More traffic stop news
From the latest issue of Street Survival, an electronic newsletter by Caliber Press:
News from Illinois and Texas worthy of discussion
Law enforcement officers across the country should make note of some news from Illinois and Texas worthy of discussion and debate. [ ... ]
First, Chicago police officers may lose their discretion on how to handle a traffic stop if local elected officials adopt a proposed ordinance that would dictate their behavior. And if they don't follow the ordinance, they could be subject to a minimum $100 fine as well as possible discipline from the department. City officials are considering the ordinance following the July 13th traffic stop of a state senator who claimed he was racially profiled by a Chicago police officer.
Proponents say the "code of conduct" is designed to protect motorists as well as help police by requiring motorists to stay in their vehicles during stops. The ordinance would require officers to "approach the motorist in a cautious, safety-minded manner" and "politely inform the driver of the reason and purpose of the traffic stop," addressing the driver by name and "appropriate title" (Mr., Ms.) after examining the driver's license. In turn, motorists are required to pull over immediately, provide proper identification, keep hands visible and stay in their cars. Violators, including police officers, would be subject to a $100 minimum fine.
A spokesman for police administration told The Chicago Tribune, that the department "welcomes any conversations in our efforts to augment public education about how to conduct yourself during a traffic stop. We are open to looking at any way we can augment current efforts to train officers on how to conduct traffic stops professionally."
Does anyone have some "conversations " on how to conduct yourself during a traffic stop??
News from Illinois and Texas worthy of discussion
Law enforcement officers across the country should make note of some news from Illinois and Texas worthy of discussion and debate. [ ... ]
First, Chicago police officers may lose their discretion on how to handle a traffic stop if local elected officials adopt a proposed ordinance that would dictate their behavior. And if they don't follow the ordinance, they could be subject to a minimum $100 fine as well as possible discipline from the department. City officials are considering the ordinance following the July 13th traffic stop of a state senator who claimed he was racially profiled by a Chicago police officer.
Proponents say the "code of conduct" is designed to protect motorists as well as help police by requiring motorists to stay in their vehicles during stops. The ordinance would require officers to "approach the motorist in a cautious, safety-minded manner" and "politely inform the driver of the reason and purpose of the traffic stop," addressing the driver by name and "appropriate title" (Mr., Ms.) after examining the driver's license. In turn, motorists are required to pull over immediately, provide proper identification, keep hands visible and stay in their cars. Violators, including police officers, would be subject to a $100 minimum fine.
A spokesman for police administration told The Chicago Tribune, that the department "welcomes any conversations in our efforts to augment public education about how to conduct yourself during a traffic stop. We are open to looking at any way we can augment current efforts to train officers on how to conduct traffic stops professionally."
Does anyone have some "conversations " on how to conduct yourself during a traffic stop??
posted by SCC at 4:56 PM
11 Comments:
Why train the officers when you can be much more effective training the citizenry!
Perhaps take the money that you will spend on overtraining our officers, who merely respond to the situation presented by the citizen who was stopped, and use it to ensure that citizens are aware of their legislated duty to obey the officers instructions regardless of the fact that they may or may not know of their obligation and whether or not they believe they are at fault. I think this would be money well spent.
If this comes to pass, however, get it off of just channel 23/49 and get it on all local channels. In addition, it would be most beneficial to all parties if the City of Chicago and Secretary of State sent reminders along with the City Sticker Applications and State License (and Plate) renewals regarding a new Citizens Code of Conduct for Traffic and Street Stops.
Perhaps the state senator can use his additional minutes of fame to promote this fact and remember that it is the officer who is in charge of the traffic stop rather than the citizen (read Illinois Compiled Statutes). I'm sure that the additional attention brought to this fact could end up saving a citizen's or an officer's life down the road.
Training Aid??? Video
Please reply and offer constructive suggestions or criticisms to:
Citizen's Code of Conduct
Officer's Code of Conduct
Video
While I've seen it before, your link to the Chris Rock audio/video entitled "How NOT To Get Your Ass Kicked" is not only hysterically funny...it's TRUE.
Crime Watch needs that video
thats the video that the copper got fired over because he had it on his computer in his squad car.
Has this city turned into bizaro world!!! Now they want to fine officers? Who the freak is going to investigate this stuff……IAD, OPS?
So let me get this straight, some a-hole you just gave a ticket to for blowing the red light and has no insurance is all mad cause he has to go to court, so he is going to call and say you didn't smile and say have a nice day to him, so you get a 100 dollar fine via police mail? Or how about this after your traffic court testimony the driver is found guilty, but its not over because now he testifies against you for not saying have a nice day and your found guilt too. If anything remotely like this ever happens I will never make another traffic stop ever again. What’s next asa's denying charges after you get punched in the face by an offender, oh wait that happens everyday.
