i disagree with you on this one. Our leaders are suppose to inform us. I didn't see anything in the booklet about different tiers of hospitals. And as for that letter? Fop should not have expressed their approval or disapproval. And yes if they had to do it they could've at least let us know why or why not they are pushing for it. Lastly, i work for the city. I know the city doesn't move this fast.
Time to file a complaint with the NLRB and attempt to decertify Flop # 7 and get in with a reall Union.
If we would of only stuck together, worked towards a common goal and not let the city or department scare us, we might not be in the shape we are in.
I have never worked with a more scared group of people ( bosses included ) in my life let alone career here.
What a disgrace we are to ourselves. What a discredit we have allowed.
Voted yes to get this crappy contract over and get working on the next. Maybe if they start now they can get a deal together for 2017???
I received a ballot & I retired in June.
Seems FOP is in a very big hurry to get this contract pushed through.
Does Dean Angelo seem like the type of guy that would be doing this for the "good of the people"? I thnk not.
America is on her knees.
Wolverines.
I can't see arbitration giving us anything better. They'll probably cut the two years of back pay and give us the wellness program that everybody else in the city is using.
I don't even work for CPD anymore and I got me a ballot!
The F. O. P. is a joke..
I did not vote for Dean!!
14,15 or 16% would be good. How is it that CPS were able to squeeze the tiny little balls of this runt? But big, bad, brutal street cops, according to media, merely lay down at his petite feet waiting to be petted by his deformed hand.
"...I got a ballad in the mail today..."
I send songs to all my cuties.
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
I am a sergeant (who pays $60 a year in dues)
I will vote NO along with 175 other sergeants I KNOW who are FOP members.
You're welcome DEAN
some sgt.s worked under the expired p.os contract as p.os before promotion, and therefore it affects them also -so they get to vote..
Anonymous said...
Isn't this supposed to be a secret ballot as well? My return address is on the envelope I send the ballot back in.
9/24/2014 12:31:00 AM
The name is on the outside ballot probably to be checked off against a master list of po's from the FOP members. Once opened there is a sealed ballot. If you don't have any identification on the outside envelope someone could just have 10,000 blank envelopes and mail them in with pre marked ballots.
I don't even work for CPD any more and I got a ballad in the mail today, lol.
9/24/2014 01:24:00 AM
I never worked for CPD and I got a ballot.
Can we ditch this imbecilic FOP already? We need someone like Jimmy Hoffa (minus the corruption) representing us. Jimmy, if you're still alive are you reformed and listening?
Anonymous said...
I don't even work for CPD any more and I got a ballad in the mail today, lol.
9/24/2014 01:24:00 AM
Nobody sang for me, all I got was a stupid ballot :)
I made Sgt this year. I did get a ballot in the mail. I did vote. The way I look at it is simple. I was a member of the FOP (I still am for the rest of this calender year) for a good chunk of this contract. The retro certainly applies to me. I deeply care about the PO's, I was one for over 17 years. I especially care about the future officers who won't get Duty Availability. What happens with this contract does effect all other non exempt ranks.
I'm sure many will say you are no longer a PO or a rank represented by FOP, don't vote and enjoy your raise. I understand that completely. To each his or her own.
Relax gentlemen. No is perfect.
Still voting YES. Not a perfect contract but I still believe it's the best we are going to do under the circumstances. Going to arbitration is too risky.
Dean is appearing quite shady. I already voted no and mailed it back. Let's see if it gets counted.
Maybe on purpose - if the result isn't what they want they can claim "oops - invalid" and try (try again until they get the result they want?
There is a list of tier 1 and tier 2 hospitals on the FOP website.
9/24/2014 04:12:00 AM
Yep, been up all of 36 hours and isn't complete
In regards to the raise, those charts are based on a 11% raise if you do your own calculations. The 2% across the board was a misprint but the pay scales are still good.
Mailed in ballot, voted yes what's the over/under percentage guess? Mine is 70% yes 30% no and less than 1/2 ballots mailed in, 100% that those that did not vote will bitch the most no matter what!
Read Obamacare regarding tier I and tier II hospitals.. this is a set up for moving us into the Obamacare health system... The city has stated that it would be cheaper to pay the fine to the government for not providing health care to it's employees than to provide insurance to us. The city would gladly pay
$6 - 8 Million in penalties than $20 million for insurance and IOD/Medical... Watch out folks... the writing is on the wall!!! DO NOT VOTE FOR THIS CONTRACT!!! There is NO REASON a young copper coming on this job should not get every benefit afforded to any other copper...this is a "divide and conquer" plan and we are all one..no difference between a kid with one year on the job or 10 years on the job as far as union benefits are concerned. ALL officers should enjoy THE SAME RIGHTS!!
My ballot wasn't fucked up, it came with a "NO" bubble. That's all I needed.
don't be so alaramed by the "tier 1 and tier 2" hospitals. Out of pocket family deductable is still only $3000 no matter where you go.
