Tuesday, January 10, 2017

Contract Talks Coming

Is everyone ready for this? FOP, we're looking at you:
  • The phrase “police union contracts” likely won’t appear in the U.S. Department of Justice report on the Chicago Police Department, set to be released this week. The DOJ has historically not made labor recommendations after its investigations of police practices.

    But the contracts have become a focal point for civil rights groups, activists, and even some politicians since the 2015 release of the Laquan McDonald video that triggered the DOJ’s civil rights investigation. The video of Officer Jason Van Dyke fatally shooting the black 17-year-old paralyzed the city with protests, toppled a police chief and state’s attorney, and renewed citywide calls for policing reform.

    In the weeks after the video’s release, aldermen said for the first time that the labor contracts were a significant barrier to police accountability for misconduct. They promised to remove provisions that make it harder for the city to investigate and discipline officers.

    Those promises will be put to the test this year as the city renegotiates its contracts with the four unions representing officers, sergeants, lieutenants and captains. Historically, the contracts have been negotiated behind closed doors by the city’s law department and approved unanimously by the City Council.
"unanimously"? Is that true? We recall a number of contracts being negotiated and approved and someone always raised some sort of objections. The aldercreatures have always had input and believe it or not, the final say-so. Just because they were rubber stamps to Shortshanks and Rahm doesn't mean the FOP was some negotiating Superman. We got what the City gave us or what the arbitrator awarded us. The police can't strike, so we've ALWAYS operated from a weaker position. (cue liberal heads exploding)

Fortunately, they've revealed their game plan, so the FOP can be prepared:
  • The task force identified about a dozen provisions that it said discouraged citizens from filing complaints, made it easier for officers to lie in official reports, and made it harder for the city to identify and discipline officers who are responsible for misconduct.

    For example, the contracts prohibit the filing of anonymous complaints, allow officers 24 hours after a shooting before they can be interviewed by investigators, give officers the right to amend their statements to investigators after reviewing video or audio evidence, and ban rewards for whistleblower officers.
We suppose the FOP could just offer one proposal to counter this. Agree to abide by the same provisions that the FBI operates under. After all, if' it's good enough for the federal government, it has to be good enough for the CPD, right?

In any event, keep a close eye on everything that both sides do. Whomever is negotiating this time had better be open and upfront about what's going on.

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157 Comments:

Anonymous Not a Gold Star said...

What are you worried about? FOP has it covered.

1/10/2017 12:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We're screwed if the current FOP under the leadership of "silent Dean Angelo" is negotiating our contract.

1/10/2017 12:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Any one wanna sign on the line to get back paid owed and let some cop get discipline on a fast track level.... If you don't know what I am talking about.. Look at that cop who got fast track for sweet home Alabama and the tac guy who got fast tracked for saying that one asshole who died had it coming, and don't forget, while I am getting choked out- that cop who kicked asshole in the back of his dreads. Sign right here

1/10/2017 12:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Get us a 1 hour paid lunch...

1/10/2017 12:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We are so fucked... honestly Dean is gonna roll over like a bitch and won't even put up a fight
I mean seriously he hasn't fought up to this point what makes anyone think he will play hardball in regards to the contract

1/10/2017 12:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Give them everything they want and in return residency is gone. I can put up with a lot more living in Dupage County.

1/10/2017 12:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We're talking about Dean and company here so don't expect any real opposition by the FOP to safeguard those provisions on behalf of the membership. Expect to be fleeced boys and girls I don't see a silver lining in this impending storm.

1/10/2017 12:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

29 YEARS IS WAY TOO LONG!!! Everyone knows the pension is the most important issue, but supposedly it's been fixed, right? Aside from the pension the main focus the FOP should be working on is lowering the max out time from 29 years to 25 years. 29 years is absolutely way to many years for a police officer working in a major city. Huge burnout factor. The majority of police departments across America max out at 20-25 years. New York maxs out at 20 years and Chicago cops are exposed to a lot more violence. We are forced to reside here so lower the time on the job. Also getting our final step raise needs to come down too. If the city wants to change our discipline protections then we better ask for the world in return. 29 years on this job is ridiculous! FOP you need to bring this down to 25 years. I'm surprised I don't hear more cops talking about this. This is like adding time to our lives. We really need to press for this. Go for big raises too. How about lift residency after 10 or 15 years of service?

1/10/2017 12:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fuck yeah !
Give us what the fbi gets . .....who ,after all , could argue with the FBI ?
Just think . ...more than 30 rnds a year practice . ..

1/10/2017 12:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I sure hope its not Dean! Bring your checkbook ? Really Dean. Sounds like your all ready to cave on our discipline issues. You gave away the free health insurance at 55, furlough by unit, duty availability for the young bloods, pushed the better hospitals in a different tier, Co-pays for the PPO insurance now. You did nothing to fight the cameras down in Springfield. Dean Angelo does not care about active officers. You also forgot about us retirees that are not on Medicare yet. Enjoy your time down in sunny Florida.

1/10/2017 01:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Might be worst contract ever

1/10/2017 02:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nobody wants this fucking job, if those ass clowns from the FOP give anything up any more of our benefits they should be drawn and quartered. The last contract presented to the membership was a fucking disgrace and can only be explained in the context of Dean seeking future benefits for himself and his people. Now is the time to look at the possibility of bringing in a different bargaining unit, maybe the teamsters

1/10/2017 02:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Angelo team is all over fb and social media with the slogan, "We have your backs"
That's a joke, right?
The haven't had anyone's back since they took office but now it's election time and they say they have our backs?
Go away all of you!

1/10/2017 02:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If they want to change the discipline FOP better aim really really high on other stuff. For starters, no more 29 and a day for maxing out. Bring it down to 25 years like every other Police department. I'm amazed that this topic hasn't been brought up more often. How about More vacation days, personal days etc. Heafty raises. You better get this right FOP. I'll be voting for anyone that lowers the 29 year max out.

1/10/2017 02:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This will be the most important contract ever! Don't fuck this up FOP! Whatever we give away on discipline make sure we get twice as much back on other things. How about lift residency after 10 years of service. Lower the 29 year maximum. Big raises. Be firm

1/10/2017 03:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Off topic but worth watching.
CNN is covering the murder of one Orlando officer and the death of another one.
Both the officer and the killer are black.
While this is going on they have a count down timer going letting us know that in just 29 hours 0bama will grace us with his farewell address.

There is something surreal about seeing that smug SOB's picture on the TV while they are reporting about 2 dead police officers.

It needed a thought balloon.
Mission Accomplished.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhxKPArYs5A

1/10/2017 05:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As we've seen contracts mean nothing to the city. Cr's were never destroyed after the agreed time period. Now its accepted practice. We gave something up without negotiating and received nothing in return.

1/10/2017 05:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

All I can say, is the F.O.P better not give anything up and the members better not be whining about the contract not being signed. This is gonna take years. Mark my words

1/10/2017 06:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Residency by lawsuit now!

