Saturday, July 22, 2017

Gunshots Cost How Much?

Our readers have been pointing this out for eight or ten years now - but now someone is figuring it out?
  • The charges started racking up the moment Annette Johnson arrived at Mount Sinai Hospital with a gunshot wound to her left forearm. Doctors sliced open Johnson's arm and installed a $500 metal plate to shore up her shattered ulna, securing it with numerous bone screws that cost $246 apiece. There were morphine drips to quell pain, tetanus shots to prevent infection, blood screens and anesthesia.

    Two years earlier in a different part of the city, Leo Leyva arrived at a North Side hospital with a gunshot wound to his back. His last memory before going under anesthesia was a nurse telling him they were going to take good care of him and to count up to 10. As the 18-year-old drifted off, the emergency room team at Advocate Illinois Masonic Medical Center went to work to save his life, starting IV lines and X-raying his chest and abdomen before performing an emergency surgery to remove the bullet and repair the damage.

    For both Johnson and Leyva, just two of the thousands of gunshot victims in Chicago every year, the first hours and days of their hospital treatment were only the start of what would be costly recoveries that continue to this day. Still, the bills for their initial treatment were staggering. In his first 35 minutes at the hospital, Leyva had racked up $21,521 in charges, and by the time he was released three weeks later the bill totaled more than $157,000. For Johnson, who spent barely 24 hours at Mount Sinai, the hospital charges approached $27,000.
And that's only part of the bill:
  • And even that figure represents just a fraction of the total billed. While the hospitals charge for room and board as well as equipment and drugs, the surgeons, anesthesiologists and other medical professionals who treat gunshot victims in emergency rooms across the city typically bill separately.
And guess who's paying? We'll give you a hint - it's seldom the people with the holes in their bodies.

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97 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Years ago my asshole uncle was shot in the leg and his artery was hit... I recall his bill hitting 600k and it did not get paid. Or maybe everyone else paid it.

7/22/2017 12:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"THEY" pay for absolutely nothing but cost us everything.

7/22/2017 12:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Coward and pivon at it's finest.....overload and destroy the pillar institutions.

7/22/2017 12:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And guess who's paying? We'll give you a hint - it's seldom the people with the holes in their bodies

hint #2 it aint the people who do the shooting....

escape madiganistan....quickly!

7/22/2017 01:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Chiraq is a liberal utopia. No Republicans anywhere to blame!

7/22/2017 01:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No wonder this city / county /state is f#+*ing broke!

7/22/2017 02:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The cost of treatment should be covered by the bullet and firearm tax. That was the purpose of the tax when Fuckwinkle saddled everyone who buys bullets or a firearm in Crook County? Just like the soda tax was going to target health issues.

7/22/2017 02:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The medical costs are cheaper than what the City would pay to settle a lawsuit, if they had of done nothing and provided not medical care.

7/22/2017 02:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Army, Navy, and Air Force should send their combat medics, trauma nurses, and surgeons to Chicago for training.
Maybe add Detroit, St. Louis, Baltimore, and Detroit to the list?

7/22/2017 02:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Since we are no longer involved in a major conflict
like Vietnam, the best real-word training for trauma
surgeons are in inner-city hospitals

7/22/2017 03:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

City of Chicago is the new Detroit.

7/22/2017 03:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Off topic. Regarding the CPD dispatcher charged with aggravated battery. Being an ex homicide dic, I can tell you that if she was not white and not have CPD in her job title, the states attorney' s office would have never charged her. They would have gave the reasoning that it was mutual combatants and never have charged. Numerous previous cases are documented.

7/22/2017 03:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To post 7/22/2017 "City of Chicago is the new Detroit"....You must never have driven through Detroit or if you did you are blind as a bat. Certain parts of Englewood look like Edgebrook in comparison to the wasteland of Detroit. Miles and miles of wasteland. You would think it had been bombed.

7/22/2017 05:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is why Obama care sounded like a better alternative initially. Force the deadbeats to obtain coverage thereby offering some relief to the working class. Anyone have a better realistic alternative?

7/22/2017 05:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Off topic. Regarding the CPD dispatcher charged with aggravated battery. Being an ex homicide dic, I can tell you that if she was not white and not have CPD in her job title, the states attorney' s office would have never charged her. They would have gave the reasoning that it was mutual combatants and never have charged. Numerous previous cases are documented.

7/22/2017 03:53:00 AM

She doesn't have CPD in her job title. She has OEMC in her job title. I see you read Nader Issa's lie in the Sun Times.

