Mountain Births a Molehill
Since Shady and Left have been talking about this in a couple of threads, here's a post just for them to pat each other on the back about how they've finally proved beyond all doubt that the Bush crime family outed a spy as revenge upon her husband's telling the truth about saddam and WMD and the whole war was just for oil and ... what's that?
Sources at AP and MSNBC tell us that the indictment ISN'T for outing a spy. Quoting from the article:
Sources at AP and MSNBC tell us that the indictment ISN'T for outing a spy. Quoting from the article:
- In his charges, Fitzgerald accused Libby of lying about his conversations with reporters, not outing a spy.
So Libby DIDN'T out an undercover agent. He lied about conversations with reporters to the grand jury and got indicted for that. But she WAS an undercover agent, wasn't she? Well, no, not really, according to New York Times writer Nicholas Kristof:
- First, the CIA suspected that Aldrich Ames had given Mrs. Wilson's name (along with those of other spies) to the Russians before his arrest for espionage in 1994. So her undercover security was undermined at that time and she was brought back to Washington for safety reasons.
1994? Wasn't that about 6 years before Bush and Cheney and Scooter even arrived in Washington? So she had NO COVER since 1994 and was transitioning to a job at the State Department with diplomatic cover. Hmm. But she was outed from her non-existent cover as revenge, right? Because Joseph Wilson told the truth about WMD, yellowcake and saddam? Um, no. From the Wall Street Journal:
- Mr. Wilson's original claims about what he found on a CIA trip to Africa, what he told the CIA about it, and even why he was sent on the mission have since been discredited. What a bizarre irony it would be if what began as a politically motivated lie by Mr. Wilson nonetheless leads to indictments of Bush Administration officials for telling reporters the truth.(emphasis mine)
So, the lying husband of a non-undercover CIA officer causes the Vice President's Chief of Staff to tell a lie to a reporter, who went to jail for a few months ... damn, is anyone else getting dizzy? Lying under oath to a Grand Jury is of course, a felony and ought to be punished appropriately, but for all the huffing and puffing and talk about "frog marching" various Bush administration officials into waiting squad cars and the like, what a let down, eh?
posted by SCC at 9:10 PM
35 Comments:
Politics suck.
And----War is Hell!
Looking for advise ... I was talking to a retired old timer about guys getting denied time off for important days that they requested and he told me that if you are denied CU or P-day you can sinply tell the W/C I'm taking off anyway. "Put me on the A&A's as a day off without pay". Some sort of labor law says the employer cant stop you from taking off of work without pay when you give the employer notice. Does anybody know anything about this?
I would say that you need permission to take off withoout pay
In other words you may take off as many days as you want but they dont have to keep a job waiting for you when you return.
They have a railroad to run and we just cant do any damn thing we want
The bottom line is that if you are anticipating another paycheck you must obey supervisor's orders
I am an old timer I guess, 28+ years
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In order to be excused non disciplinary the WC must sign the PAR form
If he doesnt, and you arent at work, you are AWOL.
Which is also a day off w/o pay PLUS a CR number osr SPAR form which will result in another d/o w/o pay (disciplinary) down the line
Read the PAR form some time
The FOP is working to change this in court, but as it stands now, management has the right to deny time off for any reason or for no reason.
This is why they pay you for unused time at the end of your career.
This aint welfare where all you have to do is wake up.
Its a job and there are responsibilities that go along with it.
The political aspect of the "CIA leak" investigation? How many times in the past has the id of a CIA officer been leaked, and in those cases, how many times has it been investigated and prosecuted? Was this CIA officer's (Plame) name actualy protected underr the law, a law described by the prosecutor as almost undecipherable and almost impossible to apply? If someone asked you (anyone) who you talked to two/three years ago, and what you said, and then asked you over and over again who you talked to and what you said, and also asked other people (to whom you may have talked to) what you said, would you remember?
