So...12 Hour Days, Eh?
Let's just take a moment to note everything we know about the upcoming debacle:
Now that we got that out of the way, some observations and maybe a few questions:
- Did everyone notice that 005 is specifically left out of the order? That's because they only have two watches, meaning they contribute nothing to the Third Watch reaction force. Yet they could draw officers if the situation calls for it. This might just be the death knell of the10-hour/2-shift program.
- Does anyone else think this is an argument for a citywide deploy-able Unit?
- 12.5 hours - does that translate into an extra personal? An extended lunch? We imagine the backlog is going to translate into not just hours, but multiple hours, maybe a day. Are ET jobs going to be suspended? Detective hand-outs held over? Selling Dope calls coded without a response as Tact is otherwise occupied? We'll bet the Inspection Division is out in force at the Branch Courts - nothing like kicking Patrol while they're down.
- District bid officers and District bid sergeants - if deployed outside their contractual boundaries, premium pay on top of holiday pay? Dean and Ade should be alerting their members now, not in a grievance next year. Reverse Seniority might apply somehow? It'll be funny as hell to sort this one out.
- Who really thinks the Deadheads are going to do anything but eat Twinkies, munch Doritos and exchange bootleg tapes?
- Are the HQ mice deployed?
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:21 AM
83 Comments:
No. No praying for rain. Punishing the many for the actions of the few is NOT the way to go.
Bring on the $$$$$. That's all I see. Won't have any effect on me. Hey that rhymes
MG
Maybe the city wants to test out how a 12 hour shift works out for us. You never know.
Seriously, maintain the blog as the future fop president, you would win in a landslide! You have the right outlook on everything minus the whining and bitching of most coppers on here. If you don't want too, find a suitable puppet and recommend him where your running things from behind the scene. We need someone who has the working coppers priorities in mind as well as the retired.
We still haven't got paid for NATO
It may not be as grim as some think, but than again it may be worse.
I wish the police the best for the Fourth of July weekend
Do the citizens in the neighborhoods realize how much they are being fucked by this, and how much we the police and our families are being fucked by this?
Many years ago I worked in a small town with four full-time officers. We worked 12 hour shifts (two meal breaks), three on, three off. It was a way to have 24 hour coverage. Doubt that would translate well here but the day shift passed quickly and the three days off was pretty nice.
To answer one of your questions: you know damn well that HQ house mice and even district commander's secretaries etc. do not factor into this boondoggle.
If McNutty is on his way out he's surely going out in a memorable way.
From an Old Retired Guy;
Back in 1996 when we worked the Democratic National Convention, we worked almost 16 hour days (and we were allowed 2-30 minute lunches and at least 3-15 minute personals). It was written somewhere in the contract that 12 or more hours worked gave you the extra lunch period (probably gone now?) I was a unit rep and made sure my guys got all the correct OT that was written in the contract. They could only change your start time by 2 hours before they had to start paying time and a half or sometimes double time. The city paid out tons of money. However they were supposedly reimbursed by the DNC for all the extra OT and Shanks did not want any problems with the police. Those were some pretty large OT checks and it was almost like a third payday that month.
Just Sayin.....
There is a reason they are pushing 12 hour days on the holiday. It isn't to because they are worried about drunks and lost children.
Keep your eyes open and stay safe.
Apparently the department is bracing itself for rioting due to the anticipated release of a police involved shooting that occurred in 008. Not sure if this is true but it would explain things. You would think they would let us know about this type of stuff.
They are bootleg DVD's!
When the fop says " we'll call you back with the answers" that means they don't know and wont be calling back!
It just does not make any sense, the reason they are saying is because of all the events going on. Bullshit every weekend the city has large events going on, what is the real reason????? Never has this ever happened, are we that low in man power???? or is it something more?? Wait it is a test for the new ten hour days.
HQ,are you kidding,they are off the weekend.
There's got to be more to this than just a deadhead concert. Why has tac sgts been given the order to check all their people for BDUs and associated equipment?? Been to a couple GD concerts back in the day and never saw anything that warranted this kind of reaction. Could it be that GDs of another variety are planning to dance?
