Wait...Sneed Misrepresented?
Finally, word from a regular e-mailer of ours. Someone close to the Department who actually has the spiritual well being of the police as his ministry:
- Gents--
It looks like the outrage should be directed to Michael Sneed at the Sun-Times, not Archbishop Cupich. You may remember she threw one of our officers under the bus a few months ago over autographed memorabilia to be auctioned off at a charity golf outing. She was kind enough at that time to issue a correction the next day, once she knew the whole story. I hope she'll do the same in this case, based on following clarification issued by the Archbishop's office:
From Archbishop Cupich:
We would like to provide clarification and context regarding media reports describing Archbishop Cupich's parish visit on Sunday, December 7.
First, the Mass was at St. Clement Parish in Chicago, not Holy Name Cathedral as reported.
Second, the Archbishop spoke to the issue that at times each of us is overwhelmed in life by circumstances. It is that experience that is at the origin of the prayer posture of raising our hands to God. This is a posture called orante. It is used in the Mass and indicates our total dependence on God.
The Archbishop noted that today people are raising their hands in frustration that the circumstances in their lives may be overwhelming due to their perception that the system of justice does not work for them. The Archbishop invited congregants to join him as he raised his hands in prayer during Mass at the end of the General Intercessions--to demonstrate our total dependence on God, to express our prayer for others in need, and to join in solidarity with those who experience frustration in life.
By doing so, rather than perpetuating inaccurate details of an incident in Ferguson, MO, we are transforming this gesture into an expression of how much we depend on God's grace in difficult times.
Well, we suppose Sneed has some 'splaining to do, but as all media types do, it'll be on a Saturday when no one reads it. A rather unfortunate convergence of symbols we'd say, possibly some tone-deafness on the part of the archbishop saddled with some unscrupulous verbiage from Sneed.
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posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
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We'll be watching….
The Archbishop noted that today people are raising their hands in frustration that the circumstances in their lives may be overwhelming due to their perception that the system of justice does not work for them.
Ya, like when the IL Atty Gen is fighting to destroy our pensions?
I was going to pontificate, and tell your readers about the time in 1974 when Cardinal Cody got robbed at gunpoint near Holy Name Cathedral.
The Cardinal told the crook, I am the Cardinal, crook said give me all your money.
And who did the Archbishop of Chicago call, THE POLICE.
Hands up if you need the police.
Too late. He made his intentions known the second he praised Fr. Pfaker at Sabina. His stance on ILLEGAL immigrants is unacceptable also. O/T, seems the Sweet Home Alabama tactical idiots in 011 resulted in all roll calls having to watch the video as a training video becuause it was ....wait for it.......racially unacceptable. Stupid shit like this happens when you put 2 year on the job heros in jeans and let them have a long leash with no supervision to speak of. These four asshats have a date with IAD next week cuz Lemmer is pushing the issue even tho Washington don't give a F. Lemmerhead trying for 10 day wacks for these guys, might serve em right, not for being "racist", just for being so fucking STUPID. Time and place, dummies, time and place.
Maybe we should pull out kids out of school on the same day next week to remind them who pays the bills around here...? Why am I paying $8000 for leftist crap when CPS does it for free?
This sounds like nothing more than frantic back-pedaling on the part of the Church. I'm not buying it. He was WELL aware of the significance of 'hands up, don't shoot' by that time.
The truth is out?
Does any reporter EVER get their facts right?
Darren Wilson, George Zimmerman, Duke Lacrosse? This week alone, Lena Dunham's and the UVA "rape" are shown to be fabricated stories.
Do not believe it until you see the complete, unedited video!
Considering the "HANDS UP - Don't Shoot" Ferguson thug Michael Brown firestorm, Archbishop Cupich could not pick a worse time for his orante brainstorm.
Michael Brown was a robber thug and cop killer wannabe who charged Officer Wilson like an enraged wounded beast with the intent to disarm him and shoot him with the officer's own gun.
If you research the matter nationwide, all too many officers have been murdered with their own weapon, the CPD's most recent being our brother Richard Francis, 19th District.
you stand on your feet hold your arms up 45 degree angle with open palms facing up in chanting and prayer together as a congregation in prayer service! Amen.
