Narcan Order Coming?
From an e-mail:
- ...heads up, new order is in the works to get us all trained with Narcan and no more OD dupes to the ambos. We will administer and transport ourselves. Order is written and just going through the approval with CFD and CPD.
And CFD is footing the bill for training and equiping us.
Any Waiver of Liability in the works? Supposedly, this is administered as a nasal spray. So what if the addict doesn't react? How many doses are we authorized to give?
What if the addict is so far gone, he ain't never coming back? Are we to pronounce them? Seems you need a paramedic for that.
What if he walks to your squad car for transport and goes down again, maybe this time a heart attack from the years of drug abuse. We're going to wait how longer for ambulance to arrive?
What if you walk him to the squad and he decides not to go? He's not in custody, so what's the liability if he walks off and dies later? He already ingested the drugs, so what's the PC to detain him?
Let's go full-on stupid - what if you don't get there fast enough for Rahm, the junkie dies and someone says you deliberately slow-rolled the response knowing it was "just an OD, just another junkie." Who's going to make that determination - the DOJ? We're risking our careers, livelihood and property for someone who purposefully, willingly puts poison in their bodies?
Even better, will an ISR be completed?
So many questions, so much liability.
What if the addict is so far gone, he ain't never coming back? Are we to pronounce them? Seems you need a paramedic for that.
What if he walks to your squad car for transport and goes down again, maybe this time a heart attack from the years of drug abuse. We're going to wait how longer for ambulance to arrive?
What if you walk him to the squad and he decides not to go? He's not in custody, so what's the liability if he walks off and dies later? He already ingested the drugs, so what's the PC to detain him?
Let's go full-on stupid - what if you don't get there fast enough for Rahm, the junkie dies and someone says you deliberately slow-rolled the response knowing it was "just an OD, just another junkie." Who's going to make that determination - the DOJ? We're risking our careers, livelihood and property for someone who purposefully, willingly puts poison in their bodies?
Even better, will an ISR be completed?
So many questions, so much liability.
Labels: dumb ideas
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
139 Comments:
I'll do it, but I want 20k more per year.
Most addicts flip out when administered narcan. They don't want it. They want the high.
Indianapolis went to this several years ago. It usually takes more than one dose as the heroin is more synthetic now or they also took Xanax. Its administered in a spray up the nose. The stuff the we carry rarely works anymore.
They need more ambulances per firehouse. 16 years ago I got EMT-BASIC cert. there were 90% medical calls, 7% fire and 3 % haz mat...WHy does a whole fire truck have to show up to help with one person ill? Cross train the fire people to all be emt-paramedic and put two ambos at each fire house. If there is a big fire.. dispatch an adjacent rig....There is enough manpower to do this in the cfd. Cpd needs the manpower...the cop has to handle every kind of bs....not medical. If we do medical we would need a guard unit in place to watch our backs while we work on patient. I would do it for a lot more money and voluntary.
I don't have to worry about it... I'm not a doctor, don't even play one on TV I'm not touching anyone Or hasn't Rahm figured that out yet?
Hmmm...
So much fuckery and progressive feel-goodery
being overwritten onto The Police hard-drive.
Kinda like that scene in Robocop when they
were scrolling through Murphy's O/S and were
amazed at the amount of bullshit that was
overwritten on his Police hard-drive rendering
him unable to take appropriate Police action.
Policemen have no damned business administering
Narcan... Mission creep that is fraught with peril.
A little darling of one of Rahm's backers or media
water carriers must've taken a bad ride on the white horse.
All of these new policies are being written to screw you over and get people hurt. There's too much to keep track of and remember. Make sure you sign out a taser, log on to the in car camera and record the start of tour message, sync the mics, remember to turn on your body camera every interaction, etc. And if you forget to do one of those things you get in trouble. No matter what you do, they'll find something to screw you on if they want to. Cops forget to do things unless they do them every day. Cops are gonna be second guessing themselves to make sure everything is working instead of taking action in a chaotic situation which could get somebody killed. They're putting all of these policies in place so they can eventually fry a few cops and then turn around and say to the public that they're disciplining those dirty ole cops especially now since the DOJ report came out. Anything to appease the reverends and ministers who in return get their people out to vote for them. Anybody coming on now has to wonder if its worth it, all for just a job so you can pay your bills. Its gonna be hard to avoid getting suspended from now on. Every time a cop gets suspended the city gets some of its money back and they're looking to cash in. And the FOP will do nothing at all to help out the members which proves that our lodge is being taken care of by the city to bark a little but not bite. Rant over.
It's almost as if they are purposely trying to destroy the CPD .
