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That the police responded to a call, acted appropriately, and shot an armed subject with a gun in his hand.
Must be a lawsuit:
Must be a lawsuit:
- The Civilian Office of Police Accountability on Thursday released body camera video showing officers fatally shooting an armed man running away from officers last month in the West Garfield Park neighborhood.
The video of the July 3 encounter shows an officer hurdling a fence into a backyard as 33-year-old Terrell Eason picks himself up off the grass with a gun in his right hand and starts to run before he’s shot.
Nothing in the law or policy (or training for that matter) says you have to take fire in order to shoot at an armed subject. The media has now taken it upon itself to publish the names of officers, exposing them and their families to harassment, and worse.
Get off social media and make yourself as small a target as possible boys and girls.
Get off social media and make yourself as small a target as possible boys and girls.
Labels: shooting
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
89 Comments:
Justified.
Nothing to worry about soon. Consent decree says something about maybe having to have a policy for foot pursuits. So they can be called off; just like vehicle pursuits. Too much of a chance of bad guy getting vented...
All I can say is every car, truck, or vehicle either of the rag msm papers operates should be allowed to drive without proper equipment, proper licensing, and following all rules of the road of the state of illannoy, This will provide safer streets for the editorial staff to write the address of the officers who are looking out for vehicular safety! At the same time any officer, his family, and friends should stop buying, subscribing or reading these immoral rags from here forward! Let them go out of business! They deserve it!!!
By the book. How is it people just don’t understand that you don’t run from police with a gun in your hand or draw a weapon when police are chasing you. You just get shot. Thats something that normal people know. How can anyone dispute the event ? Sometimes those BWC are worth their weight in gold.
Mother Nature abhors a vacuum, especially when it locates one between ears of the brainless......
In the natural world, fight or flee are the only options.
In the world of man, fight, flee or surrender exist as options.
To choose not to surrender reduces options to the natural world's offering.
To vacillate between fighting and fleeing, after choosing to dismiss the third option of surrender, is a fickle means of choosing.
Thus, the infamous Fickle Finger enters the scene.....
I’m not a cop. I’m a life long Chicagoan, a CPS student, and grew up in a great blue collar neighborhood. A neighborhood with well kept houses and apartments, and where people watched out for each other. I pay a lot of taxes, I watch out for my neighbors and am a big supporter of police. My wife was raised the same way and we have raised our kids the same way too, despite the best efforts of CPS.
For many years I have been making very comfortable living becuase of my expertise in technology. Really big companies pay me a lot to tell them what to do and how to do it. Trust me when I tell you I know what the fuck I am talking about.
You guys and gals are cannon fodder for the political machine. Don’t give them the ammo.
- Delete all your social media accounts. The data will not really be deleted but as time passes it is harder and more expensive to access.
- Never use social media apps on you phone. Especially on Android, a lot of data, including all you contacts are sent up to their servers. Who you called, how long you talked, etc., is all logged.
- Use Incognnito or Private mode when browsing the web. Always. Even so, your ISP knows what wesites you visited.
- Never post, email or write anything electronically that you wouldn’t mind being displayed on a bill board with your name and address. Or presented about you in court.
- Nothing, absolutely fucking nothing, you do electronically is ever private. It will be found. It will be used against you.
Be safe.
"Make Tha Poleece stop bein' so fas' to
protect deyse'f from US! Just cuz our yung
menz be runnin' wit' gunz an shit don't mean
da Poleece havta shoot in dey back to kill
an' shit. Poleece bogus as hell, nunna dem
bwoyz pointed an' shot gunz at da Poleece
so why da Poleece get to shoot first?
Dats RACIST!"
This shit...
When you have a demographic subset hellbent
on residing outside of the laws that the rest
of everybody else for the most part, seem to
have no problem abiding by.
"Da witemanz law don't apply to US!"
They fervently believe that...
to the marrow of their bones they do...
And when The Police apply the law and the
consequences for willfully putting oneself
outside of that law?
Whooooo She-yat!
Watch out!
"The Police are what's wrong with Chicago.
Once we fix THEM, everything else will fall
into place..."
Protect yourselves from THEM at ALL COSTS.
Protect your families and friends.
Protect your homes.
Protect your treasure.
Keep yourselves safe and sane.
Keep yourselves employed, un-indicted, un-doxed, un-sued,
un-imprisoned and out of the administrative and disciplinary
jackpot that the crafters of this consent decree desperately
want to see you fall into.
Know that you're hated, reviled and that this city has
chosen sides and YOU as Policemen aren't intended to be
on the winning side. No matter what and how much you do.
Put in your time, however long it may be and plan
for your escape. Love NOTHING in or about this city.
What are THEY going to do to you?
"Get a cee-arra-numba" on you because you're not
caring or contrite enough to suit THEM?"
Leave THEM to be the ongoing affliction of Biblical
proportions to each other...
Be warm and dry inside your own ark.
Leave THEM out in the rain cursing and crying
because they refuse to do what is required to
be warm and dry inside of an ark.
After all... They desperately want to bust YOU
down to "equality" with THEM and all that such
"equality" implies.
Misery, after all, loves company.
Police Like You Have No Friends.
Fetal for life. Why TF are chasing these lowlifes?
Rams needs those votes... he already wants the prostitute, illegal immigrant, habitual criminal, and drug addict vote
So whats the big deal about Van Dyke shooting someone high PCP with a knife in his hand? Look at this video looks like the offender is running away with a gun in his hand but it's ok to shoot him why not Laquan was Van Dyke supposed wait until he starts slashing him like Laquan did to the Police vehicle tires?
