Promoting Predators
Over our nearly thirty years, we saw boatloads of persons promoted, many of whom shouldn't have ever been near a promotional opportunity. Many were assholes. A few were criminals. Others were just scumbags.
Chicago’s system of promotions remains out of step with other big cities. Police departments in New York City and Los Angeles consider disciplinary records before promoting officers, seeing their past actions as a critical factor in determining whether they’re fit to supervise others. A survey conducted for the Chicago Police Department of more than a dozen major departments found that only one did not consider discipline in promotions.
In New Orleans, the police department created a promotions policy that considers an officer’s disciplinary history after it fell under a federal consent decree stemming from decades of corruption and misconduct. The department took nearly four years to create and launch its new policy.
Chicago is nearly seven years into a state consent decree intended in part to address issues with the police department’s promotions system. Between November 2023 and this April, the city has paid a consulting firm at least $430,000 to study personnel policies, including making recommendations on how to incorporate disciplinary histories into the process.
But the problems remain unaddressed by the department.
The article relies way too much on the Invisible Institute for solutions, an overly lib-tarded anti-police organization with a giant axe to grind. We wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire.
But we had a lot of discussions over the years with other cops who thought there ought to be some way that the Department could "tap the brakes" on promotions as it were - until an investigations was concluded. What we came up with years ago hasn't changed:
- if you're up for promotion by score, you can go to class with everyone else, but you don't get to walk the stage, shake the hands, or get the star/salary until the complaint is resolved. If it is resolved favorably, you get the same seniority date as your fellow promotees. If it's unfavorable, you serve your suspension time at the appropriate rank, then move forward. This would also encourage the Department to resolve these cases in a timely manner instead of dragging them out for years and years and years.
- if you're up for "meri-clout-orious" promotion, you're shit out of luck, and you wait for the next opportunity. If it's resolved in your favor, you're automatically in the next class. If it's an unfavorable finding, you're out of the process for a five or ten year period AND whoever recommended you isn't allowed to ever submit a "merit" nomination again, because they're obviously bad at it.
You want to have some fun? Get a list over the past three decades of all the promoted people who got fired or (even more fun) went to jail. Then compare how many of those promotions were by score and how many by "merit."
You'll be amazed. We used to have a list and it was a constant source of amazement.
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For open investigations I somewhat agree but for past complaints?? I don’t think it should be taken into account. Remember, a full blown mental can walk into the desk and make a complaint that an officer hid cameras and microphones in their home and plans to kidnap them and bring them to planet mars.. now by order, the complaint MUST be taken.. and it normally is. And it sucks because it stays in an officers history. I think the history of anything sustained should be considered. I agree that merit appointees need to be squeaky clean. Score is score, earned is earned. If you want merit, then you better not have 3 domestics and a DUI in your history.
Get rid of merit again like Charlie beck did.
The sergeant that just got charged with the PPP Loan scam was a merit guy…
Doesn’t matter the cheaters and merit would have their cases unfounded either way. Tests are rigged, test results are fixed. The simple fact results are exempt from FOIA tells us everything. Get yours anyway you can. Merit already got theirs.
Collect your overtime. Get ten years for the retirement star and start looking for other careers. Don’t count on promotions here.
Upper management, aka Gold Stars keep promoting their friends and idiots that make them look good. Anyone wearing a white shirt is suspect. I lost respect for 99% of all the bosses. Most are morons.
SB from #153 is probably one of the biggest predators on a job. This Dept. Is a really sad joke.
The level of competent supervisors has declined significantly in the last 20 years! Most want the promotion so they can do nothing. Most have no clue what they are doing. Sgt’s who are goofy and Lt’s who just want to hide.
Supervisors and bad policy messed the police job up! The public will pay the price and the city will continue the death spiral.
Why bother. I just answer my calls and get a pay check. Nothing more!
I’m about to retire and the promotional process gets me sick. Most of the supervisors on this job I wouldn’t give the time of day to when I retire. I’ll pretend that they are just some scum I locked up. I’ll thumb my nose at them.
I don’t think much about the bad supervisors even while working. I just use avoidance to get through my shift. Screw the place.
It’s a shame the wrong people got promoted and continued the process with their friends.
This is going to be a good thread
You have to understand the rules of the game . There are good predators ( teachers and Democrat activists ) and there are bad predators ( katlics and other religious people except Muslims, and Republicans ) once you understand the rules of the game it all makes sense.
Score just means they could've been an asshole allowed to sit quietly in the corner and study. And/or allowed to sit sit quietly and study with a select few. Either way, unless you're spending your day answering calls and make score, then you get my respect for score.
It is essential for the credibility of the department that we address these concerns about the promotion system and ensure that our promotion system is fair, unbiased, and truly reflective of individual merit and capability. With that being said we’d have to demoted 3/4 of our top brass.
Promotions should be based more on merit and performance rather than being heavily influenced by COPA and BIA investigations. I mean, perhaps if the systems were legit and had an ounce of integrity within, then I’d say okay, but we all know that the integrity of these units are questionable.
History has shown us that many outcomes are predetermined by CPD Exempt members (particularly Bureau Chiefs), who are not directly involved with the BIA and therefore display a lack of impartiality in their findings.
Additionally, the majority of BIA investigations tend to be drawn-out processes, which only add to the frustration when it is clear that decisions are often influenced by internal connections rather than a fair evaluation of the facts.