I dont believe this,You cant or don't transport unless you have an Ambulance transport where some one is monitoring and assessing the patient,If you transport a drunk and put them in the wagon and they choke on their vomit its the Citys fault,When they are drunk and passed out never transport its a CFD job this is ridiculous use common sense.
So now besides being the police, marriage counselor, psychologist, surrogate parent, etc, we are also suppose to be EMTs.
If there is any truth to this, it is wrong on so many levels.
I typed a bunch of paragraphs, but deleted them. I just can't grasp any part of this, that doesn't dry fuck the cops on the street.
This isn't a cops job. 911 calls go to the cops or the ambulance, that's the call takers job.
I see this as a way for tiny dancer to start reducing CFD, the way he has strangled CPD.
I truly feel sorry for the way you are treated in this city. Let it be known, you are appreciated, and respected by many.
Not a cop.
We are not doctors, nurses, or paramedics. I am not giving anything to someone who chose to be a junkie. They are the Walking Dead so let them enter the next life without the interference of the police.
Unless we are completely indemnified, you'd be a damn fool to even think about administering this shit to some bustout dope fiend.
And what about those of us that don't feel comfortable, even after being "trained", with being responsible for this? If I wanted to administer life-saving medicine to junkies I would've been a paramedic.
Seriously, I think FOP needs to get involved if this comes to fruition. I personally don't feel this should be mandatory training/responsibility for coppers, and that we should be able to opt out of participation.
I would base my argument on the fact that I am trained in CPR but I'd never dream of do mouth-to-mouth resuscitation on some ghetto motherfucker. Nor will I try to tourniquet a GSW. Same goes for CIT training. Sure the department may want to, or even mandate training, but a one day crash course doesn't certify me in dealing with something people go to school and study psychology and psychiatry for.
I am a police officer, not a paramedic and not a psychiatrist. It's bad enough that I already have to play the roll of marriage counselor, parent/disciplinarian, eviction crew, taxicab, animal control officer etcetera. I believe this would stand a legal challenge if it got to that point. Anybody versed in law and smarter than my dumbass have any input?
From an EMS provider stand point there's absolutely no reason in hell anyone but 2 paramedics on an ambulance should transport a narcotic OD. Except maybe if we can't get there fast enough and it's your family member and your down the street form the hospital. The intranasal narcan is very simple you just attach the nasial cone to the pre loaded syringe, then give half in one side of the nose and half in the other. But if it's the good stuff that might just bring the OD back to breathing on their own, or do nothing at all, and that's it it's just one time in each side of the nose, next up they need it through an IV. It can also make them fully awake and very violent, to the point we sedate them with versed, or need police assistance. Most of the time they vomit as well and have a huge risk of aspirating that vomit. And if they do fully come around they CAN NOT EVER refuse transport, multiple times this is why police are needed to put them under protected custody to get to the hospital, and this is the EMS medical directors policy. It is also policy anytime a medication is given, even if it is someone who just gets an nebulizer with albuterol for an asthma treatment there mush be a call to a hospital to get approval for the patient to refuse transport. As far as reports go it is Illinois Department of Public Health policy a patient care report must be completed if a drug is administered. So is having it and using it a good thing? Yea sure maybe it will save a few people and get a feel good story. But should CPD have anything to do with transportation? God no that's going to be the biggest law suit ever. It's like if you did CPR used an AED, saved the person and now had the policy of well he's awake now let's take him to the hospital
Sorry, you can train me until the cows come home but I will never administer anything to anyone who has not authorized it and signed a form releasing me of all liability. Im guessing that the affected person will not be in any condition to do that. The "good samaritan law" won't apply and I doubt the city is going to buy us all malpractice insurance. And yes, I know paramedics do it everyday without problems but thats the job they signed up for and were extensively trained for. The DOJ just said we weren't trained adequately for the job we did sign up for and now the brain trust that fucked that up wants us to take on a whole new job description?
I'm not a doctor but I play one at work.
Not true
I was not hired as a paramedic. I hate needles. Want me to chase a bad guy with a gun? Got it. Want me to stick a junkie with a needle? Not happening! I will pass out and throw up...and not in that order.
I've had friends and family OD on junk and can honestly say...I'm sorry...but they did it to themselves. I miss and love them but I don't feel sorry for them. We are supposed to uphold the law not protect junkies from fucking up
This goes so far beyond stupid it strains the bounds of believability. Is anyone paying attention to who is running this shitshow? You can "what-if?" this to death and still have a very bad idea. What next? Lay off some paramedics? we obviously can train the big bad police to do their job.
They want us to do it so fire can keep saying "were not going"!
This is a perfect example as to how messed up this city is and run by lefty Liberals!
You want Police to save junkies lives, who on purpose take illegal powerful drugs!
