That Was Quick
- A Chicago police officer has been disciplined after he admitted playing a song some consider racially offensive during a protest against police violence last weekend, the department announced in a statement Thursday.
The action was taken after a video surfaced apparently showing a Chicago police car blasting the song “Sweet Home Alabama” by the band Lynyrd Skynyrd during the Saturday protest.
In the statement, the officer said he was playing the music as a "fan of the University of Alabama," which was playing the University of Missouri for the SEC championship and a shot at the NCAA playoffs.
But the department said it "fully understands sensitivities related to the song and, regardless, we cannot condone any behavior that may be viewed as disruptive or disrespectful to any protester or resident."
"CPD is dedicated to ensuring residents' right to free speech and peaceful assembly," it added.
The officer will be suspended for 10 days pending the approval of Superintendent Garry McCarthy, according to a source.
Someone want to explain to us how this violated anyone's right to free speech or assembly?
Juvenile? Ill-timed? Misuse of Department property? All viable accusations. Violating First Amendment rights? Not even close. Racist? Not if you ask the guys who wrote and performed the song.
And all wrapped up in five days? That must be some sort of Christmas miracle. Was anyone even served with papers? Upon service, you have 72 hours to respond...that's three days right there. Closing paperwork? Command Channel Review? Sounds like a railroad job to us.
NOTE: anyone accusing us of reflexively defending the officer will have their comment deleted. Supposedly, he admitted it, but there's still a thing called "due process," even for disciplinary issues, and it certainly doesn't look like it was followed. You don't shortcut the system for political reasons - that's a horrible precedent to set. That's how contracts get abrogated.
Juvenile? Ill-timed? Misuse of Department property? All viable accusations. Violating First Amendment rights? Not even close. Racist? Not if you ask the guys who wrote and performed the song.
And all wrapped up in five days? That must be some sort of Christmas miracle. Was anyone even served with papers? Upon service, you have 72 hours to respond...that's three days right there. Closing paperwork? Command Channel Review? Sounds like a railroad job to us.
NOTE: anyone accusing us of reflexively defending the officer will have their comment deleted. Supposedly, he admitted it, but there's still a thing called "due process," even for disciplinary issues, and it certainly doesn't look like it was followed. You don't shortcut the system for political reasons - that's a horrible precedent to set. That's how contracts get abrogated.
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posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
172 Comments:
anyone know how that "10" day suspension was calculated? I will admit i am do not know all the policy rules by heart, but all I see is a mis use of dept equipment...
You may not be defending him, and then again neither am I. He shouldn't misuse police equipment publicly in such an obvious manner.
Due process is for everybody but Policemen.
Yeah... This was a rush job to show that if nothing else,
Policemen will be held more accountable than the death cultists on the west and south sides will ever be.
"You Cops got rules!
They don't. Get over it!"
For 10 days I wish they would have been playing "I fought the law and the law won"
Only ten days? Shiiiiiit. I can handle that. Good to know. I'll play 'Baby You're a Rich Man,' by the Fat Boys, the next time I have to be bothered to babysit these milksops.
Dumb question, does the officer have any legal recourse? Could he file a suit or perhaps a grievance as there was zero due process? There is no way that is prohibiting or violating ANYONE'S first amendment rights. That is just kowtowing to the black community is all that is. 10 days seems a little exorbitant if you ask me. For playing a song? The shitbirds fly down 111th and 115th streets blaring their offensive thug music during their funeral processions, yet the neighborhood can't complain and state that it's infringing on their peace because NOTHING is ever done about THAT. When will this madness end? The officer needs a 10-1 benefit. It should be Skynyrd themed.
10 days?!! Wow! For what really?
"That was quick", and speaking of. Dean has been in office all of 8 months and has done the opposite of everything he campaigned on. The Dec 16th meeting should be interesting. Some predict it to be a "fiasco". 18th district coppers are going to cram the house, so will 001! -And capperlli, you cant keep hiding your kickbacks from attorneys with bullshit entries in your "books" and your jagoff attitude towards us. Why don't you sit on stage, you asshole?
When's the benefit? I got a retro check coming, I can spare a few bucks. Fuck this city and all their pandering!
SCC
OK - all points you said - well-taken.
The BIG question is - WHERE IS THE FOP?
Anything "political" or "racist" you don't hear a peep out of them for defense.
Also - Where were all the dues-collecting unions and FOP chapters when it comes to making a statement about the political railroading of Wilson in Ferguson?
If I was in the union, I would be asking the question- "What the HELL am I paying dues for AND what will FOP do for me if I get hung out to dry?"
This is the same organization you are going to depend on when it comes to defending your pensions?
crickets,,,,,crickets,,,,crickets
I'm not sure what the rules are here for posting links but here's a pretty good takedown of the idea of that song being racist:
http://popdust.com/2014/09/11/sweet-home-alabama-not-racist-lynyrd-skynard-neil-young-feud/
Da mayor was driving this bus!
If you have never taken a ride on the bus you may think you have rights.
The cell phone will have you fired in a minute ask the guys in New York!
10 DAYS IS A CAKE WALK...
Anything to satisfy the mob.
why ???? Just why do it at all???
backwards & wrong
I support the cops in all you do, God bless you all
"That Was Quick" Because its a bunch of pricks inside.
Another PO turned instantly into a do little or nothing.
And Dean approved of this one? Wow. Thanks PhD wiz. Even the bangers know delay/delay/delay.
This is what happens when you have unsupervised kids playing police.
They know how to do bullshit 3 bag weed pinches and ANOVs for open beers all day long with their eyes closed, but aren't smart enough to keep their mouths shut when the shit hits the fan.
PROBLEM: most of today's tact teams don't have senior officers to lend experience and guidance to the Hair Gels with every day stuff like policy and procedure, nor are they around to help/possibly prevent Officers Baseball Cap and Blue Jeans from stepping on their dicks. The older guys saw the writing on the wall and got out while the gettin' was good.
