Knife to a Gunfight Again
Paraphrasing Clint Smith here:
- "An armed man will kill [an idiot armed with a knife] with monotonous regularity."
- A 17-year-old boy who was shot to death by a Chicago Police officer Monday night on the Southwest Side has been identified.
Laquan McDonald of the 500 block of North Springfield was taken to Mount Sinai Hospital, where he was pronounced dead, according to the Cook County medical examiner’s office.
And why did he need to be shot?
- The teen used the knife to puncture the front passenger-side tire of a squad car and damage its front windshield before leading officers on a foot chase, police said.
Other officers used a squad car to try and box the boy in against a fence near 41st and Pulaski, Camden said. An officer shot him in the chest when he “refused to comply with orders to drop the knife and continued to approach the officers,” police said.
They gave him numerous opportunities to surrender. He declined them for whatever reason, but it's pretty cut and dried. Well done Officers. The usual suspects are bitching to various news organizations, but so far, no one is biting
Labels: shooting
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
80 Comments:
Knife's Up! Don't Shoot!
Will JJJr be marching for Ju$tice?
Don't forget Officers...
"USDOJ Investigating Police Shootings of Subjects Not Armed With Guns for Possible Civil Rights Violations"
Yes... They are here in Chicago digging through multiple years of The Police being very unfortunately forced to shoot/kill these hard headed, mind-locked, drunk/high/crazy, death wish having drains on society...
We'll say it again:
"It's The Police who are the problem in Chicago. Once we fix THEM, everything else will fall in place."
Well... Belaboring the obvious aside, why the fixation on fixing The Police when they're doing what the law and common fucking sense commands them to do in these fucked up situations?
The smarter than everybody else carpetbaggers and their knee-walking, turncoat, craven wretch home grown collaborators, flunkies, yes-men and lackeys who are currently running the show in Chicago are doing their damnedest to keep the anti-Police sentiment hotted up and on the front burner.
"Why are you Cops shooting so many young men in our community? He woulda dropped the gun/knife/brick/stick/table leg/big can o' corn/hunk of broken mirror glass/length of garden hose filled with sand and a 1890's iron doorknob pop riveted to the business end-if you had asked him ONE MORE TIME!"
...Or some such silly shit like that.
Bravo Officers.
Your primary task is to do what is necessary to protect yourselves and your fellow officers.
Should that other muthafuckah force your hand in a lethal force situation then by all means oblige his rotten ass and let the municipal corporate lawyers and his survivors/litter mates duke it out over how much his non-contributory carcass is worth.
Policemen are precious... They actually stand for and mean something to society.
OK joyful haters... Flame away.
And a big F/U to the people thinking it's amusing to have the Feds root around at leisure years after the fact in a Policeman's split second decision to save himself and others.
So fucking what if the offender didn't have a gun?
Human beings kill the shit out of each other with their bare hands.
These dirty fucks are all OK with attending a Policeman's funeral though... It makes them feel so very "necessary."
Instead of fucking with Policemen, why arent the feebs rummaging through the underwear drawers of the assholes who underfunded and looted our pensions and the other assholes who cheered from the sidelines?
Brendan Schiller on scene.
OT --
2 from Liberia screened for Ebola after falling ill on flights to Chicago
Oct. 10, 2014 10:10 PM
"Two people who arrived at O'Hare International Airport on Tuesday from Liberia were under observation at Chicago hospitals as part of the city's infectious disease protocols after they experienced nausea and other illnesses during their flights...
Officials said they decided against Ebola testing for the two, who were traveling separately, after medical evaluations.
"The announcement follows confirmation from city officials that four Chicago hospitals — Rush University Medical Center, University of Chicago Medical Center, Northwestern Memorial Hospital and Lurie Children's Hospital — have agreed to take Ebola patients from other hospitals and health care providers, should any cases appear in Chicago.
"[One] passenger, an adult traveling alone from Liberia, reported nausea and diarrhea. The passenger reported having been diagnosed with typhoid fever in August but had a normal temperature and reported no known risk of exposure to Ebola during a screening...
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-chicago-liberia-quarantine-met-20141021-story.html
"Since Typhi is human-restricted...chronic carriers become the crucial reservoir and can persist for decades for further spread of the disease..."