Yet, the city of Chicago takes away retiree medical health care insurance!
I hate this city! I tell all those fools that want to be the Police to go to another city and State, if possible!
Chicago will do nothing more than kick you in the nuts and does NOT take care of their city employees! Remember this the next time some "bosshole" wants any activity!
Da Pelon
Hmmmm
What does the contract say ? When is the contract going to be binding for both parties /
And if it's not when can a labor action take place ?
i got's some Neo-Synephrine... does that count???
What about the EVENT NUMBER?
Can we possibly get a pay increase for all of our medical expertise. Lets see, CIT trained psychologist, many carry tourniquets and other life saving equipment, use of defibulaters (sp?) and now Narcon. Lets not forget that once Narcon is administered, there is a good chance that the subject may become agitated and combative. CFD refusing to come is utter bullshit.
Nothing surprises me anymore but I'm calling bullshit
say good by to cars and SUVs, everybody gets a wagon/amb. your shoulder patch will say Chicago Police/Paramedic. its a brave new world.
Another very stupid idea that borders on the insane. Nothing surprises me anymore though.
So on top of being a psychologist, now we'll be paramedics, crisis intervention specialists, officer friendly 24 hrs a day, social worker.......
Another twist. Narcotic OD people often wake up quite violent and angry after Narcan is administered. Not sure if it's because the sudden change from being high to feeling very low or what? Paramedics typically restrain them. What are PO's supposed to do? Cuff em? Tase em? Another can of worms opened with no answers.
Narcan- Use only if during your fetal tour of duty you or your partner experience extreme fatigue ,sleepiness or sheer boredom...
I'm not even touching a junkie let alone adminstering anything to one. Get the fuck outta here!
Maybe certain districts can have a Narcan car on each watch. Some districts have so many ODs per day that you'll be running from call to call. Another over reaction to a non-police problem. Just because some suburbs do it, doesn't mean we should. Also another example of relieving everyone else of their responsibility, just like the tourniquet and IFAKs to treat gun shot victims. It's bullshut.
I'll take a pass.
I would like to hear from the suburban and other departments (officers) that are already doing this. Like in Lake County. http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20170114/news/170119301/ Wondering what they were told when this was rolled out for their departments, because SCC questions are good ones.
Another dumb idea and a reason to blame the police when it goes wrong.
Yeah, another watch a ten minute video and you're fully trained.
When do we get epipens and training? A lot more good would come from saving someone having an allergic reaction than an OD. Why is narcan bring subsidized to free while epis are not?
Don't listen to the bullshit rumors.
The Rahm people won't pay for bullet catching protective vests for paramedics but they will have the cfd pay for the training of police officers to do the job that paramedics have already done for 45 plus years?When narcan was saving the lives of addicts in the 70's,the police department in an article took credit for it by saying that it was due to better law enforcement from a city source.There are enough engines,trucks,and ambulances for a timely response to any addict related incident.Duplicity and redundicy at its best.The rural areas with volunteer etc.fire departments is another story.What is next......paramedics and firefighters to be given firearms training paid for by the police department?Liberalism is out of control!!!!!!!!!
So ridiculous. Let's spend time and resources and risk our jobs for drug addicts so the next day, they can do it all again. After we administer this, we should dump them on the front lawns of Rahm or the aldermen. Just don't understand society putting criminals and drug addicts before decent, hard working, law abiding citizens.
Believe it or not.. as someone in the medical field and seen it first hand, some get violent after you ruin their high.
How do other departments do it?
Dont worry about anything. The new CPD will train everyone. Also if you are sued Rahm has our backs.
CPD going to the suburban model........
The union and officers better deny training with this unless they are compensated for it like a dusty availability check. Officers in other city, states and suburbs receive additional pay for this as this attributes to a higher level of training. There is value in higher qualified training.
The idea that we're able to be held liable for something going wrong while attempting to perform first aid is a huge myth in this dept, developed by coppers that don't want to touch some dirty bloody hype or shooting victim, All we're required to do is call an ambulance yes, but your not liable for anything if your trying to help. It's in the good sameritan act. Not that I want to spend my day saving junkies ventilated gangbangers, but we won't have much of an argument against this when it comes.
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/ilcs3.asp?ActID=2076
What if his drug paraphernalia disappears like guns do, and when I arrive I don't recognize the symptoms as those of a drug overdose? Do I supply drugs to everyone suffering from some sort of medical condition just in case it's an overdose?
I will not carry and always call for cfd amb. They get more money for being emt trained in addition to their base salary let them earn it.
