This is Some BS
Can someone explain to us how the teachers can threaten to strike if their non expired Contract isn't renegotiated and signed before the new school year but the FOP has to sit and beg for a new Contract that's two years expired? And the PBPA is three years gone.
The CTU hasn't put out a decent product in our lifetimes with "graduates" reading at levels unseen outside of most Third World shitholes, but somehow have the audacity to demand raises. At least the police kept homicides somewhat stagnant for a time...even with the lies told to the media and at CompStat meetings.
The CTU hasn't put out a decent product in our lifetimes with "graduates" reading at levels unseen outside of most Third World shitholes, but somehow have the audacity to demand raises. At least the police kept homicides somewhat stagnant for a time...even with the lies told to the media and at CompStat meetings.
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posted by SCC at 12:04 AM
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I beleive FOP is prohiboted from striking
The CTU hires some of the best incompetent morons
in the metro Chicago region. The product is self-
explanatory.
They pay 3% into their pensions!!! Fuck them!
Hey LL, lets see how tough you are now. Stand up to these communist bullies. My guess is you won't, which shows your true colors.
Did you ever notice when the teachers union threatened a strike they always scream the children are at risk
My question is why then are they allowed to strike they should be placed in the same category as police and fire and have a no strike clause. After all it's a public safety issue
The State law that creates the right of police to bargain collectively also prohibits police from striking. Hence, arbitration is available instead. No, I don't like it either. Just sharing info.
I say give them a good contract, basically everything they want, but force a "No-strike" clause into it. Then this bullshit ends with them holding the city hostage ever couple years.
OT...
I just viewed “16 shots” on showtime.
I must agree the CPD looked like they tried their best to cover up the shooting!
CPD should have just been up front with the video and said yes the mayor saw it too and we paid off the family!
FOP needs to hire professional and experienced negotiators and go into arbitration immediately.
We need to march, call our elected officials, sign petitions, man phone banks and anything else to let them know we aren’t going to take it! Get fired up!
They are giving people who don’t even do shit the bank! The squeaky wheel gets the grease! Get yours before it’s gone!
Easy, they can and will strike. We put our heads up our asses and have FOP.
While our residency requirement is a state law, Chicago’s mayor can eliminate it by choosing not to enforce it. Kind of like Kimm Foxx choosing not to enforce some of the state’s criminal laws.
This is the shit way city hall has treated it’s police officers since the beginning of time. Never get a raise but they have no problem raising everything else around us. Lori says “it will no longer be business as usual” at city hall. So will she change this past practice? Of course not. She will not change a thing. Attention anyone thinking about taking the police test...DONT! Pay attention to the way city hall treats their police. You will not get your last step raise until your 25th year if you last that long. Absolutely ridiculous. And you will be forced to reside in Chicago. Go to the suburbs or surrounding states. No residency and they treat their police fairly.
Teachers organize better and go down to Springfield in buses in matching T-Shirts with clever signs.
Cops trust the controlled opposition FOP to negotiate, who clearly has failed the membership. They don't even try, just spin excuses.
Should just join teachers union to really rustle some jimmies.
"The CTU hasn't put out a decent product in our lifetimes with "graduates" reading at levels unseen outside of most Third World Shitholes."x
Chicago is a Third World Shithole.
Crap like this along with the terrible treatment of police officers, doesn’t make for a very good recruitment pitch for Chicago. Then throw in forced residency along with the pension problems and Chicago becomes very unattractive. Most departments across America are offering lateral transfers to help recruit but they don’t force residency and go years without a contract. Chicago is so behind. Lightfoots comments about the CPD is not helping either.
Because CPD is a huge political fall guy. It always has been. A way to place blame on the entity over the big picture the mayor and politicians actually create and cause themselves in order to save votes
Read the History of the Chicago Teachers Union they have been activists & militant since 1898. They get what they want. And what were the police and firemen doing all those years. Well they did speak a lot about labor relations with the City in those "stress reduction centers" located across the street from the stations and houses!
You could not even convince the FOP rank and file to turn down voluntary overtime for one (1) weekend. Do you think you have enough union solidarity to force a decent contract? The Chicago Machine knows the FOP can't herd the patrol officers to take any unified action, so why be serious about a contract?
The teachers get all that attention and are catered to because the Chicago Machine knows they can and will strike.
Simple, Thanks to Black Lives (Sometimes) Matter, Hands up, don't Shoot!, and the widespread hatred of 5-0; politicians know that they can piss on the police and not receive any blow back in most of Chicago.
Try that in the normal parts of the country where people still believe in Law and Order. The public supports the police and will throw those politicians out on their asses. Start electing decent politicians in Chicago.
Teachers have tougher bigger unions than cops.
Anybody else notice how Waste Management picks up the blue recycling cans?
Has that service been privatized?
This is a GREAT observation SCC.
Too bad the Media does not raise this question.
I remember when I first graduated college and was a substitute teacher in CPS and went to Austin HS to sub for a Math teacher (late 1976). This was a freshman class and I will never forget the skills that they had for math. MOST (over 75%) could NOT do simple arithmetic.
They (over 75% of 28 students) could NOT add 27 and 32 or 47 and 67 or eight other problems I put on the board fro them to work on. (SHOCKING? I thought so too)
The first reaction I had was, what a bunch of stupid people. THEN, I thought -wait, how come these people were all promoted to the next grade without performing skills they should have learned in the second grade??? What were the teachers doing for all those years??
Sounds like CPS has not improved since then and the raises that they have gotten since then have not been based on putting out (graduating) a quality product.
No one can tell me CPS is any "quality academic institution" - not with what I saw with my own eyes as a sub for six months at Crane, Cooley, Austin, Clemente, and several other schools I had the chance to observe.
I left education that first year as my time as a sub teacher opened up my eyes to a broken bureaucracy - WAY BACK THEN. It looks like ALL the money they have spent on it since, has not improved it much.
If Lightfoot is such a "reformer", she should be looking at CPS to change out decades of waste and incompetence.