"Among the infections [Typhoid Mary"} Mallon caused, at least three deaths were attributed to her. However, due to her use of aliases and refusal to cooperate, the exact number is not known. Some have estimated that she may have caused 50 fatalities..."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typhoid_Mary
Look up and watch those planes come in...
Good job officers. One less future honor student, doctor, lawyer, community activist, etc. to worry about.
But SCC , he was bipolar , schizophrenic.
Mental note: "Remind my two teenage boys to not slash a police car - never!"
Now Retired...
Good Luck Officers, glad you survived and went home to your families.
Every cop or everyone who has to make a judgment about cops, lawyers, IPRA, jurors should watch the Caliber Press video "Surviving Edge Weapons'.
It has been held in court a a proper threat assessment.
Available on YOUTUBE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-lDtCHFmvg
The little tyke didn't see the NO GUNS ALLOWED sign at the Orland Square Mall, I guess.
Teen Carjacked Worker at Orland Mall: Cops
Oct 22, 2014
The 17-year-old was already wanted in connection with a vehicular hijacking in Chicago.
Southtown/Star
I recently attended a Seminar that brought out the issue of Excited Delirium, which is recognized as the result of drug abuse but is not often recognized, AND CHICAGO POLICE AND THE MEDIA RECEIVE VIRTUALLY NO TRAINING ON THE SUBJECT. Some of the deceased's behavior are consistent with the symptoms of ED. And when people are in an ED meltdown, they are completely out of control. "G"
Good luck having this happen right before an election where Democrats are desperate.
I guess you can say the 17 y/o teen wasn't that sharp.
why is it only the police are sued when someone is shot.When someone is shot by a person on parole or probation why isn't the parole/probation board sued. If a police officer would have let him sliced and diced someone would that family have the right to sue for not taken any action.The officer could say I asked him politely to drop the knife. The man who raped you daughter or wife ran away I asked him politely to stop. Sorry you were just robbed I asked him politely to return your property but he refused, I am trying my hardest to be the best polite police officer you demanded after all of you silly law suits. I am tired of being second guessed by dumb juries who listen to bullshit lawyers These trials take years when I have only seconds to decide. If i arrest the person he has better than a 50% chance of being beating the case even though you the victim testify,even if found guilty he faces minimum punishment. I on the other hand lose my job and future.The tax payer losses millions. The lawyers make millions,the bad losses nothing but also makes millions for being an asshole.The evil people want me the polite officer to respond
I want you the victim to thank me for being so polite for not harming the person who just harmed you or you child. I am the polite officer every one wants
Laquan was turning his life around, he was either going to play in the NBA or become a rap artist. He was still on the fence though.
Chuck Darwin said:
LaQuan, thanks for proving me right once again.
I try very hard to take the side of police in violent altercations with open criminals, thugs.
I am 100% in support of officer Wilson in the Ferguson MO case.
That said, I would like to encourage Chicago Police officers to try very hard to use lethal gun force unless they absolutely have to. A teen with a knife is certainly dangerous, but a trained group of police men could handle many such confrontations without killing the perps with guns.
How about long clubs, stun guns? Rush the perp with shields?
I have a question. Do CPD bullet resistant vests work with knives ?
Stay strong CPD and try your best to use the right amount of force.
"...reported no known risk of exposure to Ebola during a screening..."
The very same thing Duncan said -- after having carried a dying Ebola patient in his arms with no protection at all, jumping into a taxicab, and taking her to the "hospital" -- an old warehouse with some tables and chairs and a few nail holes punched in the locked steel door for people to yell through, begging for help that's not coming.
The legal systems of two countries were moving on Duncan -- he was about to be charged with aggravated assault by Dallas County prosecutors when he died.
I get the feeling that his case won't be the last...
I happened to see this yesterday in the Trib via a link from the OT Money article. There weren't too many dumb comments at that time, one 'winner' was some dope that said, 'Why not just shoot him in the arm'. I replied to that genius and asked him to please never buy a gun.
The best comment on the stupidity of the tire slashing idiot -- aka the Dead Guy :-) -- was from a guy who wrote: "Play stupid games, win stupid prizes". I really like that one as it fits perfectly with these jag-bags who refuse to comply with police orders to drop the damn weapon and then -- Shock of shocks -- wind up dead.
Was "cut and dried" an unintended pun?