What's the difference between a gun and a knife why was Van Dyke charged with a crime it's ok to shoot someone running away with a gun but not a knife?
Media types won't change until they become victim's themselves, which by the looks of how things are going won't be that much more far off.
Get off social media and make yourself as small a target as possible boys and girls.
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OMG, so true! Nobody gives a shit what you're posting anyway!
STOP DOING POLICE WORK!!! STOP CHASING PEOPLE!!! Good grief man, what's it going to take for officers to get it?
Facebook is for idiots.
What's the difference between a gun and a knife why was Van Dyke charged with a crime it's ok to shoot someone running away with a gun but not a knife?
Please, please don’t be a copper...
St. Louis Prosecutor Says She Will No Longer Accept Cases From 28 City Police Officers
...some officers were on it because they asserted their Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination in cases where Gardner’s office was simultaneously reviewing an officer’s conduct in a police shooting and pursuing charges against the person shot. Last year, Gardner’s office dropped an assault case shortly before trial after an officer warned he wouldn’t testify without a guarantee that he would not face charges.
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/st-louis-prosecutor-says-she-will-no-longer-accept-cases/article_6d8def16-d08d-5e9a-80ba-f5f5446b7b6a.amp.html
not his money so rahm will gladly sign the check because COPA said so.
how the fuck is dead thug family's awarded large settlements without any kind of lawsuit being challenged in court? a jury needs the opportunity to say hell no.
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Glad the Officers are okay, BUT WHY THE HELL ARE YOU OUT THERE DOING ANYTHING? You need to have your head examined.
social media is easy to search and much of what you put out there stays out there even if you erase it. All a good investigator needs is you e-mail address and possibly your telephone number. There are search engines out there to find your " handle" and to search every social media site out there for what you have posted. I know as I have done this as an investigator. Please, be very careful of what you say or post on any social media account. The media is not your friend.
Great job by the officers. Rest up, be safe, and take care of your physical, emotional, mental, and spiritual health. Spend time with friends and family and be proud of the job you do.
Anonymous said...
So whats the big deal about Van Dyke shooting someone high PCP with a knife in his hand? Look at this video looks like the offender is running away with a gun in his hand but it's ok to shoot him why not Laquan was Van Dyke supposed wait until he starts slashing him like Laquan did to the Police vehicle tires?
8/31/2018 01:52:00 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
What's the difference between a gun and a knife why was Van Dyke charged with a crime it's ok to shoot someone running away with a gun but not a knife?
8/31/2018 02:03:00 AM
The difference between a gun and a knife is the range at which they’re effective and/or lethal. Did you really need the difference between guns and knives explained to you or are you just trolling? There’s a reason that armies don’t carry swords anymore and that reason is that guns are more effective. If I run 30 yards away from you with a knife I’m not going to be able to do you harm with it. If I run the same distance away from you with a gun, I can turn around and still shoot and kill you. That’s why it’s okay to shoot someone running away with a gun.
Van Dykes’ problem isn’t that he shot a knife wielding assailant, his problem is that he continued to shoot him long after he hit the ground and could no longer reasonably be believed to be a threat. 1st degree murder was definitely an inappropriate overcharge because of political pressure and will most likely end with a verdict of not guilty but you never know in this liberal town.
Are the people you're trying to protect with the risk now inherent in these situations?
Being the on the job for 31 years and retired for 8, I have seen a lot of thing on the job but I sorry Van Dyke was wrong in my book 16 shots is too much over kill and look what he did to this department with his actions. CPD will never ever be a police department again thanks to his actions. Hate me if you want but we are our own worst enemy and the macho police shit is the cause of it all. Stay Fetal and survive
And Dan Herbert is not the right lawyer for Van Dyke. He needed a big shot with more experience.
I'm just a citizen but it makes zero sense to me as to everyone's freaking out over the fact that our LE actually uses their weapons. If the assholes would stop breaking the damn laws and do what LE asks of them, no guns would need to be drawn. However, we have years and years of the Chgo political machine churning out bullshit after bullshit charts, reviews, statistics (which were the first fake news ever reported) and all the pity parties propping up and defending and supporting these assholes that now? Now we have a city where LE cannot do their jobs. And when they do? They are attacked, penalized, stalked, gas-lighted, fired, suspended, questioned, threatened and on and on and on. God bless EACH AND EVERY LE OFFICER, their families and loved ones. Keep them safe. Keep them from harm. Help them, Dear God, to find a way out of this hellhole that is a hellhole because NOBODY has God in their hearts anymore.
What's the difference between a gun and a knife why was Van Dyke charged with a crime it's ok to shoot someone running away with a gun but not a knife?
Apple and oranges my friend. If you don’t see or know the difference between the shooting you probably are in the wrong profession.
From the sun time: Eason’s mother filed a wrongful death lawsuit earlier this month alleging excessive force and accusing the city of allowing an unconstitutional, unwritten custom that leads to police shootings during foot pursuits.
I would love to see the data on foot pursuits. Total number, total number of police shootings year over year, total number of police shootings that derive from a foot pursuit. And a percentage of foot pursuits that end in shooting. Thsts how Corp counsel needs to defend that allegation, with the numbers!
Un-fucking-believable. How many times do these morons have to be shot by a Police Officer before they get it through their thick heads; .....
