Protect the Clout!
- Chicago police are seeking to fire a sergeant involved in two fatal shootings in recent years, but the charges deal instead with decade-old allegations that he concealed an arrest while applying to be a cop and moonlighted as a part-owner of a bar while on the force.
You'd think that a thorough background investigation would have revealed the arrest and bar ownership at some point. How could the investigators overlook something that obvious?
- Early last year, [P] won a merit promotion — one not based on test scores — to sergeant on the recommendation of Kevin Navarro, now first deputy superintendent.
Oh. Something that would have barred you or us from the job wasn't even a speed bump on the way to a "merit" promotion.
Once again, one set of rules for one class. Another set for the clouted. We're amazed they actually allowed Navarro's name to get attached to this train wreck. We're also surprised that Special Ed is being allowed to dredge up 17 year old allegations to grease the skids for what is undoubtedly going to end up in Court somewhere.
Once again, one set of rules for one class. Another set for the clouted. We're amazed they actually allowed Navarro's name to get attached to this train wreck. We're also surprised that Special Ed is being allowed to dredge up 17 year old allegations to grease the skids for what is undoubtedly going to end up in Court somewhere.
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posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
62 Comments:
I'll be the first to say that the Sgt is a great guy on the job bust especially off the job. A nice guy and a family man with a wife and young kids... remember that before trashing him just so you can scream about merit.. kind of a low blow scc to a guy who doesn't deserve it. A mild manner and soft spoken guy who keeps to himself and who has always taken care of the guys when he's in charge.
The Merit System is necessary, otherwise exemplary officers sometimes do poorly on tests. The merit system allows proven leaders to select great candidates... (snicker), (wheeze), ha!, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
OMG! I crack myself up sometimes.
Best SGT I ever worked for. 007 midnights 16 yotj
Nothing to see here, after all it is the Chicago way of doing city/county business.
17 years ago is not even relevant to today... if he gets fired, he will go to court and ultimately get his job back... let look at it, is the courts looking to screw the cop over or the department in firing or keeping this guy on the job. I am sure he has an employment lawyer on speed dial
Some how I have to believe someone dropped a dime to get the ball rolling. Piss off enough people and it comes back to bite you in the ass at the most inconvenient times.
Take a look at these numbers .. NYPD new Police Graduations ..in 2017
March ..'17 ..640 new officers
April...'17...474 new officers
July ...'17...524 new officers
Rahmicide Emanuel's new CPD officers ??? in 2017 ???? do you hear more o/t, cancelled days off ?
Tom Skilling says next 2 weeks upper 80s, lower 90s
Hey Gorner
Take a look at how many promotional parties took place at Gamekeepers bar?
Ask Navarro where his parties were held at?????
And you will see the way the parts all fit together.
I know since I was in IAD back in 2004 and watched how fast the Poulos case
Was buried And watched how every boss defended him.
This was standard practice in IAD and it still is now.
The department should be investigated because they ignored all these facts up until now.
Why hammer him now? Who called in the air strike on the Sgt? Every other thing they want covered up gets covered up and stays covered up. Ya hear about Denis Walsh lately? I didn't think so.
Everyone assumes that the person nominated is the personal first choice of the exempt. May not be the case. The exempts are told who to "nominate".
Poulos needs to be canned. Navarro needs to explain why he would submit this man to be promoted meritoriously to sgt. after Poulos rode the disability train for seven long years. The exempts who then pushed Poulos forward through the merit selection process have some explaining to do too. What exactly made Poulos stand out among all the names put in to be picked to receive his promotion?
The Fibune is on some bullshit, SCC...
This query and response from the comments section
of this Rahm & Co. orchestrated anti-Police hit piece.
Q: "What was result of the gun found in a bush or tree
that was discovered by a citizen and turned over to the
police which was along the route that the offender ran
before he was shot by the Sergeant?"
A: "Specific to your post, the paper didn't care to include
the recovery of the gun in this article. Send an email to
the reporter and try to pin down an answer."
This shooting incident had "Tha' Communerty" all riled up.
"He ain't have no gun!"
Etc. Ad Nauseam et Ad Infintum.
It was winter time when the shooting occurred.
The gun wasn't found until the spring thaw and
a good citizen saw fit to notify The Police to
come and collect the weapon.
The Department, CCSAO and the feds were going
to lynch the Sergeant.
As it is, we're seeing lots of end-arounds
of due process for Policemen.