Chicago Public Schools enrollment drops again...
I see that the border's are tighten up.
Oh WTF!
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2014/10/21/two-passengers-from-liberia-to-chicago-quarantined/
CHICAGO (CBS) – Medical personnel in Chicago said they are using “an abundance of caution” for two patients being evaluated for Ebola, even though neither has been diagnosed with the disease, after each of them became sick on separate flights from Liberia to O’Hare International Airport.
CBS 2’s Susanna Song reports neither patient – a child and an adult who are not related – has a fever, and neither has been tested for Ebola, but both are being monitored at local hospitals.
The child began vomiting after boarding a flight from Liberia to Chicago, and was taken to Lurie Children’s Hospital after arriving in Chicago, to undergo stringent infection control protocols. The child later was taken to Comer Children’s Hospital at the University of Chicago, where he was in isolation Wednesday morning. His family has shown no signs of Ebola, but is under quarantine until an evaluation has been completed.
If you vote in IL or Chicago check your ballot! Vote being changed from GOP to Dem!
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/10/22/calibration-error-changes-gop-votes-to-dem-in-illinois-county/
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Knife's Up! Don't Shoot!
Will JJJr be marching for Ju$tice?
10/22/2014 01:13:00 AM
They frown on that in jail.
I have no pity for these people. All of a sudden when one of these shit bags get killed for threatening the lives of a po they are portrayed as the next Harvard or yale graduate. The media needs to start looking at their arrest record b4 stating that these are good kids who are now all of a sudden on the right track in life. What a farse
Monday morning .25 back says, "where were the tasers"?
"an idiot armed with a knife" ................he should have been treated as such. Perhaps he did not understand the commands. What happened to the use of force paradigm? preservation of life?
What about the use of a taser or hasp or baton?
Is our goal to eliminate future honor students, doctors lawyers, etc?
I can't believe how many idiots who are not the police say shoot him in his knee. Here's a better idea, turn your back to him, place a mirror in front of your face, shoot your weapon aiming for his pinky, then yell "I'm Annie Oakley Bitches!!"
I know why he didn't comply,he thought he could intimidate the police while approaching and welding a knife,in his mind he thought he could win,get these officer to back down and allow him his escape,if he don't know now he knows!
I think he just like the idea of people saying Laquan....got a nice ring to it, no?
Good job Officers. Let the "usual suspects" bitch and gripe and moan and groan. People are getting tired of their bullshit. People have died from "unarmed teens" playing their knockout game.
Take care of each other and go home at the end of your shift. People do appreciate your services and a big "F U" to those that don't!
This is a perfect example of why this job is a joke. A application just came out saying Sgts had to have a year in grade to apply for any unit. Yet, Sgt Nick L just got assigned to Area north Saturation with a mere 3 months as a Sgt. Oh it's because he's Greek and friends with the Deputy Chief Andrews. Total joke!,
Plewa put back on police department and owed a lot of money. Great guy, got screwed by department.
http://breakingnews.suntimes.com/chicago/chicago-police-board-decides-ex-cop-should-get-his-job-back/
its up to each individual police officer to make a split second decision to shoot or not to shoot;
perhaps using your night stick and form a wedge line, in group formation shout "back sir".."back sir";
while holding your night stick and moving forward motion using your night stick as a weapon to make repeated strikes at the mechanical weapon displayed and waved by this offender could have prevented this use of LETHAL FORCE.
all responding officers on scene at the time of the split second decision to shoot should be required to attend the one week course at the police academy: Crisis Intervention Training
we become more proficient with handling these type of armed offender encounters.
If these options fail like waiting for the Taser option to arrive on scene otherwise take care of business-lethal force is required:(
Off topic: Up for bid on Ebay is an FOP retirement star of the current style. The reverse photo shows that the retiree was named John [thumb covers last name], came on the job on 09 Sep 80, ands # is 3758. The seller is located in McHenry, Il.
I've always made jokes about the fact that the center of my FOP badge is rotated off center and that they didn't care enough or were not observent enough to notice it should have been a reject.
None the less, it bothers me to see such a recent retirement star up for sale. If anyone knows/knew a P.O. named John, Star # 3758 who came on the job 09 Sep 80, give him or his family a call and let them know.