Three posts about taking time off...one track friggin minds
If your W/C is a real jerk about time off put the story here like this one; In 017 we had a Capt Joe McMahon (Ret) that was such a jerk that he made a guy come in on the DAY HIS WIFE HAD A BABY.
Yeah, we all have RESONSIBILITIES.
McMAHON SUCKED THE BIG ONE!
I heard a guy's wife in 009 had a baby recently and the 3rd Watch Capt. said your on the sheets to work and NO time off.. can anyone confirm?
I wonder why do we have a high divorce rate..... is Comp Time a factor? hummmmm this dept wants to to dedicate your life to them but they will screw you in a second if you mess up.
To: 12:05
Dude, most of these "blogs" are boring. I can care less about politics, soxs, cubs, blackhawks, what color green the river will be painted on St Pat's day or what routes the CTA is going to cancel. Let bash this department and let the outsiders know the Truth of whats really going on.
the guy upset about time off must be a dick they never have to use their time just take the squad and go be careful in the burbs ass hole.
EXCUSES, EXCUSES... Hey yeah- it WAS a let down ya hey dere when you don't get the rumored long-time target The ROVERER! But Fitz laid his stuff out there like a pro- (HE should get a Supreme Court nomination! FAIR & BALANCED!)
I bet you won't carry Water of Mass Deception like this when DALEY goes down... why not- why the inconsistancy between hating local thuggery and worshipping it in D.C., S.C.C.?
BUT- Look at it this way- Naughty Karl is TAINTED so badly- he is going to be the worst kind of cancer to this floundering Bush Administration- and he's still in jeopardy of a future indictment. Why wait- because of last minute stuff his lawyer told Fitzy? Is will LIBBY flip on anyone to save his ass? Repugnantcon sources are trying to spin this LIBBY only indictment as a victory- but this is the first major torpedo in the S.S. Dubya's hull- and it lodged right near the giant ammo compartment and is bound to trigger a secondary KA-BOOM... odds say your boy's salad days are ka-put... Official "A" is radioactive... he should have resigned.
And wow- LOTS of MSM sources there- don't you HATE and mistrust the MainStreamMedia?
Come on- EVERYONE knows by now this war was a "PACK of LIES" shoved down our throats as Stage One of "GLOBAL DOMINATION" (remember that video game dual from Never Say Never Again)- maybe you're a "UNDERCOVER OPERATIVE" on the public payroll working on our "HEARTS & MINDS" for nefarious ends...? ARE you JIMMY BOND? (Woody Allen in Casino Royale) ;-)
THANKS ANYWAY S.C.C. ! (I finally get a full night's sleep when you give me my friggin thread!
Dear Captain Joe Mcmahon,
Your a JaggOff. Is it true that your first wife found out you had a girlfriend and emptied your snub 38 at you while you dove into your bath tub for cover?
To bad she missed. How do you live with yourself knowing that everybody hates you for being the asshole you are.
Forgive me.
So...nobody has any thoughts about anything other than their little world of the CPD. And the only thing that is in that world is to whine, cry, and complain.
There are enough threads on this blog about the department where an individual can vent.
The hilarious part, is when there is a thread about national or world events, within three comments someone is complaining about someone at work. Or they start some rumor about another department member.
If you are so consumed about how bad everything is in the CPD or how bad your coworkers are, then just leave and try it in the private sector.
Meanwhile try and stay on topic if your peabrains will let you.
Why, oh why, my dear M, is everything negative towards YOUR president a plot from the left? And conservatives talk about cover-ups by the left. This is a (failed) cover-up from the right.
Let's see, attorneys for LIBBY are already planning his defense. It's the ole "lack-of-memory defense" Heck, it has worked for controversies from Iran-Contra to Whitewater.
Only one person went to prison in the Iran-Contra affair, although several people pleaded guilty to making false statements.
And unlike the "my guy can do no wrong" GOP defenders I'll point out President Clinton and his wife, Hillary, were cleared in the Whitewater investigation of fraudulent land deals ibecause of the lack-of-memory defense. Those land deals took place a decade before they came under criminal investigation. Both should have been found guilty.