And why can't the non instructor mice at the Academy be deployed or assigned somewhere for a 12 hour day? It's not like they are essential personnel over there!
You can always have as many personal as needed as long as it's approved by supervisor, you remain available for jobs and as long as you don't take with lunch or at end of tour. Take advantage of it.
Chicago Police Department Employee Resource E02-02-01
PAYROLL AND TIMEKEEPING - ATTENDANCE
Good thing our union is protecting the management
I haven't had a Twinkee in ages. I could sit down right now with a box and a carton of cold milk.....skim milk of course.
So what going on? ISIS coming to attack? Why all the panic?
OMG! McCarthy on the news talking about all the violence and murders Tuesday. Blaming the gun laws. We he shut up already and just go away. I can't even stand the sight of him anymore. Such a bullshit artist it's ridiculous.
20 and out
Great points, SCC! Still waiting to hear fro F.O.P.. It will be interesting to see how F.O.P. responds.
Ha. The HQ mice were sati her out of half sun/mom and half fri/sat day off groups and put into Sat/sun some time ago. To avoid any shitty details. Look for same hours for the bud parade.
They could also end operation non impact and send the Po's hire the last 3 years to districts finally.
I got an even better one: "Commanders Staff-Office workers" are all 8.0 hours! like the veterans who are schedule to retire between now and June 2017, "you guys fight your own battles"!
The city/dept does what it wants and every leader of the fop will sit back and watch. It's always been that way
It's an emergency created by incompetence and indifference by our elected officials and those who run our Dept. Where is the outcry from the F.O.P. At the bare minimum an informational picketing should be organized downtown. People are dying in a war zone of a city and the Clouted Ones are building Ferris wheels. It's so wrong.
any time due gonna be granted for the 3rd,4th ,or 5th?
Is the department so blind, that they cant recall recent events like the no hiring to replace retirees, and the 10 hour day has caused most or all of their manpower issues?
Anyone...?
6/25/2015 01:42:00 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Do the citizens in the neighborhoods realize how much they are being fucked by this, and how much we the police and our families are being fucked by this?
6/25/2015 01:48:00 AM
I posted it on the neighborhood social media pages and people are not happy because they don't think it's fair to the officers to expect them to work such long hours. They are also saying it proves just how understaffed you are. A few F-bombs about Rahm were thrown in...he didn't win in our area and we are predominantly white middle to upper middle class.
squad we're gonna need more tape.
Oh and close the beaches for the citizens safety
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I got an even better one: "Commanders Staff-Office workers" are all 8.0 hours! like the veterans who are schedule to retire between now and June 2017, "you guys fight your own battles"!
6/25/2015 09:29:00 AM
Just keep paying in to the pension fund, Bitch!
Don't matter how many hours. CPD is not up to par for real crime issues.
Here maybe this is the answer, terrorists ready to strike?
http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-06-25/fbi-rounding-up-islamic-state-suspects
The recent arrests are “an indication that the increased number of threads of threats … is at the highest level that most of us have seen since 9/11,” Chairman Richard Burr of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence told us in an interview.
His comments track with those of his House counterpart Devin Nunes, who said earlier this week that the country is at a higher risk of terrorism than ever before!
Be safe remember
Training on secondary explosions if we are drawn in, get off the internet in the squads pay attention, back each other up why do we have to get information from news sources? Crickets not a great idea now boss!!
The idiots who make these decisions aren't affected by the changes.
Here is logic for you, tact can let 4 people take cu. The four getting it are on the same team, due to most senior officers, four others on that team are on furlogh so that leaves 2 po's working nights on the 3rd.All the other teams are full, but due to seniority rules and this ass a nine 15% , one team gets decimated.
Now I know a lot of people bitch about tact on here, blah, blah, blah, this is more about downtown again showing they have zero common sense.
So the game begins you wouldn't let a criminal treat you this way but you accept the way the police dept treats you. What is your breaking point. What will be the last straw what two thing did they teach you in the academy. Go home safe and family comes first. What they mean is thier family comes first and you take all the risk. The city and the FOP are one in the same. Who's to blame we are. Your letting these guys who you would not leave your children along with. I'm going the Baltimore way. It took me awhile to figure it out and I just did
I'm sure the 007th district Intelligence officer and district secretary will scam some ot out of this. 80-100hrs per period the last two periods isn't enough for them. Along with the 141hours overtime the tact Lt worked last period. The new Commander must be printing money in his office.