And, yes, I am aware that it might be the family that is doing the selling.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I recently attended a Seminar that brought out the issue of Excited Delirium, which is recognized as the result of drug abuse but is not often recognized, AND CHICAGO POLICE AND THE MEDIA RECEIVE VIRTUALLY NO TRAINING ON THE SUBJECT. Some of the deceased's behavior are consistent with the symptoms of ED. And when people are in an ED meltdown, they are completely out of control. "G"
10/22/2014 08:52:00 AM
(I won't even go into the obvious 'E.D.' jokes.)
So, what you're saying is, because the person is nuts, we should not defend ourselves against the threat to life that he represents?
"I have a question. Do CPD bullet resistant vests work with knives ?"
10/22/2014 09:51:00 AM
Not when the motherf__er stabs you in the eye, or in the ear canal, slashes you across the face and neck (carotid artery), rips your arm open, hacks you in the leg (femoral artery) or sticks that blade up into your guts and just starts rooting around, spilling your insides onto the sidewalk.
Any other questions?
"an idiot armed with a knife" ................he should have been treated as such."
--10/22/2014 12:26:00 PM
He was.
"Perhaps he did not understand the commands."
Doesn't mean he'll be allowed to kill people.
"What happened to the use of force paradigm?"
Worked fine. One step higher. Right by the book.
"preservation of life?"
Worked fine too. Police preserved their lives and possibly those of others.
"What about the use of a taser or hasp or baton?"
What's a "hasp?"
"Is our goal to eliminate future honor students, doctors lawyers, etc?"
What planet are you posting from? Can't be this one.
Goof.
OT --
Uh, SCC, if you're gonna use Captcha, could we have the photos of house numbers instead of the funhouse-mirror-distorted words? I'm going blind.
Off topic: If the city isn't hiring any police next year, are at least some of those officers at the academy heading back to district assignments? Maybe people could get some time due in the summer then on the weekends. Would be nice.
"an idiot armed with a knife" ................he should have been treated as such. Perhaps he did not understand the commands. What happened to the use of force paradigm? preservation of life?
What about the use of a taser or hasp or baton?
Is our goal to eliminate future honor students, doctors lawyers, etc?
10/22/2014 12:26:00 PM
Lethal Force — Officers use lethal weapons to gain control of a situation. Should only be used if a suspect poses a serious threat to the officer or another individual.
Officers use deadly weapons such as firearms to stop an individual's actions.
Any copper who's being threatened by an individual armed with a knife is justified in using deadly force. Quit your armchair quarterbacking. If you believe it was a bad shooting and a taser or baton should have been used, get off your fat ass and apply to be a CPD officer. Maybe one day real soon you'll be able to face off with a future brain surgeon armed with a knife and you can employ verbal judo. Let us know how that works out for you. Oh wait, never mind, I'll just read about it in the obituaries. Asshat!
"I try very hard to take the side of police in violent altercations with open criminals, thugs.
I am 100% in support of officer Wilson in the Ferguson MO case.
That said, I would like to encourage Chicago Police officers to try very hard to use lethal gun force unless they absolutely have to. A teen with a knife is certainly dangerous, but a trained group of police men could handle many such confrontations without killing the perps with guns.
How about long clubs, stun guns? Rush the perp with shields?
I have a question. Do CPD bullet resistant vests work with knives ?
Stay strong CPD and try your best to use the right amount of force."
10/22/2014 09:51:00 AM
WTF! So many comments from ignorant people who have no clue about police work or the training that coppers get. Read this article about the 21 foot rule.
http://www.policeone.com/edged-weapons/articles/102828-Edged-Weapon-Defense-Is-or-was-the-21-foot-rule-valid-Part-1/
Sgt nic be to good to work district patrol , that one year rule doesn't apply.
To that "UNFIT FOR DUTY" lt. up north who has a wonderful gig, CHILL THE FUCK OUT! I don't want to call you a hypocrite.
"I recently attended a Seminar that brought out the issue of Excited Delirium, which is recognized as the result of drug abuse but is not often recognized, AND CHICAGO POLICE AND THE MEDIA RECEIVE VIRTUALLY NO TRAINING ON THE SUBJECT. Some of the deceased's behavior are consistent with the symptoms of ED. And when people are in an ED meltdown, they are completely out of control. "G"
10/22/2014 08:52:00 AM"
Wrong!!! I don't know about the media, however Chicago Police Officers are trained on excited delirium. Not all people with ED are completely out of control. Regardless of what the person has, shooting someone is based on threat assessment. I have had many subjects in crisis who were subdued by all levels of the use of force policy. But an unfortunate outcome may happen based on the threat itself.
