Murder Tally Is ...
... down 3 from last year (through November). The Tribune article (registration may be required) says that homicides were up 15 during August, but an unusually quiet November drove the numbers back down. The story also cites the superintendent's hiring back officers at time-and-a-half on weekends as one of the reasons for the drop.
posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
61 Comments:
oddly enough, no mention as of now in the suntimes.com
No need to thank me, just doing my job. I just wish the other 11,000 of you would do your share.
Hmmm.... The 25th District has had both the Area 5 Level II DOC and the highest number of homicides all year long. How does the Superintendent explain such an anomoly? Shouldn't a district with so much extra manpower have a noticable decline in its overall number of murders?
But why sweat the small things? Whats important is that the City of Chicago is down a whooping 3 homicides for the year thus far.
What happens though when the homicide rate starts increasing? I guess it will be time for the Superintendent to invent a new method of policing.
No, that will be the next Sups problem. Boss will be collecting book royalties by then. All in the GAME, Joe.
Word is out already that the hire back program will end at the end of the year....
What a coincidence!
25 is the best district in the city. Manpower and all, there are just to many crazy euros going around killing people. I wish they ship all those dumb ass euros back to where they came from.
DAG G-MONEY; DAS' SUM FUGGED UPP SHEEIIT- DOSE CRAYZEE EUROPEEEON UNYIN UNIT O CURRINCYIEZ DUN BE COOOLD-BLOODID KILLAZ AN SHEEEIIIT? DAG- I DIDNIT BE NOWIN' PAPAH MONEE COUL DO DAT WHACK SNIZNIT! WHUT- LIKE A DEEP PAPA' KUTT?
I SAY BRING DAT FUNNI MONEE BYZ MY CRIB- I'LLZ TAKES EM TO THE BANK AND CA$$$$H EM IN FO' SHIZZLE! HELL- DEM EUROZ EVEN LOOOK MO FLY DEN OUR OLD ASS MONET, STRAIGHT UPP! HELL, I'LL JUST LEAVE-OUT TO GO OVER THE WIZZ'OCEAN WIT MY YURO'HOES- THIS NYGGA KNO YA GETZ MO' RESPEC' OVA DERE DEN HERE, AN' THA THA WHYTE BYTCHIZ JUS' LUV CHOKLIT! FO' SHIZZLLE-DIZZLE, NIZZLE-JIZZLE! I JUS' GONE LE-GIT!
I suppose the increase in robberies, burglaries, and rapes mean nothing! Who cares about the "murder tally" - joe will continue killing joe - thats just the way it is
Is it I, or is there something very wrong about hiring back people in December for the sole purpose of keeping the number of homicides down from the previous year? And then stop the program the first day of the new year? I guess they don’t care too much about 2006 homicide victims until the number starts getting up there next year.
Would not a better strategy be to hire back officers during the peak killing times of June-August?
This is such a blatantly statistic driven policy it makes me sick!!!
Some one brought up this point the other day: What if, with a city this size, there is an expectaion that a certain amount of homicides WILL occur.
hiring back people lowered the homicide rate? are they kidding or what? has anyone commented on rates in surrounding suburbs, cities, states, etc.? I mean, it might be down nationwide, too, but: maybe we're just pushing the crime around, maybe the bangers need better aim, maybe it's just an off year for the thugs. People killing people: its the American way, while the politicians bow to the gods of homicide statistics....
I think it has been mentioned before but a large reason the number of Homicides are down is the fact that medical technology has advanced. Someone who is shot today can be saved as opposed to even a few short years ago the wound would have been fatal. I don't know the numbers but are agg batteries, especially those with firearms up, down or the same?
http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-video03.html
Game ban shot down
This is why I can never vote Democratic. They want a parent to be notified if your kid buys a violent game but have no problem with a minor having an abortion without parental consent. This is the party that has no problem killing an innocent unborn child but balks when a thug like that Crip in LA kills 4 people, goes through 26 years of appeals and finally is going to get what he deserves but since he wrote some childrens books hes suddenly OK. Maybe if he wrote books for unborn aborted children they would want him dead.
I know, I know, off topic. Sorry.
why does it have to "joe?" i'm always getting a bad rap. why not "jim" or "carl" for a while?
Agg Bats/Firearm are up and clearances are down.
You know why the murder rate is really down???? I got one unit for you TRU, thats right the elite CPD strike force is making the city safer while the rest of you lazy PO's piss and moan about being sent to different districts. Get tough and start to bring in some heads than maybe you can be part of the elite TRU.
6:35 make it down 2. Someone just got smoked in 007 this afternoon.
