Tuesday, August 23, 2005

Police shooting

39th and Giles. Looks like an off duty copper in barber shop lit up a stick up man. Details still trickling in.

UPDATE: Bad guy wounded. Seems the copper was getting a haircut and goof tried to stick up the joint. Copper identified himself and drilled the asshole. Copper and everyone else OK. Sounds like a good shoot all around.

UPDATE II: Here is the Tribune story. Frank and Fran are still trying to work in some racial profiling angle for tomorrow's slum-times.
UPDATE III: Guess Frank and Fran couldn't find the racial profiling angle. They passed it to Sweeney.


Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lets hope that the officer and everyone else is ok, except the bad guy.

8/23/2005 10:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

cooper is okay...I think the bad guy was winged...

8/23/2005 10:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Did he shoot him with the cape on like clint eastwood did?

8/23/2005 11:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

He should qualify for America's Dumbest Criminal. Who robs a barber shop when it firsts opens? In my day, no barber got robbed til dusk.

8/23/2005 11:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Same thing happened about 15 years ago at 59th and Kedzie. The off-duty P/O was on his way home from duty, and if my memory serves me correctly, may have had uniform on under the barber's cape.

8/23/2005 12:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Crimefile said...

It's the old gun under the barber's wrap trick! I think I saw that in one or two cowboy flick!

Darwin wins another one!

8/23/2005 12:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm sure that the robber must have a defense based upon the officer deliberately hiding his identity under the barber's cape. Sounds like entrapment to me!

8/23/2005 12:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes, I agree. I bet Rev Meeks demanded that the Barber skip everyone in line...since he's such an important state senator. Little did he know that the robber would've shot him in his fat head if need be. Peace on earth

8/23/2005 01:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I bet that the police responded to the barber shop for a hostage situation. And decided that Rev Meeks isn't worth losing a CPD'S life over...and walked away.

8/23/2005 01:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

do you think Cline will give this guy an award.

8/23/2005 01:36:00 PM  
Blogger SweetBabyRay said...

Meek's driver plead guilty to all four traffic tickets in court today. Meeks didn't even send his driver a lawyer to fight the tickets. His driver could not prove that he had insurance and subsequently plead guilty...even though the judge offered to continue the case.

His driver admitted that Meeks ordered him to go around the Sgt at the intersection after the Sgt was stopped for a whole 4 seconds. What a joke!!

Meeks should not only have been arrested but also have been searched for heroin..as his fellow pastors have been arrested for. Rev Meeks and Jakes and Jesse in 08!!!

8/23/2005 01:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kline will probably give the copper an award after he asks the very Rev. Meeks if its OK

8/23/2005 01:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The copper was on a massage table. He was getting a bikini wax done as well as his legs being hair waxed off.

The bad guy didnt think it was a gun under the towel covering his genitals.... but it was...

Great shot... as well as a good shooting also.

P.O. Shaver Loncock

8/23/2005 02:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

all the revs. showed up and had a meeting last night...chairman of police/fire committee introduces ordinance to tell police how to conduct a traffic stop...oh, and he'll have hearings regarding racial profiling...traffic stop stats shows african americans stopped at higher rate than their percentage of society.

what about comparing it to the rate at which the victims report that the offender is of that race? maybe you'll see some similiarities then.

or...what about the amount of police service that is dedicated to those areas?

when cars are being stripped from other districts to be sent there and every unit of the dept is focused there of course you'll have more stops...gimme a break already.

another fancy tidbit...parkers written by cpd down about 15%. tv reported that # written down from 1.15 mil to 1 mil through same time last year. revenue the same due to fine increase.

8/23/2005 03:54:00 PM  
Blogger Denzel ranger washinton said...

does the copper get free hair cuts now?

8/23/2005 05:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No matter. If not, I'll pay for him to get $10.00 haircuts every 30 days for the next year or two, and I think it would be a fun game if people took care of him that way for the rest of his life.

If for no other reason than the excellent mental imagery he has given us in his heroics today.

8/23/2005 06:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can someone tell me why and who sanctioned the second highest ranking officier to speak on our behalf on GCI? I mean as much as I love WGCI I don't listen. Why did they choose Dana for that role????????????????????????????

8/23/2005 07:02:00 PM  
Blogger 1096 said...