" I have a question. Do CPD bullet resistant vests work with knives ?"
No. Bullet resistant vests work with blunt trauma only. Knives or sharp objects will go right through it.
Thank you for your question and support.
Fuck all the bullshit. Do what yuo need to do to get home safely to the ones you love. If an MF wont put the weapon down, use of deadly force is authorized.
Fuck all of you "why can't you shoot him in the knee?" Bitches. DO a job as a CPD officer and you will be either dead, or shooting to kill when in this situation.
Not LEO, but Airborne Ranger,ret.
Laquan be La Gone!
Stay safe Officers.
10/22/2014 08:52:00 AM
AND CHICAGO POLICE AND THE MEDIA RECEIVE VIRTUALLY NO TRAINING ON THE SUBJECT.
Now cops are suppose to be medical professionals too, psychologists, social workers.
The training is the gun!
Not a police officer
Where is Al The Rat Reverend, and JJJr?
I find it completely ironic that everyone of the protestors (violent or otherwise) that is calling for the arrest of Officer Wilson is promoting a good ole lynching. The evidence, released in drips and drabs, has indicated strongly that the shooting was justified. Now the autopsy report has been released and it is quite clear from the report that the shooting was justified.
http://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/stltoday.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/c/e0/ce018d0c-5998-11e4-b700-001a4bcf6878/5447202ea9b4e.pdf.pdf
Yet, everyone with an agenda is stirring the pot ( and probably smoking it too), and fomenting a figurative and "legal" lynching. Never mind the facts, give us our pound of flesh . . .if you don't, we'll just go cultural and burn this mutha down.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/08/mo-state-senator-former-member-of-switchblade-sistas-threatens-more-rioting-in-ferguson/
9:51am
I would prefer to use stronger language, but I will be polite and professional.
You are obviously not the police, obviously not there and obviously have no idea what you are talking about. You think a six sentence long narrative from a Chicago news outlet makes you educated and informed. The Chicago media has the principal purpose if misinformation for the purpose of sensationalism. You lack common sense and lack a grasp of what happens in the real world.
Until you wake up, PFO
I love all the "shoot him in the knee, hit the knife out of his hand with an asp, knock the knife out of his hand.
Seriously - are these people delusional?
To all the "shoot him in the knee" believers:
I am not Roy Rogers, I am not a martial arts cage fighter. I am a father, husband, son and brother. This is my chosen profession and I will do this job to the best of my ability. At the end of the day - I will go home - at all cost.
1:36PM.....
If you think Area North Saturation is a unit, you're soft.
A 17yo is dead because no one had a taser....that's pathetic
To: "...I have a question. Do CPD bullet resistant vests work with knives ?
Stay strong CPD and try your best to use the right amount of force.
10/22/2014 09:51:00 AM"
The standard type body KEVLAR body armor does not work well with high density penetrations like knife thrusts. There are some that do but they are very expensive and used by some prison guard unit.
And... there IS NO SUCH THING AS A BULLETPROOF VEST.
Anonymous said...
A 17yo is dead because no one had a taser....that's pathetic
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No asshole, a 17-year-old criminal is dead because he wouldn't put a knife down and advanced on the police. Use of Force model says Deadly Force. You use a Taser against a knife-wielding subject only if you're a moron....like you.
"perhaps using your night stick and form a wedge line, in group formation shout "back sir".."back sir";
10/22/2014 04:06:00 PM
You're an idiot.
What's more, you've been told that repeatedly. You also "fail to understand commands."
Fuck off.
10/22/2014 04:47pm
OMG your answer still has me laughing! You sir are fuckin hilarious:)
lol !!!
No loss to society.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I try very hard to take the side of police in violent altercations with open criminals, thugs.
I am 100% in support of officer Wilson in the Ferguson MO case.
That said, I would like to encourage Chicago Police officers to try very hard to use lethal gun force unless they absolutely have to. A teen with a knife is certainly dangerous, but a trained group of police men could handle many such confrontations without killing the perps with guns.