7/22/2017 06:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There's nothing that can't be fucked up by liberal democrats and their protected criminals and illegal aliens. But everything will be okay, they'll raise taxes again to pay for damages caused by those that pay no taxes, or work, or rent, or insurance,...

J.J.

7/22/2017 06:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Off topic. Regarding the CPD dispatcher charged with aggravated battery. Being an ex homicide dic, I can tell you that if she was not white and not have CPD in her job title, the states attorney' s office would have never charged her. They would have gave the reasoning that it was mutual combatants and never have charged. Numerous previous cases are documented.

Someone throws water at me while I am driving, I keep driving. Period. You step out the vehicle it escalates. Now if that person rams my car, I call 911. But to have the situation escalate and then you unload a clip? Wow and you say she should get a pass? WTF man.

7/22/2017 07:20:00 AM  
Blogger Mr. SouthSide said...

Pony up. Rahm needs his voters.

7/22/2017 07:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Around 50 cents....

7/22/2017 07:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's free!

Swipe your EBT!

Unless of course, you're a retired police officer.

Remember that each and every time you show up for work.......

7/22/2017 07:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Progressive democrats like Dart, Prekwinkle, Foxxx et al all raise the arguement that it costs too much taxpayer money to incarcerate or house violent criminals. Most shootings have multiple gunshot victims and costs to taxpayers are enormous. From an economics standpoint, wouldn't it be cheaper to keep the recidivists locked up given those committing the actual acts of mass destruction and their proven propensity to commit additional acts of violence once released being given just one more chance to turn their life around?

And by the way, when was the last time a progressive democrat had an actual interest in saving taxpayers money? And why are those charged with the relentless shooting, robbing and killing have the commom theme of being recently released on personal recognizance or I-bonds, parole, electronic monitoring or on active probation? Keep 'em locked up and may the Rham-O-Cide numbers will plumment like the approval ratings of the city council.

7/22/2017 08:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

7/22/2017 02:49:00 AM

They already send military medical personnel to train at St. Rogers before they deploy. So thanks Dude, your nonsense is helping keep real heroes alive.

7/22/2017 08:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wait, how can this be?
Obamacare requires that everyone have medical insurance or pay a fine
We have to check off the insurance box on our 1040 every year, did they lie?
O, I get it. They don't have insurance and the taxpayer pays the fine
Never mind

7/22/2017 08:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Those people should have the bill taken out of the EBT monthly

7/22/2017 08:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rahm too preoccupied with being a groupie for
MeatBute, Chicago's only Meat Loaf tribute band

7/22/2017 08:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's NEVER those people. Just another slice of the worlds biggest social program called the American ghetto. Let's call it "reparations paid in full" and move on. But to suggest some sort of responsibility would be racist I'm sure.

7/22/2017 08:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about a tax on those pizza "deliveries " in Cook County Jail?

7/22/2017 08:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My concern is that the ambulance ride courtesy of the City of Chicago will not get paid. When the city sends out that ambulance service bill, who will pay for these lifesaving efforts? The ambulances and e.m.s. personnel provide emergency services which may be a thing of the past given so many "poor" or "criminally justice involved" ridership refuse and won't ever pay their bills leading to trauma taxi bankruptcy or a critical E.M.S. funding crisis.

But if it is determined that one has the means to pay for ambulance services, letters seeking payment requesting payment from your insurer, medicaid or personally follow with a threat of turning this unpaid city debt over to a collection agency. Incidently, the collection agency has numerous municipal contracts with coincidently democrat controlled governments. Maybe its time to introduce another 911 tax to your celluar bill never to the holders of obama phones or pass a property tax increase onto homeowners never section 8 recipients.

7/22/2017 08:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ot- the combination of shitty manpower and weekly weekend overtime to keep down crime being a failure has the commander of 004 floating 10hr days. New guys love the idea because they can't use thief comp time anyway.

7/22/2017 08:38:00 AM  
Anonymous The Neanderthal said...

...anď my insurance won't pay for a $60 back brace. "Morphine drip?" Ha. My doctor's crazy receptionist refers to ANY medication -- water pills for blood pressure, aspirin -- as "narcotics."

Wear your old 'Nam jungle boots with the steel insoles in the West Side parks...all those needles...

7/22/2017 08:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No need to worry.
0bamacare will pay for ALL of it.

