Wednesday, November 30, 2005

Residency Letter

Caught this one in the comments section. Somebody wrote to the Sun-Times and made a very good case for discontinuing the Residency Requirement. Now we are of the opinion that nothing is going to happen until the mayor moves on, either by retirement, indictment or other, but this is how we start the ball rolling. Get the idea out there. Make some good points. The city IS expensive to live in. The city IS excluding a potentially huge pool of talent in more than a few departments because of the Residency Requirement. Don't citizens DESERVE the best available people and services?

As we recall, Residency is a "Home Rule" issue for the City, so the law MUST be changed in Springfield first. That will be the biggest task. Perhaps the Courts could be of some assistance here as it seems decidedly un-American to tell citizens where they can and cannot live. Any scum sucking bottom feeders ... um ... we mean lawyers out there willing to take on the city and state legislature? Don't we have a few CPD guys serving in Springfield? What about them?

189 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lets get the Fuc& outta here! catholic school is expensive, i'll pay 6000 a year in taxes.

11/30/2005 01:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

residency is, in my view, a hot issue; from the legal (overturning existing laws, changing the contract, etc.), to the political (Daley, Democrats, etc.), to the financial (the question as to whether keeping city workers here supports the tax base, home values, etc.). I also wonder: what do the officers (CPD) think re: residency?; and how about the other city departments (CFD, Streets and San, etc.); has anyone asked them in an honest way?

11/30/2005 01:31:00 PM  
Anonymous crimefile said...

I remember well how the Supreme Court under Earl Warren, changed the face of and brought decay to every large American City. That court struck down residency requirements for welfare collection saying that Americans can move anywhere they want without penalty and collect tax money too.

The results was the wholesale invasion of the big cities like Chicago by the poorest Blacks in the South. They were looking for welfare systems that paid five times what they got in Mississippi and alike.

This migration was fueled by smiling Southern Government officials giving free one way bus tickets and $5.00 cash to anyone on welfare in their states.

That same law should have the same effect on city employess that chose to live somewhere other than Chicago.

Another arguement: My wife wants to own a handgun but that's banned by Chicago law and her rights are affected. She is rightly afraid because someone I've arrested knows where we live and she's alone while I'm at work. Why should she be punished because I'm a cop? It's breaking apart my family.

My wife demads to life closer to her dying mother-father-sister in Dupage County. She's going to take my kids and move if I don't.

The residency requirement is both political and unreasonable.

11/30/2005 01:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Only CPD member in Springfield I know of offhand is State Sen. Tony Munoz (D-1 Chicago). Office # 773-869-9050.

11/30/2005 01:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cicero and Chicago are the only cities that I know of that have residency. New york,L.A all the big cities have gotten rid of it. The damn county doesnt make the sheriffs live in the county!!!!

11/30/2005 01:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Its been Daleys punishment to us.

11/30/2005 01:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

CIERO,IL DOESN'T HAVE RESIDENCY!!! ONLY PART-TIME COPS HAVE TO LIVE IN TOWN....

11/30/2005 01:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

TYPO "CICERO"

11/30/2005 01:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To 1:52 PM-We need to punish back. Election time for mayor and ALL aldercreatures is closer than we think.

11/30/2005 01:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

IN 2003 OR 2004 COOK COUNTY WON A LAWSUIT....REGARDING RESIDENCY.
LET'S FOLLOW SIUT WITH THEM.

11/30/2005 01:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The city does not restrict where a person lives or doesn't live. Americans do have a choice even in this "empire".

The city just presumes to dictate where you can live if you want to work on it's police department

Does the current city council, who cannot seem to agree on the smoking issue without resorting to name calling, function with a republican member or more in it's chambers?

How much ,in dollars, would the city tax coffers suffer from an expanded and depleating base?

I personally believe that it's all money, nothing more. And the state is already involved in the money-go-round, as is the county. $$$

How far would too far be? A copper working in 004 is closer in some cases to Indiana than to 35th street.

It should be a great bargaining issue.

11/30/2005 01:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

personally I think residency would be a great bargaining tool...but I think we SHOULD have to live here. We're the CHICAGO police, not the Des Plaines or River Grove police... I'm not particularly fond of suburbanites- and if they want to get on the job then they should have to live here. Its a matter of civic pride. If residency was lifted I would NOT move outside of the city...

11/30/2005 02:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah, congratulations. But who are you to tell others where THEY should or should not live.

Or, in the terms now existing, where THEY CAN OR CANNOT live.

I'm glad you have an opinion, and you should do what you feel is best for yourself. But this is not Daley's choice to impose on me.

Hate to tell y'all this, but I'd love to be the first Republican in Oak Park.

11/30/2005 02:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To 2:04PM-Yourself and a LOT of other people would not move. Many coppers have too much invested in their homes and neighborhoods to just pull up stakes and leave. The Sun Times letter writer argues it would open the pool of eligible candidates. Hopefully that means more hires, which means you'll FINALLY get the time due you usually are denied, better furlo's, etc.

11/30/2005 02:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The families of P/Os should start a lawsuit...why should they be punished for where we work Its a hardship on them depending on where they go to work, school and have family.

11/30/2005 02:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

civic pride... is that a joke, or a serious comment? if a police officer comes to work and devotes his/her efforts, indeed puts his/her life on the line every day, what the H@@l difference does it make where they live?

11/30/2005 02:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

2:04 By your logic you should have to work in the district you live in. You can live next to Fox Lake in Hegwisch and work up on the border of Chicago/Evanston. Your location of residence doen't determine your work ethic or ability. I don't understand how certain suburbs such as Oaklawn and Evergreen Park can have court ordered suspension of residency to ensure diversity, yet we can be legally forced to live in Chicago by a crooked state law shoved into place by the sleazy Chicago Machine. Why doesn't the F.O.P. do what the member's want on this issue? Because they too are in bed with the Machine.

11/30/2005 02:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

With that will come the consequences of your home property values fall like a lead balloon. Are you prepared to take a hit on probably the biggest investment of your life???

11/30/2005 02:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

if city worker residency is the only, or primary, factor, in supporting home values, what does that say about the city? Obvious, isn't it?

11/30/2005 03:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think property values will fall only if there is "a mad stampede of indentured servants vacating long lived in neighborhoods" (ref sun times letter). Also reference 2:11 PM- I don't see an exodus of city workers from the city.

P.S.-Congrats to SCC. A thread that has stayed on topic !

11/30/2005 03:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This isn't 1980 anymore folks. Property values will only decrease slightly in the already city worker occupied areas. Look around and see whats going on. Daley is flushing the projects and redeveloping them into big money condos and townhomes. The gentrification of the city has been in full swing for the last several years with only minimal slowdowns. Face it folks. Daley don't need us here anymore to prop up his property values.

11/30/2005 03:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Remember my friend-No one asked you to take the job and you knew the rules-don't like it QUIT!

11/30/2005 03:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lets get the Fuc& outta here! catholic school is expensive, i'll pay 6000 a year in taxes.

11/30/2005 01:19:51 PM

Try closer to $10,000.

11/30/2005 03:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If the cops move out, alot of people will move out, Chicago becomes Detroit, do you really think they are going to let us go? Get your heads outta your heads outta your asses and pursue a different dream. Residency will stop when you make rank, in other words, never.

11/30/2005 03:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Remember my friend-No one asked you to take the job and you knew the rules-don't like it QUIT!

11/30/2005 03:13:11 PM

Typical company bitch! Now boss please delete all the cookies from you computer down at 35th I wouldnt want you to get in trouble.

11/30/2005 03:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Takin it to the streets said...

I am so tired of the standard line "if cops move out teh cuty will turn to shit" give me a break. You mean to say that this city hinges on 12000+ cops living here and that keeps it all inline? What an ego on that guy, remember this is a job not a life, so take it easy, relax and get your one bagger.

11/30/2005 03:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To 3:13 PM-You're right. We did know the rules. However, rules become outdated and obsolete (kind of like your rant). A myriad of other rules and laws have been changed over time. I believe the residency rule is one whose time has come and gone.

11/30/2005 03:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey mother fuckers!! When you were hired did you know there was a residency requirement?!!! Yeah, you did!!! You should not have taken the job if you don’t want to live in the city. You all are a bunch of fuckheads.

11/30/2005 03:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Funny how we are one of the only major American cities that has this residency requirement.
I don't want to hear any garbage about how we need to live in the city in case some emergency. We are forced to live here so the mayor can get his property tax revenue, sales tax revenue, city sticker revenue, etc. We, as city workers, have too much money for King Richie to lose.
Maybe that could be changed if the FOP stepped up and fought the issues that need fighting, like this!!

11/30/2005 03:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey 3:25PM-Congratulations ! You're the first to post the dimwitted, moronic rant on the thread. You can pick up your prize at 3510 S. Michigan-5th Floor. Ask for Mr. Cline.

11/30/2005 03:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ref 1:45 PM-Anybody know any other coppers in the state senate or house of reps besides Munoz?

11/30/2005 03:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The CITY went downstate and had the law changed so that RESIDENCY cannot be a bargaining issue in municipalities with over 2 million people (Chicago). The downstate law needs to be rescinded/removed before any real issue can be argued.

11/30/2005 03:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

3:44PM-Considering the STATE law was written to apply to cites with residents of over 2 million people,
of which Chicago is the ONLY city that fits the criteria, has the constitutionality of this law ever been challenged? Any one aware of case law regarding this?

11/30/2005 03:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Another arguement: My wife wants to own a handgun but that's banned by Chicago law and her rights are affected. She is rightly afraid because someone I've arrested knows where we live and she's alone while I'm at work. Why should she be punished because I'm a cop? It's breaking apart my family.

My wife demads to life closer to her dying mother-father-sister in Dupage County. She's going to take my kids and move if I don't.

The residency requirement is both political and unreasonable.

11/30/2005 01:42:50 PM

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If she used one of your guns you left around to defend her life and the lives of your children, nothing bad would happen to her. She's a woman. You could get ALL SORTS of women's rights groups out to bat for her. The NRA would jump up for her too. That would be SOME strange bed fellows....liberal manhaters siding with the gun nutz! hahaha Don't sweat it.

Alternatively, get her a shot gun. Cheaper than a pistol. Ammo's cheaper too. Very scary to a would be home invader. She could get a 20 ga., less recoil. Many modern shotguns have built in shock absorbers to help recoil. AND you can legally register it in the City!

11/30/2005 03:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Takin it to the streets said...
I am so tired of the standard line "if cops move out teh cuty will turn to shit" give me a break. You mean to say that this city hinges on 12000+ cops living here and that keeps it all inline? What an ego on that guy, remember this is a job not a life, so take it easy, relax and get your one bagger.

