Wednesday, January 11, 2017

Don't Fall for Retro

You younger kids don't remember the Newsletters that used to come out around Contract time, where Bill Nolan would close every single article with "...and enjoy your retro pay," as if that was the sole factor in determining how we'd vote on a contract.

In many cases, however, he was correct. Coppers looked at the short term money that the City had held hostage (without interest we might add), and disregarded serious issues that had real long-term consequences on seniority, discipline, or bidding rights. Cops finally started to wake up around 1997 or so and the Contract that Nolan presented to the members went down in a spectacular ball of flaming wreckage that also also led to the entire eviction of the Nolan ticket (including Dean Angelo).

We're coming up to another negotiating year and you young kids are going to hear a lot of things. Here's your chance to prove you're smarter than all of us dinosaurs were back in the day:
  • Don't be distracted by the "promise" of a retro check
Don't sweat the money issue. We'd suggest that the FOP ignore it, too. In fact, we'd go so far as to recommend that the FOP demand no more and no less than what Rahm awarded his inner circle in terms of percentage raises, and then walk away from that issue (Reminder - it was double digits).

Instead, concentrate on the following:
  • Round up the Baby Furlo Day to a full day
  • Round up the vacation time to full days, not hours;
  • Lower the time to hit maximum pay via compression - every other city maxes out at 20 years;
  • Restore Duty Availability to the kids - you got fucked last Contract;
  • If anyone says "More cars," throw them out of the FOP;
  • Refuse to negotiate disciplinary changes;
  • Reduce "merit" percentages
In fact, demand "transparency" from the City. For too long, everyone has to be "transparent" except the City. Screw that and screw them:
  • Post the "merit" picks;
  • post their sponsor;
  • post the entire promotional list in rank order so that everyone can see exactly how many spots the connected jumped up (justify that one);
  • post a real and attainable set of targets that cops can actually strive for in order to be Merit.
We'd also like to see how sergeants who had to be assisted over the finish line ("merit") a few short years ago suddenly manage to score #1, #2 and #3 on the current Lieutenants list, but since that crosses different Union lines, we'll probably never see that unless it reaches a Federal courtroom. Right Special Ed?

Anyway, the big issue is going to be reducing your Rights and protections under the contract. Money should take a back seat to all of this. Numerous bad actors are claiming that the Contract is "racist" somehow and protects bad cops. We aren't exactly sure how. A document that protects the Rights of coppers of all colors, creeds and orientations is nothing that needs alteration.

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158 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Shouldn't health care be right at the top also?

1/11/2017 12:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We tried compression and we lost the 30 year step increase, pay attention. In 2007 if you had 30 years you made more that the guy with 29.5 years. They eliminated a raise and called it compression.
Smarten up.

1/11/2017 12:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about making a push to get rid of furlough by watch!!!!!! That should rank close to the top!!!

1/11/2017 12:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We'd also like to see how sergeants who had to be assisted over the finish line ("merit") a few short years ago suddenly manage to score #1, #2 and #3 on the current Lieutenants list.

They were so stupid they couldn't even answer a few questions wrong on purpose!

1/11/2017 12:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Some old fuck somewhere is thinking... I would sell out a PPO for a retro check, I gotta get my pipes fixed on a house I am under water in.... Fucking dumb ass

1/11/2017 12:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about residency???

1/11/2017 12:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't be a fucking idiot , that RETRO check , taxed heavily , may be the last paycheck you receive if you fail to walk the ever thinning line drawn by our sworn enemies . Delaying the contract by 2 years is a tactic used by the city to generate intrest from the unpaid money and pressure on the rank and file to settle for less .

1/11/2017 12:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The retro will be there when it's all said and done. Listen to SCC.


SCC, will you please run for FOP president? If you're worried about your identity, wear makeup like the band Kiss did. Wear the darkened helmets like the Daft Punk guys do (I honestly have no idea if they're musicians, dj's, or what!), get a Lone Ranger mask or Batman cowl...just RUN!!!

1/11/2017 12:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your right SCC....screw the retro we can wait for it. It will come in time. This will be the most important contract ever! We should be getting a real raise this time just like the Mayors people got. Waiting for the 25th year for our last raise is BS! How about 15th year? How about lowering the max out from 29 years down to 25-26 years? The mayor can make it happen if he wants. More vacation days, P-days etc. How about the 10Hr day for everyone? Only the 005th district isn't fair. How about lift residency once you have 10-15 or 20 years on? Ask for the world FOP. What do you have to lose? Let It go to arbitration. don't let it effect your ego. Put it all on the table so the arbitrator can rule on it.

1/11/2017 12:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey let's talk about the important stuff...how are plans going for the fishing tournament and picnic. Stay focused people.

Vote out the senior citizens.

1/11/2017 12:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

At least there's a chance we will get one this time.

1/11/2017 12:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

LISTEN SCC AND LISTEN GOOD! Forcing shame on merit promotions will only resort to 1 thing. They will begin messing with all the test scores as they did before (in my day). Merit saved a lot of coppers and gave chance for a lot to actually be promoted. Don't be naive, some of the supervisors were already given test answers but wipe out merit and the number will increase Drastically!

1/11/2017 12:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We should stop receiving healthcare from the City. We have enough active members of FOP (including dependents and retirees), that we should be providing health care for all our members to ourselves. The last contact I asked the FOP rep that that attended roll call about provided our own healthcare and he said it illegal under City law (bulls***). Let us provide our own healthcare, and remove the City. The City receives a rebate every year from the healthcare providers, but instead of cutting costs to members, the City places it into the general fund. I would like to know how much the City puts back into the general fund instead of spending that money on the members of CPD to reduce our healthcare cost. Everyone who retires should have free health care for life. We might have to pay more every check, but we will all be there some day. We had free healthcare in the mid 80’s for retires, but negotiated it away for a better raise for active members. We cannot make that same again with what the City wants to do with discipline. If the City had its way it will be like pre-1981 again.

1/11/2017 12:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

But watch out for in your ear.

1/11/2017 12:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry all those things make too much sense. Won't happen in this department. Business as usual

1/11/2017 01:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let's add: being able to retire with healthcare at ANY age once you're maxed at 29+ a day. I came on at 21 and sure the fuck don't want to wait til 55 for the insurance (assuming that's even still on the table at that time). Hell, I'll give them 1/2% a year on top of whatever percent it'll cost me for insurance. I want off this fucked up ride after giving more than half my life to this place. Should be an easy thing to add to the negotiating wishlist and convince the city to agree to seeing that they're hiring 1,000 new officers. Right? Riiggghhhhttttt?????

1/11/2017 01:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Vote no!

Demand that pension pay out be based on the last year worked in grade, PERIOD!!! Not averaged out of the last 4 years out of the last 10 years. There is no reason to average your pay over the last for years you worked. If you are anything above D-1 your pension pay out will be based on your current salaried position until you make Sgt and then you are in a different union. Let the Sgt and Lt union demand pension based on last year worked, not your worry. I believe this one issue would coalesce cops into a voting block that all can agree on since the pension pay out affects everyone.

