Sunday, October 30, 2005

More "Peaceful" Overtures

In it's never ending quest to be recognized as "The Religion of Peace," the followers of muhammed put forward the following arguments this weekend (all stories via LittleGreenFootballs):
  • Three christian girls, all about 16 years old, were beheaded in Indonesia. The BBC reports all three were on their way to class and the heads were found some distance away, one near the front steps of a church.
  • Saudi Arabia prepares to execute a 14 year old boy for a crime committed when he was 13, and in spite of the fact that the Saudi's are signatories to a treaty prohibiting the execution of persons under the age of 18
  • Three bombs rip through holiday crowds in New Delhi prior to the biggest Hindu and Muslim festivals. The United States issued travel warnings to its citizens a week ago of potential attacks in India and Indian authorities were in pursuit of a known al-qaeda terrorist. Coordinated, timed attacks are a hallmark of al-qaeda.
  • And for the third straight night, muslim riots in France over the deaths of two muslim teens who fled police by climbing the wall of a electrical relay station and were electrocuted. Upwards of 50 cars were torched over the three days and 23 officers injured. How come the mainstream media isn't reporting this?
  • The Prince of Wales will try to persuade George W Bush and Americans of the merits of Islam this week because he thinks the United States has been too intolerant of the religion since September 11. The Prince, who leaves on Tuesday for an eight-day tour of the US, has voiced private concerns over America's "confrontational" approach to Muslim countries and its failure to appreciate Islam's strengths.

Pardon us your royalness, but we really don't see the ability to attack, kill and behead school girls, execute minor children, blow up families out shopping for the holidays and rioting continuously over two thugs fleeing police as "strengths." And at one time, neither did your country. Back when you ran India, it seems a British Officer came across a scene of "suttee." "Suttee" was the hindu traditional practice of cremating the widow upon the funeral pyre of her dead husband, alive. The British officer said that it was English custom to hang the chaps that did that sort of thing and the practice ceased (story via Mark Steyn).

Nowadays? This year, an English city council banned Piglet (from Winnie the Pooh) because a talking pig was deemed offensive to muslims (see coverage here, here, here). And were supposed to be less confrontational? Sorry, but no. We expect whomever forwarded the post about the two-year-old finding the gun and shooting the four-year-old to do same with this post and again accuse us of "racism." Perhaps this time, we'll get 2,000 visitors out of it?

36 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

One question and one quibble.

Are you saying its wrong to execute minors? I'm completely opposed, but since you brought it up....
If the upstanding members of the CPD can agree, perhaps someone can lobby, er, Michigan, Virginia and Texas to let them know we think they are barbarians?

I read the thing about France in the mainstream press (maybe Yahoo New?) yesterday. Funniest thing was reading a French police union official saying the military should be brought in, because the police weren't equipped to fight the war they are in.

Then a RIOT police union official (apparently there are different unions for riot police and regular police) said, nahhh, we can take em.

And then the Mayor of the public housing town where all this took place said, "tonight my brave rioters, we have showed the rest of France that we will not submit to the bootheel of the oppressors... these projects are ours!".

10/30/2005 10:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hindus are not muslims....

10/30/2005 11:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Little Black Sambo, Piglet, or Sulu coming "out" ... we all must protect our own agendas; when it comes right down to the nitty gritty of life, who really cares?

It's Rudyard Kipling that scares me. How can the Brits deny his correctness? How can we?

Can we stand to hear the truth we've spoken twisted by knaves to make traps for fools? (sorry R.K.)

10/30/2005 11:17:00 AM  
Anonymous leftisthebest said...

Hey M!,

YOUR president would not be happy with your comendation of the Brits and Saudia Arabia. He says they are among our biggest supporters.

More terrorists hid and were trained in Saudia Arabia before 9/11 than in Iraq. Why didn't we go after the Saudias? Oh yea, that's where is the money.

10/30/2005 11:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Bears are on guys....