Now turn to AMAZON.com and purchase your Law Enforcement Bible and a Rosary and return to the Catholic Church, we are all sinners.
If the archbishop was at St Clement's and not Holy Name, it is even more logical that hands were raised in a protest symbol. I am not buying this explanation from the archdiocese and will continue to not support the archdiocese.
You think at the end of that statement he could of put "we support our police, bless our officers" but nope guess not! Let's see how much the illegals and flaky failures put in the basket! As for me no more, will give to a more police friendly law abiding church what a pathetic choice!
The fact that it happened it a ghetto church excuses it? It's more enabling.
No keeses for him.
The fact that he won't get rid of Fr. Pfaker is still enough to pull my financial support of TWO churches. God forgive me, I will give my charity elsewhere.
And ALL you people who send your kids to Catholic schools, and donate, will believe this nonsense like the GOOD DEMOCRATS you are.
FOOLS. HAH.
The Catholic Church is not your friend. They take our money and use it to help those who want to destroy our culture. If the church needs money then let them sell off the $Trillions of art, jewelry, and others items in the Vatican. The entire Catholic Church is a giant scam.
If you saw this clip on the news Cupich made some sympathetic comment,don't remember exact words.This is definitely back pedaling .
Sorry, but the social justice activist Archbishop knew exactly what he was doing. If you have seen any of his actions and pandering that he has done since arriving in Chicago, you'll be able to plainly see that he is on the side of the anti-police protesters. It's because of Catholic leaders such as him that many, including myself, are turning to other Christian churches.
Yet coppers give tens of thousands each a year so their kids can attend their sub par schools.
i ain't buyin' what this guy's sellin'. Bullshit. This asshole chose his side and surprisingly it wasn't the police. Fuck him.
I call bullshit.
Screw the catholic church.
Not sure I'm buying it, he knew what that gesture meant.
No sale, Archbishop.
That's not even a very convincing backpedal. Can't the front office flacks earn their pay with a quality evasion?
This Cupich is very far from his flock in terms of worldview. He so far has shown himself as from the far-left cloister that infects too much of the Catholic Church these days.
And he has indeed shown a desire to inject himself into politics in a way that, like the despicable Mike Pfleger, should cost the Archdiocese its not-for-profit status.
Just A Citizen Says:
Backpeddling. Don't believe a word he said. he got caught. Furthermore ANYONE who has anything nice to say about F Fagler is an asshole in my book. Birds of a feather and all that......
WTF--, speaking of hack reporters, FOP December newsletter reports the Tribune joined forces with City in pending court proceedings to release past and present complaint history of members going back to 1967.
If you research the matter nationwide, all too many officers have been murdered with their own weapon, the CPD's most recent being our brother Richard Francis, 19th District.
12/11/2014 04:38:00 AM
Thor Soberberg #14767 EOW 07JUL10
That bullshit statement from the "Arch" is written by a political scientist not a clergyman. The last line of the 4 th paragraph tell it all. " To express our prayers for others in need, and to join in solidarity with those who expierience frustrations in life.
He didn't ask to raise the hands to God he asked to raise the hands for the criminal rioters and protesters.
If you went to a catholic school you should understand what you are reading!
Well, I am not impressed by the new guy. He has been rumored to be anti-middle class and is your typical liberal who hates anything like the police.
Let his newfound lib buddies take over the buden of the church, this now lapsed Catholic is taking his money and support somewhere else.
The very least he could do is get the facts before he started bowing to the reverends and drug lords.
that sneed dude is an ass!
You are all fools if you send your kids to catholic schools. You are better off paying the out of district tuition to a suburban public school than to pay for any half ass education from a catholic school.
Sneed has always had one agenda.....no not to report facts.....just to sensationalize a topic.....to hell with the truth....its sounds better when you twist it into whit.
This is an act of Treason by Sneed. The Roman Catholic Church represents a core component of the American way of life. For Sneed to write such a flawed misrepresentation should result in a finding of death if convicted by a jury of peers. That's the long and legally narrow way to otherwise say "hang that bitch" the same way the Catholic Church was just hung.
Dear Archbishop-
Excuses are like belly buttons - everyone's got one, but they aren't good for anything.
