No More "Intimidating" Equipment
- In a surprise announcement coming nine months after police in riot gear dispelled racially charged protests, President Barack Obama is banning the federal government from providing some military-style equipment to local departments and putting stricter controls on other weapons and gear distributed to law enforcement.
The announcement comes after the White House suggested last year that Obama would maintain programs that provide the type of military-style equipment used to respond to demonstrators last summer in Ferguson, Missouri, because of their broader contribution to public safety. But an interagency group found "substantial risk of misusing or overusing" items like tracked armored vehicles, high-powered firearms and camouflage could undermine trust in police.
On one hand, there are entire production lines of "civilian" equivalents for most of the equipment used in a riot situation. On the other, the material available is outdated or redundant for the military and ends up sitting in warehouses collecting dust. Taxpayers ought to be happy it can be "re-purposed" instead of shipped of to some fith-rate third-world military at a later date.
Maybe a happier paint scheme would quiet the critics who view police as "too threatening." Something in pink and yellow we suppose. It would also make the "tactical gear queers" stop thinking that they're like Delta Force and remembering that they're police officers first.
But the fact remains that policing has changed as the threats internally have evolved. ISIS threats are a regular thing now. The Boston bombings were most likely a harbinger of things to come. Lone wolf attacks involving foreign-trained individuals in military-style camps are possible, to say nothing of the intentionally created racial-strife in democrat-controlled urban environments. A "disproportionate response" to these types of threats isn't intimidating - it's obligated to demonstrate an ability to restore order to the rule of law when disorder is the aim of the lawless.
Maybe a happier paint scheme would quiet the critics who view police as "too threatening." Something in pink and yellow we suppose. It would also make the "tactical gear queers" stop thinking that they're like Delta Force and remembering that they're police officers first.
But the fact remains that policing has changed as the threats internally have evolved. ISIS threats are a regular thing now. The Boston bombings were most likely a harbinger of things to come. Lone wolf attacks involving foreign-trained individuals in military-style camps are possible, to say nothing of the intentionally created racial-strife in democrat-controlled urban environments. A "disproportionate response" to these types of threats isn't intimidating - it's obligated to demonstrate an ability to restore order to the rule of law when disorder is the aim of the lawless.
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posted by SCC at 12:11 AM
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How about an appropriately equipped, rugged enough for urban duty, built for officer safety and survival, police car?
You know...
Rugged like the old Chevys
with that torque monster 350...
7.62 mm resistant panels in the doors,
ballistic film on the windows, mounts
for both carbines and shotguns, are a start.
Expensive?
No... A worthwhile expenditure if the m/fers on
five would curtail their appetite for thievery and
fiscal fuckery.
SCC, you missed the cavet in there about receiving "training" from .gov when the department receives these items.
Great, more "Feel good" traning from Uncle Sugar for Military Surplus items.
In my opinion police departments running around in mrap vehicles and swat tesms trying to look like the navy seals is getting pretty rediculous. Never in my 37 years on this job did we ever have any of this stuff or need it. I'm not saying it's completely unnecessary, but it's getting pretty nuts now. Police are police... Not military.
They'll be all for it (a ban) until some major looting takes place on Michigan Av or State St or some other high profile locations, and then they'll all be demanding something more be done and why didn't the police bring out the riot equipment.
It's not just the equipment, it is the attitudes that think fire superiority is good police tactic.
Can someone tell me why are out lots still open to the public? What reason does a civilian need be in our lots? Heard the loosened up the lug nuts in one of the squads in 10. Has this issue ever been brought up to FLOP? Can we sign a petition and submit it to the city?
Next election, vote republican
That was the whole point. That's why Obama had these people protest and wreak havoc. For him, it justifies changing police policy. He got what he wanted out of it.
You NEED military hardware in Chicago. This is no easy Theater of War.
Just for Englewood alone, you could use some military equipment.
Tanks maybe too intimidating, but a squadron of A-10s parked at Midway would be enough firepower to quell anything in Englewood.
We could drive those Commie Bastards back to Gary, IN and let them live with 'em.
You need to stop pussying around when it comes to response.
That New Yorker you have in charge of CPD is more politician, than general.
Politicians don't know what it is to give the enemy a good fight. They're too busy giving speeches and kissing babies. McCarthy is no different.
Sometimes a good thunderstorm is all you need to stop crime. The weather does play a part in deterring crime.