This is getting rediculous. About if bean counters who were never the police making these kinds of decisions. Why are officers taking on more responsibility without being paid? Same goes with CIT and any other b s a law enforcement officer shouldn't be doing. Why do the bean counters treat CPD like some small rural department? So, CFD is "footing" the bill. What does that mean? It's all comes out of the same city pocket. So CPD gets a lot more responsibility, that they aren't/wrent/won't be properly trained for. CFD, whose job it is and should be, gets a lot less. CPD and CFD continued to be paid the same and have the same pay scales, which is bullshit and always has been. Officers take on a shitload more possible legal ramifications from a cultures that already hates and despises them. Great idea! I'm all in!
Sec. 70. Law enforcement officers, firemen, Emergency Medical Technicians (EMTs) and First Responders; exemption from civil liability for emergency care. Any law enforcement officer or fireman as defined in Section 2 of the Line of Duty Compensation Act, any "emergency medical technician (EMT)" as defined in Section 3.50 of the Emergency Medical Services (EMS) Systems Act, and any "first responder" as defined in Section 3.60 of the Emergency Medical Services (EMS) Systems Act, who in good faith provides emergency care, including the administration of an opioid antagonist as defined in Section 5-23 of the Alcoholism and Other Drug Abuse and Dependency Act, without fee or compensation to any person shall not, as a result of his or her acts or omissions, except willful and wanton misconduct on the part of the person, in providing the care, be liable to a person to whom such care is provided for civil damages.
All valid questions and concerns, SCC. I foresee Officers getting put through the lawsuit ringer over this asinine order. Keep hustling you works, the house and job you will lose will be your own.
Sounds like a job for the paramedics and ambulances to me. And a contractual hold harmless agreement would be a must.
Narcan must be stored in a certain temperature environment range for maximum effectiveness. How are you going to do that in a squad car unless you keep it running at all times?
My guess is that CFD complained to Rahm that they are spending too much time on these types of calls and that CPD can handle them since they are first on the scene anyway. CFD probably sold it to Rahm as a way to save precious CFD resources. I'd say call for CFD anyway. CPD are not trained paramedics, who knows what else the person is suffering from, heart attack, stroke, diabetic incident. The list goes on and on. I will add more after talking to medical professionals that I know.
Hey FOP, where is my $2k a year pay increase JUST for the medical training?
Administering medication isn't what any of us singed up for.
If the deartment mandates LEMART, so we can apply it to citzens, then add another $2K on top.
Then of course there is the issue of CIT training that soon will be required. More $$$ please.
I guess we should revert back tonwhat ej says... We have more questions than answers at this time and this is something that makes me very concerned.
First that Lemart bullshit and they want us to start treating gsw victims cause all these goofs with the med packs on there Molly vests. Now this bullshit. What does CFD have to do?
I work on a suburban department and we have Narcan. I can't see you guys being forced to do the transport. Very easy to say he might have other medical conditions I can't evaluate, send in the ambulance. Much like we have AED's. if I bring a dude back from a heart attack the ambulance is transporting. Of course I'm being sarcastic. But with that being said, when it comes to OD's, we practice our ABC's a lot more now. Ambulance before cop.
I'm sure that we will get a 5% pay increase for those trained in this like the fire department gets for people with extra skills/training.
Hello Dean Angelo, are you there?
Dean, we need a leader, are you there?
And crickets from the FOP.
I never hear more pay for more responsibility?
Let see they want us carrying wound mesh for shootings
Narcan for hypes who overdose
searching buildings for bombs
investigating postal crimes a federal issues
cameras because i am racist and can't be trusted
ISR because i make up reason to investigate crime in area i don't live in
The amount of candidates to become police officers have plummeted yet insurance is being cut,pension is being voided and union right are being diminished!
SO what is the point? Time for RAHM and his thieves to pony up an i am talking big money in the 30 to 40 % range. If everyone wants your freedom and rights to not exist you should be compensated.
being recorded all day, forced confessions, no rights to lawyers, if you make a mistake its a lie automatically and being tracked all day by GPS.
SO who ever is running for FOP president lets see some issue covered?
All you retiree who want board money lets see some research and i don't mean a link to the sun-times.
Are you kidding me? The police are the scapegoats once again.a person willingly and unlawfully put a deadly drug into his body and the police are responsible for saving his life? Reviving him/her? Wow? What could go wrong? Lawyers must be licking their chops about now!
I can see why the CFD wants to dump them on the CPD.
However,the liability is staggering. How are non-medically trained personnel going to recognize other medical conditions these junkies have?
You're correct,SCC,(as you always are).
Another shining example of liberal ideological stupidity.
Chicago's ridiculous leftist,socialist policies are akin to wiping your ass with a hula hoop-the shit never ends.