--- Do NOT!..draw a gun on Police.
--- Do NOT! .. hold an exposed gun or weapon near Police.
--- When told by Police to DROP the Weapon, YOU DO!
And like Chris Rock said is Rule #1 in his Video: How to not get your ass kicked by the police! ...
--- Obey The Law!!
ps: I'm not a big Chris Rock fan but he's 100% spot on in that video.
Putting stuff on Facebook.... is just stupid.
get small.......
el’Coprah must be looking for some type of Short Film award.
My understanding is that there’s an empty space on the Hollywood Walk of Fame.
Arm’t man running away (with a a firearm in is hand).
Settlement talk provided by the tolerant liberal SlumTimes.
(Was this the District that recently had the DC get a bump up promotion?)
Some how the community isn’t getting the message, the failed DeathRyan Grand March Shutdown and Family Reunion, the restrictive doorman Sgt’s weapon turn programs, the peace picnics and the all expense paid this and that’s.
That boy was holding that weapon so he could turn’tit in for new sneakers and a job.
“On behalf of Mayor Rahm Emanuel and Superintendent Eddie T. Johnson, thank you for your organization’s interest in partnering with the City of Chicago and the Chicago Police Department to host a gun buy-back event.”
July 20, 2018
A rare pre-weekend Media event featuring Rotten Rahm & DrRevJugghaid Special Ed, PhD:
“Johnson said 5,175 illegal guns, including semi-automatic weapons, AK-47's and AR-15 rifles, are part of the ongoing effort to decrease crime and shootings in Chicago.”
Ok...now what?
Turn in those 5,175 firearms to a Phfabulous Phfriar Phfelcher’s Armed Security Gun Turn In Program and collect that $517,500 taxpayer money back...
that’s what.
I'm so glad I never chase these idiots.
Not really sure why any of you do. Ghetto will do what the ghetto is going to do.
The Civilian Office of Police Accountability on Thursday released body camera video showing officers fatally shooting an armed man running away from officers last month in the West Garfield Park neighborhood.
The operative words in this false narrative is "running away." That's all these shitbirds need to hear to try and make this into another assassination of a black man by racist Police...
Thus, the infamous Fickle Finger enters the scene.....
8/31/2018 12:28:00 AM
The Fickle Finger of Fate Award goes to...
#1 Don't run from the police
#2 Don't run from the police with a gun in your hand.
10 out of 10 times you will not be shot. Is this so hard to comprehend?
Coming to a city near you? https://pjmedia.com/trending/st-louis-prosecutor-will-no-longer-accept-cases-from-28-police-officers/
To the two nitwits who ask about JVD and the
Differences between knives and guns...if you have to ask you are in fact a nitwit. Just compare the amount of people you know who have accidentally stabbed themselves or their associates to death with those who have accidentally shot themselves or associates. Then ask yourself this one..would you rather someone try to stab you from across the street or shoot at you from the same distance? NIMWIT
I saw the tape on TV. Twelve hours later ABC News (radio) reported the officers shot the man as he was running away. No mention of his gun. And he was not "running away", he was pulling away from the cop who tried to hold his arm. More fake news.
Why doesn't the city or even the union pay $$$ for video footage of any or all of the shootings going on in Chicago???? We already pay $100.00 dollars for a weapon turn in. Add more $$$ if they have a face or license plate or identify the shooter and they could submit the video no questions asked ???????????
As the late Frank Pape said: "I never shot a man who didn't have a gun in his hand."
an Dyke is toast. Even if acquitted his time in Chicago will be over. Never on the streets again and unless name change and plastic surgery won't be able to appear in public. If acquitted, and that's a big if, best bet move south where his police skills might be appreciated. But his law enforcement days might be over.
Remember Millennials that Copa has all the power. If they sustain this complaint, the Supt. can't do anything to help. You'll go in front of the police board, good luck with that. Stay fetal.
As clear case of manslaughter Sa you will ever see.
Terrell Eason was 33 years old, and if his mama, Alice Eason, hits Rahm's ghetto lottery, this will be the only good thing he ever did for her. I'm betting he's never held down a full-time job for more than 2 months at a time, if at all, and when Alice Eason heard about her pride and joy assuming room temp she said "Ka-Ching"!
Shania Twain's song "Ka-Ching" lyrics is perfect for the ghetto lottery,
Can you hear it ring
It makes you want to sing
It's such a beautiful thing, ka-ching!
Lots of diamond rings
The happiness it brings
You'll live like a king
With lots of money and things
JVD needs a new attorney, an attorney that knows these matters
Who release the names?
St. Louis Prosecutor Says She Will No Longer Accept Cases From 28 City Police Officers
Wow are they lucky. Even more reason to stay fetal, not that they need any other reason working in that shithole where the residents don't want them and don't support them. F' em.
So the word on the street about "Rev" Livingstons take over of the Kennedy on Labor Day is that the real goal now is to storm the Rivers Casino and disrupt the casino and the "Rich White Privilege" owners. He doesn't have the bodies to disrupt traffic and trying to save face.
"He never killed a man that did not need killing"
What's the difference between a gun and a knife why was Van Dyke charged with a crime it's ok to shoot someone running away with a gun but not a knife?
8/31/2018 02:03:00 AM
Gun go bang and make ouchie from far away. Knife pokey and make ouchie from close.
Try cutting the crust off your sandwiches with a gun. Then try shooting a bullet out of a knife.