10/30/2005 12:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

France should start beheading 14 year olds. Doubt the roits would continue.

10/30/2005 12:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Britain has a huge muslim population. They are poor. They are the underclass. And they are violant. Prince Charles is just covering his ass. Yes, no one likes a appeaser, but ou got to do what you go to do. He's just trying to put a happy face on it.

10/30/2005 12:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey did you see the new C.T.A. train cars. They look awesome. Lets talk about more stupid things!

10/30/2005 02:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hindu's were victims. What are you getting at?

10/30/2005 02:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To commentator #1; US Supreme Court has already tossed out the death sentences for minors. If you were 17 or less when you were sentenced to death, sentence was tossed out a few years ago. 18 was set as the lower limit of eligible persons

10/30/2005 02:24:00 PM  
Blogger Fenian28 said...

Yeah England really has room to lecture us on being tolerant of Islam. It has suited them so well, the pacifist role. There certainly haven't been any Islamic militants blowing up everything in site over there!!

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

10/30/2005 04:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yet we screwed Milosevic when he tried to reclaim a region of his nation from this filth.

10/30/2005 05:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Prince Charlie loves the Muslims. After all one was tagging his old lady and then helped to erase that embarrassing blonde problem from his life.

10/30/2005 05:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm sorry, but whoever just stated or implied that Milosevic was in the right can go straight to hell. I'm a Catholic Republican, but mine own eyes witnessed nightly news broadcasts of women and children being gunned down by snipers in the streets of Sarajevo.

While I have some serious questions about the wisdom of helping out with what happened in Kosovo (in response to armed provocations by the Kosovo liberation army), Milosevic and thousands of others in his crew are savages who deserve death for what they inflicted on Sarajevo.

There is no religious justification for what happened in Sarajevo, and none should ever be tolerated lest it happen to our people one day. In short, wrong is wrong, and yes, Muslims can sometimes be victims.

10/30/2005 06:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Yet we screwed Milosevic when he tried to reclaim a region of his nation from this filth.

10/30/2005 05:20:12 PM

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THANK YOU!!!!

10/30/2005 10:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I'm sorry, but whoever just stated or implied that Milosevic was in the right can go straight to hell. I'm a Catholic Republican, but mine own eyes witnessed nightly news broadcasts of women and children being gunned down by snipers in the streets of Sarajevo.

* Your first problem is that you believe what was on the nighty "news". Of all the accusations levelled against Slobo regarding his Albanian problem NONE OF THEM WERE EVER PROVEN TRUE. NONE.

The Albanians and thier KLA were terrorists trained by Al Quedia. They staged killings in the village of Racak by placing civialian dress on their seperatist soldiers then claimed foul to the over eager UN "inspectors".

No mass graves were found, because there were none. Slobo was fighting a civil was against illegal alien seperatists.

Do some independant reading and you will be surprised what you missed on the nightly news.

BTW, Slobo, acting as his own council at the Hauge is destroying the persecutions case.


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While I have some serious questions about the wisdom of helping out with what happened in Kosovo (in response to armed provocations by the Kosovo liberation army), Milosevic and thousands of others in his crew are savages who deserve death for what they inflicted on Sarajevo.

* There are two sides to the story, which the news sometimes does not cover. Bosnian Muslims (Serbs that converted to Islam when the Ottoman empire faught their way to Austira) performed just as many attrocities as did the Christians.

There is no religious justification for what happened in Sarajevo, and none should ever be tolerated lest it happen to our people one day. In short, wrong is wrong, and yes, Muslims can sometimes be victims.