7/22/2017 08:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"THEY pay for absolutely nothing but cost us everything"

...and THEY always need a cigarette, a match, fifty cent, twenty dollar, an "ink pin," plastic cup...your fellow citizens are not a dispenser for your petty-ass momentary, daily needs.

7/22/2017 09:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just heard Cindy and Kimmie aka salt and pepper snuck in a couple folks into Mass Trans on no bid, FOP please do something,!!! How many coppers on job with seniority did they illegally cheat, this is worse that Lt cheating scandal!!

7/22/2017 09:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Off topic. Regarding the CPD dispatcher charged with aggravated battery. Being an ex homicide dic, I can tell you that if she was not white and not have CPD in her job title, the states attorney' s office would have never charged her. They would have gave the reasoning that it was mutual combatants and never have charged. Numerous previous cases are documented.
7/22/2017 03:53:00 AM

The incident was caught on a pod camera. 9th district desk, other officers in 9 and some people in oemc saw the pod camera video of the incident. The police dispatcher was the aggressor.

On the one hand I am a strong believer in conceal carry. On the other hand, carrying a gun around is a huge responsibility. All of this because of a road rage incident? Was it still worth it?

7/22/2017 09:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Army, Navy, and Air Force should send their combat medics, trauma nurses, and surgeons to Chicago for training.
Maybe add Detroit, St. Louis, Baltimore, and Detroit to the list?

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And they have for years! I remember as a PPO 23 years ago my FTO was showing me where county was and I saw people in uniform with lab coats on and sure enough was told exactly the above.

7/22/2017 09:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Army, Navy, and Air Force should send their combat medics, trauma nurses, and surgeons to Chicago for training.
Maybe add Detroit, St. Louis, Baltimore, and Detroit to the list?

7/22/2017 02:49:00 AM

They have for years. The army has doctors training at stroger.

7/22/2017 09:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And how about a new rule that you a victim and don't cooperate with the police, then no medical care for you, unless you have insurance.

Snitches get stiches?

How about no snitching means no stiching?

Call the next case. Not a cop.

7/22/2017 09:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

how are these peeps ever going to be able to afford soda pop?

7/22/2017 09:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

yes but so many brain surgeons, heart doctors, great artists have been saved in Chicongo ER's that it's worth every penny of it

If Chicongo had to spend it's entire budget in the ER saving the privileged ones then so be it

If you keep Rahm next Democrat POTUS will rescue Chicongo with a flood of $$$ & you'll be sure to keep the Rahmista's in power for all eternity

Plus being an ER doctor in Chicongo is way way better training for these young doctor's than any other battlefield they could be operating in

In light of this expense, it seems imminently sensible that every member of the chosen people be paid $50,000 or more, cash money a year for every year they stay out of the ER for gun-shot wounds, stabbings, etc

7/22/2017 09:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They wake up with " gimme " and go to bed with " I want." ♠️

7/22/2017 09:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am so happy to see this article made print. Preckwinkle, Foxx and the rest of the liberal morons keep trying to convince people that the cost of locking up criminals is too high. They disguise their racially based radical social agenda as a fiscal issue. As this article points out, the cost of NOT locking bad guys up is much higher than the cost of locking them up. NOT locking them up has only served to embolden them in their disrespect for authority and their desire to cause havoc and harm. NOT locking them up has allowed them to go out into the streets and create enormous expense caused by their violence. NOT locking them up is bankrupting this city, state and country. Preckwinkle and Foxx are a dangerous scourge.

7/22/2017 09:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Anonymous Anonymous said...
The Army, Navy, and Air Force should send their combat medics, trauma nurses, and surgeons to Chicago for training.
Maybe add Detroit, St. Louis, Baltimore, and Detroit to the list?

7/22/2017 02:49:00 AM

Huh?

Combat medics and military surgeons have been
doing training stints at Chicago level 1 trauma
centers since at least the early 90's.

Where have YOU been?
Under a rock or something?

Gun-Shot trauma care and therapy/rehab
for the members of Dude Inc., that wholly
owned subsidiary of Rahm & Co., is being
used as a weapon against upright citizens
ever being able to take their city/municipal
government back via the ballot box.

If you taxpayers want your city back you will
have to be willing to take up conservatism and
the bullet box since they've nullified the ballot box.

The cumulative cost of Dude's trauma care is the
massive hidden tax that the democrats and their
Liberal Progressive/Alinskyite kin don't want YOU
PEOPLE wising-up and talking about.