Because they are a union! The FOP is not and we are under a no strike clause!
They're lying liberals lying to other lying liberals who rarely face real freedom and life losing situations.
They, the "teachers" go home early every day and get plenty of sleep at night. They have energy reserves and a very limited, paper degree pay increase pecking order. Their pay raise levels never depend on merit. They depend on that worthless paper degree. They never miss a family event or holiday. They get paid to take the darkings on field trips someplace other than jail.
They do not have to constantly wade through complex, ever changing laws or a hostile media, community or judges. They are not judged, humiliated, spit on, kicked, vomited on, bled on, smell things so unimaginably foul, witness unspeakable horrors or broken every single day. Oh and lets not mention bugs and wild real animals, not simply the 2 legged ferals.
They certainly aren't held accountable in horrific ways and the keep their jobs permanently.
Rather, the teachers repeat the same drivel, that they plan to repeat year after year. They can and do get even if they don't like a student or parents.
Their frustration level is less than an hour long and then it changes and for less than the next hour, they get a different captive audience who knows misbehavior is limited inside schools because there's truly no place to run away.
The teachers don't live with swivel heads and constant danger, with incredible expectations, and guns pointed at them or screaming, crying, lying, unknown miscreants. Ok sometimes a fist ot knife fight happens, but on the whole, they're subject to few, if any, life threatening events. They see the same students year after year. Their population isn't random, it is planned.
The media halos them when they are abused. They usually aren't constantly vilified.
They do not have to complete lengthy, crazy forms which may return in a year or whenever the criminal goes to trial, and sit in a hot seat trying like hell to remember weird nuances or hoping their report, words or actions don't land them in jail, financial ruin or their families doxxed. They aren't on camera 24x7 with everything continually scrutinized.
Worse, they are supported by lots of parents who ring up aldercreatures so their little darlings aren't constantly under foot.
In short, they have energy and support to fight.
Who backs the police contract? Who esures police have some regular time with their families, and can attend their children's birthday parties or a regular holiday? Who gives the police anything but distain 24x7? Who ensures the police, no matter what they've done, can go home at night?
Oh I forgot, the teschers have to sometimes buy supplies out of their own money. Blue always seem to buy or donate money for something to do good.
I've no respect for teachers. Most aren't mentally fit to tie my shoes. They've rarely saved a life or made life or death decisions. Most in my opinion, are little dictator, snobby, arrogant horror stories.
Time for teachers union, to be put in a "no strike clause" just like first responders!
Put teachers in 401K and freeze and close their pension funds!
Then teachers can know how police and fire employees feel about this city!
Oh and adding to earlier comment: teachers don't have to wear 100 pounds of gear or the same cheap fabric clothes every single day. They only need to take refresher classes once in a while, not spend time at the range, maintaining pistols, volunteering for endless community programs and mandatory training. They aren't shadowed as rookies.
So strike. They cant and won’t jail you all....
It’s a real union.
No need to strike, just do a report and get back in the car.
FOP. ARBITRATION IMMEDIATELY!!!!!!!! what do want, another couple years of waiting. ????? ARBITRATION NOW!!!!!!
CTU wins because they stick together. Simple as that.
The teachers should give back 1/4 of their salary. Don't they work 3/4 of the year.. Union of leftists .
"16 shots"
Minnesota Fats documentary?
Well said
Hey, just look at the product CPS is producing.
Left wing activists. Taught to hate everything their parents ever did.
Anonymous said...
OT...
I just viewed “16 shots” on showtime.
I must agree the CPD looked like they tried their best to cover up the shooting!
CPD should have just been up front with the video and said yes the mayor saw it too and we paid off the family!
6/16/2019 12:46:00 AM
If a Hollywood producer makes a movie about it, it must be true. They never lie or distort the facts. \
Get a clue. The only cover up was by the mayor who was running for re-election. The police superintendent is the mayor’s puppet and does whatever he’s told. The mayor’s brother, coincidentally, is a Hollywood big shot. This movie distorts the facts to make the mayor look innocent.
they feel they can strike now because they have one of their own as mayor.
i say give them what they want gory lori leftfoot.
add another half billion to the 700m shortfall. who gives a fuck we're democrats!
gonna LMFAO when the vault doors slam shut. those worthless IOUs given to local institutions can be blocked by the fed. keep screwing with trump.
Education required by law = Indoctrination.
Education required by law + defined by government = Indoctrination.
Education required by law + defined by government + financed by taxation = Indoctrination.
Education required by law + defined by government + financed by taxation + political cronyism = You have found Waldo!!!!
Yes you have!!!
And you are Waldo!!!!
Yes you are!!
And Waldo is you!!!!
Comrade!!!!
Can ya spare a crust of bread???
For the children????
Teachers union is infested with Communists, and they take care of each other.
CLOUT thats the simple answer the teacher union has it the police and fire unions don't, at the city state and national level the teachers have a very functional political lobbing organization to protect and enhance their wants if a pol gets a call from them they pay attention or else. to the public they hide behind "the children" want your kids to get a good education in Chicago you have send them to a private school, My daughter and son picked up a couple of credits at city colleges and couldn't believe what the other kids didn't know, college level LOL
That is because we take it, maybe if the FOP acted like a union and not a group of fools things might be different, hire a fucking spokesman and stop looking like fools!
The teachers learned quickly from the ruthless politicians to be greedy! The city, county and state are broke because the politicians rewarded themselves, friends and family and their politically affluent allies! The teachers organized, learned to strike in a timely fashion and played their cards close to their breast! The cops on the other hand had exempts who were already getting promoted the minute they came on the job, so their loyalties were with the politicians and they gave up the farm because of this! It still continues today in this dishonest, greedy, unethical world with NO INTEGRITY OR LOYOLTY!!!