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The CWB should add a column for this very reason
We have gone full circle of clowns promoting clowns and the chickens have come home to roost
it's all legit kid..... remember, where else can you take a Lt test from your hospital room given by your "friend" wink wink
SCC, you don't want either of your suggestions for promotions. The city can slow walk your investigation for a decade if they want. You will never get promoted. The Command staff would have the test score list and crush out people they or the city don't like or aren't in the club. The promotional process would become more corrupt than it already is. The city can't and should never be trusted when it comes to promotions. The city of Shitcago wants their family and friends promoted and nobody else. Someone who has a bad enough disciplinary history could be stripped by COPA right now if they wanted to. Changes to the system are a waste of time. Now putting a quota on activity or having a box to check on the A&A's saying you worked the field to be eligible for promotion is a different. story. Illinois State Law says no to activity quotas to keep your job. That law doesn't say anything about promotions. The department has too many supervisors who have never filled out an arrest report.
You really think the top scorers on that last lieutenant’s exam actually earned their scores? One’s on COVID disability, and the other hides behind plants .
The way it's going, they might have been someone you locked up...
That should be the rule for everyone
I remember in May of 2001 they had a copper by the name of "Milk Dud".
This clown held up 150 sergeants from getting promoted because he was involved in some "incident" with a transvestite.
The goof was finally allowed to make sergeant with the rest of us on 01 June 2001.
Old Milk Dud was SLOW in many ways!
Why are these COPA investigators not being sued by the offended officers?
Maybe we could get a state lawmaker to sponsor a bill like they are doing for convicted criminals to just wipe the convictions off the convicted offenders record? If it works for convicted bad guys it should work for the police.
This is the plan!
A few thoughts, all test results and rank order should be posted for everyone to see, all merit candidates should be posted along with the interview results publicly posted, same for Captain and commander interviews (they are scoring those), merit interviews should be conducted and assessed by out of town Police bosses (that’s how I/O solutions who does most our testing does the scoring for part 2). There needs to be transparency across the board.
When it comes to discipline unless you are stripped and possibly separated should only prevent promotion.
And that’s how we got Goofy Duckhorn like number 700 on the Sgts list
How many did go to prison?
As a reasonable man I cannot agree with your assessment of “most supervisors”. 80% of the supervisors on this job are decent people overall. Merit, score or fake score, doesn’t really matter. Every group will have their 20% who are either bona fide mentals, morons, or company-men. Try to figger it out before your’s 60’s.
Who cares? News for you, Jr., you won’t give any coppers the time of day. When you retire you are forgotten and nobody cares. At the time you retire there will be a lot of congrats given, the old “we’ll get together soon” and similar b.s. You won’t see or speak to anyone other than a select few, and I mean a few. So, get a good dog, pontificate about whatever you like, and look at SCC for entertainment. Now go back to your hole until that day comes.
Don't know how I survived the job looking at all this BS. I had no issue
telling a few white shirts to F off. The best part was when they realized
they had it coming. Keep a low profile, take notes, be the one in the
room that they pay no mind to, it makes that F off very pleasant
Meritorious has to stop out of control in this department.
Meritorious hack and a loser..
What are you going to do with a retirement star.
Only sustained complaints should be takien into consideration
Hein, Snelling and Eddie Johnson were/are the biggest of them all.
The problem that I see with denying promotions because of outstanding investigations is the fact that this department, this city administration loves to file complaints and take complaints from anyone and everyone, to include unnamed individuals. If it a serious criminal accusation, then suspend the promotion until resolved by criminal charges, not by some ahole civilian at COPA. The same goes for withholding retired credentials for any accusations other than criminal. A cop who spends his life with the department should always get his retired star absent a serious criminal allegation.
Did Lt. Ritchie Scotchbreath score high on the exam or was he a merit pick?
Of all the supervisors I've had, I can only name 1 who was a bad person. Yes, there were a few fools and dummies along the way, but incompetent people are easy to deal with, the truly vindictive evil ones are much harder.
Retired star? Retired 12 years ago, when did they start handing those out?
And what is the purpose of it?
its DEI on steroids
As far as rank order postings. We can. The unions get a copy of the rank order list, and they can post it. That’s how Cfd does it…
So what you are saying is you’d rather have someone merit that was over 700 on the Sgt’s list. Makes sense.
Whoa whoa whoa. Let's get rid of merit and especially let's ban that "Dr" Bernstein. He is my competition and it's not fair he gets to share in some of the promotions......my students excel at memorization especially the answers.....I mean the material.....oops. I've said too much. Let all my future supervisors know my class is the one who cheats....I mean succeeds......
Hugs & kisses.
Professor Pattie
Xoxoxo
Honor Roll
Dillon sisters
M. Vanek
N. Duckhorn
T. Hawkins
Schnoor Family
Holtcamp / Chiechewski Family
J Vizinni
I have more names I just have to go at the moment.......
Toodles for now....
What are you going to do with a retirement star.
Carry a firearm without ccl
Good man....stay away, don't go down on the paper just show up to help and leave when the scene is secure..forget the glory ....avoid supervisors, mingle with the good citizens and have a good time.....
Yes! I initiated zero contact with ANYONE during my last 10 years on the job. It was a zen like cruise to 55 and the Land of Critical Mass.
Yeah, okay.
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