10,000 Jobs, But Not Here
You want to get rich in Illinois? Get a government job:
- Illinois is broke and continues to flirt with junk bond status. But the state’s financial woes aren’t stopping 63,000 government employees from bringing home six-figure salaries and higher.
Whenever we open the books, Illinois is consistently one of the worst offenders. Recently, we found auto pound supervisors in Chicago making $144,453; nurses at state corrections earning up to $254,781; junior college presidents making $465,420; university doctors earning $1.6 million; and 84 small-town “managers” out-earning every U.S. governor.
Using our interactive mapping tool, quickly review (by ZIP code) the 63,000 Illinois public employees who earn more than $100,000 and cost taxpayers $10 billion. Just click a pin and scroll down to see the results rendered in the chart beneath the map.
- Foxconn Technology Group on Wednesday pledged to invest $10 billion to build a display panel plant in Wisconsin that could employ up to 13,000 workers and draw up to $3 billion in subsidies from state taxpayers — a deal that could ripple through the economy and 2018 elections.
Nice to see some states still know how to attract business.
Labels: state politics
posted by SCC at 12:04 AM
46 Comments:
This state is not broke. Chicago is not broken. The politicians are liars and full of shit. Look at the skyline of Chicago look at the high-rises going up look at all the taxes that are being paid. Politicians are stealing blind from the state . 93% of Illinois budget is to fund programs for people in the video we just previously saw on a post.
Of course it did not come here. Our Republican governor, Democratic senate president and Democratic speaker of the house could not even congratulate 45. They did not even pretend for the good of our state. We are reaping what they sowed. And, DJT should not give them a thing, ever, and that includes pleasantries. To blazes with them.
These hard working state workers are probably worth every penny of their salary. Don't forget, Chicago and Illinois are very high cost of living places.
Notice they are going to build it in the US Speaker of the House's District?
I bet this is the one thing that the useless weasels in Congress will actually support.
I always have two questions about pensions and they never get answered. First of all, I will never get one, but in my opinion only first responders and teachers. But even still, those jobs should have limits. Here are my questions. How the fuck is it allowed that you only contribute 100k maybe 150k but withdraw millions for a part time gig? No one questioned this? Second, why all these bordering community village presidents, what are they doing to get paid more than the governor? 10 billion is a lot more than a woman collecting 5 bucks a month for food. My cable, phone, internet, water, all the extra taxes are going in the pension hole. Some asshole is just sitting back collecting over 300k in pension and he never took a bullet or fixed a wound.
They have to pay less graft in Wisconsin than in Illinois.
I would never do business in Illinois either!
Illinois is the worst run state in the country thanks to 100 years of Democratic rule!
Trump is right, politicians are stupid! Especially in banana republic Illinois!
Illinois must have been a wonderful place to live, years ago. Too bad liberal democrats, criminals and illegal aliens have fucked it all up.
J.J.
That's why we needed a business man in office and not scumbag lawyers.
Foxconn was not wanted here....they don't have Illinois values!
WOW!!!
Wisconsin knows how to play it right.
Look at Cook County government. This unit is larger than some states governments. How many government workers are there in the entire county of Cook? Wonder if you listed every town, village, the city and the county together, why what a monster that would be.
And it is all placed on the State of Illinois credit card for (you) the taxpayer to fund years later when the bill comes due. We desperately need some taxpayer revolts against the democratic party for creating this mess (they have been in-charge) and against even paying this as it has been fraud.
Just goes to prove taxes matter.
President The Donald will bring ten thousand jobs to Illinois when he is certain that the Evil Ones will not misuse the hiring procedure.
The average pay will be over $50,000 a year. Why isn't Jesse, Sharpton or Flagher screaming about getting honset government so we can try and get opportunities like this here..Oh yeah, never mind.
This state is not broke. Chicago is not broken. The politicians are liars and full of shit. Look at the skyline of Chicago look at the high-rises going up look at all the taxes that are being paid. Politicians are stealing blind from the state . 93% of Illinois budget is to fund programs for people in the video we just previously saw on a post
You did not post your name. But I will post mine. If you read the article, 63,000 people in the state cost 10 billion. With three capital B's. There are people who receive over 400k in pension alone. That one person is a entire neighborhood of SNAP. Sorry you feel otherwise but the numbers are right there. The politicians are stealing money, they should never get a damn pension. Not for a part time job. And definitely not several pensions. Illinois has over 600 pension plans. So do not be that guy.
C'mon SCC, give credit where it's due.
" Nice to see some states still know how to attract business,
posted by SCC at 12:04 AM on Jul 27, 2017"
Rahm is holding back an announcement about a pork barrel project business opportunity scheduled for Chicago until closer to his re-election bid.