When all this is said and done it shall be proven the Vice-President had a hand in this affair. He'll never flip on YOUR president, I know but maybe he'll have to resign in disgrace like that other Republican V.P., Spiro T. Agnew.
I was talking to a retired old timer about guys getting denied time off for important days that they requested and he told me that if you are denied CU or P-day you can sinply tell the W/C I'm taking off anyway.
I know this for a fact, and ask any boss, if you are a female and as off because you have PMS they have to let you off.
09:03.....fuck off
Burke left the job as a sgt. He later served as the CLOUT for his ex-partner, a bungling idiot named Joseph Curtin.
To add insult to injury, Curtin's photo hangs high on the walls of 025. It would make a great dartboard.
In regards to Valerie Plame's cover, because a spy might have outed her in the intelligence community does not give a public official the right to use the media to "out" her with the general public. According to the indictment, "Prior to July 14, 2003, Valerie Wilson's affiliation with the CIA was not common knowledge outside the intelligence community." According to the indictment the sources that were used by the media to "out" Plame are Libby and public offical A. Whether it is a crime or not, I do not know. It is a fact that members of President Bush's administration outed a CIA agent. The truth is not right or left.
All you Bushivecks should be happy:
The judge presiding over "Scooter" will be kind to him. It will be Judge Reggie B. Walton.
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Judge Reggie B. Walton assumed his position as a United States District Judge for the District of Columbia on October 29, 2001, after being nominated to the position by President George W. Bush and confirmed by the United States Senate. Judge Walton previously served as an Associate Judge of the Superior Court of the District of Columbia from 1981 to 1989 and 1991 to 2001, having been appointed to that position by Presidents Ronald Reagan in 1981 and George H. W. Bush in 1991.
While serving on the Superior Court, Judge Walton was the court's Presiding Judge of the Family Division, Presiding Judge of the Domestic Violence Unit and Deputy Presiding Judge of the Criminal Division. Between 1989 and 1991, Judge Walton served as President George H. W. Bush's Associate Director of the Office of National Drug Control Policy in the Executive Office of the President and as President Bush's Senior White House Advisor for Crime.
http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:D-eGxMpm-PkJ:www.dcd.uscourts.gov/walton-bio.html+Reggie+Walton+bush+appointee&hl=en&client=firefox-a
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Even IF he is found guilty, I smell the foul stench of a pardon in the air, or did I just fart?
no, no, it a pardon alright!
Patty Fitz sez: "Listen, you fuckers, you screwheads. Here is a man who would not take it anymore. A man who stood up against the scum, the cunts, the dogs, the filth, the shit. Here is a man who stood up - ME!" - P.J.F.
Check this cool graphic link out-
"See Dick & Don Rig Illegal War"
If you thought CPD's Organizational Chart was complex, check this one out!
"Oh what a tangled web they needed to weave a tangled web for mangled war"...
(P.S. - Nice post there earlier LEFTY... ! And to that previous poster- good point- pardon our FRENCH but the pardons will not be far down the road- look at the Iran-Contra snakes like Negroponte, Abrams, North... some system of justice we've got! Ironically Irving Lewis "Leaky" Libby lawyered/lie-yer'd for Marc C. Rich, the guy Clinton pardoned and enraged the right over... all these pricks are as incestuous as the freaks fucking and sucking everything that moves in the HBO Rome Mini-Series...) hence...
Travis J. Bickle-Hatrick said: "All the animals come out at night - whores, skunk pussies, Neo-Cons, buggers, Cheneys, queens, fairies, dopers,Rumsfelds, junkies, sick, venal. Someday a real reign will come and wash all this scum off the streets of D.C...." ;-P
Solution for denied time due--quit. Or, just hit the medical like the other three-year-wonders. That's the problem with working for someone else, they make the rules.
I finally found the link between the alleged "outing" (where the media cried wolf for "outing" a CIA operative, even though anyone who would pose a danger to her already knew she was one, thereby taking away any perceived danger) and the people bitching about denied time due.