I have an idea, how about police and fire appreciation day as a bizaro world holiday. On that day all the city's police and firemen are off. So the overly abused, racially profiled, beaten up, locked up for no reason, have a day of peace and quiet. Just think how much money it would save the city and after that holiday just think of all the new jobs that would be created rebuilding the city . The mayor could hire all his buddies to drive all those dump trucks filled with rubble right to miggs field. And maybe when there rebuilding they could put up bizaro world block club signs all over the city that said: "no ball playing, no noise, and officers must smile and say have a nice day to the 10 drug dealers on the corner or face a 100 dollar fine or a punch in the face"
On the news last night there was a spot on the city hall hearings. meeks was asked why he got out of the car, his reply, "there is no law that says I can't. Ald. Fredrenna Lyle told meeks that each and every traffic stop is different and there is no way to legislate how an officer should act, these stops are when our officers are most vulnerable. I was shocked to hear that from her.....I don't think this is the done deal that the newspapers are making it out to be.
exactly!! he got out of the car with the intent to mother f the cop that dares to pull him over. Instead he was put in his place with a gun in his face.
Traffic Stops:
When I was a kid in 1971, PO Anthony Raymond, Hillside PD, makes a traffic stop, gets kidnapped and tortured. His body was found in a 55 gallon drum in Wisconsin.
Three Paxton Il coppers were killed on a trafic stop on I55.
I think we had a dozen guys shot on traffic stops in the sixties, seventies and early eighties.
I remember as a kid praying for all the policemen to come home safe from the urban jungle.
Remember 111th and Halsted. Roger Van Shack and Billy Bosak.
Remember Cook County Sheriff Mike Ridges, two family members on our job. Traffic stop in unincorporated Palestine.
Remeber, 81rst and Calumet, Billy Fahey and James O'Brien,
Rember 99th and Parnell. John Knight.
There are many more I cant remember all the tragic details.
All dead because of traffic stops.
Heroes taken before their time, may they sit in heaven with St. Peter in peace.
Were is my FOP? If we forget those who made the ultimate sacrifice what kind of men are we.
If we had a union, we would embarass Meeks with protests in front of his bull shit church and political office. It we had a union to show our displeasure with the Mayor, no one would write a mover unless it involves reckless homicide, personal injury etc.
Were is my union?
Why is it that the police unions in Boston, New York , Philly and LA have real power. To get even with Meeks I would write every Budweiser beer truck in this city.
(Jackson brothers)
Meeks church could be shut down by picketing in front of same stopping union deliveries.
I would love to create a traffic diversion with a protest by his
Church of whats happening now,
Yes sir, HUH, AAright. Yes SIR. thats rite, AMEN. (poor God)
I wish I could use vulgarities here to describe my hate for Daily, Meeks and Jackson.
Were is the Sgt. Union?
The sgts union is all merit now, why arent they defending the poor Sgt? That man today tomorrow you or me my brothers.
Will this Sergeant be the next John Burge?
I wish I could have shown up on the scene to throw Meeks on the ground at gun point, a west side stop flat on his stomach.
If we had balls we should run a commercial just for one day showing the faces of the great policemen that gave the ultimate sacrifice for this job making stops. We have to get public opinion back on our side, I wish I could hide a camera at the medical section on a Monday morning when the walking wounded walk in after a weekend dealing with the mutts of this city.
We were once the greatest police department in the world. We should not sit by and let this Sergeant become a sacrificial lamb to the Daily administration to appease the minority vote.
We have to get Ramsey fired in DC, and beg him to come back and run against Daily. If not him Paul Vallas or Miriam Santos.
WE MUST REVOLT, were is my UNION,
Is Sgt. Cosgrove on furlough?
Get some testicles COS.
I hear were going to get rid of the bag pipers. We dont need them since our CPD song should be
WE SHALL OVERCOME.
Next time, tell us how you REALLY feel!
God bless you, Officer!
that sergeant did nothing wrong. He used profanity to make his point after all other avenues failed and before tasing or shooting Meeks, I think he is a hero.
Sometimes the appropriate use of profanity is in order to emphasize a point. It is usually better than firing a shot into the sky, and usually a lot less paperwork.
I know there were several shootings on that block in the week previous to the incident, as well as numerous shots fired calls etc... the sergeant had ample reason to feel threatened even without Meeks bodyguards (thugs?) coming to "back him up". If I was standing there with no backup and a bunch of Meeks "boys" were coming up behind me, I would be swearing, cursing and pointing my weapon at all of em... they only got what they deserved, in fact they are out on the street talking to the media, so they didn't get what they deserve!!! Too bad.
I hope the sgt. comes out well at the other end of this ordeal.
As a policeman in this shit city I propose that POs dont write tickets or stop anyone, see what the city does then.....
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