Donahue screwed all the cops when he let Shortshanks off the hook for $20 million in return for 29 years and a day, with no chance of ever seeing 80% pension like other city and state workers.

1/11/2017 01:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well stated, SCC. Another point to mention is that our FOP did not demand that the city pay its share of the pension obligation. The phrase "pension holiday" was an innocuous term that Nolan and company used to lull us into taking a 5% raise with retro pay instead of sounding the alarm that the pension was in jeapordy. All members of FOP, active & retired, need to hold Deano's feet to the fire or better yet, vote him out of office. This is our sink or swim moment vis a vis Rahm and the Aldercreatures.
Anyone notice how Deano is trying to lure retirees back to FOP despite not paying retiree's dues? He's desperate even though he's been mute when it comes to criticizing Rahm.

Retired .38 spl +P

1/11/2017 01:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SCC, we need a (another) post discussing residency.

I have 7 years to go before I hang it up but I'm pro-residency. If you want to live in the city then live in the city, if you don't need want to you should have the choice to not have to live here. That's how it is in the majority of departments around the country. This is America for Christs sake, we should be able to live where we want.

This kind of issue drives coppers apart mostly because of falling home property value. It was the same argument Philly coppers had in 2012.

1/11/2017 02:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Money blinds a lot of Cops when the concept of "back pay" comes up. Please set aside U'r myopic lenses and familiarize yourselves with how these contract negotiations actually work. Policing is changing so drastically that the POs with less then 5 should consider a more prudent option for Law Enforcement.
It's been said before and when I was in my twenties I wouldn't let my thick skull absorb this. This job is most certainly not the job it once was. Remember around the Ten year mark U may be married with children. The Department will have U in an indentured position by then meaning U will belong to an Employer that single handedly will own U and yours till retirement which is too long of a sentence under the scrutiny police will be forced to endure.
When the order came out about dropping a dime on Ur Partner going forward that's not a joke. We all have seen coppers that will do anything to get on the good side of a person wearing white. Don't swing at a pitch in the dirt. The City loves to throw curve balls. Sit back, wait, and don't fall for money already owed to U. Wait on that City Curve and make The City finally pay. From 2002 on The City has owned Us contractually. Please, Coppers, come together like listening to US99 after U'r first divorce. Be like Kenny during this contract by being that Hillbilly Rockstar that's out of control

1/11/2017 02:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

FOP must ask for ALL accumulated comp. time to be paid to officers that are terminated, not just the hours over 170 accumulated in a 28 day period. FOP was negligent in their agreement with the City on this matter.. My time was earned, not given. Therefore it is mine; terminated or not. In this current witch hunt, the possibility of being terminated is very high, as is the risk of losing a huge chunk of your comp. time. FOP, right this wrong!!! Get the City to agree to this in the upcoming contract. I encourage every PO to call the FOP and demand this change. The potential financial loss on this alone is huge. I will continue to harp on this matter until the language in the contract states what I've just requested.

1/11/2017 03:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A detective came around last contract trying to push us towards voting yes for the contract and I brought up the issue of contraction. His response was "we got compression last contract." I told him that not only were people previously not going to stay for 34 years to max out the last step raise for the pension, but nobody wants to stay 29 years to max out the last step raise at 25 years. Obviously there was no response from him regarding the lodge putting forth any effort to achieve this benefit. His lack of response gave the impression that the lodge never even attempted to achieve anything related to the subject. Which departments besides cpd hit their last step raise at 25 years? It was my understanding that most were topped out by 18-20 years.

1/11/2017 03:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well said SCC!

1/11/2017 03:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about making a push to get rid of furlough by watch!!!!!! That should rank close to the top!!!
1/11/2017 12:18:00 AM

No.

Now fuck off

1/11/2017 05:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

For the younger coppers like myself, whiat retro are we owed?

1/11/2017 05:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Any bullshit they want or propose? FOP response? "Lift residency"!

1/11/2017 05:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Delaying the contract by 2 years is a tactic used by the city to generate interest from the unpaid money and pressure on the rank and file to settle for less .

SCC: PLEASE, PLEASE REPOST THIS AND TELL EVERYONE TO READ IT AND PASS IT ALONG TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW!!!!!! That retro check might look sweet, but its money that you have already earned and owed to you. The contract should be settled BEFORE the current one expires. If the FOP were actually doing their job, there would be no need for a retro check.

1/11/2017 05:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We got nothing for the 15% day off guarantee, let's not let that happen again.

1/11/2017 06:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

1/11/2017 12:17:00 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
We tried compression and we lost the 30 year step increase, pay attention. In 2007 if you had 30 years you made more that the guy with 29.5 years. They eliminated a raise and called it compression.
Smarten up.

1/11/2017 12:18:00 AM

Lighten up Francine! What the hell are you talking about? So we shouldn't try to bring it down even lower cause you're retired and had to do the 30 years? We shouldn't try to get a better deal? 25 years for our final raise is absolutely ridiculous. Hope you're not negotiating our contract. The mayor would love you. Are you still pissed that women can vote too?

1/11/2017 06:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about making a push to get rid of furlough by watch!!!!!! That should rank close to the top!!!

1/11/2017 12:18:00 AM

And why the hell would I be picking with a goof on days when i'm on afternoons???

1/11/2017 06:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

post a real and attainable set of targets that cops can actually strive for in order to be Merit.



That is easy. Just ask an Alderman. (Make sure no one is wearing a wire tho.)

1/11/2017 06:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Fop can foia merit picks. You don't negotiate for them. If the city gives you anything you ask for then they expect something in return. Asking for them to show merit picks as a negotiated item is moronic. If people weren't lazy they would go to 35th and take 10 minutes to files the foia. Remember, if it is bargained for then they want something in return. Is anything worth giving up because you want them to release merit picks?? Just shows how out of touch people really are. Also it's not the young guys. You have to worry about selling their soul for retro and pay raises. It's the old guys who have 5 years or less. On. They are leaving and would sell their souls for a penny more if they could. They aren't sticking around anymore so why should they. Care about anything else except money. Think scc....

1/11/2017 06:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

LISTEN SCC AND LISTEN GOOD! Forcing shame on merit promotions will only resort to 1 thing. They will begin messing with all the test scores as they did before (in my day). Merit saved a lot of coppers and gave chance for a lot to actually be promoted. Don't be naive, some of the supervisors were already given test answers but wipe out merit and the number will increase Drastically!

1/11/2017 12:46:00 AM

Surly this was written by a Merit guy. Remember, really remember that there was a whole group walking around with the answers to the Sergeants test. It was really out of control this time. Copies of tests were recovered from these "noble" half wits when they threw them away.

1/11/2017 06:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You can trust Rahm to do the right thing.................for RAHM. He is taking care of the Medicare pensioners and their widows.

1/11/2017 06:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the Younger Officers Out there: SCC posted some very important and significant ideas. Don't worry about the money. You will always be offered Special, Side jobs, investments, etc. With low inflation, concentrate on the issues SCC raised. Those issues will be with you every day you put on the uniform.

1/11/2017 06:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Comp time if fired should be paid! Not stolen by the city!!!!!! The city is using it as leverage to force some to retire vs. stand up to the city.