The same kind of massive hidden tax that was
folded into that monstrous atrocity known as
Obama Care.

...And the sick, twisted fucks who were instrumental
in foisting Obama Care on this nation have all grudgingly
admitted that it was nothing but an income siphoning
scheme aimed directly at the many to pander to the few
who make up Democratic voting catered-to constituencies.

They cynically dressed it up in, "taking care of the less
fortunate" to keep the taxpaying citizenry from recognizing
what it really was.

Another attempt at nullifying the ballot box.
Or so they thought.

The recent election showing that perhaps the citizenry
haven't been lulled into as deep a sleep as they thought.

So now what?

7/22/2017 10:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The gunshots holes are free, the criminals go free and the porkwinkle bullet tax is a scam.
We all know hospitals are not charity wards, St Roger's is the exception.
They're here to make money, from the wage earning individual, through their insurance coverage and lastly and mostly Medicare-Medicaid.
Not too many working people are getting shot at 1:00 - 5:00 a.m.

There's a standard of care provided to most anyone that arrives, minus any wait in line.
The biggest burden on the taxpayer is the Medicare-Medicaid fraud that's in the billions every years.
Over billing and unnecessary treatment.
Many of the fraudsters are foreign doctors that operate out of clinics.
Let's say the GS victim goes to the clinic for follow up treatment. After all medical treatments like meds, P-T and bandages, there is an allowable "psychological assessment" and another 12 weeks of psych trauma therapy - billed to Medicaid.
There's no limit. Ever wonder about that guy you wrote a Heard Shots-Felt Pain report for? He was previously shot 4 or 5 times in his 30 years of ghetto life? Wonder at what point he reaches his $1 mil lifetime insurance benefit like the taxpayers policy.
Hospitals make their nut on line item charges, like $113 per Tylenol pill and $189 bedpan.
(Had a feral shoplifter arrestee that was given an MRI for a headache. Oops, he moved let's do another.)


If we continue to elect folks like Rahm, Prickwinkle and KFXxxx the lawless gun shooting hoodlums will continue to shoot at their targets and anyone that stands in their way.

7/22/2017 10:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do "they" actually pay for anything ?

7/22/2017 10:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The courts have said if an officer places himself in a position which causes him to get hurt he can't use the risk he created to justify using deadly force (like jumping in front of a fleeing car). Wouldn't it be nice if gunshot victims who, while engaged in some sort of criminal activity, had to pay their own medical expenses? Fuck'em. I'm tired of my taxes going to pay for the recovery of some POS gang banger.

7/22/2017 10:19:00 AM  
Blogger Cuthbert J. Twillie said...

Like day follows night, you can bet the rent that these leftist assholes get their digs in against law abiding gun owners: ......

>>> '...the powerful gun lobby has successfully stifled research on gun violence at the federal level.' <<<

What's to goddamn research. NRA Members and Law abiding gun owners aren't out there doing Drive-bys and filling Emergency Rooms with gunshot victims. It's Gangbangers and Ghetto dwelling scumbags doing that. Not one of whom bought their gun or ammo legally.
______
And do you think one slam at lawful gun owners is enough, nah, no f--king way: ....
>>> It's much the same story nationally with research on gun violence, including its financial costs, chilled by cuts in funding to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The federal agency lost funding in 1996 in the wake of legislation pushed by the gun lobby that prohibited spending federal dollars on efforts to "advocate or promote gun control." ' <<<

Yeah, how outrageous, harrumph (/s). Whatever could be wrong with a Federal Agency, the CDC, using Tax Payer funds to issue propaganda pushing for more, and draconian, Federal Restrictions on a God given Right as protected by the US Constitution in the Second Amendment of the Bill of Rights.

FYI, as I recall the CDC already had hospitals lined up -- Northwestern Memorial Hospital was one -- ready to declare 'gun violence' a Public Health Hazard and the CDC would take control of firearms under Heath Regulations -- being regulations the CDC would bypass Congress!

7/22/2017 10:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Army, Navy, and Air Force should send their combat medics, trauma nurses, and surgeons to Chicago for training.
Maybe add Detroit, St. Louis, Baltimore, and Detroit to the list?

7/22/2017 02:49:00 AM

Ummm they already do. Cook county has already trained numerous surgeons prior to deployment so look at the bright side, how many lives of the meaningful have been saved because of the carnage of the useless.