* You are kidding right? It was all about religion. The real name of the area the Serbs and Albs faught over in 1998 is acalled Kosovo i Metohia. 'Metohia' denotes 'church-owned land'. these people HATE each other. This blog isnt big enought to detail the history of their hate, but if it wasnt about hate why would the Muslims in Kosovo be doing this:

http://www.rastko.org.yu/kosovo/crucified/default.htm#_catalog

Go ahead. Look at this catalog of mideval CHRISTIAN churches and monataries destroyed by KLA after the Serb army left Kosovo. The Albs were given free reign and what did they do ? They destroyed CHRISTIAN churches. Some date to 900 A.D.! Many from the 1100's. This is your history. Ruined. Leveled. Destroyed.

The Serbs faught and died to keep Europe Christian 400 years before the US was founded. And this is how we repay them.....

Turn off the TV, and read some history.

10/30/2005 11:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You seem transixed on discussing Kosovo while denying what happened in Bosnia-Herz.... That doesn't fly whatsoever, and I ironically seem to agree with you that the Kosovo/KLA thing was at the very least questionable on our part.

But there is NO WAY in hell you can justify what happened in Sarajevo, or Srebenica, or dozens of other places. You say the Bosnian Muslims were just as bad? I don't recall ANY allegation that the Bosnian Muslims ringed a city with artillery and blasted it randomly. I certainly never saw footage of Orthodox women getting shot down in the streets or blasted by Muslim artillery.

I don't have a dog in this fight, but if you are seriously denying what happened in Bosnia, I'd put 99 to 1 odds that you do.

About the biggest critisism that could be levelled at the Muslims in Bosnia (as a generalization) is that Jihadists were among the citizens of the world that took up arms in their cause. In retrospect, I think a lot of Americans regret that they watched Sarajevo happen and didn't lift a finger in protest.

I know that in many mainstream Right circles, its a staple criticism of Bubba.

Which is sorta funny, as the Kosovo intervention is also a staple criticism of Bubba.

Which is to say, two different situations, but there is no way you, me or anybody else should even try to justify shooting women and children in the streets. Its really the sort of tangled logic I'm used to hearing from Zarqawi and bin Laden.

10/30/2005 11:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Slobo was just doing what every European country and the US will be forced to do in the future.I posrted the first statement about Milosevic,and I certainly don't have "a dog in the fight"in that country.I just think it was a shitty way to treat the Serbs who have been the US's allies thru 2 world wars and even the cold war.We ethnically cleansed Kosovo of Serbian Christians on the behalf of demon worshipping terrorists.Slick Willie,the moral degenerate that he is,sided with islamic extremist terrorists in that one.Almost as nauseating as Dubyas romantic handholding walks in the gardens with Saudi royalty.

10/31/2005 06:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And for the Catholic Republican that damned me"straight to hell"for my opinions.....think there'll be much room left for me after all the bloodthirsty, primative Mohammedeans and their lackeys are accounted for?

10/31/2005 06:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Those people are basically (not entirely, but basically) non-existent in Bosnia. Sarajevo was a beautiful, peaceful and multi-ethnic city for a loooon time before some Serbs decided to ethnically cleanse it by bombarding it with artillery and mortars, and by placing snipers to shoot anyone (ANYONE) in the Muslim areas.

And did you just defend the Serbs because they were on our side in two world wars? Sorry, but I was born sometime after 1945, and my vision of the Serbs was of Tito. Guess which side of WWIII he was on? That goes for all those countries.

Remember when Kosovo started? The Russians were so pissed off at the international intervention against their Slavic brothers that they sent an armored column straight to Kosovo as soon as they could, in a race to beat the Americans and Brits to certain parts.

Don't get me wrong. We should have let them have Kosovo, as the Albanians deserved a Slavic occupation if, for no other reason, than for tolerating the KLA terrorists in their midst.

But as for the "primative" savages, there is only one side to the Bosnian conflict that qualifies for this label. And its anybody, ANYBODY, who shoots civilians in the streets in order to instill terror.