1/11/2017 06:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

love Furlough by watch.

1/11/2017 07:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We do max at 25 years there is no more steP at 30. sounds to me you have the same time as me on the job. When we started we had to 3r years because of the last step..I'm that detective

1/11/2017 07:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A well known negotiation tactic is the usage of time.After time,the retro check amount builds.The mayor,who has the final say on wages already knows what he will give on that.They will wear you out with time used as a stick and dangle the carrot in front of you.The wife of one of a city employee mentioned that she was hoping that the contract would be settled soon because the family needed a new refrigerator and a new couch and bathroom upgrade.When I heard that,I realized that that was possibly the other stick.While the employee was waiting for the contract to be settled,so was the significant other.Money does strange things to people.It is what negotiations are really about.If the city let you leave without any raise at all,the amount that would be saved by leaving would probably exceed any pay raise.

1/11/2017 07:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe you guys will vote for shiny new cars again!

1/11/2017 07:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We should absolutely look at disciplary changes, this goof if firing every copper he can. If we had a progressive discipline policy that would change the whole game and we would control the dept. Not the superintendent, IPRA or the Mayor.

1/11/2017 07:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Guys will still jump at the retro check and disregard everything else. The same guys will be the ones beefing about the contract while denying that they voted fot it. I was always amazed by that. After a contract passed, nobody voted for it.

1/11/2017 07:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We tried compression and we lost the 30 year step increase, pay attention. In 2007 if you had 30 years you made more that the guy with 29.5 years. They eliminated a raise and called it compression.
Smarten up.

Try it again. If your here 30 years your a BIG fool.

1/11/2017 07:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If anyone says "More cars," throw them out of the FOP;

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We should be guaranteed a car for movie details.

The pay has just gone up for the details however we cannot get a car in many districts like 014 and are told to go pound sand by the commander.

1/11/2017 07:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Costs us a half hour to make a BFD a full tour of duty and costs us 13 hours to make Furlough a full 25 days. That is 13.5 hours total...what does that equal in dollars? What does that equate to (percentage) wise? I never understood the guys in roll call crying about the BFD and the extra half hour, when they should be crying about FOP trying to get a 4 or 5 percent raise. Big picture people (folks), big picture.

1/11/2017 07:44:00 AM  
Blogger Mr. SouthSide said...

Deano will do what's best for Deano.

1/11/2017 07:54:00 AM  
Blogger john said...

One other suggestion " Do not forgive the city on making their mandated pension contribution"- remember when that happened- all for the chump change of retro promises.

old retired guy

1/11/2017 07:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Retro is nothing more then a bribe - that being said this is chicago and well.... you see............

1/11/2017 07:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Same old shit. Everyone talks a good game, has great ideas how to 'fix' everything that's wrong with the department/contract, but when it all gets down to the very end, the city runs the show, and finalizes the contract their way, and there's not a fucking thing you or anyone can do about it. What a joke. The city is the devil.

1/11/2017 08:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How cost of living is figured out needs to change. Is the membership aware that cost of living is figured out based upon a region and the same region Chicago encompasses also includes the states of Michigan, Wisconsin and Indiana. It's not a true Chicago cost of living figure.

1/11/2017 08:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does anybody know that when a cop retires at 55 and insurance goes to 2% after June/17 if it's guaranteed at 2% until age 63/Medicare like the free health insurance is now????????????

1/11/2017 08:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We will see, doj report will be out on friday.

1/11/2017 08:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Furlough by watch has to go, screws everyone with 10-18 years on.

1/11/2017 08:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As always, well said SCC. I just wish that you were involved with department and contract negotiations. (The fact that you expose a lot of dirt on the blog already helps). Thank you!

1/11/2017 08:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

With a Conservative Estimate being 20% to 30% of new hires coming from outside of the City, in some cases outside of the country; the issue of Residency must be considered an item, that if you will recall, was something Rahm teased us with when he first ran. Or, some special consideration for admission to the Elite public schools, that politicians use their clout to get their kids into. If you have kids and comply with the Residency Requirement, you are going to take a $12,000 a year hit when the kids reach high school. Now I realize that those of you living in Garcia Ridge and the Republic of Mt. Greenwood figure that there will be an Exodus from the city and your property will take a hit, if the Residency is ended. But then again, there is probably someone in a Third World Shithole, dreaming of wading in that plastic pool, in your concrete yard. So your house is marketable! Fu&k Rahm Baby"G"

1/11/2017 08:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anyway, the big issue is going to be reducing your Rights and protections under the contract. Money should take a back seat to all of this.

Reducing police officers rights is a leftist BLM Democratic agenda and not recognized by the mainstream police departments in the rest of the country. To even consider altering police officers rights is a huge mistake because you're buying into their bullshit. Money and the cost to live in this city should our number 1 priority and increased protections for police officers should be our second priority.

1/11/2017 08:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Posting of merit picks was brought up at a meeting sometime in the spring and it did not seem to get a good reception for some reason, both from the board and those in attendance. Board stating something along the lines that the city will just not provide the list to the lodge. The PO that brought it up was just asking to have the rank order list which is provided to the lodge to be posted on the secure side of the website. He wanted it done for every tested PO position (ET,marine, bomb and arson, detective, Sgt., etc) Lt and above would not be included because they are not POs taking the test they are sgts. This way when classes are put in you can see who made it off their score. Local 2 provides this information to its members so should we.

1/11/2017 08:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

personal opinion: no retires should run for office plain and simple. look what we have now. angelo has no clue what a beat officer has to content with in today's environment When was the last time he actually worked a beat car? no retires should be able to vote on a contract. the contract should be for working police officers. there is a organization for retiree's already in place, it is called the Chicago Police Retirement Association. this organization should be recognized by the city as a bargaining unit for all retiree's benefits.

1/11/2017 08:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well stated, SCC. Another point to mention is that our FOP did not demand that the city pay its share of the pension obligation. The phrase "pension holiday" was an innocuous term that Nolan and company used to lull us into taking a 5% raise with retro pay instead of sounding the alarm that the pension was in jeapordy. All members of FOP, active & retired, need to hold Deano's feet to the fire or better yet, vote him out of office. This is our sink or swim moment vis a vis Rahm and the Aldercreatures.

The city never took a pension Holiday with the police pension fund. They just ignored the actuarials recommendation for the past 30 years and contributed the state mandated minium, $2 for every $1 we contribute. In 2011 there was a huge push to get our pension funded properly and the FOP was successful in getting legislation passed that forced the city to comply with the acturials prescribed increase that would have put our pension fund at 90% funded by the year 2040. The city has been trying to introduce legislation since this bill became law to defeat it and kick the can further down the road. Well Dean Angelo helped the city pass SB777 which negated all of the previous legislation the FOP fought for and with the new legislation our pension fund will be 34% funded in the year 2040 and will not be 90% funded until 2060 or 2065 that will cost taxpayers an additional 20 BILLION Dollars. . We had the city where we wanted them, forcing them to pay their pension obligations and you let them off the hook. Way to go Dean, you're a friggin idiot

1/11/2017 08:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

02:41:00 AM well said, I'm at just about 15 years and feel trapped here, too young to retire and too to switch professions. Fuck the money, what good will it do when we're sitting in a "No pay" status just because some politicians wants to prove a point. We need to stick together on this one.

