Sunday, July 10, 2016

Ethical Debate?

  • When Dallas police used a bomb-carrying robot to kill a sniper, they also kicked off an ethical debate about technology's use as a crime-fighting weapon.

    In what appears to be an unprecedented tactic, police rigged a bomb-disposal robot to kill an armed suspect in the fatal shootings of five officers in Dallas. While there doesn't appear to be any hard data on the subject, security experts and law enforcement officials said they couldn't recall another time when police have deployed a robot with lethal intent.
The only discussion this should open up is, "Where's ours?" and "Can we check one out like a shotgun?" This isn't Skynet - these aren't autonomous machines running around wiping out John Connor and the Resistance. It's a tool under the direct control of the duly authorized agents of the State preventing the further loss of life by a terrorist. That he was killed is incidental, plus any rational human being doesn't really give a shit. That would exclude the a large portion of the media evidently.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good guy robot: Surrender or else....

Bad guy: No

Good guy robot: OK, this is "else". Catch. Bye bye.

Boom

Game over.

7/10/2016 12:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

News reports say that R2D2 is reportedly heartbroken over the recent demise of his friend in Texas. C3PO has not yet issued any statements. Another friend just identified as Robot B9 just kept repeating "Danger Will Robinson Danger."

7/10/2016 12:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It was unfair and probably against the laws of land warfare. It also deprived him of his rights without a fair trial.

7/10/2016 12:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In all the stories NOT ONE commented about the condition of the Robot. I sure hope it's OK.
Robot Circuits Matter.

RonS

7/10/2016 12:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I bet these same people think we should not have dropped bombs on Nagasaki and Hiroshima, which ended WWII, and instead sacrifice a million American soldiers to invade Japan.

7/10/2016 12:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The lives of police personnel were possibly saved. It was definitely the right thing to do. The media has nothing better to do than play devil's advocate, so to hell with them.

7/10/2016 12:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Used a robot to kill a crazy piece of shit... and?

7/10/2016 12:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

These fucking liberals want 10 of us to rush these murderers, half of us get killed effecting the arrest and they'll say, well, that's part of the job you signed up for. It's amazing how a liberal will sacrifice the police and servicemens lives with no second thought. But oh, you better not kill some critter. It's an endangered species, don't you know. The only thing that should be endangered is that type of thought.

7/10/2016 01:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anybody remember Wilson Goode, the Philadelphia mayor that authorized (ordered) the police to drop a bomb from a helicopter on a terrorist house in the '80s? It ended burning down the entire block. Desperate times call for desperate measures.

7/10/2016 01:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If Barry's Lynch Mob (formerly known as the DOJ) try to pull any shit, just tell them it was a drone on wheels.

7/10/2016 02:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can we get one these robots in 008 to go from 56th to 73rd Artesian and down Lithuanian plaza , then down to Oakley then north , that would solve most of the crime in 008.

Dallas PD did a great job in taking him out, it was best, in custody means a trial and the dept. and the city would have to relive it, dude is where he belongs, RIP to all officers in Dallas, you are heroes and heroes live forever.

7/10/2016 02:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What's the big deal?
I think it was a wise decision and a brilliant tactical move.

7/10/2016 03:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There is a lot of confusion on this point, because in the random shooting by the deceased he may have himself detonated the device by shooting at or in the direction of the robot. If that was the case, then this falls into the category of the 1985 Philadelphia Aerial bombardment of the MOVE colony, which caused "Unintentional" death and major damage to an entire neighborhood. MOVE was a movement started by John Africa, a functionally illiterate, African American who convinced several people, including some Whites to live in his Commune. These people were organized around several issues including Police Brutality, and returning to a Hunter/Gatherer society.(This stuff is too outrageous to make up!) This Movement had some years earlier killed a Philadelphia police officer, so these people were no strangers to violence. And under the incompetent leadership of a Mayor who happened to be Black, the police using FBI explosives bombed MOVE from a helicopter and killed several adults and children and caused dozens of homes to be burned to the ground. But that was O.K. because the government of Philadelphia at the time was Black, so it was tolerated since it is like our Black on Black shootings and homicides.In any event: Stay Fetal, Stay Fetal; F%@k Rahm's "Chicago Values"! As the end of Obama's Presidency approaches and the Coronation of Queen Hillary draws nearer; things are going to get worse, much worse. Baby"G"

7/10/2016 03:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"...police rigged a bomb-disposal robot to kill an armed suspect..."