It's as if second class citizenship is but
a foregone conclusion.
"You Cops knew it was gonna be like this
when you signed up so stop complaining
and start getting in the bad-guys faces.
Yeah...
Fibune skews HARD to the "Police Are The problem" narrative.
This guy has a lot of baggage and they have him a merit spot.
Well if this isn't a railroad job to the nth degree I don't know what is. They can't get him on the shootings so let's open decade old cases. Geeeeeeezus !
You can work your ass off, produce and go above and beyond the job. But it will get you no where unless you have a chinaman. You can kiss ass and and gain a reputation as a suck up. Or just stay fetal. Guess I'll take a nap. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Promote on merit, Then terminate. Absolute brilliance.
He may have clout and he may be an ass but what does that have to do with him being "involved in two fatal Shootings"? The media ignores that we are all paid to carry guns because we all may have to shoot someone on any given day. Often times those people or folks are killed in the process. The overwhelming percentage of those "fatal Shootings" help to make the city a better place, by eliminating life-long predatory savages.
Dare I say I've seen more stroke Sgts who made it off score than those who made it off merit.
Why was he on "disability" for 7 years?
Jeremy Gorner has to be the fucking dumbest cop newsie ever to hit these streets. "IF" he has ever even done that. He knows shit about the Dept. and doesnt listen to people who do. He's an A-typical Leftist newsie who has his head up his ass and doesnt see the simplest things.
Granted he works for a dick head newspaper but when you work a cop beat your supposed to know something about the Police Dept. And this guy is utterly clueless.
The department should be investigated because they ignored all these facts up until now.
Why hammer him now? Who called in the air strike on the Sgt? Every other thing they want covered up gets covered up and stays covered up. Ya hear about Denis Walsh lately? I didn't think so.
Lt. One "N" is well insulated and compensated by the Daley Crime Family...
WHEEEEEZZZZEEEE IS BACK,seen her "unmarked" car parked by her boyfriends house (ED),see only stayed a short time,looks like she was emptying out the trunk with groceries..
Well if this isn't a railroad job to the nth degree I don't know what is. They can't get him on the shootings so let's open decade old cases. Geeeeeeezus
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Remember Big Al got convicted of tax evasion. His cell was pretty nice for the time at Eastern State Pen in Philly if that is any consolation.
Y'all have graduated to politician status where if there is a skeleton 9.5 and Spec Ed will spare no expense or synapses of the brass collective brain cell (singular) to bring front to discredit.
Stay Safe and Police Smart.
Well if this isn't a railroad job to the nth degree I don't know what is. They can't get him on the shootings so let's open decade old cases. Geeeeeeezus !
Well, if that old case was buried in an attempt to corrupt the system, then yes, reopen it.
Looks like to me like the Sgt. was doing this job and now someone has it out for him. So he was put in for merit big deal he was working in 7 not hiding and on the street not like some of the people put in. Quick whinnying.
Jerry Breamen was a great guy to work for to, another merit hack, and when he got pinched for sweet talking some broad into giving him a tittie show near Lane Stadium, a thing you or I would have gone to the joint for, big Momma used her clout to get HIM his stripes back too. The victim was more then happy to just get the taxpayers "US" cash.
Yet another dirty little moment brought to you by Clout Inc. and their "special study group squad".
I dont care if this guy was blowing the Locker room. How many merit/clout hacks, folders gone missing, rules dont apply, ghetto Lottery pay outs do you peasants have to see to stop defending this shit?
Its at a point where a guy who has lived on the straight cant even look in the mirror anymore 'cause WERE the ones those IAD cock sucker treat like shit.
Have you figured out how all those IAD guys get promoted yet?