30MM rain washes the streets pretty clean.
ISIS is not a threat nor are the other Islamic terrorist groups. Our president, DHS, FBI and pentagon have assured us of that. According to DHS a greater threat are homegrown terrorists such as outlaw bikers, gun nuts, veterans, religious nuts, KKK and various racist groups. The feds have these groups under surveillance and can take care of them. The problem is that local police are using weaponry against minorities, not the real trouble makers.
The rule of law is what the president, governor or mayor say it is. Obama and Eric Holder have changed the rule of law to fit modern times. The police have not always changed with the political winds.
I think what Obama was trying to say is, "if you police were more friendly, people would like you, and that will solve everything".
We should be protecting and serving, not picking on young black men. Ok I will serve you up your report in just a minute.
Obama governs by dictate once again...
Why arent police officers voting republican 90 percent of the time?
The democrats want to strip of us protection and would prefer us out there unarmed hugging the criminals.
They (democrats) push to have to have criminals (including cop killers) pardoned / released early/ rewarded with settlements.
They jeopardize our pensions with reckless spending. Did you see the federal govt is bringing in record tax collections? Live within your means!
They feel intimidated? They're supposed to feel intimidated. They're rioters!
Guess we should be disarmed! They hate guns, protest the police, right is wrong:wrongdoing is right! Pathetic scary for people that respect police and need police with the government media complex in full attack mode, and the skulls full of mush believes everything they say,the future for law abiding citizens is troubling!
B.H.O. = Anti Police & Anti America.
Don't worry about the stuff Chicago has. It's usually broke or not in proper working order. Beat and worn out cars. Stations falling apart. Why third world nations have better stuff to deal with.
So, the feds are going to restrict the type of equipment given to "civilian" law enforcement, meanwhile you have DHS purchasing millions of rounds of ammunition, riot gear etc. and the military is doing "training" in some cities........
Adolph Obama anyone.......?????
"A "disproportionate response" to these types of threats isn't intimidating - it's obligated to demonstrate an ability to restore order to the rule of law when disorder is the aim of the lawless"
Sorry, SCC - I love you guys 99% of the time, but I gotta call bullshit on this one. The example you use about the Boston Bombers proves the counterpoint: The jackboots in Boston, that put the whole city on lockdown, pointed loaded "assault" rifles at private citizens, and conducted warrant-less searches of homes (pulling entire families out at gunpoint) while grasping at straws to catch TWO ... *TWO* ... jihad douchebags - that shows the average "warrior" cop should have no business with big boy toys.
We'd all be better off if LEO's across the country took the beat cop or the Texas Ranger models, not the high-speed low drag "operator" model.
Read some Bill Lind on 4GW ... heavy handed tactics help fuel the crisis of the state's legitimacy, and lead to bad things. Better to keep the moral high ground and lose a few brothers in blue than to "tac out" and set off a war against cops ...
[disclaimer: you should roll w/ 500 pounders and arty on ghetto neighborhoods like Fergadishu, Baltimore ...]
Get rid of equipment border patrol under attack:
http://m.krgv.com/news/Special-Report-Agents-Under-Attack/33094624
Another result of Obama and his ideas to destroy America! This is treasonous behavior, we have to protect our country, our citizens what is law for if you're ordered to not enforce it? Look at Baltimore how can a so called mayor let business get destroyed and order police to do nothing, yet she's not indicted? The president lets and allowed illegals across borders open arms, how many are terrorists or potential terrorists, how many are bringing disease here some that we eradicated years ago?
Perhaps the President has stumbled on another way of taking control of the populace, as his attempts at disarming the citizenry have failed; instead of those nasty racist police officers working their own neighborhoods, we'll just give law enforcement over to the National Guard! What could go wrong!?!
Anonymous said...
Can someone tell me why are out lots still open to the public? What reason does a civilian need be in our lots? Heard the loosened up the lug nuts in one of the squads in 10. Has this issue ever been brought up to FLOP? Can we sign a petition and submit it to the city?
5/19/2015 01:48:00 AM
Totally agree, same with 025! Lug nuts being fucked with on po's personal cars....unreal. Plus they leave the back door propped open with a garbage can all the time, why?