CPD doesn't have a union, they have a useless organization called FOP. The FOP is a very sad joke, always has been and always will be. CPD keeps re-electing the same incompetent people decade after decade to represent them and then wonder why nothing changes. Will CPD ever wake up and either dump the FLOP or elect actual negotiators to manage it? No they won't because CPD cannot stick together. Far too many egos. CPD has no one to blame except CPD and sadly I don't see it ever changing.
There are a lot of good individual men and women working at CPD, but you don't stick together. Sad.
Teachers get taken care of because they are socialists for the most part, like the local political leaders, and have the same agenda.
And then they go on to Chicago State and are given a BA degree AND still can’t read.
Police need to shut-down Lake Shore Drive and march to the Mayor's house and roust the shifty-eyed runt from bed. Don't leave without fair contract in hand.
Don't even tell FOP you are going, leave them on the golf course.
Public school teaching is a racket. All about dumbing down the kids due to mathphobic teachers that screw their students whenever they can get away with it. Some of us had to curtail careers in order to home school during certain postings and I can testify that the larger the district, the worse the results. Organized mediocrity, and I pity the kids as well as the parents that have to deal with over-sized districts like Chicago. Overpaid and undereducated is my take on the secondary system. Certainly lacking discipline or security for the non-thugs
They want to fill hundreds of millions of annual budget short fall. Start by eliminating bussing. We are not bussing for integration. We are bussing because mom and dad don’t want to drive one of their 2 cars. Transportation in cos budget is $500+ million a year.
The democrats run the teachers unions
The democrats campaign on emotions and vaginas
Thus, the democrats prop out "children!"
And hide behind children and vaginas as they steal more money from working people.
PDs are at a deficit as they are adults and don't focus on vaginas
Simple Marketing
To the ones considering this job. You will be treated with no respect from the politicians, the folks, the bosses who will not have your back.You’ll remain without a contract for years, your weekend holidays will be cancelled, talked down to by this mayor who repeats rumors and lies.When it’s time to use force that is necessary you will be sued and raked over the coals maybe lose you’re job or your freedom,Ordered to stAnd down as the lil ass punk protester yells six inches from your face while spit spews from his mouth onto your face. Everyone will wait for you to fuckup on or off duty for your public hanging. Everyone and their mother waiting to stick it in you. You will be forced to live in a city that taxes and fines the hell out of you . You will be stressed out more now then ever as this job has changed forever. You will put your life at risk everyday for a big fuck you at the end of the day. Not to mention merit promotions to these fucks who don’t know shit . The list goes on and on. But if you can deal with that come on down bring your own grease! To the mayor, i didn’t vote for you but I had hope that you would be the change after your acceptance speech. You are on the wrong track. Don’t be angry with the police it’s not their fault that the savages are killing each other and the citizens of the same neighborhood chose to remain silent. Gather all the black politicians the activist, Obama and whoever and speak in the neighborhoods instead of blaming the police for the crime!
Here's what is coming:
Lori will offer to concede on the residency issue in return for
huge contract concessions, bigger member contributions and two tier wages and benefits where new hires have a different pension, wage and benefit package etc. This is coming.
How much is it worth to CPD to escape the residency rules?
Public pensions (especially in Chicago) are simply not sustainable in Illinois. The solution is no longer to simply kick the problem down the road.
Sad but true.
Why is everyone in a big hurry to get a contract let it keep going people can still retire under the 55 and 2 percent about 600 people left then a gap of 5 years then another wave of coppers from the early nineties let it go and just work..
On the other hand, it's easier to keep the murder rate down than to teach the unteachable.
Let me negotiate our contract! I’ll tell them how it’s going to be and they’ll have to deal with it! Well, I won’t negotiate per say, but I’ll make someone else do it for me!
MAIU style!
OT just read story on 32 link about prediction of people going to IN for gas and cigs. What they failed to talk about was the other border states and the fact that people shop for many other things on their gas and cigarette buying trips. Clothes groceries, ammunition predict the loss in sales tax revenue from these purchases will wipe a majority of newfound revenues the Democrats are counting on. Maybe they weren't paying attention to the Sugar Tax fiasco. So when that happens Fatso will find another few taxes to levy until there are no taxpayers left in city or state. I predict that JB will be named the United Van Lines and Two Men And A Truck salesman of the year. Sorry salesperson of the year. Penske and U-Haul will offer Fatso similar awards.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I beleive FOP is prohiboted from striking
6/16/2019 12:09:00 AM
No shit Sherlock.
The teachers use real negotiators.
Anonymous said...
The State law that creates the right of police to bargain collectively also prohibits police from striking. Hence, arbitration is available instead. No, I don't like it either. Just sharing info.
6/16/2019 12:35:00 AM
Like we didn’t know this already. Tell me something I don’t know.
Compared to CTU, FOP 7 is a tiny irrelevant voting block that the city (machine) just doesn't deem valuable enough to worry about. FOP 7 keeps voting mousy presidents in succession. We need a leader like Karen Lewis or Paul Vallas to go forward. Think about that next election. And as for solidarity, we cant even agree on common sense issues. When we are all of one voice we will become a force to be reckoned with.
I'll be retiring very soon, and nothing will have changed during my career. We will NOT have had a contract longer (more years) that the time we HAVE had one. I will move out of Illinois, and NO LONGER remain a member of FOP 7.
#1) I don't have and never did have any damn kids in CPS! I shouldn't have to pay as much, if anything, into the system!
#2) Yes, I agree folks sending their children to private schools should get vouchers.
#3) Aren't the teachers about to go on their 3 month summer vacations?
#4) I'm really tired of paying for the children of welfare cheats and illegals to use the school systems as babysitters.
Without the right to strike, this is really a union in name only. What we really are is nothing more than a mix of men and women with a few rights, trying to do what we are trained to do under a commie liberal agenda, while always hoping for the best.
It’s not BS, cops are mean. Teachers have embraced lbgqt and socialism, so they’re rewarded by society with not having to do shift work, holidays and weekends off, and only have to work 9 months out of the year. Police are cromagnons, and just too darn judgmental. I say more lounges in the stations, so police can chill, more block parties less tickets, more peace circles, and pot lucks in some of the communities, and why all the guns. I think we need more police dance offs, or police lip sync contests, hand out t-shirts to the under privileged children, maybe shoes for the homeless, yeah that’s the ticket!