11/30/2005 03:20:22 PM


Hes' right. We don't matter anymore. The housing boom changed the attitude of the home buyer. It is trendy to live in the city now. My buddy (CPD)'s mom (a dispatcher) lives NW in a bungalow that was built in the 20's. The bungalow to the north, went for $435,000....... That's FOUR HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS!! FOR A BUNGALOW!!! The couple that bought it are two laywers. Do you really think they give a shit that there was a city worker next door? No.

11/30/2005 03:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

3:13 You better never ask for a raise above the cost of living or any other benefit beyond what you came on with. You knew what the salary and benefits were whenyou took the job.

11/30/2005 04:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

and that's why (the housing boom) is why the FOP, the CFD, city workers' unions, etc., etc., should make their move NOW to eliminate the residency requirement (a significant bargaining chip, vis-a-vis salary, days off, medical, etc., the possibilities are endless). Keep in mind, that many city workers (many more so than one might think) will choose to live/remain in the city, for a variety of reasons, so the eventual effect of lifting the residency requirement may be significantly less than many think....

11/30/2005 04:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Malcolm X's liitle brother said...

Move, go ahead, if the residency requirement is lifted. No way is the bungalow on northwest side going to get 400 grand. Others shall get it for half that. Then it will be others' turn to give out all those contracts now taken by the 11th ward cronies.

11/30/2005 04:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

yeah I knew there was a residency requirment when i came on the job...I was also told that I would be able to advance in my career without any further schooling. We see what happened with that.The Mayor sucks and there will be no changes until the king is dethroned.

11/30/2005 04:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The city makes me live here
The inspector makes me have a daily bullitin.
The Sgt. makes me go to my jobs
The other coppers write my family tickets.
This guy is a J.O. he writes 501s
That guy is a jag he won't write a 501
The boss checks on me when I'm sick
boooooohooooooo!!
TRU is retarded, one bagger coppers
on & on &on
Quit you cry baby GEN Xer's

11/30/2005 04:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh and take your wife too! So she can life in Dupage!

11/30/2005 04:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"you motherfucker knew about residencey when you got hired, so shut the fuck up"

This asswipe must have just remortgaged his 25 foot lot so he can pay for his bullshit addition. We owe this to the future policemen not just for ourselves. We need to get this lifted, and if you you wanna stay go ahead. If a woman has the right to have a human sucked out of her, then I should be able to get 30 miles out of the city. The above pissed off guy.....stay then dick breathe

11/30/2005 04:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gen xers dude..
Blow us.. you've been retired for 10 years still living in this shit hole.

11/30/2005 04:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Evident Domain said...

I-f they (DaleyCo.) are actually scared about the possible effects of a "mass exodus", then phase RESIDENCY in gradually... with certain parameters/"limits" to soften the potential fallout/downside for them...

For example: let them "give us" a "graduated" Resdiency "benefit"... you can't have it for your first five years (yeah, I know- undercuts the "suburban" real police highly qualified recruiting pool...) ...unless maybe pay a penalty in the first five years, something like the City gets to keep your Duty Availability for the first five years IF you choose to stay outside the city limits.

Hence, after your first FIVE years you can live in a bordering suburb (Park Ridge, Skokie, Niles, Harwood Hts, Elmwood Pk, Evanston, Oak Park, BELLWOOD!, Evergreen Park, Oak Lawn, etc.(help me with the South Side!)

At TEN years, you can move to the very outer boundaries of Cook County.

At FIFTEEN years, to the "outer limits" of any county adjacent to Crook... (Lake, McHenry, Kane, DuPage & WILL...)

And at TWENTY- NO LIMIT !
Wisconsin, Indiana, Michigan, and even Iowa for snicks for you Galena, IL people... (maybe long-distance commutes would be possible if there were some really interesting "alternative" work schedules enacted, like 3 days of twelve hours, with optional alternate days, or part-time retirement with one week on, one week off with potentially longer days/short week (4x10 hrs, every other day or every other week...)

They could also just do a promisory letter of agreement to STOP enforcement of the residency rule for a test period of one contract, say after the next, thus letting King Richie walk away without having to suffer it but still show "good faith" and be able to snicker after having dropped it in the lap of his successor... then also in that same letter of agreement they could cancel the experiment AFTER the expiration of the NEXT contract after the original, in effect giving P.O.'s a less burdonsome time frame to move back into Chicago, or retire. Or maybe a superior alternate compromise being that anyone who actually left are then "grandfathered" into never having to return.

Regardless, whomever commented about the State law needing to be amended/repealed is correct I believe- and maybe that's the direction in which to spearhead the bulk of our efforts since it's all academic until that is changed. Hopefully the braintrust at the Lodge has all these angles measured, ready to pounce on Babushka's replacement at the next contract negotiation... (yeah right! ;-P)

11/30/2005 04:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The teachers had a ten-ure plan. after 10 years they can move out, many stayed because after that long they had kids in schools and stuff.

11/30/2005 04:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

half this silly department has like 2 years on.....Many would be stuck here for awhile. remember rent or buy a two flat then when the 10 years roll around bam see ya.

11/30/2005 04:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

get rid of it (residency), for god's sake....let the marketplace, and the city employees, decide for themselves where they wish to live....of course, maybe the city workers who are forced to work for the election/re-election of their politicians (hello, shakman?) are an effect on residency; I mean, why work for the election of some bozo in the city, when you actually live (and vote) in DuPage County (for example)....maybe that's THE KEY....

11/30/2005 04:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Malcolm X's liitle brother said...
Move, go ahead, if the residency requirement is lifted. No way is the bungalow on northwest side going to get 400 grand. Others shall get it for half that. Then it will be others' turn to give out all those contracts now taken by the 11th ward cronies.

11/30/2005 04:10:11 PM



You're an idiot. The value of the house has nothing to do with having a cop or a fireman next door.

This is our chance to get out. The FOP better move on it.

11/30/2005 04:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you all have access to the national FOP website you should checkout the library and there is a section on arguements for the removal of residency toward the bottom of the page, under "Research Documents."

11/30/2005 04:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

4:34 Yeah and you are working in it--- by your own choice -- just another 2 year I'm burned out pussy!

11/30/2005 05:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

4:18 Your a moron.

11/30/2005 05:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I normally hear similar arguements about the bottom falling out of the market if we were able to move out of the city.

I looked up the census info for Chicago. Total population, 2,869121
Home ownership rate = 43.8%
That turns out to 1,262,413

Depending on who you talk to, we have 11,500 officers. Or for the sake of arguement use, 13,000 p.o.s
Use the same 43.8% home ownership figure and you get 5060 out or 11,500 or 5720 out of 13,000 Police officers.
Basically it is an insignificant .004 %

There are a lot of other variables, like some people would not sell their house or condo right away, as mentioned earlier. I tend to think the housing prices would not drop as dramatically as some would argue. Living outside the city would be a nice alternative to consider.

Anyway check out the census information at quickfacts.census.gov

11/30/2005 05:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

values?.....the question/issue.... let's say that an officer/firefighter/city worker (and it's not just the CPD affected by residency) decides to live elsewhere; so IF they lose some value (hypothetical) on their home, maybe they gain some value on a home somewhere else, maybe they send there kids to some other school system, maybe they pay more in property taxes, maybe they pay more for gas (driving, etc.)...maybe it's less rather then more....let the employee decide.

11/30/2005 05:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What is "residency"? What if my wife threatens to divorce me, we separate, sell the house, and she and the kids move to the burbs while I live in an apartment? Can I "visit" every night to try a reconcile our marrige? How often, and to what extent do I have to "live" in my apartment to maintain residency in the City?

11/30/2005 05:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When I came on the job there was a residency rule.....there was also free medical insurance. And if you retired in good standing, you got free medical insurance (a nominal fee for a spouse....and I do mean nominal!!) Let us also speak frankly.....the residency rule is to keep white flight from happening.

I don't think there would be a white flight should residency requirements be removed, but I do know that we would get a better quality recruit.

Los Angeles has never had a residency rule; New York allows you to live within the counties that encompass NYC; Detroit rescinded their residency rule. Oak Lawn was forced to abandon their residency rule because it was used to keep black officers from joining their department. Ironically, Evergreen Park has resinstated a residency rule when they had none.

Personally, I don't feel like driving a zillion miles to my job and if removed, I'm not going anywhere. However, it should be a choice, after all, this is America...isn't it?

11/30/2005 05:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You must lay your head in your apt. 51 percent of the time, if that makes sense. basically if you are hated you will be fired no matter what.

11/30/2005 05:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

wharej603
The issue is as follows:

As a public service union FOP we can only bargain for wages, hours and working conditions.

It is already established by labor law that "residency" is considered within "working conditions"

however Daley and his pals passed a law that municipalities of one million or more ONLY CHICAGO, cannot bring the issue of residency to interest arbritration.

If we could bring the issue of residency to an arb then as is the case for Rockford, Cicero and Calumet City the municipality has been unable to convince an arb that residency is necessary and the local city workers have prevailed and no more residency!!!

Cook County tried to have a residency rule for cook county employees and tried to say that the county had a population of one million the courts ruled against the county and said the statue states municipality and not county so the issue of residency is an issue to bargain for.

By the mayor getting the law passed we cannot even bargain for the elimination of residency.

I made a motion at a general meeting to challenge the law that only stops city of chicago employees from bargaining to eliminate residency needless to say Donahue did not think it was a good idea and the motion did not carry. for those of you who were at the meeting a number of retirees voted and Donahue allowed it even though retirees are not members of the bargaining unit and are not allowed to vote on contractual issues.

Donahue has changed his tune and I think you will see him attempt to save face by going after the law!!

I have the minutes of the meeting to back up my account of the residency saga.

11/30/2005 06:02:00 PM  
Anonymous re-elect bobbie rush said...

Sorry off topic, but it just pisses me off.

Residency will no longer be an issue.

Bobbie Rush,

Now dont get ne wrong, I am not a Tom Dart fan. Hell unitl 4 years ago I had never heard of Tom Dart.

How can Rush get on national TV and call Dart a rasist and say he is in the Clan and does not ware his hood on the outside but on the iside of his head.

If Tom Dart or any other white political figure stated something similar about RUSH. Jackson and the rest of these muts would have jumped all over it. Not to say that would be the end of his/hers political career.

They can preach hate and rasisim on national TV, but we are the rasists.

If The Mayor loses the next election and and someone the likes of RUSH or Jackson Jr. gets in, I will quit my city job, sell my house to the first fool that comes along and move as fall away from this rasist shit hole of a City as I can get.