Moo and Oink will be opening another location on the South Side.
When you look at where the investments are going, its places that are not under Democrat controlled states. Its because of the taxes they push, tax the rich, tax soda, tax gun and ammo, tax and tax. And why do they tax, to support entitlements and their liberal agenda. Just look at the municipal bond ratings for Illinois. On the Wisconsin proposed investment, if they past all the incentives applied to this job creating move, their municipal bonds may be one of the best to invest in and that's what this ranger is waiting for; use that OT money the right way and you will be better off in the end game. To tiny dancer, Fuck You, Your A fucken Prick.
all the photos i have ever seen of the great foxconn has workers doing manual insertion of parts. automate and they will only need a fraction of the 10k (or is it 13k) they are going to need. 3 billion of taxpayer funds will buy a lot of automation and they get to depreciate it as well. be wary wisconsin. i smell a big stinking pile of bullshit.
Why is the pension board election not getting any attention? It seems some funny business is going on at the fund the last 2 years and with all the talk about pension issues not a word about the pension board election.
And don't forget the domino effect. When other potential investors see Foxconn investing in Wisconsin you can bet WI will be getting hard looks from other companies as well. Illinois, Springfield, Cook, Prickwrinkle, Rahm, alderthieves, nepotism, cronyism, corruption, pay-to-play, inbred inefficiency at all levels, high workman's comp, cesspool of lawsuits, crumbling infrastructure, failing schools, corrupt public unions, et al. may get a chuckle or a head shake from a potential investor and not much else.
What's the difference? WI - Republican governor and Repub legislature making WI a competitive location that will benefit ALL WI citizens. Think a $10 billion investment followed by 10,000 new jobs paying taxes to the state won't make a difference? This is wealth being created.
On the other hand, there's IL - Repub gov but Dem (crook) legislature misguided and misled by Madigan and Cullerton mining taxpayers' pockets in order to pander handouts to the ghetto in exchange for votes. The difference could not be more evident. This is wealth being redistributed and ultimately squandered. When was the last time Madigan/Cullerton/Prick/Rahm/alderthieves did anything that benefited the whole state/county/city and not just themselves?
Frankly, I'm happy for Wisconsin. Illinois got what it so richly deserves. Which is nothing.
What does the state budget and pension shortfalls have to do with local units of government and their budgets? As I look at the list of Village Managers making $200K or more I see Villages with little or no debt and high quality of life and surplus budgets. I see public employee pension funds that are solvent. Maybe the "underpaid" governor could learn from them...?
I earned $104,000 last year as a police officer. I earned every single penny. I earned $89,000 as a salary and $15,000 in overtime.
Some of the people I grew up with and went to college with are upset with the salary and benefits I receive. But they had the same opportunity to apply for this job.
I hate that the tax payers think that retirees are to blame for this mess that is Illinois. For decades, Illinois politicians chose to not put the required funds into the pension systems and instead, used that money for other things, which included not raising taxes or fees for state services. The workers continued to have their pension contributions deducted from their checks every payday (well, maybe not in the case of the teachers). Bottom line, the blame for this financial mess rests solely with the thieving politicians.
Riddle me this... who would bring any jobs into Illinois ? Guess, a huge payoff might attract someone. Prehaps good ol' BlackMail would secure some jobs
If those 13,000 jobs had been put smack dab in the middle of Crook County would anybody even take those job? How could they possibly pay more than the City, County, State & Fedzilla's will pay in cash & kind for doing nuffin?
In Illinois, work is the "stooopid" option
In some towns there are Pencil pushing political hacks making 2-3 times more than the First Responders charged with protecting their sorry asses. And these hacks are eligible for an 80% pension in shorter time.
Illinois is run like the Illinois Lottery and both are defunct from mismanagement and theft.
Rauner the Reformer, like Rahm, PorkWinkle and Claypool all ran those "reform" on promises.
The only reform was their cronies got a slice of the pie.
I wonder how much money overall would be saved by cutting 10% from every goverment employee salary.
Then cut every budget and reoccurring bid by 10%.
But any salary cut would only go into Sanctuary coffers.
Democrats refuse to save money and are just too lazy to find ways to not spend.
Two Democrat mayors were recently indicted by the FBI in Pennsylvania this week.
Only a matter of time for Chicago.
Actually Wiaconsin is one of the hifhest tax states in the country. Google it. They tax the shit out of everything but food. They tax haircuts, labor on services, dry cleaning, pensions and retirement income and even the cost of having your lawn mowed. If Illinois taxed like Wisconsin does there would be a budget surplus.
But the lowly rank and file first-responders, the grunt level guys and girls, are the problem.
Illinois is the worst run state in the country thanks to 100 years of Democratic rule!