Yeah. But also understand Conservatives and mainstream Republicans in the state of Illinois mostly suck and never, ever take up the obvious winning issues of fighting against Chicago's violent crime and Chicago's hopeless corrupt $ 9 billion a year CTU Chicago Public Schools.
Before Karen Lewis got sick and lost 100 lbs, she was the perfect poster gal/creature for bloated big city one party Lib Leftist misrule. She was a twin of Jabba the Hut.
GOP Conservatives, suburban and downstate GOP could have scored huge points running against fat, bloated CTU Karen Lewis and noting Chicago's murder and mayhem with more shootings and murders than New York City and Los Angeles combined. It didn't happen.
Teachers can be laid off without cause. You can’t. The city can lockout the teachers. The city can’t lockout the police. The anti strike law states that at impasse, both sides are subject to binding arbitration. The teachers don’t have this provision. The city and teacher union can request mediation during impasse, but it’s not binding on either side.
If police had the right to strike, then the employer would have substantially more power of each officer. Each district would be like a school. The city could shut down a district, lay off all the officers, and force the officers to seek employment at another district. This is how the city got rid of the teachers they didn’t want. Bottom line is that if the police went on strike, the city would terminate all officers, lower requirements for new hires, only hire back officers with no complaints, and build a new police force. It’s exactly what they want, so be careful what you wish for.
Anonymous said...
OT...
I just viewed “16 shots” on showtime.
I must agree the CPD looked like they tried their best to cover up the shooting!
CPD should have just been up front with the video and said yes the mayor saw it too and we paid off the family!
6/16/2019 12:46:00 AM
The CPD did not cover up the video. The cover up was a direct order from the mayor, Rahm. He ordered the video to be hidden. He quickly paid off the family to keep them quiet. Why were the command staff protected from the legal fallout? Why were the exempt members who approved the paperwork allowed to retire without any explanation? Ask the current superintendent what his role was in the shooting? Did he stand up and say why he approved the shooting? Something to think about.
You're 100% spot on SCC, the Chicago Teachers Union is the last Union that should be 'demanding' a raise for Chicago Public School Teachers.
I just checked with THIS WEBSITE: US News, Education. Chicago has the Top Six Schools in Illinois: ......
--- 1) Payton College Preparatory HS --- 2)Northside College Preparatory HS --- 3) Lane Technical HS --- 4) Young Magnet HS --- 5) Jones College Prep HS --- 6) Adlai E Stevenson HS. And those first 5 are in the Top 100 in the Nation.
Then we get back down to reality. My Alma Mater, good old Kelly HS is 190th in the Chicago 'Metro Area' (whatever that means), #223 in Illinois, and 7,584 in the Nation. And has a US News Scorecard of 56.2 out of 100. This is pretty piss-poor when you take into account the Kelly has one of Chicago's largest enrollments.
And to be fully transparent here's the rankings of the High School our two daughters went to and graduated from: Downers Grove North HS, Comm High School Dist. 99
#44 in Chi 'Metro Area', #42 in Ilinois, #888 in the Nation and has a US News Scorecard of 94.85 out of 100.
I didn't check this time but a few years ago when the Chicago Teachers were threatening to Strike I found a website that showed how much money was spent per student. Chicago was near THE TOP at over $10,000 Dollars per Student! And that number was only increased from that since then.
Commie run CTU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BARB-aSqYM
What I find truly fascinating is the fact that we allow a moron, a politician to be in charge of Police. This makes no sense at all. Mayors have no clue about policing. It only serves to politicize a department. This is like putting the local butcher in charge of surgeons. Just idiotic.
Also don't forget that teachers actually vote. As far as the results of their teaching efforts, they are working with a pretty low IQ bunch of students. The baby mommas pretty much ate a diet consisting of flamin hots, nehi and wings. No books on the house, staying up till 0100 on skool nights.....
Oh, the answer is so simple!
Progressives have co-opted teachers - they are the progressives’ chief propagandists. Without teachers on their side, the progressives won’t have an endless supply of well-indoctrinated (but poorly educated) voters and protesters.
CPD doesn’t advance the progressive narrative, except by being a target for progressives to hate.
Gang membership, educational attainment, and poverty drive crime. Failing to educate on the front-end leads to crime, incarceration, and police intervention on the back.
But the police will now fill the CPS gap. CPD HQ's current embrace of restorative justice programming comes after 100 years of failure to see even outcomes in literacy and education attainments for black males in Chicago. Yet the police will provide wraparound services to pursue Lightfoot's shiny new strategy of 'non-incarceral' approach to gun crimes while providing support for those young men at risk for committing gun crime. Read gangs. CPD will work in tandem with Arnie Duncan's Street Cred, ReadyChicago, and Communities Partnered For Peace despite a complete lack of evidence or historical precedent for the Chicago foray in experimental criminal justice theory. Meanwhile Chicago schools plug along with dismal reading achievement, deleterious outcome, and high school dropout.
The NEA NATIONAL EDUCATION ASSOCIATION is the communist head of all lower level teacher's unions. They are perverted and wicked in their dogma.
Striking against children and your neighbor for more money and benefits is EVIL. Pure greed and the love of money is the root of all evil.
Sharkey is just saber rattling to see if he can get froggy to jump off her lily pad.
why are the feds not investigating corruption in the teachers union?
And FOP is the obstructionist.
25,000 membership = 97% Democrat votes. (2% no shows, .25% other, .05 % +/- margin)
They’re seeking a 5% wage increase, smaller class size and sole exclusivity to Strike even if the State passes a law to forbid.
Oh, and likely a status quo on Rahm’s no pension contribution increase concession too.
The Prickwrinkle endorsing CTU also promises that if they get what they want - LL Kool J will find CTU as a “steadfast ally”.