PROBLEM: 98% of the supervisors on the job today are spineless punks that will leave you twisting in the wind when the hammer drops. I'll bet this guy's sergeant and/or lieutenant told him to just 'take his medicine' because they don't want THEIR little worlds interrupted. But no doubt they had a lot to say and no problems asking this guy to bring in the numbers.
IAD must've rattled his cage pretty good to get him to spill his guts and accept a 10 day whack while foregoing the formal CR investigation process. Does this kid not know that he has contractual protections? I hope to God he called FLOP before signing off on anything. And if he DID call FLOP, is this what they told him to do? Does this kid know that Stuporintendent McGunmagnet can increase the recommended 10 day penalty when it hits his desk for review? Ask around, young man - the Supe has been doing just that, and with alarming regularity.
"You don't shortcut the system for political reasons - that's a horrible precedent to set. That's how contracts get abrogated."
You are 100% correct, SCC. The Bossholes and IAD rats pushed this kid onto the sword of political expediency at the direction of Tiny Dancer and the Stuporintendent, fearing repercussions from the likes of Pfather Pfaker, WifeBeater Hardiman and Jesse Jackass. They don't want those pesky protestors floating around downtown exercising their First Amendment rites any longer than they've already been.
As far as abrogating the contract? Two-thirds of the Lodge 7 membership that cast ballots at the conclusion of contract negotiations pretty much did just that.
Swift and fast punishment will be the norm, mark my word.
Its best to keep quite and uses common sense. You never know who watching or beefing on you. For exsample: CMMD Nagoti. Is it true you told a protester " i sign your papers if you promise not to shot someone tonite." Or the PO
"Thanks for my ot ." At last week protest in one Wabash and the river. Body Mic.
I smell strong arm tactics. Maybe something like take the ten days or we can make life more miserable for you.
The officer should sue the city for lost pay. He didn't break any laws.
I will contribute to this po. You provided a much needed laugh to police everywhere. pass the basket, amen.
I've been a cop for 20 years. Done this and that , OCD, tact etc. worked the whole time. Done my fair share of stupid shit. End of the day I learned that :IF you do your job the way you are trained and in a professional matter; you are good... If you start being an imature child and act goofy, then things like this happen. Don't be cute.
"Its best to keep quite and uses common sense. You never know who watching or beefing on you. For exsample: CMMD Nagoti. Is it true you told a protester " i sign your papers if you promise not to shot someone tonite." Or the PO
"Thanks for my ot ." At last week protest in one Wabash and the river. Body Mic."
12/12/2014 04:06:00 AM
Huh?
"...the department said it 'fully understands sensitivities related to the song and, regardless, we cannot condone any behavior that may be viewed as disruptive or disrespectful to any protester or resident.'"
Yo. "Regardless." Please go crawl off under something solid and expire.
Please.
When's the benefit? I got a retro check coming, I can spare a few bucks. Fuck this city and all their pandering!
12/12/2014 12:55:00 AM
I am amazed at what "offends" people these days. While it was stupid, it didn't rise to this level, 10 days? I always thought the song was a catchy dig at Neil Young. who knew it was so "racist".
That being said, a benefit? Nope. Not for this. Like I said, it was dumb. Let him take his lumps. When he gets jammed doing police work, I'll buy the ticket.
I figured that was going to happen. I am not sure what the officer was thinking. In today's climate I would not do anything to draw attention to myself. This kid will probably be dumped back to the watch and remain there for a long time. this incident will be held over his head for the rest of his career. He is dubbed a racist by the masses and anything he does will be scrutinized. I hope this kid goes back to watch and does nothing but answer his calls. No extra work for the department. Times have changed and if you are a white officer you are going to be made an example of when it comes to this kind of stuff. I don't know the race of the office but of this were a black officer would they believe his story about supporting the University team? Would this even be an issue?
I really get a pathetic laugh out of stories like this. My wife and I are white. My wife's best friend and roomate from college is black. She is from Alabama, born and raised. He favorite song is "Sweet Home Alabama". She would be insulted along with the majority of people from Alabama that anyone would get suspended for playing that song.
Political correctness has ruined this country. When perception is the only reality we have, we are finished. Maybe the University of Virginia can shut down all Greek life after somebody lied. Thats right they already did
No one saw that he admitted it. First thing I learned on this job....
Admit nothing
Deny everything
Demand proof
That is a great song, and I love the comment about Neil Young in it. Nothing to warrant disciplinary action here.
Unless you're a feeble minded-Democrat.
I bet if he would have had some Chief Keef song advocating violence, they would've cheered and no disciplinary action.
If another lesson may be gleamed from this incident it's that cameras are everywhere and the CPD does not play fair.
I was always told that discipline is supposed to be progressive in nature.
If it's 10 days for a first time playing a song, any of you part-time DJ's out there better put in your retirement papers now.
Now Retired...
This was nothing...
Back in the Jane Byrne era we use to ride to the sound of the guns blasting Wagner's "Ride of the Valkyries".
Just like in Apocalypse Now. All that was missing was the smell of napalm.
10 days seems a little excessive for playing a song.
If it was handled through the CR process he would get served then have 72 hours to respond, but if they handled it through a SPAR, it could easily be done in a couple days. CRs stick around a very long time. A spar is taken out of the system one year after it hits the system.
Pandering to the race baiters ... plain and simple.
No doubt this came directly from Rahm. Election time is fast approaching you know.
But it would be alright if he blasted 'F the Police' by Ice T.
Its best to keep quite and uses common sense. You never know who watching or beefing on you. For exsample: CMMD Nagoti. Is it true you told a protester " i sign your papers if you promise not to shot someone tonite." Or the PO
"Thanks for my ot ." At last week protest in one Wabash and the river. Body Mic.
I see English is NOT your first language. Who gave your illiterate (stupid) ass permission to post. Stick to picture books, and come back when your as smart as a second grader.
C'mon officer - this really goes against Rahm's 'Chicago is a city of great love & harmony' public relations campaign!
Seems politically correct BS is now off the charts. Pretty soon, cops won't be able to arrest certain ethnic groups becuase it will be considered racists. Un-fucking-believable.
Can this not be grieved? If so it is certainly winnable.