1/10/2017 06:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Since we have a " law and order" President Trump 20Jan17 and the same in AG The beginning of the contract and end should be "obey the law,we enforce the law" simply as easy as this! It's time to cut the lies and misconceptions supporting the police in every way will make "Chicago great again"

We also badly need the Feds to come in immediately and fiscally audit the cities financial books! The rahm mismanagement and obvious theft is overwhelming this guy is looking to build more schools after closing over 58 and Barry just gave him 1 billion for the Cta redline well the repairs are needed rahm you must pay the bills coming due and way over due first, pay the pensions stop absolutely all spending until this is resolved you can't spend our money this is really unconsciousable, and to use a Eddie Johnson word "uncomfortable" to quote Barry Obama your acting "stupidly" now pay the bills, and stop giving illegal criminals our tax rebate money for lawyers how can you protect criminals? Not surprised shootings and murders are out of control exponentially!

1/10/2017 07:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Residency.

1/10/2017 07:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

WEIRD

the inspector general can't investigate anonymous complaints against Alderman!
(drug dealers wont make false complaints)

NO ONE has been prosecuted for making a false complaint against any officer in this County.

IPRA is still not certified to investigate police shooting that lead to death.

How can exempt be on scene and ask question but at NO point generate any documents stating what they have found in their investigation? Why would exempts have extra copies of new investigation yet never sign any paper work stating they have access to witnesses,victims and offenders? (yea clouted never leak info)

1/10/2017 07:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

All issues related to Contract with the FOP must be framed and viewed through the prism of Rahm's Re-Coronation and his hatred of CPD! Nothing is as important as Rahm's now limited Political Career. The Chicago Police Department has destroyed Rahm's, national ambitions as evidenced by the way he was toxic during Hillary's campaign. She visited Chicago numerous times, and each time avoided Rahm, the Democrat Mayor of the City she was visiting. Think about that for a moment, she was the Party's candidate of Rahm's Party and she would not be seen with Rahm! Rahm will seek revenge against CPD in this contract. And from this point forward, Rahm must solidify his Black constituency. This Contract is directly tied to Rahm's reelection! At this point, even Pat Quinn could beat Rahm. I hope the FOP leadership is strong enough to stand up to him, because this time Rahm is like a wounded animal. He can just collapse, or take one last lunge. Do Nothing more than the minimum required of your assignment. Baby "G"

1/10/2017 07:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

1. Keep our current protections.
2. Pay raise.
3. Residency.

1/10/2017 07:52:00 AM  
Blogger Mr. SouthSide said...

The Feds have a ton of safeguards we don't have.

1/10/2017 07:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Already said...

Vote NO

1/10/2017 08:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Aldermen, you should all look in the mirror. FOP needs to start becoming vocal regarding Aldermatic corruption and how they are investigated. Lets develop an investigative board for Aldermen made up of citizens, lawyers and police. Make some noise FOP.

1/10/2017 08:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nowhere does any Police contract "protect bad cops". All the contracts say is that due process must be followed. In essence, Police Officers are afforded the same rights as anyone else. About 30 years ago a Sgt told me that the contract prevents supervisors from disciplining anyone. Actually, the contract solidifies discipline because the supervisors must dot their i's and cross their t's to build a case.

1/10/2017 08:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Contract talks, hmmmm. How about 20% increase over 5 years. I think that would be a good start. You want us to do all the bullshit the department is telling us to do, a few ISR'S here and there. Then you can make it an even 50% increase.

1/10/2017 08:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I would say we have to vote for someone who has been in touch and a feel for the working copper. ..not someone who has. Een collecting a tax free check for a dozen years.

1/10/2017 08:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't trade protections for a little bit of cash.simple

1/10/2017 09:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What I find strange is that so many (almost every) medium to large city in California is doing great. The whole state is anti-business, a near basket case and getting worse by the day. Businesses are moving out of state in droves and their environmental policies are ruining once prosperous farming.

1/10/2017 09:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

1236am> I agree but set a time frame,say 7 yrs and out. This will keep home values intact along with the tax base.

1/10/2017 09:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If they want to change the discipline FOP better aim really really high on other stuff. For starters, no more 29 and a day for maxing out. Bring it down to 25 years like every other Police department... Agreed! Let's get some real benefits this time!

1/10/2017 09:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Give us what the fbi gets . .....who ,after all , could argue with the FBI ?
Well said. As usual SCC leads the way to sanity!

1/10/2017 09:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

25 years and you max out, also 2 percent insurance as long as your 50 yrs old.

1/10/2017 09:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
29 YEARS IS WAY TOO LONG!!! Everyone knows the pension is the most important issue, but supposedly it's been fixed, right? Aside from the pension the main focus the FOP should be working on is lowering the max out time from 29 years to 25 years. 29 years is absolutely way to many years for a police officer working in a major city. Huge burnout factor. The majority of police departments across America max out at 20-25 years. New York maxs out at 20 years and Chicago cops are exposed to a lot more violence. We are forced to reside here so lower the time on the job. Also getting our final step raise needs to come down too. If the city wants to change our discipline protections then we better ask for the world in return. 29 years on this job is ridiculous! FOP you need to bring this down to 25 years. I'm surprised I don't hear more cops talking about this. This is like adding time to our lives. We really need to press for this. Go for big raises too. How about lift residency after 10 or 15 years of service?

1/10/2017 12:52:00 AM

I agree. 25 and out for 75% or 29 and a day gets you 80%. How about dropping the 55 insurance to 25 years of service regardless of age for 2% and free at 55

1/10/2017 09:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Go to arbitration.

1/10/2017 09:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The city council demands accountability from the police officers. What about accountability from the aldermen? Every time a person or department is appointed to monitor the activities of aldermen, they are limited in a budget and responsibilities. How many aldermen have been indicted in the last 25 years? Yet they have no accountability, answer to one one. We can only hope that a very aggressive republican attorney general is appointed to investigate politicians in Chicago.

1/10/2017 09:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Residency needs to be fought in a lawsuit at the Supreme Court level, that's never going to be negotiated in a contract. At some point it will have to be struck down in order to get anyone to take this job. It's just not going to be anytime soon unfortunately.

1/10/2017 09:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The new contract will be settled by a arbitrator. The city and FOP will make outlandish demands that neither one can bring back to the membership so it will go to a arbitrator as in the past. That would save a lot of time, money and face for both the city and FOP.

1/10/2017 09:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

29 YEARS IS WAY TOO LONG!!! Everyone knows the pension is the most important issue, but supposedly it's been fixed, right? Aside from the pension the main focus the FOP should be working on is lowering the max out time from 29 years to 25 years. 29 years is absolutely way to many years for a police officer working in a major city. Huge burnout factor. The majority of police departments across America max out at 20-25 years. New York maxs out at 20 years and Chicago cops are exposed to a lot more violence. We are forced to reside here so lower the time on the job. Also getting our final step raise needs to come down too. If the city wants to change our discipline protections then we better ask for the world in return. 29 years on this job is ridiculous! FOP you need to bring this down to 25 years. I'm surprised I don't hear more cops talking about this. This is like adding time to our lives. We really need to press for this. Go for big raises too. How about lift residency after 10 or 15 years of service
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Agreed!