I’m no fancy book learned loy’er, but that’s quid pro quo...isn’t it?
Can this be antitrust, obstruction or coercion?
Where does collusion come in?
Watch out CTU.
Y’all is dealing with a real assistant federal prosecutor and not an unaccredited, non-MBA, Washington DC financial wizard this time.
CTU Shaky spoke at the inept, softball, never objecting City Club in April a month before Loopy LightLoafer was sworn in.
OT: A very happy father's day to all LEOs. We're very grateful for you. Thank you so much for all your sacrifices.
God bless you and keep you. Hoping you enjoy many blessings with your family today and always.
Thank a teecher if you can reed this
CTU doesn't have a STRIKE CLAUSE in their contract. CPD does,they can strike anytime, CPD can not STRIKE !!!!
Meanwhile firefighters picket (forming from all over illinois) as we go to work... but hey... fuck us right? (as I throw on my shit before work)
Sad, but true. I went through CPS back in the 70s and it was pretty lousy back then. My freshman algebra teacher would waltz into the classroom and spend a good part of the time reading horoscopes, Ann Landers and talking with students about everything except algebra. This occurred on a daily basis. The biology and trig teachers weren’t much better. Don’t understand something? Too bad. They’d send kids on to the next grade regardless. Can’t say I witnessed much accountability at all, and the cycle seems to continue. Yet CPD gets bashed each and every day and can’t secure a new contract? Here’s an idea for all the cop bashers, stop calling 911 and deal with your problems on your own.
They should also pay their full 11 % pension contribution instead of us tax payers paying 9 % of it !!!!!
We have a “No Strike” clause. Not to mention severe penalties - I believe the phrase is “up to and including termination” - for orchestrating/advocating/participating in any kind of job action, i.e. “Blue Flu”, “Fetal Friday”, “No Tickets Tuesday”... whatever you’d wanna call it.
That said, you can decide as an individual to lay down and do nothing but be reactive. There’s absolutely no way to prove your intent if you keep your mouth shut and just do what needs to be done. Sure, there’ll be a mutual understanding regarding what everyone is up to, but if it’s not advertised and promoted the Shitty can’t do a fucking thing to make examples of people who they believe are laying down.
I’ll do exactly what’s requested of me when the requesting Stupidvisors give that order & itemize their wishlists ON PAPER (LEGAL orders only, anything else can be refused without fear of repercussions). Until then? You know what I’d be doing. The fear of litigation brought forth by officers that might be affected by retaliation would likely send a loud and clear message. Especially when individual stupidvisors are named in addition to the City of Chicago and punitive damages are sought.
Enjoy the freedom that only “fetality” can bring, boys and girls.
I’m not a LEO. Let me ask this: if the FOP doesn’t serve you, then why not hold a vote to decertify them?
When parents fail in their job, the resulting product becomes the job of teachers. When teachers fail in their job, the resulting product becomes the job of the police!
16 Shots documentary = Dean Angelo and Will Calloway Oscar nominations. Dean you should be ashamed of yourself for the Monday morning quarterbacking!
CTU is a money laundering industry for the DNC party . The union funnels cash to Democrats yearly. CPS exists to enrich adults , not educate kids . It's an arm of the Democrat party
You can hold me in contempt any day. I go home to my family.
Yeah it is very simple the teachers have a backbone and really stick together. They also have better ledership.The FOP is every man for himself and terrible leaders. Next question?
Bigger union but they went for toni and she lost,so why would lori do anything for them unless they offer her more fundraising free trips like she has been on constantly out of state with the full freeloading entourage!
It's because they don't want all these little bastards running around on the streets!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
While our residency requirement is a state law, Chicago’s mayor can eliminate it by choosing not to enforce it. Kind of like Kimm Foxx choosing not to enforce some of the state’s criminal laws.
6/16/2019 01:07:00 AM
And your point? She doesn’t enforce it, you sell and move and in 4 years a new mayor takes office and enforces it
Anonymous Anonymous said...
They pay 3% into their pensions!!! Fuck them!
6/16/2019 12:17:00 AM
It’s actually 2%
About 20 years ago one of the papers did a study on the poor graduation rates at CPS. One of the conclusions was that there were too many sud-standard teachers hired who had graduated from lower ranking state universities like Chicago State and Northeastern Illinois. Blowback called the report as being racist and it quickly disappeared. No changes made.
Give them a 9% raise and an increase into paying
Their pension by 6%. case solved.
Lori hasn’t shown hatred towards teachers.
She shows hatred for us every chance she gets.
can't wait for the day cops get pulled from schools. these lefties called teachers are going to get the full ghetto from the little darlings they helped nurture.
i figure a budget boost of 100m a year in school security and plenty of union dues paying jobs.
The teachers always get whatever they want they do a crappy job their students are in trouble constantly academically they have a high school placement rate of 80% college placement rate of 60% If that many. They should all be required to live in the city of Chicago so they can watch the students that they have taught grow up and become adults that are respectable but then again many of the ones they teach have no respect for anything their parents majority of them are one parent households anyway. Are we going to get to Chicago police Department finally out of the Chicago public schools in all the public schools that have over 500 children sexually assaulted and yet the CEO of the public schools remains at Office and Laurie is proud of her telling her is the best thing ever.
So they have a better or should I say a Real union, why tear them down when you should direct this to lodge 7
Start electing decent politicians in Chicago.
6/16/2019 02:26:00 AM
Sure will, but first you have to find one.
Tough to do? You bet. Chicago, Cook County and Illinois are decent politician deserts.
9:08, totally agree. Best money ever spent was for my kids catholic schools.
Can someone explain to us how the teachers can threaten to strike if their non expired Contract isn't renegotiated and signed before the new school year but the FOP has to sit and beg for a new Contract that's two years expired? And the PBPA is three years gone.
The CTU hasn't put out a decent product in our lifetimes with "graduates" reading at levels unseen outside of most Third World shitholes, but somehow have the audacity to demand raises. At least the police kept homicides somewhat stagnant for a time...even with the lies told to the media and at CompStat meetings.