Look up mediation in the FOP contract, that's how this happened so fast
Know your contract
I'm not defending the guy, but a resolution in 5 days seems... well, other than no due process, it just seems like quick and arbitrary. It doesn't make any sense.
Meanwhile, officers with much, much worse misconduct are still on the street.
Ten days for playing audio.
He could have used a bull horn, laid down on LSD and stopped all traffic.
He would have got an I-Bond.
My guess is that the Officer felt losing his spot would be far worse than taking the time.
the city should have impounded the car for noise.
anyone see the news with the black offenders beating up the old white guy on the cta train... "here is your report sir, these black offenders might want to resist or even disarm/batter me," next job
How do you know he didn't receive a Spar? A spar, esp. if he accepts it, can be resolved in a quick manner.
Wow. Cooter only got dumped and a day for not shaking Mc clues hand.
That would never happen in 020 tact (we only work 2 hours a day, wouldn't have the chance).
Ok he did a dumb thing. At least he admitted it, took the heat and avoided the Rule 14 violation nonsense by not dragging others into this mess or coming up with a ridiculous story.
I like the college football reference tho.
Another PO turned instantly into a do little or nothing.
exactly...
but that's what society whats and boy are they getting.lol..
Hey Fart, It must be nice to admit you are a do nothing check casher and sit back in your house and call out anyone with less time on the job but you! See the only problem I see in this department is it has too many blow hards such as yourself. This officer made a mistake and is taking the lumps, and you wanna make his out to be a piece of shit. Keep hiding behind your bullshit. Lets be honest you probably never worked to begin with. Stay lazy my friend!
All-in-all not a smart thing to do in todays anti-police climate. Everyone has a video phone these days and they are looking for their few minutes of fame at the expense of a working copper with poor judgement. Times have changed. My advice, take the time and move on.
Officer, add 10 days on the medical next summer.
The officers actions were meant to agitate and provoke. You can sugarcoat it all you want here.
Yes, young people play a variety of offensive music from their cars today.
Guess what? You're not THEM...you're the POLICE.
Anytime you wanna go out there and be THEM, just make sure you've turned in your star, hat shield & ID on your way out the door.
Message was sent from 3510. Hope it was received by all. Grow up, or get out.
You call it a SPAR. One, two, three done. And after he is SPARed he can't be disciplined again for the same violation so no CR.
What if I played polka music? would that be okay?
Just A Citizen: Wait, you mean that the thugs can spit on you, throw bottles of urine at you, shoot at you, ram their cars into your vehicles and you can't play a song? Something is wrong here....
I am glad that I pulled the pin after 30 in 1999.
TRIBUNE
Attorney General in Chicago to talk about police tactics
U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder will appear in Chicago Friday to lead a round table discussion on how to build trust between police and the communities they serve, officials said.
Related NY prosecutor seeks to probe police killings of unarmed civilians
Holder will meet with the U.S. Attorney for the Northern District of Illinois, Zachary Fardon, Mayor Rahm Emanuel and other law enforcement officials to talk about how police can improve the way they relate to residents and protect vulnerable, troubled communities.
This is Holder's third stop on a six-city tour where he has addressed the public's unrest about police tactics.
Holder's visit comes during a wave of national and international protests as residents, activists and community leaders have taken to the streets to draw attention to what they say is a pattern of police abuse, mainly against African-Americans.
Ot
Dear Rahm:
Happy holidays to you and your family. Congratulations on the completion of your new park as well! Also, I heard you received some big donations for your re-election campaign recently! Well deserved! It's been a special time for me too. I have really enjoyed the time I've shared with several protest groups recently. It's refreshing to hear the views of clueless white hippies articulated so well even though it's obvious they hate me. Meanwhile, in the southside African American neighborhood where I work, citizens are celebrating the holiday season by murdering each other. Black lives matter! They hate me too. I already told santa what I want for Christmas but I thought I'd better write to you, just in case he hates the police now. Mr. Mayor, you would make this just the most special Christmas ever if you could have someone remove the dead rats from the air ducts in the 003rd district station. It's been 2 years, and we're all used to it now but dead animal smell fills the building every time the heat is turned on and it really makes our African American arrestees uncomfortable; and well... Black lives matter.
Merry Christmas
Go Fuck Yourself
04:06:00am - lets see, last call was at 3:45, bar closed at 4:00 and you were a blithering idiot by 4:06. You really need to get help for that problem.
STUPID, but 10 days???
Sounds to me like the officer threw his mercy on the court and agreed to whatever punishment was recommended.
If this is true, you're right SCC, he undercut the rest of us. Let them serve you, request counsel and answer the beef. Appeal any punishment if you feel it's excessive (or warranted at all).
I used to get stuck doing a school dismissal at a particularly problematic south side school which was known for it's afterschool fights.
Be visible, park right at a crossing corner and be there if the shit hit the fan.
There would be the daily posturing and bullshit by the little darlings. The look at you and spit, the bird flip offs and scowls, etc.
But my squad had a totally misaligned windshield wiper solution jet. To get a better look at the possible future troublemakers I would clean my windshield. One jet would hit my windshield and the other one was like a mini super soaker shooting straight out from the car.
The 'Awww mannn's" elicited each day still put a smile on my face.
Imagine a boss trying to admonish you. OFFICER!!!! ARE YOU AWARE OF WHAT YOU JUST DID THERE!!!
Yes sir, I just cleaned my windshield. Anything else you want to know?
Ah, memories.
can we defend the song?
10 f&king DAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Are you kidding me - for playing music - this dept. is fuc$$d!!!!!
Many years ago we would have a party for the officer and raised the money to cover 10 days pay. Hope they still do things like that. We would even do it for some SGTS who tried to go to bat for us and got time.
I won't say the name or the watch or the beat car. But there is a bozo in 025 who does the same thing. He plays rap music over the car loud speaker in the thirty sector. Real amateurish, unprofessional and stupid. Especially in the age of smartphone video cameras.
No conspiracy, just read the contract:
Section 6.12 — Mediation.