Cite to me all you will about what happened to Churches over the last 400 years. If we didn't forgive our historical enemies, I'd be punching every person I met of the following ethnicities: Japanese, German, British, Canadian, French, Eastern European, Arabic/Persian, North Korean, Chinese, Serbian, Polish, American Indian, Irish and a dozen other ethnicities and backgrounds. For my Catholic part, I'd be out hunting Protestants for that damn 100 years war, or was it the Inquisition? Somehow I restrain myself. Somehow, somebody declared a truce, or a cease fire, and these ancient conflicts were halted. Heck, somehow some of these mutts married into my pure bloodline!

Off with my head! Just think of the burnt (lower lip trembling) ch, ch, ch, churches.

Sorry, I'm not fighting the wars of my savage ancestors. I'll judge people today by what they do today. Moral relativism and bigotry are Democratic traits, and I'll have none of it.

Sorry for the incivility last night. I'm looking forward to the day that Milo (and Blago) are sitting behind bars.

If there is nothing else we agree upon, it would be that its time to start shooting adult male Saudis by the pound, and Dubya is a disgrace for coddling them.

10/31/2005 07:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Enough of this foreign shit, I come to this site to read about how this job sucks, and how everyone but me is a jack-off, and all bosses got their spot because of clout, and FOP they suck too, and Yada Yada Yada.

11/01/2005 03:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"You say the Bosnian Muslims were just as bad? I don't recall ANY allegation that the Bosnian Muslims ringed a city with artillery and blasted it randomly. I certainly never saw footage of Orthodox women getting shot down in the streets or blasted by Muslim artillery."

Hey 11:42, You shouldn't discuss anything you have no knowledge of. Just because you saw it on television doesn't make it true...I am sure you haven't heard of the Krajina and Herzegovina. And they were cleansed and slaughtered with U.S. assistance....

11/01/2005 08:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No knowledge of? You are so full of shit that its coming out of your mouth and ears. I mention Bosnia-Herz, and you start ranting about Kosovo.

You have not said one thing to back your point w/r/t Bosnia except ignorant comments about destroyed churches in, uhm, Kosovo.

Its you who shouldn't believe whatever they are telling you at family parties. If you have any evidence that your heroes didn't shoot women and children in the streets, bring it out.

Til then, you are an apologist for war criminals. I'm sure you are convinced you have the mindset for being the po-lice. Anywhere but Chicago they wouldn't hire someone so ignorant.

11/01/2005 08:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

03:35 is right, get back to the CPD ballbusting, it's alot more entertaining!

11/01/2005 06:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"You have not said one thing to back your point w/r/t Bosnia except ignorant comments about destroyed churches in, uhm, Kosovo."

No one is saying what the Serbs did was ok, but you need to take a geography lesson. Oh, and a history lesson as well...The Krajina is on the border of Croatia and Bosnia-Herzegovina (BTW, Herzegovina is not in Kosovo either)

11/01/2005 08:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

>>No one is saying what the Serbs did was ok, but you need to take a geography lesson.<<

You should take some reading lessons. Someone (maybe YOU) posted this:

>>Yet we screwed Milosevic when he tried to reclaim a region of his nation from this filth.<<

E.O.M.

11/01/2005 10:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No, it wasn't me who wrote that, but since we're on the subject of reading lessons, and since you wanted information about atrocities against Serbs during the BiH war, then you should do some reading yourself. No one is defending what the Serbs did, but atrocities were done by Croats, Bosniaks and Serbs. I'm just remaining objective about it...

11/02/2005 08:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

>>No, it wasn't me who wrote that... you should do some reading yourself.... [n]o one is defending what the Serbs did<<

Are you speaking for everyone, like when you say "No one," or are you just speaking for yourself, like when you say "it wasn't me".

Because "it wasn't me" I can buy. But I just reproduced a quote that is IN THIS THREAD, and which defends Milosevic for what the Serbs did. So feel free to speak for yourself, but don't presume to speak for anyone else. Because someone else just wrote the defense of Milosevic which I reproduced.

Anyway, I'm sure that atrocities of some sort were committed all around. That is the nature of war, and the victors get to write the history books.

