Buy Your Own?
- MISHAWAKA, Ind. (AP) — The northern Indiana city of Mishawaka has a new policy that allows police officers to wear body cameras if they purchase the equipment themselves.
The policy went into effect last week after the city and police department discussed the issue for a year to work out guidelines, including how to store and handle the recordings.
Patrolman Brian Long tells the South Bend Tribune he is wearing a body camera to give him peace of mind. He calls it a "good insurance policy." Long says the camera can gather evidence and is a way to establish trust with the community. He says it also is a safety net if officers need to prove they were correct.
Uniform division chief Jason Stefaniak says about 10 officers are wearing their own cameras and about a dozen others are considering buying them.
As an added bonus, you should be able to keep a copy for yourself and circulate around to Hollywood agents to see if you can get "discovered."
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posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
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I have three piles I put things in as a to-do list. The must do pile. The want to do pile and the fat chance pile. Buying my own body camera is at the bottom of my fat chance pile.
That is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.
How about let us record what we think is worth recording.
WHOOO!
The powers that be would NEVER go for letting
Chicago Police Officers have the option of buying
their own body cameras!
They will not risk losing control of the
"Police Are Bad, Racist, Uncaring" narrative.
Can you IMAGINE the eye-watering shit that will
get posted to the web?
Cue:
>The usual catered-to constituent screaming,
crying, flopping, falling-out and poop-flinging
at a typical summer post-shooting scene in Chicago<
"Chicago Cops Accused of Posting "Racist"
Body Camera Footage."
Wide-Head Ed says:
"I stripped the Officers involved for their own good."
Rahm The North Shore Shit-Ass says:
"That video does not reflect our Chicago Values."
Truckers and many others buy their own dash cams. Nothing new .
Hmmm...buying your own...This brings up several questions...Off the top of my head:
Who owns the video, you or the city?
Even if you own the video, is it subject to subpoena? (Apparently personal cellphones are).
Can you release the video to anyone you choose? The city? The media?
Do you get to select the videos that you release?
What are the retention requirements for personally-owned video? Can you keep them on your private server (Hello, Hillary), or must the city retain the videos?
There was a pretty good article on bodycams in the last National FOP newsletter. Since bodycams are here to stay, it suggests allowing officers to review footage from most jobs, and then write reports. It also suggests that officers NOT view footage from deadly force incidents, because your impressions, feelings, and perceptions are key to using deadly force.
rb
They'll get 8 hrs of nothing. 8 hours of my off-key singing to the radio.
So at the beginning of the press conference they say that CPD has engaged in a pattern or practice of violating civil rights, excessive force etc. Then about 15 minutes into it they say that the "vast majority of Chicago Police are hard working officers who are doing the right thing". Well which is it??? So they just lumped "the vast majority" and threw them under the bus. Real nice.
Idiots.
Stupid young officers are making copies on their cell phones and showing the video to their friends. Watch yourselves young people. You don't get to be a 20 plus officer by doing ridiculously stupid things like this.
Well let's all look at this.
With the system of purchasing your own cameras, do they stay on all the time from beginning of shift till end of your tour. Do they stay on during roll calls?
During administrative situations? Do the cameras remain on during disciplinary procedures?
Do the cameras remain rolling during supervisory confrontations with the camera wearing officer? Are supervisors and command staff wearing these devices and are they on during these budget and administrative meetings?
Are they on during conferences with states attorneys? Are the cameras on at crime scenes and during initial interviews with witnesses and suspects?
Does the owner/wearer of the camera maintain proprietary rights to all of the images and audio captured? Are discretional observations no longer up to the officer for enforcement or is everything an arrest?
Where were these answers?
Yeah; that's what I thought!
Dyla Hata
Fuck that why should I pay to get fired !
If I ever bought my own body camera, I would put it on the favorite part of my body.
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
I would think that the Illinois eavesdropping law ( passed to protect the political class) would prohibit private purchased body cameras which capture voice.
We should be able to wear are own or get a down load after every shift for our own protection.
Actually it sounds like a good idea.
City buys the first unit, just like the little flashlights!
I wish I had worn a body cam every time I was called into the WC's office. It would catch her fat ass stuffing her face and strolling the internet in search of deals. It would also catch her mad mouthing the commander and while catching her breath between shoving mouthfuls of junk food into it, complain about other supervisors and why she was dumped to 007. Boo woo. Sign me, happily retired.
Yeah, that's how it started at my agency. Someone thought it was a good idea to spend his own money to buy some low-res body cam, a couple other people followed suit then admin jumped on board and decided everyone would have body cams in the future.
It's going to be just like the in-car cameras. Massive storage and retention problems, takes hours to upload at the end of the the shift. District Attorney's office is mostly unaware of the existence of the footage for criminal cases and the department won't give them access to it. So someone else has to be assigned to burn a DVD when the DA wants it, which takes another couple hours...
All body cams will do for us is ensure less police work is done. I don't want a body cam. I have nothing to hide, but I'm tired of being encumbered by technology supposedly used to make my job "safer" or "better" than only makes it more tedious and examines me more than it provides any law enforcement enhancement. On the plus side, it will make a report a lot shorter. Don't want to get hit with "lying" so all the report will say is "see body cam footage."
Video is only acceptable when recorded on a "sail foam" by a perpetrator or a bystander. Video taken by professional Police Officers is ready to be edited and shredded by a professional media.
Stay safe Officers.
J.J.