At any time during an investigation, prior to an accused officer giving a statement, the parties may agree to mediate the resolution of the Complaint Register investigation. The “parties” shall mean the accused officer, with or without his or her Lodge representative, and a representative of IAD or IPRA, as appropriate. The IAD/IPRA investigator assigned to the case will not be present at the mediation. Prior to the mediation session, IAD/IPRA shall cause the accused officer to be served with a Notice of Administrative Rights and a Notice of Charges and Allegations, which will include the rule violation and the factual basis therefore. Neither party is required to meet. The representatives at the meeting shall discuss the allegations and IAD’s/IPRA’s position regarding the finding of the case. The parties shall discuss whether they can reach accord as to a disposition. By accepting the discipline, the accused officer is waiving his or her right to grieve or appeal the decision, and the accused officer is not required to submit any statement or response. If the accused officer does not agree with IAD’s/IPRA’s position, the disciplinary process will continue as designated.
Statements made and information relayed at the mediation which are not included in the file will not be used against the officer or included in the file at any later date.
If IAD/IPRA and the accused officer agree on a penalty less than separation, it is binding on both parties. However, the Superintendent retains the right to seek the separation of an officer.
He played a song. Not a racist song, or a rap song demanding death and destruction either. Violation of the constitution? WTF? Soft as baby sh!t these so called leaders of ours. So sound impounds were in place to protect the constitution? I can't believe how many of us drink the koolaid and cater to the savages.
He/She used poor judgement for sure.
This quick and harsh punishment flies in the face of due process though. In other words Rahm's got his fingerprints all over it.
http://www.historybits.com/thugs-thuggees.htm
Thuggees or Thugs were a well organized, hereditary cult that practiced large scale robbery and murder, justified by their belief in serving Kali. Membership induction was often passed from father to son
Kali Goddess of strife and destruction
The Thugs were a very close fraternity and used special jargon (ramasi) and hand signs to communicate with each other. Such secret communication methods allowed fellow Thugs to recognize each other in the furthest, most remote parts of India
Its a FACT
Cant make this shit up...
Unmarked cars don't have pa's. Could it be no officer actually came forward? In fact maybe not even investigated. The press release and so called slap of an officer was as fake as Donna Rice on Benghazi just to shut this thing down quickly?
Anonymous said...
For 10 days I wish they would have been playing "I fought the law and the law won"
12/12/2014 12:23:00 AM
""Anonymous Dr. Demento said...
Only ten days? Shiiiiiit. I can handle that. Good to know. I'll play 'Baby You're a Rich Man,' by the Fat Boys, the next time I have to be bothered to babysit these milksops.
12/12/2014 12:27:00 AM
good choices, but may I suggest "how do you want it?" by Tupac Shakur while jousting your taser in one hand and your night stick in the other...
I mean you want to earn those ten days off right?
Ridiculous. Nothing more to say.
Let start by saying this is bullshit and he shouldn't be disciplined at all, OR perhaps minimally for getting caught improperly utilizing Department equipment. With that said.... There may not have been an investigation, it possibly was done through the spat process. The spar can be satisfied with up to 10 days and doesn't require a lengthy investigation. Some will see it as a sgt or lt throwing him under the bus but others will see it as an attempt to avoid an IAD investigation with the potential to hit him with 20 or 30 days for political purposes. He may have come forward and said uh oh! And his boss said lets cut and run. Sit quiet and hope they don't identify? Drag everyone out there through an investigation? Wait for the political and media bullshit to heat up? YOU DECIDE what was right.
10 days makes it all go away. Everyone is happy and move on nothing more to see here. He fessed up and saved his partner and the others in the detail from statements and time. They should be thanking him for standing up.Lesson learned and move on.
Aren't we in the spotlight enough?
Anonymous said...
why ???? Just why do it at all???
12/12/2014 01:46:00 AM
I unequivocally concur with you're sentiments. It's really sad and pathetic how some people continue to justify egregious behavior. We continue to be our own worst enemy. Smdh
How did they figure which car it was from several cars following the protesters? How can they prove the song wasnt dubbed into the video? How can they prove the song has racial overtone? Never admit shit, PROVE I DID IT and then we'll talk about a plea deal
I would have played Metallica
Oh lord thank God I'm retired....we used to blast "welcome to the jungle".
what ever happened to tony bennet Christmas music
I can do 10 days easily, get back to me when you hit the 100 day mark kid!!!
Wait a minute.....dont you gus get it? Its just prior to the election. Tiny dancer cant have this postponed in any fashion, he must show the curmunerty dat he be havin crontrl of hiz po po an dat his bitch hand (the one with the stub) be werkng yo. yo.yo. D.A. gotz to be in line so dat junior gets his promote baaaaaaby. Junior be lookin to getz some stripes instead of a dress shirt and tie. All back door shit. Nice Dean. N.G.F.Y.
Gabriel Michael, professional rat bastard.
Karma sucks.
It seems like you're using a very tight definition of violating someone's right to free speech/assembly. It certainly isn't a huge stretch to interpret a cop blaring "Sweet Home Alabama" (a song, that while perhaps not racist itself has been co-opted as a Confederate nostalgic anthem) while trailing a procession of mostly black people protesting police violence against minorities as a form of intimidation or, at least, as a "Fuck you, we don't care about your concerns.", either of which, I think we can all agree, are unbecoming of a police officer.
I'm no expert on police disciplinary procedures, but isn't it possible that IAD or whoever sat him down, pulled this up on YouTube, and that, faced with pretty damning evidence, the guy just decided plead "no contest" and decided fighting it wasn't worth the hassle?
Dean Angelo is only interested in lining his pockets with kickbacks from the law firm that is "handling" FOP business. The majority of you are so soft in the head & balls that you'll will vote for Dean Angelo junior if he runs for FOP President the next time around.
It sure sounds like a lot of people have not had other jobs outside of police land. Suspension and due process aside it was just dumb to do. I don't know nothing about it being racist and all that but
clearly dumb. There was no reason to play anything from the car. Duh you're at a march with people protesting you...anything you do outside of department procedures, you got quite a few anxious to drop a dime. He got ten days for being dumb and embarrassing the dept not for violating people's rights. Why anyone is comparing what you can
do on work time in a dept car to what a private citizen can do...I dunno. Nobody's stopping you from getting some speakers and blasting Sweet Home Alabama from your personal car in the hood...but it was on the city dime.