SCC, when posting tonight I’m sure you'll highlight the Sgt from 007 and his 30 days pending (Tribune article by Gorner)...I work on the 5th floor and this needs to be said:
1. This is a "public policy" decision from City Hall forcing this Sgt to the Police Board because of the recent publicity EVEN-THO DaSup was opposed to it since the November shooting. Lori Lightfood and a select few members of the PB have been pushing this agenda with the help of Judy Dever (Dep. Corp Counsel) and our own General Counsel (Tina Skahill and her idiot companion Charise Valente);
2. The Department knew as far back as 2010 when this Sgt voluntarily returned from LOA / DD about the CR allegations but NEVER acted on the CR or the 60 day suspension recommendation in the file;
3. It resurfaced again in the 2013 shooting and then again in his 2015 "Merit" bump to Sgt BUT McCarthy's view was "discipline delayed, is discipline denied";
4. He was ranked #2 in his merit interview (top 5 on that merit list were: #1 Scott, R (CPIC); #2 Poulos, J (007); #3 Connolly, L (current IAD Advocate); #4 Zogg, P (025) and #5 Thompson, P.(007) - I put this out only to disprove any naysayers on my info);
5. He was on LEAVE OF ABSENCE (NO pay, NO badge, NO police powers and NO benefits) when he bought the bar. His liquor license application has been FOID'd and it shows he disclosed on the PHQ that he was a "Chicago Police Officer on LOA pending Duty Disability." His application was approved by then Lt. Kirby in Vice/Licensing. The same Kirby who one year later got the 2004 CR when she was in IAD as Commander - odd that she would approve his license only to get a CR#, right?
6. This same Commander Kirby in 2006 then recommended a 60-day suspension for this CR in its entirety...maybe that's why McCarthy found this case absurd? Only the best and brightest can be Commanders in IAD, right Klimas?;
7. As far as his arrest history on his Pers. History Questioner (PHQ) - the Sgt had his record expunged prior to joining the department BUT here’s the lingering question...since the Sgt had also applied in 1999 (but withdrew his application) and disclosed the arrest history, wouldn't the Investigator have had his file from 1999 and his 2000 file where they claim he lied????! Did he disclose to the Investigator? Did the Investigator feel since his record was expunged and the arrest was a decade prior to his application that it didn't matter? Hmmm? Would that misdemeanor arrest have kept him off the job (prob not)?
8. Had this Sgt never been involved in the "JUSTIFIED" shooting in Nov. 2016, OR would have been shot during that altercation... would this file have ever surfaced? And if it had, would it have been put back in the hole they found it?
9. What about the gun they found that prompted IPRA to issue a letter to the Department on February 24th, 2017 to reinstate this Sgt?
10. That in fact this Sgt was reinstated by the Department and placed in HQ as an administrative Sgt in HR (but truthfully, DaSup wanted to send him back to 007 because he needed to show the troops that the Department had their backs - NOT);
11. This Sgt (my friend) drank the cool-aid and believed he had the backing of the Department (and he did for awhile until someone held DaSup's feet to the fire) but HE SHOULD NOT BE SACRIFICED FOR BEING AN IDIOT (OR MERIT).
12. I wish him the best. He's gonna go through hell and I hope he makes out in one piece.
Stay strong JP, we know who you truly are and are glad you are one of us.
The merit promotion process is broken and seems to be responsible for a lot more harm than good. Anyone notice an 800 lb. gorilla hanging around HQ?
I definitely don't give a fuck and why should anyone else after the Lt scam and cheating bastards the department needs to sweep around their own front door
All cheaters and liars at the top stop picking on us poor Sgts who carry the department and out there with the front line Officers trying to make a difference
Just so everyone is clear - POULOS was NOT on duty disability. He NEVER collected one dime from our pension system and that can be verified by a simple FOIA request. He was on L.O.A. pending Duty Disability for 6 years, which means no pay, no star, no police powers and no benefits while having multiple surgeries for his IOD (run over by a car).
His case was prolonged by the pension board awaiting the outcome of his surgeries till the day he returned. POULOS then signed a waiver sometime in 2010 (also can be verified by a FOIA request to the pension board) giving up any back pay the board owed him - this was never about the money for this Sgt. How many of us can say that?
As for the guy who was in IAD in 2004 - name the bosses in 2004 that covered this up? Or, are YOU just one of those who likes to throw fuel on a fire just to watch it burn. Because, I can name the bosses that did not AND WORKED HAND-IN-HAND with the pension board to generate the 2004 CR to force POULOS back to work even though he needed surgeries (which the City finally approved in 2005). The Department has quit a bit of files that get lost every year because of an antiquated system of record keeping. If you were truly in IAD then you would def be aware of this fact. Also, this CR was generated (by KIRBY) as a means of pressuring POULOS back to work because he was making waves about our poor medical referral system - looks like that wave finally caught up to him.
As for CLOUT, you tell me if you think this is clout:
2001-2003: Assigned to 007 midnights;
2203-2010: IOD no pay status LOA/DD;
2010-2015: Midnights in 004 w a brief stint on days in CAPS after his shooting
2015: Academy to teach LAW for 4 months. Voluntarily cancelled his detail (FOIA his file) back to 004;
2015: Back to 004 on a mission team w CAPS (days);
Late 2015-2017 Promoted to Sgt back to 007 on midnights.