But I don't need to read history books when I get to watch stuff happen in front of me.

In 20 years, would you let a liberal apologist tell you how the Chicago Police department was a fascist oppressor that kept the poor man down?

Well, 10 years after the fact, I don't sit still and listen to some mutt tell me how Milosevic was a victim. I know what I saw, and I don't need your rewritten history.

11/02/2005 04:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To SCC:

I hope you willl let this thred continue for a while. I feel it has a very important meaning to current events. Remember: those who do not remember their history are doomed to repeat it.

I do not have a "horse" in this "race", beside the Truth.

I am 2nd Gen American Catholic with mixed European blood, none of which were involved in the Balkan Conflict (1992- to present).

I have known and been friends with EVERY ethnic Balkan group. My one friend that is a Serb is probably THE BEST human being I have ever meet. If I was stuck on a desert island and could only pick one of the conflicting peoples, the Serb the first and only one on the list!

I'm providing some of this info to show that most Americans have to turn off the nightly news and read. Believe it or not, the media has their own agenda (or is pushing someone elses) and they LIE. This and some of the following posts will shed some light on news that was appearently not fit to print.


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Memorandum on War Crimes and Crimes of Genocide in Eastern Bosnia (communes of Bratunac, Skelani and Srebrenica) committed against the Serbian population from April 1992 to April 1993.

A/46/171 and S/25635

Item 115 (c) of the preliminary list
Human Rights Questions: Human Rights Situations and Reports of Special Rapporteurs and Representatives

2 June 1993

Note: Four sections of the UN document repeat the same three introductory pages, followed by the appropriate texts.

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Comments by Petar Makara
Consulting Editor, Emperor's Clothes

The horror that Bosnian Serbs suffered at the hands of Muslims in the vicinity of Srebrenica is no secret. The Yugoslav State Commission for War Crimes submitted a 132 page study presenting this Serbian suffering as early as May 24, 1993 to the United Nations Security Council. Representatives of Republika Srpska (the Bosnian Serb Republic) were not allowed to submit similar documents because Republika Srpska was not recognized by the United Nations. Yugoslavia, as a UN member state (since 1945) and one of its founding nations, was allowed to submit this document.

The Security Council admitted the study as an official United Nations document. The document was given UN id numbers A/46/171 and S/25635 and dated 2 June 1993.

Many UN documents, crucial for understanding the civil wars in Bosnia in 1990's, were, on American insistence, declared classified. But this document was not. Its distribution was marked "General." Any Western journalist could have stopped by room GA57 in the basement of the U.N. Building at the corner of 46th Street and 1st Ave. in New York and gotten a copy. Or they could just called the U.N. Public Inquiry Office at (212) 963-4475 and ordered it.

If the contents of this document are false, why didn't the Western media report it and refute it? Its suppression eloquently proclaims its validity and the dishonesty of the media that suppressed the very news of its existence.

We present it in its entirety. More. It is scanned in original form. You can print the PDF files and you will have a photo-copy of the original.

-- Petar Makara
Emperor's Clothes

***

Introduction
http://emperor.vwh.net/sreb/un-intro.pdf
Pages 1 - 21 of the document. Historical background. Serbian suffering in the region. Repeated acts of hostility toward the Serbian population in and around Srebrenica, this time in the 1990s. A list of recent Serbian victims of Muslim crime.

The list of Serbian victims
http://emperor.vwh.net/sreb/un-victims.pdf
Pages 22 - 40 of the document. Bosnian Serbs from in and around Srebrenica murdered by Bosnian Muslims from April 20, 1992 to April 5, 1993, organized by date, victim's first name, father's name (in parenthesis), last name, year of birth, place of birth, county.

Massacres
http://emperor.vwh.net/sreb/un-massacred.pdf
Pages 41 - 51 of the document. General description of the crimes committed: Types of torture and murder, plunder of Serbian property, cleansing of the Serbian population.