Prepare for alot of "death investigations" till Jan. 1.
the "elite" TRU......ho ho ho (a Christmas analogy)..
I sincerely pray that the above paragraph about TRU is a joke.
Having seen some of these guys in action and strut around the districts like their shit don't stink, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if the comment were to be taken seriously.
Some of you guys and girls are such an embarrassment.
i believe murder rate is down due to every district getting yuppies/buppies condos/townhomes forcing poorer people into suburbs, there murder rates are going up.
Gee, if the same
national experts, academics and otherpeople who have been giving the cpd shitloads of credit for being the driving force behind a national decline in murders and for being innovative and aggressvie against the scumbags that kill one another could read all of you prissy, pimpy and pompous little whiners, they would probably gain little insight into the 13000 cops, and would lean about only about 40 of you. If those 40 put the same energy into being the police as they do bitching about every goddamned thing, the department would be only slightly better off than it is right now.
We had one in 011 last night...
3:28 pm--guess you have never been in the 8th district on midnights at the d & d on pulaski where your elite TRU unit sits for hours enjoying a cup of joe
TRU takes care of business bottom line. They slack off ask much as everyone else on the force does. Maybe if everyone got off there asses we could get some work done.
Character issues aside, Supt. Kline has done a great job heeping the murder rate at a all-time low. Congratulations Phill!
Why is it when the bosses want their numbers to change that ALWAYS happens.
We write exactly what they want on the headings of our case reports or we get punished. The crime reporting of this department is a real scandal.
The headings of our case reports are somthing from the Land Of Oz.
Daley wants so much to have murder rates that justify his desire to keep every possible gun ban in place.
Why did Daley put constant ans unrelenting pressure on the University of Chicago to get Dr. John Lott canned? Lott wrote the book, More Guns, Less Crime.
Daley hated Dr. Lott's work that showed the gun laws Daley wanted are meaningless or increased crime. Lott collected some seroius cash and quietly went to Yale and is now part of the Eneterprise Institute.
TRU can't spell clear up.
They try but they are inadequate.
They are without adult leadership and seasoned , court appearing, officers -ones who get CONVICTIONS.
Arrests are meaningless without a follow up that is supported in the court by a finding or plea of guilty . Wake up young dudes and old. Learn the law and follow through with conviction. Testify with pride and knowledge. TGo to court. Make time or money. Lose a few to learn, and never make the same mistakes twice. Have pride in the fact that we can do the job to the end. It's the conviction that states you did a job flawlessly. No politic, no glad handing, no bullshit. YOU did it because you are the professional that made it under the wire of " business as usual". The naysayers will flourish, ignore them, hold your standards high and put the bastards in the house. Fuck the coments about being a pimp for the lawyers. Only the inept will respond to that line of thought. There is no rational to counter thourough police work. DUI, misdemeanoe theft, P.S.M.V., agg abtt, murder....all the same, go for it and make the case stick. Your proof is in the verdict. The fix...??? Yes, it's a;ways there, it's a matter of fact. Don't let it touch you. Learn every time you appear and god bless you.
Anonymous said...
Character issues aside, Supt. Kline has done a great job heeping the murder rate at a all-time low. Congratulations Phill!
12/03/2005 08:09:17 PM
What a kiss ass. The murder rate would be sky high again this year but the almight pen and pencil set strikes again. How many became suicides? How many were re-classified? How about the millions of TAX dollars spent at cook county stroger what ever hospital that will never be repaid as they keep a useless piece of shit alive by wasting millions of dollars by do so. Why wont the upper to do idiots of this city call an apple an apple?
08:55:30
How many of the Drinking on the Public Way arrests result in conviction... Aside from 1 bag 1811, that is the only arrest TRU knows how to make.
T.R.U.
Truly
Retarded
Unit
I've seen those Elite TRU Cops in action. Do their parents know they're playing Police?
You sure are a happy bunch.
8:55:30
Truer words were never spoken. Theres nothing more satisfying than walking into court prepared (particularly with a serious crime), watching the defense lawyer look at you with disdain, arrogance, contempt and the notion that you are nothing more than an uneducated, stupid blue collar, middle class laborer who will surely make his job of getting his client off much easier and then watching him when you get a conviction. Mr. highly educated, well paid, upper class society member being beaten by somebody like you. Try it. You will like it.
Don't blame TRU...they are a product of their environment. 2 yrs OTJ, no real experience as of yet. They are thrown into a "unit" with their peers, and fed some B.S. about how they are the reason #'s are down and they are able to stop gang crime just by their presence. My suggestion don't believe the hype! Who will they learn from? Experience is needed....in court, OTJ & with ASA's. Here's an idea maybe write up a search warrant once in a while then pound on your chest and tell everyone you're part of an elite unit.