1/10/2017 09:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm sure asshole Rahm will give Fr. Phaker, BLM types, and "community" thugs a seat at the negotiating table.
This will obviously be the most adversarial and contentious contract negotiations the FOP has ever encountered.
Hopefully Dean and his boys turn everything over to professional negotiators....... cause I've got no faith in Dean and his boys being able to handle them on their own.

1/10/2017 09:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They do have our backs when they have us bent over.

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The Angelo team is all over fb and social media with the slogan, "We have your backs"
That's a joke, right?
The haven't had anyone's back since they took office but now it's election time and they say they have our backs?
Go away all of you!

1/10/2017 10:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do not cede any legal or procedural due process rights for any benefit.

All the little employment bennies the City may dangle before you doesn't mean squat if the city can arbitrarily snatched it away and financially ruin you on a whim.

What Dean needs to do is preemptively declare that out legal rights are rights and are not subject to reduction in any way shape or form.

Because once it starts it will never stop.

1/10/2017 10:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

MEDICAL, RETIREE MEDICAL.
Never give up sworn affidavit.
Don't ask for fucking Cars!

It's going to arbitration, so DONT DISCUSS ANYTHING "GROUNDBREAKING", and then the arbitrator can't award it.

1/10/2017 10:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Funny how the "new centurians" think 29 years is too long to max out. Some of us remember when you needed 32 years to collect a pension. The pension is earned not given so stop complaining and do your time, otherwise quit.

1/10/2017 10:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The man with a new idea is a crank until the idea succeeds...Mark Twain

brockmerck.com

1. Residency
2. Energized Political Action Committee
3. Independent

1/10/2017 10:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To all the idiots who keep wanting residency lifted. Go away it's not gonna happen shut up already. You will be lucky to get anything with this fop leadership running negotiations.

1/10/2017 11:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Any mention of a new fleet of cruisers?

1/10/2017 11:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey did dean-o after get enough money for his dog to be operated on? Ruff Ruff

1/10/2017 11:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Any one wanna sign on the line to get back paid owed and let some cop get discipline on a fast track level.... If you don't know what I am talking about.. Look at that cop who got fast track for sweet home Alabama and the tac guy who got fast tracked for saying that one asshole who died had it coming, and don't forget, while I am getting choked out- that cop who kicked asshole in the back of his dreads. Sign right here

1/10/2017 12:14:00 AM


I know the goof with the PA was sparred to safe him a CR and heavy time.

1/10/2017 11:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ok i know residency is probably going nowhere while i'm on the job..yeah yeah yeah... state law and all that (like laws have never been challenged and overturned ) . But its something that should be put on the table so we can get something in return ! Also i think i may go ape-shit if i hear that they are asking for more cars/equipment something that should never be on the table as that is stuff that should automatically be provided by the employer ! Also duty availability for new guys also should be reinstated ! Anyone check to see if 'the letter' needs to be sent yet ?

1/10/2017 11:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Meanwhile, Tom Ryan of the Firefighters Union is taking Rahm on in the Sun Times:

http://chicago.suntimes.com/opinion/monday-letters-city-let-down-former-firefighters-paramedics/

With the ringing in of another new year usually comes a fuzzy feeling of renewed hope. For some 30,000 retired City of Chicago workers, however, the arrival of Jan. 1 brought with it the stark reality that they no longer have the health care coverage that they were promised when they were hired decades ago. It is truly a sad time in the history of this great city.

The retired firefighters and paramedics we represent risked their lives each day throughout their careers to protect Chicago’s citizens. Many suffered severe and debilitating injuries and illnesses directly linked to their public service. Now, in their time of need, the city has chosen let them become someone else’s responsibility...

1/10/2017 12:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Remove residency!!

1/10/2017 12:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In an article written by Fran Spielman in the Sun-Times on 06 January, retiree Dean complains about districts lacking squad cars. What happened to the 400 new cars bargained for in the contract? Where are they Dean? Dean turns 63 on 29 June 2017, and will be forced to retire. A retiree should not be President of the FOP.

1/10/2017 12:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A little off topic but can someone explain 2 me why college coaches have armed state
police officers protecting there ass, I mean they got 52 players on there teams to
take action if needed, a giant waste of tax payer money, don't u think?

1/10/2017 12:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

If they want to change the discipline FOP better aim really really high on other stuff. For starters, no more 29 and a day for maxing out. Bring it down to 25 years like every other Police department. I'm amazed that this topic hasn't been brought up more often. How about More vacation days, personal days etc. Heafty raises. You better get this right FOP. I'll be voting for anyone that lowers the 29 year max out.

1/10/2017 02:33:00 AM
How about fully funding the pension? that should be the #1 thing as we all are hoping to have a pension how about that Dean sir?

1/10/2017 12:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dean will let the city hammer us in the ass with no lube and put the blame on everything else except his loyalty to Rahm.

1/10/2017 12:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ill take any of those or even all of those. Lift residency in return. Hell ill even give up a years raise already did it once thanks to a little midget fucking retard who was too arrogant to draft a simple letter.

1/10/2017 12:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Apparently the Angelo team is in Florida right now, rounding up retiree votes so they can keep screwing the officers who are still on the job.

http://thebluevoicechoice.blogspot.com/2017/01/fopmembers-in-chicago-are-facing.html?spref=fb

1/10/2017 12:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Residency after 10 years , max out at 25 years . Anything less than these things is a loss and not acceptable. If they want to fast track fu$k us , than you better make them give up the world. Because basically they are asking that we deunionize .

1/10/2017 12:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Stop kidding yourself with the residency already, it's not gonna happen. We need to focus on shut we can actually change. Secondly, it doesn't matter who the president of fop is because only about 25% of us vote. But I'm willing to bet vote that 90% of retirees vote. Let's not give up anything, I'm not willing to give up our rights just so I can live outside the city, what good will it do when I get fired with no due process.

1/10/2017 12:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about you walk in and tell the city "we are not giving anything up and we want 7% a year for the next four years, 75% after 25 years and immunity like the prosecutors and judges.

And then walk out and keep what we have in place now Because you useless fucks at the FOP are going to give everything away and say "we had no choice." BY the way let's not include stupid shit like new vehicles, if we don't have vehicleS we'll sit in the station and wait for the R man. YOU didnt do us any favors there. Did anyone ever even check if they purchased the vehicles they said they were going to or were you too busy planning the next steak dinner.

1/10/2017 12:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Give them everything they want and in return residency is gone. I can put up with a lot more living in Dupage County.

1/10/2017 12:36:00 AM

I already live in Dupage rent a room in Chicago for my residency.

1/10/2017 12:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dean cannot lower our years of service. It's not a contract issue. It must be done downstate through legislation. How do people not know this!