It is simply this-if you can't the danger/rules inherent to your job, then leave.
>>As expected, Burke and Police Committee Chairman Isaac Carothers (29th) salvaged the ordinance they drafted in response to the controversial traffic stop involving the Rev. James Meeks by dropping fines that had stirred opposition from fellow aldermen.<<
While they dropped the provision to fine motorists who don't comply, there is no doubt that this provision will be used to hang many a PO out to dry. This provision absolutely screams out "no traffic stops" to me.
Gump any Guy (9:56 PM) said...
"...if you can't ---- the danger/rules inherent to your job, then leave..."
So you're advocating being a p-u-s-s-y in the face of bully bosses and nefarious high level spooks? Just pack up and run away? Hit the medical? Linking time due denied with the TREASON of outing our spies?
SOME "COP" YOU MUST BE... TAKE YOUR OWN ADVICE, "BOSS": PULL THE PLUG, FOR ALL OUR SAKES- YOU'VE LOST IT COMPLETELY ON THIS ONE. NOTE: ACTING LIKE A BULLY BECAUSE IT WAS DONE TO YOU DOESN'T MAKE IT RIGHT- SEEK THERAPY, BREAK THE CYCLE OF ABUSE... MAY G-D BLESS YOU
Don't know if Burke and Curtin ever worked together, but as a P.O. Curtin worked in 009, where he was surrounded by numerous other assholes.
Hey! If Plame was REALLY outed back in '94, we could indict Clinton for it!! YA! get him get him get him. Clinton's a commie, he probably outed her to the Russians himself and then just put the blaime on Ames! ya ya
R-I-G-H-T-T-T-T . . . KLINTON THE KOMMIE KREMLIN KREAMER DONE IT . . . ;-> I HEARD BILLARY WUZ DERE IN THE GARDEN O' EDIN `DERE... PUT DA APPLE IN ADAM'Z MOUT' AND SCARJAKKED HIS RIB TO MAKE SINFUL WIMMINZ...! DON'T NEVEER TALK 2 NO DEMONCRAP SNAKEZ FER CRIPES SNAKKES- CUZ DEY'S TRAITORS- "FLUSH LIMBOURGER" SAID IT- SO IT'S GOTTA TRUE- (HIZ ASSHOLE HURTZ BAD BUT HE KEEPS GOIN' ON CELEBREX AND SLIM FAST-GO FLUSH!)
Regarding the NY Times writer Nicholas Kristof's op-ed about Ames outing Plame, not The Bush 2 White House, it is SUCH a reach that I have to give it an "A++" for effort!
Here is another article about the New York Times, you all might have forgotten about:
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A Newspaper Challenged: Scandal at the New York Times
In April 2003, the New York Times discovered that reporter Jayson Blair had fabricated and plagiarized many components of his news stories. An investigative team
of journalists from the Times found that Blair fabricated interviews and scenes. He also
lifted material from wire services and other newspapers. Blair filed reports that claimed to be from Maryland and Texas when he was often in his apartment in New York. He covered high-profile stories, including the return home of former prisoner of war Pfc.
Jessica Lynch and the sniper shootings around the Washington, D.C. area. Blair’s editors
found evidence of plagiarism, inaccuracies, and fraud in 36 of his 73 articles. Blair resigned on May 1, followed by the resignations of Howell Raines, executive editor, and
Gerald Boyd, managing editor, on June 5.
...
"
http://www.unc.edu/~jwladyb/Blair.pdf#search='new%20your%20times%20scandal'
Sorry, If I do not believe Mr. Kristof. He does not provide any foot notes to where Ames was at fault. And the simple fact that P.J.F.'s investigation lead to the Bush 2 White House, not the jail cell where Ames is at, scatters the Ames claim to the wind.