7/22/2017 10:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The costs Stroger Trauma Unit are staggering. Your numbers don't begin to capture the expense of treatment. Most discuss injuries as life threatening or non-life threatening. The reality is that so many of the injuries that we receive are catastrophic and include; paralysis, major extremity amputations, multiple organ failures, blindness and brain damage. Often times, shooting victims come to us multiple times and still carry bullets from previous shootings that we could not remove. Rarely are they cooperative and there is never a thought of billing them for the deep, six figure medical bills that arise. When you factor in follow-up medical treatment, physical therapy and prescription drugs, a single gang member frequently cost the tax-payers between $250,000 and $650,000 per visit. If they have a major permanent disability, such as paralysis, amputation, kidney function loss or similar level, the cost is exponentially higher. Multiply that by all of the penetrating traumatic injuries (gun shot wounds and knife wounds) and recognizing that virtually none of the victims have medical insurance and you begin to appreciate the costs.

7/22/2017 10:38:00 AM  
Blogger Doug Book said...

Those currently figuring out the cost of repairing gun shot victims will soon be told to drop their study. Why? Because they will be drawing a great deal of attention to one particular race in a display of just how costly its members are to taxpayers. A clear case of raaaaacism at work.

7/22/2017 10:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Any figure given to the general public by politicians/media is going to be doctored. The real costs may cause us to revolt.

7/22/2017 10:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Army Navy Air force should send their combat medics to Chicago for training" post....Uh...What rock have you been living under? When I came on the job in 86' they were already at Cook County doing just that! ER trauma and surgery specifically gun shot wounds.

7/22/2017 10:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank God for ObamaCare.

7/22/2017 11:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

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Anonymous Anonymous said...
Years ago my asshole uncle was shot in the leg and his artery was hit... I recall his bill hitting 600k and it did not get paid. Or maybe everyone else paid it.

7/22/2017 12:08:00 AM

Everyone pays. Why do you think Tylenol is $3 per tablet? Gauze is $23?

If we are lucky, the charges get paid by Medicaid or Medicare, which means us. If we are sort of lucky, the charges that don't get paid by government will get paid by the other poor schmucks that use the hospital, like the middle class family with a kid with a 103F fever on Sunday night. If we are really unlucky, too much doesn't get paid, and the hospital goes belly up.

7/22/2017 11:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I guess this was one of the ways the former POS of the US meant when he said it was time to spread the wealth...

7/22/2017 12:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bloomberg / huffington post had an article in 2013 that estimated the cost of gunshots in Chicago was 2.5 billion per year . And that was using 2013 shooting totals so it's more like 4.5 billion today.

7/22/2017 12:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
The Army, Navy, and Air Force should send their combat medics, trauma nurses, and surgeons to Chicago for training.
Maybe add Detroit, St. Louis, Baltimore, and Detroit to the list?

7/22/2017 02:49:00 AM

They have ALREADY been doing that for decades.
Article from August of 1990:

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1990-08-17/news/9003090136_1_emergency-rooms-falklands-war-wounded

And not just in Chicago, but in St. Louis, Cincinatti, Cleveland, Detroit, Baltimore and Los Angeles. You'd almost expect to see Hawkeye and Trapper John giving tours at Stroeger while Radar hands out coffee and donuts.

7/22/2017 12:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The military does come to chiraq to train

7/22/2017 12:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And that's just them coming into the doors feet first.
If they become some type of para/quad or BI, then that opens another long, continuous stream of lifestyle changes and never ending stream of expenses.

Last year neighbor just had a surgical procedure done on her knee. The bill was for $10K. Obamacare paid the hospital $600.

Something is wrong in Mr. Rodgers' neighborhood.

7/22/2017 12:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Extremely expensive business. If it can be proven that a particular gang member shot someone, then the City/County/Hospitals all ought to sue the particular gang member, and the gang to which he belongs to recover the money.

These fuckers are slingin' all day long, tax free. Picking up LINK, LIHEAP, etc. on our dime - time for them to pay out. If they want to have a war, that's fine. They need to pay for it.

Sure, this sounds absurd, but compare and contrast with RICO statutes and this isn't so far off.

7/22/2017 12:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sick and Tired of paying for these shot-up Dog-Ass inner-city Lowlife Gang Bangers and Drug Peddlers. Let these Motherfuckers die on the street. They are worthless drains on society anyways, and are bankrupting the Taxpayers. And Fuck Rahm Emanuel and Madigan too. And the rest of the Democrat Commies also.

