Death Spiral Continues
- Chicago Public Schools, still unclear on how much state aid the district will receive for the new school year, sold $500 million in long-term general obligation bonds at high interest rates, doubling planned borrowing after buyers lined up.
Some $215 million will restructure existing debt, and the rest will pay for capital projects and reimbursements for payments related to interest rate swaps, district spokeswoman Emily Bittner said. She wouldn’t release further details, saying that “CPS hasn’t finalized its budget, and will detail how the bond proceeds are being used at that time.”
The new bonds, underwritten by J. P. Morgan, add to the $7.5 billion CPS already holds in long-term debt.
In a statement, CPS’ senior vice president Ron DeNard said that the district received $1.1 billion in orders for the bonds, generating $500 million authorized by the school board.
DeNard touted the interest rates as lower than the whopping 8.5 percent CPS paid last year on general obligation bonds, but they’re hardly low. Ranging from 7.25 percent up to 7.65 percent depending on maturity date, they’re at least twice what a typical government would pay on the same deal, according to Municipal Market Data.
And that $5 billion shortfall in Madigan's budget isn't instilling confidence in anyone.
Labels: money questions
posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
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I'm a cop in New York. My daughter is looking at law schools. She wants to visit the u of Chicago law school in the fall. Can anyone suggest a nice hotel for our stay. I would like to do some sightseeing, Sears tower, wrigglleyChicago art institute. Thanks in advance for any suggestions. Bill
Forrest Claypool = Forrest Gump.
Does anyone think these bonds will actually pay off every payment through maturity?
The lenders seem eager and happy. If worst comes to worst CPS can always auction off some property, take some pay cuts and retire some folks. All will work out in the end. Chicago is still a desirable destination city.
The asswipe CPS ,Rahmicde, still spending over $200 million building new schools....CPS worse shape the shit Chicago
CPS is broke... it will tax more money from working men ,it the well runs dry
LOL Crook County ,Il soda tax lost in appeals Court Monday .. Now Cook county Judge can't back down from his ruling halting taxing soda
Shop outside Crook County ... no bag tax.. sales tax 7 % ..lower boozes taxes ,cig prices $6 cheaper than in Chicago, gas cheaper 2.08 a gallon ......
Rahm will probably buy them up for the Chicago Police Pension Fund.
They have great yields! We are investing in Chicago!
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Supt. Johnson trying to block the hiring of a white kid who got into a brawl in college and was 'accused' of a hate crime because one of the so called victims was gay. They dropped the felony charge and he pleaded to a misdemeanor battery. Racial discrimination on Johnson's part? It doesn't matter anyway, the media already gave the kid's name out. He won't be able to work anywhere without everybody bringing this up. He knows they're hiring gangbangers and thieves but he's trying to stop a white kid who got into a fight from being hired. If it was a white supt. trying to block a black kid from getting hired he'd be railroaded out of his job.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-police-sue-over-job-candidate-met-20170710-story.html
What assets are these bonds backed by?
Rahm's Full Faith and Credit?
The Chicago Teachers Union?
Default is scheduled for what year?
If your Municipal Bond Fund has any Chicago CPS or Municipal Bonds in it? You need a new Fund and a new Financial Advisor.
Not sure? Start asking. Double check everything!
You aren't going to be able to count on that pension, you better make sure your other funds are safe.
Would anyone be willing willing to take a mortgage out with an interest rate of 7.25% to 8.5%?.... "I am with CPS, you gotta deal"--- and if you have been educated by a Chicago public school--- I bet you would take that loan too
CPS holds 7.5 BILLION in long term debt before this offering. Let that sink in.
escape madiganistan....NOW!
I'm a cop in New York. My daughter is looking at law schools. She wants to visit the u of Chicago law school in the fall. Can anyone suggest a nice hotel for our stay. I would like to do some sightseeing, Sears tower, wrigglleyChicago art institute. Thanks in advance for any suggestions. Bill
None. Go somewhere else. Including your daughter. Nowhere is safe. If you value your life and the life of your daughter you'll listen.
A month at trib reported $9 billion in debt. So this makes it $9.5 billion. About $1.5 million per day in interest pmts.