Trump is right, politicians are stupid! Especially in banana republic Illinois!
7/27/2017 04:43:00 AM
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"Suffering a profound lack of leading
Are you even there when we call? Are you a human, man?
Full of lies! Can’t believe what I’m hearing
From your lips a river of scheming"
The above certainly applies to Rahm and the Alderscum as well as the state politicians without a clue. The lyrics are from a song called "Banana Republic" by Freshlyground. Though they are mainly talking about South Africa and the continent, it's clear they also mean it's the same thing all over the world to varying degrees.
Illinois will likely lose a couple seats in the House after 2020. And perhaps Houston will move past Chicago in population if people continue leaving. Anyone that can leave should do so, it's certainly not going to get any better anytime soon.
Really? 13,000 jobs for that plant in Wisconsin? Who believes that? Even peripheral jobs, no way.
How much you want to bet that those foxconn jobs will pay full timers less than 30k?
Not saying they deserve more, but you cant compete with minority hiring tokens on the inept government payroll against provate corps actually producing a product we want in a profitable manner.... something the worthless Us govt could NEVER do.
Anonymous said...
The average pay will be over $50,000 a year. Why isn't Jesse, Sharpton or Flagher screaming about getting honset government so we can try and get opportunities like this here..Oh yeah, never mind.
7/27/2017 09:15:00 AM
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A business like that probably already did an analysis on the availability of a good labor pool, e.g. hard working, dependable, capable, and willing.
The availability of capable people is a big factor when deciding where to set up the shop.
People in our department would not last a day in that job--that is how bad our labor pool is.
Chicago was once a city of industry. In the 1970's the politicians taxed jobs. The city is now a city of vacant land.
all the photos i have ever seen of the great foxconn has workers doing manual insertion of parts. automate and they will only need a fraction of the 10k (or is it 13k) they are going to need. 3 billion of taxpayer funds will buy a lot of automation and they get to depreciate it as well. be wary wisconsin. i smell a big stinking pile of bullshit.
I hate to agree with Stash, but he's right on this one. Just like when Trump went to Indiana and told that huuuuge whopper about saving thousands of jobs with Carrier, and Carrier still up and left; Trump did not deliver.
Wisconsin is not a low-taxation state by any means. Apple is well known to have billions in profits stashed away outside of our borders, refusing to bring those monies into this country until they can get a 'satisfactory tax code change' in their favor. There's no reason why Apple isn't building/manufacturing ALL of their products in this country, they are some of the highest priced phones tablets and computers you can purchase today!
Remember when Illinois bent over backwards to give a tax edge to Sears and some other big companies? They turned right around and screwed Illinois anyway. Be wary of this Wisconsin "deal."
The tax break the State of Wisconsin is giving FOXCON will amount to roughly $230 K for each job if FOXCON meets its commitment to creating all 13,000 jobs it promises. It has a track record of welching on such deals. I expect a fully automated facility employing a lot fewer people. The perfect factory of tomorrow will have two employees, a dog, and a man. The man's job will be to feed the dog. The dog's job will be to keep the man from messing with the machines.
The future is automating jobs currently done by humans, so you do have to wonder about this 13k figure and their plan for the future. According to a list of the best and worst states for business 2017, Wisconsin ranked 10th, Indiana 5th and Illinois 48th. Only New York and California were rated lower than corrupt Illinois. Texas was 1st, Florida number 2 and North Carolina 3rd. Interesting that 6 of the top 10 are in the south.
Click on the state and you can see a bit more detailed profile. The CEO comments sum up how it is in Illinois. What will it be like in another 10 years if things keep on as they are? I shudder to think. http://chiefexecutive.net/2017-best-worst-states-business/
ALL you guys are SO smart in evaluating the "good and bad" of the Foxconn deal in WI. You have it all figured out and know all the angles of why it won't be as good as they say, and people won't be paid that much, and on and on and on.
Bottom line - Illinois did not get that deal and it's a BIG deal!
When you open up a facility like that, it's not just the jobs in that facility, it's also all the ancillary economic development you create around it. You create a bigger (and better) tax base. When you do that, taxes go DOWN, not up, as they are doing in this Shit-hole of a state.
People start making money, they begin to spend it. People need houses to live in, cars to get to work in, food to buy, and it goes on.
Wonder why you can't sell your home for what you think it's worth? Who wants to go live in Chicago? Where are the jobs? Starbucks?
Once they start building that plant, there will be an increased demand for housing around there. AND, all the businesses will see an increase in people spending. Groceries, clothes, everyday products all will sell and more money will flow through the sales tax revenues.