7/22/2017 01:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

From the file of, "Be careful what you wish for",expect Aviation Security to be disbanded soon. They will be give an option to be retrained armed and absorbed by CPD just in time for Holiday Window Detail, THEN sent to training Districts like 5,6,7,11 and 15 after. Expect Superbid of roughly 50 to O'Hare and 25 to Midway and private security contracts to pick up nonessential security posts at airports as well as Special Employment again. Mich Ave is worried the Van Dyke situation and doesn't want a replete of last year shutting things down.

7/22/2017 01:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Saving those honor students is well worth the cost.

7/22/2017 02:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hospital charges are 90% horsesh*t. There is little relationship between the cost of service and the billing cost. If the billed amount is $157,000, the hospital will be lucky to collect $10,000. An insurance company would eviscerate the bill with negotiated rates at a fraction of the billed amount. If a person self-pays, the hospital will accept a fraction of the billed amount because they know that working people would file for bankruptcy before paying hyper-inflated bills.

In the past, the hospital would write off the costs as "charity". Now they expect people to have Obamacare so the government will pay. That's why the University of Chicago is finally building a trauma center - because they now expect to get paid by the government.

7/22/2017 03:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Regarding...
She doesn't have CPD in her job title. She has OEMC in her job title. I see you read Nader Issa's lie in the Sun Times.

7/22/2017 06:51:00 AM

Give the guy a break. He's merely citing what the yellow journalism media portrays her as to continue to slam the real police as a whole. His point is well taken by those who actually understood his post. The same applies to Kabrini Kimmy who who will continue to spend her entire career punishing 'anything' anti-police, however remote. Cheez!

7/22/2017 03:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

no comments on the article also...wonder why?

7/22/2017 04:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is a fiction that these people deserve this and are worth this, but fiction is easy to create. It's as if the real world were no different from a movie or television show - these vast amounts of money are the cost of production.

7/22/2017 04:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Shouldn't they all be on Obamacare?

7/22/2017 05:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bs ..little money recovered from them welfare deadbeats using hospitals for gun shot victims .. Medicaid or real name welfare ,pays pennies on dollar in hospital charges ..often a year later ...
Maybe Toni, the stroger taxwinkle should have a 5 cent/oz tax on soda drinks in Crook County,IL

7/22/2017 05:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Those potential architects and nuerosurgeons deserve a second chance.

Sarc

7/22/2017 07:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

better shot placement would eliminate this shit.what we need is a shooting range for gangbangers to hone their skills.or maybe a purge night

7/22/2017 08:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm still paying on my double hernia from 2015. If you have anything to take, they'll (hospital) will sue you for it. These "victims" have nothing so the hospitals write it off, and the doctors chalk it up to good experience to practice their art.

7/22/2017 08:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's a dirty little secret, actually they don't care if people know, that they don't even bill these shitheads who get shot in the hood. I once asked Lil Jerry from Chicago and Ridgeway, after the fifth time I came on to the scene of him being shot if he ever paid for any of the medical attention he received from county. And he said hell no, he never once even got sent a bill. And yes, it is us paying their way. Another reason why Illinois is the worst run state in the US. Too much pandering to the savages.

7/22/2017 09:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Someone throws water at me while I am driving, I keep driving. Period. You step out the vehicle it escalates. Now if that person rams my car, I call 911. But to have the situation escalate and then you unload a clip? Wow and you say she should get a pass? WTF man.

+++++

Not arguing the merits of the case but one round is different than emptying a "clip" into someone. Hint, it's a magazine, high speed. A clip holds a line of ammo that is inserted into a magazine, usually a rifle, or into an internal box magazine like a WW2 M-1. I'd like to think I wouldn't fight someone for hitting me with a water bottle or any object for that matter but people act with zero respect for others these days. That's just something I wouldn't do. Not saying it's right to shoot someone either. I'm definitely far more passive and unlikely to fight being a cop, on or off duty, than if I was just a normal citizen. Anyways, this is a fucked up case.

7/22/2017 09:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Re: combat medics
Was told by a returning medic in the 90s
that they started to work trying to save the
lives of sheep shot with various weapons?
Can anybody confirm that?

7/22/2017 09:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As has been said before, the numbers of shot ank killed would be much higher without the heroic work of hospital trauma units.

7/22/2017 10:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Most of the thugs that survive because of excellent medical treatment, and are left with long term nursing care end up in a nursing home bed next to your Grandma, courtesy of taxpayers.