11/30/2005 06:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In the 70's and 80's residency might have cleared the city in most neighborhoods.But the market is and has been wild in the city and it has nothing to do with city workers. We can all move out and things would hardly miss a beat. I think neighborhoods like Grafield Ridge would be doomed, only because it rationally has grown because of the city worker and not in spite of them. I am sure their are other neighborhoods on the northside that may suffer a bit.
If there is a time to abandon it, it is now. It would not hurt the city and it would allow freedom and a different lifestyle for so many families. Just make sure you are on time for work......because you will be sparred then.

11/30/2005 06:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Everybody talking about investments, there are people on this job who aren't married with kids and homes (yet) and especially on the southside you gotta be a near millionaire to find a house and send kids to school, becuase a public grammar school will work, but not a high school.

11/30/2005 06:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Get used to jackass jr. he will be your next mayor.

11/30/2005 06:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bobbie Rush could not be mayor. He is going to be evicted from his house that he has not paid a mortgage on since july. No city address no city job..

11/30/2005 06:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

MEDICAL CHECK....."Sarge go to Indiana and check on this P.O.

11/30/2005 06:16:00 PM  
Blogger surlypenguin said...

Residency as always been a hot button topic with me and the last time a FOP rep visited our watch,I again brought it up to him. After avoiding the question his only response seemed to be that retirees outvote active members and as such, their concerns are the ones being addressed. Because they are not really concerned about the residency requirement, either is the FOP. It won't be an issue with them until WE make it an issue by voting.

11/30/2005 06:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In response to 01:21

As someone on the Fire Dept side of the picture, this topic is discussed frequently in the Firehouse. How much this has been discussed within the executive board of the union is another matter of question.

Among the guys at my house, we feel it would be a good start to go with no residency after 20 years. Both of our contracts have made efforts to shift step raises to 25 years. I'm assuming that the next effort will to bring this to down to 20 years in upcoming negotiations.

In our discussions, the time frame of 20 years (a smaller percentage of our personnel currently meet the requirement)would prevent the drastic exodus which would cause home values to plummet.

There would be a percentage who would just outright retire & leave. But, looking at the representative situations just within our house, there are some who would not immediately jump at the opportunity.

In light of the openings made by retirees, new hires would be in the market for those homes.

On our end, the city has been pushing for a change of shift. I, and several others would be willing to make the change if we were to get residency dropped.

Here's the perfect point to get BOTH unions together to get it done.

11/30/2005 06:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

1631 says......Listening to all you punk ass bitches, I keep wondering where did all of the real men go. Apparently not on the CPD, except of course for mr. macho hands himself, phillip j. kline.

11/30/2005 06:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
MEDICAL CHECK....."Sarge go to Indiana and check on this P.O.

11/30/2005 06:16:16 PM

I suspect the day is comming when all lower ranking Chicago cops will be forced to wear those ankle bracelets like Martha Stewart. Can I get one in pink or gold please???

11/30/2005 07:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Being a police officer and a taxpayer in this city, I have two comments. As an officer I took this job knowing that I would have to live in the city. This is one of the greatest cities in the world. I am proud to live in it, and I am proud to be employed by its government. As a taxpayer I want my tax dollars staying in the city. If this city is good enough to work for than it is good enough to live in. If not, do what many other officers have done, and seek employment in a suburban department. Also the union has to make a better arguement with the city and eventually the arbitrator that this city is more expensive to live in than other areas of the country. Our raises our essentially cost of living increases tied to the national inflation rate. This city has housing expenses that is double the national average, our compensation should reflect that. The city has to recognize that. It will force them to either lift the residency rule or compensate their employees so they can afford the escalating housing costs. A new officer who does not currently own property is in a tough spot, and this leaves our department open to corruption.

11/30/2005 07:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

we are not NY and LA those cities are made up of either boroughs or other towns themselves. We have neighborhoods which dont even come close population, or politcally independent wise to those other places. The residency requirement is good, keeps those pussies scared to live in the city from attempting to protect it. Forget all that bullshit about wanting to raise you children in a better place, there is no better place than the city. We get paid good money, be smart invest and buy yourself some land and make a ton of money. How about city loan discounts for cops who want to buy property it doesnt get any better. Anyone who wants to move must be faggot!!!

11/30/2005 07:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

about 2 years ago the peoria pd asked for residency to be lifted........the arbitrator agreed. needless to say the city council went nuts but they got it. first 5 years of career live in peoria. the upper echelon of the department must reside in the city. if you are promoted, guess what you move back

11/30/2005 07:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Anonymous said...
Being a police officer and a taxpayer in this city, I have two comments. As an officer I took this job knowing that I would have to live in the city. This is one of the greatest cities in the world. I am proud to live in it, and I am proud to be employed by its government. As a taxpayer I want my tax dollars staying in the city. If this city is good enough to work for than it is good enough to live in. If not, do what many other officers have done, and seek employment in a suburban department.
"

You also took the job at less money than you did now, housing cost less of a percentage of your income than it does now, healthcare was provided without a co-payment, you were reasonably sure of the stability of your pension.

All of these things have changed.

Get with the times. Just because you signed on knowing you would have to live in the city, I signed on expecting health care when I retired and a fully funded pension fund.

We will see whether we take a hit on our pensions.

Times change. The City Changes. We Change.

11/30/2005 07:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

7:44 You are the best. This is a great city, and we get the luxury of making it and our investment better. Those that want to move out, please do us all a favor - quit and move. I won't have to hear your crying, and bitching; the working police will be much better without you.

11/30/2005 07:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

FINALLY A SUBJECT WORTH BITCHING ABOUT. YOU CITY LOVERS CAN LIVE IN THE CITY AFTER THE REST OF US BUG OUT AND PUT OUR KIDS IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS THAT WE THE REAL TAX PAYERS CAN USE.

HEY DONAHUE WHAT HAPPENED TO THE STIPEND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OBVIOUSLY HE HAS FORGOTTEN HOW EXPENSIVE CATHOLIC SCHOOLS ARE !!!

ANY DOPES WHO LIKE LIVING IN THIS GHETTO CITY CAN STAY HERE JUST BECAUSE RESIDENCY GETS LIFTED DOESN'T MEAN YOU GOTTA LEAVE. STAY ENJOY ALL THE AMENITIES THE CITY HAS TO OFFER ..... LIKE A NICE 25 FOOT WIDE LOT OR THE LOVELY GRAPHITI AND LITTER EVERY WHERE OR PERHAPS TAKE THE KIDS DOWN TO HUMBOLDT PARK FOR THE NICE SUMMER FESTIVAL....

OUR RIGHTS AND OUR FAMILIES RIGHTS TO LIVE WHERE WE WANT ARE BEING VIOLATED!!!!!!!!!!!!

WE NEED NEW REPRESENTATION IN THE FOP TO LEAD US INTO A NEW ERA!!

VOTE FOR STAN KUS THE MAN
WITH THE PLAN

11/30/2005 07:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I SUPPOSE ALL THE PRIVATE COMPANIES AND ALL THEIR EMPLOYEES THAT WORK IN CHICAGO WHO MAKE A HELL OF A LOT MORE MONEY THAN A
FLAT FOOTED COP SHOULD HAVE TO LIVE IN THE CITY AS WELL, WOULDN'T THAT MAKE A GREAT HEADLINE
MOVE BACK IN THE CITY OR YOU CAN'T WORK HERE NO MORE!!!!!!!!

11/30/2005 08:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I SUPPOSE ALL THE PRIVATE COMPANIES AND ALL THEIR EMPLOYEES THAT WORK IN CHICAGO WHO MAKE A HELL OF A LOT MORE MONEY THAN A
FLAT FOOTED COP SHOULD HAVE TO LIVE IN THE CITY AS WELL, WOULDN'T THAT MAKE A GREAT HEADLINE
MOVE BACK IN THE CITY OR YOU CAN'T WORK HERE NO MORE!!!!!!!!

11/30/2005 08:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

IF THIS CITY IS SO GREAT MEATHEAD THEN WHYARE THE MOST AFFLUENT AREAS OUTSIDE THE CITY IE BARRINGTON,WILLMETE,LAKE FOREST HINSDALE.....ETC

DUHHHHHHHHHHHH

CAUSE THEY DON'T WANNA LIVE IN THIS NASTY SEWER WE CALL HOME.

TAKE A TRIP OUT OF TOWN ONCE IN YOUR LIFE AND MAYBE THAT WILL OPEN YOUR EYES UP AND YOU CAN SEE HOW MUCH NICER OTHER TOWNS ARE!!!

11/30/2005 08:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I SUPPOSE ALL THE MOPES WHO ARE LIVING PAYCHECK TO PAYCHECK CAN'T AFFORD AN UPGRADE BUT YOU DON'T SPEAK FOR ALL OF US.

GET US OUT OF CHICAGO!!!!!!!!!!

11/30/2005 08:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

IF YOU LOVE LIVING IN THE CITY RAISE YOUR WAND


( SILENCE )


IF YOU WANT OUT SAY I

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I WOULD SAY THE I'S HAVE IT...

11/30/2005 08:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well let's get the ball rolling then.

call mark donaghue

at fop

tell the unit reps

tell jesse jr

tell wgn

get the word out

11/30/2005 08:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This thread is so typical of this blog: A lot of talk about doing something, i.e., calling the fop, changing legislation, calling the your State rep, blah, blah, blah. Come tomorrow, next week, next year, nothing will have been done by you loudmouths except post an anonymous message.

You are all pathetic.

11/30/2005 08:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Great City, but I'd move too said...

Point #1: The law states that residency is not a MANDATORY issue to be arbitrated. It can be negotiated, but in the case of "any municipality with a population over 1,000,000" (only Chicago), not subject to an arbitrator's decision.

Point #2: The excuse "in case of emergency, you must live in the city" is nonsense. I haven't seen the plans being drawn up by sullivan at OEMC, but I can guarantee that if anything large-scale happens here, the inbound lanes will be clear, allowing easy access to all the incoming police and fire personnel.

Point #3: What exactly are you willing to give up for lifting the residency requirement?

11/30/2005 08:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous too said...

hey pathetic

you're anonymous too

way to enlighten us with your waste of space

11/30/2005 08:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

7:16 Must be an idiot from East Side smelling to much fumes from the steel mills ooops! there are no more mills. Indiana? BYE BYE!

11/30/2005 08:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"OUR RIGHTS AND OUR FAMILIES RIGHTS TO LIVE WHERE WE WANT ARE BEING VIOLATED!!!!!!!!!!!!"

gimme a break- your "rights are being violated"- last time I checked you could move if you wanted to- just get a new job...