1/11/2017 08:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

We should stop receiving healthcare from the City. We have enough active members of FOP (including dependents and retirees), that we should be providing health care for all our members to ourselves.

The only way this would work is if the city paid us what they claim they are paying for our health benefits now. In either Pittsburgh or Philly, about 20 years ago the city said they needed a larger contribution from the members for healthcare because healthcare cost were increasing by double digits. The union said ok if you give us the $5K per member you are claiming to pay now we will relieve you of your healthcare obligation and just require a 1% increase each year. The city agreed and the union now provides one of the best healthcare plans in the country, retirees included. The key is the city needs to make the payment for the benefit for every officer to the union and this will never happen because it would eliminate hundreds of patronage jobs at city hall.

1/11/2017 09:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Residency!!!

1/11/2017 09:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Number 1 on the list should be RESIDENCY... I really don't care about working in this crap hole, but raising my family in it, forget about it. I could care less how much people whine about the issue, no one told you to buy a house somewhere you couldn't afford to live at. If you lose out you lose out... With all the attacks on LE lately, if the FLOP plays its cards right we just might win it this time. It has been overturned on federal court many times before. Hell I'd give up retro and a change to our medical system in a heart beat for that trade off, most po's abuse the medical system anyway!

1/11/2017 09:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

FOP must ask for ALL accumulated comp. time to be paid to officers that are terminated, not just the hours over 170 accumulated in a 28 day period. FOP was negligent in their agreement with the City on this matter.. My time was earned, not given. Therefore it is mine; terminated or not. In this current witch hunt, the possibility of being terminated is very high, as is the risk of losing a huge chunk of your comp. time. FOP, right this wrong!!! Get the City to agree to this in the upcoming contract. I encourage every PO to call the FOP and demand this change. The potential financial loss on this alone is huge. I will continue to harp on this matter until the language in the contract states what I've just requested.
1/11/2017 03:13:00 AM

I know what you mean. I had a case in front of the board along with my 800hrs comp time. I was lucky back then. Today, forget it. I don't know what the logic is to not be able to sell your hours if your fired.

1/11/2017 09:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about making a push to get rid of furlough by watch!!!!!! That should rank close to the top!!!
1/11/2017 12:18:00 AM

How about you go to midnights instead of days and you'll get a better furlough.

1/11/2017 09:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Reducing merit is absolutely necessary and will go a long way to eliminating some of the unqualified bosses that lead to sooo many of our departments problems. 30% merit for sergeants is insanity. Merit serves a purpose if used properly for guys that actually accomplished things but maybe don't test well. Guys can still know the job and be good leaders but keep it to 10% or compromise to 15%

1/11/2017 09:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The pension needs to be fully funded, and health care must be priority for active and retired coppers! The residency don't waste your time FOP it is not happening,and any copper that is willing to give up anything earned really should not be talking, everything we have was earned, and to lose anything is atrocious.

With the new FOP election approaching vote with you head not your ass, also so many ballots are not even returned if your that lazy that you cannot put some simple marks on the ballot and send it back via the usps paid envelope don't even complain your part of the problem!

1/11/2017 09:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

0% pay raise for the next 4 years but they have to lift the residency!

1/11/2017 09:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The earlier they allow people to mad out, the younger people will be when collecting their pension and the quicker it goes belly up.

1/11/2017 09:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

1247am....right on.

1/11/2017 09:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Meanwhile nobody is talking about Tuition reimbursement...they are also attacking that....If you young guys were smart and have no degree, I would go back to school on the cities dime, do the two extra years for payback and use your CPD experience and degree and leave!

1/11/2017 10:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So what your saying is that the 'Retro' wasn't worth the price we had to pay for the insurance. An old quot "It's only $2."

1/11/2017 10:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

A detective came around last contract trying to push us towards voting yes for the contract and I brought up the issue of contraction. His response was "we got compression last contract." I told him that not only were people previously not going to stay for 34 years to max out the last step raise for the pension, but nobody wants to stay 29 years to max out the last step raise at 25 years. Obviously there was no response from him regarding the lodge putting forth any effort to achieve this benefit. His lack of response gave the impression that the lodge never even attempted to achieve anything related to the subject. Which departments besides cpd hit their last step raise at 25 years? It was my understanding that most were topped out by 18-20 years.

1/11/2017 03:43:00 AM
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Dean Angelo has stated that he will negotiate the contract without us PO's knowing what he is asking for.

Dean Angelo will have to negotiate a new professorship after this election.

1/11/2017 10:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
SCC, we need a (another) post discussing residency.

I have 7 years to go before I hang it up but I'm pro-residency. If you want to live in the city then live in the city, if you don't need want to you should have the choice to not have to live here. That's how it is in the majority of departments around the country. This is America for Christs sake, we should be able to live where we want.

This kind of issue drives coppers apart mostly because of falling home property value. It was the same argument Philly coppers had in 2012.

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Residency rules are part of the Chicago Municipal Code section 2-152-340.
These apply to ALL city employee's.
These have been upheld under numerous cases by the State Supreme Ct.
You are never going to get this change.
Accept it and move on.

1/11/2017 02:40:00 AM

1/11/2017 10:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We tried compression and we lost the 30 year step increase, pay attention. In 2007 if you had 30 years you made more that the guy with 29.5 years. They eliminated a raise and called it compression.
Smarten up.
1/11/2017 12:18:00 AM
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

This is true

1/11/2017 10:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Be aware that all those "community activists" including Flaker will want to have imput into our contract.
Wise up boys and girls and start going to meetings
Be informed
AND BE SURE TO VOTE ON THE NEXT FOP BOARD = F the Angelo team!

1/11/2017 10:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And the FOP is useless when it comes to fighting things like residency and challenging why we have to register ALL guns we own when the average citizen in Chicago is no longer required to do this. It's totally understandable to register guns that an officer will be carrying on and off duty, but hunting, sporting, and collectible guns are really none of the department's business. This would be easy to challenge but the FOP does nothing. Residency would be worth the challenge too, but most of the FOP hierarchy are simply worried about the value of their own homes instead of what most of the rank and file want. Every major city except Chicago has dumped the residency. The FOP could try to come up with some type of compromise regarding residency but they simply won't do it. There should be a rule in place that after 10 or 15 years on the job, an officer can have the option to move out of Chicago. And also give new officers at least 6 or 12 months to get in instead of this 2 week bullshit. I will say that the current FOP staff has really projected that they are useless. Hopefully something changes for the better when the next election comes around, because we need FOP leadership in the anti-police climate of Chicago.

1/11/2017 10:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Merit should be no more then 5%. It has been a major factor in the downfall of quality leadership in this department.

1/11/2017 10:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who cares about the fast money. 25 years and out, health care for retirees no questions asked.

1/11/2017 10:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Keep residency and 29 and a day. Work on medical for retires. We will all fall into that catagory some day.

