This Again?
- The ABC7 I-Team investigated allegations of Chicago police bartering with arrestees, allegedly letting them off the hook to get guns off the streets.
Chicago police take an illegal gun off the streets about once an hour.
South Sider Charles Stokes, 35, said he and a friend were known to police and, he believes, targeted by officers for the gun squeeze. The men said they were arrested by Chicago police and told if they could come up with guns no charges would be filed, and gave the I-Team video allegedly showing it happen.
We certainly hope that the picture being painted here has a plausible explanation. Those days are dead and gone. You want to make deals for guns, you're shortsighted and you're begging to be set up. While it might seem like a noble effort, cops are not authorized to overlook one violation of the law because something "better" might be out there. You have, for all intents and purposes, kidnapped someone off the streets and substantially restricted their movement, while operating under the color of law. That isn't anything to be involved in these days.
In short order, COPA will be looking for cops to hang, and if it isn't for a shooting, it'll be for procedural violations similar to what is being written by the media and some persons of doubtful character. Regardless of the outcome, it isn't a process you want to be anywhere near. Not today.
We deleted about five comments that claim that this is "good police work" and that "nothing stops you from using a criminal to further a separate investigation." No shit. But that isn't what's described in the article. Again, we certainly hope the media is making a mountain out of a molehill, but we've been here too long not to have heard about situations as the one being described. Yes, you're taught to investigate; yes, you can question a subject (post Miranda) about other crimes. What you cannot do is "make a deal" on the street or RWOC someone whom you have caught dirty for the initial crime. You are headed for disaster.
In short order, COPA will be looking for cops to hang, and if it isn't for a shooting, it'll be for procedural violations similar to what is being written by the media and some persons of doubtful character. Regardless of the outcome, it isn't a process you want to be anywhere near. Not today.
We deleted about five comments that claim that this is "good police work" and that "nothing stops you from using a criminal to further a separate investigation." No shit. But that isn't what's described in the article. Again, we certainly hope the media is making a mountain out of a molehill, but we've been here too long not to have heard about situations as the one being described. Yes, you're taught to investigate; yes, you can question a subject (post Miranda) about other crimes. What you cannot do is "make a deal" on the street or RWOC someone whom you have caught dirty for the initial crime. You are headed for disaster.
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posted by SCC at 12:02 AM
41 Comments:
Well said, Its not that way anymore. Stay safe and don't risk your pension for these ungrateful dogs.
If the video was a few years old, ok I get it. This was a year ago. Are you fucking kidding me?! Coppers are still out there doing this type of shit? What in the actual fuck? For what? A pat on the back? Court? Staying on the "team?"
Hopefully a wake up call for those with egomaniac issues that think they'Re the Real deal. Just remain Fetal.
This ain't the 80's, 90's or even
double-aughts...
Which boss(es) impressed upon
these guys that they could do this
(now) dumb shit?
>Cameras Every-Fucking-Where<
Bartering guns for freedom WAS in the
realm of the darkest of gray area Policing
once upon a time.
One less gun accessible to a mutt was
one less gun pointed at Policemen,
especially in the former CHA free-fire zones.
But...
The rules of Policing have been changed.
Shame on any Copper who either hasn't gotten
the memo or willfully chooses to ignore it.
>Skull on a stick with a sign underneath<
"Danger! Keep Out!"
Nowadays?
"Get da gun!"
Gets you an ass-pocket full of problems.
Police like a square.
Police like you have no friends.
Doing so will keep you
off the radar and out of prison.
Remember, only the Feds can use informants to set up people for crimes.
Just ask the Bundys.
Answer your call and go home!!!
It may seem wrong but It has saved lives
Better to leave the shitheads keep their guns, rather than lose your job or worse Officer goes to jail!
It's not like the Chicago Police dept. or City hall minions is going to back you up in a jam!
Stay safe, don't do stupid shit for the sake of numbers and most importantly, go home to your families because this police job ain't shit in the long run!
Just say fuck it and let the criminals keep the guns or better yet, just don't arrest anyone just to make some goof bosshole look good!
May these criminals cross paths with an honest CCL carrier with great aim and God bless 2nd Amendment and NRA!
Da Pelon
This quoted story is a backfile simply brought forth because the 'press' has nothing else to present.
It is most relevant that wikileaks exposed the main stream media bullshit.
Stupid is as stupid does.