11/30/2005 08:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is way off topic, but does anyone know the condition of Commander Murphy or Cronin? Just curios.

11/30/2005 09:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have heard the issue of residency was put on the table during the last fire contract talks. At least the issue is being discussed. If residency is so important then possibly a stipend of some sort.

11/30/2005 09:19:00 PM  
Anonymous f.l.o.p. house blues said...

EXACTLY 09:19 PM! APPARENTLY THAT'S TOO MUCH TO ASK OF OUR SPA-PAMPERED, TANNED AND MANICURED GOLF-JUNKET "UNION" OFFICIALS. THEY ARE HOUSE-TRAINED SO WELL THEY'LL N-E-V-E-R BRING RESIDENCY TO THE TOP OF THE LIST ON OUR BEHALF- IT WOULD VIOLATE T-H-E-I-R CONTRACT WITH THE MASTER. (THEY'RE D-O-N-E BEING LIKE U-S; THEY WANT TO BE LIKE H-I-M AND HIS ILK NOW. SOCIAL CLIMBERS, SILK SHIRT AND LINENS!)

"MASSA' DALEY DONE TOLD US THIS HERE MOVIN' AWAY AIN'T NO DAMN GOOD!" "AN' WHAT MASSA' DALEY SEZ, G-O-E-S!" "I CAN'TS RETIRES FROM DIS F.L.O.P. HOUSE SPOT WITHOUT BEIN "SET FOR LIFE" NOW... YOU WANNA GO GET'S US IN TROUBLE WITH THE MASSA' WE GONNA CATCH A WHIPPIN', BOY!"

( HI HAROLD!, I MEAN MARK & CITY-WIDE II ! - 08:26 PM! )

11/30/2005 09:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP SAYING USE THIS AS A BARGAINING AGAINST SOMETHING ELSE?????

NOTHING SHOULD BE LOST IN GAINING THE REMOVAL OF RESIDENCY. THE REASON IT IS THERE IS BECAUSE IT IS A STATE LAW. WE HAVE BOTH LEGESLATIVE AND POLITICAL COMMITTEES IN THE FOP HAVE THEM DO THEIR JOB AND GET THE LAW CHANGED. IT SHOULD NEVER BE USED IN CONTRACT NEGOTATIONS IN WHICH WE GIVE UP SOMETHING FOR LIFTING THIS

11/30/2005 10:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe we should ask Capt Cynthia White how it is to live outside the city...she earned it ya know!!

11/30/2005 10:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OFF TOPIC.....Any particular reason our uniform allowance is not included in our direct deposit for Dec 1....??

11/30/2005 10:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

the city gives us a bullshit raise then the irish midget raises taxes,city stickers,fees,fines,etc.. and gets that raise all back from us. then the best part of it all he thens flips the script and tells the citizens that all these increases are our fault because of union contractual obligations. nope,let me keep my raise and live where i can get more bang for my buck.END RESIDENCY NOW!!!!!!!!!

11/30/2005 10:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Time to retire said...

Why was there a 016th Dist car writing the working man tickets at 5900 N. Oriole tonight at 1700hrs? Lazy fuck was sitting on a stop sign, tucked down a side street with his lights off waiting for people to not come to a complete stop. I passed him once and thought he was just doing paper or something, then on the way back from Walgreen's, I see he has a normal looking guy in a Blazer stopped. I mentioned it to my wife and she said he's been playing the same stop sign for the last week or so at that time.

Now I'm all for actually SEEING my beat car on my beat...one of the first times in the 6 years that I have lived in that particular area. But come on! Why the hell would you sit on a side street in an area where every other house is either a copper or fireman and wait for someone to roll the stop sign on a side street? How about at least moving over to Higgins, Talcott or Canfield and ticketing one of the boom box cars driving down those streets, or at least fucking with the people who drive 70mph on those same streets?

I don't know why I'm so aggravated by this. Something to do with two young , Chicago coppers in stealth mode playing a stop sign in this area, then stopping a middle aged white guy in a decent vehicle has me all crazy. Maybe I'me being too harsh.

Tomorrow I'm going to bring them some coffee and thank them for keeping the neighborhood safe from all those crazed middle aged dads on the way home from work!

11/30/2005 11:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No better place to raise your kids, what are smoking fucking crack? Send your kids to your local public school where they are bussing in shithead/gangbanger kids from other neighborhoods so they can go to school with your kids? Or you can pay 10,000 a year for your kid to go to an average high school when they can get a 10 times better education without the cost or the gangbangers? We live in the city because we have to! not because we want to! It doesnt matter if you live in 016 or 008, the shitheads and gangbangers are everywhere because of section 8 and lack of police. When was the last time you heard of kids bringing guns to school, drive byes, armed robbery, or CSA in St. Charles or Lake Zurich? The City is for the rich and retarded, and for the people who want to do nothing except sponge of the citys democratic way of life.

11/30/2005 11:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

CPS....................Need I say more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

11/30/2005 11:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Chicago's the best..........where else can you pay $375.00 for a two bedroom condo or $525.00 for a 3 bedroom colonial! My kind of town, who would want to live in the suburbs where $350.00 would get you a decent sized house with normal taxes and wait,,,, seriously...............an outstanding PUBLIC EDUCATION at minimal cost! Wow,, a brick house under $375.000, good public education minus the gangbangers and retards, no thanks,,, Ill pay my $575.00 for a 3 bedroom colonial w/ 1 bath and no garage and pay $12,000 a year for an average high school education, and dont forget my property TAXES !!!!!!!!! what a deal!

11/30/2005 11:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm not comparing these schools to CPS, but check out the gang problems and drug problems at the local suburban schools. Really no worse than CPS in that respect. I'm speaking specifically northwest ( Park Ridge, Niles, Des Plaines, Morton Grove, Schiller Park, Franklin Park, Oak Park, etc...).

The grass is NOT greener on the other side all the time. Teenagers are going to be teenagers. You can't compare Maine East to Dunbar, but it's crime problems are probably worse than Taft's!

11/30/2005 11:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You guys obviously haven't looked at the taxes for the surrounding suburbs lately! They are insane!

Yeah, maybe a move to Mokena will save you from the tax monster for a few years...unitl they start building schools like crazy and quadruple the taxes like they have done at many other outlying suburbs!

11/30/2005 11:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Last time I checked suburban Police Departments were not sending 4-5 squads to their high schools at dismissal time, face it, Chicago public schools are full of gang bangers who the city forces to be there, FACT: everyday at Stienmetz, Shurz, Taft, every HS in 015,011,007 have to send several gang and marked cars to the dismissal times of each school! They dont do that in the suburbs! Kids in the suburbs do drugs because their parents have too much money, not because their parents sit at home on SSI and bag up and sell dope! You are comparing apples to oranges, Average ACT score from the suburburbs vs the city? Chimps score an average higher than that of the average city scholar. LIFE in the suburbs is in fact better! there is no comparison, any store you go to has better, nicer, more qualified staff, not some hype or drug dealer they have to employ! Most importantly, you can go to the store without seeing some con you have arrested before!

11/30/2005 11:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I know the Officers Union for the Fire Dept. tried to fight residence back in the '80s, and you see how far they got! King Richies power goes far beyond the city limits, and I want to move at least 1 mile past where his power ends! We need to pick up where CFD left off, we need to get CFD, Streets & San, School Teachers, and every other poor bastard that works for the city together and do something! But as you can see in half of the blogs posted all over this site; WE CANT EVEN GET ALONG WITH OURSELVES! HOW THE FUCK DO YOU THINK WE ARE GOING TO GET ALONG WITH SOME OTHER CITY AGENCY!
Do you honestly think that Daley or the aldermen are afarid of us? FUCK NO, because they too know this fact! Say, just for fun, we stop wrighting tickets to slow down the revenue a little, you know good and god-damn well that the minute the W/C started bitching, some suck-hole is going to drop to his/her knees an start wrighting them! We cant seem to stay together as a department! WTF???- or am I wrong?

11/30/2005 11:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No shit! Gurnee went from average $2500 taxes to average $8000 in 5 years because they built new schools and infastructure to handle the housing boom!

Chicago is hardly a bargain, but unless you are looking farther south than Joliet, taxes are gonna kick your ass sooner or later!

As far as Maine East or South goes, regardless of any other problems, you can't argue that the ciriculum and teachers are far beyond most CPS programs! Taft may have some new International Baccalaurate program, but the fact is that most of the teachers are still shit, and a good teacher makes all the differenct in the world!

11/30/2005 11:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

stop at the stop sign and nobody has to worry about a ticket.just because you have a job and pay taxes you get a free pass or do you mean dont write white people go hammer people of color?

12/01/2005 12:12:00 AM  
Anonymous 29 and a day almost said...

If i was protecting my family Id have a second gun for more than one reason and allow my wife to use it at least in the home.

Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6

12/01/2005 12:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Malcolm X's liitle brother said...

Gentlemen, and ladies too,

We all know why the residency requirement shall never be lifted. It is to assure the "better" neighborhoods remain European-American. These areas receive the best of city services while African-American areas receive the left-overs.

And please, do not tell me most of the police are in African-American areas. If the European-American forefathers had given persons of color an equal opportunity the "Great Divide" would not exist.

Face it, because of European-American ignorance they are to blame for crime, nevertheless, it shall continue so persons of color are held back.

12/01/2005 12:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

if this department is so bad, and this city is so bad, as many are leading us to believe, quit and leave. you'll be doing all a service. but don't forget to go and buy 5 years worth of food and water.

i hate to spoil the secret, but there are other police departments. so, go apply for harvey or skokie pd. you can live anywhere you want, in illinois, if you work there.

12/01/2005 02:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

waaaaaaaaaaaaaa
waaaaaaaaaaaaa
waaaaaaaaaaaaa

i want to move back to the suburbs where i lived up to the day i started the academy and the city won't let me.

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
waaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
waaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

12/01/2005 02:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

2:17:09

You cannot get away with being a dog-ass copper, working straight days in a suburban department. Many suburban departments pay more than Chicago, but they actually want you show some productivity to justify your existence.

As far as the better recruit argument, I have seen applicants from all over the country applying to Chicago. The city does not have a problem finding competent recruits. Funding is the problem. I guess they should raise the taxes.

IDEA:
If you consistently make 180+ felony arrests in a year, you can live outside the city boundaries?

Also:
The P.O.s working in the working districts get paid hazard pay?

12/01/2005 02:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Dog ass and loving it said...