Being the on the job for 31 years and retired for 8, I have seen a lot of thing on the job but I sorry Van Dyke was wrong in my book 16 shots is too much over kill and look what he did to this department with his actions. CPD will never ever be a police department again thanks to his actions. Hate me if you want but we are our own worst enemy and the macho police shit is the cause of it all. Stay Fetal and survive
8/31/2018 08:16:00 AM
Hate is not on your worthiness specs. As in, your perspective/opinion is unworthy of inducing hatred.
Mild mockeries, a bit of pity and a shot of Jack will smooth out any objections to your second guessing, back seat driver, 20/20 ass end sighted perspective on this subject.
And the ..... What you are confident you would or would not have done .... is where those who know not reside, for their own comfort.
If anything, the quantity of rounds expended indicates extreme fear of imminent threat of death.
Threat of death ended by the expending of those rounds.
You want a fair gunfight, go to Hollywood and give Harvey a blow job.
But, but , but SCC, just because he had a loaded gun and picked it up while police were in pursuit of him doesn’t mean he was going to USE the gun. It could have been a cellphone in the shape of a gun and the racist police man shot him.
Now how do I get ahold of mayor Emanuel? I got to ask him about a check for the family.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
So whats the big deal about Van Dyke shooting someone high PCP with a knife in his hand? Look at this video looks like the offender is running away with a gun in his hand but it's ok to shoot him why not Laquan was Van Dyke supposed wait until he starts slashing him like Laquan did to the Police vehicle tires?
8/31/2018 01:52:00 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
What's the difference between a gun and a knife why was Van Dyke charged with a crime it's ok to shoot someone running away with a gun but not a knife?
8/31/2018 02:03:00 AM
The difference between a gun and a knife is the range at which they’re effective and/or lethal. Did you really need the difference between guns and knives explained to you or are you just trolling? There’s a reason that armies don’t carry swords anymore and that reason is that guns are more effective. If I run 30 yards away from you with a knife I’m not going to be able to do you harm with it. If I run the same distance away from you with a gun, I can turn around and still shoot and kill you. That’s why it’s okay to shoot someone running away with a gun.
Van Dykes’ problem isn’t that he shot a knife wielding assailant, his problem is that he continued to shoot him long after he hit the ground and could no longer reasonably be believed to be a threat. 1st degree murder was definitely an inappropriate overcharge because of political pressure and will most likely end with a verdict of not guilty but you never know in this liberal town.
8/31/2018 08:07:00 AM
Apples and oranges. You are talking about the difference between a knife and a gun in a situation where the offender is running away from you. In case of JVD, the offender was closing the distance armed with a knife. He was not “walking away from him” nor was he “shot in the back” as the MSM likes to report. From the time JVD exits the squad car until the time LMD is shot he is CLOSER to JVD. It’s called closing the distance, armed with a deadly weapon.
I’m tired of the so called coppers guaranteeing a guilty verdict. Ask half of them what they know about the case and they will tell you JVD shouldn’t have stopped the squad car where he did.
Anonymous said...
And Dan Herbert is not the right lawyer for Van Dyke. He needed a big shot with more experience.
8/31/2018 08:37:00 AM
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Right on target with that— some one chime in with Herbs success rate— especially a high profile case like this. I would say Herb has a chance of 1 in 60. The judges are elected, if Van Dyke does not go to hail, that judge has a chance in hell of being re-elected. If you think I am wrong— chime in with facts; instead of excuses that Herb will say during trial.
And even if Macdonald was on PCP, how could any office know — was that mentioned over the air?
Or did Van Dyke have enough time from exiting his vehicle to say, “wow this guy is on PCP”... how long did it take from JVD to exit his vehicle prior to unloading?
These questions will be asked...
Anonymous said...
What's the difference between a gun and a knife why was Van Dyke charged with a crime it's ok to shoot someone running away with a gun but not a knife?
Apple and oranges my friend. If you don’t see or know the difference between the shooting you probably are in the wrong profession.
8/31/2018 09:04:00 AM
Have you ever had a knife thrown at you?
What happened to Drop the gun before shooting he was running away?
Anonymous said...
Justified.
8/31/2018 12:09:00 AM
If this Police shooting is justified then so is Van Dyke's!
Gun go bang and make ouchie from far away. Knife pokey and make ouchie from close.
Try cutting the crust off your sandwiches with a gun. Then try shooting a bullet out of a knife.
My respect and admiration for law enforcement increases every time I read this blog.
Anonymous said...
Why doesn't the city or even the union pay $$$ for video footage of any or all of the shootings going on in Chicago???? We already pay $100.00 dollars for a weapon turn in. Add more $$$ if they have a face or license plate or identify the shooter and they could submit the video no questions asked ???????????
Great idea, if officers have some good footage just take the date/time/and event #, FOP foia the footage and post it to their account, let the public see all the really good stuff !
Right on target with that— some one chime in with Herbs success rate— especially a high profile case like this. I would say Herb has a chance of 1 in 60. The judges are elected, if Van Dyke does not go to hail, that judge has a chance in hell of being re-elected. If you think I am wrong— chime in with facts; instead of excuses that Herb will say during trial.
And even if Macdonald was on PCP, how could any office know — was that mentioned over the air?
Or did Van Dyke have enough time from exiting his vehicle to say, “wow this guy is on PCP”... how long did it take from JVD to exit his vehicle prior to unloading?
