Chicago Getting a Bad Rap
- Two-thirds of Chicago-area residents would stay in the Chicagoland area, even if money were no object, according to a new poll from Charles Schwab.
That’s despite the fact that about three-quarters of Chicagoans rate the metropolitan area as “one of the worst” in the country in terms of crime and tax rates.
>The Charles Schwab poll, “The View from Chicago,” was conducted with a representative sample of 1,000 Chicago-area residents, ages 21-75.
Chicagoans rated their city highest on diversity, innovation, and opportunities for young professionals. They rated the region lowest as a place to raise a family, get an education, and retire.
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posted by SCC at 12:02 AM
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Hahahahaha...
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Diversity is very important, perhaps one of the most important reasons for choosing a place to live. Democrats and liberals love diversity.
Lift residency for city workers and watch their tune change! Man I wish I would of stayed with the county.
If I could get out now, I would. Someday soon I will be able to flee this pest hole.
Opportunities for young professionals? Do you mean our kids or cheap, foreign labor coming here to work at many of the downtown companies?
If all the foreign, Visa-holding non-citizens were sent back, Chicago would have a pretty viable job market.
As it stands, there are more foreigners working here, than there are city and suburban home-owners.
Better take that into account when you look for a raise. Citizens - the ones who pay taxes - have been edged out of many jobs in the last decade or so and they aren't making anywhere near the money they made 10-12 years ago.
When you get a Motorola project manager (degreed and holding various cerfications) who was making $90,000 a year back in 2001 and hasn't seen $40,000 a year since then, you start to see a pattern as to companies bringing in foreigners to handle jobs at a cheaper rate. Many other examples - high-tech salespeople making over six figures, now many $50,000 if they are lucky. Others who made $80K-$120K, now lucky to be making $36K-$45K.
No one seems to talk about that within the Chicagoland economy but that is what happened in the last decade or so. (Some have already moved out to different places)
You can be very apathetic to their plight but believe me, it WILL effect you eventually.
Politicians better find some platinum revenue streams to pay for pensions and benefits because the average guy has been tapped out for a long time - and there doesn't seem to be any turn-around in sight.
Highest on diversity, lowest as a place to raise a family. Sounds about right.
Could those things be related?
I rate Chicago very high too. #1 in shootings, corruption, taxes, traffic, liberals ruining everything, and hot dogs
There is so much opportunity and potential in Chicago even with mentally handicapped aldermen and short sighted mayor.
We have dozens and dozens of abandoned brick buildings/factories that are still solid that could be given to large companies like GE tax free. Doing that could spur economic development. Seriously, just give them the buildings instead of the city sitting on them doing nothing.
The we have many vacant lots on the south and west sides. The city needs to give those away to developers and create gated communities and wineries. (Both ideas have been proposed)
Then you need to shut down Michigan avenue to vehicle traffic like they do in Europe. This would make it easier to shop and navigate downtown instead of pedestrians being crammed like sardines on the sidewalks. Ever try walking on Mag Mile on a Sunday afternoon in July? You can barely walk theres so many people.
There are many, many more ideas that could be done to make Chicago a better place. It frustrates me how much potential Chicago has. Leaders need to get their head out of the sand !!
Haven't we always been gluttons for punishment?
Studs Turkel once said, "Chicago is not the most corrupt place in the country, it just the most theatrically corrupt." These assholes give us what we WANT.
I will say, that if you like that sort of thing, this is probably the absolute best place in the world to drink microbrews. Not that it makes it worth it.
Worst crime and taxes, worst place to raise a family and get an education. And still they want to stay? One word. Sheep. Waiting to be slaughtered. I think 3/4 of Chicagoans should ride around the west and south side to see exactly how that segment of society thinks and lives, and how their numbers are growing since they are being paid to do nothing. Once people saw what is happening in the city people would flee.
Run away run away!
Getting?
Useless idiots.
Yes, Detroit was not even listed.
We Chicagoans have had very low expectations.
We expect our leaders to be related to each other and to be ineffective tyrants.
The Cubs sell out almost every year and haven't won it all in 106 years.
We expect our judicial system to be a revolving door, as long as we get a break on a ticket once in a while.
We expect our educational system to suck as long as we have the option of private schools.
We expect crime as long as it happens to somebody else.
I believe this survey 100%. That's how low of expectations people have here.
So last night I was driving somewhere in 019 watching my speed in a 30mph camera zone when another off duty drives into oncoming traffic at about 45-50 to pass several of us that were apparently holding him up ( looked like maybe he's heading to work 1st watch). It would have been a really good one to watch.