Dumb question, does the officer have any legal recourse? Could he file a suit or perhaps a grievance as there was zero due process? There is no way that is prohibiting or violating ANYONE'S first amendment rights. That is just kowtowing to the black community is all that is. 10 days seems a little exorbitant if you ask me. For playing a song? The shitbirds fly down 111th and 115th streets blaring their offensive thug music during their funeral processions, yet the neighborhood can't complain and state that it's infringing on their peace because NOTHING is ever done about THAT. When will this madness end? The officer needs a 10-1 benefit. It should be Skynyrd themed.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Get it through your heads people. We are at work. We have rules to be professional. Do not misuse police equipment... Do not bring discredit to the department. Both rules that were broken. If you don't like thugs blasting music on 111th street there are rules for that also... It's called a sound impound. Get off the keyboard and stop complaining and do a traffic stop and take the car. While at work don't do stupid stuff. Don't try to compare what we are supposed to do at work with what the thugs do.. It's not the same and it's not a double standard.. Guys talk about due process also... They quoted the officer as saying he was playing the music because he was an Alabama fan. He admitted it on the spot, two rule violations right there. End of story enjoy your time off its not the end of the world, just smarten up
It was meant to intimidate a legally convened assembly. At best, it was meant to belittle one.
I'm no expert, but how long would due process for this take, if they showed him the video and he said, "Shit. You got me."?
Make sure to play some Lynard Skynard for Rambo when he noses around looking for votes on the NW and SW side.
The suspension is ridiculous.
Loose lips sink Ships,unless he was questioned on paper and article 14 can get u fired anyway,as they say it is, what it is! We learn from our mistakes,And I do mean we!
At least he didn't cause someone like this idiot to get 100,000! Merry Christmas. http://m.ajc.com/news/news/cobb-county-to-pay-100k-to-woman-who-cursed-cops/njQqC/
any music other than rap/hip-hop with a few exceptions such as james brown & mo-town, is racist & should be made illegal.
We are in the midst of a Great Despotism & there may be no way outta here
Regardless. Hes a softball for doing that. Pretty stupid stunt.
So when white victims get robbed in these windings do the thugs blasting gangsta crap out of the there shit box get disciplined too?
tosh.0 would ask, "is it racsist?"
Here's American Idol winner Ruben Studdard and his band:
http://youtu.be/xUluUU0zfko
GMac's government sponsored appeasement.
It's a Reprimand at most.
Fight the power pilgrim.
I would grieve this!
It violates the progressive discipline clause!
At most, as a first offense is a Spar or Reprimand!
This Police Dept. and City are full of stupid bosses!
By the way, violate my First Amendment Rights! I'll be looking for a 7 figure check!
Well we all know this Officer isn't connected, he's being thrown under the bus by the Supe no surprise there. But that Punk Runt Weasel FOP Prez Angelo is keeping his Rahm service hole shut as well.
That's where the outrage should be directed.
"As far as abrogating the contract? Two-thirds of the Lodge 7 membership that cast ballots at the conclusion of contract negotiations pretty much did just that.
12/12/2014 02:45:00 AM"
Ponder that when you cash your retro spineless cowards
While harmless, it is still unprofessional. Really, use common sense people. What would you expect to happen? Everyone knows protests are recorded,why give anyone ammunition, especially now during the war on Police. However, 10 days is a little excessive.
This is a grievance looking for a place to happen...
You guys need to stop making yourselves easy targets for these bad people (and folks ;^) for cryin' out loud!
This administration, the craven bossholes, the prog-tards and their catered to constituent allies won't be satisfied until it's actually The Police who have their hands up...
And once The Police put their hands up, even thought the Joyful Haters will dance with glee at their "victory" against the cops, not a single living ass will ever enjoy relative safety after that.
Your public safety needs will be attended to by the Cocked Hat Public Safety/Revenue & Customer Service Aides of Chicago.
Fuckery's monumental hat-trick for when The Police are finally done for in this town.
Lol!
And you all think The Police in their present iteration are the problem now?
Just you wait until this other shit becomes reality.
The song itself isn't racist. doing it was just meant to be in good fun while a crowd of "anti" people march with lies chanting "hands up - don't shoot" and racists signs like "black lives matter" as if police officers don't matter. What about all the chants and signs of "fuck the police", calling us pigs and cowards white scum all while spitting at us and flipping us the bird. so the song, maybe wasn't the best of times but come on, really! 10 day suspension. How about a reprimand and call it a day.
How long till the city rips the radios out of squad cars? Typical knee jerk reaction when one copper does something ill advised!
A benefit would make $$ for this officer. We all have some retro coming!
Roll Tide. hope not
Knee jerk reaction because of everything going on because of what grand juries do and don't do,did the po do something stupid in the situation he was in? Yes.
Worth a suspension? Absolutely not
It should be the same as a court deviation.
Wtf. Has the dept. ever worked a complaint this fast in history?
'Bama was playing that day, don't see what the big deal is.
A 'Bama fan, supporting his team.
It should be a verbal reprimand or a SPAR at best. Ten days? The most that officer did wrong was playing a song for his own entertainment through a department vehicle speaker system. Explain to me how that song is even close to being racist since it is being played on radio stations to this day. Will Rahm and McCarthy stoop so low as to let Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson sodomize them without Vaseline in the name of race relations and hurt feelings?
Sticks and stones can break my bones, but names can never hurt me. But actions, well actions can hurt. Now actions like hitting someone in the head, that constitutes a whole lot more that someone's feigned offense at words. Look at how this assault is being reported. "Just plain mean", That's all. Assault is now "just plain mean". Never do they state this old man was assaulted. What was done to him was "just plain mean". Rudyard Kipling wrote an interesting little ditty called The Wrath of the Awakened Saxon. When Western man? When?
Rahm has proven time and time again that he doesn't give a shit about laws, contracts, due process etc.