These questions will be asked...
Want a few facts. Judge Vaughan was APPOINTED to the bench in 1991 Prior to that he was a supervisor in the public defenders office
You say he has a chance in hell of being re-elected. He doesn’t get re-elected, he goes on the retention ballot where has consistantly been retained by over 70% to 75%
CHICAGO - The Presiding Judge of Cook County Criminal Court Division LeRoy Martin denied Tuesday a motion requesting a change of judge in the Jason Van Dyke murder trial.
As a result, current Judge Vincent Gaughan will hear a change of venue motion on Friday.
JVD hit with every round he discharged.
I was at an OIS were a total of 54 rounds were fired, from 6 different officers, and the offender was hit ONCE!
I can tell you, from experience, exactly what was on JVD's mind, at the moment of the shooting...his front sight, and nothing else.
There are reasons why the military went from full auto, to 3 round burst, with the M16. One of them was the tendency for soldiers to empty the magazine on one enemy. This happens when tunnel vision kicks in. You won't know it until you do it, and you won't believe it until you see it.
Off topic....Finally a revrun who is telling the truth
https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/jasper-williams-jr-aretha-franklin-eulogy-homegoing-funeral-old-school-black-lives-matter-antiquated/
More media bullshit. Offenders do not run away from police because they think the police want to do them harm, they run to avoid capture after committing a criminal offense.
The Van Dyke defense in a nutshell:
- ofnd committed a felony and was fleeing.
- he was chased by police for quite a bit of time before the shooting.
- he could have entered the Burger King he ran past and injured anyone inside.
- he attacked the police, albeit they were in a squad car to protect themselves. Ofnd still attacked the car slicing a tire and damaging the windshield.
- No tasers on the scene; pepper spray wouldn't work in on a quickly moving target.
- all efforts to corral ofnd failed.
- he was armed and fleeing by use of a deadly weapon: the knife (no matter what size)
- allowed to continue onward he could have injured innocent civilians as some time had now passed.
- shots were fired to stop an armed person who had committed a few felonies and lethal force was the only option available to protect the police and citizens. Even after shot and on the ground the ofnd held on to the knife that had to be removed from his grasp.
- applying the totality of the facts and based on state law, dept orders and the Garner decision, this shooting, however unfortunate, was justified.
What's the difference between a gun and a knife why was Van Dyke charged with a crime it's ok to shoot someone running away with a gun but not a knife?
Apple and oranges my friend. If you don’t see or know the difference between the shooting you probably are in the wrong profession.
8/31/2018 09:04:00 AM
Have you ever had a knife thrown at you?
8/31/2018 10:02:00 PM
No and I doubt very many officers have either, if any
Armed with a deadly weapon is armed with a deadly weapon. JVD case is armed with a deadly weapon, demonstrating intent by previously slashing tires and continuing to still brandish said weapon while within lethal range (21 feet is lethal vs a firearm) of officers, not complying with verbal commands. Should not be a difference... So you all believe we should wait to be charged by a knife wielding assailant in order to fire and defend ourselves? Look at the statistics. Action beats reaction. You will die by that blade if you wait.
And there is no such thing as overkill. Using a firearm is deadly force ALWAYS. Does JVD know every round is hitting? We were trained that its 8-10 LANDED rounds to stop an advancing attacker, on average, if you aim center mass.
Van Dykes’ problem isn’t that he shot a knife wielding assailant, his problem is that he continued to shoot him long after he hit the ground and could no longer reasonably be believed to be a threat. 1st degree murder was definitely an inappropriate overcharge because of political pressure and will most likely end with a verdict of not guilty but you never know in this liberal town.
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ok F. Lee Bailey so the first shot is legit? Now prove the first shot didn't cause death. You're up ...
So if the first shot killed him, and it was legit. Now the next 15 shots are at a dead body. So it's the prosecutions burden now to prove he was NOT shooting at an already dead guy. So where did the first shot land? Get an expert to say it didn't kill him, cause that's the burden right?
So you have the theory wrong here ... the contention is that deadly force was never authorized, not even for the first shot.
Anonymous said...
Being the on the job for 31 years and retired for 8, I have seen a lot of thing on the job but I sorry Van Dyke was wrong in my book 16 shots is too much over kill and look what he did to this department with his actions. CPD will never ever be a police department again thanks to his actions. Hate me if you want but we are our own worst enemy and the macho police shit is the cause of it all. Stay Fetal and survive
8/31/2018 08:16:00 AM
Hate is not on your worthiness specs. As in, your perspective/opinion is unworthy of inducing hatred.
Mild mockeries, a bit of pity and a shot of Jack will smooth out any objections to your second guessing, back seat driver, 20/20 ass end sighted perspective on this subject.
And the ..... What you are confident you would or would not have done .... is where those who know not reside, for their own comfort.
If anything, the quantity of rounds expended indicates extreme fear of imminent threat of death.
Threat of death ended by the expending of those rounds.
You want a fair gunfight, go to Hollywood and give Harvey a blow job.
8/31/2018 08:02:00 PM
I think you had one to many shots of jack, there is no arm chair quarterbacking, plain and simple facts are you ok with him putting more rounds in him when he was already down and not causing a threat. This department is suffering from his actions and this was not a gun fight but a person with a knife get your facts straight and with 31 years on the job I think I speak from experience not some second guessing you need to learn some common sense
Anonymous Anonymous said...