Muslim perpetrators
http://emperor.vwh.net/sreb/un-perpetrators.pdf
Pages 52 - 80 of the document. Bosnian Muslim perpetrators. Their full names, types of crime committed. Places and dates of their crimes.

Victims' statements - part 1
http://emperor.vwh.net/sreb/un-statements-1.pdf
Pages 81 - 104 of the document. Some surviving Serbian victims tell, in their own words, what they went through and how they survived.

Victims' statements - part 2
http://emperor.vwh.net/sreb/un-statements-2.pdf
Pages 105 - 132 of the document. Continuation: surviving Serbian victims tell what they went through.

11/02/2005 05:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the Republican Catholic:

I'm posting this stuff for everyone, it is not an attack on you personally. People get bent up easily on blogs.

War is war. Humans are humans. From what you claim you turn your cheak every time some one wrongs you. Good for you. I can cast scorn on "war criminals" that are thousands of miles away with the best of them with very little knowledege of what really transpired.

But, I can tell you here and now I am human and I am not sure what I would do if some group of people that hated me and my life came and slaughtered my friends, villagers, and family. I don't know what I would do.

You seem to "know" some what of the anti-Serb side. Permit me to show you the other. I hope you will read some of this and come away with a better understanding of the Balkan Conflict.

11/02/2005 05:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why should one read articles refuting the charge that Serbs committed mass murder in Srebrenica?
by Jared Israel
Emperor's Clothes

UN document detailing crimes against Serbs in and around Srebrenica, 1992-1993
PDF files
Comments by Petar Makara
Emperor's Clothes
[10 June 2005]

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[ www.tenc.net ]

Overview

July 11 is the tenth anniversary of the recapture of the East Bosnian town of Srebrenica by Bosnian Serb troops. In coming weeks we will be sending you a number of pieces challenging the official story about Srebrenica. According to the official account, after the Serbs re-took Srebrenica, they slaughtered 8000 Muslim men.

Why should people read articles challenging this massacre story? After all, it's consistent with what one has been told: that Srebrenica was a safe haven where the UN was supposed to protect Muslims from supposedly murderous Serbs; that the Muslims, portrayed in the media as an oppressed group, were moderate and tolerant while the Serbs were supposedly fanatical Muslim-haters with a Hitlerian vision of a mono-ethnic state; that therefore it was no surprise that when the Serbs took Srebrenica, they supposedly killed thousands of Muslims as fast as they could.

Why should you read material challenging the Srebrenica massacre story when you, dear reader, have limited time and you may have read nothing in the media that would cast doubt on any of the above?

My answer is, that is precisely why you should be skeptical about the massacre story.

Permit me to explain.

The credibility of the official massacre story depends on the credibility of media coverage of Yugoslavia in general and of what happened in Eastern Bosnia, including Srebrenica, in particular. If that coverage has been objective, why should one entertain the possibility that the entire media has manufactured or gone along with lies about a supposed giant massacre?

How might the media objectively cover a bitter conflict like the one in Bosnia? First, it would endeavor to fairly report what each side said, giving them equal time. Then it would investigate claims. For example, if each side accused the other of spreading hate propaganda, the media might publish each side’s claims and then compare those claims to samples of each side’s propaganda, both written material and what was said at rallies and in mass meetings. If each accused the other of atrocities, the media could publish the accounts of both sides, and then do hard investigative work to see who - if anyone - was telling the truth. It would hunt for lies, because what people lie about is most revealing.

If you are like most, you have no idea what the Serbs said about what happened in and around Srebrenica from the time the Bosnian war started in the spring of 1992 until the so-called fall of Srebrenica in 1995. No idea at all. And therein lies the evidence that the media cannot be trusted about Srebrenica: because in fact, the Serbs said, and published, a great deal about Muslim extremist atrocities against them, but the Western media published virtually none of it. What was published by the Western media stands out for the same reason that gold stands out, because it is rare.