Looks like im stuck in the city cause I havent made 180 felony arrests in 7 years, oh well bring on the 1st and 16th suckers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

12/01/2005 03:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
No shit! Gurnee went from average $2500 taxes to average $8000 in 5 years because they built new schools and infastructure to handle the housing boom!

-------

That's fine. I'll pay 8000 if I can use the public shools! How much is Cath Grammar? My old HS want 8000 for a year! Why are we paying taxes?

12/01/2005 03:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We all took "the job" knowing the requirements. It is not just a job, it is a "career". That is where the problem is. Some people just took "the job" to get a check and get away from the fry machine or the cubicle. They are "usually" the biggest crybabies. The guy that keeps bringing his wife into the picture is corrcet about one thing....she has already suffered enough. She married you. Grow/get a pair of balls or quit. I am sure that there are a lot of other people that can file your papers without hurting themselves. Education does not start in a building, it starts at home (go St. Pats). There is no price to high to pay to ensure that your children get the best of everything.

12/01/2005 05:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

GLOVES in 009 RULES!!!

12/01/2005 05:34:00 AM  
Blogger anonymous said...

95% of you took this job because it paid more than what you were currently making. Stop your bitching or quit and go back to Fed Ex. Lets not pretend your more qualified than you are. When you jumped up and down because the thought of making a whopping $60,000, you didnt care about the residency rule. Most of you just bitch and moan because you know in your hearts this is as good as its going to get. Its a great job.. Take it as it is.

12/01/2005 06:17:00 AM  
Anonymous notahousemouse said...

If you consistently make 180+ felony arrests in a year,

Cool, and dope doesn't count right? How about dope under a kilo doesn't count. ROFL. Guess all you boys from 011 and 007 will be sticking around the city after all.

12/01/2005 07:35:00 AM  
Anonymous notahousemouse said...

Tomorrow I'm going to bring them some coffee and thank them for keeping the neighborhood safe from all those crazed middle aged dads on the way home from work!

Well tell them thanks from someone who is sick and tired of Oriole being used like an extension of the Kennedy. NO ONE stops at any of those stops signs. I do, and usually get someone laying on their horn behind me.

I used to play the sign at the Harlem exit from the Kennedy for my movers. Now I just write tickets when I get the 2-3 T/A I get assigned.

Don't worry, it probably wasn't the working man he was writing a ticket to, it was probably some guy from the suburbs.

12/01/2005 07:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think the guy who wrote the article is a copper Theres a Sgt with that name that works at 35th st

12/01/2005 07:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Know for a fact the letter author is on the job.

12/01/2005 08:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Westcide Dog said...

Malcolm Y,
Still here I see. How's the race baiting business Mr. Rush? Anyway, Here's a little retort to your Blank Panther mind set.

"We all know why the residency requirement shall never be lifted. It is to assure the "better" neighborhoods remain European-American. These areas receive the best of city services while African-American areas receive the left-overs."

If I'm not mistaken this has been a free country for over 200 years. I'm also not mistaken that if you are a city worker you can live in any area of the city you'd like. Go ahead, it's not hard to find a house where I live. You have to be prepared though to find that my fat assed alderman could care less about fixing the sewers in my ward. (Let alone getting the garbage picked up on a regular basis.) As far as the left-overs are concerned you ought to realize that beats are made up from calls for service and crime. You find the largest beats in the NW and SW sides (less police service) where as the west and south sides have the smallest beats. (More police service). So now who gets the leftovers?

"And please, do not tell me most of the police are in African-American areas. If the European-American forefathers had given persons of color an equal opportunity the "Great Divide" would not exist"

I do recall there is something called "equal opportunity". You have the same right to a job as I do. You even get preferential treatment in getting it because of this unequal system. They even went as far as "race norming" during previous promotional exams. So now who has more of an advantage to the system? You do. Come on , admit it. The "White Guilt" complex has put you in a better spot that I can even imagine.

"Face it, because of European-American ignorance they are to blame for crime, nevertheless, it shall continue so persons of color are held back"

Read the previous paragraph again. Then realize when you point the finger of racism and bigotry, there are several fingers pointing back at you.

Don't hate the player, hate the game.

12/01/2005 09:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My Brother works for CPS as a stationary eng. and he got a letter telling him that he could move out of the city. And he did! I guess after you have like 7 years on you can do that. Why hasn't that same perk been extended to everyone? Hardly seems fair.

12/01/2005 09:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To 11/30/05 6:02PM-Can you cite the Illinois statute regarding the residency? Can't seem to find it thru the state statute website. Thanks.

12/01/2005 09:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If residency was lifted then all the cry babies could whine about how long it took to drive from Plano, or Huntley. They could also bitch about the $20 a day they are spending on gas driving to work.
On top of that $8000-10,000 tax bill you can add $200 a month for water and sewer. $50 a month for garbage pick-up which many suburbs have contracted out. $150 a month for your subdivision homeowners association to cut the grass, and plant flowers in the common areas (Daley isn't the only one with the planter fetish). $400 a year per kid for school fees at your "free" public school. But just remeber, your grass will be greener (how much is Chemlawn for that huge lot?).

12/01/2005 09:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://b4.boards2go.com/boards/board.cgi?action=read&id=1133413596&user=Squadman

Got the firefighters attention too. Come on S$S!! You're next!

12/01/2005 10:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why would any copper be against removing the restricion? Whats the difference? Ahh Yes!!! They just bought their frame Hill-Billy hide away in Mt. Greenwood in the last couple of years, after prices went through the roof. Afraid that they will lose their asses because the price will go back down from $300k to a realistic 150K, just like when there was more than one white neighborhood on the southside. Well my friends,think ahead. How long till HE takes over your neighborhood too? Then where will you go?

12/01/2005 10:42:00 AM  
Anonymous 8 more to go . . . . . said...

I have to be honest here - many of you don't realize the benefits of living in the city - I love it and don't plan on leaving any time soon. As for tuition - get smart people - there are some outstanding public schools here in the city - do your homework as a parent and find it!! Both my kids graduated from Whitney Young - best four years of their lives!!
And there are plenty more schools just like it in the city - find them!!
And, if you want to run to the suburbs, go, enjoy your
two hour drive in each day! get ready for higher taxes and water bills, the lack of decent public transportation, libraries, theatres, museums etc.
Corruption and crime don't stop at the city limits - its everywhere.
This is a beautiful city!! If you've traveled to other large cities you would appreciate CHICAGO! It's unfortunate that our jobs cause us to only see the "bad" - open your eyes to the rest!

12/01/2005 11:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

what young copper who just bought a ridiculously overpriced house in 022 or 016 is going to want residency to change???? they are not goingt o get their 350,000 back for their little shit raised ranch. or what about the old timers in the copper neighborhoods??? who are they going to rip off...i mean sell their house to when they retire and move to the suburbs? if the city gets rid of residency, a lot of coppers will lose the money they wasted on the houses they were forced to buy in the city

12/01/2005 12:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

11:08 Your name should be "8 More to go and really need to sell my ranch that I bought in 1983 for $68,000 for $325,000 to some chump so that I can enjoy my retirement" Either that or you live in a different Chicago than me. I really want my kid to have to take the Red Line Zoo train and a couple of buses for an hour and a half to go to Whitney Young?

12/01/2005 12:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To some of the bloggers. R u blind???? The most expensive areas in the city of Chicago have few or no city employees at all living in it unless they r renting. 75% of the force has to live in 008,016, or 022. The most expensive places to live r in 001,018,019,and 023. The new near S. Side is also out of a PO's reach. Hell a nice house that is move in ready 008,016, and 022. Is out of a PO's reach unless they don't plan on eating or having any kids.

The city would be fine without us. Suburbanites everywhere want to live here. Let them.

12/01/2005 01:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I thought one of the reasons to keep police in the city is so the citizenry would be safer? With armed off duty police in the neighborhood, wouldn't everyone feel better knowing they could take action if needed?

Except now the court of public opinion (at least the recent Sun-Times article) is shifting away from the off duty copper being armed. And the way a lot of people treat you (Yes, I've made several off duty arrests and in a few cases you're treated with bewilderment) when you make an off duty arrest the liability issue is looming over your head. "Why didn't you call the on duty police?" is asked of you. What liability issues are there?

The way things are, most coppers feel to get involved with anything more than dialing 911 is asinine. Short of someone's life being lost, most coppers won't do a damn thing.

Answer: There is no answer. Lord Daley will never rescind the residency requirement, not if you had him by the shorthairs and pictures of him and a goat. Anyone who really wants to see the residency lifted will have to wait until Lord Daley retires from office. Otherwise, good luck finding a place to live that won't take your entire paycheck.

12/01/2005 01:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I saw a mention of the crook, I mean snitch, I mean gang enthusiast, I'm sorry its C. White. It reminded me of something a friend of mine who is a S. Suburban Copper told me. He told me in his suburb there has to be at least 20 CPD 1's living in his burb.

It obviously doesn't affect their employment even though I wish they would all get caught and fired. Why can't the rest of us jump on the bandwagon? The city knows there r hundreds of cops not living in the city. Schools cost to much. Whats fair is fair. As one blogger said. If you work in the city do you have to live here? The answer is no. The 1st and 18th dist get massive amounts of police coverage for places that have little violent crime. They r the home of big business. They get what they want. Meanwhile 022 and 016 go without more police.

Any idiot can add 1 and 1. We would crush the city in front of an arbitrator. As another blogger said. U might live closer to your dist of assignment living in the burbs than the city. How about a new dick who is assigned to Area 2 when they live in 016. He or she will be a big help with their 2 hour drive in an emergency. The city can't stand on that leg.

12/01/2005 01:24:00 PM  
Anonymous 8 more to go . . . . . said...

to 12:43
you must have missed something in my post - I'm not selling! Maybe I do live in a different part of the city than you do -
as for schools - it was just an example - there are other high schools that are just as good or better that Whitney. Do your homework

12/01/2005 01:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

waaaaa wwaaaaaaa waaaaaaa waaaaaa
i want to work in the big bad city but i cant possibly live there!
boo hooo
hand in your i.d and leave!!

12/01/2005 02:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

more to go . . . . . said...
to 12:43
you must have missed something in my post - I'm not selling! Maybe I do live in a different part of the city than you do -
as for schools - it was just an example - there are other high schools that are just as good or better that Whitney. Do your homework

12/01/2005 01:30:16 PM

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OK, fine, we heard you, now shut the fuck up.

Stay in your 80 year old 2 bedroom ranch that you spent way too much on. This issue isn't about YOU, dickhead. This issue is about US. What's better for US? Not just YOU. If you want to send your kid to W.Y., great, *If I don't I shouldn't HAVE TO!* Do you get it yet, you selfish prick?