We need this jag bag voted out.
10 days 10 days really boss! We have NO LEADERSHIP bunch of sheep scared if you do anything at all productive learn boys and girls do nothing and 10 days!! Insanity is now CPD! Once proud now I have no answers! Shift they all the bosses it happened on the titanic same as here! Eric holder came to Chicago today to as usual discredit hard working coppers, hey FLOP dean why are you so silent? Get the envelopes?
thrown under the bus for the professionally "outraged"
He can take it to the police board anything over five days.
Its best to keep quite and uses common sense. You never know who watching or beefing on you. For exsample: CMMD Nagoti. Is it true you told a protester " i sign your papers if you promise not to shot someone tonite." Or the PO
"Thanks for my ot ." At last week protest in one Wabash and the river. Body Mic.
12/12/2014 04:06:00 AM
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Wtf are u talking about you babbling fool. Make some sense.
Under the tutelage of baby Cline, more stupidity to come. Maybe his dad can call the protestors like he calls everyone else.
http://shariaunveiled.wordpress.com/2014/12/10/breaking-the-real-michael-brown-they-dont-want-you-to-see-shocking-video-release/
Anonymous said...
If it was handled through the CR process he would get served then have 72 hours to respond, but if they handled it through a SPAR, it could easily be done in a couple days. CRs stick around a very long time. A spar is taken out of the system one year after it hits the system.
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SPARs only cover up to 5 days - anything bigger is a CR.
incredible! the bosses have our backs! lol! sure boss let me chase that piss bum! just watched channel 7 news at 430, seems the race baiters holder and his crew are here. channel 7 showing anti-police incidents all over the country, ok channel 7 stooges call the gang bangers when you need help!
"Hands Off, Don't Work!"
He should have played the Electric Slide.
ssc im mad how about some disco music from the bee gees staying alive cd
Anonymous said...
I won't say the name or the watch or the beat car. But there is a bozo in 025 who does the same thing. He plays rap music over the car loud speaker in the thirty sector. Real amateurish, unprofessional and stupid. Especially in the age of smartphone video cameras.
12/12/2014 09:07:00 AM
Jeez, you make it sound like he is beating people or taking money. He must be clouted, otherwise you would say this to him in person. Unless you are just a big pussy?
WTF so can i use necessary force when arresting any a**hole playing "cop killer" or the bruce Springsteen song that's also derogatory towards law enforcement!!!
(Sarcasm)
OK everyone is asking about due process. The idiot admitted to doing what he was accused of. Heck he probably admitted to it before he was accused. If he is getting 10 days it is because he probably signed the SPAR form to take the 10 days. That's called waiving your rights. The FOP can't do much about that.
Many, many years ago, when I joined the CPD a wise old P.O. told me the wisest words I had heard, and repeated to many who would listen. Admit nothing, deny everything and demand proof.
Stupid question, if its soooo offensive why are there soooo many "sensitive" bodies still living in the south. Idk understand shouldn't they all have ptsd or something or is that why they are given link and every other government benefit my taxes pay for! Why cant i scream at them MY TAXES PAY YOUR LINK CARD, GOV PHONE, MEDICAL CARD, SECTION 8. But God forbid i offend them! Ass backwards
Anonymous said...
"...the department said it 'fully understands sensitivities related to the song and, regardless, we cannot condone any behavior that may be viewed as disruptive or disrespectful to any protester or resident.'"
Yo. "Regardless." Please go crawl off under something solid and expire.
Please.
12/12/2014 05:36:00 AM
Anything the Police do "may be viewed as disruptive or disrespectful to any protester or resident.'"
"That was quick". That's what she said.
The department slapped him with a knee-jerk suspension. The union will fight it, the city will put on a half-ass show trying to defend it and the discipline will get overturned and he will get his back pay in about 6 months to a year when nobody is paying attention and the frenzy is over.
All because the song was played during a "hot topic" march - only reason the officer was thrown under the bus so quickly.
P.S. Fuck Holder.
P.S.S. FREEBIRD!!!
--No Cop Here
Michael Mette said...
Hey Fart, It must be nice to admit you are a do nothing check casher and sit back in your house and call out anyone with less time on the job but you! See the only problem I see in this department is it has too many blow hards such as yourself. This officer made a mistake and is taking the lumps, and you wanna make his out to be a piece of shit. Keep hiding behind your bullshit. Lets be honest you probably never worked to begin with. Stay lazy my friend!
Reading comprehension is a skill Mike. And Fart is right. There's a lot more wrong with this dept than someone calling out the goofs running around without knowing what they are doing. ALOT more. Maybe if these pups were called on the carpet more often this type of shit wouldn't happen as often as it does. You of all people should be able to figure out the current atmosphere vs the police is the worse it's ever been. Learn to see the bigger pic already Mike and learn from the old salty guys like Fart and Box Chevy and the others.
Signed, one of your supervisors.
Ten days sucks..it's like dropping $3000,00 in the jukebox to hear sweat home Alabama!
Lesson learned.
10 days 10 days really boss! We have NO LEADERSHIP bunch of sheep scared if you do anything at all productive learn boys and girls do nothing and 10 days!! Insanity is now CPD! Once proud now I have no answers! Shift they all the bosses it happened on the titanic same as here! Eric holder came to Chicago today to as usual discredit hard working coppers, hey FLOP dean why are you so silent? Get the envelopes?
12/12/2014 03:09:00 PM
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playing sweethome alabama during an all black protest over the loudspeaker is productive? They screwed up. They used terrible judgement. Unfortunately, they will take 10 days but what they did was stupid. If there is an unwarranted benefit I will not be buying a ticket.
Anonymous said...
It sure sounds like a lot of people have not had other jobs outside of police land. Suspension and due process aside it was just dumb to do. I don't know nothing about it being racist and all that but
clearly dumb. There was no reason to play anything from the car. Duh you're at a march with people protesting you...anything you do outside of department procedures, you got quite a few anxious to drop a dime. He got ten days for being dumb and embarrassing the dept not for violating people's rights. Why anyone is comparing what you can
do on work time in a dept car to what a private citizen can do...I dunno. Nobody's stopping you from getting some speakers and blasting Sweet Home Alabama from your personal car in the hood...but it was on the city dime.