If you're going to drive like a dangerous asshole at least take down your hat band from the mirror. Nobody gives a shit that you're the police and no, it doesn't look cool.
We are our worst enemies.
"That’s despite the fact that about three-quarters of Chicagoans rate the metropolitan area as “one of the worst” in the country in terms of crime and tax rates."
The three-quarters were talking about the south-side of Chicago.
Chicago is a beautiful city if you chop off the west and parts of the south side other wise it's beautiful I've been able to visit other cities around the US and some other countries Chicago beats them all for cleanliness and the buildings downtown I'll fight before they try to push me out.
When you get a Motorola project manager (degreed and holding various cerfications) who was making $90,000 a year back in 2001 and hasn't seen $40,000 a year since then, you start to see a pattern as to companies bringing in foreigners to handle jobs at a cheaper rate. Many other examples - high-tech salespeople making over six figures, now many $50,000 if they are lucky. Others who made $80K-$120K, now lucky to be making $36K-$45K.
A simple search of web sites that do research on salaries of Motorola project managers (your example)prove you are wrong!
Salaries + cash & stock bonus, profit sharing!
You post this and people on here think they are robbing someone with their 2% raises.
So last night I was driving somewhere in 019 watching my speed in a 30mph camera zone when another off duty drives into oncoming traffic at about 45-50 to pass several of us that were apparently holding him up ( looked like maybe he's heading to work 1st watch). It would have been a really good one to watch.
If you're going to drive like a dangerous asshole at least take down your hat band from the mirror. Nobody gives a shit that you're the police and no, it doesn't look cool.
We are our worst enemies.
9/23/2014 11:40:00 AM
So if you have a winter band on your mirror that makes you the police?
You can buy them on Ebay all day long!
You know what happens when you assume!
"Chicagoans rated their city highest on diversity, innovation, and opportunities for young professionals. They rated the region lowest as a place to raise a family, get an education, and retire."
Notice how somebody - either the poll taker or the journalist writing about it, is trying to sneak in the idea that diversity is ipso-facto a good thing. That seems a bit of wishful thinking since I've never heard of crime not going up or student performance not going down the more diverse a metropolitan area became. Sociologists have done intricate studies that confirm the same thing.
Can't wait to visit here... After i retire.
Upper Michigan
Anonymous said:
You post this and people on here think they are robbing someone with their 2% raises.
9/23/2014 07:23:00 PM
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WHHOOOAAAAAA..... Don't say I am wrong. And forget your stupid "website search"....or do you think everything on the Internet is factual?
You list - "Salaries + cash & stock bonus, profit sharing!" as a total Motorola package.
Well, here is the detail on that "total package" - which part of it is an OPTION(you have to buy into it), it's not just "added" into your total compensation.
YES - there is a stockplan that you can "buy into" and get a 15% discount on the stock price, but BIG DEAL.
My friend - who was VERY conservative with his money - bought into the "Stock Plan".
He got his 15% discount when Motorola stock was around $100 a share, so he got it for around $85.
When he got laid off, he thought he had a cushion because he did have some stock accumulated. (200 shares or so?)
What happened was he had to dig into that stock AND SELL IT ALL, just to survive paying bills, mortgage, etc. as at that time the economy was slow and then when 9/11 hit, no one was hiring, no one was doing anything in Chicago for the next 2 years.
He also got an extra three weeks pay in severance - as long as he signed a waiver saying he wouldn't sue Motorola for laying him off (he was over 40 at the time). He thought that just signing the paper got him a lot more money - the company figured what is 3 weeks pay in exchange for making sure no one was going to sue them for age discrimination? Many people took the 3 weeks pay because it was "cash in hand".
(And by the way - ever take anyone to court?) If you are "let go" and have no money coming in, your first thought is to lock in more money to just survive and not take someone to court because lawyers cost a LOT of money and whoever has more money just drags it out and drains you of any money you have to keep your lawyer responding to continual deliberations)
ANYONE who screams, "I'm gonna take you to court" has no idea what it costs - whether you are right or wrong - to sustain all the legal fees.
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So as he was selling the Motorola stock that you think amounted to that much, he lost a LOT of what he thought he would have for later in life.
WHY did he sell his stock? His unemployment ran out and he was still unemployed. NO real job prospects and bills keep coming in - what would you do?