For the Western media to have lied for the past ten years about Srebrenica assumes that the media has been organized, by whatever means, to distort information. It is hard - and rather awful - to believe that such a level of organization for lying could exist. But exactly the same level of organization is required in order for the entire media not to have sought out Serbian eye-witness accounts and human interest stories, to have suppressed almost all evidence of funerals of Serb victims, news reports in the Serbian media, documents and photographs distributed by the government of Serbia and by the Bosnian Serb government and army, and so on. The public is unaware of the existence of such data because the media has suppressed almost all of it. You, by the very fact that you have not seen this material, are living proof.

Let me give you an example.

In June 1993 the United Nations published a 132-page report entitled “Memorandum on War Crimes and Crimes of Genocide in Eastern Bosnia (communes of Bratunac, Skelani and Srebrenica) committed against the Serbian population from April 1992 to April 1993.” Note the dates: April 1992 was the very beginning of the war in Bosnia. The Serbs charged that from the outset of the war the so-called Bosnian government (they say it was a government run by a faction of Muslims, the extremist faction) had a policy of genocide against Serbs.

You never heard of this document? I am not surprised. I checked with the Lexis-Nexis media search engine. I could not find a single English-language newspaper or TV news program that reported that it existed.

The point is, in order for the public to come to any judgment about the accuracy of this UN document, it had to know the document existed and what was in it. To that end, the media of course should have reported the existence of said document and what it charged, with extensive quotations in newspapers of record such as the New York Times, and it should have seriously investigated the horrific charges.

The undeniable fact that most people, at least (but not only) in the NATO countries, are completely ignorant of what the Serbs wrote and said about Muslim extremist crimes against Serbs in Eastern Bosnia, including Srebrenica, is sufficient to make a prima facie case that media reporting concerning Eastern Bosnia, including Srebrenica, has been anti-Serb propaganda, not news. Thus there is every reason for you to be skeptical concerning media claims about a supposed huge massacre by Serbs in Srebrenica. By suppressing virtually everything said and written by the Serbian side in the bitter Bosnian conflict, the media has perjured itself. Would you accept, on faith, the word of a perjured witness?

Below are links to the pdf files of the UN report so that you may read it, only 12 years late.

Jared Israel
Editor, Emperor’s Clothes
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I posted the article above.

11/02/2005 11:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And still, no one seems to give a flying fuck about the lovely place called africa???? how many dropping dead of aids each day, rwanda, somalia, ethiopia, sudan, uganda... (and you think gangs here kill each other, you should see what the "tribes" do to each other over there!) Fuck, if any of you actually believe the IRA gave up all its guns, your smokin' dope. and thats all overseas... what about whats happening right here in the US???

11/03/2005 12:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Below is a video made by Bosnian mudjahidin irregular forces attacking a Serb village. It is 25:51 min long and gruesome.

Starting at 3:34 min they begin chanting "ALLAH AKBAR" and do not stop until the end.

The Bosnians were no match for the Serbian regular army. Because they are Muslim, calls for jihad against the oppressive Christian were made to the Islamic world. You can tell who is a real Bosnian by their European appearence. You can tell the Afghans and other arabic types by their appearence. There is also an black African mujahidin at 17:26 min.

At 21:50 min and 23:05 min the tape is rolling when the Bosnians murder two POWs.


http://www.lijepanasadomovinahrvatska.com/video05/EL%20MUDJAHIDIN.wmv

11/03/2005 01:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

here is aother video:

http://www.serbianna.com/features/srebrenica/video.wmv

11/03/2005 01:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Srebrenica Massacre: Photo Story
The release of a video by the Hague War Crimes Tribunal (on June 1, 2005) showing Serbian paramilitary unit the "Scorpions" executing 6 Bosnian Muslims, appears as a deliberate decission of that Court to exonerate Bosnian Muslims of their atrocities by virtue of vilifying Serbs through a video that is freely available throughout the Balkans.
It is unclear as to why hasn't that dignified court released a free circulating video that shows Bosnian Muslims decapitating Serbs, gouging their eyes, beheading them or pulling out the heart from the chest of a Christian as a sign of Islamic piety.