I was just wondering if rev meeks had any comments on african americans being victims and Offenders of homicides in much greater numbers than there percentage of the population.( our citys favorite stat that you dont hear about now that we arent going down anymore)

8/23/2005 08:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Reverend Meeks and the City Council are working on a code of conduct for all barbers, beauticians, and would-be armed robbers. Going forward, barbers will be required to use clear plastic capes when cutting the hair of off-duty officers so as to avoid any misunderstandings among armed robbers as to when it is safe to proceed with their robbery.

As a society, we can no longer tolerate police having an unfair advantage over barbershop robbers stemming from the use of cloth barbershop capes.

A prayer Meeks should share with his congregation: God bless and watch over the police and their loved ones and forgive those who sacrifice the guardians of society on the alter of public opinion for political gain... Amen.

8/23/2005 08:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


They played with the numbers.

They changed the Agg Batts from either being shot at or hit to JUST ONES THAT ARE ACTUALLY SHOT

Thats why Agg batteries went down.

As for homicides... They are making many justifiable when mookie shoots mookie and both are armed or the offender claims the other was armed with no proof.

The REAL reason its up now is that you can only FUDGE the numbers so long till they have to start picking back up!

Tell me... you really think crime decreased in the last few years.

I know it hasn't

Its just the black supt.s never wanted to play the numbers game they were more worried about cash envelopes and stealing.

8/23/2005 08:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dont for get the ones that died in taht fire at 69 West Washington / County Building.

M.E. ruled homicide by arson which would of raise the murder toll to 604 instead of 599.

But the city wouldnt accept their ruling because they couldn't claim the below 600 homicide total.

Fucking liars, thats all they are.
Smoke and mirrors...

8/23/2005 08:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Was the male copper really getting a bikini wax and legs waxed? When the robbery was announced.

Wow that is too funny.

8/23/2005 08:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Phillip J. Cline may bullshit the public with the false stats and fudged numbers. The the cops in the inner city know the truth!

As for racial profiling....

When over 90 percent of the most violent crimes are committed by minorities in this city....
The stats should reflect a 90 percent higher rate for them.

Funny how they want to be counted as a community when its good for them and getting jobs... but not let the public know what they are actually committing

8/23/2005 08:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

and alone those lines, and to show an example of where its being done right...

NYC's just keep on declining even after more than 10 years of declines...


New York Post via Yahoo

2.5 times the population of Chicago, and on-track to have less homicides than Chicago (again).

NYC is down from 2000 or so at the peak, and it stands in stark contrast to Chicago in terms of population. Chicago losing population, NYC gaining or holding steady once again.

If Chicago stays on this track, its just going to be drug dealers, drug users, murderers, welfare recipients, ghost payrollers, the Daleys/Joyces/Mells/Jacksons and other core democratic constituencies. And the Police.

Who here would live in Chicago if they could live in the suburbs?

8/23/2005 08:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Now, now , now don't paint New York in such glowing terms. They too play with the numbers, we went there to learn how to play games with numbers, thats why the homicide clearance caluculation was changed to instantly boost kleins clearance rate 25%. If NY did it leg. they would have had 3000+ more homicides the year of Sept 11. They lie better than we do but we're getting better.

8/23/2005 10:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You bet your ass that we lie about the stats. Kline learned to play games with crimes stats from one of the best around his good friend Bill Hanhart, who was there when Pam Zekeman did her story on "killing crime". Oops we shouldn't mention Hanhart, do you think that Kline still breaks bread with him once a week.

8/23/2005 11:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

well whoever we sent there for school the first time better go back for summer school then.

Even if we are both playing with the numbers, New York's homicide rate is now 40% of Chicago's, where they were both once essentially equal (rate = per capita). So do the politicians and brass in the City of Chicago get an "F" in health class for having 300+ too many homicides per year, of an "F" in math class for not knowing how to subtract 300+ deaths from the sheets the way they would in New York City!

Thats a lot of bodies to bury. You think the liberal media can't figure out where NYC is burying the 750 extra bodies it would have this year if it weren't being run any better than Chicago(e.g., if it were Chicago)? The liberal media would use any reason they could to get rid of a red mayor in a blue town. But nope, not even the liberal media can find that story. Not even the New York Times or CBS!

and if you believe Chicago wasn't playing with numbers (and stories) before Giuliani was even born, I've got a bridge in, er, a Captain's spot in the State's Attorney's office to sell ya! Interested?

8/23/2005 11:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Now that I've read all this bullshit ,My clear up rate will go up since you all think were hiding crime the bosses shouldn't care ethier. Don't speak on things you don't know shit about.