Speak of the miserable COPA devil. More job postings. This time for 15 "Major Case Specialists" and 60 asshole "Investigators." Imagine if this wasted money was used instead to teach the Beals and "the community" how to have more impulse control and behave around the police.
http://isba-jobs.careerwebsite.com/jobseeker/job/31362552/Major%20Case%20Specialist/Civilian%20Office%20of%20Police%20Accountability%20(COPA)/?str=1&max=25&sort=date_&long=1&vnet=0
http://isba-jobs.careerwebsite.com/jobseeker/job/31362325/Investigator%20%20COPA/Civilian%20Office%20of%20Police%20Accountability%20(COPA)/?str=1&max=25&sort=date_&long=1&vnet=0
A now retired cop once told me if you don't get out of the car you can't get hurt and you won't be getting sued or indicted.
"...It may seem wrong but it has saved lives..."
Lives worth saving?
Nothing like giving "dishonest media" more ways to go after police. The days of making "deals" with thugs and criminals are over. Unless of course your the mayor or aldermen of Chicago then you can violate federal laws, until President Trump sends his team of unbounded investigators in praying soon. To the officers please stop if the charges are not there, absolutely no creativity in thinking at all. Everything must be visible think cameras always watching you, today an absolute moron would do this type of police work. "See you at your fund raiser." Was it worth it?of course not, just do the job as required bet the "boss" said "get me a gun,I will take care of you!" "Hey boss I have a problem did what you wanted" "boss boss where are you?" Think of commander Evans his own command staff kicked him in the ass and let him sail away. Do you actually think as a working blue shirt they give a shit about you and your families? Please as a veteran officer I'm pleading with you youngsters to stop watching that shit show fantasy Chicago pd and trying to be like them, come back to reality sooner than later. Praying for a good outcome for these hard chargers!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
It may seem wrong but It has saved lives
11/19/2016 01:05:00 AM
Ah there's over 700 murders so I don't think so. I love these guys. Stop listening to the stories in the bar about "old school policing." I
know you're smarter then everyone else but it's just a matter of time before shit like this bites you in the ass. Oh I forgot Eddie Johnson has your back, Rahm has your back, all these Commanders have your back...hahaha! The Feds don't give a shit about a gun off the street and neither should you. Write it as it happens and you have nothing to worry about.
You mean no more "First gun goes home"?
This quoted story is a backfile simply brought forth because the 'press' has nothing else to present.
It is most relevant that wikileaks exposed the main stream media bullshit.
11/19/2016 02:18:00 AM
It's worse than that. It's a dump by the media showing police in a bad light. It's not just here, it's all over the country. It's no coincidence this story came out the same time as the Officer Rialmo story.
This is it for the Obama media.
Leave the deal making for the states attorney
Anonymous said...
It may seem wrong but It has saved lives
11/19/2016 01:05:00 AM
Hi, welcome to Walmart!!!! Start practicing.
Reminds me of what I saw in 015 in the 90's. Tried to explain to the newer coppers that doing this was illegal and for the most part the advice of an old timer fell upon deaf ears. You don't catch some goof with drugs, then be dumb enough to bring him in the station cuffed and play lets make a deal and then let him walk out in front of everybody. Retired now and honestly I am amazed at the stupidity of some of these so called police officers. Could care less anymore if these guys go to jail but thanks all you new hard charging types because you've made it hard for those of us who fought the fight for over 30 years to even tell people we are retired CPD.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Speak of the miserable COPA devil. More job postings. This time for 15 "Major Case Specialists" and 60 asshole "Investigators." Imagine if this wasted money was used instead to teach the Beals and "the community" how to have more impulse control and behave around the police.
http://isba-jobs.careerwebsite.com/jobseeker/job/31362552/Major%20Case%20Specialist/Civilian%20Office%20of%20Police%20Accountability%20(COPA)/?str=1&max=25&sort=date_&long=1&vnet=0
http://isba-jobs.careerwebsite.com/jobseeker/job/31362325/Investigator%20%20COPA/Civilian%20Office%20of%20Police%20Accountability%20(COPA)/?str=1&max=25&sort=date_&long=1&vnet=0
11/19/2016 05:47:00 AM
Wonder what these jobs pay
I once ran into a guy in 011 who said he could get us all kinds of shit for a little cash. Im talking full autos, hand grenades, Techs, all kindashit. Now reading this here you'd say that only a moron would believe a guy like this and of course I didnt but his presentation was so fucking smooth I could bet he's ripped off young coppers in 011 before with this act. That or talked his way out of getting pinched.