"A "disproportionate response" to these types of threats isn't intimidating - it's obligated to demonstrate an ability to restore order to the rule of law when disorder is the aim of the lawless"
Sorry, SCC - I love you guys 99% of the time, but I gotta call bullshit on this one. The example you use about the Boston Bombers proves the counterpoint: The jackboots in Boston, that put the whole city on lockdown, pointed loaded "assault" rifles at private citizens, and conducted warrant-less searches of homes (pulling entire families out at gunpoint) while grasping at straws to catch TWO ... *TWO* ... jihad douchebags - that shows the average "warrior" cop should have no business with big boy toys.
Go back and read the posting during the Boston overreach - we decried that method of policing roundly. It was shocking how much the citizens allowed in terms of Civil Rights violations, but it was Boston, Massachusetts - liberal la-la land - so we weren't actually surprised.
We're speaking in general terms of regaining control of the streets in the event of widespread disorder so that regular city services and the general populace can advance with their daily routines. Perhaps it could have been clearer.
Damn! I just purchased some new camo apparel for hunting. Now I'm going to have to send it to the White House.
Q: When rioting breaks out in Chiraq, will the gov't issue all coppers orange vests to wear?
Can I just have a working PDT? Maybe a police radio that works in the subway? A vehicle with less than 150,000 miles? etc. etc.
The only reason that the socialist ObaMAO administration did this is because they know that the police would be an obstacle for them when they try to destroy the Constitution and turn this country into a socialist dictatorship.
Cops don't like them and see firsthand how corrupt and dangerous they are. They took an oath to protect and defend the Constitution from all enemies foreign and DOMESTIC. They would keep that oath for the most part. The lapdogs will fall in line, but the rank and file will defend America.
"They'll be all for it (a ban) until some major looting takes place on Michigan Av or State St or some other high profile locations, and then they'll all be demanding something more be done and why didn't the police bring out the riot equipment"
That's already happened, it's called insurance you f'ng moronic stoop
"Anonymous said...
B.H.O. = Anti Police & Anti America"
Yeah he sure is.
During a speech at the National Peace Officers Memorial Service held at the U.S. Capitol at the close of Police Week, President Obama honored the lives of 131 peace officers who have died in the line of duty.
"We're speaking in general terms of regaining control of the streets in the event of widespread disorder so that regular city services and the general populace can advance with their daily routines. Perhaps it could have been clearer."
My bad - them I'm 100% in line with your thinking. Thanks for clarifying. God Bless.
If this cam to anyone as a surprise then you must be living under a rock...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Can someone tell me why are out lots still open to the public? What reason does a civilian need be in our lots? Heard the loosened up the lug nuts in one of the squads in 10. Has this issue ever been brought up to FLOP? Can we sign a petition and submit it to the city?
5/19/2015 01:48:00 AM
Just got back from Tennessee, went through cool springs, and Franklin area,drove passed police facilities talked to some coppers their lots are surrounded by wrought iron, and iron rolling gates you need key card to enter copper personal vehicles are inside gated secured area which has cameras monitored 24/7 state of the art systems not the junk we have!
Look at our vehicles, where are the promised new vehicles dean and the faker crew agreed to! Cars with paint peeling off, wires hanging everywhere, total death traps!
Now Obama doesn't want police to look militarized? Thought we were semi military organization! Guess we should have semi military equipment does the military have equipment that is totally non-functional? So much junk, the best is fleet take a vehicle there mechanics lol nope maybe part changers if that! Bring vehicle in for service how many times you get it back with something else wrong? Clout not experience!
The MRAPs should be warehoused for the next time the .mil has to deal with mines and IEDs. They've only been in use since the US civil war, and we still went into OIF/OEF with our dicks in our hands and soft skin vehicles. That was criminal and the taxpayer got fleeced with this "emergency" purchase. Why was it an emergency? Who got fired for that fuckup? MRAPs are not right for policing, get a Bearcat if you need a hard vehicle.
Full auto isn't for policing either, ever. There's too many misses as it is.
Police don't need all this gear. The problem isn't gear. Such as it is, they're right; looking like a pudgier, older version of some hard eyed killer oppressing the natives isn't what policing is. If you're looking to "pacify" the hood, things aren't going to work out well, for anyone.
This is all distraction and obfuscation. The police are handling their job fine, all things considered. The God damned courts, judges and attorneys are the point of failure here!!! You can't bail out the boat when the other people are pouring the water right back in! These neighborhoods would clean up fine if the habitual criminals were kept in prison(or executed, even better)
Is there funny business going on with CPD hiring? Emails that were not sent but the city claims they were?
