Howard, Meet Jimmy. Jimmy, This is Howard
- Former President Jimmy Carter, who publicly rebuked President Bush's warrantless eavesdropping program this week during the funeral of Coretta Scott King and at a campaign event, used similar surveillance against suspected spies. [emphasis added - SCC]
So right after Carter used Mrs. King's funeral to rip on Bush's "warrantless eavesdropping" and compare it to what happened to Dr. King in the 1960's (even though it was Jack and Bobby Kennedy doing the illegal wiretapping ::GASP!:: in an effort to dig up dirt on MLK to embarrass and control him), the truth comes out that Carter did the same thing in the case of two men spying for a foreign power!
Keep on talking Jimmy. Keep on talking.
posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
21 Comments:
Jimmy Carter was/is a poor excuse for a President.
Jimmy Carter was an embarrassment as President. 20+% interest rates and the Iran hostage crisis were daily news fodder. I was in high school when Desert One happened. I remember an Iranian cleric on the news. He had a small pen knife and he was using it to dig into the head of the charred remains of a U.S. Airman. That moment caused me to join the military.
We used to have a tradition in this country where ex-Presidents went away and did not comment on the current administration. The thought was that you were a simple citizen selected by other citizens to lead. When your time was done you went back to life and did not undermine the Office of the Presidency. As a Libertarian who has some issues with Pres. Bush I believe Carter and Clinton have disgraced that tradition.
They are attention hounds who seem to love every minute in the camera. Clinton I almost understand; he was the philandering, lying rogue that you couldn't help but want to have a drink with. He reminded me of Errol Flynn. Jimmy Carter should be happy he was not sent into exile. He was a complete failure as President and in other countries he would have been strung up. But the media loves him because he is always willing to violate the unwritten code and bash the President.
Yeah, J.C. tends to look a bit weaker then us gullible Hollywood-brainwashed yahoos are accustomed... but it wasn't his fault the BLOWBACK from the installation of the SHAH in IRAN took 16 years to come home to roost- it sure cost him a second term nonetheless... (opportunist Reagan's puppeteers engineered that October Surprise- the FIRST TIME they cut deals with murderous terrorists to hold the the release of the hostages past the election to manipulate it/us.... what a fine bunch of gents!) Hey- who knows; maybe Jimmy would have gotten worse in a second term... maybe even ALMOST as BAD as these current CROOKS! At least Jimbo wasn't a CROOK! (and he didn't shoot an old man "hunting" QUAYLE either...! ;-) Look- if an EX-President (legitimately elected, by the way) can't tell the current wastrel "Fortunate Son" he's full of shit (in so many words) who the hell CAN? You righties are SO SENSITIVE- you can DISH OUT ATTACKS ALL day long... but you CAN'T TAKE any legitmate criticism whatsoever! You and your "Right-Wing-Nut Noise Machine" will now WHINE for months rather than let a TRUE STATEMENT about your crooks go UN-OBFUSCATED! Doesn't such sheer empty bile get old after a decade or three?
WOW! To 1:10 AM-
Lemme get this straight- You're a LIBERTARIAN who is AGAINST a citizen SPEAKING their mind? Clinton is now okay in your book because he licks BUSH family ASS shamelessly? Because Carter has the BALLS to SPEAK truth to Scoundrel Power he should be EXILED / STRUNG UP ? "Going away"/"not commenting" on moronic/anti-American behavior is NOT a disgrace! It should be REQUIRED behavior in a democracy!
It's Carter's MORAL OBLIGATION EVEN MORE SO than average schmucks like yours or mine- he has a precious platform NONE of US are fortunate enough to possess. Our current situation is getting darker by the week with the current charlatans in control! Carter should be getting "Presidential Medals of Freedom" (unlike Tenet, Bremer and Franks) for CONDUCTING HIMSELF IN A MORAL, ADMIRABLE FASHION, DOING GOOD DEEDS and SPEAKING OUT when he detects BULLSHIT! (mostly because so FEW famous Americans do it!) In terms of LIFETIME ACHIEVEMENT J.C. is BLOWING the DOORS OFF your DIRTY NEO-CON jizzum licking BUSH boys and RAYGUN as well ("Acting- GENIUS!")