Never believe these assholes and never , ever trust them. They know how weak we are now and have nothing but contempt for us anyways so they arent above Lie'ing or jamming us up. Far from it. And just cause they can hardly read doesnt mean they are stupid. They will bullshit their way out of getting pinched in a heart beat. Dont EVER believe them.
I agree that releasing a criminal in exchange for a gun is wrong and should not be done. With that said, I don't see a problem with, and I doubt the vast majority of "non-criminal" citizens would have a problem with, officers offering to let them keep their vehicle (instead of an impound) in exchange for information on the whereabouts of an illegal firearm, or information used to obtain a search warrant on a stash house etc... Again, you'r'e still locking up the accused and charging him accordingly, but also using officer discretion (allowed by law) to not impound the vehicle.
More to the story, Never believe the Crooked Media and The ABC I-Team.
They get the 15 second hook to draw your attention, seems the media never changes.
Could it be a Turn-In gone wrong?
The days of a quick UUW have been long gone for a couple years now.
That's the biggest part of the problem.
Besides a DUI and an ISR, only a murder takes longer to completely investigate.
The City has made it easier for the thug, not the police.
Besides not wanting these folks in jail and giving them instant I-Bonds, why bother stopping anyone?
Why stick your neck out for some Merit Hack Supervisor ?
Guaranteed 1st and 16th.
The police are low hanging fruit giving the 24/7 dishonest media just more things to attack police on! The officers "what were you thinking?" Completely set-up hope it all works on! The old saying your hat is more than a hat rack applies!
At least these cops are trying to get illegal guns off the streets and not just surrendering the streets, only to appear after more people are shot and killed.
There is no place for making deals for freedom on the street, in this day and age. It makes no difference how may stats for guns "surrendered" or "turned-in" some boss wants. If a boss presses you for that kind of activity and you are in a specialized unit, put in a PAR go back to Patrol and sleep well at night. If you are in Patrol (like a TACT Team) and bosses pressure you, ignore them. Ask to go back on a watch and answer calls.
There is only one way to make deals with bad guys, and that is done on an official basis with the States Attorney's or the U.S. Attorney's Office. If you're not in a position to present the facts for cooperation to either prosecutorial office, don't do anymore than your job calls for. You will end up going to jail.
I agree that releasing a criminal in exchange for a gun is wrong and should not be done. With that said, I don't see a problem with, and I doubt the vast majority of "non-criminal" citizens would have a problem with, officers offering to let them keep their vehicle (instead of an impound) in exchange for information on the whereabouts of an illegal firearm, or information used to obtain a search warrant on a stash house etc... Again, you'r'e still locking up the accused and charging him accordingly, but also using officer discretion (allowed by law) to not impound the vehicle.
Discretion? Are you fucking soft? You are allowed discretion in a very limited number of traffic offenses where there might be a valid excuse for the transgression. An impound is a half-a-grand in fines, another $150+ in towing fees, plus the $10 bucks a day storage. Rahm isn't going to allow you that sort of "discretion" and the City Council didn't allow you that sort of "discretion" when they wrote the law.
I love reading these comments. everyone is quick to believe the media which deals in dishonesty in the first place. I am sure there is way more to the story then they are leading on. Why would a shit head that is a convicted felon make a video about himself buying a gun and stashing it for the cops?
All to please the boss. Stupid stat
Just so the brass can call a press conference with guns lined up on a table and say "look what we got " You think they care how the guns got there or what happens to the poor stupid gullible cops that got them?
Anonymous wit said...
"...It may seem wrong but it has saved lives..."
11/19/2016 01:05:00 AM
Mistuh Bandit said...
"Lives worth saving?"
11/19/2016 07:29:00 AM
>Tune from Jeopardy playing in the background<
"Wait dammit!
I'm still thinking!"
We got nothin'...
The real point is , it was never good policework and always a kidnapping for practical purposes. The reason in part there is a DOJ investigation is because some still defens these actions while manybmore defend it as a pastvpractice that was ok. #stupidand criminal
John Catanzara 008
It may seem wrong but It has saved lives
11/19/2016 01:05:00 AM
The end does not justify the means, especially when the means will get you charged/sued
The real point is , it was never good policework and always a kidnapping for practical purposes. The reason in part there is a DOJ investigation is because some still defens thes actions while manybmore defend it as a pastvpractice that was ok. #stupidand criminal
John Catanzara 008
John, thanks for chiming in. You of all people know how accusations can be and how they are handled. I personally do not know what actually happened, but isn't your post being hypocritical? You know how the media is and you know what you went through in the past.