Wonder if Dart's boys will deployed around the city for 4th of July weekend.
The 12hr day has to do with keeping the homicides, shootings and Navy Pier/Downtown quite for the holiday weekend. 12 hour shifts keep more police on the street and free up 3rd watch to cover Navy Pier/Downtown and probably some foot posts in the districts. The city is afraid of double digit homicides, 30 plus shootings and vistors being beat and robbed. It's to keep the city out of the national headlines. No secret that the past few years has caused lots of headaches for the Mayor. I don't believe it will help with the homicides and shootings but might keep downtown a bit safer. I pray for our safety and let's stick together.
20 and out
I have 16 years on. Sometimes I don't think I can do one more shift at this job. Don't know if I'll make it to 20.
http://www.courthousenews.com/2015/06/05/chicago-police-fiasco-over-a-broken-key.htm
Rats!
I thought the video of the 008 shooting was not to be released per the settlement. Maybe a retired judge can release that one too
If they ask you to work your RDO on the the 4th DON'T DO IT! Unless you only want four hours of pay.
c. A member whose regular day off coincides with an established holiday and who is required to work a regular tour of duty (eight hours) on the holiday will be credited with four hours of pay and twenty hours of compensatory time.
d. Agreement members whose regular day off coincides with an established holiday will not be allowed to voluntarily work the holiday.
Chicago Police Department Employee Resource E02-02-03
PAYROLL AND TIMEKEEPING – HOLIDAYS / PERSONAL DAYS
Anonymous said...
Ha. The HQ mice were sati her out of half sun/mom and half fri/sat day off groups and put into Sat/sun some time ago. To avoid any shitty details. Look for same hours for the bud parade.
6/25/2015 08:52:00 AM
You're wrong. The house mice were switched to those day off groups (from DOG Saturday/Sunday) so they'd each be available to work a shitty detail on at least one weekend day. It happens like that every summer. I'm not saying that they'll not all scramble to put in a P-day to get out of those details, though.
Check the money box
http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-06-25/fbi-rounding-up-islamic-state-suspects
ot - Hey K. D-C R&D
Hope our girlfriend is on vacation cause she's been home everyday this week!
We thought you had someone keeping an eye on her.
It's summer and she has no sitter.. Watch her for many more stolen days.
Are they going to keep 2nd watch cars 99. Officer safety issues!!
Office staff are not factored in. House mice never are. This affects 3rd watch mainly because they will be the ones deployed when the shit hits the fan. Everyone else will maintain the calls. Just watch yourself and each other and never ever forget, NOBODY FUCKS with the CPD...
Everyone just be safe. Until we get real leadership or people to say something this department will always be this way.
You didn't have a contract during the democratic convention in 1968.
In 1968, during the democratic national convention we worked in the district from midnight to noon for two weeks. These two weeks were probably the worst weeks during my entire career.
Also, the cars were not air-conditioned.
Have friends who are police in DC area and their departments are enacting some additional precautions for the Fourth weekend that have never been implemented before. They also have World Police Games going on in week prior to the Fourth so that region is filled with more potential targets than usual. Maybe there is some concern that the "JV team" has something planned. Be safe and make sure your families are safe too.
I like turtles
This just in to the SCC newsroom Beyoncé Chris rock demand gun control!
http://www.myfoxchicago.com/story/29413051/beyonc-chris-rock-demand-a-plan-gun-control
Hmm are you fleet of bodyguards armed? Starting there disarm them immediately show us your "skin in the game" hypocrites!
when i am no longer employed by this city, that is to say, when I retire (hopefully), I plan to not spend the remaining years of my life stuck being a cop (in my head). Because if I am retired and no longer employed by the police department, then why would I want to go around talking about what I did in 1968?
Please tell me there's more to do out there than sit around remembering how squad cars had no air-conditioning. Go outside, go fishing, fly somewhere, do something...