1/10/2017 12:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Seriously fuck all of these so called "progressive" leaders, they are anything but progressive. After all, why on Earth should we as police officers have the same constitutional rights as those that we arrest??? Police Officers are not even considered human beings in the minds of "Progressive liberals". 10 more days. Don't let the door hit you on the way out Obama- you've been acting "stupidly" for the last 8 years

1/10/2017 12:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I know it will never happen, but lifting residency would be a dream come true. I never realized how miserable I'd be having been forced to move to this hell hole of a city.

1/10/2017 12:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You can make retirement 10 and a day but if they can do whatever they want on discipline then nobody will make 5 years. They need to stand their ground on all this. We have given up too much in the past. I'd rater have a job with no raise then to loose it because I got some fast track discipline.

1/10/2017 01:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

keep crapparelli and mcDonutthin away from the contract talks

1/10/2017 01:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If they want to change the discipline FOP better aim really really high on other stuff. For starters, no more 29 and a day for maxing out. Bring it down to 25 years like every other Police department. I'm amazed that this topic hasn't been brought up more often. How about More vacation days, personal days etc. Heafty raises. You better get this right FOP. I'll be voting for anyone that lowers the 29 year max out.

1/10/2017 02:33:00 AM

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, but keep in mind that our final step raise doesn't kick in until 25 years. By the time you work those four years at that step you're at 29 years. The FOP would need to negotiate the final step raise down to 20 years if we had a 25 year max pension. That seems like a bit more than the FOP is capable of in my opinion.

1/10/2017 01:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Stay Fetal
Follow all the rules of ACLU ,doj,and special Ed
No stops without probable cause , no foot or vehicular chases
Get a detailed description from victim , send flash message
Most important , once you arrive a offender not on scene , give a slow down or disregard
Tour area for offender
Stay Fetal

1/10/2017 01:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Watch the city offer 18% over five years in exchange for discipline and guys will trip all over themselves to vote yes.

1/10/2017 01:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Stay Fetal
Follow all the rules of ACLU ,doj,and special Ed
No stops without probable cause , no foot or vehicular chases
Get a detailed description from victim , send flash message
Most important , once you arrive a offender not on scene , give a slow down or disregard
Tour area for offender
Stay Fetal

1/10/2017 01:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rather than FBI standards, FOP should negotiate and abide by the rules afforded to the elected City Council in regards to complaints and investigations.
There's no fairness coming from CityHall to the FOP membership who have to settle for what little is offered not bargained. Even then, city hall still violates the agreement.
City hall will throw in a lot of non-negotiable and stringent disciplinary demands, not much or very little wage and pension offers.
(FOP Collective bargaining agreement is racist and violates civil rights as defined by the Police Accountabilty Task Force)
Don't expect any of 28 Years a Special Ed's promises like Patrol promotions, FTO and Watch Issues to make it into the Contract.
The Contract Talks will be one-sided as usual. Everything Rahm offers will be dependent on a President Trump Federal DOJ Grant.
Rahm will make The DJT Admin the bad guy for siding with Law Enforcement.

Membership needs to take matters on their own, collectively without FOP.
Staying Fetal is a start.
Screw it to Rahm's SanctuaryCity and Community.

1/10/2017 01:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The residency will "never happen" it has been tried for years, and some kiddie cops want to give up much for this! Work on protecting the pension and hospitalization that is really important! If they ever did eliminate residency which will not happen, no more of the "hey boss can I slide by and watch my kids play,game,concert etc.." Your not going to be allowed to leave the city for this! the canine unit was told long ago if this ever happened no more take home cars, you would have to transport dog yourselves to station to pick up vehicle.

It has been said numerous times before if you don't want to live here like all coppers before simply find another job, bet you will never make the money you make here anywhere! If you think you can superhero prove me wrong! Now back to Mommy's basement and some warm milk!

1/10/2017 01:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

If they want to change the discipline FOP better aim really really high on other stuff. For starters, no more 29 and a day for maxing out. Bring it down to 25 years like every other Police department. I'm amazed that this topic hasn't been brought up more often. How about More vacation days, personal days etc. Heafty raises. You better get this right FOP. I'll be voting for anyone that lowers the 29 year max out.

1/10/2017 02:33:00 AM
Best pension deal for police officers in the state is is the Illinois State Police 80% after 26 years 8 months of service. The State of Illinois has $130 BILLION in unfunded pension liability. Chicago's unfunded pension liability IS 63 BILLION. There is no way any pension enhancements will be passed by our legislators and any FOP candidate who promises to get you a pension enhancement will never be elected because they do not understand that the city of chicago can't pay their current pension obligations and is just blowing smoke up the asses of the uninformed. Sorry to say your vote will be wasted.

1/10/2017 01:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Slogan should be thanks for the free ride your backs.

1/10/2017 01:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just listened to Democratic Dick "dick" Durbin question Sessions during his first day of USAG confirmation hearings. All he cares about is the poor folks still locked up federally under the crack cocaine sentencing guidleines which have since been reduced. Another crybaby democrat. Cant help but notice what sore losers my true democratic friends are. Protest after protest.
We wonder why the State of IL is soooo fucked up.... Fukr shoudl be screaming about the violence in Chicago today and try and save some lives.... OK I have wasted enough of my time..
Tune into the hearings and listen to Sessions pro-police comments.... Worth your time!

1/10/2017 01:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is simple

16% over 4 years PERIOD!

1/10/2017 01:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lift residency and our Mt Greenwood, Garfield Ridge, or edgebrook houses will tumble in value.

1/10/2017 01:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Leave residency where it's at so our police / fire neighborhoods don't go to shit. How about proposing a property tax credit - 30% off assessed value or something. It would encourage police investment in the city.

1/10/2017 01:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Need a complete house cleaning of the entire FOP Board. That would be so fitting since Dean was on the only other FOP Board in 2002 where every incumbent was not re-elected.

1/10/2017 01:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tax after tax after tax increase. Property city state county.. we NEVER get enough of a raise to keep up. Let me move out. I'll drive and it will be worth every second of not having to live here. And since when have we EVER had any rights equal to those of the criminal. Screwed every way and then some. Anyone thinking of taking this job please take it anywhere other than Chicago Crook County. Think about it, what job threatens your freedom and livelihood let alone your safety. Not one politician will have your back ever. We are thug feed.

1/10/2017 02:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dont even begin negotiations until the city agrees to lower merit spots to 10% across the board. This is the single biggest problem this department faces.

1/10/2017 02:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Youngest Police Force in The Nation is no match for Dean Angelo. They're young bodies will be exposed & used for whatever Dean's plans are for his Family. We have never had a decent contract since I've been on. The bargaining unit should be called something else that truly describes what they do which is pimp out "The Pusher." The Pusher of the beat car that is. Patrol is the backbone of this semi military organization, but Our Patrol division is anemic and suffers from an osteoporosis caused by the very peeps that should be looking out for Us.
Something has to be done or We will once again follow Our Destiny and repeat!
Look at Ernie Brown for instance. If Ernie stayed on The Dept until he was 55 he'd would have only collected a few pension checks. That should scare the shit out of anyone otj.
Deputy John Thomas was 52 when he checked out. As a young man in my twenties I looked at Deputy Thomas's pic in The Times and he was aged.
Eddie Vedder is 52 and looks 25 years Deputy Thomas's junior. My juxtaposition of those two is to stick together and finally win a contract against this ungrateful City Management of The CPD.