A now retired cop once told me if you don't get out of the car you can't get hurt and you won't be getting sued or indicted.
11/19/2016 06:40:00 AM
....or respected. Tell your family, your wife and children that. Admit it to your friends.
"I am too much of a coward to do the job I am paid to do. I am a thief because I steal my paycheck every two weeks!"
I all for calming down and keeping me and my families assets safe, but I will not back down. I will not cower. That may be fine for you, but the rest of us have some honor and believe me, we know the difference between us.
This is a true story; my late partner and I were watching a corner known for selling stolen CTA bus transfers, this was more or less 25 years ago. We used binoculars and my partner says the guy isn't selling transfers. We arrested him for cocaine possession and he blurts out he cant go back to prison having just gotten out on a burglary sentence.
He offered to turn on a murder, not just any murder by the murder of a Federal Informant, more like an execution that took place inside the stairwell of a building outside of the public view.
The primary offender was a well known heroin/cocaine supplier to the BPSN/El Rukn gang.
We talked for quite a while about what to do with this guy as we had no way of verifying his story and had little faith in contacting OCD, Gangs, or the Area.
But we had the guy on possession and he wasn't walking out of the station to laugh or brag about bustn a lie to walk.
We told him to offer his story to the PD' in Br 25 and tell him to contact the Fed's. And he did, although he sat in CCJ while spilling his guts to the "G" it was all true. He turned over as a Fed witness and went into protection and testified leading to a conviction of the main man and his subordinates for Life in Fed' Pen, no parole as this was a punishable by death crime.
Our case against him went to trial and he came into the trial court escorted by US Marshall's and we testified just like he never cooperated, no deal was cut, he took time served.
We got our arrest, a conviction and the Fed's solved a major for them in addition to taking out the south of the border connection with a large seizure to boot.
No glory, no Honorable, no Commendation just satisfaction. Search Alexander "The Ghost" Cooper.
Flipping somebody should never be like a fish, catch and release, hold the catch in the system till he gives you something that's worth a conviction, not yours.
This was common, up until about the mid 90's.
I remember the roll call when Sarge informed us in no uncertain terms, "That shit aint acceptable anymore". Stop It!
Can't imagine anyone would still be doing that shit today.
I agree that releasing a criminal in exchange for a gun is wrong and should not be done. With that said, I don't see a problem with, and I doubt the vast majority of "non-criminal" citizens would have a problem with, officers offering to let them keep their vehicle (instead of an impound) in exchange for information on the whereabouts of an illegal firearm, or information used to obtain a search warrant on a stash house etc... Again, you'r'e still locking up the accused and charging him accordingly, but also using officer discretion (allowed by law) to not impound the vehicle.
Discretion? Are you fucking soft? You are allowed discretion in a very limited number of traffic offenses where there might be a valid excuse for the transgression. An impound is a half-a-grand in fines, another $150+ in towing fees, plus the $10 bucks a day storage. Rahm isn't going to allow you that sort of "discretion" and the City Council didn't allow you that sort of "discretion" when they wrote the law.
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Hey genius, there is no "law" about towing a car for a criminal offense other than for DUI. It is a city ordinance that says tow cars. So an officer not towing a car and using discretion for anything other than a DUI is not a violation of the ILCS. Unless you want to show me where it says "you cannot turn the insured vehicle of an arrestee over to a valid passenger with the arrestees permission".
Hey genius, there is no "law" about towing a car for a criminal offense other than for DUI. It is a city ordinance that says tow cars. So an officer not towing a car and using discretion for anything other than a DUI is not a violation of the ILCS. Unless you want to show me where it says "you cannot turn the insured vehicle of an arrestee over to a valid passenger with the arrestees permission".
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Hey "genius"
CPD tows cars for prostitution, guns, fireworks, loud music, suspended licenses and narcotics.
You cannot make "deals" on the street.
Makes no sense.
Guns don't kill people, people kill people.
Take one gun off the streets, fine, but put a criminal who would have no problem getting another gun and using it back on the streets?
Not good.
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