...a military veteran with a two-year accumulation of weapons and bomb-making materials at home, who was claiming to have IEDs, and who had just killed five police officers, and wounded seven more (plus one peaceful protester). Police negotiated with him for hours, engaged in another gun battle with him, and finally decided that no more policemen were going to die that evening. In an age of heavily-armed, deranged, radicalized terrorists who often have suicide vests that will wreck an airport or nightclub, this was a perfectly reasonable move by authorities.

...and if anything did go up, well, that lousy robot doesn't have a wife and kids waiting at home...

That "veteran" shooter got thrown out of even Afghanistan and sent home after six months, by the way, after multiple complaints of peculiar behavior and sexual harassment, including the theft of women's underwear. A dishonorable discharge recommendation was included, but somehow he skated on that one.

7/10/2016 03:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Ethical debate;" do we start a bucket brigade up and down a flight of burning stairs that might collapse under us, or do we stand outside in the doorway and use the fire hose?

This is a world in which I have actually heard "STOP" signs called "racist" -- "Some people have different cultural standards."

Seriously.

7/10/2016 03:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OK. "Ethical problem" here. Bomb threat in the Tribune offices, evacuate the whole place, cordon off the street below, wait a few days, and then allow a senior editor in with a broomstick to poke around.

7/10/2016 04:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Authorized deadly force is just that. It doesn't matter what is used. At a tactics seminar not long after the Bank of America shootout in LA a local SWAT Sgt. asked the LAPD guy telling the story why they didn't used the commandeered armored truck to just ram the bad guy's car and run them over. Legal force is legal force.

7/10/2016 06:03:00 AM  
Blogger Mr. SouthSide said...

It was a great move. Can we get one?

7/10/2016 06:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I still wanna be the first on the block to have my own Terminator. As long as he's kept away from the MacBook, we're cool, right?

7/10/2016 06:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In a few days, the fallen officers will be moved to the second tier of the news and the debate will intensify about the use of the robot and how the police "overreacted" to the threat of this troubled young man who needed help, not killing.

7/10/2016 07:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The only problem is that CPD doesn't have them, a lot of them a hole lot of them. But then you would need a command staff with the ball to use them and that along with the robots you do not have.

7/10/2016 07:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Problem? What problem?

7/10/2016 07:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

All I have to say is this, you have an active shooter who was killing and injuring both police and civilians. Who gives a shit how they stopped him, he was eliminated, end of story.

7/10/2016 07:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can the family sue the robot for wrongful death?

7/10/2016 07:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
OK. "Ethical problem" here. Bomb threat in the Tribune offices, evacuate the whole place, cordon off the street below, wait a few days, and then allow a senior editor in with a broomstick to poke around.

7/10/2016 04:02:00 AM

Sounds more like a viable solution. All I can add is that he wears bright, cheerful colors, we wouldn't want him to intimidate anyone he encounters.

7/10/2016 07:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The media is more outraged at the 'inhumane' death of the Dallas sniper, than the death of the 5 officers.

7/10/2016 08:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

First thing I thought of when it was said the Robot /Bomb took him out??????....PHUQEN AYE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

7/10/2016 08:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If they would have hit the building with RPGs and it collapsed around the piece of garbage, so what?? Still a happy and justified ending.

7/10/2016 08:46:00 AM  
Blogger stash the polski guy said...

2:21am drone on wheels. ROTFLMFAO good catch.

7/10/2016 09:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Robots don't cry about pensions

7/10/2016 09:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Straw man at its finest.

7/10/2016 09:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Straw man at its finest.

7/10/2016 09:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There is no debate, and there is nothing unethical about the situation. The bad guy is dead, within the scope of the law, and the means to his death does not matter. It's not ethical or unethical, it's just what needs to be done. Just like there is nothing unethical about eating animals: animals are food and bad guys need to die, so liberals need to shut the fuck up or put on a uniform and see how their tactics work out for them.