There's a strong chance the arbitrator will give the city their "tier 1 tier 2" hospital list anyway. It's the chnaging times of health care and the private sector does it too. Thanks to Obummer care! Out of pocket max is still $3000 for the year no matter where you go.
Anonymous said...
Isn't this supposed to be a secret ballot as well? My return address is on the envelope I send the ballot back in.
9/24/2014 12:31:00 AM
Just black out return addy real good.
Desperation drove them to taint ballot integrity...
Somebodys were promised some things by somebody to see that a yes vote passes...
If ineligible voters were mailed ballots at this point in the game, you can also be pretty certain that the tallying of those ballots WILL be skewed in favor of a yes vote...
National FOP should be all up in Lodge 7 executives asses like cheap toilet paper over this issue.
And that should be the start.
Criminal investigation and probable prosecution and imprisonment?
If they're dirty, fuck 'em...
Wouldn't have been a problem if they
hadn't bent over for Rahm to help him
fuck the membership.
See what happens when integrity is pushed
aside for an agenda?
This is as good as it gets. We will be big losers in Arb.
I got only one ballot, is that the problem you speak of?
In Chitown i thought you get as many ballots as you want.
Voted yes to get this crappy contract over and get working on the next. Maybe if they start now they can get a deal together for 2017???
9/24/2014 06:37:00 AM
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Wow, I really hope you're not THAT stupid!
I just received my ballot.
Jerome Finnigan
I don't see arbitrators going against tentative agreements.
cps can strike but cpd can bring city to it's knees by enforcing every city ordinance passed by the aldercreatures .
lazy cops get crap contracts , have to put fear in the city .
I have COPD and I didn't get a ballot! What the fuck's up with that?
Rosco said...
I can't see arbitration giving us anything better. They'll probably cut the two years of back pay and give us the wellness program that everybody else in the city is using.
9/24/2014 06:51:00 AM
They can't "give" us the wellness program. Or force us on it. How about learning a little how things work before you spout off?
Hey, I am retired and I didn't get a ballot! WTF! Fucking FOP.
There's a strong chance the arbitrator will give the city their "tier 1 tier 2" hospital list anyway. It's the chnaging times of health care and the private sector does it too. Thanks to Obummer care! Out of pocket max is still $3000 for the year no matter where you go.
That is not true, you pay $3000.00 of deductable and you still are responsible for 10 percent of the total amount due. So, when you need to go to a tier 2 hospital you are on the hook for 25 percent of the total bill. So you will pay much more then $3000.00 per year.
Anonymous said...
Isn't this supposed to be a secret ballot as well? My return address is on the envelope I send the ballot back in.
9/24/2014 12:31:00 AM
Just black out return addy real good.
9/24/2014 01:40:00 PM
That might void the ballot. the outside envelope normally has your name and address so they can check you off as voting once. The ballot inside has no markings and goes into a bin with the rest of the ballots to be counted separately.
Everything isn't a conspiracy.
Anonymous said...
I don't even work for CPD any more and I got a ballad in the mail today, lol.
9/24/2014 01:24:00 AM
I never worked for CPD and I got a ballot.
9/24/2014 08:36:00 AM
I heard some people are looking for me and I got a ballot.
Jimmy Hoffa
14,15 or 16% would be good. How is it that CPS were able to squeeze the tiny little balls of this runt? But big, bad, brutal street cops, according to media, merely lay down at his petite feet waiting to be petted by his deformed hand.
9/24/2014 08:02:00 AM
Because they can actually strike and we can't. Anymore stupid questions?
It's time to hire Daley Inc to negotiate our contracts.
That scum bag will do anything for money.
My Love for Rham Equals a NO!!!
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Isn't this supposed to be a secret ballot as well? My return address is on the envelope I send the ballot back in.
9/24/2014 12:31:00 AM
Just black out return addy real good.
9/24/2014 01:40:00 PM
You see...
That's where a potential rub might be given the steady reporting of contract and ballot fuckery by fop...
We wonder if they would consider this and others similarly blacked out to be a "tainted" ballot?
Stranger shit has happened...
Yet still stranger shit WILL happen in days to come.
Get mad... Now...
Our families futures are at stake.
There is nothing nowhere that says Policemen can't hit back in these circumstances.
How come the ballot package had "Union Home" vote for Democrats and this contract should be accepted. Big retro by Xmas.
I hate that I couldn't make the South meeting today regarding the contract because I have concerns. I'm voting "No" because I don't agree with the medical insurance portion. I'm also not confident that my vote will be counted because in the 2nd election for FOP president, I filled it out and immediately mailed it off and I promise you my ballot came back to my house about 4 weeks ago with a stamp on it that said "return to sender..no such address". I'm leary about this voting process.