1/10/2017 02:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dean "I got your back" Angelo means I'm going to destroy your asshole. Mikey screwed us with a year back pay, Dean will screw us even more.

1/10/2017 03:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
29 YEARS IS WAY TOO LONG!!! Everyone knows the pension is the most important issue, but supposedly it's been fixed, right? Aside from the pension the main focus the FOP should be working on is lowering the max out time from 29 years to 25 years. 29 years is absolutely way to many years for a police officer working in a major city. Huge burnout factor. The majority of police departments across America max out at 20-25 years. New York maxs out at 20 years and Chicago cops are exposed to a lot more violence. We are forced to reside here so lower the time on the job. Also getting our final step raise needs to come down too. If the city wants to change our discipline protections then we better ask for the world in return. 29 years on this job is ridiculous! FOP you need to bring this down to 25 years. I'm surprised I don't hear more cops talking about this. This is like adding time to our lives. We really need to press for this. Go for big raises too. How about lift residency after 10 or 15 years of service?

1/10/2017 12:52:00 AM

&&&&

Who is your state rep? How about you show us the way. May state rep says no way. Maybe yours is better.

1/10/2017 03:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Some of the promotions were on the recent Lt's list lies in blatant contradiction to that of Six Flags management. It's common for a character like Elmer Fud to show how tall one must be to ride certain attractions. Cowboy Roy from Belmont is several inches too short to ride the attractions but no problem to be a Lt on merit.
His Sister will be made soon too begging the question of why don't these families that qualify as CPD Royalty go into medicine and cure a disease for Humanity? Build Architecture or eliminate traffic since they so routinely beat every exam given by this City? A dude that passed the Sgt exam in like 2003 told me if not a cop he would have obtained an engineering degree from M.I.T. I laughed believing Chicago's Prince Charles to be joking but I was scolded by The Royals(Royals, but U certainly won't be their Queen Bey.)
Families that exemplify the phrase "never had a bad day on this job is who this particular gig is meant for. When Lt. Giarango(retired)used to be on his Nephew Benny's Show in The UK no one said anything about Lil Jaws.
Ask not what U can do for this job, but what this job can do for you
Stay Safe & Fight The Police Royalty

1/10/2017 03:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So now we have to do a 2 page mental report and fax when no other report is needed? More useless paper to tie cops down.

1/10/2017 03:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Totally agree, 29 and a day has to go, especially here in this shitty. 25 is acceptable. 20 would be a dream, To get something you have to give something, so I know we will be giving something up in this contract, whoever negotiates it better go fucking high with demands and a 1% fucking raise a year is a shit offer, raises should start at 4% a year

1/10/2017 03:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I brought it up to deans team about being able to move out of city after 20 yrs of service, where I can live in Dupage and still work CPD without any residency ramifications, it was shot down and not even considered. Why is that so crazy? Whoever negotiates this next contract needs be crystal clear about residency, can it be negotiated or not and if not WHY???

1/10/2017 03:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

most of what the city is asking for is not that big of a deal.

agree to some of it for things that are meaningful like residency, faster retirement, and a fairer promotion system.

might be a few things you want to fight against but really they have to give you something if they want something from you.

1/10/2017 03:51:00 PM  
Blogger Truth Teller said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
We're screwed if the current FOP under the leadership of "silent Dean Angelo" is negotiating our contract.

1/10/2017 12:10:00 AM


??????

The above post is an urban legend. Do this for your self. Google Dean Angelo and limit the search conditions to the last 33 months. Do the same for Mike Shields tenure and then do the same for the nine years that Mark Donahue was president.

Do not go back to John Dineen because Al Gore had not yet invented the internet.

You will be surprised how little Mark was ever published. If you run Shields name but delete the hits about being removed from office and his claims that Donahue and Dougherty rigged contracts and were in bed with the city it’s not a lot of hits. Then run Angelo. He’s all over the place. So why the mis-perception? Probably because doesn’t say stupid stuff. He is far from silent.

Also food for thought? Do you think Rahm is putting pressure on the press? Look for the ballerina to say he will implement the entire DOJ report BEFORE there is a consent decree.

I have to rate your post 4 out of 5 Pinocchio's.

1/10/2017 03:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why in the hell would they even think about allowing anonymous complaints? So ridiculous

1/10/2017 04:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
As we've seen contracts mean nothing to the city. Cr's were never destroyed after the agreed time period. Now its accepted practice. We gave something up without negotiating and received nothing in return.

1/10/2017 05:56:00 AM

****

Grievances were filed in 2010 and 2011 but Ag-u-liar never lifted a finger on those. I believe the 2010 one was filed under Donahue and the 2011 was under Shields. Rich Ag-u-liar did nothing under either president except argue with the membership at general meetings.

1/10/2017 04:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

New York lets you leave at 20 years and begin collecting right away regardless of how old you are. So, You can be 42 and begin collecting 50 percent. New York is just like us, in order to max out you have to do 29 and a day. The only 2 differences is you can start collecting at 20 years regardless of your age and their pension is paid into. Their politicians have not been steeling from their pension like the Daley Crime family has been doing for the last 20 years. I am not sure how New York handles retiree medical insurance.

1/10/2017 04:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So now we have to do a 2 page mental report and fax when no other report is needed? More useless paper to tie cops down.

1/10/2017 04:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Enough with the "lift residency after 10 year" crowd.

It should be lifted from Day 1.

1/10/2017 04:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

nonymous said...
Funny how the "new centurians" think 29 years is too long to max out. Some of us remember when you needed 32 years to collect a pension. The pension is earned not given so stop complaining and do your time, otherwise quit.

1/10/2017 10:33:00 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I see nothing wrong with negotiating for things, even if you hit a brick wall repeatedly. If you look at the pension set up of the state police and suburban police agencies you will see that they can retire earlier with a larger pension then Chicago and they don't have residency requirements. I say keep trying. Father Faker probably will be sitting at the negotiating table with the city this year. Ask for it all and keep asking for it.

1/10/2017 04:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Funny how the "new centurians" think 29 years is too long to max out. Some of us remember when you needed 32 years to collect a pension. The pension is earned not given so stop complaining and do your time, otherwise quit.

1/10/2017 10:33:00 AM

Boy are you a one way dip shit! Just because you were born long before the rest of us and had to do 31 years, you feel we should too. That's absolutely stupid. Times have changed great grandpa. CPD needs to get up to par with the other agencies and max out at 20-25 years. The city can get this done by asking Springfield to change it. I'd hate to own a business with you. Now go change your underwear.

1/10/2017 05:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Residency must be lifted. Your homes in garfield ridge already have seen property values drop. Deal with it.

1/10/2017 05:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Anonymous Anonymous said...
Residency.