12/12/2014 11:08:00 AM
Agreed! Absolutely no reason for him to do this while on a detail.
IFIYGD SAID-
This is what happens when you have unsupervised kids playing police.
IAD must've rattled his cage pretty good to get him to spill his guts and accept a 10 day whack while foregoing the formal CR investigation process. Does this kid not know that he has contractual protections? I hope to God he called FLOP before signing off on anything. And if he DID call FLOP, is this what they told him to do? Does this kid know that Stuporintendent McGunmagnet can increase the recommended 10 day penalty when it hits his desk for review? Ask around, young man - the Supe has been doing just that, and with alarming regularity.
"You don't shortcut the system for political reasons - that's a horrible precedent to set. That's how contracts get abrogated."
You are 100% correct, SCC. The Bossholes and IAD rats pushed this kid onto the sword of political expediency at the direction of Tiny Dancer and the Stuporintendent, fearing repercussions from the likes of Pfather Pfaker, WifeBeater Hardiman and Jesse Jackass. They don't want those pesky protestors floating around downtown exercising their First Amendment rites any longer than they've already been.
As far as abrogating the contract? Two-thirds of the Lodge 7 membership that cast ballots at the conclusion of contract negotiations pretty much did just that.
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Well said. Enjoy reading your contributions. Your sarcasm is a natural fit for SCCs Sarcasm & Silliness.
- enjoying retirement in AZ
The officer should take a day for being stupid!
In this environment examples need to be made for political reasons. This officer made job easy for the bosses, he wandered out of the pack.
If there is a benefit I m in. The laugh was worth the $20. I d support him.
Wait a minute.....dont you gus get it? Its just prior to the election. Tiny dancer cant have this postponed in any fashion, he must show the curmunerty dat he be havin crontrl of hiz po po an dat his bitch hand (the one with the stub) be werkng yo. yo.yo. D.A. gotz to be in line so dat junior gets his promote baaaaaaby. Junior be lookin to getz some stripes instead of a dress shirt and tie. All back door shit. Nice Dean. N.G.F.Y.
12/12/2014 10:48:00 AM
Who is Gus? And who is Dean? Why are we always talking about Greeks on here?
All these people saying SPAR, you cannot make a complaint from the public subject to a SPAR...
And yeah... He wasn't playing Skrewdriver, but it was still just plain dumb at a protest (cameras everywhere, 10x as many at a protest).
Eazy-E & Dr. Dre - "Mother Fuck The Police" advocates murder and the violent overthrow of the United States and must be close to 25 years old. Where is/was the slightest outrage over that one?
Fuck the savages. Just watch them eat each other alive.
City has to look like it is taking this seriously. The PO will grieve it and he will take a day.
SCC in your first post entitled “Ch-Ch-Ch-Ch-Changes?” there is a mention of the 010th District commander costing the city untold $$$ without her serving a suspension. This is clearly an E.E.O.C. beef which is far more serious than the alleged goofiness committed by an unclouded blue shirt. It seems the lowest ranking member takes his violation by a 10 day financial pumpkin head for a lesser transgression. On the other hand, the gold badge gets off scot-free with no violation and no disciplinary action noted on bad paper for the permanent record.
A benefit would make $$ for this officer. We all have some retro coming!
12/12/2014 01:55:00 PM
I hope you are joking
The officers actions were meant to agitate and provoke. You can sugarcoat it all you want here.
Yes, young people play a variety of offensive music from their cars today.
Guess what? You're not THEM...you're the POLICE.
Anytime you wanna go out there and be THEM, just make sure you've turned in your star, hat shield & ID on your way out the door.
Message was sent from 3510. Hope it was received by all. Grow up, or get out.
12/12/2014 08:10:00 AM
Very very VERY underrated post.
As a cop, I'm sorry to say, but you don't have the same privileges per-say as a citizen during or even after your shift. You represent CPD, not yourself. If CPD doesn't agree, then you don't. You serve the public, if the public has a problem with what you are doing, then it can come back and bite you in the ass sometimes. That's just the way it is. It's like how racists on social media get fired from their job even if they weren't working the day they decided to be racist on social media.
the black protesters in the video even seemed nonchalant about the song. Now, I'll admit, I'm a eric garner supporter, but not a police hater. With that being said, SCC posted that it seems the song was "added in later" and not actually playing out of a squad car. I BELIEVE that. I'll grab my tin-foil hat now and say I also don't even believe a real cop was actually disciplined. Seems like they are just telling us one was. The nonchalant atmosphere in the video and the points SCC stated in this post lead me to believe that a song wasn't playing.
Sweet Home Alabama is just like the Confederate flag (that black rappers from the south even have in their music videos sometimes). It's one of those things that isn't supposed to be racist, but it just gives off that vibe because of how it has been used throughout the years.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
10 days seems a little excessive for playing a song.
12/12/2014 06:38:00 AM
It is excessive for playing a song. It's appropriate for being stupid.
Anonymous Maybe it was the right thing said...
Let start by saying this is bullshit and he shouldn't be disciplined at all, OR perhaps minimally for getting caught improperly utilizing Department equipment. With that said.... There may not have been an investigation, it possibly was done through the spat process. The spar can be satisfied with up to 10 days and doesn't require a lengthy investigation. Some will see it as a sgt or lt throwing him under the bus but others will see it as an attempt to avoid an IAD investigation with the potential to hit him with 20 or 30 days for political purposes. He may have come forward and said uh oh! And his boss said lets cut and run. Sit quiet and hope they don't identify? Drag everyone out there through an investigation? Wait for the political and media bullshit to heat up? YOU DECIDE what was right.
Seriously? This is exactly the same bullshit they pulled in Ferguson and NY, with their "Grand Jury". ANOTHER COVER-UP. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. Subverting the real process. Thank God Eric Holder is in Chicago and I alerted him to is blog. You racist bastards.
Signed, one of your supervisors.