7/22/2017 10:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OT
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-edu-claremont-students-suspended-20170722-story.html

7/22/2017 10:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Better to to give the money to the doctors than the lawyers. Doctors are a noble profession.

7/22/2017 11:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Shouldn't they all be on Obamacare?

7/22/2017 05:05:00 PM

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Do you understand how Obamacare works stupid?

If they are bust-out welfare recipients they receive whats called a "Subsidy".

For your low IQ ass that means the taxpayers; US pay for them.

7/22/2017 11:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes, this is bad. How about this; a Chicago healthcare company providing medicare coverage is currently treating a baby for drug addiction after she was brought into this world by an addict. The bill so far (and it's not anywhere done) is already $2 MILLION! And WE are paying for it. Add this to the many other kids like this, along with the thousands shot every year, it's no wonder the state and city has no money.

7/23/2017 12:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
They wake up with " gimme " and go to bed with " I want." ♠️

7/22/2017 09:52:00 AM

Thought it was "Gibs me dat" and "I want."

7/23/2017 01:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A $500 metal plate?!!! $246 screws?!!! I hope she got a lifetime warranty and free rotation every 3 - 5 years!

J.J.

7/23/2017 06:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I remember that when I had to handle a crash etc... and went to cook county triage, they had signs on the wall with the bill for services for treatment at the hospital. I had to laugh at the prices and wondered if they actually sent out a bill to anyone? Are those notices still posted there? Maybe a state law to post?

7/23/2017 08:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can heyjackass put on his front page the running cost of each shooting and homicide. Including the cost percentage based on race, gender, and location. They might just show a pattern of who is costing the tax payers the most money. Your democrat politicians who divert it. That is why they never talk about it, they know its real cost and damage to the tax payers, but it will also be political suicide. So as they took their oath, they are truly not doing it to the best of their ability. They just want votes so they hide it and blame it on someone else.

7/23/2017 09:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Shouldn't they all be on Obamacare?

7/22/2017 05:05:00 PM

----------------

Do you understand how Obamacare works stupid?

If they are bust-out welfare recipients they receive whats called a "Subsidy".

For your low IQ ass that means the taxpayers; US pay for them.


7/22/2017 11:11:00 PM

_____

What is a subsidy?

7/23/2017 09:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And in other news:

3 Men Blocked I-80 Ramp Before Early Morning Carjacking
A report indicates three suspects carjacked a vehicle on the I-80 ramp to I-355 in New Lenox early Saturday morning.
By Tim Moran (Patch Staff) - Updated July 23, 2017 12:41 am ET

https://patch.com/illinois/newlenox/carjacking-reported-new-lenox

7/23/2017 09:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Costs never mentioned in Goodfellas.
Hardest thing is working rock classics into
soundtrack at appropriate points: Sunshine by Cream,
Atlantis by Donavan, Leyla by Clapton.

7/23/2017 10:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

On the Obama Care posts, surely Federal tax dollars, not State would pay? Tax payers would pay (of course), but it wouldn't bankrupt State coffers. Yes, or no?

7/23/2017 10:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Most of the thugs that survive because of excellent medical treatment, and are left with long term nursing care end up in a nursing home bed next to your Grandma, courtesy of taxpayers.

Which is why I refuse to put my 94 y/o mother in a nursing home. Dont need Pookie's friends visiting 10' away. Plus 1/2 the staff members have + CQH's.

7/23/2017 11:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's an interesting problem. Obviously most of the ones being shot are gang bangers, but occasionally a tax payer gets hit. Think about that: come into the city for a cheeseburger, end up with a gunshot wound and a $150k bill. Wish I still had my insurance. That got taken away under "you can keep your plan, you can keep your doctor" Obawacare. Apparently the deductible was too high. So now instead of a $10k deductible, it's an infinite deductible. And whose fault is that? (hint: my total tax bill could pay for THREE insurance policies...time to move to 1% Indiana and pay into THAT insurance pool?)

I know the hood is massively underfunded due to no one there working or paying taxes, but still, they get funds from elsewhere to stay afloat. I say, a gangbanger shoots someone and they incur medical expense, those expenses should come out of the gangbanger's neighborhood community chest. You don't like your community chest being raided? Stop raising and tolerating gangbangers.

7/23/2017 12:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


"It's gibsemedat, now, cuz I needs dis"

But hey, I thought Obamacare was gonna fix all these problems with healthcare and stuff?
Sup Wit Dat?