I'm sorry the attempted Iran hostage rescue footage hurt you- no decent American enjoyed that. But please- it's been 25+ years! I fault the Carter regime more for NOT getting those people out of Tehran BEFORE things went so far south- but not for trying to at least rescue them! And you may not admit it- but it's now public knowledge that our "beloved" fledgling C.I.A. that so cleverly and deviously flipped Iran's DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED Mossadq government in that 1953 coup if anything has DELAYED "secular" democracy in Iran by 50-plus years! If poor little Jimmy Carter can have ANY influence to discourage scumbag shadow elements in our Miltary-Industrial-Commerce from running riot pulling Bush Junior's puppet strings in the months to come, stopping dirty trick like that- I say "BRING it ON Jimbo- Bring it On!"
Maybe YOU a-r-e the one who's LOST perspective? I KNOW you didn't get any balanced perspective diving into the military after Desert One! Visceral reactions happen- but you need not let them lead you your entire adult life. Libertarians are known for valuing liberty- NOT being dismayed by the exercise of it! THINK rather than ATTACK! It's SO obvious!
M. Seiser runs it!
Isn't the Washington Times that MOONIE CULT rag of the that rightwingnutnutjob the Reverend Sun Myung Moon? He likes to arrange a mass marriages! Don't trust his rag to properly arrange true articles. He's an establishment tool publishing slanted articles- reader beware! Childern DO fear this "Free'per!"
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The Times was founded in 1982 by Reverend Sun Myung Moon, leader of the Family Federation for World Peace and Unification (Unification Church), to be a conservative alternative to the larger and liberal Washington Post. To this day, it is widely perceived as maintaining a right-leaning editorial stance. The Unification Church has spent over $1 billion establishing the paper and subsidizing its ongoing losses.
Rev. Moon's followers regard him and his wife as "the True Parents of humankind" and hail him as the Messiah. Great!!!
Anybody that likes Jimmy Carter and thinks that he has something interesting to say is a loser. I agree with the one post, Carter along with the Clintons need to learn to shut the fuck up and go away. The pro-Carter guys above me probably got molested by circus midgets when they were kids.
Read Carter's biography. He's been an idiot all his life. Smart man. but he's an idiot. His opinion means nothing to me because he has no credibility.
Didn't someone on Carter's staff leak to the press that he was attacked by a killer rabbit in the late seventies? Seriously, no joke.
"doing good deeds" isn't the President's primary job you warm and fuzzy schmuck. His job is to run the country and keep us stong and safe as a nation. Carter should have volunteered at a homeless shelter, not been Commander in Chief.
Its a Hunting accident you goof
He would never be charged
I Thought a dick would know better
Lefty, I won't waste time explaining what a dipshit you are, I'll just say the only important thing: go fuck yourself!
This just in:
It has been reported that the "Hunting trip" was an actual cover up. Today the White house has admitted that the Cheney "Hunting trip" was actually a CIA hit and that the agency had no one who could get close enough to the lawyer without bringing suspicion on them. Cheney volunteered for the job since he was old "friends" with the target. The White house appoligized for not calling everyone listed in the phone book the minute it happened.
Immediately after the hit black helicopters swooped in and wisked Cheney off and took him to Area 51 for debriefing. It was there that the blame would be put on the French-Canadian-Americans of African-American decent who could prove they decended from slaves who were shipwrecked off Nova Scotia around the year 1854. The same African-Americans who when trying to get back to Africa commandeered a ship and sailed back only to find that they ended up in Russia and later became Communists with left ways of thinking. The same ones who's offspring emigrated to the U.S. through Mexico in order to make the government pay for all their needs with social programs geared towards not making anyone self-sufficient and to perpetuate generations of welfare recipients. Paid for by the hard-working middle class and supported by the liberal Democrats who only think about votes and everyone knows that when you pay them to make babies and those babies will pay you back with a vote!
I knew it was a conspiracy! MY President must have been behind it from the beginning! Way to go Lincoln!
Oh and it was a hunting accident nothing more. You left wingers and Dumbmocrats can't find anything else to go after the Republicans for so you jump on this. Every year someone gets shot and possibly killed in hunting accidents. If anything this proves it can happen to anyone. Grow up, if you worried about your own city like you worry about this you wouldn't have the problems you've got. Wake up!
Gee whiz Malcolm, are you really that ignorant or just blind? Go page back a few days. SCC covered this the first day it was out there in the "Overheard in Texas" thread. Get those eyeballs checked you softball
hey leftisithebest. i got a great idea, why don't you go hunting w/ the VP. I'd pay him to shoot you.
and another thing go fuck yourself and the hole you crawled out of.
LOOSER LOOSER LOOSER LOOSER LOOSER LOOSER LOOSER LOOSER LOOSER LOOSER LOOSER........................