Easy answer for that one: There are way more Union schoolmarms than LEO's
Here's what is coming:
Lori will offer to concede on the residency issue in return for
huge contract concessions, bigger member contributions and two tier wages and benefits where new hires have a different pension, wage and benefit package etc. This is coming.
How much is it worth to CPD to escape the residency rules?
Public pensions (especially in Chicago) are simply not sustainable in Illinois. The solution is no longer to simply kick the problem down the road.
Sad but true.
Pensions not sustainable. Don’t tell us, tell the politicians. That was the first thing the newly elected govern did, by 5 or 7 years. He ran on solving the pension situation and then kicked it down the road
New hires already have a different pension. Their benefits are determined by the last 8 , not the last 4. Huge difference when averaging last 8 instead of 4
I think the police, like doctors, are not only prohibited from going on strike it would be a PR nightmare. The public would have no sympathy for either profession going on strike. Just don't let your kids aspire to be cops. It's a dying profession. Seems like lunacy but we're headed to wild west territory for a decade or two.
Anonymous said...
Teachers can be laid off without cause. You can’t. The city can lockout the teachers. The city can’t lockout the police. The anti strike law states that at impasse, both sides are subject to binding arbitration. The teachers don’t have this provision. The city and teacher union can request mediation during impasse, but it’s not binding on either side.
If police had the right to strike, then the employer would have substantially more power of each officer. Each district would be like a school. The city could shut down a district, lay off all the officers, and force the officers to seek employment at another district. This is how the city got rid of the teachers they didn’t want. Bottom line is that if the police went on strike, the city would terminate all officers, lower requirements for new hires, only hire back officers with no complaints, and build a new police force. It’s exactly what they want, so be careful what you wish for.
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They are already lowering standards and building a new police force.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
While our residency requirement is a state law, Chicago’s mayor can eliminate it by choosing not to enforce it. Kind of like Kimm Foxx choosing not to enforce some of the state’s criminal laws.
6/16/2019 01:07:00 AM
And your point? She doesn’t enforce it, you sell and move and in 4 years a new mayor takes office and enforces it
6/16/2019 02:08:00 PM
I’m tired of the uninformed saying forced residency is a “state law.” There is NO state law that FORCES Chicago to require residency. The law is “Home Rule” which allows Chicago to have residency if they so choose. Springfield could care less what Chicago requires their workers to do regarding residency. If city hall decides to lift the requirement they can. If our FOP wants it lifted then they have to challenge it in court.
Apparently nothing is below Dean Angelo.
How's that free car working out, asshole.
You sell golf shoes outta da trunk?
They should also pay their full 11 % pension contribution instead of us tax payers paying 9 % of it !!!!!
6/16/2019 12:10:00 PM
You have no idea what you are talking about.
Put 40 of the people you arrest one at a time all in the same classroom and try and teach them something, let me know how it goes
The kicker is that they mobilize the little demons to go downtown and protest for every little SJW, Liberal Progressive, and Anti Police demonstration against law and order especially if they see money for some future "Program". Frankly it's all a display of their power play to grab more from the tax payer with the phrase "It's for the children!" You know the ones they want aborted, The ones the Lottery is gonna pay to educate. The ones the new marijuana laws and casinos, gas tax, are gonna help fund. Just like the toll way tolls were gonna be removed once the roads were payed for. It will never end. Now Lori DIMWIT is gonna tax more too as she dines with Oprah on Wagu beef and other shit the Chicago Public Day care and Restaurant kids will never see unless they become waiters. But she is outta town collecting on her one term of fame for the DNC. She thinks she is gonna be a millionaire like Oprah, DeBlasio, and Colbert. She doesn't get she is being used. Like Obama an empty suit given fame before any accomplishment along with the Nobel peace prize as his administration was at war his entire time as Pres.
“I just viewed “16 shots” on showtime.
I must agree the CPD looked like they tried their best to cover up the shooting!
CPD should have just been up front with the video and said yes the mayor saw it too and we paid off the family!”
The cover up was from Rahm and city hall. And the cover up from the highest of CPDs brass was at direct orders from Rahm. But, a regressive activist said it, so it must be true.
“Anonymous Bt 5780 said...
Let me negotiate our contract! I’ll tell them how it’s going to be and they’ll have to deal with it! Well, I won’t negotiate per say, but I’ll make someone else do it for me!
MAIU style!”
I love these, please keep them going haha
Retired CPS teacher here...Thank you CPD for all that you do. You are appreciated more than you realize. Happy Father’s Day to all and God Bless you!
If police had the right to strike, then the employer would have substantially more power of each officer. Each district would be like a school. The city could shut down a district, lay off all the officers, and force the officers to seek employment at another district. This is how the city got rid of the teachers they didn’t want. Bottom line is that if the police went on strike, the city would terminate all officers, lower requirements for new hires, only hire back officers with no complaints, and build a new police force. It’s exactly what they want, so be careful what you wish for.
6/16/2019 09:51:00 AM
So explain how they closed 013, 021 & 023.
You really have no idea what you're talking about.
CPD = Government Employees = Cannot Strike
(Remember Air Traffic Controllers & Ronnie Regan)
THE most essential always get screwed. YOU have
to play 3-D chess to beat these bastards. Use EVERY
weapon you have: Medical, vacation, disability (hello
Dean "Disability" Angelo)
Save your fucking money. Lottery = tax on people who
don't understand math. Fuck their Casinos. House
fixed to win. Buy a no-load S & P 500 fund and let
American companies grow your funds.
SCC, you have the power to do what the FOP is not. Just depends if you want that burden. Make PDF flyers for people to print and bring to their roll calls, and put them as posts on here. Give some summer work guidelines on how to legally stay fetal and protect yourself. Quote the contract and directives. At the bottom, give guidelines for how to deal with supervisors retaliating or pressuring for numbers, and a couple good lawyer’s phone numbers that specialize in workplace hostility, harassment, and retaliation. We need to fight back.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I’m not a LEO. Let me ask this: if the FOP doesn’t serve you, then why not hold a vote to decertify them?