12/01/2005 02:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What if you worked for Ford and you could only own a Ford? Or...what if you worked for General Motors and could only own a GM product? Or....what if you worked for Kellogs and could only buy Kellogs cereals? Or....if you worked for Proctor and Gamble and could only use their products? Or....worked at Sears and were forbidden from shopping at Wal-Mart?

This is part of the logic behind residency. You work here, you live here. Unfortunately, that was the rule when we took the job, so we can't cry about it now. It would be nice however if we could talk about it in the future. But the King of Chicago will never listen, so why bother? If you took the job with the residency rule, it's OK to try to change it, but don't whine if you can't.

12/01/2005 02:42:00 PM  
Anonymous leftisthebest said...

To 9:01 post from 01 DEC:

In your retort to "Macolm X's little brother" you state this has been a free country for 200 years. Yes it has, but only for certain folks and persons of color have not been part of the process. In fact, they have been left out until the past 30 years or so. You really don't believe the minority has been able to "lift themselves by their bootstraps" crap you learned in school do you?


You state "unequal treatment" for jobs, is now in favor of African-Americans. Do you complain blacks and Hispanics were systemically closed out of jobs for 200 years?

I am personally glad little Malcolm has come on board. It gives Shady and myself a chance to take a break every once and awhile in the battle against conservatism.

12/01/2005 03:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Uhm, what if you worked for the police department and were expected to obey and enforce the law? I'm opposed to residency requirements, but that might be a better fit for the Ford/Kellogg analogy. Needless to say, some in the department don't feel that they are expected to obey and enforce the law.

To you doubters, I DOUBLE DOG DARE you to arrest Mayor McKickbacks. That'll teach him for making you be his neighbors and campaign contributors (via, e.g., city contract kickbacks!).

Up and at em boys!

12/01/2005 03:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

all these guys calling p.o.'s scared to live in the city are idiots. if you read the blogs no one is saying that if the residency rule was lifted you would have to move out of the city.if you want to stay god bless you,but because you might wish to stay some of us may wish to leave. i would like the opportunity to research different towns out there and if i were to find one that would benefit my family, i would like the opportunity to make the move,its that simple

12/01/2005 04:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

and it's all about choice, the opportunity to choose where to live....

12/01/2005 04:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

3:12 Yeah they would have been better off left in Africa, dying of AIDS or starving (they don't have SSI and Link in Rawanda).We have paid our reparations many times over. No one in my family was even in this country during the days of slavery. In this day and age a black man with equal education has the same oppurtunity (if not more) as a white man. Teach a man to fish, he'll eat for a lifetime. Give a brother a crutch, and he'll beat you to death with it and steal your wallet.

12/01/2005 04:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

amen 4:30 - those who want to explore other towns/cities should be able to do so! also, what if we choose to live, say, Indiana, Michigan or Wisconsin? Would that be ok too? Just asking

12/01/2005 05:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To 05:05

Yes, I'd love to move to Indiana or Wisconsin and come in to work in the city.

I'd bid for my assignment closest to wherever I went.

12/01/2005 06:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

thats a little extreme, i say a 100 mile radius is reasonable. the avg. speed limit is 55mph which comes out to 2hr commute to/from

12/01/2005 06:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Westcide Dog said...

Lefty, Shady, Malcolm Y, (I'd hit the meds if I were you with that many split personalities. I'll just call you ShLaMaY for brevity's sake.) Here we go again...

"...In fact, they have been left out until the past 30 years or so. You really don't believe the minority has been able to "lift themselves by their bootstraps" crap you learned in school do you?"

So what you're saying then is that people/folks of color weren't able to get decent jobs until the Liberalus Americanus came onto the scene in the 70's? Please do a little research before you make a statement. Do us all a favor and learn to read something other than Hillary Clinton's fiction. Minorities have ALWAYS been in this country and a majority of these minorities have adapted, adopted and overcome their struggles. Racism and bigotry is colorblind. Shady O'Grady could enlighten himself by asking those before him what the Irish were regarded in this country.The founder and editor of the Tribune wrote scathing articles demanding the "scum and dregs of Europe" be sent back to their homeland to be re-enslaved by the Brits. (At least here in the US a slave was 5/8ths of a person whereas in England the Irish only counted as a half a man!) How about N.I.N.A.? No Irish Need Apply? Learn a little Chicago history from around the 1840's and 50's where the "real whites" fled when an Irish family moved into the neighborhood. Sound familiar? So I say to Malcolm, adapt, adopt, overcome and quit bitchin' about it and do something instead!

"You state "unequal treatment" for jobs, is now in favor of African-Americans. Do you complain blacks and Hispanics were systemically closed out of jobs for 200 years?"

As usual you missed the blatant point made in my rant. Since there was undeniable discrimination made in the past, the playing field was assumed to be made level. Level to the point where there is overcompensation in minority quotas. Whats wrong with hiring a qualified person? Not making a person more qualified because of their sex, race, or sexual preference. Is that wrong in asking that everybody be treated equally? I'm sorry but I don't have a case of the "White Guilt" and neither will my children.

How many more years of "reparations" and "White Guilt" overcompensation will be paid to minorities through inept broken social experiments before they finally say enough?

Don't hold your breath ShLaMaY. You might turn as Blue as this state.

12/01/2005 06:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Westcide Dog said...

ShLeMaY,

Sorry I forgot one last thing. Hispanics have bascially inhabited the West and Southwest of this country well before the white man ever set foot there. They established themselves and have continually builtupon that foundation since the 1700's. Remember, Spain owned and occupied what is now California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas,....etc.

12/01/2005 06:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ShLeMaY,

You're a poor excuse for a human being when you pose as a blackman making race baiting posts. I'd lay off the word "foolhardy" if I were you Lefty. You outed yourself.

12/01/2005 07:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Some bloggers feel that there are "very good" public schools in this city??? They obviously dont work afternoons to have to deal with every asshole fighting at dismissal time just about every day. You are double taxed if you have kids because I dont think there is any way you can send your kid to a public school. Not in good conscience anyway....

12/01/2005 09:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

11/30/2005 11:32:04 PM has a fair point- many of the neighboring suburbs schools are not exactly NEW TRIER or better caliber... but that being well said and all... 86 the friggin residency or vote out our current representation for failure to do so. Sure we'll probably hear the same excuses from the next bunch of slimy aspiring pols, but at least it'll feel good enforcing term limits on these current house lice. And at least Dollar Bill will be shaken loose from the "Current Past President" corpuscle sucking spot- G-d damn somebody eliminate that embarrassment of a position already! What a great idea; give the #1 schnook you just voted out a seat next to the till for the forseeable future... that'd be like letting Clinton watch over Bush 43's every move- preposterous!

12/01/2005 11:21:00 PM  
Anonymous DONT GIVE A FUCK! said...

I got nailed by an inspector the other day for a PLAINFIELD city sticker! Inspector was all pissed off and yelling about "you have X-ammount of days to purchase a new Chicago sticker bla, bla, bla.." I just shurgged my shoulders and told him "where the fuck do you think I live?"
The point of this whole thing is real simple kiddies: CHOICE! what am I going to loose/gain if I sold my "over-priced frame house in Mt Hill-billy-wood or Bungalow in Edison Pk, Raised Ranch sniffing jet fumes by midway"... If I can make some $$$, my ass is out of here, but If I cant, guess I'm stuck, Its not about; "waaaaa, waaaa, my pussie hurts" or I made 150 felony arrests, I'm a better cop than you, look how big my dick looks" or I dont want to live next to Malcom X's Lil Bro (I do, I think at the least it would be humorus!) I hate the smell of fried chicken/tacos/chinese food/what ever the fuck arabs eat... ITS ABOUT THE CHOICE!!! AND THE $$$!!!

12/01/2005 11:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Alice said...

The voices of shady et. al., the minority leadership, and the liberals have spoken. And to my dismay, I must agree with them. I am White, and therefor a racist.
I will conceed that the conspiracy to keep persons of ill repute out of certain areas of the city, beit by pure racism, or the practice of pricing them out, must come to an end. open the gates, and lets all get along.
Unfortunately, as a racist, it would be irresponsible for me to allow my racist children (they are white, too) to infringe upon the lifestyles of these fine families, and to send them off to Dunbar or Austin (and that's IF they could handle the Academic load) would be a gross injustice to those fine students, who should not be subjected to distractions and physical manifistations of evil associated with kids such as mine (kids who have to live with 2 employed parents in the same house).
I fear that the only solution for Racists such as me and mine, in this effort to correct these social injustices, would be to lift the residency requirement. I will, for the sake of a better Chicago, give up my space in this city, returning only help provide a better life for those I have held back in their persuits of happiness (by arresting them).

12/02/2005 01:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

if this city sucks and you hate the department, quit and leave. i don't think the city is asking too much. if you are going to enforce the laws in chicago, then maybe you should live in chicago. this city has 3,000,000 people. i'm sure there is someone who could take your place; supercop.

12/02/2005 03:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

to malcom little's ( the real name of Malcolm x) little brother.
Not all racists have white (pink) skin.
believe it or not, some racists are black and brown skinned too

12/02/2005 03:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's funny.

Citing various department policies, (i.e. Los Angeles, New York, Detroit, etc.) versus Illinois law is ridiculous. I thought there was an education requirement for the CPD. For the inquiring minds, the law is called Home Rule, which gives the City the right to impose residency requirements. A very basic (high school level class) would enlighten the self proclaimed geniouses that the argument is invalid.

I have never come across a group that is so ill-informed and rumor mongoring as I have here.

Oh yeah, I have a JD and MBA. (Thank you taxpayers)

12/02/2005 03:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey JD

Remember Socrates Kill all the Lawyers!

Residency is a city ordinance.

The ordinance is not the point of attack.

The Public Labor Law that prevents "only" chicago from bringing the issue of residency to the bargaining table and ultimately to arbritartion IS THE POINT OF ATTACK.

If we can bring the issue of residency to the bargaining table we will have an inside track to eliminating it.

JD go to the FOP Illinois Labor Council site and the Cook County law suit on residency for county workers may enlighten you brain take a moment from your ambulance chasing routine for the holidays and no I don'd have a JD I have KMA

If you find spelling areas or grammar problems they are intentional just to help make you feel superior pea brain

12/02/2005 09:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great come back. I love the seasoned officers that know what they are talking about. That was the way to tell that paper pusher but I hope that his feelings did not get hurt to badly because he has a lot of papers to file today. Thanks again.