Your stance on immigration is inexcusable.
You continue to allow a priest to remain pastor of St. Sabina's. A man who solicits people to break the law and who openly opposes the very rule of law that allows him to make his ridiculous claims.
Why has this man been pastor of the same parish for so long when it clearly violates Church policy?
As for the "hands up" excuse, a four letter word best describes it - lame.
Can't you come up with something better?
An Archbishop is called the "shepherd" of his flock. But that's only a metaphor. Your mistake is in thinking we are sheep.
Signed, a former member of the Lumen Cordium Society.
Agree with the other comment. Sure does sound like a political spin to me. Even if it was not at Holy Name, I think he got caught up in the "moment" and did exactly what the article said he did. He certainly doesn't seem to give two craps about the police.
When did the Catholic Church begin to mimic the Evangelicals? I don't buy his claim, furthermore, the facts of Ferguson are out there. No hands were in the air. Period. He foments racism by continuing the false narrative. So no. My money goes to the "White Racist" who could use a helping hand. Charity begins with your own.
To the poster at 12:56....You NAILED IT!!! He knew damn well what the symbolism was and there is no doubt in my mind that he goes right along with FLAKEY. All this is is damage control because so many on our side have contacted the Archdioceses threatening to hold back on their Sunday contributions. ONLY thing to wake up the church is NOT to fund it.
Wow ! I like this post SCC, no sarcasm here,it's enlightening!Some lessons in life are tough learned,but never the less learned!
The Mexican says;
I stand by my comments about the catholic church.
I'm not Catholic. I've been raising my hands in church every time I'm there for years. There isn't a name for it either...it's called lift up your hands. Three different churches in different cities and different decades..same thing.
It was on the 10:00 PM news,ch7, Sunday night and reported as hands up for solidarity with the protesters. There has to be tape of it somewhere
I am christian now, but I was raised "Catholic" and never heard of "Orante" even in catholic Grammar school & high school .. ????????
Stupid shit like this happens when you put 2 year on the job heros in jeans and let them have a long leash...
I'm a twenty-five year wonder and I'll take a copper with two years as a partner, if I could have one, over a do-nothing beefer like you. Regrettably the best ones are already picked, Doyle, Doffyn, O'Conner, Ceriale,...
I call shenanigans on the Cardinal.
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/michael-brown-shooting/undercover-cop-draws-gun-protesters-oakland-n266176
A, couple of plain clothes officers (including one wearing a bandana over his face) were amongst the marchers in Oakland, and had to make an arrest during the march with weapons drawn.
I agree with 12/11/2014 12:56:00 AM
Sounds like spin, spin, spin to me
Anonymous said...
that sneed dude is an ass!
12/11/2014 09:38:00 AM
I agree but it is a woman. Probably she is wearing khakis too, like Jake from State Farm.
Orante my ass. Brown supporters/liars claimed he had his hands up to "not shoot", and I'm supposed to believe this cock-n-bull story from an Archbishop that the hands up is some kind of religious thing?
I might have fallen off the turnip truck today, but I wasn't born yesterday...
//www.nbcnews.com/storyline/michael-brown-shooting/undercover-cop-draws-gun-protesters-oakland-n266176
A, couple of plain clothes officers (including one wearing a bandana over his face) were amongst the marchers in Oakland, and had to make an arrest during the march with weapons drawn.
12/11/2014 03:10:00 PM
This smells like troll, the only issue here is your presence. How about you go write another dog column, protest for another criminal or just go away period!
He is a fucking liar
I'm sick of this fucker, He just gets here and is already talking shit about immigration and now Hands Up.
I'm taking my three children out of the catholic school next year, I hope a lot more do too. I'll be registering them at the Lutheran school a mile away.
I'm sick of this asshole
Now they are raising their hands on the congressional step. It never ends. Unbelievable !!
This contradicts the archdiocese:
http://abc7chicago.com/religion/unity-marches-protests-in-chicago-sunday-/425580/
ABC 7 Eyewitness News ----
ARCHBISHOP CUPICH PRESIDES OVER SOLIDARITY PRAYER
At St. Clement parish Sunday, Chicago's new Roman Catholic archbishop led his congregation in a gesture of solidarity with the protesters.