Misleading argument: Past presidents and the courts agreed that executive power supercedes FISA
According to the WSJ editorial:
Passed in the wake of the infamous Church hearings on the CIA, FISA is an artifact of post-Vietnam and post-Watergate hostility to executive power. But even as Jimmy Carter signed it for political reasons, his own Attorney General declared that it didn't supercede executive powers under Article I of the Constitution. Every President since has agreed with that view, and no court has contradicted it.
This argument is a red herring. Of course no law passed by Congress would supercede the Constitution, the supreme law of the land, so it stands to reason that the courts and prior presidents would hold this position. The real question, which the Journal ignored, is where the scope of the president's constitutional authority to spy on Americans ends and where Fourth Amendment protections against unreasonable searches -- which Congress passed FISA to help guarantee -- begin. As Media Matters has noted, a January 5 Congressional Research Service (CRS) report found that no court has, as of yet, addressed the legality of the conduct that the Bush administration reportedly is engaging in, and that the Bush administration's legal justification for the program "conflicts with existing law and hinges on weak legal arguments."
Continuing Political Myths. . .
Clinton, Carter also authorized warrantless searches of U.S. citizens
Another tactic conservatives have used to defend the Bush administration has been to claim that it is not unusual for a president to authorize secret surveillance of U.S. citizens without a court order, asserting that Democratic presidents have also done so. For example, on the December 21 edition of Fox News's Special Report, host Brit Hume claimed that former presidents Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton issued executive orders "to perform wiretaps and searches of American citizens without a warrant."
But as the ThinkProgress weblog noted on December 20, executive orders on the topic by Clinton and Carter were merely explaining the rules established by FISA, which do not allow for warrantless searches on "United States persons." Subsequent reports by NBC chief foreign affairs correspondent Andrea Mitchell and The Washington Post also debunked the conservative talking point while noting that the claim was highlighted in the December 21 RNC press release.
From ThinkProgress, which documented how internet gossip Matt Drudge selectively cited from the Clinton and Carter executive orders to falsely suggest they authorized secret surveillance of U.S. citizens without court-obtained warrants:
What Drudge says:
Clinton, February 9, 1995: "The Attorney General is authorized to approve physical searches, without a court order"
What Clinton actually signed:
Section 1. Pursuant to section 302(a)(1) [50 U.S.C. 1822(a)] of the [Foreign Intelligence Surveillance] Act, the Attorney General is authorized to approve physical searches, without a court order, to acquire foreign intelligence information for periods of up to one year, if the Attorney General makes the certifications required by that section.
That section requires the Attorney General to certify is the search will not involve "the premises, information, material, or property of a United States person." That means U.S. citizens or anyone inside of the United States.
The entire controversy about Bush's program is that, for the first time ever, allows warrantless surveillance of U.S. citizens and other people inside of the United States. Clinton's 1995 executive order did not authorize that.
Drudge pulls the same trick with Carter.
What Drudge says:
Jimmy Carter Signed Executive Order on May 23, 1979: "Attorney General is authorized to approve electronic surveillance to acquire foreign intelligence information without a court order."
What Carter's executive order actually says:
1-101. Pursuant to Section 102(a)(1) of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 (50 U.S.C. 1802(a)), the Attorney General is authorized to approve electronic surveillance to acquire foreign intelligence information without a court order, but only if the Attorney General makes the certifications required by that Section.
What the Attorney General has to certify under that section is that the surveillance will not contain "the contents of any communication to which a United States person is a party." So again, no U.S. persons are involved.
Continue to get it wrong please. . .
It makes you look very stupid!
Malcolm, go fuck yourself and your "european american" bullshit. Look at Ireland......and the bloodshed. Look at Greece v. Turkey. Look at Germany and France....England and France. You think it's one big fucking happy family?
Just way white....it's OK to do that....white, black, brown, yellow, red......shove that "european american and african american" shit up your shallow ass.
then go fuck yourself!
And what about Clinton's warrantless searches imposed on (GASP) black people who signed leases for public housing? That their residences were subject to searches at any time by the government or it's agents as a condition of residency? Seems a bit of a violation of the civil rights everyone is complaining about.
THIS JUST IN:
LEFTITHEBRST IS GAY, THATS RIGHT LEFTISTHEBEST IS GAY-BI CURIOUS.
LEFTISTHEBEST WAS SPOTTED AT BIG CHICKS ON SHERIDAN W/ A BIG WIDE SMILE ON HIS FACE AND A SWISHING SOUND AS HE SASHAYED BY.
NOT THAT THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH IT.......
Jimmy Carter is almost as dumb as Richard M. Daley.
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