1/10/2017 07:20:00 AM

I keep hearing people harp on residency. I'll be the first to admit it sucks to have to live in this taxed-to -the-hilt city.
However if residency were ever lifted our house values would decrease substantially. If you think about it we're very much in a catch 22..... but nobody wants to see the value of their house plummet.

1/10/2017 05:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

End the gold braid pension. It will save the pension, last pensionable rank is your civil service rank.

Also to the blue whoever crew running for FOP I mean come on dude I read your post dean 'may be heading down to Florida January 12th' your article was written 06 JAN. I'm not a dean guy or a fan of his but fair is fair dude. No need to make up shit.

Final point is retirees should only be able to vote for 1 or 2 trustees who will handle retiree issues. It is complete BS that retirees can vote for our president when most have never seen an in car camera let alone a body cam.

1/10/2017 05:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ATTENTION DEAN ANGELO JR.... YOU KNOW YOUR READING THIS... Maybe you can explain this to your father. This is going to be the most important contract in the history of the once proud Chicago Police Department. Residency would be great, but do you feel like having a disciplinary process that will get you fired quicker than it took to buy your new house in northbrooke. I don't. Tell your father that if they want the Police to actually Police in this environment with body cameras and ISR's and all the other "new policing" world we now live in, he better negotiate at least a serious pay raise. Fuck the new cars and better equipment bull shit. That again means nothing when you can be fired and sent to prison for absolutely nothing. So again, Dean Angelo Jr. sit your old man down and try to explain to him the importance. Thanks a lot

1/10/2017 06:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This new contract is doomed from the beginning. The City has already won Assholes talking about residency lowering time for pensions. We need real labor lawyers to protect our rights to have a lawyer present during any investigation against us The right to refuse any questions that may hurt us. The right to refused an order to take a breathalyzes only used in administration hearing bullshit the courts now allow test in criminal proceedings the right to show all videos and not black out the fools faces they show ours. Raises time off vacation days Double time triple time I could go on & on but I am not a labor lawyer but I know the City has decent ones who will want to waste hundrens of hours on dumb things and leaving importants things fall to the side and then laugh at us as time runs out and nothing is settle leaving us with less

1/10/2017 06:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So is the FOP even talking with the city about contract issues? I highly doubt it. They usually don't start till long after it expires and it gets settled 2-3 years later. I won't hold my breath. However, I agree that 29 a day way too long. Bring this down.

1/10/2017 06:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

(OT) dishonest media stirring up more lies and bullshit front story what do they want another payout:

http://www.fox32chicago.com/news/crime/228313524-story

It's a prank now another lawsuit on tap!

1/10/2017 06:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

lets start at a 25% raise over 4 years ,max out at 25 years , get rid of residency, health care for retirees, and no more of the tier medical insurance full benefits no matter where you go...than they can post my face on the news and strip me when i get into a shooting and il talk right away after im involved in a shooting...i dont do shit anyways so chances of that is low..
stay fetal

1/10/2017 06:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
New York lets you leave at 20 years and begin collecting right away regardless of how old you are. So, You can be 42 and begin collecting 50 percent. New York is just like us, in order to max out you have to do 29 and a day. The only 2 differences is you can start collecting at 20 years regardless of your age and their pension is paid into. Their politicians have not been steeling from their pension like the Daley Crime family has been doing for the last 20 years. I am not sure how New York handles retiree medical insurance.

1/10/2017 04:08:00 PM

Not sure, but I don't think they get Cost-of-Living raises. Major issue, particularly if you retire young.

1/10/2017 06:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lift residency. Will attract more recruits & make this job more palatable...

1/10/2017 06:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Residency now. Sorry for those living in copland but my family deserves to live somewhere decent. Besides your home values aren't that great already.

1/10/2017 07:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Residency is a huge topic now. With all the retirements going on, officers are leaving at 20 yrs of service. They are taking thier years of experience and either taking it to Departments that are hiring certified officers or moving out of state and working until they can collect thier pension. If the "Department" wants to retain experience officers they should allow them exemption to the residency and have it negotiated. I wonder how many aldercreatures have homes outside of the city??

1/10/2017 07:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Waste of time to bargain for Residency, 16%-4 yr, and free medical.
We're likely to get 8%-4, No Med beyond retirement, Eliminated Duty Avail, added Discipline and pension contributions, and maybe we can get 30 new vehicles and year'round knit skull caps.
Lifting residency probably won't happen under a Democrat unless there's a substantial 30% Exit Tax.
But who wants to spent an hour in traffic each way just to get from a suburb to a Chicago ghetto District?
What point is living in Pk Rdge or on any Chicago border, you'll still be thisclose to shitsville and City taxes will soon be in sync with suburbs without the bigger yard and distant school.
No, home values will not shrink if every city employee moves out of Mt.GW, Garf or Ed Pk.
Plenty of eager civilian buyers seeking a chance to buy in the scant market in these area.
Mult-offers above asking price and 1-2 week listing is very common in ED Pk.
There will never be an abandoned sect 8 home outside of the current ghettos, although those boundaries are rapidly expanding due to Rahm's pandering and proposed transit opportunities.

1/10/2017 07:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I did 40years, and loved everyday, more fun then riverview made the job work 4 me!

1/10/2017 07:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I recommend not voting for any retirees to represent you as a working officer.

The retiree can be on the picnic committee but contracts cmon!

Do you think the care about:
5th watch in the 1 st district?
E.T.'s work load?
FTO's pay and working condition?
Merit picks?
actual pay raises?
Manpower?
dash cam video?
stripping working officer after a shooting?
officer shooting investigations?
officer phones being taken as evidence?

I know you worked with them 10 years back and they were nice guys at the fishing tournament.

put some thought anyone but a retiree! Don't worry guys on the job now worry about all the above and pension & medical insurance. The retirees no longer have insurance because of the past few regimes full of retirees who were slow and inept.

Dont forget DEAN also did not put a lawsuit to get back pay for everyone! a patrol officer did it on his own and won for all of us.

1/10/2017 07:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"But who wants to spent an hour in traffic each way just to get from a suburb to a Chicago ghetto District?"

Let people be able to choose if they want to do that. Obviously you don't want to. Don't ruin it for everyone else.

1/10/2017 07:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dean is off to Florida with Bill Nolan and John Dineen and who knows how many others to allow retirees to in Florida to come back to the FOP without paying their back dues. This is just an attempt to garner support with those retorees who stopped paying dues and now want back into the union. I have one question; What about all the retirees who have been faithfully paying every year since their retirement? This move is a slap in the face and a kick in the balls to everyone of those retirees. No different than rewarding those who came to this country illegally versus those who did it within the law. Nothing more than a stunt to get more votes for the election in April. I guess Dean figures if nobama can campaign on the taxpayers dime he can campaign on our dime.

1/10/2017 08:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To all the "residency" issue posters, get realistic. It's not fair, I understand that, bit on the list of unfair things about this stupid job and joke of a city it's not very high on the unfair list.The city will never let that one go, so why torture yourself over it.Pension and insurance are infinitely more important issues for ALL members, active and retiref. Getting to live outside the city isn't gonna be much fun if you have to pay more, work longer and not have a full pension or shitty healthcare.