The stock was down to about $18-$20 a share so what he bought at that "great Stock Plan discount" for $85 he was getting beaten up on it at less than $20 a share - just so he could pay his annual property tax bills as well as monthly bills(mortgage, etc).
So don't tell me you "looked it up on some websites". I saw this guy lose a LOT of money he had saved, because he could not find any job that was even close to what he was making - and since then has never gotten the salary and benefits he had in 2001. (THAT is how bad the job market has been and this guy had a degree as well as other certifications - not just a HS grad)
THAT is the reality of not only his plight - but so many others like him who were caught up not just at Motorola but at a lot of other Chicago-based companies.
ALL of you who take your salary and benefits for granted - think how well you would be doing if you took a 50%-60% CUT for the next 10-12 years.
It doesn't matter what industry or job you are in - it sucks. And don't think it doesn't happen.
So 2% raise? This guy, looking back, would have taken a job paying 50% LESS and would have gotten more across the last 13 years than what he actually did.
So stop crying about 2% raises. Many in the private sector today have had to take pay cuts or no raise just to stay in their current job.
And don't take the smug attitude that "well, they should have taken a city job" or some other BS statement. When job and benefit cuts hit you (and they will), you better be ready. The economy is FLAT and when no one else is getting raises, no one wants to pay you platinum benefits. Many people now have to pay $500-$600 a month for their healthcare (no company is picking up the total cost of healthcare so that the individual pays $40-$50 a month for it)
Just as you talk on this blog about how most people are "out-of-touch" as to how bad the South and West sides are, reading your comment about the private sector tells me you are WAY out-of-touch with what has and is going on when it comes to jobs, compensation, and the cutting-back that has happened in the last 10-15 years.
Enough with the Motorola BS. Unemployment rate for college graduates is 3.2%. Your "friend" couldve found a job. My guess is that he felt he was too good to take a job that pays any less than Motorola. Well, now he is making $0.00. I got laid off in 2009 and found a job in 6 weeks. All people without jobs need to sack up and do a job for less money, or maybe a job they dont really want to do. Its a job and income. Look at indeed.com, monster.com, linkedin, etc. There's a ton of jobs.
Also, quit it with your long drawn out argument for your pal at Motorola. Nobody cares.
We are our worst enemies.
9/23/2014 11:40:00 AM
I have taken hat bands and scraped over a hundred FOP stickers off cars that didn't belong to the police. Locked one guy up, too. He didn't get it.
Always left my number with the hat band guys. Told them to have daddy or mommy give me a call and I'd drop it off . Never got one. Probably can't do that today. Too many beefers. You are right, our own worst enemy.
There is nothing that can help improve this city until you stop the gang bangers and the corrupt cops that help them and do not forget the nuisance businesses, until then, expect more violence and crime.
Sol said -
Also, quit it with your long drawn out argument for your pal at Motorola. Nobody cares.
9/24/2014 05:39:00 AM
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Well, based on your apathy for others, we shouldn't care if the cops get 2% or no percent. They should just be lucky they have a job.
Bottom line is - people aren't making the money they used to make so expectations should NOT be high for any type of raise.
"Nobody cares." Good attitude. And 2009 wasn't 2001.
In 2001, companies placed false ads on sites like Monster.com and then filed for to hire H1Bs to fill jobs they "couldn't find any candidates for" creating a phony shortage of skilled people. There was NEVER any shortage- only a shortage of people who would work cheap.
Read this and educate yourself, Sol, as you have NO idea what has happened in this country. WAKE UP.
Same goes to everyone else who think the private sector is paying good salaries and benefits:
http://www.cringely.com/2012/10/23/what-americans-dont-know-about-h-1b-visas-could-hurt-us-all/
Yeah leave that's the problem, run away, and your next place will go to shit too, idiots !!
I was born in this great city and raised in Old Pilsen. Would never move out. The city is still a blast to live in. In my decades with CPD I got to hit nearly every street and alley in the city.
The job was the greatest and the people of Chicago are 10 star people.
Fuck moving, other people in other states would never adjust to Chicago People. And, we talk funny so I was told in the South and Eastern states.
God bless the finest city in the Nation.
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Notice how somebody - either the poll taker or the journalist writing about it, is trying to sneak in the idea that diversity is ipso-facto a good thing. "
J responds:
Agreed. They're sneaking in Cultural Marxist language and policies. Things like Chicago being a "Sactuary City" where laws against illegal immigration are not enforced.
j
Council of Conservative Chicagoans.
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