But it for the kids like the 6 year old with a gun who is robbing people but he was getting his life together fuck this city
The City can't even run it self. What made anyone believe that it could run a school system. Sell or bankrupt CPS. Get a private or public company to run a Chicago School System. Sign a long tearm contract stating they get x per student. Its there job to run it. I'll bet you they would be just fine.
Loans to pay off loans? Just like credit card debt will bite you in the butt. But if you received a CPS education how would you know that. Like the rest of the city CPS are a waste of taxpayer money. Get out while you can, someone is going to pay and taxes are the only resource the system has. God forbid they stop spending.
I thought the lottery was going to pay for cps?
Anonymous said...
TO:
I'm a cop in New York.
7/11/2017 12:08:00 AM
I suggest that you contact a local CPD unit 'off this site' in order to avoid the trolls, media etc., such as "Brotherhood for the Fallen" who can deal possibly deal more directly with you than this public site for obvious reasons.
Perhaps 'our helpful' members can channel their suggestions to the "Brotherhood" to be passed on and help but in a 'less public' atmosphere to protect the privacy of all involved.
Why do they always blame the "school" and not the kids in the school?
1 of 4 African-American students stuck in subpar schools: report
http://chicago.suntimes.com/politics/1-of-4-african-american-students-stuck-in-subpar-schools-report/
One in four African-American students in Chicago Public Schools attends a “failing” school, according to a new analysis that puts the number for Hispanic students at two in 25 and, for white students, two in 100.
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“It is not fair to simply compare race and [School Quality Rating Policy] stats and then question why some schools ‘fail,’ ” CTU researcher Sarah Rothschild said. “A strong team can handle the immense adverse socioeconomic issues that students in struggling communities face, especially when they know the students and their families well.
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Supt. Johnson trying to block the hiring of a white kid who got into a brawl in college and was 'accused' of a hate crime because one of the so called victims was gay. They dropped the felony charge and he pleaded to a misdemeanor battery. Racial discrimination on Johnson's part? It doesn't matter anyway, the media already gave the kid's name out. He won't be able to work anywhere without everybody bringing this up. He knows they're hiring gangbangers and thieves but he's trying to stop a white kid who got into a fight from being hired. If it was a white supt. trying to block a black kid from getting hired he'd be railroaded out of his job.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-police-sue-over-job-candidate-met-20170710-story.html
Sheeeeiiitttt, if he was black NOBLE would hook him up wit sum answers
NOW it is the seat's fault these kids fail???
When we ask “Who is sitting in those seats?,” we see that far too many “failing seats” are in specific community areas – and some in large amounts – and are provided to more African American children than the proportion of their total enrollment numbers in CPS.
https://www.newschoolsnow.org/quality-seats-report/
Why don't the politician start a lottery, the money collected could fund the schools.
I get a better interest rate on my Capital One credit card.
What's in your wallet?
At least rahm's banker buddies are getting paid.
Bill from new york: you'd be better off sending your kid to the south harmon institute of technology. Stay the hell out of chicago. Find a website that shows legit crime stats and look at the surrounding area. Professional victims is what they become. If a public defender spot is in the cards, then disregard, it's perfect.
p.s. If you do come, grab gmac and take him back with you. Word of warning, if u see him at wrigley, get him early before the haymakers start flying at significant others.
Nice return if you get paid back...
There is no way to stop these ASSHOLES!!!
TO: Anonymous Anonymous said...
I'm a cop in New York. My daughter is looking at law schools. She wants to visit the u of Chicago law school in the fall. Can anyone suggest a nice hotel for our stay. I would like to do some sightseeing, Sears tower, wrigglleyChicago art institute. Thanks in advance for any suggestions. Bill
Bill, do yourself and your daughter a life-saving favor and pick another school. U of Chicago Law School is in the middle of a shit hole neighborhood with super-predators roaming the campus and surrounding area looking for victims just like your daughter. Sure, U of C has their own "police" - why do you think that is? Of course, you won't see any of that in the main-stream media - bad for business per Rahmacide (our mayor). I retired last year after 30 years on CPD - I wouldn't send my kid to that school without armed guards.
Anonymous said...