7/10/2016 09:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Quite the contrary. That was cool

7/10/2016 09:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why is there even a question about the ethics of that decision at this point? We have been using drones to neutralize targets for a number of years now at various locations around the world. Is the robot any different than a drone? Both are guided to the target by humans, the "devices" used to neutralize the target are triggered by humans, etc. The only real difference is the means by which they reach their target. Didn't the Navy just launch a drone submarine hunter? What is a "suicide bomber" really - a human drone for some cause, someone who's emotions have been programmed to kill others. In a way the shooter in Dallas was a "drone", emotionally programmed to kill specific targets. Not a Skynet T1000 but close enough.

7/10/2016 10:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
It was unfair and probably against the laws of land warfare. It also deprived him of his rights without a fair trial.

7/10/2016 12:33:00 AM


I get the sarcaism. Remember... POTUS has whacked how many people in lands that we are not at war with? I will let him stand trial for depriving people ( including Americans) of their civil liberties when the drones come out of the sky.

7/10/2016 11:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As a retired PO, I think it was ingenious to use a Robot to blow up that scumbag! Tempers always run high when one of our own are killed and the urge to "Go in fast and Dynamic" is hard to resist . Tragedy of the highest degree and my deepest sympathy to the Families of the Fallen! Again, sharp thinking by the Dallas PD to prevent further Police injury and /or death.

7/10/2016 11:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let us have a moment of silence for Robby the Robot who so valiantly gave up his life combating the forces of evil. Godspeed little robot. You were the true victim of that final battle.

7/10/2016 11:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The two jobs every American thinks they know how to do

NFL quarterback. Why did he under throw or over throw it? Why didn't he hit the open guy? Why didn't he run it? Why didn't he throw it away? Why did he force it? Why did he call that audible?

Cop. Why did he stop me? Why doesn't he go after real criminals? Why is he picking on me? Why is he chasing that person? What do you mean I have to comply? Why don't they taze him? Why don't they shoot the gun out of his hand? Why don't they arrest that guy, he's the drug dealer? What do you mean I have to go to court?

The similarities between the occupations, both have to make split second decisions based on circumstances, experience and physical ability. Both take more criticism then is fair. Both are subject to injury which may have long term effects.

The differences, there are fewer than 100 NFL quarterbacks, and probably only fifteen that are really good performers. There are close to a million police officers. Of which well over 99pct are really good performers. Quarterbacks make millions, a cop might make a million over the course of his career. Quarterbacks have several large men protecting them, a helmet and pads. A cop has a partner and a radio to call in the Calvary which may be minutes away. This partner may range from 100-300 pounds in weight, and quite often they work alone. No quarterback has been attacked with a weapon, died in the line of duty or as far as I know had a paralyzing injury. We have over five hundred fallen stars in our department alone. No quarterback has ever been sued or charged criminally for what he does on the field, every encounter we have with the public could turn south. No athlete of any kind has ever been criticized by the Obama administration, our profession is hated and continuously criticized by said administration.

Lastly, one cannot take a test to become an NFL quarterback, the chances of becoming one are similar to winning the lottery. One can take the police test, 99pct of our critics would never have the courage to become the police, even though it is hardly an impossible dream like becoming a NFL quarterback. They are all cowards, hypocrites etc etc

7/10/2016 11:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

It was unfair and probably against the laws of land warfare. It also deprived him of his rights without a fair trial.

7/10/2016 12:33:00 AM

ASSHAT! Unfair? This racist thug just killed five innocent Dallas police officers. What would you suggest they do, bring him a cafe latte and a croissant? You libtards continue to amaze me with your ignorance.

7/10/2016 12:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

just tell them it was a drone on wheels

Best comment of the weekend.......... Barry loves his drone air force , he can pick out "suspects" from his list and then have them blown up. He doesn't care about due process even when it comes to American Citizens in this regard.

Did the people on the list deserve to be there ? I am sure the due . Should the be killed , executed or whatever term you like ? I am sure they should. But this path shows what a hypocrite, racist, non leader we have in the White House BTW I wonder if the name of the official residence in Washington bothers him ?

7/10/2016 12:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How many people need to be killed in order to use a bomb in a robot to kill the offender?
None...if deadly force is an option.

7/10/2016 12:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No debate. He killed 5. Injured
Many. Robot stopped his wrath because officers didn't have a good idea of his capabilities and so forth. Smart move. Chicago needs this ideology in some instances.