Already happening in Du Page County. The mom of a dead junkie got the ear of the health dept. and it's being issued. It's temperature sensitive and has to be kept around room temp. That means no leaving it in a hot or cold car. Little glass vials, easily broken. Handle with care.
They say there are no side effects. I predict 10 years from now we will see tv ads from law firms, similar to the mesothelioma and vaginal mesh ones that run on Fox 32: "if you've been given narcan, you may be entitled to a settlement." Luckily, due to the survival rate of these idiots, the list of plaintiffs will be short.
We'll be looking for the order to be rescinded shortly after it's out. Then changed and rescinded again and again.
We better start getting more money if we're playing the part of a paramedic.
Transporting an OD to the ER in a squad w/o FD? I don't believe it.
It's an easy peasy lawsuit...not the narcan but the non medical attention receiving transport.
You cant transport unless you are given EMT training and have an Ambulance...
Forget the narcan When was the last time officers who have been on for some time were trained on new age CPR. Answer, never. Its a joke. The dept is 20 yrs behind times. Computers with windows 98 on them. No pool cars and the cars running are unsafe.Run Forest Run.
I will do it gladly BUT we had better see an enormous bump in pay on our next contract. If not go pound sand I am not trained nor do I want junkie juice all over me for a 2% raise.
The 018 District is in a RAP,We have 5 shoplifters,A CSA at Northwestern,3 accidents and a junkie Overdosing on Clark and Division,Squad I got a hand waver..
I may not be a doctor. But I did stay at a holiday inn once
I think we should just give them additional heroin or their choice of drug and say "Good-Bye"!!!!!1
Only if the training I get is top notch and indemnifies me
Sorry, whitey, you're my proof I'm not racist. I'm not a fucking doctor and not going to federal court because your ass OD'd and I got fucked trying to save you. "Squad, appears to be a seizure, get EMS rolling." They want us to save the world and still blame us for every problem. I didn't sign up to have needles infected with HIV/HEP-C being fought over when the narcan suddenlu kicks in like rocket fuel. Ever hear how one reacts to narcan? Doctors and EMS strap them down before administering but they demand we risk all as usual just to say we fucked something up.
Ambo don't pronounce dead people
Another democrat waste of money on democrats.
If someone is willing to go out of their way to inject or snort an illegal substance, let the Good Lord save them. It's in the rules.
Oh yeah-yeah, sure-sure, we are all dedicated to save property and lives no matter what during the course of our duties.
From CVS Pharm: "...44,000 die from accidental overdose each year, most from opioids..including controlled substances and heroin..."
They're not talking about productive members of society, even though there are many decent people with addictions all over.
In this case the use of Narcan might do some good but there will be judging and assessing that could have consequences.
There was a recent suburban Dept. that came upon a vehicle crash where the hyped up driver was resuscitated with Narcan, he'll go on to drive another night under the influence again.
Its like the IPOK medical kits we were issued for officer safety being used on ghetto shooting victims.
Chicago has ambulances, let them do their job and assist when necessary.
In my opinion, CPD utilizing Naloxone is another Democrat vote saver that is intended to keep the south of the open border drug cartels operating.
I've had friends and family OD on junk and can honestly say...I'm sorry...but they did it to themselves. I miss and love them but I don't feel sorry for them. We are supposed to uphold the law not protect junkies from fucking up
1/15/2017 03:24:00 AM
Sorry for your loss but you speak the truth. Striking, however, to note that thing called "responsibility" and you not blaming others. Juxtapose with people who blame the police for everything and when we react to their violence they cry foul and....wait for it..."you racist." Thanks again for your honesty and sorry for your losses.
And next year we will be trained to do emergency appendectomies.
Fuck that Noise, I'm not Trapper John, or Hawkeye! Chase that Dragon, and take the consequences. I wouldn't even spray Mucinex up a Junkies nose.
Life saving awards for everyone!!!
Just food for thought, maybe the firemen should work 8,10 or 12 hour shifts and drive around their service area making themselves available to the public to respond to such a crisis instead of sitting around doing nothing at the fire house.
(OT) this is great Jesse watters toured the apartment where the animals tortured the mentally challenged white kid listen to his commentary right on the head he said "there were no satellite trucks or other news media outside, if this had been white kids on black kid they would of been everywhere!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOtQbagTCv0
The only news to watch that has the law abiding put first!
Hope these animals do major prison time, look at the apartment he was showing the children's areas and the needles from these drug addicts, bet the people that are honest had to subsidize these thugs with free housing,link etc...
Great! Now we will have "merit" emt's and paramedics running around.
You can give narcan with no problem, just administer it with cfd on the way. If it's not working then cfd will continue with other treatment when they arrive. Don't complicate this more than it has to be...