1/11/2017 10:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree with this post. I believe no one wants to stay until twenty nine years. Twenty five should be the limit. The City's goal is make sure you collect fewer pension checks and die. A lot of cities its 20 and out. Staying on any longer burns you out.

1/11/2017 12:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about a tax break for living in the city , city sticker 50%, we could win this in court but union has said "you know how much that would take to play out in court ". ? They work for us ! We make the decisions in what we want not them ! They can be replaced. Have a professional do our contract !

1/11/2017 12:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Part time options

Paternal leave

1/11/2017 12:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes! And we ought to demand more tactical training as well, such as a two day course in tactical rifle training for example.

1/11/2017 01:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

On the issue of residency.

Don't ask the FOP to negotiate with the City over this matter. Let's not negotiate on what we believe is unconstitutional. If it bothers you enough, hire your own attorney to sue the State and City for violating your constitutional right. Send the matter to the U. S. Supreme Court. Start your own push for this. Can you get several POs in your district to financially commit to this cause? Have them reach deep into their pockets for attorney fees. Select a top law firm. Be transparent. As the lawsuit gains traction and legal fees pile, sympathizers may be more willing to donate money. How about a GoFundMe account? Point being, WE (each and everyone one of us) can lead the charge on this matter. We don't need the State, City or Fop. Take it straight to the U.S. Supreme Court to settle once and for all!!

1/11/2017 01:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dont forget to fight for fair and open promotional exams. Eliminate the subjective grading system.

1/11/2017 01:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

compression screws people that stay
makes more sense to ask for a 1% raise for every year after 30
union will screw you every time , health insurance started at $2.00 a pay period
request extra time off , what happened to combat pay for officers assigned to the busiest districts , get rid of duty availability and get a real shift differential
5% for 3rd watch and 7% for 1st watch
f the daytime dollies with straight days weekends off
make it pensionable and you will have some police officers with experience to sloww up the youngsters on 1st and 3rd watch
also will open up second watch for younger officers

1/11/2017 01:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Healthcare! Healthcare! Healthcare! Dean is not the one we want negotiating this next contract. Just look at his past history in opening the door and giving away our healthcare benefits:

2001- Dean allowed the City to change the healthcare contributions from a flat rate to a percentage of our salaries. Now the city gets a raise in healthcare contributions overtime we get a raise.

2014- Dean gave away the free insurance at 55 starting on Jun 1st 2017. This was done after his next election so that we wouldn't notice. Now its 2% of our pension and the city will be asking to raise this every single contract in the future.

2014- Starting Jan 1, 2017 there is now Co-pays for the PPO insurance for the first time ever.

2014- Starting Jan 1, 2017 there is a extra tier in the PPO. If you want to go to an Advocate Hospital or Northwestern our portion of the bill will be more than twice what it was in 2016.

Lets make sure Dean doesn't give away any more of our health insurance benefits!

1/11/2017 02:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I always thought a yearly bonus should be included in all ccntracts for crime reduction. This would be on top of salary. Make it like an athletes contract. If certain milestones are reached, you make more money. It could give more incentive for Police Officers to deter crime and Detectives to solve crime. Just a thought. I know there are potential issues and it would have to be done on a member by member basis which could be very difficult to determine. Or it could just be a blanket bonus, if violent crime is reduced by (x) then contract will pay (y) additional percentage that year.

1/11/2017 02:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The City had their demands for the FOP 2017-21 contract two years ago.
FOP is just now prepping....for an election.
No wonder there's a 4 yr Contract, they need 6 yrs to ratify it.
Retroactive pay is something already earned and entitled, not a bargaining chip.
55 & Out was a Affordable Healthcare Marketplace scheme for 1982-87 hires knowing they won't qualify for subsidies and forced into the AHA payment pyramid sham.

If you Trust your Mayor, you can keep the Hope&Change too.

1/11/2017 02:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ALL GREAT POINTS.

I can only hope that we stick together for the right reasons, no smoke and mirrors. We have no leverage in a strike and a pack of morons running the FOP. Retro is a false positive that fools the shortsighted.

1/11/2017 02:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why on earth would you "want" residency? You want someone to tell you where you can live? You are sheep. The state law on residency can be changed. Laws are added, deleted and changed every year. You are a police officer, you don't know that? Wisconsin had their residency changed a few years ago and the officers and the union weren't worried about home values or the strength of neighborhoods. But officers here in Chicago are small thinkers.

1/11/2017 03:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't think that we have to give up something to get residency lifted. Milwaukee had the state Supreme Court abolish it. They didn't lose anything. The unions just had to want it changed. Our unions don't. Makes me wonder, what's in it for them.

1/11/2017 04:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah, every other department in the country got residency lifted. But we are so much smarter in Chicago that some of us actually think WE are better off with it. If you are so worried about keeping Chicago neighborhoods strong, why don't you give up some salary and benefits, too. The city can use the extra money. Rahm loves control and he's got control on everything you do, even where you live.

1/11/2017 04:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Our pension cost of living raise, is NOT compounded. You have no idea how that hurts us, if you live a long time after retiring. And, our sick asshole of a mayor wanted to eliminate all cost of living increases.

1/11/2017 04:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

DO NOT GIVE UP YOUR RIGHTS FOR MONEY! Demand that the residency rule be lifted (after all we the police are racist evil bastards and the problem here in Chicago). Give those who wish to keep their 606 area code a tax break. Any changes that affect your constitutional/employee rights should be a NO! Severely reduce the amount of management options for watch bids. Allow vacancy bids per month no matter how much it shorts the ghetto districts (the city's inability to fill vacancies shouldn't be our problem). Merit promotions reduced, make a minimum qualifications list for merit promotions, post names of who are going to be selected and why they are chosen for merit. We have way more issues that need to be addressed this contract than money, don't fall for their bullshit.

1/11/2017 04:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Contract needs to change wording about BFD's to be just like SGT & LT contracts. BFD should be worth a tour of duty, if sold back it is worth 8 hours. Why have to burn 1/2 hour of comp time when you want to use a BFD?

1/11/2017 04:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Furlough by watch was done by the city so that they could chip away at duty availability pay. Don't be surprised if that disappears for everyone except for tact and certain units. District should not have to move people around to watches due to shortages anymore (i.e. shortage of POs on 2nd watch during summer because they usually have the most seniority and would get the summer furloughs by seniority)

furlough selection by watch was done to ensure manpower shortages were evenly distributed among watches. So no need for watch changes among members and eventually no justification for duty availability.

1/11/2017 04:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i love all of the bitching about merit, should only the people who have the time to study be made. how about the newer sgts. who have never made a felony arrest but boy can they study. house mouses and the lazy. how about a point system for all promotions. arrrests made, calls answered, no sick days, whatever. there has to be a better way.

1/11/2017 05:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe they will promise a casino. Oh Yeah! Sorry that was a campaign promise.

1/11/2017 05:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't fall for and elect an entire slate of retirees. The retirees have hijacked FOP Lodge 7 and you active guys either don't care or have fallen asleep. Wake up folks. Get involved and vote!