12/02/2005 10:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

3:47 You have a J.D. and an M.B.A..........WOWWWWW!!!! You must be at least as smart as an A.S.A. Laws, especially unfair ones, can be changed. One thing the lawmakers may conider is how other comparable municipalities approach the residency issue. Now go answer your Disturbance call Doctor, you fucking genius, and get home to your overpriced bungalow.

12/02/2005 11:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cicero PD argued that they needed to be able to move from their town and live elsewhere because the jagoffs they arrested knew where all the cops lived. They even had an incident where a copper's house was attacked by a drive by with his family home. Something like that, I don't remember the whole story. But, we need to put together those similar stories and build a case. Go to out state reps and lobby for a change. Get the rest of the city workers to join. Sign petitions. Call your Congressman. I never saw this much interest before. We all came on this job believing we had to stay in the city until we retired. The city is different now. Housing is up and us leaving won't hurt Daley or the city. Most of us will probably stay but at least we have the choice to live anywhere. That's the issue.

12/02/2005 12:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If the main concern is your son/daughters high school education I offer the following five:

1. Northside Prep
2. Walter Payton
3. Jones College Prep
4. Whitney Young
5. Lane Tech

12/02/2005 01:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The biggest loser if the residency restriction is lifted will be Cardinal George and the Catholic Church. All you scared shitless coppers who MUST send their children to Catholic schools are like money from heaven. Georg loves the residency rule all in the name of religion in fact a lot of the priests may also enjoy the benefits of the residency rule also.

12/02/2005 02:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

JD where are you??????????

12/02/2005 02:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

to 1:32

Remember this...not all the kids get the option of attending those five schools--only a very small percentage are granted entry to that "fine" educational institution whereas in some of the suburban school districts all the students get it.

12/02/2005 02:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
If the main concern is your son/daughters high school education I offer the following five:

1. Northside Prep
2. Walter Payton
3. Jones College Prep
4. Whitney Young
5. Lane Tech

12/02/2005 01:32:00 PM


First I'd scratch Lane off that list.

Honestly, how does one get into those schools? There is an entrance exam, right? Then you have to live in a certain part of the city? Will they take EVERY white kid that wants to go there or are there quotas for diversity's sake? Do I have to have a phone call to a top CPS guy? Do I have to bribe my alderman? It's still Chicago, so it CAN'T BE THAT EASY. If it was, every coppers kid would be there and the media would bitch....

Let's have the truth.

12/02/2005 05:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've been on the job for 25 years and as far as I've ever known, we're free to live wherever we want. Its a free county and the Sup. Ct., has always said that neither the courts or any other institution can restrict an individual's right to travel or live wherever he wants. So what is there to bitch about?????

Before you all say I'm crazy, you need to remember that by become CPD you waive the right to live just anywhere. You have an absolute right to live wherever you want - YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO BE A CHICAGO POLICE OFFICER!!!!!!!! Ergo, if you don't want to live in the City, resign and go elsewhere. Its that simple and that hard. . . when you took this job, you agreed to abide by its rules, if you want to live outside the City, resign or run the risk that you will be fired if you're caught. And, stop whinning!!! Accept responsibility for the decisions you have made - the City didn't force you to become a Chicago Police Officer and it won't stop you from resigning.

12/02/2005 06:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If it was up to you there would have been no improvement in the working conditions for anyone.

Your logic it was like that when you joined so your stuck with!

Are you a complete moron?

Is it possible your so grateful for any job you'll continue to take it up the ass and not complain.

Never attempt to change anything.

Maybe we should still allow the bossses to change your day off group when your weekends come around or you live on the northside your watch commander has a hard on for you because your irish and sends you to 004.

the above happened with regularity when I came on the job if I would have had your fucking attitude you would still be a counter clerk at white castle. or maybe a migrate worker picking fruit

12/02/2005 07:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Westcide Dog said...

5:20,

Here's some of the deal with the 5 great schools in the CPS.

You could attend these schools IF you live near them and meet the minimum state test scores to enter the school. No entrance exam needed.

You have a child covered under the Americans with Disabilities Act that meets the testing scores.(Doesn't have to live in the district either)

You have a child that is transferring from the private school system (catholic parochial schools, Private schools etc.) to the public system. They must meet the schools minimum requirements for the state test AND take the entrance exam.

I know I'm going to get berated on this but there are some GREAT public elementary and high schools. I pulled my youngest out of Catholic school a few years back and kick myself in the ass for not doing it sooner! The Catholic school my kid was in was not a good fit at all. They are not required to help kids with learning disabilities or ADD. The public school system is required by law to do that. My kid tested with a very high IQ but has severe ADD so needless to say I was fighting with the catholic school every day. Since he's been at his #7 ranked public school, it's been fantastic. He got his application for the 5 top schools and his counselors say he has a shot at getting into all of them.
I've sent my 2 oldest to Catholic schools (elementary and high school) and found them to be lacking in math and science instruction.

12/02/2005 09:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

5:20
don't be in such a hurry to scrath off Lane - all those schools listed are TOPS in the State! Lane included. Yes there is an entrance exam - just like every other school, and no, you don't have to live nearby - a Chicago address is all that is needed.

12/02/2005 10:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You "waive" your right to live anywhere you want.

I will bet the bank that you live in the 11th ward and your worst enemy is Shankman!

Your a political hack and your only chance for promotion is "merit"

You go on the medical every election and wear a wig and mustache to ring door bells and drive senior citizens to the polls to vote a straight ticket guess who?

You buy every ticket to a political golf event but have no idea what a birdie means.

driving a garbage truck was your grade school side job, obviously you were 21 in the 8th grade

Your a bosses fuck whore you asshole!!!

12/03/2005 03:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wouldn't mind the lift in the residency just for the simple fact I wouldn't have to dump 1/2 my check into the Catholic Schools, seeing that I don't want my son to go to school with the bused in savage (or the driven in one). Just because the animals ruined the school in their hell hole why come here and ruin ours? The requirement will never be lifted in our time though. Seeing we are the only ones in the city with legitimate plates, city stickers, and actually pay our taxes.

12/03/2005 11:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

seeing that I don't want my son to go to school with the bused in savage (or the driven in one). Just because the animals ruined the school in their hell hole why come here and ruin ours?


we are all equal now!

12/03/2005 02:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

a few years back and kick myself in the ass for not doing it sooner! The Catholic school my kid was in was not a good fit at all. They are not required to help kids with learning disabilities or ADD. The public school system is required by law to do that. My kid tested with a very high IQ but has severe ADD so needless to say I was fighting with the catholic school every day. Since he's been at his #7 ranked public school, it's been fantastic. He got his application for the 5 top schools and his counselors say he has a shot at getting into all of them.


I'm glad to hear that your kid is getting a better deal.

But what about non-special ed?

You also did not answer my questions regarding special treatments. Bribes? Phone calls? Familiy in high places? Don't blame me if I don't trust the system.

12/03/2005 02:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
5:20
don't be in such a hurry to scrath off Lane - all those schools listed are TOPS in the State! Lane included. Yes there is an entrance exam - just like every other school, and no, you don't have to live nearby - a Chicago address is all that is needed.

12/02/2005 10:28:15 PM


I know what "THEY" say, but have you driven down Western at a 3 pm?

"TOPS in the state"? TOPS in what catagories? What's their % that goes to a 4 year college? What colleges? Average ACT/SATs?

12/03/2005 02:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

FOP Donahue was presented with the idea of presenting the idea of residency to be arbitrable by Hallimen and Harej. Instead of embracing the idea Donahue has ignored Hallimen and Harej. Donahue has tried to throw out Hallimen and Harej of the union instead of listening to the membership about residency.

12/03/2005 07:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The last I heard there are less than 60,000 city workers and there are nearly 3 million citizens in the city of Chicago. If you think that we have any affect on the home values then you are in bad need of an economics lesson. The only reason that we are required to live in the city is due to Daley's belief that he gets some kind of financial return on the salary he pays us. It is truly stupid and outdated.

You could easily purchase a larger home in a safer community with free schools in numerous towns within 20 miles of the city, which is equal to the distance they made me commute, one way, to area 1(booby prise) from the north side after I was promoted.

Think about it, get away from the beast, no more dummycrats. True freedom and happiness.

12/03/2005 10:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let me tell you something about being a white male in the current political environment. My son is an honor student at St. Pat's. He took the entrace exam for Northside Prep two years ago and earned a score of 89. The cut off is 92 for male whites, what do you think it is for blacks, hispanics and asians. His score would have landed him a seat if he was anything but white male.

Lane called us and informed him that he qualified there, but I have been outside at dismissal and it was obvious that was not a realistic option.

So, I will continue to fork over the 1300 monthly to pay for my kids to go to catholic schools because the beast has destroyed the public education system is this city.

Thank you Mr Mayor and Jesse.

This is the best argument I can come up with for dropping the residency rule.

12/03/2005 10:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Let me tell you something about being a white male in the current political environment. My son is an honor student at St. Pat's. He took the entrace exam for Northside Prep two years ago and earned a score of 89. The cut off is 92 for male whites, what do you think it is for blacks, hispanics and asians. His score would have landed him a seat if he was anything but white male.


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Let's pretend we are all stupid. What do you mean "cut off for male whites"? Did they actually tell you that?? I'm not attacking you or being sarcastic. Just want to know......

12/04/2005 04:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I'm glad to hear that your kid is getting a better deal.

But what about non-special ed?

You also did not answer my questions regarding special treatments. Bribes? Phone calls? Familiy in high places? Don't blame me if I don't trust the system."

I don't blame you for not trusting the system! I still have reservations about it myself! I couldn't get clout if it was handed to me in Schaler's washroom!
No special treatments were made, offered, implied or inferred! That's what the killer part of it was for me! I keep saying to myself there has to be a catch but in the last few years one hasn't come up. I've had to revert to my Baltimore Catechism at times to teach him his Catholicism here at home but even thats not a catch to me.
As far as normal everyday ankle biters go you have to do your research first! Check out the schools at http://www.cps.k12.il.us/ and review your local school's standing statewide. These arent just fluffed up numbers generated by the CPS. I would aslo contact the school and sit down with the administration. Ask them about every concern you have regarding the public school system and that school in particular. Remember its your kid that you might send there! Get as much information as you can and ask the hard questions! You might also want to talk to someone on the Local School Council. They're a great resource for information that the school admin can't give you. Otherwise, I hear St. Johns Military Academy in Indiana gives a break to coppers. Last I heard they were running $14K a year! Good luck!