I'm a cop in New York. My daughter is looking at law schools. She wants to visit the u of Chicago law school in the fall. Can anyone suggest a nice hotel for our stay. I would like to do some sightseeing, Sears tower, wrigglleyChicago art institute. Thanks in advance for any suggestions. Bill
7/11/2017 12:08:00 AM
Stay away... a young girl in Chicago as a tourist on the South Side of Chicago ?? Google Chicago crime on South ,West sides of Chicago ..LOL
The parking meter deal was sold at 25 percent value. A first year accounting student could apply "net present value of future cash flows" and get that figure. Of course, our aldermen passed it unanimously. This deal is similar.
Sounds like they're following the liberal democrat plan and trying to borrow their way to prosperity. Doesn't bother them in the least that TAXPAYERS will have to pay these BILLIONS of dollars of debt they're racking up.
J.J.
To the NY cop looking for a hotel,
I love the Stay Pineapple chain of hotels. The one in Chicago is called the Alise. It's in the Loop, right by Millenium Park. The bedding is heaven!
Everyone I refer to Pineapple Hotels ends up LOVING their stay. Check it out!
New York, have her stay at the Dana, boutique hotel, she will love it.http://www.danahotelandspa.com/
Yes, but Deb Mel's office on Irving Park has a sign that reads "Sanctuary Schools Includes Clerks". So, she's got the schools on her mind. And, Illegals make less than legal workers, so the CPS can save some dough here too.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I'm a cop in New York. My daughter is looking at law schools. She wants to visit the u of Chicago law school in the fall. Can anyone suggest a nice hotel for our stay. I would like to do some sightseeing, Sears tower, wrigglleyChicago art institute. Thanks in advance for any suggestions. Bill
Hi bill, i would suggest the Doubletree by Hilton, very central, had some family stay there and they enjoyed it, reasonable price. I would suggest the Trump Hotel if you wanna splash out, just can be too much drama around there some days. Might be heading to New York with the parents in Sep, any suggestions yourself on where to stay ?
I wish I could have purchased some of those bonds. Think about it, over 7 % tax free. All the instructional buyers are picking them so they are not available to the public
I'm a cop in New York. My daughter is looking at law schools. She wants to visit the u of Chicago law school in the fall. Can anyone suggest a nice hotel for our stay. I would like to do some sightseeing, Sears tower, wrigglleyChicago art institute. Thanks in advance for any suggestions. Bill
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Bill, have your daughter go to law somewhere else. The violence and criminal activity is out of control. I would never allow my daughter to go to school in Chicago. UC is surrounded by animals, hold overs from the projects, lots of robberies and worse to the students. Think about the girl, about 21, came here for a job about a year or two ago. Driving in a cab, stray bullet comes through the window and hits her in the head. Bill, besides the 800 people killed last year, there were 4500 people shot in Chicago. Let that sink in. And look a little below, person shot a 3 in the afternoon in downtown Chicago. And no one cares any more. If you insist on coming to check it out call the equivalent of your emergency response unit in our department and leave your contact number.
One solution to the funding problem is to introduce a "temporary" surcharge for free lunches. This source of revenue can be electronically deducted from LINK or SNAP much like the private sector collects from debit accounts. Introduce a nominal amount and incrementally increase the temporary surcharge to a permanent status much like state income taxes were sold.
The recipients of then formerly "free" lunches would express pride knowing that the could make a positive contribution like those taxpayer sacrafices to a world renown tier 1 public school system. What a brilliant program which allows the underprivilaged to make a positive contribution in the name of good schools!
The tollway collects your money electronically behind the scenes, sneaks in toll increases while most people are unaware of just how much is repatriated for public roadways. The tollway is a public sector model for electronic collections. Children can use an electronic lunchline transponder which automatically deducts from monthly entitlements.
Use a similar tollway revenue model collection utilizing an emotional tugging for the children theme. Afterall, it is "free" sustenance lunches and "free" sustenance in the form of LINK or SNAP. Why not do your part contributing to the solution, not the problem.
Honestly, you'd be better off staying at a hotel near the airport you're flying in and just taking UBER. Don't pay the inflated prices for downtown hotels.
when the democrats raise income taxes to raise 5 billion in order to pay down the debt. they just increase spending 4 billion or more so this becomes a zero sum game. They can't stop spending/ lots of pork projects, lots of money grants in the millions to those connected to run " job trainin", " anti violence programs " etc. with most of the money going to pay and benefits for the political class. Only the US Attorney in Springfield has done anything about this fraud. Lisa Madigan is too busy looking the other way.