I can do it, I stayed at the Holiday Inn last night
Heard the watch commander order is coming out Monday too.
I'm a PO in the west suburbs, my experiences with narcan are not pleasant. Narcan is very effective but it also makes the addict instantly aggressive. Not only did you "ruin" their high that they just paid for, Narcan forces them into instant withdrawal which makes them even more pissed off.
So do I get to call myself Doctor then?
Let the white shirt get the training! Hell i can't even install a baby seat without a white shirt present.
You think i am passing on medicine what next Epi-pens for allergy/Asthma pumps/defibrillators for old junkies?
Lets talk money! alot of extra work no talk of extra money. AND the kicker disrespecting retirees and throwing them under the OBAMA bus!
Believe it or not.. as someone in the medical field and seen it first hand, some get violent after you ruin their high.
1/15/2017 07:40:00 AM
I've seen it before too. Now, if an officer ruins an addict's high and the addict starts fighting the cop and the cop has to use force to subdue the addict the cop will be sued by the addict who's life was just saved. Perfect for the drug addict. Life is saved and they'll get paid to go out and buy more drugs. Not good for the cop though. It comes down to a simple decision for the cop to make.
Fucking stupid idea. What's next taking a fucker home after I tvb them and tow there car?? Fuck that
1/15, 708pm - They do wake up in a panic. Essentially the narcan is forcing open their arteries that are constricted from the dope. They wake up in a panic, usually over react, can become violent and typically don't like you. It's an easy nasal spray and usually the kits come with (2) sprays. Regardless though, any policy I've seen throughout the burbs, an ambulance is always dispatched regardless. They have to be transported afterward and depending on how much dope they took, they can fall right back into OD mode. The paramedics can at least do the IV narcan which helps a lot more. I've never heard of a policy where PD has to transport an OD victim.
"Let's go full-on stupid - what if you don't get there fast enough for Rahm, the junkie dies and someone says you deliberately slow-rolled the response knowing it was "just an OD, just another junkie." Who's going to make that determination - the DOJ? We're risking our careers, livelihood and property for someone who purposefully, willingly puts poison in their bodies?"
File this under:
"Making The Police Care About The Community They Serve"
No matter how toxic and full of self-hatred
and love of death said community is...
"Why y'all Cops actin' like y'all don't care about us?"
The idea that we're able to be held liable for something going wrong while attempting to perform first aid is a huge myth in this dept, developed by coppers that don't want to touch some dirty bloody hype or shooting victim, All we're required to do is call an ambulance yes, but your not liable for anything if your trying to help. It's in the good sameritan act. Not that I want to spend my day saving junkies ventilated gangbangers, but we won't have much of an argument against this when it comes.
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/ilcs3.asp?ActID=2076
1/15/2017 08:21:00 A
And what's the general order gonna say? Let's see what it says first. State law states shooting into a vehicle is permitted by POs for deadly force but CPD order says its prohibited when the vehicle is the only weapon being used as a threat. State law doesn't apply to CPD. That's how they fire people.
Stop, stop, stop...TOTALLY NOT TRUE and to be honest, shouldn't have even made it on the main page of SCC.
Many of the darlings from Plainfield, Naperville, River Forest, ect,, carry Narcan with them. Along with their NA key tags 30, 60 day sobriety fresh from their latest rehab stint.
Save the Junkies. #STJ
Handcuff first, then administer the Narcan. A high percentage of victims waking up from Narcan get combative in a hurry. Be ready for the fight.
Was on an od herrron today cfd was already there and i did not dog it. They injected him and said they usually dont respond this quick then asked if im trained wtf
They dont areest people why should we give meds...9171
I would like to hear from the suburban and other departments (officers) that are already doing this. Like in Lake County. http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20170114/news/170119301/ Wondering what they were told when this was rolled out for their departments, because SCC questions are good ones.
True but where they might have a few in a year, there are times when I have seen several in a tour. Much more can go wrong with the number and frequency that we have in the city. Im calling an ambulance. Most that I
have seen want to go to the hospital.And If they dont or fire dont want to respond,fuck em let the decline.
Squad send me fire, I don't know what is wrong with this guy. He mumbled something about chest pains. Dupe to AMB. 99. 19P.
Why does Rahm's religion allow a civilian religious person with E M T training ride in the ambulance with CFD paramedics because of orthodox religious reasons?Are there special accommodations for all religions,or just rahms?Liberalism out of control.E.g.Rogers Park
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I can see why the CFD wants to dump them on the CPD.
However,the liability is staggering. How are non-medically trained personnel going to recognize other medical conditions these junkies have?
You're correct,SCC,(as you always are).
Another shining example of liberal ideological stupidity.