At any rate, the insurance should be left alone. This contract basically says "fuck you...you're taking the bulk if you want to go to a Tier 2 hospital". We need as much help on the insurance that we can get. That 25% that we're responsible for will add up. I've had to see specialists and doctors before...lets say at Northwestern. If they push this shit through we'll get hit hard having to pay co-pays and 25%...our portion of the insurance. You don't chip away at medical insurance. That's ridiculous!!
I hear the Red Headed Badge Bunny received a ballot also. She believes she is the one of us.
Isn't this supposed to be a secret ballot as well? My return address is on the envelope I send the ballot back in.
9/24/2014 12:31:00 AM
Just black out return addy real good.
9/24/2014 01:40:00 PM
Don't listen to this idiot. If you folow his advice your ballot will be invalidated.
Isn't this supposed to be a secret ballot as well? My return address is on the envelope I send the ballot back in.
9/24/2014 12:31:00 AM
Just black out return addy real good.
9/24/2014 01:40:00 PM
Not a smart thing to do. My guess is they chaeck off the name and address off a FOP master list to verify no po votes more than once
But you want you ballot not to count,listen to this guy.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Rosco said...
I can't see arbitration giving us anything better. They'll probably cut the two years of back pay and give us the wellness program that everybody else in the city is using.
9/24/2014 06:51:00 AM
They can't "give" us the wellness program. Or force us on it. How about learning a little how things work before you spout off?
9/24/2014 07:25:00 PM
Damn fucking FOP, always conspiring to engage in a conspiracy against us like that! Damn conspirators.
I'm voting "No". I've never seen this before where medical insurance gets worse. I know there's other issues with the contract but messing with medical insurance big. Now that we're being introduced to the Tier 1, Tier 2 hospitals with 90%/25% and 75%/25% coverage respectively, just be prepared to be out of more money due to having to pay more for medical bills.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I got only one ballot, is that the problem you speak of?
In Chitown i thought you get as many ballots as you want.
9/24/2014 03:57:00 PM
NO one from Chicago calls the city 'Chi-town'.
Yep the pamphlet that was sent shows two different wage increases. The paragraph were the wording is at has it at 11% raise. And the tables for wage increases, each increase is at 2% for a total of 14%. If they can even get that right imagine the rest of the contract.
I don't even work for CPD any more and I got a ballad in the mail today, lol.
9/24/2014 01:24:00 AM
I never worked for CPD and I got a ballot.
9/24/2014 08:36:00 AM
I heard some people are looking for me and I got a ballot.
Jimmy Hoffa
9/24/2014 08:33:00 PM
The FOP stole $ $,$$$.$$ from our svelte pockets when they launched us from those committees, and we still got ballots.
Anonymous said...
There's a strong chance the arbitrator will give the city their "tier 1 tier 2" hospital list anyway. It's the chnaging times of health care and the private sector does it too. Thanks to Obummer care! Out of pocket max is still $3000 for the year no matter where you go.
That is not true, you pay $3000.00 of deductable and you still are responsible for 10 percent of the total amount due. So, when you need to go to a tier 2 hospital you are on the hook for 25 percent of the total bill. So you will pay much more then $3000.00 per year.
9/24/2014 07:57:00 PM
Your either uninformed or lying. We have hit our $3000 every year and that was the most we paid. Anything else was covered 100%.
My son's medical bills have been averaging over $60,000 a year for past 3 years. The most I pay is the $3000 family deductible.
Anonymous said...
Can we ditch this imbecilic FOP already? We need someone like Jimmy Hoffa (minus the corruption) representing us. Jimmy, if you're still alive are you reformed and listening?
9/24/2014 08:40:00 AM
We value those we drink more than our families. We can get rid of this FOP and hire some professionals. We have cops negotiating with the city on our behalf. They hold our future in their hands. Sorry I cannot trust them. Hire a law firm, accounting firm, etc... For a fraction of the cost of what we are paying our FOP reps, we could have the professionals. And those lawyers and accountants will have friends in city hall, possibly even be friends with 9.5. By taking care of 9.5's friends, he may take care of us. In the end, if indeed it is a same result, at least we would've saved whole lot of money. look at the guy across the room during roll call. Do you trust him/ her to decided on your future? Scary!
I think the sergeants should make the vote for them. We know how to take a stand.
I also heard that Keith Herrera and family voted YES on the contract
•How come the ballots are in the mail and we are supposed to vote and the last word the FOP President said about Tier 1 and Tier 2 hospitals is "We will get the information regarding which hospital is on which list to the membership as soon as we (FOP) get it?" How do they recommend a contract for vote and neither they nor we have the complete list of Tier 1 and 2 hospitals?
Maybe because this does not take effect until 2017.
Anonymous said...
•How come the ballots are in the mail and we are supposed to vote and the last word the FOP President said about Tier 1 and Tier 2 hospitals is "We will get the information regarding which hospital is on which list to the membership as soon as we (FOP) get it?" How do they recommend a contract for vote and neither they nor we have the complete list of Tier 1 and 2 hospitals?
Maybe because this does not take effect until 2017.
The list of the hospitals is on the FOP website. Look it up
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