As clear case of manslaughter Sa you will ever see.
8/31/2018 03:46:00 PM
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I can't even find Voluntary Manslaughter in the statutes. I found Involuntary Manslaughter and it does not fit. a) A person who unintentionally kills an individual without lawful justification commits involuntary manslaughter
CHICAGO - The Presiding Judge of Cook County Criminal Court Division LeRoy Martin denied Tuesday a motion requesting a change of judge in the Jason Van Dyke murder trial.
Like Martin is legit the product of clout too!
I think you had one to many shots of jack, there is no arm chair quarterbacking, plain and simple facts are you ok with him putting more rounds in him when he was already down and not causing a threat. This department is suffering from his actions and this was not a gun fight but a person with a knife get your facts straight and with 31 years on the job I think I speak from experience not some second guessing you need to learn some common sense
9/01/2018 12:23:00 PM
I am okay with:
1. Not choosing to actually think I know better than the person who lived this event.
2. Everything else follows #1.
You ain't never been cut, have you? No, not a paper cut, nor an ooopsie with the safety razor, (face, neck, legs, or wherever), nor that pesky slice of finger flesh, even rimjob mayor quality, and, no, not by your own hand.
Even your choice to completely ignore the fear factor is fine with me, as I expected you would.
Also your use of the utterly retarded phrase... Plain and simple .... a tell of the absence of thoughtful consideration, so obvious that it's common usage by the prog minded is as clear an anouncement of their presence as a skunk squirting.
Speaking of skunk squirtings, your follow up accusation of the suffering of "this department" begs the question, wtf have you been guzzlng? (I would prefer you supply NO specifics should you reply to this question.)
This is why shoot and scoot is the only choice for all faced with the threat of imposed death, with those burdened with the required presence of the body/dash cam, and cursed by the hood rat, smart phone producer wannabees + sjw fake reporters + blm provokers + ghetto lotto scum grifting liars, aka lawyers, + the clouted elite putz nutted political whores which are all the sources of the sufferings of far more persons than you and your version of this "department", STILL, to this very moment, heeding the call to oppose the beast in all of it's many forms.
No, not hard charging, that has been declared Verboten!!!!
But, still, doing the job.
You may now return to your retirement gig of snuffling your sponsers' sacks.
9/01/2018 12:10:00 PM
Damn.
If you are not JVD's attorney, you should be.
You still need to look at the totality of the circumstances, which includes the situation before, during and after the shooting. Why didn't any of the other police on scene fire a shot at Laquan if he was such a threat? Were they all afraid, and waiting for some hero cop like JVD to arrive and save them?
Plus, you need to remember there is not just video, there is audio from the radio transmissions that are quite damaging. JVD knew what he was pulling up to, and it doesn't look good for him.
I think you had one to many shots of jack, there is no arm chair quarterbacking, plain and simple facts are you ok with him putting more rounds in him when he was already down and not causing a threat. This department is suffering from his actions and this was not a gun fight but a person with a knife get your facts straight and with 31 years on the job I think I speak from experience not some second guessing you need to learn some common sense
9/01/2018 12:23:00 PM
You clearly don't understand the terms "armchair quarterbacking" and "second guessing." That's exactly what you're doing. In your 31 years on the job, how many shootings were you involved in? I already know your answer will be none. When you're involved in a shooting, you don't count your rounds, watch for the bad guy to stop breathing, check his pulse after each shot, or anything else like that. You shoot until you think you don't have to shoot anymore, if you're able to make that decision during such a traumatic event. This wasn't some 20 minute shootout with multiple reloads while standing over a lifeless body. This all happened in seconds, and you weren't there. Anything you have to say about it being wrong is nothing but second guessing and armchair quarterbacking. There's no set number of shots that automatically kills or incapacitates a person. There's no rule on how many shots you can fire when deadly force is authorized. There's no popup counter that lets you know how many you fired or how many hit the target. The other problem with your opinion, with your 31 years on the job, 8 years retired, and whatever age you were when you started, you're pretty old by now. Your brain doesn't work as well as it used to, and you're likely very opinionated and stubborn with your views by now. Enjoy your retirement and stop judging those of us still doing the job in an environment you'd never be able to comprehend. It's not the job you had anymore. You couldn't do it today. Thanks for the time you put in.
You still need to look at the totality of the circumstances, which includes the situation before, during and after the shooting. Why didn't any of the other police on scene fire a shot at Laquan if he was such a threat? Were they all afraid, and waiting for some hero cop like JVD to arrive and save them?
Plus, you need to remember there is not just video, there is audio from the radio transmissions that are quite damaging. JVD knew what he was pulling up to, and it doesn't look good for him.
9/01/2018 07:33:00 PM
Gee, you'd be such a comfort and joy to know you, armed with ANY calber and type of firearm, are hovering within striking distance anywhere remotely near me.
I'd have to be more concerned about catching multiple wounds from you than from the fuck face I'm paid to apprehend.
Geeeez, the only way you're safe to be around is when you're not there.
Anonymous said...