1/10/2017 08:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We are the only department in the nation to still have residency.

1/10/2017 08:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why not get experienced labor attorneys to do this?

1/10/2017 08:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm sure Dean is gonna cave and take whatever tiny dancer offers.

1/10/2017 09:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Drop the college requirement no shortage of applicants with no criminal records or previous drug use you learn everything in the academy or on the job.

1/10/2017 09:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Brock Merck for president. He will drive the lil 9.5 midget crazy!

1/10/2017 09:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Residency is non negotiable. It's LAW...labor contract doesn't trump LAW. This is the same answer to the same stupid suggestion from the last who knows how many contracts. As for changing the retirement to 25 for 75% - again, it's LAW. Pension issues are all governed by state law, not labor contracts. Quit wasting your breath.

1/10/2017 09:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I sure hope he doesn't get duped again by having new squad cars put into the contract.

1/10/2017 10:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Eliminate residency-then what?
The waste is the City boundaries are divided now-especially most districts rub shoulders with suburban towns and villages...look real close the suburbs are just City of Chicago extensions...
The rats are running from the City out to the suburbs day in/day out.
Dumbass white boys and girls travel in score garbage quality street heroin, crack, coke whatever and all it's doing is feeding the street gangs pocket while a few customers OD and die...dumb white kids!!
Why not buckle down in your neighborhood as Mt Greenwood has now tried and proven that the residents there won't stand by for that loosing steam power called BLM.
Eliminating residency isn't the answer. Keep your house tight and right. Clean that snow off the sidewalks, keep the trash out of the street and curbs. Come springtime, throw down some grass seed and starter fertilizer and OH! DO NOT FORGET TO APPLY GRUBEX!! My yard got killed last year-first time ever and this house is in the family since 1967.
Keep your garbage cans closed tight so those rats I mentioned loose their food supply..
Know where your kids are as best possible 24x7...
This is just a start of all things that could somehow turn around right.
Give it a shot 'cuz you got plenty to loose...

Retired, 30+

1/10/2017 10:26:00 PM  
Blogger The Song Remains The Same said...

I came on at 22, and have 2 years to go till I hit 55. I'd like to leave earlier but I need the health care (hopefully it's still there).
Officers have to think before they harp on the raises & residency nonsense!
Protect your legal rights! It's easy to say, "I'm not doing anything, so I won't need legal representation ". I guarantee you, no one walks out of roll call planning on getting in a shooting, but shit happens.
You can bet the city is gonna try to destroy our legal rights.
Do NOT give in!!
Residency is NEVER going away.
Raises will be minimal.
Deans response to the city on this issue was "open the checkbook"?
F that!!!!
Protect your rights cuz the bullshit reverends, phony ass pfleger and the rest of the race hustlers are gunning for us!

1/10/2017 10:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
nonymous said...
Funny how the "new centurians" think 29 years is too long to max out. Some of us remember when you needed 32 years to collect a pension. The pension is earned not given so stop complaining and do your time, otherwise quit.

1/10/2017 10:33:00 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank god your not involved in our negotiations. I guess nothing should change for the better right? I'm guessing you're probably still upset that women are allowed to vote now too? What a pleasure you must be.

1/10/2017 11:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the guy who said who wants to drive for an hour in traffic ...I DO. I will sit 2 hours in traffic to live away from this city. Or take Metra in .

1/10/2017 11:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Waste of time to bargain for ending residency unfortunately.......It is part of the contract....article 27 page 47 of the contract. We could bargain with the City to have it removed and give up what exactly for that benefit? Health care? duty availability? raises? pension? medical? I'm not sure what members would agree to give up to end residency. Maybe the City would do it to be "nice"...not likely! More officers than you think are in favor of keeping residency anyway. We could possibly sue because its unconstitutional perhaps. Other departments have been successful to that end. Lowering the retirement age and compressing wages......same thing what would we give up for that? It was already compressed from 33 and a day to 29 and a day about 10 years ago. People that come on now are in a new pension tier and pay longer, retire later (penalty before age 55), and receive a lower max percentage. Health care, raises, protecting ourselves from lawsuits, medical, etc basically keeping the benefits we currently have should be our biggest concern. All the babble about what other dept have....doesn't make much sense. Comparing our pension solvency to others is like apples to oranges. We are way worse off than them so lets get more people onto the pension system at a high rate sooner........yeah that will happen (do you watch the news/look at a paper?).

1/10/2017 11:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

WOW

so may real estate expert who barely own their house they live in that is underwater.

Let me guess?

you have a 500 dollar deductible on your house?
You took out loans on your primary house to pay for you kids college?
you 2nd marriage and youd were convinced to have more kids?
you stood married for 10 year so your partner get a nice piece of that juicy pension?

SO because of these thing we should not negotiate residency? Classic... and you probably still ask question on your watch bid after 20 years?

1/10/2017 11:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Get prepared for Rahm to offer a "generous" 1-2% a year over the next 5 years.

1/10/2017 11:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The urban death cultists are out of control
because everyone wants The Police to leave
them alone.

The Community says:

"Stop harassing and targeting us for enforcement
or else we're gonna be counting your pension money
and living in your houses while you rot in federal
prison for harassing and targeting us for enforcement."

The Policeman says:
"Mmmm... Ok..."

"Police Department!
One step to the rear...
MARCH!"

>Stomp!<

"Police Department!
Pa-RADE...
REST!"

>Clasp!<

The joyful haters, assorted talk-shits
and swing-dicks cheer loudly at taking
on The Police and "winning."

Then the unintended consequences of the
bland, flavorless, strictly-by-the-numbers
Policing arrives at their table with an
eye-popping butcher's bill.

Is that enough to give these ignorant m/fers pause?

No.
It ain't.

They're demanding a seat at the Police contract
negotiating table as retribution for finally getting the
Policing they've been demanding for years.

Hands-off.
A step back.
Leave them alone.

"De-fund the Police and give the money to us!"
(We spit whenever we drive by Rahm's monuments
to Police De-funding and political pandering
like the new Malcolm 10, the new DePaul arena
and others.)

And the tragically comedic thread that is woven
through all of the FUCKERY at hand?

"How can we make the Cops get out of their cars
and put hands on the corner-hangers and get all
up in their business like they used to after we
made such a show out of making it detrimental to
the Cops employment, assets, reputation and
well-being? Now they're Policing strictly by
the letter and intent of state (and federal)
law and it's fucking up our agenda because
we're having too hard of a time using that
as a weapon against them!"

Yeah...
What else ya got?

1/11/2017 12:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's gotta be one person saying "lift residency" right? I'd hate to live in some of these shit suburbs. Good luck with that. I like my republican neighbors.