Obama and Democratic politicians do not want the police to have military training or military equipment because police lives do not matter black lives matter.
"A "disproportionate response" to these types of threats isn't intimidating - it's obligated to demonstrate an ability to restore order to the rule of law when disorder is the aim of the lawless."
Technology has improved/gotten worse (depending on whether or not the tech is in your hands or pointed at you.)
Nothing wrong with having good protective gear, nothing wrong with having sturdy vehicles to roll it out in. Sure, coppers are not the Army, but coppers are the first ones on the line when something blows. NYPD Emergency Services is a good model, I think. Have the tools to deal with many everyday situations quick, before they get worse.
Saw a photo of a sheriff's deputy down in Waco called out on that biker thing, had SWAT greens on and what I think was a 5.56 bullpup weapon -- to us older steel-and-walnut M1 Garand guys, it didn't even look like a gun. I was squinting at it, WTF...polymer and stampings and weldments BUT IT WORKS. Small enough to deploy while seated in car, coming up stairwell, etc.
Can't argue with success, I guess.
Of course, a friend in New York State tells me about how her city didn't burn in 1968 because squads were rolling along with plain old 12 ga. pump guns sticking out the windows, making "significant eye contact" with all and sundry...
Success again.
Problem isn't police gear. Problem is a population about twice the size that it was when I was born, with unrealistic expectations shoved in front of it in a deteriorating economy as it's goaded with sharp sticks by various agitators. Everyone going to star in rap videos. Everyone else going to "get all the cash you'll ever need -- FREE! -- by flipping houses." At least that snake-oil wagon seems to have left town to fleece the rubes somewhere else. Had to turn off the news radio, couldn't take those mouth-full-of-s__t ads anymore. "I is flip six hundred houses RIGHT UNDER YOU NOSE!" Pre-2008-bubble-implosion real-estate redux, with the "disadvantaged" in brand-new clothes with price tags still on, shooting each other on "party buses" right on Chicago's fabled lakefront.
Shhh. Don't scare the tourists. Understand that tiny Natasha McShane is almost able to make herself a cup of tea again, five or six years after her visit here.
...and Susana Mendoza hands $1000 of her own money to the likes of Herbie Pulgar.
Priorities.
5/19 09:30
Silly, we were issued neon green safety vests not orange
You know I remember when a car had 80,000 miles on it and it was junked. I remember when we had enough cars for everyone and a good amount of pool cars. I remember when a good number of exempts used to be real policemen. I remember when if you were tact or gang crimes no one bothered you or wanted to know every single thing u did. I remember rotating watches and comraderie. Now I've got over 25 yrs and I just don't care. I don't care about riot gear, weaponry, new cars ( yea right ) or the militarization of the police. I just want to survive and leave. You win CPD, I'm done....
Please. In the 70's and 80's shotguns were taken away from us because of the "intimdating effect" on civilians yet more police officers were killed during that period.
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In my opinion police departments running around in mrap vehicles and swat tesms trying to look like the navy seals is getting pretty rediculous. Never in my 37 years on this job did we ever have any of this stuff or need it. I'm not saying it's completely unnecessary, but it's getting pretty nuts now. Police are police... Not military.
Okay say this is true...
Why does the media have to put this out for everyone-especially the potential enemy, to read.
"Loose Lips Sink Ships" was the saying...and still should be!
asshole Chuck Gaudie seems to think that night vision is a lethal military weapon.
Big deal. Its about what the Fed will give to the State or Local LE Agency.
Nothing about what the Cop can spend at a gun show or at the manufacturer directly.
I Like my AR500 plate armor.
Guy on a Bike.
(OT) Just watched fox Chicago news they led with the copper sleeping in the squad middle of the day by 63rd and Campbell! Thankfully the guy who taped him had no malice to attack a copper! this si news was on for awhile but the elected do much more they do criminal behavior but since the media is owned by the government media complex no problem!
http://www.myfoxchicago.com/clip/11514060/video-shows-chicago-cop-sleeping-in-his-vehicle
Not arguing about Michael Brown's of the world. He got what he got because he was a criminal thug. Demostrators were also idiots and criminals. But come on, a bunch of coppers wearing camo and playing soldier. That was ridiculous.
Was in northwest Indiana a few years back outside a condo building talking to a friend. Next thing you know coppers are running to the building, jumping fences, like a movie about navy seals. All for a noise complaint. Too many of these non-big city coppers are spec ops operator wannabes.