Archbishop Blase Cupich invited all to join him as he raised his hands in both prayer and a show of support.
"In solidarity to those who have hands raised these days in sense of frustration that the system does not seem to work for them, also sense of solidarity we're willing not just to pray with them but to reach out and do our part in solidarity to embrace them to carry the lambs who are at risk," Cupich said.
Heh...
Policemen have no friends.
They take on a shit doo-doo job that everybody else
runs away from signing up for but yet have more than plentiful opinions on how The Policeman SHOULD do it and not hurt anyone's feelings while doing it.
"Why are you guys so angry and hateful? If you were nicer, smiled at us more and did your jobs without hurting and killing people just because they resisted arrest, we might support you... A little..."
Cast adrift by the so called shepherds who would rather pander than attend to the crying spiritual needs of "The Peacemakers" so beautifully described in the Beatitudes.
Heh...
The so called "Silent Majority" by virtue of their silence and in spite of being "the majority," have had their backs turned for many years.
Now they suffer pangs of conscience?
Or are they troubled that those who make up
theThin Blue Line have discerned the winds of change that carry the concerted efforts to not only destroy Policing as an integral thread holding society together, (and those who say such is not so, are part of that effort) but to also destroy the lives of those who serve as Policemen?
Joyful Hater says:
"Get over yourself Cop! We're so sick and tired of
you guys getting above yourselves."
The War Against The Police is as cynical and purposeful as it is intentional.
We dare say that you truly can judge the character
of a society by the way it treats those tasked with
keeping order and peace.
We also say that Policemen, though human and imperfect like the rest of everybody else, do their
best in spite of being reviled, demonized and stripped
of their very humanity for again, taking on a hard, nasty, dreadful, shit doo-doo job where you see so much that does so very little to make your sacrifice in time, grief, aggravation, sweat, tears and sometimes even blood seem not worth the effort.
If The Police are the "enemy" as Phleger and so many others in not just religious circles, but also in government, media, business, education and charitable institutions say and truly believe...
What is going to happen when the "Fix The Police"
wet-dream is finally realized?
The willfully blind and ignorant talking heads can talk their asses off...
The Police ARE NOT the problem.
The Middle Class, good hard working decent people - abandoned and vilified by the Democrats, the Unions and now, the Catholic Church.
Sneed is a lazy, lying no talent writer. I cant believe the we keep falling for her bullshit. Cancel your tribune and sun times subscriptions.
Archbishop Cupich:
Welcome to Chicago! However, you must admit that you're off to rather inauspicious start with your upraised arms in an "orante" posture malarkey.
Aside from that, I totally agree with the 4:38 AM poster self-identified as The (Not So) "GENTLE GIANT". I remain a Catholic from my baptism through 16 years of Catholic education. As a proud member of the CPD, now retired, I spent most of my career as a detective, my duties to include interrogating pathological liars ultimately charged with murder and other felonies.
Lest you've been hiding beneath a rock since late summer, you are well aware of the the chant "HANDS UP/Don't Shoot" and its specious implications concerning that thug who outweighed all NFL defensive ends. Digest the Grand Jury transcript as I did.
Ah, but "gentle" Michael Brown was UNARMED when Off. Darren Wilson dispatched him to Hell in defense of his life.
You're new to Chicago. Certainly, you've never heard the names Thor SODERBERG, Richard FRANCES, James CAMP, Gregory HAUSER, Raymond KILROY, Lee SEWARD, William FAHEY and Richard O'BRIEN. What do these honored CPD officers have in common. All were MURDERED in the line-of-duty with their own weapons by initially UNARMED cop killers.
Darren Wilson is a survivor.
I strongly recommend that you distance yourself from pandering to Michael Pfleger and other media-seeking, disingenuous rabble rousers.
To do otherwise will result in your complete loss of credibility as well as a precipitous decline in donations to the Church. With all due respect, DON'T INSULT OUR INTELLIGENCE WITH BULLSHIT!
Best wishes and Merry Christmas.
Fuck this dude. When is retro coming.
Ditto
Anonymous said...
Stupid shit like this happens when you put 2 year on the job heros in jeans and let them have a long leash...