How about long clubs, stun guns? Rush the perp with shields?
I have a question. Do CPD bullet resistant vests work with knives ?
Stay strong CPD and try your best to use the right amount of force.
10/22/2014 09:51:00 AM
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Before anyone bashes you too hard, let me thank you for your support. Now let me ask you if you would be willing to accept the risk of getting a life threatening cut to try to take a knife away from a violent offender? Would you risk getting an artery cut or multiple stitches?
The vests are not knife proof, we don't have a bunch of shields handy while we are driving around or walking around and you have, understandably, no knowledge of close quarters combat or you would not have asked such questions.
Perhaps you could put yourself for a moment in the shoes of the men and women of law enforcement and ask yourself how frightened you would be if confronted with this person and how much you would be willing to risk in order to go home from a thankless job. I myself would encourage any cop or civilian to shoot a person with a knife. Any less force is foolish if you wish to stay alive.
Anonymous said...
I guess you can say the 17 y/o teen wasn't that sharp.
Surely you jest.
I try very hard to take the side of police in violent altercations with open criminals, thugs.
I am 100% in support of officer Wilson in the Ferguson MO case.
That said, I would like to encourage Chicago Police officers to try very hard to use lethal gun force unless they absolutely have to. A teen with a knife is certainly dangerous, but a trained group of police men could handle many such confrontations without killing the perps with guns.
How about long clubs, stun guns? Rush the perp with shields?
I have a question. Do CPD bullet resistant vests work with knives ?
Stay strong CPD and try your best to use the right amount of force.
I agree, was it necessary to shoot Lakquan? Why not issue officers very long sticks such as the knights of medieval times used or perhaps loud boom boxes to discombobulate the teen or perhaps the music could trick the teen brain to begin dancing thus dropping the knife.
Anonymous said...
A 17yo is dead because no one had a taser....that's pathetic
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Nothing says a taser should be used against an edged weapon. The Use of Force Model always says to use a level or force greater than that used by the assailant/aggressor etc. Taser is not even equal to a knife and is for uncooperative subjects.
Use of knife equals a gun is used by the police. Look on YouTube at what someone with a knife can do real quick. I've seen training videos of a knife wielding aggressor getting the best of an officer with a gun if within 20 feet and the gun is still holstered.
Stop with your pathetic crap. Educate yourself on what a skilled knife fighter can do. For someone who knows anatomy one little old slice can open up the brachial artery in the arm and death results after that very soon.
Why don't the officers have sling shots issued to them as an option for less than lethal force…Laquan would still be alive if the officer would have used a slingshot to knock the knife out of his hand. Laquan may have grown to be the next president but now the world will never know. Shame on you CPD...
You have a weapon in your hand?
The Police tell you to drop it as a mere courtesy...
There is NOTHING in ILCS that legally compels Policemen to give anybody a "warning" or endeavor not to shoot them "so hard."
Y'all cowards aren't blowing up Dude's Farcebook page when he shoots the shit out of Pookie so why all this crying and handwringing about "Po-leece cudda just knocked the knife outta that baby boy's han' 'steada shootin' him down on da skreets like a mad dawg!"
"Y'all Po-leece actin' like y'all scared to die or sump'n!"
(Actual stupidity said out loud at a beat meeting once upon a time and the topic was gang loitering. What was maddening was the chorus of agreement and head nods that went along with that ignant-assed statement.)
"Y'all cops just mad and full of hate for no reason!"
Yeah...
Mmm-Hmm...
Stay strong CPD and try your best to use the right amount of force.
10/22/2014 09:51:00 AM
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At the risk of saying it once again for the college miseducated, and boring the front line troops among us, stop taking social justice classes, they just make you stupider, I can think my way through this with minimal violence so we can have a happy ending!
Knives never jamb. They never need reloading. You can stab someone several times, most certainly fatally in a couple of seconds. If you are within 21 feet, that's the depth of your garage, Einstein, you can stab someone several times before they can pull a firearm out to protect themselves. Under stress, fine motor skills deteriorate, ie, shooting a firearm accurately, people like YOU get our soldiers killed in combat with your second guessing and you're trying to get the police killed because you don't want some sociopath to be harmed.