Cops tasked with buying their own cameras is a stupid idea wrought with pitfalls of doom. A cop WILL be sued at some point for their nefarious use of footage by a person making a 4th amendment claim - and ALL Officers will be slammed as a result. That is a bad bad bad idea all around. Democrats will be sure to push hard for it then! Foolishness.
While cameras do offer the possibility of aiding an officer in a situation, and the benefit grows the more officers are present, a simple malfunction an officer cannot control becomes some kind of proof of officer guilt when they are alone. That dog can't hunt.
The biggest troublespot outside that aspect is the images caught and who can access them. Officers recordings are for public view right? Wait. Each home an officer answers a call for help from a woman being beaten is then open for criminals to view the floorplan of a home they now know a woman resides there alone? Possessions targeted and their locations mapped out prior to forced entry? Sheesh, it is clear that many many many people have not thought through the camera thing. It occurs to me that nothing can demonstrate that reality more than someone thinking cops buying their own would be a good idea.
I am hard on cops, harder on politicians and hardest on the IDIOTS cops have to put up with daily. Cameras need a LOT more discussion. LOTS more.
Mishawaka pay is $54k after 3 years with promotion to Cpl', uniform allowance $2k a year, take home car, mandatory 6% contribution to state retirement fund, health insurance available.
Buy your own camera ? Keep your own recordings subject to subpoena by any court and probably pay to represent yourself. Risky at best.
And by the way Indiana just raised gas tax by 10 cents a gallon which will only provide half the money needed for infrastructure improvements, while they cut income taxes that will save a $50k earner $35 bucks a year.
New order coming out on cellphones. The Department will require your cellphone numbers for work purposes. Anyone caught using a non-registered cell phone will be spared.
I'll buy one for Dean so that he can wear it all the time doing police union business, before he becomes a full time professor (Your fired).
Maybe they can develop a new type of COPS series, in a cinema verite style.
Also cheaper, as you don't have to hire a cameraman to shoot all the footage.
Mishawaka, Indiana? Sounds more like a place to go buy Amish furniture. Hoosier mama. Screw Rahm on the way home by purchasing water, gas and smokes.
There is a NUTJOB Aviation Officer at O'Hare that has been wearing his own for awhile now. Gee I wonder why they aren't armed?
Questions regarding cell phones
Retired Det.
Know that cell phones are technically forbidden unless specifically authorized. But widely allowed for convenience. Can make things work easier. But with recent legal decisions take that off the table.
Is a cell phone accepted as a primary contact? Is a hard land-line required? Heard that recruits are required to have land line phone. True?
Today my cellphone would be left in locker. Make the City either issue a on-duty use only or redeploy the call boxes.
Let's set aside discussion of:
* Camera cost
* Battery Cost
* Charger Cost
* Maintenance Cost
* Replacement Cost
for a minute and consider that sometimes the view recorded by the camera can make you look bad, and give a Jury cause to convict YOU.
Example:
- Drunk/stoned/whatever jagoff running down the street in Arizona with a rifle. Looks like he could be Laquan, but instead of a knife - he's got a rifle.
- Cops are following him, telling him to drop it. Jagoff ignores them, and pops off a few shots here and there.
- Jagoff is coming up on some civilians, so another cop in a vehicle drives up fast and runs over jagoff - smashing jagoff into a brick wall.
- Threat stopped.
Video 1 shows what the CONTEXT for Video 2 was. After Video 2 was seen - the usual suspects started to lose their minds. Then they saw Video 1 - no marching, no burning, no rioting...
If Video 1 hadn't been available, you know what the outcome would be. Even if Video 1 had been recorded, and something was wrong with that body cam, the file was corrupted, dead battery, lens obscured... the officer taping Video 2 would be fucked.
Yeah, I get that good and bad civilians are recording "everything", even businesses are - but there's automatic doubt in those videos. Not so much with the Coppers body cam...
Me? I'd refuse to use that crap...let alone pay for it. Stop giving people legal ammo against you.
New order coming out on cellphones. The Department will require your cellphone numbers for work purposes. Anyone caught using a non-registered cell phone will be spared.
1/14/2017 12:37:00 PM
Yeah, ok
Who will get the developing contract for the cameras....fotomat???
I hate to say it, but somehow, someway, the ACLU will spin personal purchase body cameras against the guy/gal using it, and the Department will happily go along with them.
Anonymous said...
Maybe they can develop a new type of COPS series, in a cinema verite style.
Also cheaper, as you don't have to hire a cameraman to shoot all the footage.
1/14/2017 01:43:00 PM
Like Live-PD?
Can some experts here make recommendations for practical body cameras us civilians can use to document crime, threats. I'd like something that goes around the neck, isn't conspicuous and allows us to keep our hands free for defense.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Questions regarding cell phones
Retired Det.
Know that cell phones are technically forbidden unless specifically authorized. But widely allowed for convenience. Can make things work easier. But with recent legal decisions take that off the table.
Is a cell phone accepted as a primary contact? Is a hard land-line required? Heard that recruits are required to have land line phone. True?
Today my cellphone would be left in locker. Make the City either issue a on-duty use only or redeploy the call boxes.
1/14/2017 09:24:00 PM
I was involved is an incident way back in 2007 and my cell phone records were used, and I was told during duty hours whatever I do can be looked into by the employer from that day forward no using cell phone for any police business made notifications in person,in the station or if hospital was close in the police room!
New order coming out on cellphones. The Department will require your cellphone numbers for work purposes. Anyone caught using a non-registered cell phone will be spared.
Fuck them unless they pay for my mobile phone service and a new I phone
Over 100K cpd body camera videos unmatched to the event number. And that number grows everyday.
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