Chicago's ridiculous leftist,socialist policies are akin to wiping your ass with a hula hoop-the shit never ends.
1/15/2017 09:25:00 AM
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You sir/ma'am have broke
the shit out of the internet
with this post...
Shit...
I wouldn't swab Vick's Vapor-Rub in a half-dead hype's
nostrils with a tuck-pointer's trowel.
Try and make me care about this bullshit...
Off topic but I need to know....
In June 2 P/O's were detailed to Midway airport out of the clear blue, 2 more within the next month or so. Another one end of December and rumor has it 4 more this week, middle of period,same as the 2 in June. If I'm not mistaken the airports are bid spots, so how is it possible that 9 people are detailed in out of the clear blue. If Midway is a bid spot, where is the FOP and why aren't they putting a stop to this. All 9 are sponsored by one or more of the newly promoted. They knew they were coming before the commander did. 2-2's 7-1's. Give an old dog a bone and let the bid spots open up if there are openings.
It is IL state law that police, fire, paramedics, etc.have to have narcan or like drug with them, not the Department's idea.
Transport to the hospital? !?! Here, let me carry you to my car or suv and seat belt your ass in and hope you don't seiz during transport! ?!?!
CFD pays EMT FF's a % differential... will threy offer that extra $$ to CPD
LOL wait, does this mean we will get paddy wagons ha ha ha
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I would like to hear from the suburban and other departments (officers) that are already doing this. Like in Lake County. http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20170114/news/170119301/ Wondering what they were told when this was rolled out for their departments, because SCC questions are good ones.
True but where they might have a few in a year, there are times when I have seen several in a tour. Much more can go wrong with the number and frequency that we have in the city. Im calling an ambulance. Most that I
have seen want to go to the hospital.And If they dont or fire dont want to respond,fuck em let the decline.
1/15/2017 07:04:00 PM
Its a good way for connected PP suck types to get a life saving award for their file.
No fucking way. Not going to happen. If I wanted to be a social worker, paramedic or nurse I would have. So no fucking way.
Didn't granny bring her thoughts of cops being 'guardians', not crimefighters
Hey we got money for the junkies Narcan which is not cheap but none for insurance for the retirees. Hey Rahm those junkies do not vote.
If it's not true, it soon will be.
Asking us to fight Mother Nature, who tells us with all her might these people want to remove themselves from the gene pool yet we refuse them this right.
And why bother stopping them? They say it themselves......it's recreational.
Off topic but I need to know....
In June 2 P/O's were detailed to Midway airport out of the clear blue, 2 more within the next month or so. Another one end of December and rumor has it 4 more this week, middle of period,same as the 2 in June. If I'm not mistaken the airports are bid spots, so how is it possible that 9 people are detailed in out of the clear blue. If Midway is a bid spot, where is the FOP and why aren't they putting a stop to this. All 9 are sponsored by one or more of the newly promoted. They knew they were coming before the commander did. 2-2's 7-1's. Give an old dog a bone and let the bid spots open up if there are openings.
They're detailed. That's how they get around opening bids. In theory, they can be sent back to their original units.. Also, the airports are 50/50, not 80/20. Put 9 people on management spots, you'd have to open 9 bid spots. Kinda sneaky, but it's allowed.
I'm OK with, only if the Field Leuitant has to Carry it and administer it. That's above my pay grade. The Sergeants are doing to much as it is. The Leuitant has time for this.
Does the degenerate junkie get charged for the cost of the Narcan at least? How long do we have to continue to perform Necromancy free of charge on these jagoffs?
How about we start classifying heroin overdoses as "homicides" because someone sold those tainted drugs to the victim.....
Then we can try to start trying the offenders who sold the drugs for "drug induced homicide", like they do in McHenry County....
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-drug-induced-homicide-all-white-jury-met-20170113-story.html
Imagine the homicide rate then.....
The Department can role this out, FOP can fight it and may win, but may also lose. You will be held responsible and in all likelihood will be sued. Even if it works the victim will find some other ailment to blame us for and if it doesn't work, then you were negligent. These departments in the burbs don't have the type of jobs or the volume of jobs we do, so they have the time to dispense narcan. This is a way for little suburban chiefs and politicians to try to show the communities they are trying to help. This is Rahm and special eds feelgood offering to the community. It's only the beginning.
Off topic but I need to know....
In June 2 P/O's were detailed to Midway airport out of the clear blue, 2 more within the next month or so. Another one end of December and rumor has it 4 more this week, middle of period,same as the 2 in June. If I'm not mistaken the airports are bid spots, so how is it possible that 9 people are detailed in out of the clear blue. If Midway is a bid spot, where is the FOP and why aren't they putting a stop to this. All 9 are sponsored by one or more of the newly promoted. They knew they were coming before the commander did. 2-2's 7-1's. Give an old dog a bone and let the bid spots open up if there are openings.