For all you taser people, I know someone who nearly got stabbed because the taser he deployed failed to operate correctly. He was saved from terrible injury by a coworker with quick reflexes pulling him out of the way JUST IN TIME as the asshole tried to stab him.
I'm always tickled when Chad and Heather, who have never had anything other than a shouting match in their entire, sheltered lives, try to tell someone how to react when their life is in danger of ending.
Bottom line is that too many people watch too much TV where the detectives or beat officers subdue assailants armed with a knife. In real life it doesn't work like that. There is no way a po can be trained to take a knife away from and armed man.
Anonymous said...
its up to each individual police officer to make a split second decision to shoot or not to shoot;
perhaps using your night stick and form a wedge line, in group formation shout "back sir".."back sir";
while holding your night stick and moving forward motion using your night stick as a weapon to make repeated strikes at the mechanical weapon displayed and waved by this offender could have prevented this use of LETHAL FORCE.
all responding officers on scene at the time of the split second decision to shoot should be required to attend the one week course at the police academy: Crisis Intervention Training
we become more proficient with handling these type of armed offender encounters.
If these options fail like waiting for the Taser option to arrive on scene otherwise take care of business-lethal force is required:(
10/22/2014 04:06:00 PM
That's the funniest thing I've read in a while.
If,by chance,you're not joking, I have the perfect crisis intervention tool-it's called .45 ACP.
Anonymous said...
Stay strong CPD and try your best to use the right amount of force.
10/22/2014 09:51:00 AM
The right amount of force is that which gets an officer home safely at the end of their tour. During my career there has been over 40 officers killed in the line. I don't give much of a shit about using a wee bit too much force on a wacko with a weapon. I just don't want people at my funeral to say "If only he used enough force..."
Anonymous said...
I guess you can say the 17 y/o teen wasn't that sharp.
Surely you jest.
10/22/2014 11:30:00 PM
Don't call me Shirley!
Age 17, and stabbing police cars with a knife.
On the other side of the coin --
10-year-old shooter: 'I want to be an inspiration'
updated 3:43 PM EDT, Fri October 17, 2014
"(CNN) -- She picks up the custom handgun painted in her favorite colors, purple and black.
"Her long, black braid bounces slightly with each of the six shots she fires. Metal pings signify when she's hit the mark. She runs to the next target. Nine more shots. Reload.
"Meet Shyanne Roberts, a 10-year-old competitive shooter who is out to prove something: Children with guns don't always mean disaster.
"I want to be an inspiration to other kids and be a leader," said the girl. "Kids and guns don't always mean bad things happen."
"Shyanne competes alongside junior shooters, who are participants younger than 18, and even adults. Last year, she beat out adult women to place second in the Women's Division of the New Jersey Ruger Rimfire Challenge.
"On October 31, she will square off against 200 of the top women shooters at the Brownell's Lady 3-Gun Pro-Am Challenge in Covington, Georgia. Shyanne is the youngest competitive shooter registered at the female-only event, according to the match director. The top shooter has a chance to win $5,000, as well as items from a prize table of guns, ammo and more..."
http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/17/living/10-year-old-competitive-shooter-irpt/
You go, girl!
Peaceful protest to be held Friday night 7pm at 4228 N Hermitage in remembrance of Michael Brown, please keep it peaceful.
Anonymous said...
Stay strong CPD and try your best to use the right amount of force.
10/22/2014 09:51:00 AM
NYPD using the right amount of force. Skip the taser, go directly to pistol if rifle is not handy.
New York City hatchet attack leaves officer in critical condition
A hatchet-wielding attacker charged a group of New York City police officers posing for a photograph on Thursday, wounded two, one critically, before the assailant was shot dead, police said.
The officers were on foot patrol when they were asked by a freelance photographer to pose for a picture on a Queens street at about 2 p.m., a New York Police Department spokesman said.
Suddenly a man carrying a hatchet charged the officers, swinging it and striking one officer in the right arm and then swinging it again and striking a second officer in the head, the spokesman said.
The remaining two officers fired their weapons at the man, hitting him. The suspect, whose identity was not yet confirmed but who was said to be approximately 32 years old, was pronounced dead at the scene.
Both officers were being treated at Jamaica Hospital, with the 25-year-old officer who was hit in the head undergoing surgery and in critical condition. The other officer, who is 24 years old, was in stable condition, the spokesman said.