12/04/2005 09:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your not stupid, the cut off is the minimum score for placement in the school. We were told that the minimum score for a male white 92 out of 100. His score, 89 would have met the minimum for any other demographic.

Furthermor, if you compare state testing of catholic school students in Chicago to CPS students, there is a wide gap, especially in math and reading. You must ask yourself, do I want my kids going to school with mostly underachievers in the CPS or would they be better off in the suburban school system where the scores are equal or exceed the catholic school scores for free! Either way, we pay taxes that range betweem $3500 and $6000 a year for most on the northwest side and we have no viable option for public high school, short of the test-in Northside Prep and I already detailed what happened there. So, I would gladly pay up to $10,000 a year in taxes in a middle class suburb to save the nearly $13000 I already pay per year for Catholic School in Chicago. You see, it is a basic question of economics. I pay a combo of $4,000 in property taxes plus another $13,000 in tuition, that's $17,000 a year because the schools are shit. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to understand why I feel the residency rule is rediculous.

12/04/2005 10:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've heard of a city worker who went from their house in the burbs to a house they owned in the city. They would park their car in the garage and then take public transportation or another vehicle to work. The city didn't even know that was going on until that person died in their sleep in a north suburban home. Who knows, maybe some of us learned that lesson and applied it to our lives.

12/04/2005 11:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you can afford two houses, why do you need to defraud the city on the residency rule?

12/04/2005 11:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

$3500 and $6000 a year for most on the northwest side and we have no viable option for public high school, short of the test-in Northside Prep and I already detailed what happened there.

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What about Lincoln Park HS? That is CPS right? (R/O has no knowledge) Is it a magnet? Did you try there?

12/05/2005 01:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lincoln Park? I hope you're kidding. I remember responding to a near riot a couple of years ago after some thugs showed up with guns at dismissal time. You may accept crime like that in the schools but I don't. Zero tolerance is the only way to go with the schools. If the CPS would do so, Taft would be an acceptable alternative but the way it is now it may as well be Austin high.

12/05/2005 03:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I did some digging on high schools. Keep this point in mind: Chicago is the 3rd largest city in the USA. Considering this, there should be plenty of tax money coming into our public school system.

You can search this on your own if you don't believe me. I got this one from Yahoo.com: "top high schools in illinois".

http://www.rbhs.w-cook.k12.il.us/
Districtratings.pdf#search
='top%20high%20schools%20in%20illinois'

School Search A+
Statewide PSAE Ranking Profile
State Rank County School District
1 Cook New Trier Twp. HS Dist. 203
2 Lake Adlai E. Stevenson Dist. 125
3 Lake Township High School Dist. 113
4 Cook Northfield Twp. HS Dist. 225
5 Lake Lake Forest Comm. HS Dist. 115
6 DuPage Naperville CU Dist. 203
7 Logan Mt. Pulaski Comm. Unit Dist. 23
8 Lake Community HS Dist. 128
9 Peoria Dunlap CU School Dist. 323
10 DuPage Hinsdale Twp. HS Dist. 86
11 Cook Riverside Brookfield Twp. Dist. 208
12 Lake Barrington CU School Dist. 220
13 Ogle Byron Comm. Unit School Dist. 226
14 Jo Daviess River Ridge CU School Dist. 210
15 Bureau Ohio Community HS Dist. 505
16 Macon Maroa Forsyth CU School Dist. 2
17 Woodford Roanoke Benson CU School Dist. 60
18 Will Beecher CU School Dist. 200U
19 DuPage Community Unit School Dist. 200
20 Sangamon Rochester Comm. Unit School Dist. 3A
(Out of 487 School Districts)

Not one CPS or Catholic school, including the 5 that other guy offered. Look at that list again. Only 3 in Cook Cnty, NONE in Chicago.

same web site, but cut from Newsweek's list:

1. Lincoln Park 31 Chicago 3.811 51.3
2. Stevenson 86 Lincolnshire 2.884 1
3. Hinsdale Central 146 Hinsdale 2.510 2
4. New Trier 293 Winnetka 1.977 2.1
5. Lake Forest 315 Lake Forest 1.912 3.3
6. Riverside Brookfield 323 Riverside 1.882 8.5
7. Highland Park 341 Highland Park 1.856 14.2
8. Deerfield 342 Highland Park 1.853 14
9. Glenbrook South 424 Glenview 1.705 10
10. Evanston Township 429 Evanston 1.698 31.3
11. Hersey 550 Arlington Heights 1.506 5
12. Barrington 581 Barrington 1.461 7.5
13. Oak Park River Forest 600 Oak Park 1.437 11
14. Glenbrook North 628 Northbrook 1.411 2
15. Hinsdale South 642 Darien 1.395 11
16. Fremd 672 Palatine 1.365 4
17. Libertyville 680 Libertyville 1.352 3.3
18. Vernon Hills 696 Vernon Hills 1.332 1.9
19. Glenbard West 699 Glen Ellyn 1.330 7.2
20. Neuqua Valley 719 Naperville 1.311 42
(Out of 670 High Schools)

the first number is the rank if IL schools (1. = Lincoln Pk). The second number is Newsweeks rank across the country (Lincoln Pk is 31). Do you follow?

I asked above if Lincoln Pk was anygood, but it sounds like same old same old. I do not know how they got on the Newsweek list. But this should open your eyes as to what your FORCED TAXATION (not just residency) does FOR YOU.

12/05/2005 03:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I believe Chicago and Rockford are the only cities that require residency, or at least Rockford did qualify in the past under the state law.

12/05/2005 03:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

EVERYONE LOOK AT THIS WEB SITE!!!

http://www.cps.k12.il.us/

The guys that likes CPS so much gave up this site. Very interesting. On the right in blue you can find the CPS's near you AND you can also look up their test results! hahahaha

Let me give you a taste! I punched in my parents addy, where I grew up. According to the site, I should have gone to Taft:

As of 2005, there are 2397 students enrolled at TAFT HIGH.14.1% are Limited English Proficient. 59.6% are Low Income. The Daily Attendance rate is 85.9%, the Mobility rate is 19.8%, and the Truancy rate is 2.5 %.

"Mobility rate"?? is that PC for the kids that get bused in? 14.1% cant speak english in HS? what the hell were they studying in Elemntry??

Average ACT was a 17! Ugh. Back in 2001, only 50.6% of kids TOOK the ACT!!

This will make you barf:

PRAIRIE STATE ACHIEVEMENT EXAMINIATION (PSAE) RESULTS
Percent Meeting/Exceeding Standards

Composite

2001 22.7%
2002 20.9%
2003 32.2%
2004 33.6%

Ok, it's going up, great. But only one-third of students met or
exceeded the achievenment standards????

My parents paid taxes since 1972 in that area, and that where I would have gone? WHAT?

I feel sick.

12/05/2005 04:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

rockford just lost it residency law employees no longer due to arb live in the city of Rockford. Employees demanded bargaining the city of Rockford said no it went to arb and the employees won because cities cannot justify residency any longer!

12/05/2005 10:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sounds like precedence to me. Lets fight the good fight, I'm in how about you.
Even if you don't plan on running like the wind, you must believe that it is only right to drop the residency rule, for God's sake.

12/05/2005 11:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Money has nothing to do with it, it comes down to students and more importantly parents and their involvment in their childrens education. The list provided above criess of north suburban (wasps) and not suprisingly void of any black or hispanic dominated school districts.

Several years ago the Sun Times published an article the showed the amount of money the CPS spent per child compared to what the Archdioses spends. The CPS was spending over $8,000 per child compared to the $2,400 the Archioses spent per child.

Consider the return on that $8,000 investment the CPS makes on the mostly "minority" student base. They cant read, right, or communicate beyond: "do you want fries with that".

Why do you think that the catholic system gets so much more for so much less money spent. Not students, parents.

12/05/2005 11:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Greetings:

I am a 30 year veteran and I just found out some disturbing news.

For all of you who argue against the Residency Requirement saying that if the City is good enough to work in, its good enough to live in. Be careful of what you wish for.

I hear that because of all that dribble, that the City wants to eliminate or reduce your retiree pension percentages if you are not an actual resident of the City of Chicago. In other words, you cant have a mail drop in the ol' corporate limits while you retire away in Florida. It will be checked.

From what I have heard that a super secret plan is in the works. It seems the city believes as you do, that if the city is good enough to receive a pension from, its also good enough to retire in and spend your golden years in. They want you to be able to give back to the City that contributed to your pension for so many years. They want you to buy your city stickers and property taxes here not in Florida.

So a plan is in the works to amend the pension code so that it eliminates the pension for non-city residents or greatly reduces the pension benefit. The alternative plan is to argue for such a plan in the next negotiations

Be careful how much you argue for the residency requirement, you might just have to live here longer than you think!

The plan is in the works although it will not be publicly admitted.

Trust no one. Remember there are they who want to keep the residency requirement in place to keep their home values stable. No one can be trusted while this secret plan is being instituted.

Remember, this is top secret, I shouldn't even be telling you but I care. My pension won't be reduced because I will live here.

Enjoy it while it lasts, especially those who are yelling that we knew we had to live here when we took the job. Times sure change don't they.

Better get ready to stay or move back in if you want your $$$.

Happy New Year.

12/06/2005 04:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They wouldn't be able to change the code without grandfathering in current pensioneers or current employees.

12/06/2005 10:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That CPS website is great. I started playing with it. Going to 26th/cal I pass Manley HS on Sacramento. Decided to look into it. Checked the Prairie State Acheiv. Standards for Manley. For Science in 2005 only 5.3% of the students met or surpassed the standards. 5.3%! The school has 880 students. That 5.3% come out to be 46!! 46 students met or passed the science standards in the whole school!

That's just UNbelievable!

12/06/2005 11:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear 30 year veteran, I think you are just some angry litte man who makes shit like this up so as to stir the pot. In fact, you are probably not even a department member, but if you are please just go away. But not too far because you may have to come back!!! ha ha ha ha ha ha.

12/09/2005 11:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In regards to the Manley post: did you just land on Earth from Mars? what did you expect, a passing score? This is exactly why we should be asking ourselves, are we paying too much for the return on the students of the CPS?

The CPS spends hundreds of millions educating people that don't learn the basics. Maybe its time to divest a little and privatize the schools, take the government completly out of the equation.

12/09/2005 02:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Not_a_Bosses_Kid said...

Hey,Orr H.S. has the same low test score results. But, being a PROGRESSIVE institute of higher learning, offers an "on-site" daycare center so the young women can bring their babies to school with them and bond outside the classroom!I think the YMCA helps run it. At least that's what I hear.

12/09/2005 11:59:00 PM  

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