2017: HQ then 30 pending at home now probably.
Yep, CLOUT...always-on PATROL and mostly on midnights, screams CLOUT. Ohhhh, and I’m sure when Navarro put him in for merit everyone knew he would be the FIRST 3 years later - c'mon man!!! Sometimes, PO's get noticed for whatever reason and gain the trust of a boss - maybe that was his path to merit.
But lets be honest, that merit bump was a curse not a gift - would you want to be in his shoes right now?
I know a lot of nice guys on the job and they are also great "family men". However, they never broke the rules. Where is their merit promotion?
This sh%# will never end.
This will all become part of Rahms new multifaceted, "It's Not Me, It's Them" strategy. Expect any IAD or IPRA investigation to be tried in the court of public opinion. Look for serious suspension time for any infraction to portray Rahm as a reformer saddled with the, "Gang That Couldn't Shoot Straight" inherited from Daley and McCarthy. With contract negotiations looming he has actually floated the idea of a Pay Cut or Freeze to offset the Bag Tax budget shortfall and that police are overpaid and don't deserve a raise.Expect different videos ordered to be released every night to his TV Media puppets of CPD looking crazy, racist,brutal or lazy. He needs a percentage of Black Dem voters to see him as their ONLY choice in his reelection bid so expect a scorched earth policy against the police and their families EVEN if it incites more violence against us or public disgust. The Sgt Poulos situation is the first of many expected "Scandals" to come out. He will supposedly force the resignations of Poulos Clout, although they he is close to retirement anyway. Expect more to come from the horrible tragedy with the Off Duty P.O. as well as a chase from O'Hare that supposedly left the Supt speechless. He LOATHES us and would be willing to cause race riots to be reelected and divert attention from his meddling in the McDonald case. There's supposed to be a catalog of videos coming soon of bad chases, cops being lazy and racist posts from the police about the housing projects in 016. He really is a desperate and awful man as most narcissists are.
Sounds like City Hall is about to up its war against us, BE WARNED! You don't want to be the next YouTube Sensation. Rahm is out for blood.
Part-time tavern owner and Daley-Burke go hand in hand.
Navarroon more likely put his signature on a long gone boss Merit recommendation as many Merit bosses do for one another.
No expiration date or the window never closes on Merit applications.
IAD is proving more and more to be a dysfunctional operation also.
Firing him only makes a spot open for a Special Ed pick.
Want a solution?
Eliminate all Merit Promotions (exception to Line of Duty).
The gun was found btw but you won't hear that in the news, also had the offenders DNA on it.
Good job Forensics missing it during your canvas and an old lady trimming her hedges finds it...
What dose the weasel Navarro have to say about this? Cue the crickets.
With all due respect Ssc, your opinion of this Sgt is dead wrong. This guy was a great police officer and was out on the street actually doing police work.
his sponsor should be demoted
why isn't this front page news
what about sgt that should have been fired for taking xrated photos of a lady stopped for traffic violation near wgn studios also a merit sgt ,beat rap because of clouted relative
cpd now , as we speak , hired a recruit without required military or 60 college credits
background investigator should be fired
nonymous said...
Poulos needs to be canned. Navarro needs to explain why he would submit this man to be promoted meritoriously to sgt. after Poulos rode the disability train for seven long years. The exempts who then pushed Poulos forward through the merit selection process have some explaining to do too. What exactly made Poulos stand out among all the names put in to be picked to receive his promotion?
7/08/2017 01:25:00 AM
Frankly, these are questions that you could pose to any of the merit promotees, questions that should be asked of them and their answers made public. It is clear from the folks that have been running the department for the past 20 years that the best, smartest and most capable people just can't pass a written promotion examination based on department rules, procedures, criminal law and must be appointed through all of the ranks based on their demonstrated police abilities. fact is, they have not demonstrated shit.
Insp K.A. Lumpee merit capt, by Hilliard, Brn nose, what a stem.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Well if this isn't a railroad job to the nth degree I don't know what is. They can't get him on the shootings so let's open decade old cases. Geeeeeeezus
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Agree it's pretty bad, and I really dislike clout babies like Dilllon.
Say what you want about the merit process itself- the 1st poster, and a few others had it right.