Kristof's Ames claim is so off the chart that he doesnt even believe it himself:
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CIA veterans are seething, ***and rightly so, at the betrayal by their own government***. Larry Johnson, who entered the agency at the same time as Mrs. Wilson, is a Republican who voted for President Bush - and he's so enraged that he ***compares the administration leaker*** to the spies Aldrich Ames and Robert Hanssen.
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[***= empasis added]
Kristof admits that there was an administration leaker.
I know you 70g/yr neocons won't like the source, but let's consider it anyway:
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As it stands now, Fitzgerald has Libby on 30 years worth of counts and he's got him cold. No wiggle room. Libby may not do 30 years, but he ain't doing 6 months. Scooter's screwed. It was the Vice President's boon companion himself, David Gergen, who said on MSNBC today that this is squeeze time. John Dean reiterated it later on. It really matters little to a man of 55 whether he is looking at 30 years or 60 -- he'd rather have 60 thrown at him if some of them were shaky and he thought he could use the wobbly ones to get out of the rest.
There is no wobble in the indictments handed down today. It's pretty clear. Libby can cut a deal with Fitzgerald or swing.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jane-hamsher/patrick-fitzgerald-brings_b_9733.html
Yaya, shes a liberal which by definition means she sucks, but for a moment let's assume her math is correct.
30 years for "Scooter"??!! WOW. Ok, we all know he won't get that much esp. with a Bush appointed judge on the bench trial.
But what if........
If I can play arm-chair president for a moment....
I would immedatley grant "Scooter" the presidential pardon (I think you should get a medal with that!). Do it now. Forget it. Who cares who it pisses off. Bush 2 isn't ran by polls. Shit only 38% of people like what he's doing any way. Could it get worse?
If you pardon him now, he's off the hook. Screw the trial, screw the 30 years. Screw any chance he might change his mind an flip.
See below:
XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX SUN OCT 30, 2005 18:31:21 ET XXXXX
PROSECUTOR PLANS ON CALLING CHENEY AS WITNESS IN OPEN COURT; EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE FIGHT LOOMS
**Exclusive**
Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald is planning to call Vice President Dick Cheney as a witness in the trial of Lewis Libby, the DRUDGE REPORT has leaned.
WOW! PJF just dont give a f*ck! Someone's gonna wack him! If he's alive to see 2006 I'd be surprised.
hey company guy not every one is a kiss ass like you
get your face out of your bosses ass
time due can be administered fairly and not used as a club to create a moron like you ass hole
at least you outed yourself by being a company guy>or FOP lackey
Seriously, time due should be cancelled for manpower issues only, not personality issues! Someone has to work, and I think it is an officer safety issue to let too many one man/down cars out there... sometimes it can't be helped (cancelling time due and/or putting one man/down cars out) but whether or not the wc LIKES someone shouldn't be the deciding factor.
As far as granting Libby a pardon....should he get one, I have no idea; will he get one, who knows? Question: how many people received pardons at the very end of the Clinton presidential years, and for what reasons (anyone know)?
Within the CPD: time due cancelled? the idea in and of itself is unacceptable; however, it might be reasonable to say that in any district/unit, not "everyone" can take off on the same day, personal day or not regardless; the question; how short can a district/unit work? There are no standards, it seems up to the w/c, unit c/o discretion, discretion can be challenged/questioned....unless/until the Depart. sets MIMIMUM staffing standards for beat cars, unit staffing, etc. (ala the CFD), nothing will change.....FOP?
a wc in 015 lt MF denied a po he did not like (always questioning the bosses)time due and wrote on the td slip "time due denied low activity." the po went to the unit rep and the unit rep (with a racing heart-always hated the bosses) screamed:
Do you have the time due slip with the written denial?
there are bon a fide reasons to deny time due (like the previous poster stated "everyone can't be off"
LOW ACTIVITY what ever that means IS NOT ONE!
before a greivance could be filed a smarter captain gave the po the time due overruling LT MF and stated to the po you wont need this (the denied time due slip) and proceeded to tear it up-alas no evidence.
This LT MF was using time due as way of retaliation.
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