ShotSpotter Fail
- A woman was shot to death Thursday evening in the West Humboldt Park neighborhood, police said.
The 25-year-old was found shot multiple times by officers responding to a call of a person shot about 6:30 p.m. in the 4400 block of West Haddon, Chicago Police said. She was pronounced dead at the scene.
And according to an e-mail, a Shotspotter fail, and a failure of the neighborhood:
- Hey SCC, one of those "you ain't going to believe this" stories. The body they found on Haddon Thursday was called in by neighbors. When the cops arrived, the body was surrounded by 4 shell casings, the blood had already coagulated, the flies were in full force and the body had begun to exit the rigor mortis stage, and becoming a bit ripe. Dead 8 or 10 hours before a single call came in. And Shotspotter didn't have even a blip on the radar. What a great use of taxpayer dollars.
Does anyone know the success/failure rate of the Shotspotter set-up? That might make an interesting story for an actual reporter.
Labels: crime
posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
58 Comments:
Better be careful guys... this could be subject to that ghetto lottery lawsuit and make us regular folks pay more for the payout.
Oh, and fuck you rahm.
I din't see nuttin!
Not a "Fail" but a attempt by shot spotter to under report the city's perpetual crime wave. (Sign of the Cross) carry on.
I thought the big selling point of these gunshot detection devices was that it could differentiate between a gunshot, and other loud bangs, like fireworks or car backfires. Something about a gunshot having a distinct signature, different and unique to firearms.
Well yes it might be an interesting story. But, where are you going to find a REAL reporter. They probably don't even exist anymore, and have become extinct.
Another fine citizen gun down in the up and coming neighborhood.... hey realtor, how much for a house a block away from the crime scene? Tooooo much😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳
"actual reporter"? in Chicago? thanks for the guffaw SCC
It's not living up to expectations. Going off on fireworks. Not going off on gun shots. Bosses want us to help determine if it is working, but shouldn't this technology be working if we are paying for it? They want the PO to do the job a computer software tester should have done before this technology was rolled out. It's sad to see taxpayer money being wasted in this fashion.
Shot Spotter(TM).wasn't wrong! It is just being more selective.
confused by pro-am fireworks... nothing to see....
I've actually seen the shot spotter work more often than it doesn't. Even if it's a bulshit firework or car backfire those few extra seconds/ minutes might benefit those who still care about being the police figure out what's going on and might save/help an fellow officer driving around in the area and has no clue what/where/who is shooting.
The contract with shot spotter requires the system to be xx% in tolerance, or correct. However, part of ensuring that shot spotter is within tolerance is calibration of the system. The only way to calibrate it is to go out into the neighborhood and fire off some blank rounds. Of course, the city won't allow this.
So, this leaves a loophole for the company...and the system is never really calibrated.
From, The Twilight Zone
Episode: They Know Each Other
SS Rep. : Hey Rick, they bought it; two neighborhoods.
HL Rep. (Rick) : Dude, you got a Dell! (HL code for making
a sale)
SS Rep. : Yeah, man, we did "Try it, you'll like it." (SS code
for sales pitch #3: explain "proven technology," mention cities
using system (you don't want to be behind, do you?), close sale
with "discount" for 1-yr limited trial, mentioning "we can always
take it out, with SS covering majority of trial cost"
HL Rep. (RIck) : Give me those contact names & numbers, the
personality types, and the closing time (interval from handshake
to signed contract)
SS Rep. : No problem. Meet at the Starbucks, like before. Later.
You might find the success/failure rate of the Shot-putter set-up but where are you going to find a actual reporter?
No blip?
Answer: We got nothing
Ask for the money back. This is an evolving,
bullshit system. Their technology is obviously
not foolproof and the cities are paying the price
for their learning curve. Betcha "fails" were not
disclosed during the sales presentations. Company
just got listed on stock exchange. File suit. Chicago
is not a test campus. There's probably some fraud
going on here. Multi-level marketing name dropping
cities under contract. There's a solution for that: multi-level
tiers in pods.
Waste of money as compared to boots on the ground!
Trump is right! Politicians are stupid!
Lets play spin the wheel. The shot came from? (Waiting for the wheel to stop).
We all know that when things like ShartSplatter are purchased by CPD that there are other [usually $$$] other motives. CPD has had the system for years, most of the time without it was not even working at all. If we had some investigative reporters there were even news conferences held in CPIC years ago with lewinskis showing it off as the latest and greatest.
Fast forward to now and we have millions of dollars invested in this system without any testing or proof that it works ant better that the last 5 years we have had it.
Some one with the access needed needs to follow the money closely on this one as the purchase was too quick and costly. No testing or questions were allowed.