1/11/2017 05:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey jackass I worked midnights for 15 years went to days when I could make bid. Now with 21 years the best furlough is a 5B. Just remember one day you will be on days and you go from your 7B to a 3B I don't want to hear you bitch because your kids by then will be in school and have summers off while you work. Now think about it you will go back instead of forward.

1/11/2017 05:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Funny thing is, the old timers will be getting larger $ amounts back compared with younger ones. Old timers know all about retro checks. It is the younger group that has to realize that caving into a contract based solely on a retro check will harm them in the long run. I like that comment about pay raises like Rhambo gave his workers.

1/11/2017 06:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why did the F.O.P. allow the city to change the wording on the Furloughs to hours instead of days? My contractually promised 25 Working Days just disappeared when the city changed it. Is it just me or should we have still had the 25 days X 8.5 hours worked. It's like the city saying your 25 days we promised you are 23 1/2 now.

1/11/2017 06:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

TO: The earlier they allow people to mad out, the younger people will be when collecting their pension and the quicker it goes belly up.

Exactly. Not a great proposal...25 at the earliest but don't have a problem with 29 either

1/11/2017 06:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This department is screwed. These kids with 5 years on job who like furlo by watch and lifting residency. This is why the city screws us everytime. young and stupid.

1/11/2017 06:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Deano supported the override of the Govenor's veto of SB777. This gave the city an extra 15 years to bring the pension fund up to a 90% funding levelsl. This will cost the taxpayers an extra 18-20 billion dollars and the pension fund an estimated 180 million dollars per year for 15 years. This is the biggest giveaway in the history of organized labor. Dean needs to be expelled from the FOP for his treachery.

1/11/2017 06:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about making a push to get rid of furlough by watch!!!!!! That should rank close to the top!!!

Nope!! I enjoy not having to take a full 1 thanks

1/11/2017 06:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

9:14am.... spoken like a true 3year wonder.

1/11/2017 06:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

6:03am....spoken like another 3yr wonder.

1/11/2017 06:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Furlough by watch has to go, screws everyone with 10-18 years on.

$$$$

Let's be more clear. It screws people on days with 10-18 years on. I have 13 years on and work on 3rd watch and I went from usually getting a 4b 11a to now getting a 7b 13b this year. We can keep this way of picking forever. It's not my fault you got the days management spot. If you want days so bad with less than 20 years on then you gotta pay a little price. You can't have your cake and eat it too. If you want a better furlough then come to afternoons.. and don't give me the sob story of how you have kids and schedules to keep with your wife etc... this is a department of almost 13 thousand people. We all have lives, kids and are married and have to do things so you saying how you need days so bad on management gets absolutely no sympathy from anyone on this job. You can't be so entitled to have it all, let the other guys get a little peek too.. and just so we are clear, if you took time to go to recent Fop meetings furlough by watch will not be negotiated by the lodge on this contract per the negotiating team, for the time being it is here to stay.

1/11/2017 06:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about work on health care, raises, and promotions. Let's not give up shit.

1/11/2017 07:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Deano will do what's best for Deano.

dont forget deano Jr. "My Pops" this, "my Pops" that
walks around the fop hall all cocky.

1/11/2017 07:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

HEY FOP!!!
Keep residency requirements in place. But, terminate the residency once 20 yrs of service is attained.
New pension Wage schedule: 70% after 25yrs of service (instead of 62.5%), then 1% after 26,27 and 28th yrs. The completion of the 29th year should be 2%.
Retirement health insurance must be affordable!

1/11/2017 07:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
0% pay raise for the next 4 years but they have to lift the residency!

1/11/2017

No current home owner on the job is going to vote yes for that genius.

1/11/2017 08:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I voted no! fuck dean, fuck rham and fuck that retro. Sold out the young kids because Angelo scared u into thinking u would get nothing if u didnt sign on. Saved rhe city millions and for what?! What the fuck do i car if i have an old squad or not. Not a contract issue! Self centered, arrogant jagoff.

1/11/2017 08:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We need to vote out FOP all together. Anyone vote for that little prick shields is soft as baby shit. Same goes for any of those other strokes that sat by and watched while he fucked the members and didnt draft that letter of intent. Those guys have all forgotten that that union is to serve the due paying members as opposed to their personal interests.

1/11/2017 08:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the comments about lifting residency......That sounds great on paper......Only problem...the house that you spent 200k, 300k , or 400k for in the city....will be worth a fraction of that ! Especially in the northwest side and south side city worker neighborhoods. And good luck even selling it ! Who the hell would buy it ?
Sell the house now.....move the family to the real promised land, outside the city....get your apartment to keep your job....spend a few nights a week in the apartment...and enjoy ! Take whatever your paying for rent off the top of your salary and you're still making good money.
And btw..... As Sgt with 21 + years....fuck this place.

1/11/2017 08:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ill sign up for that 0% in exchange for residency. Hell ill give up 5 years.

1/11/2017 08:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

1 should be residency, like the above stated no one made you buy that overpriced 2 bedroom in garfield ridge. The rest of us don't need to suffer because you love your neighborhood. I will sit in an hour plus traffic to move my family out of this hellhole.

1/11/2017 08:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

minimum safe manpower requirements and in-district o.t. to help meet that and allow well deserved cu to all.

1/11/2017 08:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

All the people telling everyone not to sell out for retro are the same ones who sold out for retro in the past. It was ok for you to do it, but now you don't want anyone else to do it. Classic.

1/11/2017 08:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Number 1 on the list should be RESIDENCY... I really don't care about working in this crap hole, but raising my family in it, forget about it. I could care less how much people whine about the issue, no one told you to buy a house somewhere you couldn't afford to live at. If you lose out you lose out... With all the attacks on LE lately, if the FLOP plays its cards right we just might win it this time. It has been overturned on federal court many times before. Hell I'd give up retro and a change to our medical system in a heart beat for that trade off, most po's abuse the medical system anyway!

You are an idiot! You knew the rules when you took the job. Give up medical? I'm glad you are young and healthy, but wait till you have a heart attack, or cancer, or twist an ankle or knee, or in an accident off-duty and need the medical. Do you want to lose money because you gave away the medical and got in a crash in your new suburban neighborhood? Using the medical because you are sick is not "abuse" but is a necessity to be able to recover and return to duty. Do people abuse it? Sure. Don't give up the medical in return for removing the residency. Find something else to bargain with.

1/11/2017 08:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Never cede anything that has already been won! First rule of negotiating. Always move forward, never backwards. The city will bank heavily on changing rules already won and in losing that battle will try to make us think we owe them some money back for letting us keep the status quo. Don't fall for this!

1/11/2017 09:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

80/20 plan like many other large cities, or get out at 25 years with top step pay(29 years and a day is ridiculous, even more so with current anti-police climate) should be priority. Next not giving up any healthcare benefits. Also not giving up any legal protections, or being told how to police by the ACLU, DOJ, and BLM to kowtow to politicians, activists, media. Residency is our best bargaining chip and all the Mayors past, present & future will never let CPD/CFD out of it. Chiraq would devolve into Detroit in one year if it's lifted, and Then deteriorate further and transform into the Congo circa 1961 after two years.
Gotta be smart and look at the long game...Retro Check, furlo picks/watch, who is merit are all backburner items that can wait. Like someone pointed out already Retro isbasically us paying ourselves a lump sum from our work...paid by City by sitting on interest and deliberate bad faith negotiation/delay tactics. Need to get out of this totally Fucked profession alive, earlier with more money(i.e. our constitutionally guaranteed Pension) and our healthcare. Get out and move away from this shithole and enjoy the rest of your lives. When we are retired somewhere sunny on the golf course with a cold beer in hand we can get on laptop and SCC will let us know who is or was a Merit pick, and who their Rabbi was...Peace & Hairgrease!