6/16/2019 12:21:00 PM
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The bottom line problem for ANYONE representing the CPD is that there is a NO STRIKE clause [it may be an Illinois law] which causes any representation to be a toothless tiger. If CPD could strike, the city would be on their knees at our feet.
While our residency requirement is a state law, Chicago’s mayor can eliminate it by choosing not to enforce it. Kind of like Kimm Foxx choosing not to enforce some of the state’s criminal laws.
6/16/2019 01:07:00 AM
You are comparing apples to oranges. The city has you on this issue and none of your ingenious solutions are going to make the issue disappear. Many before you have tried and failed.
Learned this about Teachers a LONG time ago:
They go to night school, not to get smart, not to
teach better, but to get that Holy Grail: The Masters
Degree. It's a credential, written into the contract,
to automatically boost their pay.
Teachers don't teach to he students, they don't teach
to the test, they teach to the W-2 Form. Money, Money,
Money. (Cue Pink Floyd)
Teachers: We're Only In It For The Money
2:50 pm
She hasn’t yet. But the teachers are showing the same animosity toward her that we are. Do you think that maybe, just maybe, it might help both of our causes to unite? Vast majority of teachers aren’t a rag tag bunch of socialists. Many are actually supporters of police and, fathom this: are married to PO PO.
Fancy that.
Cuthbert:
You obviously didn’t pass geography at Kelly, because Stevenson is in Buffalo Grove.
Your daughters were in the DG school system? Are you lying about your address? Or are you just a suburbanite chiming in because you heard about SCC from your fellow DuPage HS graduate Dan Proft?
Dipshit.
SCC, this is what a cop hater looks like. Another of the guys who moved to Chicago from elsewhere. Lives in 009. Total punk.
https://mobile.twitter.com/samstecky/status/1140444509723082752
Communist Public School.
Mao is winning!
And the Chicago Public Schools graduate EVERYONE! I can't count the number of times I saw Laquan in his red cap and gown.
Parsing Alert: 6/16/2019 01:37:00 PM, having earned a parsing, shall thus receive a parsing.
To wit:
Yeah it is very simple (It is simple. Yep.)
the teachers have a backbone (Nope. They got a scambone. A gaggle of scambones.)
and really stick together. (like turds in a bucket. A bucket of sticky turds.)
They also have better ledership. (A boss turd. A dozen boss turd turd lickers. The rest are mere floaters.)
The FOP is every man for himself (The world is every man for himself. And every broad for herself. The difference between turdling unity and human cooperation is the difference between the shit we taxpayers are forced to finance and the honest governing of our selves by honest men and women who are not turds.)
and terrible leaders. (Honest men and women do not seek to be sticky turds led to the destination of all turds. Not even for more money. You lead yourself. You define coordination of the efforts by your own choosing. You do not like being required to think? You are turdling. Join the ctu turds. You are sticky enough.)
Next question? (Are you funny turdling? Well, are you?)
Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
They pay 3% into their pensions!!! Fuck them!
6/16/2019 12:17:00 AM
It’s actually 2%
6/16/2019 02:08:00 PM
Contribution rates need to get bumped to at least 20% if you actually want to fund the pension.
Lol, if cops work in schools, they should demand to be included in teacher union/ pension plan.
See how quickly many of us jump on a band wagon to bash another union!
We forget they closed down schools.
We forget that many were laid off.
WE forget they actually marched against RAHM.
Dont always believe what Heads of unions support the anti police exist throughout this city.
Take a DEEP breath and focus on what your brothers at FOP lodge 7 are doing or not doing.
Let those union cause LIGHT GROOT grief and take notes on what works.
dont think like a sheep the teacher dont control those kids just like we dont control them on the streets with a gun.
https://news.yahoo.com/cara-smith-judicial-appointment-7th-212804562.html
Push Back begins on the controversial Smith appointment.
“CTU wins because they stick together. Simple as that”
Wrong. They win because they always have the ability to strike in their back pocket. We don’t have that option, but we can go fetal. Which the department has. Yah there’s always going to be people working, but that small percentage isn’t what’s preventing us from getting a contract. We have overall almost completely stopped activity, resulting in sky rocketing crime and a city out of control. The problem is, we are used as political pawns, so they don’t care how feral we go, we will he made the bad guys, for political reasons.
There are actually some good CPS schools. The difference is those schools have parents who care and help their kids with homework. They also hold crappy teachers accountable. The crappy teachers usually get transferred to another school that doesn't have parents who care. A lot of the teachers in those schools actually support the Police and all city workers but they are way outnumbered by the dog teachers who support the CTU socialist agenda. I know MT Greenwood School always has banners out supporting the Police. So do some of the N/W side schools. If you choose wisely and assert your rights as a parent you can get your child a good education. Sometimes its hard but we pay lots of property taxes for these schools.
While our residency requirement is a state law,
No, don't think so.
It was talked about making it a law that police had tp live in their juristiction, but don't believe it passed. It is a City Ordinance which the City Council would have to repeal.
And if it were passed it would probably apply to all City workers.
They can threaten anything they want
While our residency requirement is a state law,
No, don't think so.
It was talked about making it a law that police had tp live in their juristiction, but don't believe it passed. It is a City Ordinance which the City Council would have to repeal.
And if it were passed it would probably apply to all City workers.
6/16/2019 11:47:00 PM
Guess again.
Illinois Constitution, Article VII, Section 6, Home Rule.
Illinois Municipal Code 65 ILCS 5/3.1-10-6
City of Chicago Municipal Code 2-152-050.
Also see:
Chicago Police Contract Article 27-Residency.
CPD Rules & Regulations-Rule #25.
Sorry ibob, but their threats are always followed by the threatened actions. Unlike the FOP and CPD of useless and idol threats which the city administrations pay no attention to. Thearts are one thing actions are what count and the CPU get actions from its members.