Make the CTU pay their own pension, nobody else gets the contracts and benefits those well dressed 7 hour work day including an hour lunch over paid phonies get.
They are the only union that threatens continually to strike and is able to strike forcing the digit and short shanks to give more and more like 4 years @ 4% a year.
Anonymous said...
What assets are these bonds backed by?
7/11/2017 12:29:00 AM
CHILDREN. That is the answer. Children's butts in seats in their jurisdictions for a certain number of hours, the captive audience that they are. This is the answer. Those kids, they are the assets leveraged.
Ever wonder why the school system treats kids like possessions that belong to it rather than their own parents? Well, because they think they are theirs, as they leverage the kids themselves as if they ARE their own.
This is exactly why democrats and their UNIONS are so dead set against school vouchers, school choice private schools and charter schools. Their DEBT GROWTH is threatened and they just can't be havin that.
Welfare paying for as many kids as possible, even if they are illegal aliens, keeps the whole corrupt thing afloat. See why they go to bat for illegals more than Americans? It is ALL to keep the corrupt money laundering scam going and it all begins in SCHOOLS.
Let that sink in.
overpaid CPS Employees bankrupting the City. CPD Teachers union kickbacks to Democrat party. Trump DOJ Investigate this.
What fool would lend money (i.e., buy bonds) that can not and will not be repaid?
CPS is the biggest cesspool of them all.
Bigger than the city of Chicago.
Bigger than Cook County.
Bigger than the state of Illinois.
Nice Liberal Dems! Shitcago, Crook County, and Villainois. What a fucked up combo, got off our sinking ship dept, moved out of the Shitty and Crook County, not able to flee this Godforsaken state yet! Good luck newbies! Holy shit!
I'm a cop in New York. My daughter is looking at law schools. She wants to visit the u of Chicago law school in the fall. Can anyone suggest a nice hotel for our stay. I would like to do some sightseeing, Sears tower, wrigglleyChicago art institute. Thanks in advance for any suggestions. Bill
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The Sheridan at 301 E. North Water street is really nice and located right on the river. Most of the major attractions are within walking distance. Police standing around on most corners in the evening. Fireworks show on the river on Wednesday and Saturday nights.If you book, ask about the first responder discount. I believe he discount is not available if you book online.
7.5%-8.5% holy fuck!!!! That's outrageous! I'm paying 4.1% on a mortgage of $250,000 and I feel that's high. 8% on billions is going to be a default. Whoever gave CPS that loan is probably going to lose. Crazy! Keep spending Chicago. And pass out more free stuff. Anything to keep the scumbag politicians in power.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I'm a cop in New York. My daughter is looking at law schools. She wants to visit the u of Chicago law school in the fall. Can anyone suggest a nice hotel for our stay. I would like to do some sightseeing, Sears tower, wrigglleyChicago art institute. Thanks in advance for any suggestions. Bill
7/11/2017 12:08:00 AM
Don't stay downtown. Stay in any hotel by Ohare Airport and take an UBER/Cab in. Rosemont has a great entertainment area too right by all the hotels. Much safer.
Using high interest credit cards to pay off higher interest credit cards. Great idea Democrats. Meanwhile Denocrats are raising taxes through the roof. How about Trump for Mayor next time?
Who is buying these Bonds? Does the city pay them...ever?
to the ny officer who's daughter is visiting Chicago don't stay in Chicago stay in Rosemont a lot cheaper, a lot safer and they have a police department that actually arrests bad people and love the nypd, a lot of nice restaurants plus the blue station within walking distance, plus brad stevens is a real mayor who supports the police
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I'm a cop in New York. My daughter is looking at law schools. She wants to visit the u of Chicago law school in the fall. Can anyone suggest a nice hotel for our stay. I would like to do some sightseeing, Sears tower, wrigglleyChicago art institute. Thanks in advance for any suggestions. Bill
7/11/2017 12:08:00 AM
Don't stay downtown. Stay in any hotel by Ohare Airport and take an UBER/Cab in. Rosemont has a great entertainment area too right by all the hotels. Much safer.