12/12/2014 07:29:00 PM
Sorry boss for doing what I was hired to do, be the police. I easily could have sat back after coming home from Iowa. This is the career I chose. If at any point I become a sit on my hands kind of police officer I will just quit and find something else to do. As far as my reading comprehension goes, how is this for reading comprehension, you agree with fart I'm cool with that but just one question....are you part of the 2% or the 98%? Here you are anonymous...just saying which way I'm thinking your leaning.
Can't wait for the next police procession honoring a fallen comrade so I can follow it in my car blasting "Fuck Tha Police" and "Cop Killer" out the window. I really like those songs, so it's OK.
I'm not a police officer so I don't know how "due process" works but if I would have pulled some sh¡t like that at work I would be suspended if not fired. granted my line of work requires me to work with customers paying for our services, and so the dynamics are quite a bit different. I also don't put my life in danger by going to work.
I was just surprised at the backlash against the "harshness" of the suspension and the folks trying to justify the police officer's behavior. my company would not be interested in what my "intentions" were by playing that song or what lynard skynards intentions were. in the non-police world, that type of behavior is simply not tolerated.
Who is Gus? And who is Dean? Why are we always talking about Greeks on here?
12/12/2014 08:48:00 PM
Dean is Constantine Andrews.
Michael Mette said...
Hey Fart, It must be nice to admit you are a do nothing check casher and sit back in your house and call out anyone with less time on the job but you! See the only problem I see in this department is it has too many blow hards such as yourself. This officer made a mistake and is taking the lumps, and you wanna make his out to be a piece of shit. Keep hiding behind your bullshit. Lets be honest you probably never worked to begin with. Stay lazy my friend!
Reading comprehension is a skill Mike. And Fart is right. There's a lot more wrong with this dept than someone calling out the goofs running around without knowing what they are doing. ALOT more. Maybe if these pups were called on the carpet more often this type of shit wouldn't happen as often as it does. You of all people should be able to figure out the current atmosphere vs the police is the worse it's ever been. Learn to see the bigger pic already Mike and learn from the old salty guys like Fart and Box Chevy and the others.
Signed, one of your supervisors.
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Speaking of screw ups hey mike... How was your time in the joint?
God the brains or lack thereof of some coppers. Doesn't matter if the song is racist or not. The idiot played it over the loud speaker at an anti police protest. What do you think would happen??? He should have gotten 20 days for being a moron. Immature children who think they can get away with anything. No discipline or brains anymore. Guys who think the are entitled. No wonder people hate us.. Hell most of the time I hate us. Benefit??? Hahahahah. No thanks. Act stupid you can pay for that on your own. You should be embarrassed
The officer should sue the city for lost pay. He didn't break any laws.
12/12/2014 04:41:00 AM
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And we finally found it. The dumbest comment of 2014. Congrats pal
"Sorry boss for doing what I was hired to do, be the police. I easily could have sat back after coming home from Iowa. This is the career I chose. If at any point I become a sit on my hands kind of police officer I will just quit and find something else to do."
Yeah Mikey you tell'em. Just cause I guy does time in the can, doesn't mean he can't be a working Cop when he gets back.
The copper fucked up....we all fuck up from time to time. But unlike most of us (probably me too) he manned up and laid down on his sword. He called IAD and gave himself up and He took the penalty offered.
I'd ride with this guy anytime, anywhere!
I don't know if I believe the claim that officer was a Alabama fan. That being said, I don't think the department should have acknowledged it was offensive or potentially racist. I think there may be merit to discpline for improper use of CPD property, but to paint this situation that it was racist is bad PR for the CPD. Come out and announce the officer is being reprimanded for improper use of Govt property, but don't feed the race baiters. They should not have made assumptions about reasons, stick with facts and what was improper use of equipment.
Anonymous said...
If it was handled through the CR process he would get served then have 72 hours to respond, but if they handled it through a SPAR, it could easily be done in a couple days. CRs stick around a very long time. A spar is taken out of the system one year after it hits the system.
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SPARs only cover up to 5 days - anything bigger is a CR.
12/12/2014 04:48:00 PM
5 days for a SPAR, huh??
Keep studying
Anonymous said...
If it was handled through the CR process he would get served then have 72 hours to respond, but if they handled it through a SPAR, it could easily be done in a couple days. CRs stick around a very long time. A spar is taken out of the system one year after it hits the system.
12/12/2014 06:46:00 AM
You can't give 10 days on a SPAR.
I'm hoping that Al Sharpton will issue a press release indentifying the secret list of racist songs or music, so we can conform our music lstening choices. I for one don't what to become an accidental racist because I didn't know about the secret list of prohibited music.
Anonymous said...
How do you know he didn't receive a Spar? A spar, esp. if he accepts it, can be resolved in a quick manner.
12/12/2014 07:35:00 AM
You can't get 10 day on a SPAR
Douche bag, blasting the radio (probably through the police speaker) in a protest will probably get you in trouble regardless of the song that you are blasting.
Anonymous said...
The copper fucked up....we all fuck up from time to time. But unlike most of us (probably me too) he manned up and laid down on his sword. He called IAD and gave himself up and He took the penalty offered.
I'd ride with this guy anytime, anywhere!
12/13/2014 01:30:00 PM
The real deal.
My 8track player is not working in my pool car.
What I didn't understand is why the "citizen" in the video didn't mind, but it did bother the reporter. Talk about justice !
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Its best to keep quite and uses common sense. You never know who watching or beefing on you. For exsample: CMMD Nagoti. Is it true you told a protester " i sign your papers if you promise not to shot someone tonite." Or the PO
"Thanks for my ot ." At last week protest in one Wabash and the river. Body Mic.
Someone woke Cooter up again
This violated the officer's duty not to be a provocative asshole.
So what would be wrong with a song like the Ramones' "Beat on the Brat"?Nothing racist about it, and the lyrics don't imply anything about any individual being beaten, just an anonymous brat.
I'm obviously not a cop, just a civilian who appreciates what you do.
If some people would get it into their heads that it's much better to do what The Police ask them to do, when they are asked to do so, there would be much less of this kind of nonsense going on.
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