Glad to see my post got 9:59 to the bathroom so he could take time to relieve his constipation issues since he was so focused on turds. It is really simple start by everyone refusing overtime. There was that so hard. Two have everyone call out anyone doing anything other than driving carefully to job and writing the proper paper. Three and this is where it gets hard find and financially support law and order candidate for Kims position. Now that you have solved the your full of crap issues get busy.
Pritzker gave them everything they wanted,(on a state level).
While our residency requirement is a state law,
No, don't think so.
It was talked about making it a law that police had tp live in their juristiction, but don't believe it passed. It is a City Ordinance which the City Council would have to repeal.
And if it were passed it would probably apply to all City workers.
6/16/2019 11:47:00 PM
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The residency requirement is not State law exactly. What IS State law is that the residency requirement cannot be subjected to arbitration in Municipalities that have over one million in population. In other words, FOP says we want to get rid of residency, city says Blow and that's the end of that. They cant make it part of the arbitration and it cannot be overturned by an arbitrator. It would have to be taken to court. Good luck with that.
To: Anonymous of 6/16/2019 @ 09:34:00 PM
Listen up Buttercup, my humblest apologies about 'Adli Stevenson HS' error, but back in the day, there was a School named exactly THAT located on the SW Side of Chicago. So no, I didn't flunk Geography -- which would have been at Shields Elem School.
And no, I haven't 'lied' about anything. SCC and long-time readers here know full well I've OFTEN said I live in 'Beautiful DuPage County'. I've also said quite OFTEN, why and when we fled Chicago and Brighton Park for these much safer environs. And much better Schools like Downers Grove North HS.
And for your edification (I know, it's a big word -- look it up), I've also posted numerous times WHY I start the day reading the News here and my current ties to Chicago. I'm fairly sure that it's not exclusive or requires pre-approval. Well, actually pre-approval IS required -- by SCC.
Maybe you should start your own Members Only Blog.
And I have NO idea of who 'Dan Proft' is or what he does.
ps: Drinking and Posting is never a good idea. Dipshit.
Since a 1981 Chicago Teachers have only paid 2% per check into their pension, CPS picks up the other 7% to equal 9% which every other labor union pays. They will strike to keep this perk.
The CTU and CPS are strongholds of power with their mantra of "It's for the children".......
However, the children they are turning out, graduating, pushing on to the next grade, are ill equipped to function in this new techno-savvy world. Now is it their fault? With no parents in the home making them do their homework, show up for the PTA meetings, show up at "meet the teacher day" - is it any wonder that they can barely read, write, do any type of math, speak proper English? So how then do they go on with life, get jobs, become productive citizens? Maybe there needs to be a complete overhaul of this city's public education system where kids actually LEARN things....by teachers who actually TEACH, instead of just tolerate and push them out.
Those supporting the CTU, remember when they had their rallies and they had their members bash the racist police, and the CTU did nothing about it. Fuck them and their worthless ignorant members
SCC, you have the power to do what the FOP is not. Just depends if you want that burden. Make PDF flyers for people to print and bring to their roll calls, and put them as posts on here. Give some summer work guidelines on how to legally stay fetal and protect yourself. Quote the contract and directives. At the bottom, give guidelines for how to deal with supervisors retaliating or pressuring for numbers, and a couple good lawyer’s phone numbers that specialize in workplace hostility, harassment, and retaliation. We need to fight back.
We need to fight back?
You want SCC to do all the work.
What are YOU gonna do?
Sit back & give orders?
Why don't YOU make FOP do their jobs?
Do you go to the FOP meetings and insist FOP do as you suggest/demand?
She hasn’t yet. But the teachers are showing the same animosity toward her that we are. Do you think that maybe, just maybe, it might help both of our causes to unite? Vast majority of teachers aren’t a rag tag bunch of socialists. Many are actually supporters of police and, fathom this: are married to PO PO.
Weed's not legat till 1Jan2020. Random drug will catch you. Ease up.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
They should also pay their full 11 % pension contribution instead of us tax payers paying 9 % of it !!!!!
6/16/2019 12:10:00 PM
You have no idea what you are talking about.
Teachers pay 2%, taxpayers pick up the other 7%
I say FOP utilize a nuclear option in arbitration; the city moves to fuck FOP and our contract with little/no raises, increase medical payments by members, screwing retirees, stripping our legal rights, fine. REMOVE the no-strike clause. Imagine that, we don’t get fired for striking, on say Fourth of July, New Years, Memorial Day. Having all of our days off cancelled no more.
While our residency requirement is a state law,
No, don't think so.
It was talked about making it a law that police had tp live in their juristiction, but don't believe it passed. It is a City Ordinance which the City Council would have to repeal.
And if it were passed it would probably apply to all City workers.
6/16/2019 11:47:00 PM
It’s completely unconstitutional
https://news.yahoo.com/cara-smith-judicial-appointment-7th-212804562.html
Push Back begins on the controversial Smith appointment.
The only reason for the push back is the alderman made a deal to get his wife elected to the seat and thought Anne Burke would take care of her but now that the spotlight is on the family she couldn’t do it.
CTU the darling of dem pols the ruination of ChIraq
Our Property taxes are high and will be even more BC CTU
CTU should work 365 Biggest scam going and they are molding the youth
It’s completely unconstitutional
6/17/2019 02:44:00 PM
Please cite the portion of the constitution being violated.
Or, are you referring to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness in the United States Declaration of Independence?
I thought I heard them all, but your angle is a new one.
Why is a private/ Christian(Catholic) school education superior to the substandard indoctrination camp down the street I'm over taxed to support?
Mr. SouthSide says ---
For those of you who are too afraid to go south, there is a Stevenson High School on 127th St. In Blue Island
Dan Proft was a radio guy who once ran for governor receiving one percent of votes cast.
Teachers aren’t the enemy, and the CTU isn’t competing holding you back. This reminds me to my kids complain about who got more mashed potatoes.
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