I think you had one to many shots of jack, there is no arm chair quarterbacking, plain and simple facts are you ok with him putting more rounds in him when he was already down and not causing a threat. This department is suffering from his actions and this was not a gun fight but a person with a knife get your facts straight and with 31 years on the job I think I speak from experience not some second guessing you need to learn some common sense
9/01/2018 12:23:00 PM
You clearly don't understand the terms "armchair quarterbacking" and "second guessing." That's exactly what you're doing. In your 31 years on the job, how many shootings were you involved in? I already know your answer will be none. When you're involved in a shooting, you don't count your rounds, watch for the bad guy to stop breathing, check his pulse after each shot, or anything else like that. You shoot until you think you don't have to shoot anymore, if you're able to make that decision during such a traumatic event. This wasn't some 20 minute shootout with multiple reloads while standing over a lifeless body. This all happened in seconds, and you weren't there. Anything you have to say about it being wrong is nothing but second guessing and armchair quarterbacking. There's no set number of shots that automatically kills or incapacitates a person. There's no rule on how many shots you can fire when deadly force is authorized. There's no popup counter that lets you know how many you fired or how many hit the target. The other problem with your opinion, with your 31 years on the job, 8 years retired, and whatever age you were when you started, you're pretty old by now. Your brain doesn't work as well as it used to, and you're likely very opinionated and stubborn with your views by now. Enjoy your retirement and stop judging those of us still doing the job in an environment you'd never be able to comprehend. It's not the job you had anymore. You couldn't do it today. Thanks for the time you put in.
9/01/2018 09:38:00 PM
Holy shit - you are rude. The old retired cop is absolutely right that the amount of shots fired is part of the reason for the murder charge. But there are many more reasons why this was a bad shooting and why these charges were brought upon JVD.
You are speaking like an inexperienced cop and don't realize how dumb your statements are. You would go straight to jail with that defense. Too much college...
Holy shit - you are rude. The old retired cop is absolutely right that the amount of shots fired is part of the reason for the murder charge. But there are many more reasons why this was a bad shooting and why these charges were brought upon JVD.
You are speaking like an inexperienced cop and don't realize how dumb your statements are. You would go straight to jail with that defense. Too much college...
9/02/2018 01:17:00 AM
Heaven have mercy, rudeness, the mother of all mortal sins, for shame!!!!!!! For Shaaaaaaaaaaaaame!!!!!!!!!
That is just about all the regard your feeble comment has earned.
You clearly don't understand the terms "armchair quarterbacking" and "second guessing." That's exactly what you're doing. In your 31 years on the job, how many shootings were you involved in? I already know your answer will be none. When you're involved in a shooting, you don't count your rounds, watch for the bad guy to stop breathing, check his pulse after each shot, or anything else like that. You shoot until you think you don't have to shoot anymore, if you're able to make that decision during such a traumatic event. This wasn't some 20 minute shootout with multiple reloads while standing over a lifeless body. This all happened in seconds, and you weren't there. Anything you have to say about it being wrong is nothing but second guessing and armchair quarterbacking. There's no set number of shots that automatically kills or incapacitates a person. There's no rule on how many shots you can fire when deadly force is authorized. There's no popup counter that lets you know how many you fired or how many hit the target. The other problem with your opinion, with your 31 years on the job, 8 years retired, and whatever age you were when you started, you're pretty old by now. Your brain doesn't work as well as it used to, and you're likely very opinionated and stubborn with your views by now. Enjoy your retirement and stop judging those of us still doing the job in an environment you'd never be able to comprehend. It's not the job you had anymore. You couldn't do it today. Thanks for the time you put in.
They mister I know it all you know nothing about my career so for your information yes I was involved in a police shooting and shot at, I have been sued and stood before corporation counsel wondering if I was going to lose everything. While you and other know it all's were in grade school picking your nose I was working housing north,you if don't know what that is I will enlighten you it was Cabrini green, Horner homes and Aba homes, I was working the project but you won't know what that like because they exist no more. I worked for one of the best commander housing ever had in Eddie King so don't tell me I don't know what I am talking about or I have paper cut because you don't know shit. I had a friend of mine killed not 10 minutes after I talking to the partners at the desk, I had to watch them carry out the bloody body. I also worked the 11th and 10th district and city wide warrants so before you tell me I don't know shit well think again you college boys couldn't carry my jock strap and I am of sound mine that is more than I can say about you new police. I see your small brains can't figure it out I did not say the shooting was not justified I saying 16 shots was over kill the threat was over when he was down.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
CHICAGO - The Presiding Judge of Cook County Criminal Court Division LeRoy Martin denied Tuesday a motion requesting a change of judge in the Jason Van Dyke murder trial.
Like Martin is legit the product of clout too!
No one said anything about being legit. Just said he made that decision
Holy shit - you are rude. The old retired cop is absolutely right that the amount of shots fired is part of the reason for the murder charge. But there are many more reasons why this was a bad shooting and why these charges were brought upon JVD.
You are speaking like an inexperienced cop and don't realize how dumb your statements are. You would go straight to jail with that defense. Too much college...
9/02/2018 01:17:00 AM
Rudeness in response to the guy suggesting the person he was responding to had too many shots of jack? You betcha. Based on the law, it was not a bad shooting. That's why it was deemed a good shooting by everyone involved. The number of shots fired is absolutely one of the main reasons JVD is on trial. I never said anything to dispute that. The main reason charges were filed, which you'll likely disagree with, is that the offender was black. I'm speaking like an inexperienced cop? You're clearly not even a cop. I don't realize how dumb my statements are because they're not dumb. I never presented a defense, and I'd never handle that situation how JVD handled it. So, no jail for me. Too much college? Thanks for cluing us in to the fact that you have no college. Maybe you could've taken some law classes. It would've been eye-opening for you.