My favorite TRU officer is the girl who I see around in 010 and 011 who wears her hair like Pebbles.
Yeah, her appearance commands my respect...NOT! WTF is a 20-something doing running around looking like a cartoon character?
Sorry, that's been bugging me for months.
She's not the only one.
The sweaters still kill me though. HAHA!
TRU will ALWAYS be the wanna be step children of SOS....I was in Gangs(SOS) for 5 years.I love the TRU guy's quote above, "TRU takes care of business bottom line" HAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAA HAAAAAA what a statment!!! You guys would fuck up a dopw arrest. First of all you wouldn't even know what "Taking care of business" is all about....and secondly what have you ever done in your career to even say something like that? Shit....bring back gangs North and South and we'll show you what taking care of business is REALLY all about!! If I was you little TRU soldier....I'd stop bragging about "Taking care of business" because you sound very silly.
To above post: You wouldnt know a gangbanger if one kicked you in the ass. Since when does the unit make the police officer. It doesnt matter what unit or district you are in. The best cops I know are riding beat cars and didnt have that phone call to get to gangs big guy. Talk about blowing your own horn.
to Mr. 5:35...go get your fucking shine box!!! nitwit...best coppers in beat cars.....yah that certainly applies in 016 moron...oh wait are you one of them?
to 06:09:16pm
Sad to say, but 05:35:00pm hit the nail on the head. This job is bullshit, its who you know not what you know. I see beat cars doing better work than tact, and thats with being tied down to the radio too. I laugh inside when I see some of the goofs on tact.
why does XXXXL phil hold a news confrence patting himself on his ample back when homocides are down but if we go out and prevent crime like parking violations or curfews the watch commanders get mad. If there are no murders this is good if there are no curfews this is bad I just dont get it. If no one is getting Robbed it is good If no one runs a stop sign the watch commander yells. Isnt crime prevention what this is all about. we should prevent crime equally
Let’s stop beating on each other and focus this shitstorm of rhetoric at those who wish to see us fail, and at a city’s administration that doesn’t appreciate us!
I heard a nasty little rumor, and was wondering if anyone can give me clarification??? Someone told me that "Robberies" got pushed into the "crimes against property" catagory??? Is this true, was this in-advertant mistake made to push down violent crimes??? However, I can see why a Robbery is considered a "property crime", because, yes, a wallet, purse or $$$ is someones property... or is this another one of the great "smoke and mirrors" tricks???
P.S.: To the individual who posted at 8:55; you are, without a fucking doubt, 110% fucking right on the money! It is unfortunate that the veil of anonimity is used soooo often here, (and understandably so)because some of our "back end of the bell curve" officers should buy you a beer!
I can't understand the constant tru bashing; they do what is expected of them, go to an area where there is a likely hood of violence, hence the doc zone and flood it and lock up every jag that is out, mess with the gangbangers, tow their cars, impound them, make them miserable so they will move on, this is all stuff everyone should be doing but most feel they are too good for this type of pinch or that type of pinch, get over yourselves and your silly real police attitudes, work together, be safe and most of all, have fun!
And no i'm not a housemouse, kissass or whatever else you wanna call me, I work in 011 and get to see some of these dimebag "real police," everyday and it kinda makes me laugh because I know coppers in slower districts that would run circles around some of these guys; nice people they just need to chill alittle.....
"Anonymous said...
I heard a nasty little rumor, and was wondering if anyone can give me clarification??? Someone told me that "Robberies" got pushed into the "crimes against property" catagory??? Is this true, was this in-advertant mistake made to push down violent crimes??? However, I can see why a Robbery is considered a "property crime", because, yes, a wallet, purse or $$$ is someones property... or is this another one of the great "smoke and mirrors" tricks???
P.S.: To the individual who posted at 8:55; you are, without a fucking doubt, 110% fucking right on the money! It is unfortunate that the veil of anonimity is used soooo often here, (and understandably so)because some of our "back end of the bell curve" officers should buy you a beer!
12/04/2005 11:44:42 PM"
No, index crimes are and continue to be index crimes. Those statistics are UCR code driven, i.e. 03XX.
The difference you are speaking of is that Robbery has been Moved into the old Property Crimes Oversight Office and has become Robbery Burglary Theft in the Detective Division. It is still considered a robbery and is still considered by UCR statistics as a Robbery. There are no smoke and mirrors there.