The democratic convention? 1968? It's not world war 2. You're not the greatest generation. Sorry, baby boomers, but you had the best ride in human history.
This wouldn't merit a response like this if somehow JG was resurrected for 3 days!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
You can always have as many personal as needed as long as it's approved by supervisor, you remain available for jobs and as long as you don't take with lunch or at end of tour. Take advantage of it.
Chicago Police Department Employee Resource E02-02-01
PAYROLL AND TIMEKEEPING - ATTENDANCE
6/25/2015 06:54:00 AM
I read order E02-02-01. If I understand it correctly, the "personals" paragraph, as seen below, estates that members are entitled to one fifteen minutes personal. I understand that it would be at least cruel for a supervisor to deny one an additional personal on a 12 hour day. If the supervisor is worth his salt, he/she would take care of his/her workers, yet the order specifically states one personal. Please correct me if I am wrong.
D. Personals
1. Sworn members assigned to units which normally receive assignments by radio may be granted a personal not to exceed fifteen minutes during their tour of duty. The granting of a personal should not adversely impact the overall operations of the unit. A personal will not immediately precede nor immediately follow the designated lunch period. A personal will not normally be granted during the last hour of the tour of duty.
2. Officers will notify the police communications operator to request a personal. The police communications operator will acknowledge the requesting unit and follow the Office of Emergency Communications procedures for miscellaneous assignments. While in a personal status, the requesting unit will monitor the radio and will be available for assignment. If an assignment is received while on a personal, the receiving unit will immediately terminate such status and respond to the assignment without delay.
3. Supervisory members will monitor the members under their direct supervision to ensure that a request for a personal does not adversely impact the operations of the unit. If in the opinion of the supervisor the workload at any particular time is not conducive to the granting of a personal, the supervisor will notify the police communications operator to refuse the personal at that time.
I won't be coming downtown.
Too much drama and not enough police deployed.
I hope everyone stays safe and you don't have a major uprising.
Uniforms should be Red for the day with white hats. Then, watching it on the News would look like watching Zulu.
You must be dyslexic. He said the 1996 convention, not the 1968 convention.
Be alert. 2 isis attacks-france and tunisia.
Just do the minimum work. Answer the jobs and nothing more. If this works out for the dept kiss most of your holidays goodby. Everyone who is thinking about just the money is not looking at the long game here. This is a job, once a great job but still a job. Our family and friends are what matter and if we're forced to work long hours on holidays we will no longer be apart of those family and friend gatherings. We already give up part of those times just being the police we should not willingly give up the whole day just because the City refuses to hire the manpower to safely police this city. If we as officers would stand together stop doing VRI and just do the minimum on this 12hr weekend we could force the city to finally hire more officers. The money is nice but if we don't spend time with our family and friends we will lose so much more then money.
Given this morning's Isis attacks..I'm now 100% sure the city received some sort of terror threat for the 4th of July!!
4th of July, 12 hour tours, reaction force created, sounds like there's intelligence that the little people don't NEED TO KNOW.
Why in the 21st century does any police department pay police officers to work computers , answer telephones , deliver mail , process crime scenes . Now the 7th District is paying police officers to coach little league . Where are the mother and fathers , father flag egrets , reverends ? $80,000 a year to be a mentor for kids , I bet many men without jobs would do that , waste of police manpower .
hey ssc i will work 12hrs along as my partner is seiser 12hrs n seiser together we can run it.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
You didn't have a contract during the democratic convention in 1968.
6/25/2015 09:47:00 PM
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Your reading comprehension is terrible!
Nineteen ninety six!!!
Anonymous said...
when i am no longer employed by this city, that is to say, when I retire (hopefully), I plan to not spend the remaining years of my life stuck being a cop (in my head). Because if I am retired and no longer employed by the police department, then why would I want to go around talking about what I did in 1968?
Please tell me there's more to do out there than sit around remembering how squad cars had no air-conditioning. Go outside, go fishing, fly somewhere, do something...
The democratic convention? 1968? It's not world war 2. You're not the greatest generation. Sorry, baby boomers, but you had the best ride in human history.