And to the "water bottle" folks upthread.... you sound like the fools who say cars aren't weapons. First, a bottle thrown at you may bee filled with dry ice and water, exploding when it hits you, it might be filled with drano and aluminum foil, heck it cold be filled with gasoline or HIV infected bodily fluids. So yeah, when thrown at you in malice it IS a weapon and it IS an attack worthy of self defense.

It is no different than throwing a rock.
Don't want to get shot for throwing a water bottle filled with who knows what?
Then don't throw it at someone. Pretty simple concept eh?
SO enough with this "escalation" CRAP OK? You see, exercising self defense is not Escalation, indeed it is an actually attempt to DEESCALATE by eliminating the threat and bring the CHI back to peaceful balance.

7/23/2017 01:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm still paying on my double hernia from 2015. If you have anything to take, they'll (hospital) will sue you for it. These "victims" have nothing so the hospitals write it off, and the doctors chalk it up to good experience to practice their art.

7/22/2017 08:32:00 PM

Many do not know that the State has what is called CLAWBACK authority over medicaid recipients. More don't understand that Obamacare hands that same authority to the Feds, and as part of Medicaid expansion directly. The armtwisting of the states to join in the CLAWBACK in order to continue to get medicaid monies is going to see these folks FINALLY having to pay - when grandma dies, her HOUSE is going to get a LIEN, and with no way to pay, four generations will be out of the house where they live and had Section 8 pay grandma a portion of their "rent".

This is one reason Dems are getting so NERVOUS about wanting to "FIX" Obamacare. The good stuff was frontloaded and the ugly truth sent to the back of the bus. Well, now is when those back bus things begin to happen. What are the gibsmedats gonna do when granny's house is taken by government and sold, and they find out it is democrats RESPONSIBLE, their beloved Obama himself who led the way?

Get your popcorn.

7/23/2017 01:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm still paying on my double hernia from 2015. If you have anything to take, they'll (hospital) will sue you for it. These "victims" have nothing so the hospitals write it off, and the doctors chalk it up to good experience to practice their art.

7/22/2017 08:32:00 PM

Many do not know that the State has what is called CLAWBACK authority over medicaid recipients. More don't understand that Obamacare hands that same authority to the Feds, and as part of Medicaid expansion directly. The armtwisting of the states to join in the CLAWBACK in order to continue to get medicaid monies is going to see these folks FINALLY having to pay - when grandma dies, her HOUSE is going to get a LIEN, and with no way to pay, four generations will be out of the house where they live and had Section 8 pay grandma a portion of their "rent".

This is one reason Dems are getting so NERVOUS about wanting to "FIX" Obamacare. The good stuff was frontloaded and the ugly truth sent to the back of the bus. Well, now is when those back bus things begin to happen. What are the gibsmedats gonna do when granny's house is taken by government and sold, and they find out it is democrats RESPONSIBLE, their beloved Obama himself who led the way?

Get your popcorn.

7/23/2017 01:09:00 PM


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states sue the baby daddy for child support when the mother collects welfare too - and it does happen

7/24/2017 08:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And in other news:

3 Men Blocked I-80 Ramp Before Early Morning Carjacking
A report indicates three suspects carjacked a vehicle on the I-80 ramp to I-355 in New Lenox early Saturday morning.
By Tim Moran (Patch Staff) - Updated July 23, 2017 12:41 am ET

https://patch.com/illinois/newlenox/carjacking-reported-new-lenox

Is that the part of New Lenox that is in the Rev. Rush's. Congressional district?

7/24/2017 08:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Anonymous said: "Which is why I refuse to put my 94 y/o mother in a nursing home. Dont need Pookie's friends visiting 10' away. Plus 1/2 the staff members have + CQH's. "

Yep, and at many such facilities many of those hired would not pass a background check.

But, I do have to say there are also many good staff members that try hard to do their job, but like in public employee jobs those people get little recognition.

7/24/2017 08:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Via The Hill:

President Trump will give a statement on healthcare on Monday afternoon, according to a schedule from the White House released Sunday night.

Ahead of the 3:15 p.m. statement, Trump will meet with “victims of ObamaCare.”

Earlier Sunday, Trump a warning about healthcare, saying, “If Republicans don’t Repeal and Replace the disastrous ObamaCare, the repercussions will be far greater than any of them understand!”

7/24/2017 08:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Not arguing the merits of the case but one round is different than emptying a "clip" into someone"

Just ask VanDyke, he can verify that for,you....

7/25/2017 12:33:00 AM  

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