1/11/2017 09:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Keep the insurance and lower the 75% to 25 years of service everyone else has this

1/11/2017 09:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

HEY ANGELO STOP TELL THE CITY TO "BRING THEIR CHECKBOOK". You have said this multiple times AND you have said this to the city. Our employee rights are not and SHOULD NOT be for sale. Fuck stop it already.

1/11/2017 09:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


No current home owner on the job is going to vote yes for that genius.

I would. In a heartbeat. To have some sanity and a piece of land larger than a fucking postage stamp. Genius.

1/11/2017 10:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What is really f'ed up is that the DOJ report is going to say we need to get paid more and our frenemies at the FOP made a deal with Rahm to play politics and do take up issue about nothing with him. Dean Scamgelo

1/11/2017 10:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anyone who thinks giving up medical for ANY benefit thats on the table, ie: retro, residency, merit picks, ect. is a complete ass. One catastophic injury off duty and you could be wiped out. THINK before we give up something so precious as medical. YOU could be next to be off for an extended injury/ilness and its so nice to know while you recover that the checks keep coming.

1/11/2017 11:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Residency this, residency that, blah, blah, blah. Does it really make a difference where you live when you've lost your job because you bargained away your rights?

1/11/2017 11:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

your neighborhoods will be getting section 8 game over!

1/11/2017 11:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

people that dont have jobs can live anywhere with section 8 but coppers have to live in the city.

1/11/2017 11:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

promotion should go on activity combine with testing and years of experience.

1/11/2017 11:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

if its mandatory to have your paper done by end of tour we should get c.e. time every day and be able to sell it back.

1/11/2017 11:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fop listen. First comp time be senority drop that. And my reason is simple. I earned that time I should b able to use it. 012 dis. Merged failure. Lost over 200 people, not replaced. I'm on midnight we have 60 people on the watch. In order to get 15 percent off 5 car's have to be downed every night. Get rid of 15 percent. That works in district like 11 that have over 400 people. There 15 percent maybe 10 people off. We r only getting 1 person off a night. Cu by senority makes no sense, when pdays are. Give every cop a chance to get off. Guys with under 8 years can't get time off. Never had these issues until comp time by senority. Furlos by watch dump it. Again I have 19 years on, if I try for days in 012 first I won't get it but if I could the best furlo I could get is a full 3. Go back to how it was for 16 years I worked. And please save the hey u r in 012 speech. It's not the same 12 everyone thinks. We suffered enough, merger, staples, bubblehead. Please just listen to what the guys want.

1/12/2017 12:02:00 AM  
Blogger MTS said...

To the comments about lifting residency......That sounds great on paper......Only problem...the house that you spent 200k, 300k , or 400k for in the city....will be worth a fraction of that ! Especially in the northwest side and south side city worker neighborhoods. And good luck even selling it ! Who the hell would buy it ?
Sell the house now.....move the family to the real promised land, outside the city....get your apartment to keep your job....spend a few nights a week in the apartment...and enjoy ! Take whatever your paying for rent off the top of your salary and you're still making good money.
And btw..... As Sgt with 21 + years....fuck this place.

*****************************************************************************************
You guys all crack me up with the residency comments. There's going to be no mass exodus and your house will not plummet in value if the city allows you to live in Oak Lawn or any other suburb. I've been CPD for almost 20 years now and a home inspector for 15 years. Do you know how many people live in the city that DON'T work for the city? Plenty. I often do home inspections for non-city workers in MT Greenwood and Beverly. You guys are douchebags with this line of thinking. First off most you are from the city and lived here before you got on and didn't move away before you became CPD when you had the chance. How many of you are from Kentucky? Minnesota? Florida? Right. Most are from this city and most will retire here so quit your damn whining that the property values will go in the toilet if your cop neighbor moves out to Chicago Ridge. I bet 10% even consider moving if residency got lifted and guess what? Your cop neighbor moves out? Another city worker will buy the house. Someone who does not want to drive in from Plano everyday. Geez.

1/12/2017 12:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Furlough by watch has to go, screws everyone with 10-18 years on."
Go to midnights then. You'll get the best furlough.

This idea of fucking the city to the point it fails is just mind-boggling. I get it the city has fucked us in many instances and they are still trying to fuck us and probably will try to really fuck us this upcoming contract with all the liberal BS that's spewing since "hands up, don't shoot" but the city still pays our salaries and is our current way of making a living and our ticket to retirement. The property values need to go up for our own benefit. What good does it do us if the city ACTUALLY ends up like Detroit. I have no qualms about making the city pay their share, making sure we get our health care, our pension and get everything we deserve...but if the city has no money to do that you don't get anything. It's like betting against your own horse in a race.

1/12/2017 12:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let's get medical for anyone who works 25 years and is 50 years old, that will help the guys who have to pick furlough by watch on days into a summer furlough. Two birds with One stone.

1/12/2017 02:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Most of those that don't want to fight residency are people that haven't moved out of their parents homes. There's more out there and much nicer areas. And why do you want to be told where you can live

1/12/2017 03:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And lift the residencey requirement

1/12/2017 03:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do NOT give up your criminal and legal protections for residency.

Do NOT give up your medical benefits for residency.

You'll NEVER get them back.

And BTW,the suburbs aren't all in the promised land. Suburban real estate taxes aren't any cheaper,unless you are a few counties away.

Lake and Du Page county taxes are more than Cook. Unless you live in a shithole.

1/12/2017 06:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the comments about lifting residency......That sounds great on paper......Only problem...the house that you spent 200k, 300k , or 400k for in the city....will be worth a fraction of that ! Especially in the northwest side and south side city worker neighborhoods. And good luck even selling it ! Who the hell would buy it ?
Sell the house now.....move the family to the real promised land, outside the city....get your apartment to keep your job....spend a few nights a week in the apartment...and enjoy ! Take whatever your paying for rent off the top of your salary and you're still making good money.
And btw..... As Sgt with 21 + years....fuck this place.

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You guys all crack me up with the residency comments. There's going to be no mass exodus and your house will not plummet in value if the city allows you to live in Oak Lawn or any other suburb. I've been CPD for almost 20 years now and a home inspector for 15 years. Do you know how many people live in the city that DON'T work for the city? Plenty. I often do home inspections for non-city workers in MT Greenwood and Beverly. You guys are douchebags with this line of thinking. First off most you are from the city and lived here before you got on and didn't move away before you became CPD when you had the chance. How many of you are from Kentucky? Minnesota? Florida? Right. Most are from this city and most will retire here so quit your damn whining that the property values will go in the toilet if your cop neighbor moves out to Chicago Ridge. I bet 10% even consider moving if residency got lifted and guess what? Your cop neighbor moves out? Another city worker will buy the house. Someone who does not want to drive in from Plano everyday. Geez.