Here is a true Shotspotter story... one day in 011 a few years back, a car calls in an on-view shots fired at Pulaski & Thomas. Foot chase ensues, and the offender was eventually placed into custody. Ten minutes later, while we're still on the scene, CPIC gets on the air to inform us that the Shotspotter hears shots at our location. So there you have it... Shotspotter operates with a 10 minute delay.
Shot spotter? How much does it cost? Who does the city buy it from? What company installs and maintains the device?
Just more ways to bleed money from the tax payers. Really you need a machine to tell you shots are being fired?
Hard to believe no one noticed this body laying around for 8/10 hrs....I guess just another day in the HOOD....UnFuckin believable.....
SSTI is the symbol on the stock exchange.
old retired guy
I'm sure Rahm has a logical explanation. I'll just sit here and wait for it.
The Suntimes have an article on violence in River North, they only show white offenders, so let me get this straight of 100 incidents, only 1 white offender and that's who you show? No bias there.
Maybe she was resting.
what few remaining property tax payers are left in Chicongo should be forced to cough up da'Cash so that ShotSpotter can be installed: 1) inside every home 2) outside of every home 3) by all dumpsters
I've actually seen the shot spotter work more often than it doesn't. Even if it's a bulshit firework or car backfire those few extra seconds/ minutes might benefit those who still care about being the police figure out what's going on and might save/help an fellow officer driving around in the area and has no clue what/where/who is shooting.
7/08/2017 02:18:00 AM
First of all, do your fellow officer a favor and tell them to stop driving around !!! Police work died 2 years ago !
Shot spotter accuracy is only between 7-10%. They say it guarantees accuracy and alert for 80%.City got conned in this sale.
I've actually seen the shot spotter work more often than it doesn't. Even if it's a bulshit firework or car backfire those few extra seconds/ minutes might benefit those who still care about being the police figure out what's going on and might save/help an fellow officer driving around in the area and has no clue what/where/who is shooting.
Hey Lewin or whatever boss this is
Fuck off
Competent, experienced aggressive police officers never needed
your technological bullshit to determine what a real
gunshot was or where it was coming from. They used to
be out there on the streets and alleys looking for uuw
offenders. BEFORE they got a chance to shoot someone!
Something you and your ilk never did
Retired after 31 and not missing the shit show
That's one glitch that's gotta hurt...
Come on SCC, an "actual reporter". Even a decent reporter is skewed by these newspapers. Once the area papers get off this "Northwestern School of Journalism" and get knowledgeable, insightful, incise, . . .oh wait, . . . never mind.
A wise man once said, "If you can't figure it out, follow the money."
Anonymous said...
Waste of money as compared to boots on the ground!
Trump is right! Politicians are stupid!
7/08/2017 05:32:00 AM
And how many on the CPD vote Democratic,cutting their own throats?
According to several news stories I've read/heard (including one by NPR (!)), there is no evidence that Shotspotter actually results in a higher apprehension rate for shooters, or a faster response rate to shootings. Part of the problem is that the shotspotter company actually owns the data sets produced by its operations invarious cities, and I don't think it's ever allowed an independent review of the data or results.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I din't see nuttin!
7/08/2017 12:03:00 AM
Until, I smelt it.
Maybe shotspotter was being racist and had to be subjected to sensitivity programming.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I've actually seen the shot spotter work more often than it doesn't. Even if it's a bulshit firework or car backfire those few extra seconds/ minutes might benefit those who still care about being the police figure out what's going on and might save/help an fellow officer driving around in the area and has no clue what/where/who is shooting.
7/08/2017 02:18:00 AM
"..those who still care about being the police.."??? You sound like a Kool Aid drinker and a fool. You know what saves an officer lives much better than a shot spotter? Using his/ her fucking brains and not rushing to their death to intercept a shithead to shithead shooting like a well trained Labrador retriever after a bone. Especially when you know that you can lose your job go to jail and get sued for...."being the police". Wake up dummy. The shot spotter ( at a great tax payer expense) is just another political trick to make it appear like we're doing something about the gun violence even though stops are down 80%. until they focus on why we still are beholden to the ACLU and the ISR nothing will change. It's the good old fashioned street smarts police being able to stop people without fear of bullshit lawsuits or "racial profiling" claims that makes all the difference not some fucking app.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The contract with shot spotter requires the system to be xx% in tolerance, or correct. However, part of ensuring that shot spotter is within tolerance is calibration of the system. The only way to calibrate it is to go out into the neighborhood and fire off some blank rounds. Of course, the city won't allow this.
So, this leaves a loophole for the company...and the system is never really calibrated.