"At this point, no known motive for this attack has been established," Police Commissioner William Bratton told a press conference.
Police declined to comment on media reports that the attack was tied to terrorism and that an internal memo urged officers to maintain a heightened level of awareness in the wake of recent attacks in Canada.
All four officers involved in the New York City incident graduated on July 8 from the city Police Academy.
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Where is the moron and his ridiculous "no taser available and a terrorist is dead, pathetic" type comment?
A 17yo is dead because no one had a taser....that's pathetic
10/22/2014 09:21:00 PM
No, a 17yo is dead because he started out breaking the law, got caught, and didn't follow verbal commands.
This would have been a CDTP with an I-bond from court the next day. Instead, the offender chose to make it a justifiable homicide.
...Chris Rock - how not to get your ass kicked by the police - You Tube...
"Your primary task is to do what is necessary to protect yourselves and your fellow officers."
Actually it's not. Your primary purpose is to protect the public. It's not that police shouldn't protect themselves, but the "whatever it takes to come home safe" attitude is a big part of the current problem with policing and hiring/retaining unsuitable individuals, folks who only feel safety in numbers and panic when they don't have that.
While I don't personally have a problem with mopes like this being shot, when the person is just standing there and refusing to drop the knife, but not actually advancing, you need to have someone at least attempt to zap them with the Tazer, as a prequel to shooting them, that's what it was developed for and it looks better in the AAR.
If you're a "fear biter" who never should have got hired to do a man's job that does a mag dump every time "I felt threatened", you need to find another one. Don't be making fun of pussy shit like that and then doing the exact same thing yourself.
Anonymous said...
"Your primary task is to do what is necessary to protect yourselves and your fellow officers."
Actually it's not. Your primary purpose is to protect the public. It's not that police shouldn't protect themselves, but the "whatever it takes to come home safe" attitude is a big part of the current problem with policing and hiring/retaining unsuitable individuals, folks who only feel safety in numbers and panic when they don't have that.
While I don't personally have a problem with mopes like this being shot, when the person is just standing there and refusing to drop the knife, but not actually advancing, you need to have someone at least attempt to zap them with the Tazer, as a prequel to shooting them, that's what it was developed for and it looks better in the AAR.
If you're a "fear biter" who never should have got hired to do a man's job that does a mag dump every time "I felt threatened", you need to find another one. Don't be making fun of pussy shit like that and then doing the exact same thing yourself.
10/25/2014 03:29:00 PM
What are you on about man?
YOU can check YOUR self preservation/survival impulse at the door if you want to...
You're saying that a Policeman's life has no value versus an armed miscreant refusing a LAWFUL order to drop his weapon?
"Say pretty please..."
You're goofy...
"Fear Biter?"
If you really know anything at all about Policing and Policemen, the majority hold their fire past time they're LAWFULLY justified in shooting.
STFU fella...
Your beef is with the laws governing use of force but since you can't change the law, you pick fights with Policemen and cast aspersions on their training and mindset to survive these bad encounters.
Policemen have no directed duty to protect the public.
There is plenty of litigation out there on this matter.
Again... Something you don't like but you'll have to get over it.
Yes... The Policeman's primary duty is to protect himself and his fellow officers.
Especially in this "War On The Police and All Their Concerns" era...
You're miffed because you see The Police circling their wagons and putting distance because they're realizing they have no friends, allies or clear-eyed impartial judges of the actions they have to take.
Policing is a dangerous, messy, unpredictable, treacherous, shit doo-doo job dealing with fucked-up, messy, unpredictable shit doo-doo people.
The majority aspire to work this job, give a good account of themselves, survive their 20 to 40 years and get out in one piece.
I love all the "shoot him in the knee, hit the knife out of his hand with an asp, knock the knife out of his hand.
Seriously - are these people delusional?
To all the "shoot him in the knee" believers:
I'd not go so far as to call them delusional.
There are too many civilians out there that have never shot a gun or taken a self defense course. But they watch all sorts of bullshit that Hollywood and the networks put out on TV and in movies.
As such they have no fucking clue that law enforcement is trained to shoot for center mass.
Or to put it better, I shoot at your arm, and I miss; and the bullet continues to travel until it hits something. That something could be an innocent life.
dumb ass kid...all there is too it
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