7/10/2016 12:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Waaay to go Dallas!" (from the movie Crimson Tide)

What is left of that robot should be put in a place of honor at a police museum.

Did you ever see how the Israelis handle the bodies of a downed terrorist. They often bring in a robot to turn over the body and remove anything that might be explosive. Even is dead someone like this could be booby trapped.

Do we still have the Bomb Technician robot "little Frankie"?
Would our brass consider using it in the same way in a similar situation?

7/10/2016 12:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have a co-worker who is now convinced that the establishment will now send a explosive laden robot into his home to get him so they can confiscate his guns without any resistance. Seriously.

7/10/2016 12:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Getting an education is racist. Being expected to raise your kids, racist. Having less that three baby mama, racist. Having a D/L, racist. Paying for your own food, racist. Not watching porn in front of toddlers, racist. I could go on.

7/10/2016 01:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It was unfair and probably against the laws of land warfare. It also deprived him of his rights without a fair trial.

7/10/2016 12:33:00 AM


You frequently post about this time with your juvenile "provocative" comments to amuse yourself. It has never been funny.

The fact that you are trying to amuse yourself with this while we all handle this mass murder of police officers shows what a moron you really are. Grow up and go away.

7/10/2016 01:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The tribune has now become the official cheerleader rag of the terrorist BLM. Their reporters are constantly cheerleading for the protesters that are nothing but thug mouth breathing pieces of shot who only want to smoke their weed and collect a welfare check. It's truly disgusting.

7/10/2016 01:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't worry about R2D2 cuz the robots have a REAL UNION! They dispatched R2DoubleD2 to help the robot with any issues it may have after it's use.

7/10/2016 01:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
It was unfair and probably against the laws of land warfare. It also deprived him of his rights without a fair trial.

7/10/2016 12:33:00 AM

Was it fair that this jag off killed 5 police officers and targeted them because they were white? My only regret is that they could only kill the asshole once.

Brilliant idea by Dallas Police Department to use the robot on this police assassin. Glad that they didn't expose further personnel to danger to apprehend this murderer. The families were given closure and spared arduous court proceedings.

7/10/2016 01:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"...in the random shooting by the deceased he may have himself detonated the device by shooting at or in the direction of the robot. If that was the case, then this falls into the category of the 1985 Philadelphia Aerial bombardment of the MOVE colony, which caused "Unintentional" death and major damage to an entire neighborhood."

7/10/2016 03:29:00 AM

Sorry. No comparison between the two situations at all.

7/10/2016 02:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"It was unfair and probably against the laws of land warfare. It also deprived him of his rights without a fair trial."

7/10/2016 12:33:00 AM

This is just our resident troll, looking for any kind of attention.

Don't waste a moment on him.

7/10/2016 02:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Get another 1,000 of them and rig them up!

7/10/2016 02:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sad the robot probably got hurt!

7/10/2016 02:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Social Justice or Hate, the White House wouldn't want discouragement on this groups ethics:

Babu Omowale, the so-called national minister of defense for the People’s New Black Panther Party, says his group and allied organizations have their sights set on establishing “our own government in a nation within a nation"

The revolutionary stated: “We just need to start migrating back to those states and taking control of the economics in those states. If black people move in, most definitely white people will move out. So it’s not a hard process for us to have our own country within a country."
The Huey P. Newton Gun Club says on its websiteit is seeking to “develop over time to a regimented Black Army.”

Former IL Rep. J. Walsh (R) may be on to something.

7/10/2016 04:55:00 PM  
Blogger Bill Miller said...

I've actually gotten into arguments with libtards who wonder whether the killer-robot would have been deployed is the suspect was white. Another one asked why they couldn't go in with tasers...

The suspect was armed with an SKS, and had already proven how dangerous he is, and some moron-Monday-morning-quarterback on the internet wants to know why they couldn't just go in with tasers blazing...

Seriously, if those people were any dumber, we'd have to water them.

7/10/2016 05:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Has anyone asked if the Robot was okay?

7/10/2016 07:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Would be nice to have a car like this with a citizen driving,and if the equipment could be modified could you imagine how quickly the cowardly "activist" would retreat home to mom's basement! I know it would not happen but would be great:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AX8Zp-Z1jgs

Check ready to go:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2RDh0EqRH8

7/10/2016 07:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great thinking in Dallas . Great work. I do so hope the robot was unharmed.