I'm a twenty-five year wonder and I'll take a copper with two years as a partner, if I could have one, over a do-nothing beefer like you. Regrettably the best ones are already picked, Doyle, Doffyn, O'Conner, Ceriale,...
Than you're an idiot who hasn't learned shit in 25 years. I'm far from a "do nothing", but I am real smart about how I do what I do. Here's a free tip from me to you, "twenty-five year wonder": YOU CAN'T TEACH MATURITY. You can babysit these morons that can't figure out how to behave when the whole country is a powder keg waiting to blow up on the police - not me. I want a partner with a fucking brain, not a 24 year old that thinks its funny to possibly incite a riot. Jackass.
RIP to every copper you named and every other one that went before their time.
Totally agree with 12:30 AM - playing the song was a really stupid lapse in judgment. And about 70% of being a good cop is exercising good judgment.
This is the same Sneed that wrote a serious of columns (three, I believe) in which she trounced all over the private life of a former 1st Deputy Superintendent, likely fed certain details of that 1st Deputy's personal life by someone deep within the bowels of 3510.
Sneed can rot in hell.
You've gotta wonder why McCarthy includes her in so many details of his impending marriage to his young fiancee.
Keep buying ammo. I am.
I don't think there are two ways to interpret this: Solidarity with the offenders which means opposition to the police. Keesing Bandit, St. Clements is up on Deming and Orchard, far from the ghetto.
Sneed needs to print a major apology.
Sneed is Jewish so she probably doesn't get the nuances of the Catholic liturgy. But we are stuck with a liberal fuck as archbishop so I won't be depending on the Catholic Church in Chicago for my spiritual needs. Not if the Chicago Archdiocese through it's leaders are going to take political positions. The Church has no business supporting or condemning any protestors anywhere.
They are a conduit to the Creator, not my source for political opinions. They better realize that.
Many nuns made me sick in the 1960's when they protested wars and nuclear arms. I recall some nuns from Chicago that were arrested multiple times for trespassing on nuclear missile sites and finally went to prison for pouring red paint or cow's blood all over missile silo property.
Non-violence, they are welcome to it but political activism is not something I care to support in my Church.
"Regrettably the best ones are already picked, Doyle, Doffyn, O'Conner, Ceriale,..."
Nice!
Sgt Northen,
Very well said. Thank you for continuing to have the backs of those of us still out there.
//www.nbcnews.com/storyline/michael-brown-shooting/undercover-cop-draws-gun-protesters-oakland-n266176
A, couple of plain clothes officers (including one wearing a bandana over his face) were amongst the marchers in Oakland, and had to make an arrest during the march with weapons drawn.
12/11/2014 03:10:00 PM
This smells like troll, the only issue here is your presence. How about you go write another dog column, protest for another criminal or just go away period!
12/11/2014 05:36:00 PM
Could be very true. During NATO protest I would guess there were several dozen undercover cops in the crowds gathering intelligence and reporting activities of the protesters.
Could be very true. During NATO protest I would guess there were several dozen undercover cops in the crowds gathering intelligence and reporting activities of the protesters.
Thanks for endangering your fellow brothers & sisters asshole!
The Catholic church is the richest and most profitable organization in the world. Its gold holdings in the USA alone are estimated in the billions. Google catholic church and federal reserve gold. See what pops up. Think about that next they send you their stack of donation envelopes each month, and the annual appeal that seems to come multiple times a year. How they can keep crying about lack of money when it is recognized that they are the richest corporation in the world is beyond me. They can't seem to keep schools open due to lack of funds, but when their priests rape children they seem to find money to pay damages. The catholic church like all religions are the ultimate scam, selling you the best product there is, an intangible object. Religion was created by grifters in ancient times to sell nothing and make money. The catholic church is just the best at converting people's beliefs into cash. Truly the opiate of the masses. So keep giving your money to them. When the priest were raping children all the Vatican did was send the priests on "retreats" to get them away from the kids temporarily. Then they returned the priests to parishes to continue raping children. This happened with the full knowledge of the Pope all the way down to the parish priest. Far more people in the catholic hierarchy should have been sent to prison for the mass rapes of children. But the sheep keep on giving. Baaaaaa.