Detectives that handle Robbery handouts now are being supervised by property crimes supervisors. Thats about it.
No mystery and no smoke and mirrors.
TRU
10 cars were at Bourbon Street including two supervisors.
Owner beefed because he had to split up paying tables among his waitresses and the boys sat way do long making the public wait.
Thank you, you TRU 2 year wonders and your scab merit sergeants. Go back north scumbags.
Gee thanks TRU, Bourbon Street is one of the few places that really give a hoot about the Police. I hope you 2 yr wonders at least tipped the wait staff well. They hold benefits for the Police all the time. Don't burn them out.
I'm not Sharky or the other follow-up posters, but I'll second what they said.
All of this is not right. I realize that there might not be a great deal of experience and leadership in TRU, but you do NOT sit down with 9 other cars at any restaurant and let the restaurant pay. This is simply fucking outrageous strong-arming of a decent business.
And for the "can I get someone here to do my job", you have to be kidding. I'm one of the pro-DUIers on these boards, but like the man said, don't stop what you can't handle.
I'm not judging because, if nothing more, I'd suspect its just a lack of experience and leadership there. Negligence and certainly not intent in either case.
But as a unit, y'all have to do more thinking. 9 cars in one place and not one person thought to make sure that something like 80% of the meal (plus tip) was covered?
Screw that. I'm going into the place next time I'm in the neighborhood in the afternoon, and I'm doubling my bill in the tip just for the point of apologizing on behalf of the department.
TO 06:04, Thanks for the clarification! As I thaught, UCR is still UCR, just another section in the Det. Div. to handle the job...
To 02:41, just read the above few posts, and you'll stop wondering why all the TRU bashing! Yes in fact they are "Taking care of business", they just took care in fucking up another good thing!
Just great, you nitwits burned yet another restaurant. Im soooo proud to be a police officer.
homicide rate as of 02 dec 2005.
417 down 2 from 04
We are gonna have more murders than in '04. I thought TRU was "takin care of business". Another CPD flop. Lets just follow the NYPD model exactly Phil, our top brass isn't smart enough to do their own thing.
I did my penance in TRU. When it first started, there were alot of really good, hard working coppers, Ass-kickers. However, the bosses became too worried about whether everyone had there sweaters on at the same time. You don't want great coppers doing real police work...I remember a couple guys from the unit grabbed three heads, with three guns,a hot car, and a bunch of dope, and they were asked where their other contact cards were. Are you kidding me?????
That's why most of the "real police" left that silly unit.
THAT IS THE MOST RIDICULOUS THING I HAVE EVER HEARD....NO I MEAN YOU ARE TOTALLY RIDICULOUS
Sharkey,I don't get it. What in the world would those two supervisors be arguing about? If she stopped a car on the way to lunch, it's hers, whats the problem? Why would anyone think that someone else would handle her stop? Please elaborate.
IS THIS AN ON VIEW DUI CRASH OR SOME DUDE SHE STOPPED? IF ITS A CRASH IT IS 022'S PAPER, IF NOT ITS HERS
When I worked special employment, public housing north long ago, we weren't allowed to: investigate traffic crashes, transport bodies, or do missing persons case reports. Otherwise, anything and everything else was fair game.
I made all kinds of arrests, including DUI while working public housing.
The female police officer in 022 who supposedly made an ass of herself (if she said what's attributed to her) by saying she was on her way to lunch. Unless it involved a crash and she has standing orders not to handle crashes, it was her job. If she needed help, then ask for help, but don't make an ass of yourself on the radio by failing to do a police function.
re: the traffic crash event....there is no question that law enforcement officers are responsible and obligated to investigate and respond to criminal incidents that come to their attention (ie., on view, on duty, etc.). The differentiation between district units and specialized units (TRU, SOS), is nice to debate, but on the witness stand (assuming a civil lawsuit concerning the incident): "officer, you were on the scene of this event, what did you do, and what did you not do, and why?".....the officer says that "I don't work in that area, I don't take calls, I was on my way to lunch????".....meanwhie, the jury looks at them and wonders........huh???? and I, for the first time in 30 years, dust off my law degree in an effort to collect a verdict in favor of the victim and against the city AND the officer(s) involved......
I had an officer from one of these saturation teams callin in a strong arm robbery. She stated that she was flagged down by the victim and cuffed the offender and that she was in a unit and was not supposed to handle it. She added that she didnt know what to write in the case and arrest report. I kindly directed her to speak to her superviser and call us back when she figured it all out.
WTF, what people are they putting in these units? What are they being told by their supervisors?
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