6/25/2015 11:42:00 PM
I would like to start my sermon by saying, man are you a stroke. You rip a guy for posting in retirement. He probably has a ton of time of his hands.
You, on the other hand, are currently the police. You do it every day, year after year, yet you don't get enough of it that you read and post on a police blog during your little time off?
Spend some time with YOUR kids, go fishing or anything, but leave us alone.
I enjoy the stories the old-timers post. I especially enjoy stories about 68 and 69's "days of rage." (you probably have no clue what that is because you have never been the real police)
Grow up or even better, just go away.
How many other departments are preparing for "holiday cheer?"
NYC, LA, DC, BOS? Or is it just us? Happy Ramadan?
You're not the greatest generation. Sorry, baby boomers, but you had the best ride in human history.
. . . and made the most money !
The dead allow you to tape then so the takes betting exchanged wouldn't be bootlegs.
Seiser for President
Heavy Weapons, Swat trucks are Downtown for threats made.
Rained all day today
To: 6/25/2015 11:42:00 PM - when i am no longer employed by this city, that is to say, when I retire (hopefully), I plan to not spend the remaining years of my life stuck being a cop (in my head).
I know that morale in this Department is in the sewer. No matter what rank you hold, in some aspect the effects of poor moral partly caused by the lack of quality and qualified leadership in upper management and City figureheads is felt in a resounding way. I won't even get into the lack of support of the politicians, media, SOME residents and many community groups during this post.
My point here is simply that if you are in any way a decent cop, you will be a cop until you die. You have developed skills that are not taught, yet they are learned. They are learned through life experience and repetition. You have developed some skills and you have developed a "sixth sense" that many do not have, do not get and do not develop. Some of it is survival, but most of it is the inner you ("in your head"), inherently wanting to do what's right, wanting to do good, wanting to help and wanting to both succeed, and in a small way, wanting that inner feeling of a the adrenalin rush and feeling of pride and success. That's why we do what we do, all rolled into a nutshell. If you are in any way a decent cop you will never be able to get it out of your head. You may choose to act differently, you may have to based on age, medical condition, etc., or based on the situation, but you will be aware. You will be alert, you will be attentive to your surrounding and will see things others don't. You will feel something isn't right and you will plan an action or reaction.
My point is that no matter how much you hate your job, hate your bosses and dislike everyone else who you feel doesn't think exactly as you do, act as you do, or how you think they should, bosses who don't allow you to do what you want when you want, and the policies and protocols that you don't agree with or want to tolerate but have to in order to keep your job, you will always have this job in your head. If you hate that idea, work on accepting it now, or you will eventually hate yourself because you cannot get it out of your head. You will be angry and resentful; more than you are now, but most of it will be self-initiated and directed inward at yourself. Don't dreads it, embrace it. It is a plethora of skills, intuition and resolve that may save your life and may continue to protect your family and friends. After all, do you really want to become part of the heard of sheep you resent and complain about every day? P.S. Busting on the guys who have embraced it and who hold fond memories of a better time is pretty petty and childish. That hate is eating you; work on it.
this reminds me of the great fiasco of the million man march, years back....had coppers deployed all over the place.......and nothing! nothing out of the ordinary happen. maybe there's some creditable threats that they have refuse to share with the general public and the boots on the ground coppers.
"Are the HQ mice deployed?"
We have taken up a collection in a plastic "donation" cup, and have gathered 17 rounds of .380 and .38 S&W of various types and ages for them so far. The crusty green ones are the best, take our word.
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"Be alert. 2 isis attacks-france and tunisia."
6/26/2015 07:35:00 AM
Tunisia -- talk about "soft targets." 37 mainly British tourists in shorts and swimsuits murdered at poolside and on the beach...
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/06/26/15/2A010DFE00000578-3140454-image-a-71_1435330788129.jpg
...by this proponent of the "Religion Of Peace..."
http://www.independent.co.uk/incoming/article10349771.ece/alternates/w620/isisgunman.jpg
...who was eventually splattered by Tunisian security forces...
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/06/26/19/2A027D2900000578-3140454-image-a-7_1435344941781.jpg
"When seconds count, the police are only minutes away."
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