Here is the responce and an email I sent the Archbishop and his lackeys responce. Draw your own conculsions.
We would like to provide clarification and context regarding media reports describing Archbishop Cupich's parish visit on Sunday, December 7.
First, the Mass was at St. Clement Parish in Chicago not Holy Name Cathedral.
Second, the Archbishop spoke to the issue that at times each of us is overwhelmed in life by circumstances. It is that experience that is at the origin of the prayer posture of raising our hands to God. This is a posture called orante. It is a posture used in the Mass and indicates our total dependence on God.
The Archbishop noted that today people are raising their hands in frustration that the circumstances in their lives may be overwhelming due to their perception that the system of justice does not work for them. The Archbishop invited congregants to join him as he raised his hands in prayer during Mass at the end of the General Intercessions to demonstrate our total dependence on God, to express their own prayer for others in need and to join in solidarity with those who experience frustration in life transforming this gesture into an expression of how much we depend and need God's grace in such moment.
Office of the Archbishop
Dear Archbishop ,
I want to personally thank you for letting all us law abiding Catholics know where you stand on your thoughts, politics, and allegiances lie .
I can tell you with reasonable certainty that myself, and many, many, many Catholic followers will strike that same pose of yours when the collection baskets come by during mass, and I mean now and forever.
This of course, if we ever return to mass, to support you and your child raping gang of thugs that were priests.
Thank you,
A life long catholic with 12 years of Catholic school education.
To John Northen said:
Eloquent and on the money. Your comments should be drawn up in a massive mailing to the Archbishop. Supporting evil and disguising that support as Christianity is becoming the downfall of this country. Bad leaders with bad agendas. The sheeple do not have a clue. It's coming really fast.
Stay safe and pray to St. Michael!
Retired
Sneed needs to go. She doesn't report the truth... that wouldn't sell papers. The Sun-Times is fizzling out, so she'll probably just ride it out, unfortunately.
Anonymous said...
Sneed needs to go. She doesn't report the truth... that wouldn't sell papers. The Sun-Times is fizzling out, so she'll probably just ride it out, unfortunately.
12/12/2014 03:49:00 PM
If you got rid of everyone that doesn't report the truth, the Trib and the Times would not have any so-called "reporters" on their staffs.
Dear Arch Bishop Cupich,
Could you imagine the effect of the police families pulling out of the Catholic Schools in the Chicago Archdioceses? I was told that being a police officer was a calling to do Gods work. Defending and protecting those who could not protect themselves from the devil here on earth. If we are both doing God's work why have you shown support those who support the devil? In words of John Mellancamp "you have to stand for something or you'll fall for anything"
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Could be very true. During NATO protest I would guess there were several dozen undercover cops in the crowds gathering intelligence and reporting activities of the protesters.
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Thanks for endangering your fellow brothers & sisters asshole!
12/12/2014 07:00:00 AM
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Relax. It was reported in the msm and the City administration confirmed it even before NATO.
St. Michael The Archangel, Patron Saint of Police Officers
Prayer to St Michael The Archangel -St Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle. Be our defense against the wickedness and snares of the Devil. May God rebuke him we humbly pray, and do thou, O Prince of the heavenly hosts, by the power of God, thrust into hell Satan, and all evil spirits, who prowl about the world seeking the ruin of souls. Amen.
Here is a link to Archbishop Cupich's homily from the mass...fast forward to the 27:00 mark to here his comments regarding solidarity with the protesters and make your own judgement. I think it is pretty clear where he stands!
https://soundcloud.com/saintclementparish/archbishop-cupich-mass-12-7-14
Anonymous said...
This is an act of Treason by Sneed. The Roman Catholic Church represents a core component of the American way of life. For Sneed to write such a flawed misrepresentation should result in a finding of death if convicted by a jury of peers. That's the long and legally narrow way to otherwise say "hang that bitch" the same way the Catholic Church was just hung.
12/11/2014 10:10:00 AM
Galileo Galilei was imprisoned for much less.
If people are interested in hearing the actual homily the Archbishop delivered, it was recorded (link), since that particular Parish records all of its major sermons.
Sorry, I should add that the homily starts at 18 minutes.
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