1/15/2017 08:30:00 PM
How people this fucking stupid?
Read the fucking contract.
Look at the table of contents and thumb to page.
Your question would be answered in less time than it took you to type this out.
Excuse me!!!
How the fuck am I supposed to tell if somebody is over dosing on heroin, having a stroke, passed out drunk, playing dead , just dead, in a coma, etc!!!
Iam not a medical professional and if they intend to make me one the FOP NEEDS TO ADDRESS IT VIA PAY INCREASE.
This is getting rediculous. About if bean counters who were never the police making these kinds of decisions. Why are officers taking on more responsibility without being paid? Same goes with CIT and any other b s a law enforcement officer shouldn't be doing. Why do the bean counters treat CPD like some small rural department? So, CFD is "footing" the bill. What does that mean? It's all comes out of the same city pocket. So CPD gets a lot more responsibility, that they aren't/wrent/won't be properly trained for. CFD, whose job it is and should be, gets a lot less. CPD and CFD continued to be paid the same and have the same pay scales, which is bullshit and always has been. Officers take on a shitload more possible legal ramifications from a cultures that already hates and despises them. Great idea! I'm all in!
1/15/2017 08:27:00 AM
A trained up fireman gets paid more than you. It's a fact people who left the job to become CFD when I had 5,6,7 years had a salary higher than mine. They get a TON of bullshit OT as well.
Sec. 70. Law enforcement officers, firemen, Emergency Medical Technicians (EMTs) and First Responders; exemption from civil liability for emergency care. Any law enforcement officer or fireman as defined in Section 2 of the Line of Duty Compensation Act, any "emergency medical technician (EMT)" as defined in Section 3.50 of the Emergency Medical Services (EMS) Systems Act, and any "first responder" as defined in Section 3.60 of the Emergency Medical Services (EMS) Systems Act, who in good faith provides emergency care, including the administration of an opioid antagonist as defined in Section 5-23 of the Alcoholism and Other Drug Abuse and Dependency Act, without fee or compensation to any person shall not, as a result of his or her acts or omissions, except willful and wanton misconduct on the part of the person, in providing the care, be liable to a person to whom such care is provided for civil damages.
1/15/2017 08:33:00 AM
Wow!!! Bravo dickhead, you can read. Here's a star.
I don't know how long your head has been stuck up your ass but a federal judge recently decided that dragging a prisoner out of his cell because he didn't want to leave his cell is "cruel and unusual." So YOU can be the test case for some activist judge to decide you were acting willful and wanton in your misconduct. Lick my fucking balls, moron.
We are not even trained on what to do in a terrorist attack situation. I always laugh when the bosses say we are prepared. I must have missed some important training. But hey, we gotta save some dumb junkie aka criminal. Who cares about keeping the good citizens safe. I just don't understand this job anymore. I would just alway say I couldn't determine what illness the dumb fuck was suffering from send an ambulance.
What's next if you administer the Narcan, you do some type of Report and and a TRR.
Remember, the department reduced the number of wagons in the districts from 3 or 4 to one (if your lucky).
They do not care about officer safety
Had the training on this with another dept. Won't carry it and use it though. Some dumb ass stupid enough to put that poison in their body can reap the consequences. Save the taxpayers some cash.
Ever see a shit head brought back from a heroin high? When they snap out of it, they are pissed and become violent cause you ruined their high they paid for. Ridiculous!!
It's not coming out. R E L A X
Pay me, say about 5% more just like ff/emts get. then im all in!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Remember, the department reduced the number of wagons in the districts from 3 or 4 to one (if your lucky).
They do not care about officer safety
1/16/2017 01:11:00 PM
Police Wagons are intimidating and a sign
Police Patriarchy and aggressive, no nonsense,
takiing no bullshit, ass kicking Law Enforcement.
"Why are you Chicago Cops so quick to slap
handcuffs on peoples and folkses? You should give
them more time to express their frustration with you."
Glad ive cut my ties with cpd. What a ridiculous idea and that whole idea you can't be sued for acting in good faith, see how far that gets you when the court decides you didn't go far enough.
Don't worry about Narcan training. The CPD will be trained.
You will watch a streaming video on your PC login. A short no-fail quiz will follow. This will be logged and will be the record of your training.
Don't care unless narcan does anything for bunions
Anonymous said...
Pay me, say about 5% more just like ff/emts get. then im all in!
1/16/2017 04:41:00 PM
5%?
Ya cheap tawdry whore!
http://patch.com/illinois/homewood-flossmoor/video-captures-police-saving-man-overdose
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