8/24/2005 01:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is how New York dropped their murder rate.

New York no longer declares it a homicide until either a named offender is known or arrested. Until then it is deemed UNDETERMINED.

Thats the real secret.

If you dot believe me, call NYPD and ask them.

8/24/2005 01:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

All I know is that I am asking for a private room for my next bikini waxing!

Play it safe......

P.O. Shaver Longcock

8/24/2005 01:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

BRAVO! However shooting at someone once upon a time ago was an AGG BATT but has changed to AGG ASSAULT

8/24/2005 01:16:00 AM  
Anonymous StormTrooper said...

Anonymous 8:39pm,
Do you have your head up your ass. First, being shot at has been an Agg Assault for some time now. Second, regardless of whether a Homicide is cleared Justifiable it is still a Homicide and goes on the count. Does fuck go to the joint, probably not but if the Dets who are working the case want to go that way then shame on them

8/24/2005 02:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I can't remember shots fired at someone being an aggv. battery (with no in custody) ever. When someone is arrested it usually is made an aggravated discharge.

Still waitin' for someone to provide an RD# (or even a location, date)of a death investigation that thought should be a homicide.

Finally, doesn't an ASA have to rule it a justifible homicide?

8/24/2005 04:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Neo said...

NYC went from 2200+ homicides a year to about 850 the first year they implemented their new counting strategy. There is no statistical probability that a city of 8 million people did that thru Bratton's "Broken Window" strategy. They killed crime by counting it differently. Otherwise, the would have closed a bunch of the morgues and laid off coroners. That didn't happen. That would have made the news.

And the trick they used to shed the 9/11 numbers was calling them "casualties of war," a category that never existed before then.

Remember, there are lies, there are damn lies and then there are statistics.

8/24/2005 05:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I can't remember shots fired at someone being an aggv. battery (with no in custody) ever."

It was for case reporting purposes until about (guessing here) 3 or 4 years ago. It changed around the same time home invasions, which used to be reported as robberies, were changed to burglary as the primary classification.

8/24/2005 07:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The following statement just begs to be addressed:

>>NYC went from 2200+ homicides a year to about 850 the first year they implemented their new counting strategy. There is no statistical probability that a city of 8 million people did that thru Bratton's "Broken Window" strategy. They killed crime by counting it differently. Otherwise, the would have closed a bunch of the morgues and laid off coroners. That didn't happen. That would have made the news....

Remember, there are lies, there are damn lies and then there are statistics. <<

NYC never went from 2000 homicides to 850 homicides in a single year.

According to the information in the following chart, it went from 2245 in 1990 to 2154 in 1991.

So yes, there are lies, damn lies and statistics. And then there are people who just make shit up in the finest of traditions which we have been taught.

8/24/2005 08:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oops, sorry.

The chart is:


8/24/2005 08:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think stormtrooper has his head up Kleins ass. Justifiables are not counted in the homicides count, no matter how its recorded on a case report.

8/24/2005 08:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The ASA, are you crazy. They can do what they want. We justify our own investigations. The ASA's are what Frank and Fran should write about. Then you could have liars speaking to liars.

8/24/2005 08:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

as recent as about 4 yrs ago, if a person was shot at (not hit) it was classified as an aggravated battery for case reporting purposes, and that is where these stats are derived from. that has been changed to aggravated assault. of course you'd never get charges approved but their stats are compiled from the case reports, which now classify this as an aggravated assault.

8/24/2005 10:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This change in reporting now allows Chicago to count their stats the same way as the rest of the country. Sorry, but it is the truth.

8/24/2005 01:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Along the lines of the change in reporting, this is the way that the OE(now with an M)C's call classifications were created, and this is the way people were trained there.

Its also based on the common (and I suspect almost universally the statutory) law definition of "assault" versus the common (and I suspect almost universally the statutory) law definition of "battery". The old way of classifying people who were shot at but uninjured (not even incidentally like when they jumped under a car and scraped their knee) seemed contrary to the very definition of "battery".

Nevertheless, I still recall how the old (perhaps still used) UCR of "041A" or was it "041B" was used as a classification for both those who needed to have a hole plugged and those who merely needed a change of diapers.

So yes, if they changed it, it would seem to be in line with conventional usage of the terms (and I suspect the way the rest of the country was defining agg batts and agg assaults).

Which is to say, I agree with the immediately prior post.

8/24/2005 03:09:00 PM  

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