In reading Crains, they think it's going to create jobs for people in Illinois. Why would you commute from Illinois to this place off of 94 when you could just go live there? Crains is trying to downplay the reality that Illinois lost - and lost big.
And those saying the taxes are higher in WI are clueless. Go look at house prices and look at property taxes. You save $1000s a year. Maybe that's why you see a lot of city workers (firemen) living up there in certain towns with lakes and keep a phony address here in Chicago. (I won't mention the towns)
All I can say is you better start spending more of your money in Cook County to help support the bloated salaries. You want the average taxpayer to do that, but you see so many driving into Wisconsin because it's only 5% sales tax. They are just doing what you do.
People are fed up of paying a lot of taxes and when companies start selecting other states to put in big facilities, the tax base in this state continues to erode. The idiots in power in Illinois can't cut spending. They need to cut budgets 10-20% across the board.
And those saying "oh they aren't going to build much up there or employ a lot of people." Drive up 94 and check it out. You have AMAZON up there and their parking lot is always full 24/7. Someone is making a paycheck.
Same goes for ULINE, who is building a second big campus right up there across the street. And ULINE used to be in Illinois! All those jobs transferred up there. That's called - the Tax Base. We're losing it and they are gaining it.
Wisconsin: 5.5% Sales Tax, No Tax on food, gas on average 50 cents cheaper than Chicago, No Tolls. why us that? ♠️
Wow, there sure is a lot of pessimism/sour grapes here.
Newsflash for ya--there already is and has been automation in manufacturing. What this means is rather than one person per movement, there will be one person that will responsible for say 4 stations that will have a 'machine' (think pee wee herman's livingroom) that will do, say 10 steps each. The human will be in charge of monitoring each of those four stations, loading materials, moving finished materials out, tagging matierals, doing quality control sampling on batches, etc.
The way WI does "tax breaks" anyway is correct, they don't get the whole amount right away, and aren't given a big check. From my understanding they are given the breaks in taxes over a period of time as they actually produce the agreed upon jobs they said they would produce. If they don't produce the agreed upon jobs, they don't get all the agreed upon tax breaks.
Can Wisconsin swing a deal to give you Milwaukee county? We will sell it to you for $1.00 and we will pay that dollar. We get rid of Wilwaukee county and all of our statistical data will go shooting upwards and we will look even better.
Ya'll need to get out of chicago more.
Come up to Wisconsin and smell our Dairy Air..... :-D
Go Pack!
"The future is automating jobs currently done by humans, so you do have to wonder about this 13k figure and their plan for the future."
Newflash! This has been the case since the steam engine replaced horses. And yet somehow the US has had manufacturing booms even though automatic machines and robots have been around for decades. It's nothing new even though the media is acting like they just found out.
If a machine can do your job, chances are you'll be happier and better off if you learn new skills and let the machines have it. Why bore yourself silly driving a screw into a hole 8 hours a day if a machine can do it? Aren't you better than that?
And what about those machines? They don't design and build themselves. They don't run themselves. They don't maintain themselves. They don't usually adjust and set themselves up. They may collect data but they need people to interpret it.
Also, though it may be hard to believe, a properly designed automation system produces higher and more consistent quality than a human. Not a knock on workers, just the facts. People get tired/sick/have bad days/get distracted, etc. Machines don't. We as consumers want stuff that works right first time out of the box, don't we? We don't like it when a sensor in our car fails at 2 AM on the south side causing the engine to quit at the corner of Hopeless and Nowhere.
But don't worry. As long as Madigan and his clown act are around progress is nothing Illinois will need to worry about. He's an arrogant little one act pony. The only thing he understands is massaging his ego and collecting our wealth to redistribute it elsewhere
The Wisconsin Taxpayer is on The hook for these jobs at a cost of one mil per employee.
This company has a track record of treating their employees like shit and there's currently a lawsuit pending in Pennsylvania.
So perhaps you should check the facts before praising Walker for being a rainmaker.
"Illinois is the worst run state in the country thanks to 100 years of Democratic rule!"
In he last 40 years there's been a republican governor for 32 of those years. What was that you were saying?
"Illinois is the worst run state in the country thanks to 100 years of Democratic rule!"
In he last 40 years there's been a republican governor for 32 of those years. What was that you were saying?
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Governors don't make law. The legislature does. And Democrats have controlled the House of Representatives since 1992 with the exception of '95 and '96 and the Senate since 2003. How long does it take to ruin a state?
What were YOU saying?
"Illinois is the worst run state in the country thanks to 100 years of Democratic rule!"
In he last 40 years there's been a republican governor for 32 of those years. What was that you were saying?
7/28/2017 10:20:00 PM
The Illinois legislature has been controlled by democrats, specifically Michael Madigan, for 32 of the last34 years. That is the real power seat.
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