TO ALL: The MRAP was given to the Police Department. It cost Nothing, we only needed to paint it and equip it with radios and lights. It is a great vehicle to have for extractions and ladder use to roofs and 2nd floors. Please don't post things that you have no idea what you are talking about. FACT @: the dept has the MRAP and BEARCAT: That is the only 2 armoured type vehicles we have.
SWAT didn't want an MRAP. We wanted Bearcats. Idiot Georgas took the MRAP cause it was a free armored vehicle. Georgas and Guiliford never listen to us troops. They decide what we need. LAPD SWAT has a total of 8 armored vehicles. We have a Bearcat that is rusting with a cracked windshield and the MRAP which spends more time in the shop then on operations.
The Top 3 Who have destroyed the SWAT Team Triple D Award are
Dumb (Lt. Mark Marianovich) 3x merit hand job.
Dumber (Deputy Steve Georgas) Mauer's whipping boy and the original merit ass clown.
Dumbest (Chief Wayne Guiliford) Mr Personality himself. McCarthy sticks his hand up Guiliford's ass to make him talk.
You three ass clowns have destroyed SWAT. We are not ready for a terrorist attack.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
"Anonymous said...
B.H.O. = Anti Police & Anti America"
Yeah he sure is.
During a speech at the National Peace Officers Memorial Service held at the U.S. Capitol at the close of Police Week, President Obama honored the lives of 131 peace officers who have died in the line of duty.
5/19/2015 11:51:00 AM
That's something he DIDN'T do in his first term of office, btw.
Maybe his handlers advised him he should make an appearance and at least give the perception he supports police, after all his negative rhetoric and sending White House representatives to thug funerals (but not slain cops' funerals) lately.
The Top 3 Who have destroyed the SWAT Team Triple D Award are
You should not even be called SWAT!!! What after those sissies in L.A. ;10 of them could not beat up 1 man with their fung-shway PR24s. give me me a break. You currently should be called ladies or Rahm's dark swans, Master's Men Masters, or Hamilton's honeys. Its almost time for you to be wearing you summer green unitards.
Citywide 4ever
What in the wild world of sports is going on here you all are jumping around like a bunch of ....Bring back HBT, Man Up. where is the next Fred E ??
SWAT didn't want an MRAP. We wanted Bearcats. Idiot Georgas took the MRAP cause it was a free armored vehicle. Georgas and Guiliford never listen to us troops. They decide what we need. LAPD SWAT has a total of 8 armored vehicles. We have a Bearcat that is rusting with a cracked windshield and the MRAP which spends more time in the shop then on operations.
The Top 3 Who have destroyed the SWAT Team Triple D Award are
Dumb (Lt. Mark Marianovich) 3x merit hand job.
Dumber (Deputy Steve Georgas) Mauer's whipping boy and the original merit ass clown.
Dumbest (Chief Wayne Guiliford) Mr Personality himself. McCarthy sticks his hand up Guiliford's ass to make him talk.
You three ass clowns have destroyed SWAT. We are not ready for a terrorist attack.
Very very true!! Add a couple of the Sgts who sell their souls to make Lt and you have the perfect formula for a tragedy. God help us all!!!
5/19/2015 11:27:00 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
"They'll be all for it (a ban) until some major looting takes place on Michigan Av or State St or some other high profile locations, and then they'll all be demanding something more be done and why didn't the police bring out the riot equipment"
That's already happened, it's called insurance you f'ng moronic stoop
5/19/2015 11:49:00 AM
Hey dumbass, looting not covered under insurance, check your facts before you open your piehole to criticize others. The jargon is "acts of civil unrest."
Swat must be going through a nervous brake down.
How about ......"NO MORE IDIOT FUCKING PRESIDENTS" that's what makes the most sense concerning this country.
I remember when they took the shotguns out of the front seats and put them in the trunks {when you could beg for permission to take one out]because Jesse Jackson beefed about them being "intimidating to the blacks" Chicago never got what it should have as far as policing went the city was a joke when it came to equiptment.
The cartels in Mexico have shot down military helicopters that have been involved in narcotics enforecment.
Cut back on intimidating equipment: Does this mean I can't sign out a grenade launcher anymore?
Can this pos get any stupider? Sorry that was a stupid question lol
Obama needs the equipment for ISIS.
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