All Carla Del Ponte would have to do is stop at any "Islamic Cultural Center" in Bosnia and obtain a video copy.

The Photo Slide Show and the Video available here is a small sample of the Islamic Jihad perfected in Bosnia and now exported into the US.

WARNING!
Video segments and the pictures in the slide show are of a gruesome nature and may not be suited for a young audience. Video segments have been edited in order to appear the least gruesome and the grotesque mutilations and sadism such as beheading, skinning, heart and eye gouging and body part decapitations of live persons have been omitted.


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Do this link to start the slide show of attrocities against Serbian Christians.

http://www.serbianna.com/features/srebrenica/warning.shtml


Here is a few tastes:

Picture 1 of 34. Srebrenica/Zvornik region: The body of a Bosnian Serb boy murdered by Nasir Oric's forces in the Srebrenica pocket in eastern Bosnia.

and

Picture 2 of 34. The bodies of Ranko Sekulovic, left, and his wife, Radenka, 30, executed and mutilated by Bosnian Muslim Territorial Defense forces on September 13, 1992 in Foca. Bosnian Muslim troops murdered the entire Sekulovic family.

and

Picture 5 of 34. The decapitated head of Bosnian Serb farmer Pero Makic, who was executed by Bosnian Muslim/Croat forces in the northeastern Bosnian city of Brcko on June 22, 1992. His head was placed on a pitch-fork and a cigarette was placed in his mouth. One of the forks of the pitch-fork was stabbed in his eye. This is a photo that was censored and suppressed in the West and the US.

and

Picture 7 of 34. Bosnian Muslim forces murdered 11 Bosnian Serb refugees on August 27, 1992 in Rogatica. Charred bodies of Bosnian Serb man and woman.

and

Picture 10 of 34. The corpse of Bosnian Serb civilian Radivoje Lukic, 59. The Bosnian Muslim paramilitaries "The Mosque Doves" or "Dzamijski Golubovi", murdered him with an axe to the head on October 8, 1992 in Klisa.

and

Picture 13 of 34. Mujahedeen video showing the torture and beheading of Bosnian Serb POWs in central Bosnia. These mujahedeen troops were part of the Bosnian Muslim Government Army, not paramilitaries like the Black Swans or The Mosque Doves.

and

Picture 21 of 34. Top, bodies of elderly Bosnian Serbs executed by the Bosnian Muslim paramilitary group The Mosque Doves, or Djamijski Golubovi near Zvornik in eastern Bosnia. The Mosque Doves executed 25 Bosnian Serb civilians. Left bottom, Bosnian Muslim forces crushed his skull with an axe, exposing his brain. Right bottom, the body of an elderly Bosnian Serb woman who was murdered by Bosnian Muslim forces.


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Note the dates. all these massacres were early in the conflict.

11/03/2005 01:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Come on now. You are citing materials from the Serbian gov't under Milosevic for evidence? There is no need to do that, as I've acknowledged that its likely that bad things were done all around in the names of one group or another.

But your sources are way over the top. The appropriate counterpoint would be Al Jazeera, or the Osama network, to show how Muslims are never to blame.

I assume your Serb friend had nothing to do with what happened. Hopefully he can avoid reflexively defending Milo and crew for what happened.

Lord knows, the Irish Catholic in me doesn't defend the IRA, and the Russian in me doesn't defend Stalin. Last thing any of us should get caught up in is some group-think. The only ones who benefit are the ones who want to hide behind our good names while they act poorly.

Anyway, as long as you ain't defending Milosevic and company, I don't think you are the one I'm arguing with.

11/08/2005 08:52:00 AM  

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