7/11/2017 02:14:00 PM
Are you insane? The U of C law school is on 60th street. O'hare is too far away. It would take forever to get there and it would cost too much money. Bill downtown is fine. Or even somewhere near McCormick place is fine too if you're going to the U of C. And Rosemont? Holy fuck that's ridiculous. WAY too far from U of C campus. WTF are you thinking? Bill FYI the U of C campus is surrounded by shitheads. Campus is nice but its surrounded by a war zone. Good luck to you and your daughter. Look at Loyola law school. Its downtown about a block away from the water tower on Michigan ave. A lot more fun for a young person.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I'm a cop in New York. My daughter is looking at law schools. She wants to visit the u of Chicago law school in the fall. Can anyone suggest a nice hotel for our stay. I would like to do some sightseeing, Sears tower, wrigglleyChicago art institute. Thanks in advance for any suggestions. Bill
The posters about the violence are correct especially around the U of C campus. If I were you I'd try and talk with her and convince her to go to another city. Tennessee or Florida would be a great states to choose from. Nice weather and nicer people and you don't have to worry about setting your phone down on the table and having some shithead steal it as she bends down to pick up a book from her backpack. <------True story. It happens often here.
I'm a cop in New York. My daughter is looking at law schools. She wants to visit the u of Chicago law school in the fall. Can anyone suggest a nice hotel for our stay. I would like to do some sightseeing, Sears tower, wrigglleyChicago art institute. Thanks in advance for any suggestions. Bill
7/11/2017 12:08:00 AM
None. Go somewhere else. Including your daughter. Nowhere is safe. If you value your life and the life of your daughter you'll listen.
7/11/2017 05:46:00 AM
Bill,
Are you and your daughter ultra-liberal? If so, you both probably accept crime victimization as the price paid to "enjoy" diversity and a diverse lifestyle. If you would not experience anguish over her car continually being ticketed and towed, her car and/or living accommodations being "burglarized" over and over, her being robbed and possibly beaten or worse, much, much worse all the way up to, and including, the ultimate of victimization, come on over!
However, if your daughter or you expect safety to accompany the huge tuition you will be paying, stay away. While the Hyde Park neighborhood is very nice and diverse, it is the visitors from the surrounding neighborhoods who are most of the culprits. The Hyde Park neighborhood and the U of C are surrounded like Fort Apache, the Bronx.
You very well might have some people tell you it is wonderful here, tell you I have never had a problem when I take the red line "L" or the green line "L", tell you the crime and safety issues are both blown out of proportion and they could very well be telling the truth from their perspective and experiences, but it is unlikely or, at the very least, very far from the norm. While the downtown, the museums, the lakefront and the food are all very nice and can be enjoyed until the visiting culprits are looking for a victim, Chicago as a whole is truly a very odd place for the uninitiated. I am a lifelong resident and I implore you to go someplace a little less odd.
Wherever she attends, in this day and age, you know being a cop that she has to be street-smart and have her head on a swivel. She cannot have her head in the clouds or throw caution to the wind. As always, the alert, the vigilant and the cautious are less-likely to become a victim.
When the taxes go up up up. And the Credit Rating goes down down down. CPS will show you the reson they borrow. Tax Payers pay and payout and payout. CPS wil spend and spend and spend,
Is Tilden High School still open? How many students are enrolled there?
The parking meter deal was sold at 25 percent value. A first year accounting student could apply "net present value of future cash flows" and get that figure. Of course, our aldermen passed it unanimously. This deal is similar.
7/11/2017 09:16:00 AM
The guy who brokered the deal for shanks and the city of Chicago was shown the door for his flagrant error. On his advice, shanks woefully undersold the meters.
Anonymous said...
Make the CTU pay their own pension, nobody else gets the contracts and benefits those well dressed 7 hour work day including an hour lunch over paid phonies get.
They are the only union that threatens continually to strike and is able to strike forcing the digit and short shanks to give more and more like 4 years @ 4% a year.
7/11/2017 12:46:00 PM
Actually CTU pay 2% of their salary into their own pension. Unlike the 9% we pay. They see this as a negotiated benefit and would be taking a pay cut if they actually had to pay more into the fund.
Totally unreasonable. They should be in line with every other city organization.....9%
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The parking meter deal was sold at 25 percent value. A first year accounting student could apply "net present value of future cash flows" and get that figure. Of course, our aldermen passed it unanimously. This deal is similar.
7/11/2017 09:16:00 AM
Won't work for 75 year deal. No way to project out that far.
Mr. SouthSide says---
Tilden is in the 'Ville. Don't mess with Da 'Ville.
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