7/08/2017 02:43:00 AM
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Excuses, excuses, excuses.
Oh great Oz, is that you behind the curtain?
No, its just Lewin.
A popcorn fart will activate the Shartspotter System...
It's probably just exhausted from the 4rh of July fiasco
Another epic failure similar to "open sky" radio system. Google that for a huge laugh. Pennsylvania state troopers wasted millions before abandoning it.
Shhhhh.... I dont want to loose my inside spot.
ShotSpotter website:
"Real-Time Intelligence to Fight Gun Violence"
• Law enforcement is No Longer dependent on 911 calls with ShotSpotter because it instantly notifies officers of gunshot crimes in progress with Real-Time Data.
• ShotSpotter has been called a "Force Multiplier" because it provides critical information for better, more-timely resource allocation.
• ShotSpotter cities experience an average 35% decrease in gunfire incident volume in the FIRST TWO YEARS of use.
• Police departments using ShotSpotter foster an enhanced level of TRUST with the Community as they continually show up AFTER a gunfire incident.
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Hey, give the Program some time to season, like in 2-3 years (at $1 million per) until election time.
If weren't for the "Force Multiplier" (New Hire Denier) we would have found skeleton.
And finally...The Trustâ„¢ oh that Trust, that Special Ed and KimFxxx says the community direly needs.
Democrats and our money, a recipe for financial disaster.
Now even the shotspotter has gone fetal in fear of being stripped by Ed.
This city is so fucking bad & corrupt by these democrats that if you deployed robot police in Englewood, within a month they would reboot themselves to being fetal.
Hire the impersonator kid already. You hired a home invasion candidate, at least this kid has a foot chase, an arrest, written case report, and driving crown vic experience under his belt.
does cpd generate case reports on All Shots Fired detected ?
if not , why not ?
Pam ZZZ , Chuckie Gouidie , Andy Shaw , Inspector General , where are you ?
We need Walter Jacobson back .
Maybe they used a silencer
It didn't work in Iraq either.
And in any case it's just a tool to gather metrics.
You have sufficient metrics.
London is the most camera'd city in the world and the cameras stop nothing.
You have to stop the people who are shooting.
Meanwhile eye candy for "Do Something" and contract money changes hands, mission accomplished.
Send in the nuns before 5.
Send in the cops 5-15.
Send Detective Blade Runner when they turn 18.
Then send the gravediggers.
So basically the neighborhood called in the shooting because the body was finally to ripe to ignore.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The Suntimes have an article on violence in River North, they only show white offenders, so let me get this straight of 100 incidents, only 1 white offender and that's who you show? No bias there.
7/08/2017 08:09:00 AM
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Who they are ALLOWED to show.
Next the boxes will be under a shitspotter. Then when the shots or garbage can lids make a loud noise the suckhole bosses can say we responded in under a second. A news conference will be called and bobble head bosses will stand there and congrat each other for a fine response by the new nonthinking former minor criminal recruits who responded but reported no weapon recovered
I've actually seen the shot spotter work more often than it doesn't. Even if it's a bulshit firework or car backfire those few extra seconds/ minutes might benefit those who still care about being the police figure out what's going on and might save/help an fellow officer driving around in the area and has no clue what/where/who is shooting.
7/08/2017 02:18:00 AM
Your an idiot. Most likely you are on an 06 car or B.S mission team. Only thing you should still care about is 1st/16th. This is a freaking job no more no less. Stop acting like your curing cancer by racing to your man with a gun call in the ghetto.
The death smell overpowers bbq smoke any day.
In the 4th District they have a special version called "Spot-Shotter." It's there to protect the commander's parking space.
Scrap Shot spotter and use the money to hire more Police Officers
In the 4th District they have a special version called "Spot-Shotter." It's there to protect the commander's parking space.
7/09/2017 03:35:00 AM
Thanks for the chuckle! I am so glad I did not have a mouthful of coffee when I read it!
A Chicago sergeant in 15 was determined that a shooter did not fire his gun at a car in front of him In Chicago because shot spotter didn't pick it up although the victim, who was in front of the shooter, heard three gun shots and the offenders vehicle had three gun shots in his own windshield. Not on only was the sergeant a goof but so were the two patrolman (one woman) who arrived on scene. Nevertheless, the shooter drove into Cicero and crashed into several vehicles. The driver/shooter was arrested and Cicero charged him with Agg discharge and DUI. I told the sergeant to beat it after he looked perplexed and had no clue what to do. Grant it, adjoining municipalities can handle arrests stemming from their neighboring cities but relying on shot spotter to determine that a gun 100% went off is idiotic. Evidence and witnesses will apply in court, not shot spotter.
Cicero Sgt
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