JP is/was a class act as a sgt. Always looked out for those under him, and was sharp as a whip. He was never a hardass who let merit get to his head. He always went out of his way to lend a hand, or help those with questions. In dealing with dude, he had an uncanny way of communicating with them that was both smart and efficient.
While you may think he didn't deserve his spot, the unfortunate reality of the merit system is that SOMEONE is going to get the spot, and we see all too often that the SOMEONE who gets it is incompetent and clueless about the job, is a real dickhead to work for, or a combination of both. At least JP's selection is one that was good for the guys//gals on the watch in 007.
So knock the process, not the man.
Anonymous said...
Best SGT I ever worked for. 007 midnights 16 yotj
7/08/2017 12:16:00 AM
You need to watch these merit guys closely. They all have an agenda, and that agenda is %100 their career. These guys come into the district after getting a merit bump from their great unit that they spent most of their time on the job at. They talk shit about the dept and the command staff to curry favor with the no-clout blue shirts. They will make comments like "I'm never leaving this place, I'll retire from this spot" or "I don't want a tact team, I like the guys on the watch. I would only do it if I could pick my guys". The clout baby might even start some drama with an unpopular Lieutenant or Sgt with no clout to make him or herself look like they are on the side of the blue shirts. A few months later they have a tact team that they swore they would never take, and then a year or so later it's off to a unit. They won't even remember your name. Unfortunately this guy stepped on his dick while going thru the cycle. Wash, rinse, repeat...you've never noticed this?
And you want to do Police work forgetaboutit
This guy is always in Navarro's office.
OT but clout related: yesterday Fr. Faker called 006 commander on personal cellphone and said he needed cars held down while his "peace picnic" gatherers left. So residents of gresham, while u were calling cause you were being robbed, beaten or in other danger, your jobs couldn't be dispatched cause cars couldn't leave Faker. You know the guy who hates the police but is so afraid of you citizens that he uses them to protect HIS interests? Remember that next time you go to Sabina and he tells you the police don't care.
JP is good people. This is a witch hunt which will cost the city lots of money.
SCC, if it's not clear what is happening, let me tell you: If you are in a shooting the policy of the City is to fire you. Period. Everyone has old CRs. Some more than others. Every one can be converted into a rule 14 for termination. All it takes is for EJ to decide you are guilty of something you denied. Since you denied it, and EJ thinks you're guilty-Rule 14. You're fired. This case is getting media because of Navarro's merit submission, but that has nothing to do with anything. The real story is: If you are in an incident where anyone protests, where you get negative media, where you expose the corrupt system (Glen Evans), Rahm has instructed the Department of Law to resurrect a CR - ANY CR - deem it sustained then fire you. Totally unethical? Lacking Due Process? If you don't recall, there is an election on the not too far horizon and law and ethics must take a back seat. I am 100% serious.
I don't care how great of a guy he is. He owned a bar while on the job that's a no no. He went on disability or took a leave whatever you want to call it to finish law school. How many others are afforded that treatment. He was clouted his whole career. And now he got caught.
You guys are missing the main issue. They will dig up what they can when you become a liability. Really. 17 years later. That's what should worry you. He's not the only one
Gorner almost stumbled on a real scoop but he doesn't get it. This guy's clout or whatever has nothing to do with anything. Rahm's Police Board, Eddie and Corp Counsel have their marching orders. Fire anyone involved in a deadly use of force, old or new, between now and Election Day. Make them sue. Been going on since the 5 from 008. All politics. No due process.
Am I reading correctly---hired in 2000 (withdrew from process in 1999) background included undisclosed misdemeanor arrest...does 7 years "disability"- becomes part owner in a tavern....and comes back and "earns merit promotion"...now stripped of police powers and working in human resources (hiring unit?--what a joke that would be)...if this is correct, Why does his clout-Navarro- still hold the #2 spot in department?
Good guy,Bad guy it doesn't matter if the machine need a body to help Rahm a body they will get. Watch your own back and your partners. Only believe half of what you see, nothing of what you hear. Trust only your Mother and think twice about her.
I love the one poster "ranked #2 on merit section". Ranked? Ranked what, in ability to kiss arse? I know someone is going to get the spot (because process is corrupt) and if, as him or his supporters here have said, he's one of the "good, working guys" why didn't he decline knowing that he didn't deserve that spot as he did with his academy run of 4 months?