7/10/2016 08:13:00 PM  
Anonymous CrookCountyJustice said...

Would have preferred if they had rigged it up with a flame thrower....but totally justified.

7/10/2016 09:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Ethical debate", my ass. The police used the technology available to them to stop a deadly shooter who refused to be taken alive even after a long negotiation. They didn't owe him a "fair fight". This wasn't a boxing match.

7/10/2016 10:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am seeing huge amounts of white protesters, not just shmuck kids, but late 20's, 30's,40's and 50' yr.old. A couple of my friends adult children are at every protest, A few family member's are also joining the "Revolution", as they call it.People are beginning to believe the hype! Their feedback is such, we are marching because of the decades of racial profiling and excessive force.Police officer's need to realize that no one has their back's. It's a sad situation.

7/10/2016 10:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

""Waaay to go Dallas!" (from the movie Crimson Tide)"

No, its from "The Hunt For Red October."

Jonesy, the sonar man.

7/10/2016 11:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"It was unfair and probably against the laws of land warfare. It also deprived him of his rights without a fair trial."

#1 All is fair in war
#2 His rights to a fair trial disappeared when he began taking lives. He could have killed more people and he clearly indicated that he would further endanger and take human life unless stopped ASAP
#3 When Deadly Force is justified the method and mechanics of its administration are trivial and irrelevant.

7/10/2016 11:37:00 PM  
Blogger Joebillybob said...

"Waaay to go Dallas!" (from the movie Crimson Tide)

Not Crimson Tide... Hunt for Red October

7/10/2016 11:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Shooter knew enough not to position himself where a sniper team could get him -- that precision rifle, similarly under total control of a trained professional and only given the "green light" by a higher authority, is just another tool to be used to end violent aggression in extreme cases, when all other efforts have proven fruitless and the danger is worsening as time passes.

.338 out of a near-perfect rifle with the best telescopic sight available, or a dab of C-4 poked carefully around the corner on a stick under constant robot camera observation -- either way, offender neutralized and no further harm done to anyone. 5 officers dead and 7 more injured -- plus innocent bystanders -- is more than enough for one evening.

Pray for the dead and injured in Dallas, and their families, friends, and colleagues. DPD put a squad out in front of HQ and it's covered with so many blue ribbons and flowers and cards and notes, people stopping to light votive candles and pray quietly, that you can hardly see the vehicle.

God bless all who stopped by to pay respects. We -- all of us, everywhere -- did see this and do greatly appreciate it. You are in our hearts as well.

"We Serve And Protect."

7/11/2016 12:07:00 AM  
Blogger Joebillybob said...

"Waaay to go Dallas!" (from the movie Crimson Tide)

Not Crimson Tide... Hunt for Red October

7/11/2016 12:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gray job by Dallas Police Chief, looked sharp and spoke like a knowledgable boss in charge. Watching Eddie and Escallante on TV makes me cringe, two deer in headlights!!

7/11/2016 04:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here dude, hold this for a second. I'll be right back!

7/11/2016 04:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe police depts should have drones to shoot offenders shooting g at police.

7/11/2016 05:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

NO Problem with this solution at all!!!

7/11/2016 10:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Apache gunships needed badly

7/11/2016 02:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't give a rat's pattotie if they sent R2SCREWU in or Chuckie, that sack of turd had it coming.

7/12/2016 07:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Joebillybob said...
"Waaay to go Dallas!" (from the movie Crimson Tide)

Not Crimson Tide... Hunt for Red October

7/11/2016 12:14:00 AM

Your right.... sorry.

Maybe here is where they got the idea.

I was also thinking of when the Sheriff of Rock Ridge comes in as Western Union delivery boy. "Candygram for Mr. Mongo."

"Mongo like candy." BOOM!

Cue Loony Tones theme

Now that was from Blazing Saddles.

7/13/2016 12:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Blazing Saddles . . . a movie that could NEVER be made today.

Wonder if some of the good citizens of Chicago are singing this hymn in church:

Now is the time of great decision
Are we to stay or up and quit?
There's no avoiding this conclusion
Our town is turning into shit




7/13/2016 11:59:00 AM  

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