They mister I know it all you know nothing about my career so for your information yes I was involved in a police shooting and shot at, I have been sued and stood before corporation counsel wondering if I was going to lose everything. While you and other know it all's were in grade school picking your nose I was working housing north,you if don't know what that is I will enlighten you it was Cabrini green, Horner homes and Aba homes, I was working the project but you won't know what that like because they exist no more. I worked for one of the best commander housing ever had in Eddie King so don't tell me I don't know what I am talking about or I have paper cut because you don't know shit. I had a friend of mine killed not 10 minutes after I talking to the partners at the desk, I had to watch them carry out the bloody body. I also worked the 11th and 10th district and city wide warrants so before you tell me I don't know shit well think again you college boys couldn't carry my jock strap and I am of sound mine that is more than I can say about you new police. I see your small brains can't figure it out I did not say the shooting was not justified I saying 16 shots was over kill the threat was over when he was down.
9/02/2018 12:44:00 PM
Thanks for proving several of my points with your rambling nonsense. I've been on the job since before you retired. I've worked in the projects. I've been shot at. I've been sued. I've been through things you can't possibly understand. The simple fact is that you have no clue what it's like now. You aren't here anymore. You couldn't survive on this department. You can't "over kill" someone. Which shot killed the offender? At which exact point was he no longer a threat? Was he no longer a threat because he wasn't moving? Was he not moving because he was dead? Is it murder or aggravated battery to shoot an already dead person? No. If you can prove the offender was alive and no longer a threat, while armed with a knife, call up the prosecution and let them know you've got it all figured out. Otherwise, shut your mouth and enjoy your retirement while the rest of us deal with a job that is nothing like the one you did. Tell your grandkids about the "wood shampoos" and the scary projects from your day. I'm not impressed.
16 shots to neutralize someone hopped up on PCP.... I'd say that showed considerable restraint. He could have just as easily turned and charged JVD with his knife and not feel no matter how many times he was shot.
I would bet his adrenaline was pumping out the endorphins at such a rate that he didn't feel a damn thing, he just died with no pain.
PCP, Angel Dust, whatever, is nasty stuff. Not like Heroin or even Fentanyl where the person just vegatates until their brain shuts off the breathing apparatus.
FWIW, I think JVD made the correct decision to protect both himself and his fellow officers.
...... I see your small brains can't figure it out I did not say the shooting was not justified I saying 16 shots was over kill the threat was over when he was down.
9/02/2018 12:44:00 PM
Okay.
No such thing as overkill.
Once dead, no further killing is either possible or relevant.
Your stated experiences should allow you to know this, which you may, admitting that or not, as you choose.
All the conversations on this have been presuming you are who you present yourself to be. Not an issue, one way or another, as the points you present stand, or fall, on their own merit, said merit not dependent upon your veracity of background stated by you.
Thusly, as you just stated, Justified.
Should be end of story, buuuuuuuuut...... Pol E Ticks.
That is all.
16 shots to neutralize someone hopped up on PCP.... I'd say that showed considerable restraint. He could have just as easily turned and charged JVD with his knife and not feel no matter how many times he was shot.
I would bet his adrenaline was pumping out the endorphins at such a rate that he didn't feel a damn thing, he just died with no pain.
PCP, Angel Dust, whatever, is nasty stuff. Not like Heroin or even Fentanyl where the person just vegatates until their brain shuts off the breathing apparatus.
FWIW, I think JVD made the correct decision to protect both himself and his fellow officers.
9/02/2018 08:01:00 PM
He's dead, Jim......
What does that meeeeeeean, Bones!!???!!??
Fuck if I know.......
(Cue rim shot....)
Rudeness in response to the guy suggesting the person he was responding to had too many shots of jack? You betcha. Based on the law, it was not a bad shooting. That's why it was deemed a good shooting by everyone involved. The number of shots fired is absolutely one of the main reasons JVD is on trial. I never said anything to dispute that. The main reason charges were filed, which you'll likely disagree with, is that the offender was black. I'm speaking like an inexperienced cop? You're clearly not even a cop. I don't realize how dumb my statements are because they're not dumb. I never presented a defense, and I'd never handle that situation how JVD handled it. So, no jail for me. Too much college? Thanks for cluing us in to the fact that you have no college. Maybe you could've taken some law classes. It would've been eye-opening for you.
9/02/2018 05:41:00 PM
Your statement that you would never handle that situation how JVD handled it, so no jail time for you - is key. JVD did have other options, because the situation "at that exact moment" was not putting him nor anyone in fear of their life.
Your statement that you would never handle that situation how JVD handled it, so no jail time for you - is key. JVD did have other options, because the situation "at that exact moment" was not putting him nor anyone in fear of their life.
9/03/2018 06:24:00 PM
Again, here are the waaaaaaaay after the event, sitting on their ass,fingering their pucker hole, wannabe judges of the if only clan.
Fucking putz.
Other options, huh?
Like, maybe, dropping this lunatic a lot sooner? With one head shot? Or would that be overkill?
Mabe if a big net were at hand, gracefully floated over top of lunatic, landing and entagling same, then apply the cattle prod?
What the fuck do you imagine, in your fertile imaginations, that is key to your political end goal?
The sum total of ALL these comments on this subject which do not conclude: Justified = democrat bullshit.
Keeping the Peace is the Duty.
Maintaining the democrat political chaos is the method this city and county uses without shame. Fuck you motherless fucks.
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