1/12/2017 12:29:00 AM
I agree live in Garfield ridge just had a few homes by me sold and new people moved in *Guy from plainfield retired railroad worker, across street retired CPD went to Vegas was there 10 years now back, next door CFD Boss, across alley State trooper, so the values will not drop people still like the convenience the city offers!

1/12/2017 09:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

your neighborhoods will be getting section 8 game over!

1/11/2017 11:25:00 PM
have family that are coppers in naperville and Schaumburg the section 8 there is overwhelming,and in naperville the idiots elected voted for more section 8 housing!

1/12/2017 09:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The title of the post is "Don't Fall for Retro", not "Ditch Residency"! Hey SCC can you tell if it's just the same small person or small group of posters that keep bringing up residency? I wouldn't put it past the little turd mayor to stir shit up just to try to "Put It In Our Ears"!

1/12/2017 09:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

All this bickering about this or that.
Never give up what you already have for something you think might be better.
Add that something better to the table.

And, all Actives need to VOTE!

or all this bickering is for naught.

1/12/2017 09:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Does anybody know that when a cop retires at 55 and insurance goes to 2% after June/17 if it's guaranteed at 2% until age 63/Medicare like the free health insurance is now????????????
1/11/2017 08:09:00 AM
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Medicare starts at 65yrs of age NOT 63!

1/12/2017 09:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Mike Walsh said...

Well I rarely post on here for obvious reasons and I rarely read the comments because theyre just aggravating. I do read the posts just to see what's going on or for some comic relief occasionally. That said, I learned one thing today by making the mistake of reading the comments section. We're fucked!! You know why? Not because of the city and not because of anyone but ourselves. If the city reads this(I'm 99.9% some command staff and someone from management and labor affairs does) they must be loving it. Looking at how divided we are and how childish some are. They have already divided and conquered. Old coppers ripping young coppers and young guys ripping old timers, white shirts vs blue shirts, college grads vs non college grads, guys ripping on certain neighborhoods and saying well "too bad if you overpaid for your house, you're stupid" Wtf is wrong with us? THIS is WHY we lose our ass come contract time. We're so divided and everyone wants something different. What are we going to have like 6 candidates running for FOP? Soon they will be coming to roll calls telling us why they're the best and why the other guys suck. More coppers ripping on other coppers. I understand we're all different and that's human nature but the bottom line is we all want, or at the very least, NEED, the same things in regards to this job. Some of us are lucky enough to be in good districts or units, some were lucky enough to bid(me) to good districts , some are stuck in shitty spots with no way out because there's not enough open spots to bid to, some have phone calls and use them(everyone would if they had it so stop bullshitting). It's time we all put our big boy pants on and get ready for what's about to come at contract time. It won't be pretty and we're not going to get everything we want. It doesn't mean we can't ask and it doesn't mean whoever we do elect as president didn't try. You win some and you lose some, but if we go into this as divided as we are now I GUARANTEE we're screwed because instead of sticking together we will be divided by who we voted for. Vote for whoever YOU believe will represent us the best, not because he's your buddy or because you think he's a nice guy or because you think he will hook you up with something. Vote for the guy that really seems like he will get the job done. I have no idea who that is for me personally but I will listen to what all have to say and make my own determination. My choice may differ from yours and yours from mine. Doesn't make me an asshole and doesn't make you stupid. Let's stick together for once. That's the end of my rant for now. Stay safe everyone and back each other up. I will also leave my name to this post because I think anonymously talking shit is for pussies.......Mike Walsh 018

1/12/2017 10:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What is all this repeated talk about residency??? Look around EVERY neighborhood in the city... how many cops actually live in Any?? I'm in EP and although saturated with cops and other city workers, the MAJORITIES on my block, friends and family's block are NOT city workers... Do you all think that lifting residency will cause a mass exodus out of the city?? Where will you go?? All the western suburbs are getting taken over by pookie anyway, southern burbs look like a little Middle East... No thanks! How many cops live in $2000+/month RENT in Lincoln park or west loop? These are areas that are filled with people who don't HAVE to live in the city, yet do. I know plenty of retired cops/city workers in my are that could've split town years ago but have no plans to leave. This "mass exodus" is the same Chicken little BS like those who say "get out of the city, it's the next Detroit"...as new pricey buildings are going up everyday and companies are relocating into the city. Just because you didn't see the writing on the wall and bought in a soon-to-be shitty area, don't think that EVERYONE in the city would give away their house as soon as they lifted residency. It may be wrong and I agree we SHOULD be able to live wherever we want, but it's not a priority for those who made wise decisions.

1/12/2017 11:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the beat off cops yelling " you knew the rules for residency when you were hired" that is a dumb a statement . The whole idea of a contract is changing and improving on the things we started with !!. Stop being greedy about your 3 bedroom half a mill raised ranxh on a 25x130 lot like its gold . Residency now , via law suit .

1/12/2017 12:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Actually I think all those that want to see residency gone are Southside because they don't even want to live there! No problem selling my house on the NW Side.

1/12/2017 12:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Does anybody know that when a cop retires at 55 and insurance goes to 2% after June/17 if it's guaranteed at 2% until age 63/Medicare like the free health insurance is now????????????
1/11/2017 08:09:00 AM
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Medicare starts at 65yrs of age NOT 63!

1/12/2017 09:41:00 AM
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And will probably be going to 67 ...

1/12/2017 04:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This department should be run like one of Donald Trumps casinos. Make the CPD great again.

1/12/2017 05:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
This department should be run like one of Donald Trumps casinos. Make the CPD great again.

You sure? They went bankrupt.

1/12/2017 11:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No one talks about adequately funding the pension. Start by eliminating the Gold Stars drawing pensions based on their exempt pay.
You need to start thinking like a Union and less like a Fraternal Organization other city worker pensions have already come under fire and your deluded in thinking Police and Fire are sacred cows. Them today you tomorrow, count on it and start planning accordingly.
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1/15/2017 01:20:00 AM  
Anonymous 1127X said...

You guys all crack me up with the residency comments...

Maaan, I thought I was the only one. lol

1/15/2017 09:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Actually I think all those that want to see residency gone are Southside because they don't even want to live there! No problem selling my house on the NW Side".

Agree. I don't blame them though. Were I a southsider, I'd want out too.
Ha!

1/15/2017 09:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Keep health costs down , shift differential. Not duty availability is the way to go , 5% for 3rd watch ,8% for 1st watch pensionable . A way to get old timers off 2nd Watch . End the Medical Abusers . From day one , every police officer has a medical bank of 365 days , that will cover 90% of Police Officers . Negotiate with CPD Memorial to assist Police Officers on a extended mediacsl that did not abuse the system .
Remember if you need more than the one year the pension will give you 50% disability . Save pension , end gold braid and duty disability for police officers that can walk,talk,drive ,vacation ,work other jobs while on disability . Many full duty officers are assigned to clerical duties .

1/15/2017 03:37:00 PM  

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