1/11/2017 12:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

With the residency, give us chumps who bought a shit stake in Chicago and have been paying taxes, a sizable stipend and severance pay because must of us only bought because of the residency requirement

1/11/2017 04:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

New York lets you leave at 20 years and begin collecting right away regardless of how old you are. So, You can be 42 and begin collecting 50 percent. New York is just like us, in order to max out you have to do 29 and a day. The only 2 differences is you can start collecting at 20 years regardless of your age and their pension is paid into. Their politicians have not been steeling from their pension like the Daley Crime family has been doing for the last 20 years. I am not sure how New York handles retiree medical insurance.

Good thing you have this job because you are one of Jerry's kids. New York's max pension is 50% at 20 years. Stay for 40 years you get 50%. They also get social security when they hit 62. Shut the fuck up and go suck your thumb.

1/11/2017 07:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
29 YEARS IS WAY TOO LONG!!! Everyone knows the pension is the most important issue, but supposedly it's been fixed, right? Aside from the pension the main focus the FOP should be working on is lowering the max out time from 29 years to 25 years. 29 years is absolutely way to many years for a police officer working in a major city. Huge burnout factor. The majority of police departments across America max out at 20-25 years. New York maxs out at 20 years and Chicago cops are exposed to a lot more violence. We are forced to reside here so lower the time on the job. Also getting our final step raise needs to come down too. If the city wants to change our discipline protections then we better ask for the world in return. 29 years on this job is ridiculous! FOP you need to bring this down to 25 years. I'm surprised I don't hear more cops talking about this. This is like adding time to our lives. We really need to press for this. Go for big raises too. How about lift residency after 10 or 15 years of service?

1/10/2017 12:52:00 AM

I agree. 25 and out for 75% or 29 and a day gets you 80%. How about dropping the 55 insurance to 25 years of service regardless of age for 2% and free at 55

1/10/2017 09:37:00 AM
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Sounds great, huh? Well get this and be prepared for an additional 4 percent in individual pension contributions, or don't increase the contributions and watch the pension fund get depleted even quicker. Try to think enough to understand consequences of actions.

1/11/2017 07:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Eddie Vedder is 52 and looks 25 years Deputy Thomas's junior. My juxtaposition of those two is to stick together and finally win a contract against this ungrateful City Management of The CPD.

Where in the fuck did I put that bottle of Jack?

1/11/2017 07:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lets lift residency, get a 30% pay raise for 3 years, retire at max at any time any age and free health insurance for everybody. Oh don't forget everyone gets a free new car of their choice.

1/11/2017 07:38:00 AM  
Blogger The Insane Fish said...

Blogger Truth Teller said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
We're screwed if the current FOP under the leadership of "silent Dean Angelo" is negotiating our contract.

1/10/2017 12:10:00 AM


??????

The above post is an urban legend. Do this for your self. Google Dean Angelo and limit the search conditions to the last 33 months. Do the same for Mike Shields tenure and then do the same for the nine years that Mark Donahue was president.

Do not go back to John Dineen because Al Gore had not yet invented the internet.

You will be surprised how little Mark was ever published. If you run Shields name but delete the hits about being removed from office and his claims that Donahue and Dougherty rigged contracts and were in bed with the city it’s not a lot of hits. Then run Angelo. He’s all over the place. So why the mis-perception? Probably because doesn’t say stupid stuff. He is far from silent.

Also food for thought? Do you think Rahm is putting pressure on the press? Look for the ballerina to say he will implement the entire DOJ report BEFORE there is a consent decree.

I have to rate your post 4 out of 5 Pinocchio's.

1/10/2017 03:58:00 PM

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Do not go back to John Dineen because Al Gore had not yet invented the internet.

I spit my coffee out when I read this.

1/11/2017 08:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank god your not involved in our negotiations. I guess nothing should change for the better right? I'm guessing you're probably still upset that women are allowed to vote now too? What a pleasure you must be.

1/10/2017 11:03:00 PM


Now that you mention it, women voters were responsible for saddling us with B.J. Clinton, Jugears, and almost gave us Hillary.

1/11/2017 08:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Make sure all you young guys fall for the bullshit Retro pay of maybe 1 per cent. Be smart fight for your benefits, Rahm is going to try and screw you on your healthcare. What little raise you get will not help pay your tax increase and cell phone taxes. You need c to fight now for BENEFITS.

1/11/2017 09:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

1/10/2017 04:08:00 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
So now we have to do a 2 page mental report and fax when no other report is needed? More useless paper to tie cops down.

1/10/2017 04:17:00 PM

To jam you up also.

1/11/2017 09:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why do you care, you wouldn't be living in your neighborhood. Any sane person would leave the city.

1/11/2017 09:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
We are the only department in the nation to still have residency.

1/10/2017 08:28:00 PM

Not true.
We are among the few but not the only.

1/11/2017 09:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The song remains the same, said it perfectly.

Protect our contractual rights. Follow FBI procedures when it come to use of force and police involved shootings.

Trading protections and legal procedures for a small retro check or minimal pay increase is self defeating.



1/11/2017 11:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

can we sell our hours! how about ce time every day for paper work since we have to have isr done by end of tour.

1/11/2017 12:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Increase Pension Benefits by lowering the years worked- get a clue. Even with the extra money the city now puts in to the fund- the outflow of money is probably 80 million a year annually. Without the extra money from the city , the fund would have been belly up 2022 or so. Now , probably has a life span of 2030 or so. They have assets of 3 point something Billion- annuities of approximately 3.8 million or so annually, now look up how much is added to the fund every year. OK, increase your benefits - that you will never receive. They are not making up the difference in their investments which stink.

1/11/2017 01:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Give up the $1800 uniform allowance and ask for $1500 in a pay raise that is pensionable

1/11/2017 02:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

eliminate merit promotions for all ranks except detective
the merit politicians are now running cpd

1/11/2017 02:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

CPS Should be Leading the Way.


All you blue shirts...regardless of where you live...should be voting against every contract until the city gives up the Residency requirement.

You should be suing in Federal Court to have the No Strike Clause Removed.

You write me in for Local President.


Andrew J Petersen.

1/11/2017 05:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Residency, hey idiot some of us bought before the housing bubble burst! We didn't get second and triple mortgages you asshat and not all of us could stay fetal, sucking on our momma's tit (like you baby ass moran democrat libral f*cks) so give it a rest and think long term

1/11/2017 08:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The city screws up our health insurance and still some of you idiots wouldn't fight for residency. This department is a lost cause. Run as far as you can from it.

1/12/2017 01:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

CPS Should be Leading the Way.


All you blue shirts...regardless of where you live...should be voting against every contract until the city gives up the Residency requirement.

You should be suing in Federal Court to have the No Strike Clause Removed.

You write me in for Local President.


Andrew J Petersen.

1/11/2017 05:09:00 PM

It's not just a clause in the contract, it's state law that public safety personnel cannot strike.

1/12/2017 11:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

1/11/2017 02:08:00 PM

You're drunk Rham go home

1/12/2017 01:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Residency has been talked about since the 60's . Get over it , demand no exceptions for the clouted teachers and contract workers at city hall.

1/15/2017 03:40:00 PM  

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