Clout makes you beholden to whomever gave you that spot. Maybe instead maintain a good work ethic and not expect anything from doing your job. As for the arrest in his past, if he lied to get on then it should be looked into. It's like the nonsense of lowering the testing standards and only kicking military or police family applicants in order to pursue "social" standards, we should expect more NOT LESS from people that want to take this career path. Remember that socially engineered police officer may be sitting next to you one day and might endanger your life because they aren't cut out to do this job.
Just because you are LAPA, NOBLE, whatever it shouldn't shield you from consequences or work.
Everyone's missing the point...if this could happen to the "clouted" - WE (the regular PO's) don't stand a chance with this administration or Sup!!
Anonymous said...
I don't care how great of a guy he is. He owned a bar while on the job that's a no no. He went on disability or took a leave whatever you want to call it to finish law school. How many others are afforded that treatment. He was clouted his whole career. And now he got caught.
7/08/2017 07:05:00 PM
being an owner of a liquor license is a department rule, not a law. You probably can contest any penalty from the city. Coming after this guy after so many years will give him ammunition in any civil suit. But, as someone mentioned, trying to fire him for something that he did many years ago is what is scary and not right. It could happen to you
Just remember ladies & gentlemen when throwing stones at this Sgt or any other officer on what they may have/have not done, this could be YOU at any given point for the foreseeable future. What things are in "our" background? File? IPRA? CR's? that this administration can dredge up from your past to sustain a Rule 14, Rule 2 or Rule 3 (especially if we have been the working police). Closed cases only stay closed until the time when they need a body. Just look at the 2 guys from 004 who'll find themselves in the Sgt's shoes this week from a 10 year old IPRA file (that was closed and reopened after a 2015 justified shooting by one of them).
Stay fetal! Stay fetal! STAY FETAL!
Don't give them the opportunity to open any of your old cases. Stop chasing those guns-n-cars! Go to your jobs in an orderly fashion, lights-n-sirens, obey the speed limit and cut paper for everything (unless a 10-1, the get your ass to the job).
Remember the Sup's words "we got your back" and then REMEMBER "his actions" on multiple cases not just this Sgt's case.
Only the Sup can sign 30 days pending charges - and he's not shying away (as long as POLITICIANS are controlling the strings).
Valiant Knight ...I don't believe you would turn down a merit promotion. I can say that with some certainty since no one I've known has in the last 22 years. We all like to think we'd be the first until its presented & offered. You can lie to us but don't lie to yourself - we all know better.
What this Sgt did or did-not-do is irrelevant. The focus should be that it could happen any of us for a multitude of reasons, including you Valiant Knight. This Sgt's fate is in his hands. He will fight his fight whether victorious or not, he'll move on with life. What we should be doing is making sure WE ARE NOT THE NEXT ONE TO BE JUDGED by people on this blog, politicians, community activists disguised as Police Board members and especially by co-workers. This type of decisiveness is exactly what City Hall and unfortunately our 5th floor counts on to separate us.
ALSO, I can tell you with certainty that his being "merit" was discussed when the powers that be (Sup, Dever, Robillard, Gugiami, Robinson, Valente & Skahill) decided his fate & how the rank-and-file would not stand behind him because of that fact - how sad are we, that we can be manipulated so easily.
STAY FETAL. STAY SAFE and above all GO HOME SAFE.
The gun was found btw but you won't hear that in the news, also had the offenders DNA on it.
Good job Forensics missing it during your canvas and an old lady trimming her hedges finds it...
We don't know WHOSE gun was found, only that one has been turned over to police. Let's not go that far with this.
Guns 'turn up' all the time, if we're lucky, good citizens turn them in.
Dare I say I've seen more stroke Sgts who made it off score than those who made it off merit.
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This is very true. Just because you can speed read the orders and recall the information on a test, doesn't mean anything when it comes to applying the information in real situations, having leadership ability. problem solving and building rapports. There are some who you would've never known was Merit had the list not been posted. Some people make it off the list and they make you wonder how they got passed the psych exam . Just like the people with College degrees but no common sense. They just lucked up on a few tests.
We don't know WHOSE gun was found, only that one has been turned over to police. Let's not go that far with this.
Guns 'turn up' all the time, if we're lucky, good citizens turn them in.
True, if you've ever worked in Englewood you'd know that guns are found and turned in all the time by property owners and people walking their dogs near the railroad tracks on 68th -69th and Hamilton
Boys and girls you're missing the point of the story!! It's not the merit pick, its the way the city is going after the officer. If they cant get you on a good shooting they're going back 17yrs on your job application and firing you for a Rule 14. Wake up people- very scary times!!!
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